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We may be shivering, | 0:00:02 | 0:00:03 | |
but there's one bit of Britain where things are very different - | 0:00:03 | 0:00:07 | |
the Cayman Islands. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:08 | |
It's a Caribbean paradise of sun, sea and cocktails, | 0:00:08 | 0:00:13 | |
but there's something else going on - big money. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:18 | |
It's one of the most secretive places on earth | 0:00:18 | 0:00:21 | |
and for one very good reason. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:23 | |
-Cayman is a tax haven. -Correct. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:26 | |
Cayman is a tax haven. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:27 | |
'Or is it that simple? I'm here to get the truth.' | 0:00:27 | 0:00:31 | |
-Are you saying you're not a tax haven? -We're not a tax haven at all. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:35 | |
Is what happens here a scandal or is it just how the world does business, | 0:00:35 | 0:00:40 | |
including many of our household brands? | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
I'm Jacques Peretti | 0:00:44 | 0:00:46 | |
and I want to find out, what does this place mean for all of us? | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
I'm coming to a secret bit of Britain, 4,500 miles away, | 0:01:05 | 0:01:10 | |
and 400 miles south of Florida. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
In Britain, we're obsessed with... | 0:01:13 | 0:01:15 | |
Tax evasion and tax avoidance. This is an issue whose time has come. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:21 | |
But on the Cayman Islands, no-one pays a penny. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
And for the first time, they'll be opening their doors to an outsider. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:31 | |
And while the beaches aren't much like Blackpool | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
and the suburbs are a bit more glitzy than Slough, | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
the Cayman Islands are well and truly British, with one big difference. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:47 | |
-So no-one pays tax here, Hyacinth, including you? -No-one pays taxes. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:53 | |
We're a tax-free haven here, you know. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
Cayman's the same size as Bognor, with the same number of people. | 0:01:56 | 0:02:00 | |
It's a British Overseas Territory, which means they have | 0:02:02 | 0:02:06 | |
their own government and a British civil servant watches over them. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:11 | |
But this Bognor-sized island | 0:02:14 | 0:02:16 | |
has a staggering one and half trillion pounds in the bank. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:20 | |
But for the first time, they're letting cameras in. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:23 | |
After years of being slagged off, | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
they want to show the world they've got nothing to hide. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
'I'm going to use this unique opportunity to confront | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
'the people who make this tax-free island tick...' | 0:02:31 | 0:02:35 | |
Explain to me how the system works. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:37 | |
Yes, but you've got to please turn off the camera. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:39 | |
'..to discover what life is like for ordinary Brits | 0:02:39 | 0:02:41 | |
'on this island of the super-rich...' | 0:02:41 | 0:02:43 | |
There you go - ready meal, no rice, 14.29. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:48 | |
'..and most importantly, to find out what effect its existence | 0:02:48 | 0:02:53 | |
'could have on our lives back home.' | 0:02:53 | 0:02:55 | |
What's going to really happen in Britain | 0:02:55 | 0:02:57 | |
is that you guys are going to have, like, a social unrest, | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
because people there are a lot different from the people here. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
The first thing I need to understand is how this place works. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:11 | |
I'm meeting millionaire businessman Marcus Cumber, | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
whose family connections could help me unlock Cayman's secrets. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
-Hi there, you must be Jacques. -Marcus, nice to meet you. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
-Nice to meet you. -Shall I get in? -Absolutely. Welcome to Cayman. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:25 | |
Well, we're in West Bay, so let's have some fun. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:28 | |
'Marcus's grandfather ran this place when the British government | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
'first turned Cayman into a tax haven in the 1960s.' | 0:03:34 | 0:03:38 | |
So here we are, Jacques, at a school named after my grandfather. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:42 | |
He was obviously very, very honoured. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:44 | |
The foreign affairs said, "You're going to the Cayman Islands." | 0:03:44 | 0:03:48 | |
And, of course, in those days you had the globe | 0:03:48 | 0:03:50 | |
and he looked and he looked and he looked | 0:03:50 | 0:03:52 | |
and literally it was a little pinpoint that said, "UK." | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
'Marcus is going to show me how this little pinpoint was | 0:03:56 | 0:04:00 | |
'transformed into a paradise for the big business and the super wealthy... | 0:04:00 | 0:04:04 | |
'..starting with one of Cayman's most exclusive neighbourhoods.' | 0:04:05 | 0:04:09 | |
This is where I'm hoping to build. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:13 | |
We've got shipping magnates, we've got Krispy Kreme Doughnuts. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:17 | |
The guy who owns that. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:18 | |
You know, some of the most successful lawyers in the world. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:22 | |
'Of course, Marcus has bagged the best plot for himself.' | 0:04:24 | 0:04:28 | |
Six bedrooms, eight bathrooms. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:30 | |
It has a gym, it has a sort of man cave, if you want to call it that, | 0:04:30 | 0:04:34 | |
it has three swimming pools. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:36 | |
'And the best thing about an oceanfront mansion...' | 0:04:36 | 0:04:38 | |
I want to be able to walk around the property here completely naked | 0:04:38 | 0:04:42 | |
and no-one see me, so we've got the best landscapers as well. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
We've got the same landscaper | 0:04:45 | 0:04:46 | |
that I'll show you that did the whole of Camana Bay. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:48 | |
-Can I walk around naked when I'm here? -Absolutely, if you wish to. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
The only people that should see you are people that would be in a boat | 0:04:51 | 0:04:54 | |
that happened to go by. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:55 | |
-Right, well... -You'll have to dive for cover. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:57 | |
Cayman may be beautiful, | 0:05:02 | 0:05:04 | |
but the world's wealthy and some of our biggest businesses, | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
including Tesco, Barclays and BP, are here for another reason... | 0:05:07 | 0:05:12 | |
..its financial system. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:15 | |
If you want to understand how Cayman works | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
and how the whole global economy works, | 0:05:19 | 0:05:22 | |
you need to understand one simple little word - offshore. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:26 | |
It's a British invention | 0:05:32 | 0:05:34 | |
and it turns everything you think you know about money on its head. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:38 | |
Given the nod by a man at the Bank of England in 1958 | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
called George Bolton, offshore is fiendishly clever. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:48 | |
It meant that certain deals made in London would now be viewed | 0:05:50 | 0:05:54 | |
as not taking place in London at all... | 0:05:54 | 0:05:56 | |
..but the first time where business actually happened | 0:05:59 | 0:06:03 | |
and where regulators said it happened could be different. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
So these deals were happening nowhere at all - in thin air... | 0:06:08 | 0:06:13 | |
..an unregulated space we now call offshore. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:19 | |
Offshore changed everything. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:28 | |
It's not a tax dodge, it's at the heart of how the world does business | 0:06:29 | 0:06:34 | |
today and the idea would become the basis of Cayman's entire existence. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:39 | |
So how does offshore work here? Marcus wants to explain it to me. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:45 | |
It is an amazing lifestyle that you have here, no doubt about it, | 0:06:46 | 0:06:51 | |
that you've shown me, | 0:06:51 | 0:06:52 | |
but, you know, to the rest of the world, to the outside world, | 0:06:52 | 0:06:55 | |
the only reason...the perception is, the only reason | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
you can fund it is because Cayman is a tax haven. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:00 | |
Correct. Cayman is a tax haven. I think it's best | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
-if I just pick up a stick and try to show you. -Yeah. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:05 | |
If we say this circle here is Japan and this circle here is America | 0:07:05 | 0:07:11 | |
and you've got a company here that wants to buy 10 billion | 0:07:11 | 0:07:15 | |
-worth of steel over five years... -Right. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:17 | |
..what will happen is, where do you make that transaction? | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
Does it happen here in America or here in Japan? | 0:07:20 | 0:07:22 | |
No, what happens is they come down to somewhere like Cayman, | 0:07:22 | 0:07:26 | |
a neutral tax haven, and they open up a holding company. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:29 | |
So Cayman is providing basically the vehicle for international capitalism | 0:07:29 | 0:07:33 | |
-to work, essentially? -Correct. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:35 | |
But it turns out that invisible business transactions | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
aren't the only weird thing offshore in Cayman. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:45 | |
Marcus has one last thing to show me. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
-Those are, um, those are stingrays. -They are stingrays indeed. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
-Behold my Bond moment. -OK. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:56 | |
Give yourself a big shove but we don't want to land on a stingray. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
-I'll come with you, hang on. -One, two, three, go. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
Whoa! | 0:08:07 | 0:08:09 | |
So they're having a little frenzy right now. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:11 | |
'The stingrays coming for tasty bait remind me of only one thing - | 0:08:13 | 0:08:18 | |
'companies flocking to Cayman.' | 0:08:18 | 0:08:20 | |
I'm going to call this one Sainsbury's, this one Tesco, | 0:08:20 | 0:08:23 | |
that one Facebook, this one Manchester United. He can be Disney. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:28 | |
They've all come to the Cayman Islands. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:31 | |
'All these companies say they're not here to avoid tax | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
'and that they paid their liabilities in the UK. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:38 | |
'So is it a giant loophole in the sun or is it something else? | 0:08:40 | 0:08:45 | |
'What's been created here is extraordinary, | 0:08:46 | 0:08:49 | |
'but it's not the whole story. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:51 | |
'In fact, it's just the beginning.' | 0:08:51 | 0:08:53 | |
Marcus comes from a Cayman dynasty, | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
but there's plenty of ordinary Brits who've moved here too. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
'What does their life here tell us about how an economy like Cayman's | 0:09:06 | 0:09:10 | |
'works for ordinary people?' | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
-Paula. -Hey. -I'm Jacques. -Hi, pleased to meet you. Paul, Jacques. -Paul. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:18 | |
-Hello, Paul. -Come on in. -Come in, Jacques. -Cheers, thank you. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
'I'm meeting Manchester's own, Paula and Paul, to find out.' | 0:09:21 | 0:09:25 | |
Come on, Paul. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:27 | |
-There you go. -Lovely. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:29 | |
-Well, a fry-up in 90 degrees. -Yeah! | 0:09:29 | 0:09:33 | |
Are there lots of Brits out here? | 0:09:34 | 0:09:36 | |
Yeah, well, can you believe we moved here | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
and then the man next door comes out and he's a Manchester United fan | 0:09:39 | 0:09:43 | |
and we're Manchester City? | 0:09:43 | 0:09:45 | |
So we were like, "Really? | 0:09:45 | 0:09:46 | |
"We've come all this way and this is what happens." | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
There is another reason for coming here | 0:09:49 | 0:09:51 | |
-which is you don't pay any tax, do you? -No. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:53 | |
-Was that an attraction to you? -You know, at the time that we came, | 0:09:53 | 0:09:57 | |
yeah, we were paying a lot of taxes, corporation tax, all kinds of taxes. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:01 | |
I worked for British Gas doing payroll, | 0:10:01 | 0:10:05 | |
-Paul had a construction company. -I had a construction company, roofing. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:10 | |
'So has the tax-free pay packet paid off?' | 0:10:10 | 0:10:12 | |
I mean, do you mind me asking... | 0:10:12 | 0:10:13 | |
-No. -..but how much do you earn when you're here? | 0:10:13 | 0:10:15 | |
I would say our average weekly wage between us | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
-is... -1,000. -..about 1,000 CI. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:22 | |
-It's about £800 a week. -800. -About £800 a week. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
'800 quid a week jointly is just over £40,000 a year, | 0:10:27 | 0:10:31 | |
'the same earnings as an average family in Britain. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
'Paula earns it looking after cruise ship passengers, | 0:10:35 | 0:10:39 | |
'working all day on a sun-drenched island and paying no tax on it. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:44 | |
'It sounds like a sweet gig to me, but I'm about to find out. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:50 | |
'Paula's invited me to try it out for myself.' | 0:10:50 | 0:10:53 | |
-Tropicana Tours. -Green and yellow bus. -Green and yellow bus. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:59 | |
-Bus driver John. -John. -John. -John. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
I've lost my lollipop. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:04 | |
-Right, and your schedule. -And my schedule, oh, my God! -Let's go. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:08 | |
You walk round with that sign, | 0:11:08 | 0:11:10 | |
you go to the bathroom with that sign and 21 people will follow you. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:14 | |
-Oh, my. -So just... -I'm looking forward to that. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:18 | |
Two, four, six, seven. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:22 | |
Does a baby count? Stay with me. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:27 | |
-You're in safe hands. -You want to keep shouting, Jacques. -Yeah. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
'Cayman's tourism industry means that on cruise ship days, | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
'10,000 people pour off the boats looking for T-shirts and cocktails. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:42 | |
'This tiny island is rammed, but Cayman's finance industry | 0:11:44 | 0:11:50 | |
'has brought 100,000 businesses here, that's 10 for every tourist. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:55 | |
'I wonder where they all are.' | 0:11:55 | 0:11:58 | |
Five, six, seven... Oh, start again. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
All right, is everyone ready for their tour? | 0:12:01 | 0:12:03 | |
-ALL: -Yes! | 0:12:03 | 0:12:05 | |
I would just like to say a warm welcome to you all. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
It is nice having you with us | 0:12:08 | 0:12:09 | |
today on our little island of paradise which is Grand Cayman. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:14 | |
Also, Cayman is tax-free | 0:12:14 | 0:12:16 | |
and we have over 600 offshore banks on the island today. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:20 | |
Got all your belongings? Good. Enjoy yourselves. Have a great day. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:24 | |
Is that it? Have we done it? | 0:12:26 | 0:12:28 | |
Well, you've got to just make sure everyone's settled. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
It's not the end of your day yet. Why, are you tired? | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
'So that wasn't as easy as I thought. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:38 | |
'Paula works as hard as she did back home and earns the same, but doesn't | 0:12:40 | 0:12:45 | |
'pay a penny of income tax, so surely she's much better off?' | 0:12:45 | 0:12:49 | |
-What do you need to buy? -Just something for tea. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
-Let's have a look. -Cod steak, yeah. -And we're living on the ocean. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:58 | |
-6.79, which is about £4.50. -That is ridiculous. -Yeah. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:04 | |
-We have got to get this. -OK, all right, fishfingers. -11. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:09 | |
-Shall I get... -We've got to get it, Paul eats it. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:14 | |
-It's his favourite. -OK. -Got to get them. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
'That's £8.50 for a pack of fishfingers. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:22 | |
'Why is everything so expensive?' | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
So you don't pay taxes, but you burn through the money at the supermarket. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
Yeah, yeah, cos the prices are inflated. I mean, obviously, | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
cos of the import tax, they've got to import everything, | 0:13:31 | 0:13:33 | |
especially for buying British things. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:35 | |
They're coming in on the planes and boats, but, yeah, | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
you've got to eat, Jacques, so what are you going to do? | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
-I think we'll head on out. -Definitely. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:43 | |
'What I'm learning here | 0:13:43 | 0:13:44 | |
'is that though companies don't pay tax on profits, | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
'duty is loaded on to ordinary people's everyday shopping bill.' | 0:13:47 | 0:13:51 | |
-This is our big shop. -Yeah, oh, one thing, Jacques. -Of course. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:59 | |
-Eight dollars. -Eight dollars for Hello! That's a bargain. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:06 | |
-That's quality gossip, isn't it? -Quality gossip. -Gossip at a price. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
And two weeks late. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:10 | |
I've worked a shift and I'm knackered, | 0:14:12 | 0:14:14 | |
but I've learnt an important thing about this island. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
Paula doesn't get taxed on her income, | 0:14:17 | 0:14:19 | |
but she does pay taxes whenever she buys food. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
So even though her pay packet is the same | 0:14:23 | 0:14:25 | |
as when she worked for British Gas, | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
the only way Paula's got more in her pocket | 0:14:27 | 0:14:29 | |
is by cutting back on her spending. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:31 | |
I'm discovering that in spite of its tax breaks, | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
this island doesn't necessarily work so well for ordinary people. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:41 | |
Does it work for the rich? | 0:14:41 | 0:14:43 | |
To really understand Cayman, I need to find out. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
If I want to become a Cayman resident and pay no tax, | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
one of the ways to do it is to buy a house here, | 0:14:52 | 0:14:54 | |
so I'm going to meet Michael Joseph, | 0:14:54 | 0:14:56 | |
who deals with millions of pounds' worth | 0:14:56 | 0:14:58 | |
of property every year. | 0:14:58 | 0:14:59 | |
-Hi. -Hi, Michael. Nice to meet you. -Absolutely. You too. Welcome aboard. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
-Cheers. Come on down. Thanks. Thank you. -This is Pablo... -Hi, Pablo. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:08 | |
-He's my... Well, I don't know. -He's your boss. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:11 | |
Well, whenever I get on the boat, he has to come with me. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:15 | |
'Michael is Cayman's number one estate agent.' | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
We've got, on Seven Mile Beach, which is at the high, high demand | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
and low supply, a running foot of beachfront there | 0:15:22 | 0:15:27 | |
-is going to go from sort of 100,000-200,000. -Wow! | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
Up here, is probably the second choice | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
as far as demand is concerned. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
'An average four-bed in Cayman - nearly £2 million. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:42 | |
'What's their real attraction - | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
'the golden sand, the spectacular views | 0:15:45 | 0:15:48 | |
'or a bricks-and-mortar passport to a tax-free status?' | 0:15:48 | 0:15:52 | |
Looking at the people who are buying these properties, | 0:15:52 | 0:15:54 | |
you could probably add a nought | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
and actually still afford it, pretty much. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:58 | |
So if they're buying the property and they're becoming a Cayman resident, | 0:15:58 | 0:16:02 | |
then actually the benefits they're getting from that are probably | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
all the financial benefits, you know, the tax benefits, | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
-that's kind of what it's about, do you see what I mean? -Yes. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:10 | |
It does make sense and, again, I don't want to broach | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
too much into the tax implications or advantages. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
-My job here is to sell lifestyles and... -But is that what people... | 0:16:16 | 0:16:22 | |
-You're... -I do get an awful lot of people that come here | 0:16:22 | 0:16:24 | |
and they investigate and I direct them to different attorneys, | 0:16:24 | 0:16:27 | |
whether it's a tax attorney | 0:16:27 | 0:16:28 | |
and I encourage them to speak to their own tax attorney, | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
whether it's stateside or in Europe. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:33 | |
'With all this talk of lawyers, | 0:16:34 | 0:16:36 | |
'Michael seems very keen to reassure me there's nothing shady going on.' | 0:16:36 | 0:16:40 | |
I mean, I'm asking you about the sort of people who are moving here | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
because they want to get the tax benefits and all the tax haven stuff, | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
do you think Cayman gets a bit of a bum rap in a way because...? | 0:16:47 | 0:16:50 | |
Gosh, absolutely, Cayman, you know... | 0:16:50 | 0:16:52 | |
It's the same as when you're watching these films | 0:16:52 | 0:16:54 | |
and it's some sort of terrorist chase in Brazil or something | 0:16:54 | 0:16:58 | |
and then you can almost predict exactly when they're going to say, | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
"Well, we've got to wire the funds to the Caymans." | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
It's like, really, how many times have we heard it? It's just so... | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
It's harder to open up a bank account in the Cayman Islands | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
than it is anywhere else in the world. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:11 | |
Now, admittedly, yes, of course, back in the day, | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
in the '60s and '70s, | 0:17:14 | 0:17:15 | |
there were those terrible stories of wet money in suitcases that | 0:17:15 | 0:17:19 | |
came off Noriega's boats, but again, for the last 15, 20 years, | 0:17:19 | 0:17:24 | |
it's impossible for that stuff to happen any more. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:26 | |
'One way to get Cayman residency | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
'and that tax-free lifestyle is to have an annual income of £94,000 | 0:17:29 | 0:17:35 | |
'and to invest £390,000 on the island, | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
'which could mean buying a house. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
'Back home, 390 grand gets you a semi in Croydon, | 0:17:41 | 0:17:45 | |
'here it gets you Cayman residency.' | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
I love that one, that's really... | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
-Visualise it, visualise it. It will be yours. -OK. A suitcase of cash. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:55 | |
No, that doesn't happen any more. That does not... | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
Seriously, that does not happen any more. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:00 | |
That was back in the days when... | 0:18:00 | 0:18:02 | |
-Well, you've called your dog Pablo after Pablo Escobar. -No, it's not... | 0:18:02 | 0:18:06 | |
There's a little influence, | 0:18:06 | 0:18:07 | |
but that's just the comedy factor, that's all. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
-It's nothing to do with Pablo... -OK. -..the true Pablo Escobar. -No. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
What Michael's shown me is this - | 0:18:15 | 0:18:17 | |
unbelievable homes, jaw-dropping homes, on a James Bond island | 0:18:17 | 0:18:22 | |
where finance is the only game in town. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
So I've discovered a lot from the three people I've met, | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
but to uncover how this place really works and its importance for us | 0:18:30 | 0:18:34 | |
back in Britain, I'm going to have to do some investigating of my own. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:38 | |
You'd think the first step to taking advantage of this place is | 0:18:38 | 0:18:42 | |
to get a bank account. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:43 | |
Cayman bank accounts are famous the world over, | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
so how easy is it to get one? | 0:18:46 | 0:18:48 | |
Michael told me it's harder here than anywhere else in the world, | 0:18:48 | 0:18:53 | |
so let's find out. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:55 | |
Wow! That is amazingly simple, | 0:19:00 | 0:19:04 | |
it's unbelievable how easy it is to open a bank account here. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
Basically, I was just given this piece of paper which says... | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
They've helpfully highlighted, in case I'm a complete idiot, | 0:19:10 | 0:19:14 | |
just the four things that you need. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:16 | |
Bank reference letter from a bank you've been dealing with, | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
an employment letter, | 0:19:19 | 0:19:20 | |
some bank statements from the past three years, | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
photocopy of your driver's licence or a passport | 0:19:22 | 0:19:26 | |
and a recent utility bill and that is it. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
Once you've got those things, | 0:19:29 | 0:19:31 | |
you have yourself a bank account here in the Cayman Islands. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:35 | |
But before you pack your bags, a reality check. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:38 | |
Like a bog-standard bank account back in Britain, this is just a place | 0:19:38 | 0:19:42 | |
to put money and they'll need to check I'm not a money launderer. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:47 | |
To get Cayman's tax-free benefits, you need to be a resident here, but | 0:19:48 | 0:19:52 | |
is being here something a British business needs to worry about? | 0:19:52 | 0:19:56 | |
We know profits registered in Cayman are tax-free, | 0:19:56 | 0:20:00 | |
so how do companies bag that benefit? | 0:20:00 | 0:20:04 | |
I've heard it's as easy to buy a Cayman company online | 0:20:04 | 0:20:06 | |
as it is to buy a DVD. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:08 | |
You can set up the company in Cayman from anywhere in the world. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:15 | |
I need a shareholder and a director | 0:20:15 | 0:20:17 | |
and that could be the same person, so I guess that's me. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
No taxes. That's nice of them. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:24 | |
All I've got to do now is register it. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
That takes up to 24 hours. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:34 | |
24-hour turnaround. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:36 | |
For 487.80. Done. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:41 | |
There will be due diligence checks, so now I could go to bed | 0:20:41 | 0:20:45 | |
and tomorrow be the proud owner of a Cayman registered company. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:49 | |
So do I actually have to have offices here? | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
To find out and to get closer to how Cayman really works, | 0:20:57 | 0:21:01 | |
I'm going to track down some brands we all know back in Britain | 0:21:01 | 0:21:05 | |
that have linked companies here. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:07 | |
I need to find the offices of Manchester United Football Club. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
Do you know where they are? | 0:21:12 | 0:21:13 | |
I would presume the offices for Manchester United club must be | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
in Manchester, England. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:18 | |
Tesco? What about Disney? | 0:21:18 | 0:21:20 | |
-Burger King? -Yes. -Yes. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:22 | |
I haven't seen a Disney office here. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:23 | |
-Have you seen them here? -No, sir. -No? | 0:21:23 | 0:21:27 | |
But is it their offices or is it just a branch of Burger King? | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
It's just a branch of Burger King. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:31 | |
'As always, if you want to know where something is, ask a taxi driver.' | 0:21:31 | 0:21:36 | |
-They're based here. -What, in one of the banks, or what? | 0:21:36 | 0:21:40 | |
Yeah, they're... | 0:21:40 | 0:21:41 | |
Have you heard of any of these companies? Do you know about them? | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
These companies are basically undercover, | 0:21:44 | 0:21:46 | |
-so you won't see them physical. -That seems to be the... All undercover. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:52 | |
-That's how the world is. -That's how the world is. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
Andrew and his mate basically said that the companies here | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
are undercover, so that's what I'm looking for - undercover companies. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:03 | |
Everyone here knows what the deal is. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:04 | |
The only people who don't know what the deal is | 0:22:04 | 0:22:06 | |
is us back in Britain. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:07 | |
When even the taxi drivers can't help, | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
where do you begin to look for an undercover company? | 0:22:10 | 0:22:14 | |
It turns out that just at the end of the high street | 0:22:14 | 0:22:17 | |
is Cayman's most notorious building - | 0:22:17 | 0:22:19 | |
Ugland House. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
President Obama picked on this place as the symbol of everything | 0:22:22 | 0:22:25 | |
that's wrong with the tax haven system. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:28 | |
You've got a building in the Cayman Islands that supposedly | 0:22:28 | 0:22:31 | |
houses 12,000 corporations. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:33 | |
That's either the biggest building or the biggest tax scam on record. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:37 | |
In fact, Obama got it wrong - there are nearly 20,000 companies in there. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:42 | |
'When the island struggles to fit 10,000 tourists, | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
'how on earth does a single building hold almost 20,000 companies? | 0:22:50 | 0:22:55 | |
'I'm going to find out.' | 0:22:55 | 0:22:57 | |
-Hi, there. -Morning. -Hello. | 0:22:57 | 0:22:59 | |
-I wondered if I could come in? -No, sir. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:03 | |
I'm sorry, but this is private property | 0:23:03 | 0:23:05 | |
and there's no filming, it's not allowed, I'm sorry. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:07 | |
Oh, OK, because... Why is that? Who owns the building? Do you know? | 0:23:07 | 0:23:11 | |
I mean, there are nearly 20,000 companies in here, aren't there? | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
-Is that right? -Yes. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:16 | |
And who should I speak to? Is there anyone I can speak to here? | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
Can you please turn off the camera, sir? | 0:23:19 | 0:23:21 | |
So it's pretty clear that the polite | 0:23:22 | 0:23:24 | |
but very firm security guard is not letting me in. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
There are nearly 20,000... | 0:23:27 | 0:23:29 | |
20,000 companies registered in that one building | 0:23:29 | 0:23:33 | |
and I can tell you looking through the window, I saw a lot of desks | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
but there wasn't a single person sitting at any of them. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:40 | |
Of course, there are people working in Ugland House, | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
lawyers looking after all those companies | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
and I'm going to meet someone to get answers on how one building | 0:23:48 | 0:23:52 | |
can become a multi-million pound Tardis. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
They almost never speak to the media, but someone from the very heart | 0:23:55 | 0:23:59 | |
of Cayman's finance has agreed to meet me. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:01 | |
'Jude Scott used to be CEO of the law firm in Ugland House.' | 0:24:05 | 0:24:09 | |
Hello, Jacques. Welcome. Come right in. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:11 | |
'Now he speaks for the whole of Cayman's finance industry.' | 0:24:11 | 0:24:15 | |
All these British brands with registered companies | 0:24:15 | 0:24:17 | |
here in Cayman, what are they doing here? | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
You know, it would depend on the individual company, | 0:24:20 | 0:24:22 | |
but, for example, | 0:24:22 | 0:24:23 | |
it can be circumstances where they're looking to do expansion... | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
-So you think they're... -..and they're looking to raise funds. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
They can also be companies that are | 0:24:29 | 0:24:31 | |
looking to expand their investment opportunities. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:33 | |
Are you really telling me with a straight face that | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
it isn't anything other than tax avoidance? | 0:24:36 | 0:24:38 | |
What I'm saying to you is it very much depends on particular | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
organisations as to the reasons why they're using the Cayman Islands. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:47 | |
Cayman has this reputation as being this place of massive tax avoidance | 0:24:47 | 0:24:54 | |
and President Obama actually pinpointed Cayman specifically. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:59 | |
Well, you know, it's fascinating, there are actually buildings | 0:24:59 | 0:25:03 | |
in the US, in Delaware, that house 110,000. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:07 | |
Delaware was a competitor, you know, | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
there are lots of other tax havens across the globe, | 0:25:09 | 0:25:11 | |
not just the Cayman Islands and so do you think, in a way, | 0:25:11 | 0:25:15 | |
a lot of these comments is because they are playing politics, | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
do you think? | 0:25:18 | 0:25:19 | |
I think quite often they're politically-motivated comments. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:23 | |
'Cayman is singled out by critics, | 0:25:23 | 0:25:26 | |
'but the truth is that it's competing with tax havens across the world. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:30 | |
'They hope a cleaner reputation will give them an edge over their rivals.' | 0:25:32 | 0:25:36 | |
Say I was a British viewer and I was watching this show | 0:25:36 | 0:25:38 | |
and I just felt really furious with the way these companies operate. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:42 | |
Many years ago, the question was, you know, | 0:25:42 | 0:25:46 | |
"Is there tax evasion taking place with a particular organisation?" | 0:25:46 | 0:25:50 | |
Tax evasion being black and white, it's either legal or not legal. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:54 | |
That discussion has now extended to, "Well, it may not be illegal, | 0:25:54 | 0:25:59 | |
"but is it unpatriotic?" | 0:25:59 | 0:26:01 | |
And that's where it becomes a very, very difficult question. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:05 | |
Well, as you could see, Jude is a pretty smooth defender | 0:26:08 | 0:26:11 | |
of his industry and of what goes on in this island. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:14 | |
He says that they're just sticking to the laws, | 0:26:14 | 0:26:16 | |
so maybe in order to get some answers, | 0:26:16 | 0:26:19 | |
I need to speak to the people who actually do make the laws. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:22 | |
The thing about Cayman is that it's got its own government and premier, | 0:26:27 | 0:26:32 | |
but it's also got a governor who's a British civil servant, | 0:26:32 | 0:26:36 | |
so who really calls the shots here? | 0:26:36 | 0:26:38 | |
Time for some phone bashing. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:43 | |
I'll start by trying to track down Cayman's premier, | 0:26:43 | 0:26:46 | |
a guy called Alden McLaughlin. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:48 | |
All right, that's brilliant, thanks. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:51 | |
So I've just found out that I've got a meeting | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
with the most important person on the island, the premier. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:57 | |
'But before I meet the big man, let me give you the lowdown. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:05 | |
'Cayman isn't a one-off. It's part of a global web of tax havens. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:11 | |
'The system here is clever, not criminal. It's all legal. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:16 | |
'At the last count in 2013, | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
'an NGO study found that 98 out of the top 100 firms | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
'on the UK stock exchange had companies in tax havens, | 0:27:22 | 0:27:26 | |
'though many of the companies we contacted told us | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
'they aren't using Cayman to avoid tax liabilities back home.' | 0:27:29 | 0:27:33 | |
Wow, that looks good. What are you cooking? | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
-Local lobster tails and vegetables. -Wow, can I have some in a minute? | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
You must! | 0:27:39 | 0:27:40 | |
What we think of one firm is actually made | 0:27:43 | 0:27:45 | |
up of lots and lots of different companies. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
Tesco told us it's had four Cayman subsidiaries. One, two, three, four. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:54 | |
National Grid told us it's had six. One, two, three, four, five, six. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:59 | |
BP has had eight. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:03 | |
Barclays has said they've had more than 100. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:08 | |
They've all told us it's not for tax advantage. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:18 | |
At the last count, those top 100 businesses on the UK stock exchange | 0:28:18 | 0:28:23 | |
between them had a whopping 8,000 tax haven registered companies. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:29 | |
Now, businesses may have registered companies in Cayman | 0:28:29 | 0:28:32 | |
for all sorts of reasons, | 0:28:32 | 0:28:34 | |
but some have pulled off some breathtaking creative accounting. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:38 | |
Take Facebook. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:41 | |
Facebook opened two companies in Dublin, Facebook Ireland Limited | 0:28:41 | 0:28:45 | |
and Facebook Ireland Holdings Limited. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:48 | |
Facebook Ireland Limited made £1.4 billion. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:52 | |
Thank you. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:00 | |
But then they got charged £1.4 billion, which would have been | 0:29:00 | 0:29:04 | |
unlucky if the company charging them hadn't also been owned by Facebook - | 0:29:04 | 0:29:09 | |
Facebook Holdings Limited. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:11 | |
After paying that, this company made no profit | 0:29:13 | 0:29:17 | |
and this company made a profit of £1.4 billion. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:21 | |
And this one's shareholders are other Facebook companies, | 0:29:21 | 0:29:25 | |
including one in the Cayman Islands. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:28 | |
But guess where the money went? | 0:29:28 | 0:29:30 | |
It went to tax-free...Cayman. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:34 | |
Mmm! That's good. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:39 | |
Facebook says the company | 0:29:44 | 0:29:46 | |
complies with all relevant corporate regulations. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:49 | |
Strategies like this are perfectly legal, | 0:29:49 | 0:29:52 | |
but because they're so shameless, they're also hush-hush. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:55 | |
In fact, Cayman's even got a law that means | 0:29:56 | 0:29:59 | |
I could be arrested for asking certain questions about business. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:03 | |
Just how serious are these laws? | 0:30:03 | 0:30:05 | |
I'm going to find out. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:07 | |
We're a financial centre, | 0:30:09 | 0:30:10 | |
so data protection and security | 0:30:10 | 0:30:12 | |
of people's private information is very, very high over here. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:16 | |
-Right, yeah. -So it's not something they welcome, | 0:30:16 | 0:30:18 | |
people being intrusive with their banking affairs. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:20 | |
-Where are you from? You don't sound like you're from here. -No, I'm from London. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:23 | |
So I've been here four years now. Love it. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:25 | |
Any retired cops in the UK, if you want to come to a beautiful island | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
on a tax-free salary, then come to Cayman. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:31 | |
So, a building with 20,000 companies, | 0:30:33 | 0:30:36 | |
a business that charges itself £1 billion, | 0:30:36 | 0:30:41 | |
and a place where you can't even ask about any of it. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:44 | |
But I keep being told that what happens on Cayman is above board. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:48 | |
I want to get to the bottom of it, | 0:30:49 | 0:30:51 | |
and I've been told there's a British journalist here | 0:30:51 | 0:30:54 | |
who used to work on the tabloids. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:56 | |
Surely if anyone knows, Paul will. | 0:30:56 | 0:30:59 | |
He's invited me on to his show. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:02 | |
I'm not too sure what to expect. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:04 | |
-Nice to meet you, Paul. -You, too. -And you are? -Matt. -Matt, nice to meet you. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:07 | |
Can I come and sit with you? | 0:31:07 | 0:31:09 | |
Turns out these days, this former News Of The World reporter | 0:31:09 | 0:31:13 | |
is more Gary Lineker than Jeremy Paxman. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
On The Premier League Show tonight, we pick the best goal of the season. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:21 | |
Plus we have a real life | 0:31:21 | 0:31:23 | |
proper, professional, serious television journalist. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:27 | |
-So, are you an Arsenal fan? -Mm. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:29 | |
-You work at the BBC? -Indeed. -And I've googled you - | 0:31:29 | 0:31:32 | |
-you do a bit of work on the Guardian. -Mm. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:34 | |
-Do you have any friends? -HE LAUGHS | 0:31:34 | 0:31:36 | |
Well, I hope so. I've got a few friends. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:38 | |
Why? What's wrong with the BBC? HE LAUGHS | 0:31:38 | 0:31:40 | |
Is the Guardian still going? | 0:31:40 | 0:31:42 | |
It is. Is the News Of The World still going, Paul?! | 0:31:42 | 0:31:44 | |
-Don't even go there. -THEY LAUGH | 0:31:44 | 0:31:46 | |
-You think that this was accidental? -It was a lucky toe-poke. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:53 | |
Lucky toe-poke. Now is the time to turn it over, | 0:31:53 | 0:31:56 | |
create the Jack Wilshere goal. Off you go. | 0:31:56 | 0:31:58 | |
So the ball's coming through, here we go. And look at this... | 0:31:58 | 0:32:01 | |
Ohhh, it didn't go in! | 0:32:01 | 0:32:03 | |
Enough of that. He's off. Thanks very much, stay tuned. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:05 | |
Next week, we're going to have a little bit more - | 0:32:05 | 0:32:08 | |
I'm sure we'll find something to talk about without him. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:10 | |
Now the cameras have stopped rolling, | 0:32:10 | 0:32:13 | |
I get to ask MY questions. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:15 | |
What do you boys do when you don't do this? | 0:32:15 | 0:32:17 | |
You're a journalist, Paul! I thought you'd be, like, | 0:32:17 | 0:32:20 | |
investigating all the banks and all that business. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:22 | |
-Do you not do that? -There's nothing to investigate. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:24 | |
-Cayman's clean as a whistle. -Is that right? -Yeah. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:28 | |
Thankfully I haven't got the kind of money to know | 0:32:28 | 0:32:33 | |
much about that, or what's going on. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:35 | |
I thought that Paul was going to be an investigative journalist | 0:32:35 | 0:32:38 | |
and that he was here exposing or investigating | 0:32:38 | 0:32:42 | |
what's going on at Cayman, but it turns out | 0:32:42 | 0:32:45 | |
that he plays Subbuteo on a round table. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:49 | |
Why isn't Paul chasing the story? | 0:32:50 | 0:32:52 | |
-Cheers, guys. -Cheers. -Slainte. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:54 | |
-This is my home, and it's tiny. -Yeah. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:57 | |
You know, you guys have experienced just walking around bars, | 0:32:57 | 0:33:00 | |
just going to the supermarkets, and everybody knows everybody. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:04 | |
So what do I want to do? Short-term gain? | 0:33:04 | 0:33:06 | |
Sorry, short-term gain, long-term loss? | 0:33:06 | 0:33:08 | |
Yeah, bang, look at me - I've exposed this, I've exposed that. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:11 | |
Bang, finished. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:12 | |
And I've seen it and done it, and if you like, I've retired. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:16 | |
I've retired to the Caribbean, | 0:33:16 | 0:33:18 | |
we're on the telly, talking about football. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:20 | |
It's loopholes, isn't it? You know, that's what people are doing here. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:23 | |
They're exploiting loopholes that are perfectly legal. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:26 | |
-There's a difference between tax avoidance and tax... -Evasion. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
Evasion. There's a huge difference. I mean, I'll take you | 0:33:29 | 0:33:32 | |
to a pillar box over there, and it's a postbox in a wall, | 0:33:32 | 0:33:34 | |
and that's Manchester United. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:36 | |
That's Manchester United. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:38 | |
I'll take you to another postbox in a wall, | 0:33:38 | 0:33:40 | |
and that's Facebook. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:42 | |
You know, but these guys | 0:33:42 | 0:33:44 | |
are not doing anything illegal. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:46 | |
You know, they're just using the system. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:49 | |
Paul's been pretty clear. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:51 | |
Companies here work within the law. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:53 | |
So now I need to go meet the man responsible for the law - | 0:33:56 | 0:34:00 | |
Cayman's premier. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:02 | |
How could he justify the way British businesses use his island? | 0:34:02 | 0:34:06 | |
Cayman has a reputation, rightly or wrongly, | 0:34:08 | 0:34:11 | |
around the world for being very secretive, | 0:34:11 | 0:34:13 | |
for never letting people in, you know, finding out. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
But actually, I'm here. You've let me in. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:18 | |
So I'm wondering, why have you let me in to interview you? | 0:34:18 | 0:34:21 | |
Why have you opened your doors to me? | 0:34:21 | 0:34:23 | |
Well, I'm hoping to help dispel this... | 0:34:23 | 0:34:26 | |
this perception that somehow we have secrets to hide in Cayman. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:31 | |
If there are, I don't know anything about them. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:33 | |
We have tax exchange information agreements | 0:34:33 | 0:34:36 | |
with more than 80 countries in the world. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:38 | |
If you want to hide your tax, Cayman's not the place to come to. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:41 | |
It has been estimated that legal tax avoidance | 0:34:41 | 0:34:44 | |
keeps £20 billion out of the UK Treasury every year. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:49 | |
That's exactly the same amount being cut by government departments | 0:34:49 | 0:34:53 | |
delivering services to us in the next four years. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:57 | |
What would you say to British viewers whose public services | 0:34:57 | 0:35:00 | |
are being denigrated as a result | 0:35:00 | 0:35:02 | |
of companies putting their profits through Cayman? | 0:35:02 | 0:35:06 | |
Well, again, I think most of that is a misconception. But... | 0:35:06 | 0:35:10 | |
Well, where's the misconception | 0:35:10 | 0:35:12 | |
if literally they do not pay taxes in Britain | 0:35:12 | 0:35:16 | |
because they have routed their profits | 0:35:16 | 0:35:18 | |
through companies that are registered here? | 0:35:18 | 0:35:21 | |
The misconception is that whatever is due | 0:35:21 | 0:35:24 | |
in terms of taxes to the United Kingdom or any other country | 0:35:24 | 0:35:28 | |
is payable in those countries, | 0:35:28 | 0:35:30 | |
and they won't be allowed to | 0:35:30 | 0:35:33 | |
stash away ill-gotten gains here. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:37 | |
-Are you saying you're not a tax haven? -We're not a tax haven at all. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:42 | |
-Not at all. -Say the EU said, "Right, we need to shut this place down." | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
Who would then make the call? You, or would it be the UK government? | 0:35:45 | 0:35:49 | |
Ultimately the UK can, because they have the overriding responsibility. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:53 | |
Obviously the UK can, and have in the past, put pressure on us | 0:35:53 | 0:35:57 | |
to do various things. | 0:35:57 | 0:36:00 | |
So there is always a certain tension there. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:03 | |
Because in some respects, obviously, | 0:36:03 | 0:36:06 | |
the Cayman Islands is in competition with the City of London. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:10 | |
Interviewing the premier was basically experiencing | 0:36:10 | 0:36:13 | |
that pass the parcel of responsibility thing | 0:36:13 | 0:36:15 | |
that you get here. "Not really my problem, you know?" | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
Now we're getting to it. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:22 | |
The premier has made it clear it's the UK government, not him, | 0:36:22 | 0:36:25 | |
that has the final say on what happens on Cayman. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:28 | |
And if we want the profits and the tax revenue | 0:36:28 | 0:36:31 | |
that come through here to come to Britain instead | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
and pay for our teachers and nurses, | 0:36:34 | 0:36:37 | |
we need to deal with it. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:39 | |
So let's rewind and find out | 0:36:41 | 0:36:43 | |
how the whole thing happened. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:45 | |
It was Britain that turned Cayman into a tax haven in the first place. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:50 | |
Why on earth did they think it was a good idea? | 0:36:50 | 0:36:53 | |
There's a story told here about how in a shipwreck 200 years ago, | 0:36:55 | 0:36:59 | |
the people of Cayman saved a member of the royal family from drowning. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:02 | |
As a reward, the King said that Cayman would never be taxed. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:06 | |
It's a great story, but it's not true. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:09 | |
Britain did make Cayman a tax-free island - | 0:37:09 | 0:37:12 | |
not out of gratitude, but because they had a plan. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:15 | |
With the end of empire, British colonies faced a choice. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:21 | |
Many, like Jamaica, chose independence. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:25 | |
But Cayman opted to become a British dependency, | 0:37:25 | 0:37:28 | |
and our government had a new role for it. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:31 | |
Laws passed in the '60s, | 0:37:32 | 0:37:34 | |
when Marcus' grandfather was in charge, | 0:37:34 | 0:37:36 | |
made Cayman a fully-fledged tax haven | 0:37:36 | 0:37:39 | |
under British jurisdiction. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:41 | |
Countries like Switzerland had been doing this for years, | 0:37:41 | 0:37:45 | |
but now Britain was muscling in, and the hope was that our economy | 0:37:45 | 0:37:48 | |
would benefit from all this money sloshing through Cayman. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
But it didn't. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:55 | |
And incredibly, neither did Cayman. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:58 | |
Because that £1.5 trillion banked here today | 0:37:58 | 0:38:02 | |
doesn't belong to the Cayman government. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:05 | |
It belongs to the corporations, the banks and the hedge funds | 0:38:05 | 0:38:08 | |
that use this place. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:10 | |
If shared out, | 0:38:10 | 0:38:12 | |
every person who lives here would have millions of pounds each. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:16 | |
But the reality is very different. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
At the far end of the island is a town called Hell. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:24 | |
It's named after this weird, spiky rock formation, | 0:38:24 | 0:38:27 | |
and it's become a tourist attraction. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:29 | |
But the bit of Hell that the tourists don't see is just over there. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:33 | |
It's the poor side of Cayman. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:39 | |
I want to find out what life is like there. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:42 | |
Because Cayman is an island of great inequality, | 0:38:43 | 0:38:47 | |
something many are worried about back in Britain. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:50 | |
Emily is a 67-year-old retired civil servant. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:56 | |
She worked hard for 40 years to provide for her family. | 0:38:56 | 0:39:00 | |
Emily, I'm Jacques. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:05 | |
'Her daughter and three grandchildren live with her. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:08 | |
'But they're about to become homeless.' | 0:39:08 | 0:39:10 | |
-May I come in? -Yes, sir. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:12 | |
Emily's pension no longer covers her mortgage, | 0:39:12 | 0:39:15 | |
so they're all being evicted. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:17 | |
Following a hurricane, the house is barely habitable, | 0:39:17 | 0:39:21 | |
but they have nowhere else to go. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:24 | |
Been from high... | 0:39:24 | 0:39:25 | |
Oh, my goodness, yeah. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:27 | |
So the ceiling must have collapsed. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:29 | |
-Did the ceiling collapse here? -Yes, sir. -Right. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
'It's so damp you can hardly breathe.' | 0:39:32 | 0:39:35 | |
So that's pretty bad mould, isn't it, there? | 0:39:35 | 0:39:37 | |
Yes, and every time you clean it, it comes right back. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:40 | |
Yeah, of course. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:41 | |
-And the ceiling looks like it's kind of bowing as well. -Yes. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:45 | |
-So is the roof... -The roof is leaking. -The roof is leaking, yeah. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:49 | |
And for this, her mortgage repayments | 0:39:49 | 0:39:52 | |
are £1,500 a month - | 0:39:52 | 0:39:55 | |
more than twice what the average British family pays. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:59 | |
I mean, are there no social services here to look after...? | 0:39:59 | 0:40:02 | |
-Yeah, but they... -I mean, can they not rehouse? | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
Surely, you've got two kids with asthma, | 0:40:05 | 0:40:07 | |
you've got mould in this house like this... | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
They don't give a damn. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:12 | |
The prices for everyday things - for food, for transport and so on - | 0:40:12 | 0:40:15 | |
-are high here, aren't they? -Yes, sir. -Yes. | 0:40:15 | 0:40:17 | |
And that's how the government raises its money, | 0:40:17 | 0:40:19 | |
by having those taxes high. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:21 | |
But they don't make the big companies pay tax. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:25 | |
So is it fair, do you think? Is it a good system, | 0:40:25 | 0:40:28 | |
where they're raising the taxes by keeping | 0:40:28 | 0:40:31 | |
the prices of food and so on high? | 0:40:31 | 0:40:33 | |
-Does that work? -No. -No, it doesn't. No. -It doesn't work? | 0:40:33 | 0:40:36 | |
Not for a poorer class of people, it doesn't work. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:39 | |
And Cayman is the fifth richest country in all the world, | 0:40:39 | 0:40:44 | |
and you're going to tell me | 0:40:44 | 0:40:46 | |
that they're so poor that they can't help? | 0:40:46 | 0:40:48 | |
At least I've got a little bed that I can sleep in, right? | 0:40:48 | 0:40:51 | |
I know, Emily. I know. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:53 | |
-This island has £1.5 trillion coming through it. -Right. -Yes. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:58 | |
And you've got damp on your walls and mould on your walls. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:02 | |
Are people angry here? You know, do they have a voice? | 0:41:02 | 0:41:06 | |
-Is there any... -No. -No, we don't. -We don't have a voice. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
And then they tell you, "Oh, Cayman, it doesn't want to work." | 0:41:09 | 0:41:12 | |
What could they do? | 0:41:12 | 0:41:13 | |
What could the government do to make your life better? | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
Help you better, sir. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:18 | |
The life that Emily and her daughter are living here in this house | 0:41:27 | 0:41:31 | |
is the life that any family living in poverty in Britain is living. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:34 | |
The difference being that in Britain, we have a welfare state. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:37 | |
We have a safety net. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:39 | |
They don't have one here - they have charity. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:41 | |
I said to Emily, | 0:41:41 | 0:41:43 | |
"What could the government do to sort out this situation?" | 0:41:43 | 0:41:46 | |
She said, as a joke, "They could give us £1 million." | 0:41:46 | 0:41:49 | |
Well, guess what? They actually could give them £1 million. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:52 | |
They could give them £27 million each, | 0:41:52 | 0:41:55 | |
every person on this island, because that's what this island is worth. | 0:41:55 | 0:41:59 | |
£1.5 trillion. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:01 | |
But actually, guess what? They can't give that money to Emily, | 0:42:01 | 0:42:04 | |
because the money is sealed off. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:07 | |
It's in the financial sector. | 0:42:07 | 0:42:09 | |
It belongs to the banks and the corporations. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:11 | |
The government don't have access to it. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:13 | |
How is this allowed to happen? | 0:42:15 | 0:42:18 | |
It's not as though all this money that comes to this island | 0:42:18 | 0:42:21 | |
benefits your island. You know, | 0:42:21 | 0:42:23 | |
I met a woman who basically is having her house repossessed by a bank, | 0:42:23 | 0:42:27 | |
and these banks are helping the companies that come here get richer. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:32 | |
I mean, don't you feel ashamed about that? | 0:42:32 | 0:42:34 | |
This is a citizen of your country. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:36 | |
Well... | 0:42:37 | 0:42:38 | |
I'm not sure you can point to any country in the world | 0:42:40 | 0:42:44 | |
which has a system which prevents | 0:42:44 | 0:42:48 | |
houses from being repossessed | 0:42:48 | 0:42:50 | |
if the mortgage isn't being paid. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:53 | |
That's a commercial reality. | 0:42:55 | 0:42:58 | |
Not everyone is able to pull themselves up. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:00 | |
You know, that's why we have a safety net in Britain, | 0:43:00 | 0:43:02 | |
-we have a welfare state. -But everything comes at a price. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:05 | |
So if you want a welfare state, you're going to have to pay for it. | 0:43:05 | 0:43:09 | |
The Cayman Islands government doesn't have to impose | 0:43:09 | 0:43:13 | |
such a huge tax burden | 0:43:13 | 0:43:15 | |
because of all of these other services | 0:43:15 | 0:43:17 | |
that are provided by charitable organisations. | 0:43:17 | 0:43:20 | |
Cayman doesn't have any corporation tax, | 0:43:21 | 0:43:24 | |
and relies on charities to provide services. | 0:43:24 | 0:43:27 | |
Is this relevant to Britain? | 0:43:27 | 0:43:30 | |
Gordon Brown sliced 5% off our corporation tax, | 0:43:30 | 0:43:33 | |
and by the end of this Parliament, | 0:43:33 | 0:43:35 | |
George Osborne will have cut it by a further 10%. | 0:43:35 | 0:43:39 | |
Whatever you think about the benefits this could bring, | 0:43:39 | 0:43:42 | |
it's also the biggest reduction in the funding of our services | 0:43:42 | 0:43:45 | |
through taxes on business in British history. | 0:43:45 | 0:43:49 | |
And it's charities that may end up plugging the gap, | 0:43:49 | 0:43:52 | |
just as they do on Cayman. | 0:43:52 | 0:43:54 | |
So what could the Cayman model mean for us in Britain? | 0:43:59 | 0:44:02 | |
Washington, DC analyst Matt Gardner says our government | 0:44:04 | 0:44:07 | |
and all of us as consumers need to think carefully | 0:44:07 | 0:44:11 | |
before heading down this road. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:13 | |
So I mean, it's shocking where we are, just here, | 0:44:15 | 0:44:17 | |
because what you have is a law firm, you have banks | 0:44:17 | 0:44:20 | |
and you've got government, | 0:44:20 | 0:44:21 | |
and actually where we're standing here is poverty-stricken. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:24 | |
And that sounds as clear a signal as you could want | 0:44:24 | 0:44:28 | |
that the economic model the Caymans are pursuing here | 0:44:28 | 0:44:32 | |
is an economic model that isn't having | 0:44:32 | 0:44:34 | |
any positive impact on its citizens. | 0:44:34 | 0:44:36 | |
The heart of our social contract is tax revenues, | 0:44:38 | 0:44:41 | |
is having a tax base that is enough to pay for the services | 0:44:41 | 0:44:45 | |
we all need, the things we can't provide for ourselves. | 0:44:45 | 0:44:48 | |
That's education, that's health care, | 0:44:48 | 0:44:50 | |
that's a transportation system. | 0:44:50 | 0:44:52 | |
And when you undermine the tax system in this way, | 0:44:52 | 0:44:56 | |
that pretty much makes it impossible, | 0:44:56 | 0:44:59 | |
in the long run, to provide these services. | 0:44:59 | 0:45:02 | |
So we have a clear choice as consumers. | 0:45:02 | 0:45:04 | |
We have a choice between a cheaper package | 0:45:04 | 0:45:06 | |
or a school or a hospital that functions better, and actually, | 0:45:06 | 0:45:09 | |
the two are directly connected, because it is about tax. | 0:45:09 | 0:45:12 | |
It's very easy for us as individuals, as consumers, | 0:45:12 | 0:45:15 | |
to focus narrowly on the little benefit we get | 0:45:15 | 0:45:18 | |
from buying cheap packages from Amazon right now. | 0:45:18 | 0:45:22 | |
But we have no way of evaluating or foreseeing the long-term impact | 0:45:22 | 0:45:26 | |
it's going to have on services, | 0:45:26 | 0:45:29 | |
on ourselves and our own tax load, | 0:45:29 | 0:45:32 | |
and I think that's the way these companies like it. | 0:45:32 | 0:45:34 | |
So the lesson that countries like Britain | 0:45:34 | 0:45:37 | |
can learn from a place like Cayman, | 0:45:37 | 0:45:40 | |
where they have an economic system in place, | 0:45:40 | 0:45:43 | |
you know - companies with very low tax, | 0:45:43 | 0:45:46 | |
a disappearing, diminishing safety net for the poor | 0:45:46 | 0:45:50 | |
and for the squeezed middle. That is the model, | 0:45:50 | 0:45:53 | |
and do you think that's a model that Britain should be pursuing? | 0:45:53 | 0:45:56 | |
I don't think it's a model anyone can pursue. | 0:45:56 | 0:45:59 | |
You know, you can't compete with zero. If the UK... | 0:45:59 | 0:46:03 | |
If developed democracies decide | 0:46:03 | 0:46:05 | |
that this is the economic model they want to pursue, | 0:46:05 | 0:46:08 | |
I think they're going to be disappointed pretty fast. | 0:46:08 | 0:46:11 | |
On Cayman, as in Britain, the super-rich | 0:46:13 | 0:46:16 | |
and the poor live on one small island. | 0:46:16 | 0:46:19 | |
What Emily spends on her monthly mortgage - | 0:46:21 | 0:46:23 | |
or would, if she had the money - some people here spend on a haircut. | 0:46:23 | 0:46:27 | |
And I'm about to meet the man who flies in from Los Angeles to do them. | 0:46:27 | 0:46:31 | |
-One thing about here, people are very easy going. -Yeah, right. | 0:46:33 | 0:46:36 | |
Very easy going. There's, like, an energy here. | 0:46:36 | 0:46:38 | |
As soon as people land, they're like, "Oh, relax." | 0:46:38 | 0:46:40 | |
I think it's the not wearing underwear, maybe. I don't know. | 0:46:40 | 0:46:43 | |
-HE LAUGHS -Sorry! -Speak for yourself! | 0:46:43 | 0:46:45 | |
-I got here, like, yesterday. -Yeah. | 0:46:48 | 0:46:50 | |
I was in Los Angeles, actually in wine country, | 0:46:50 | 0:46:53 | |
did this big wedding, it was great. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:54 | |
And I had a very exclusive clientele there, she's an actress. | 0:46:54 | 0:46:57 | |
And then I thought, OK, let's get that done, and got on the plane, | 0:46:57 | 0:47:01 | |
and like I do every three to four weeks, | 0:47:01 | 0:47:03 | |
I'm here to cater to 30 to 40 women | 0:47:03 | 0:47:05 | |
every four to five weeks. | 0:47:05 | 0:47:07 | |
What's beautiful about the Cayman Islands is you've got a mix | 0:47:07 | 0:47:10 | |
of all these Europeans that live here very periodically, | 0:47:10 | 0:47:14 | |
or they live here part-time. And then I follow them. | 0:47:14 | 0:47:17 | |
They tell me, "Look, Pasquale, I need you in St Tropez, Paris," | 0:47:17 | 0:47:20 | |
and then we'll go there. | 0:47:20 | 0:47:21 | |
I was a Miss Cayman Islands, right? And when I competed, | 0:47:21 | 0:47:24 | |
he flew down to do my hair backstage for the show. | 0:47:24 | 0:47:28 | |
And ever since then, I mean... | 0:47:28 | 0:47:30 | |
Would you say, if you could sum up what Cayman is in one word, | 0:47:30 | 0:47:33 | |
what would it be? What's the first word that comes to mind? | 0:47:33 | 0:47:37 | |
First thing comes to mind with the Cayman Islands is... | 0:47:37 | 0:47:39 | |
You know, I always say, as beautiful as the ocean as the people you meet. | 0:47:39 | 0:47:43 | |
Yeah. That's not one word. | 0:47:43 | 0:47:45 | |
-Not one word. -I want one word. -One word. Um, beautiful people. | 0:47:45 | 0:47:49 | |
-That's two words. -Uh... | 0:47:49 | 0:47:50 | |
-Decadence. -That's one word! HE LAUGHS | 0:47:51 | 0:47:54 | |
Decadence, there you go. | 0:47:54 | 0:47:56 | |
Come on down, my lovely. | 0:47:56 | 0:47:58 | |
Boy, it took you a long time to grow this. | 0:48:02 | 0:48:05 | |
Ooooh, hello. Salud. | 0:48:05 | 0:48:08 | |
Como estas? Bien? | 0:48:08 | 0:48:09 | |
-Let's do it. -OK, so would you... | 0:48:09 | 0:48:11 | |
-Are you OK about going in? -Yeah, yeah. | 0:48:11 | 0:48:14 | |
-So I take my shoes off? -Yeah, get your kit off. | 0:48:14 | 0:48:16 | |
Isn't this good living? This is life! | 0:48:16 | 0:48:18 | |
It's like, welcome to the Cayman Islands, | 0:48:18 | 0:48:21 | |
and you feel like there's a little guy going, | 0:48:21 | 0:48:23 | |
"The plane, the plane, boss, the plane!" | 0:48:23 | 0:48:25 | |
-You get right in between them. -Yeah, absolutely. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:27 | |
Girls, can we turn to Jacques, | 0:48:27 | 0:48:29 | |
and kind of, like, lean on him a little bit? | 0:48:29 | 0:48:31 | |
-Yes, yes! -Great. | 0:48:31 | 0:48:34 | |
Stick your hands in your pockets. | 0:48:35 | 0:48:37 | |
Awesome. As you walk in, be chatting, | 0:48:38 | 0:48:40 | |
-take the glasses off. -OK. | 0:48:40 | 0:48:42 | |
And be smiling. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:44 | |
While the jet-set has money to spend on champagne, | 0:48:51 | 0:48:54 | |
the government here hasn't got cash for its schools. | 0:48:54 | 0:48:57 | |
The island's education budget ran out of money | 0:49:02 | 0:49:05 | |
after building a new high school. | 0:49:05 | 0:49:07 | |
When Cayman opened its new hospital, guess what? | 0:49:11 | 0:49:14 | |
The cash didn't come from the government, | 0:49:14 | 0:49:16 | |
but from an Indian multimillionaire philanthropist. | 0:49:16 | 0:49:19 | |
And it's a moneymaking business venture. | 0:49:19 | 0:49:22 | |
Locals can use it, but it's primarily aimed | 0:49:22 | 0:49:25 | |
at American health tourists. | 0:49:25 | 0:49:27 | |
I'm going to meet someone with a unique insight | 0:49:32 | 0:49:35 | |
into how this relationship between government and business works, | 0:49:35 | 0:49:38 | |
and what it could mean for us. | 0:49:38 | 0:49:40 | |
He grew up in Emily's world, | 0:49:42 | 0:49:44 | |
but made it into Pasquale's. | 0:49:44 | 0:49:46 | |
I'm meeting Mario Rankin, | 0:49:46 | 0:49:49 | |
who grew up in a down-and-out part of the island. | 0:49:49 | 0:49:51 | |
I grew up playing here, living here... | 0:49:53 | 0:49:55 | |
This is where I lived the better part of my life, | 0:49:55 | 0:49:58 | |
until I became a young adult and then I moved out. | 0:49:58 | 0:50:01 | |
Yeah, and then, also, you became quite successful, didn't you? | 0:50:01 | 0:50:04 | |
Well, the thing is, is that this was a great motivator. | 0:50:04 | 0:50:07 | |
When I used to walk to school in the mornings, | 0:50:07 | 0:50:09 | |
I would stop at every plum tree on the way to school. | 0:50:09 | 0:50:12 | |
I would pick plums and I would fill my bag up with plums | 0:50:12 | 0:50:14 | |
because I know the kids in school, | 0:50:14 | 0:50:16 | |
a lot of them didn't live in the neighbourhoods that had plums, | 0:50:16 | 0:50:19 | |
and they would spend all their lunch money on plums. | 0:50:19 | 0:50:21 | |
So, I would go to school with a bag of plums | 0:50:21 | 0:50:23 | |
and come home with a bag of money. | 0:50:23 | 0:50:25 | |
Yeah, every plum season. | 0:50:25 | 0:50:27 | |
So, you were a born businessman, basically? | 0:50:27 | 0:50:29 | |
Well, I think I had a knack for business | 0:50:29 | 0:50:31 | |
from a very young age, I agree with that. | 0:50:31 | 0:50:33 | |
-You spotted something after the hurricane, didn't you? -Yeah. | 0:50:33 | 0:50:36 | |
It was Hurricane Ivan that took place. | 0:50:36 | 0:50:39 | |
Beneath all of that debris and headache, and hardship, | 0:50:39 | 0:50:42 | |
there was a silver lining | 0:50:42 | 0:50:43 | |
because it created a lot of work - | 0:50:43 | 0:50:45 | |
on the clean-up aspect of it, right? | 0:50:45 | 0:50:47 | |
There was a lot of scrap metal that was accumulated, | 0:50:47 | 0:50:51 | |
so I made a contact in China and told them, | 0:50:51 | 0:50:53 | |
"Look, you know, if you guys would give me | 0:50:53 | 0:50:55 | |
"a power purchase agreement | 0:50:55 | 0:50:57 | |
"saying that you would buy X amount of metal, | 0:50:57 | 0:50:59 | |
"maybe I can convince the government | 0:50:59 | 0:51:01 | |
"to give me the contract to remove this metal." | 0:51:01 | 0:51:03 | |
How much did you make on that one deal? | 0:51:03 | 0:51:05 | |
Like 4.5 million CI dollars. | 0:51:05 | 0:51:07 | |
So, you didn't do bad for a boy who came from this yard. | 0:51:07 | 0:51:10 | |
-4.5 million deal upfront... -Upfront. | 0:51:10 | 0:51:12 | |
..and you're in business, literally. | 0:51:12 | 0:51:15 | |
Mario is now a construction magnate | 0:51:15 | 0:51:18 | |
and one of the richest men on the island. | 0:51:18 | 0:51:20 | |
He built the road we're driving on | 0:51:20 | 0:51:23 | |
and he's got a very clear message about what it means | 0:51:23 | 0:51:25 | |
when the rich, not the state, | 0:51:25 | 0:51:27 | |
pay for things. | 0:51:27 | 0:51:30 | |
Does government here...? | 0:51:30 | 0:51:32 | |
Does it work on behalf of the people | 0:51:32 | 0:51:34 | |
or the super-rich? | 0:51:34 | 0:51:36 | |
They're supposed to work for the best interest of the people but - | 0:51:36 | 0:51:39 | |
from what I've seen in my time living here, as a kid growing up - | 0:51:39 | 0:51:43 | |
I've seen that they've worked in the best interest | 0:51:43 | 0:51:45 | |
of those who have money to invest | 0:51:45 | 0:51:47 | |
and that we've catered far too much | 0:51:47 | 0:51:51 | |
for the super-rich and the wealthy to develop. | 0:51:51 | 0:51:53 | |
You must be in a funny position | 0:51:53 | 0:51:55 | |
because as, kind of, construction king, | 0:51:55 | 0:51:57 | |
you... Obviously, you benefit from creating this | 0:51:57 | 0:52:01 | |
but, at the same time, the island is changing, isn't it? | 0:52:01 | 0:52:03 | |
At some point, we're going to out-resource ourselves, | 0:52:03 | 0:52:08 | |
meaning that we're going to turn everything over to major development | 0:52:08 | 0:52:11 | |
and the super-rich, | 0:52:11 | 0:52:13 | |
and everything is going to be far outpriced for the local person | 0:52:13 | 0:52:17 | |
that comes two generations behind. | 0:52:17 | 0:52:20 | |
You guys are on the heels of major development coming in | 0:52:20 | 0:52:23 | |
and I think what's going to really happen in Britain | 0:52:23 | 0:52:25 | |
is that you guys are going to have, like, a social unrest | 0:52:25 | 0:52:27 | |
because people there are a lot different from the people here. | 0:52:27 | 0:52:30 | |
We live with the trade wind breezes where we're a lot more complacent, | 0:52:30 | 0:52:33 | |
we're a little bit more relaxed and | 0:52:33 | 0:52:35 | |
we take a lot before we break. | 0:52:35 | 0:52:37 | |
Maybe in Britain, it's a little different. | 0:52:37 | 0:52:40 | |
Mario's giving us a very clear warning in Britain. | 0:52:44 | 0:52:47 | |
If we rely on the super-rich and big business to pay for everything, | 0:52:47 | 0:52:50 | |
we're letting them buy our future. | 0:52:50 | 0:52:52 | |
We're all used to the idea that tax havens, like Cayman, | 0:52:55 | 0:52:58 | |
are the problem, the bad guys, | 0:52:58 | 0:53:00 | |
but in my time here and the conversations I've had, | 0:53:00 | 0:53:03 | |
I've realised that it's far more interesting | 0:53:03 | 0:53:05 | |
and unexpected than I'd imagined. | 0:53:05 | 0:53:07 | |
Cayman isn't a remote island, | 0:53:11 | 0:53:13 | |
it has lessons for us in the UK. | 0:53:13 | 0:53:16 | |
We made this island a tax haven | 0:53:16 | 0:53:19 | |
and it's still umbilically linked to Britain - | 0:53:19 | 0:53:22 | |
so if the buck stops with one person here, | 0:53:22 | 0:53:25 | |
it's Britain's representative on Cayman - the governor. | 0:53:25 | 0:53:29 | |
Surely she can give me some answers. | 0:53:29 | 0:53:33 | |
-Welcome to Government House. -Thank you very much. | 0:53:33 | 0:53:35 | |
Are you worried about this programme | 0:53:35 | 0:53:37 | |
and about what we're going to say about Cayman? | 0:53:37 | 0:53:39 | |
It's all very easy, isn't it, | 0:53:39 | 0:53:41 | |
to go around and take a few photographs | 0:53:41 | 0:53:43 | |
of people's very fast cars and beautiful houses? | 0:53:43 | 0:53:46 | |
I think people imagine the Cayman Islands as | 0:53:46 | 0:53:49 | |
having lots and lots of banks | 0:53:49 | 0:53:51 | |
and people wearing dark glasses with briefcases, | 0:53:51 | 0:53:53 | |
sort of scurrying around. | 0:53:53 | 0:53:54 | |
We're not saying there's no corruption here | 0:53:54 | 0:53:56 | |
cos obviously that would be stupid, | 0:53:56 | 0:53:58 | |
but there is an absolute commitment that, | 0:53:58 | 0:54:00 | |
when any corruption is discovered - | 0:54:00 | 0:54:01 | |
and it's actively looked for - | 0:54:01 | 0:54:04 | |
then it will be prosecuted. | 0:54:04 | 0:54:06 | |
It's kind of ironic that you have this reputation. | 0:54:06 | 0:54:09 | |
Reputations, you know, | 0:54:10 | 0:54:12 | |
as they say, are sort of... | 0:54:12 | 0:54:14 | |
difficult to make but easily broken, | 0:54:14 | 0:54:17 | |
which is one of the reasons why the government here | 0:54:17 | 0:54:20 | |
are so keen to make sure that they | 0:54:20 | 0:54:22 | |
really keep ahead on this agenda. | 0:54:22 | 0:54:25 | |
How does Britain benefit from Cayman having this kind of status | 0:54:25 | 0:54:29 | |
as a hub for financial services and so on? | 0:54:29 | 0:54:32 | |
How do British people benefit from it? | 0:54:33 | 0:54:36 | |
Well, I think the financial services industry in Cayman | 0:54:36 | 0:54:41 | |
enables Cayman to be totally self-sufficient. | 0:54:41 | 0:54:45 | |
Some other overseas territories | 0:54:45 | 0:54:47 | |
are reliant on support from Britain | 0:54:47 | 0:54:50 | |
because their economy simply isn't big enough. | 0:54:50 | 0:54:53 | |
So, Britain benefits by not subsidising Cayman? | 0:54:53 | 0:54:57 | |
That's how... That's the benefit to the British public? | 0:54:57 | 0:55:00 | |
Yes. | 0:55:00 | 0:55:03 | |
Is there a cost to the British public | 0:55:03 | 0:55:04 | |
with this status that Cayman has, do you think? | 0:55:04 | 0:55:07 | |
With companies coming through here, | 0:55:07 | 0:55:10 | |
is there any cost to the British public? | 0:55:10 | 0:55:12 | |
In terms of... | 0:55:14 | 0:55:16 | |
You know, we've talked to people | 0:55:16 | 0:55:17 | |
who've said that the direct cost | 0:55:17 | 0:55:19 | |
to the British public is that... | 0:55:19 | 0:55:22 | |
we have public services that can't afford to run any more | 0:55:22 | 0:55:26 | |
because we don't receive the tax revenue from those companies. | 0:55:26 | 0:55:29 | |
Yeah, but that's nothing to do with | 0:55:29 | 0:55:31 | |
the availability of low tax jurisdictions, | 0:55:31 | 0:55:35 | |
that's to do with what the tax laws are | 0:55:35 | 0:55:37 | |
in the country that you're talking about. | 0:55:37 | 0:55:39 | |
Hmm. | 0:55:39 | 0:55:40 | |
So, why would they say that then? | 0:55:40 | 0:55:42 | |
Why would someone say there's a direct cost to the British public | 0:55:42 | 0:55:45 | |
if that's not true? | 0:55:45 | 0:55:47 | |
What people are doing is... | 0:55:49 | 0:55:52 | |
..moving money | 0:55:54 | 0:55:56 | |
to places that have low taxes... | 0:55:56 | 0:55:58 | |
..and registering their profits there, | 0:56:02 | 0:56:05 | |
but you can have laws in the country | 0:56:05 | 0:56:07 | |
where the profits arise | 0:56:07 | 0:56:09 | |
that prevent them doing that. | 0:56:09 | 0:56:11 | |
So, that's what would... | 0:56:11 | 0:56:12 | |
That's what would improve that situation for the British public. | 0:56:12 | 0:56:16 | |
Would the British government be able to | 0:56:16 | 0:56:18 | |
close down Cayman if they wanted to? | 0:56:18 | 0:56:22 | |
No. | 0:56:22 | 0:56:23 | |
Why not? | 0:56:23 | 0:56:25 | |
It's the British government's responsibility, isn't it? | 0:56:25 | 0:56:28 | |
Yes, it's a British government's responsibility | 0:56:28 | 0:56:30 | |
but the British government couldn't close down... | 0:56:30 | 0:56:33 | |
-You know. -Why not? I don't understand why not. | 0:56:33 | 0:56:35 | |
-..the financial services industry in Britain. -Why not? | 0:56:35 | 0:56:38 | |
Isn't Britain...? | 0:56:38 | 0:56:40 | |
The premier told me that Britain has ultimate veto over everything. | 0:56:40 | 0:56:43 | |
It's the British government's responsibility. That's the premier. | 0:56:43 | 0:56:46 | |
They're supposedly in charge. | 0:56:46 | 0:56:48 | |
No, no, of course the British government | 0:56:48 | 0:56:50 | |
does have ultimate veto over... | 0:56:50 | 0:56:53 | |
..what goes on in the island, | 0:56:54 | 0:56:56 | |
but only if it's illegal or damaging | 0:56:56 | 0:57:00 | |
to the interests of the people or to the island. | 0:57:00 | 0:57:02 | |
Do you think companies being able to register their profits through Cayman | 0:57:02 | 0:57:07 | |
is not a good enough reason | 0:57:07 | 0:57:09 | |
to do something? | 0:57:09 | 0:57:10 | |
The only way of addressing that properly | 0:57:11 | 0:57:13 | |
is to change the tax laws in Britain. | 0:57:13 | 0:57:16 | |
Cayman is a tax haven | 0:57:21 | 0:57:23 | |
created by Britain... | 0:57:23 | 0:57:25 | |
The foreign affairs said, | 0:57:25 | 0:57:27 | |
"You're going to the Cayman Islands." | 0:57:27 | 0:57:29 | |
..but it's much more than that. | 0:57:29 | 0:57:31 | |
It's a perfect creation of the global financial system, | 0:57:31 | 0:57:35 | |
floating beyond the reach of any one government. | 0:57:35 | 0:57:38 | |
The Cayman Islands is in competition with the City of London. | 0:57:38 | 0:57:41 | |
Places like Cayman aren't a parallel economy, | 0:57:41 | 0:57:44 | |
they're how the world does business and | 0:57:44 | 0:57:46 | |
as consumers, we're part of it, too. | 0:57:46 | 0:57:49 | |
We buy cheap goods from companies that use tax havens, | 0:57:50 | 0:57:55 | |
but the cost to us could be much, much greater. | 0:57:55 | 0:57:58 | |
We're going to turn everything over to major development | 0:57:58 | 0:58:01 | |
and the super-rich and I think | 0:58:01 | 0:58:02 | |
what's going to really happen in Britain | 0:58:02 | 0:58:04 | |
is that you guys are going to have, like, a social unrest. | 0:58:04 | 0:58:07 | |
Cayman isn't a faraway island | 0:58:09 | 0:58:12 | |
with little to do with us. | 0:58:12 | 0:58:14 | |
Being here, I've realised | 0:58:14 | 0:58:16 | |
that Britain could look more like this a few years down the line. | 0:58:16 | 0:58:20 | |
This could be the future for all of us, just without the sun. | 0:58:23 | 0:58:27 |