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This is a film directed at you. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
Yes, you. Bankers of Britain. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:08 | |
Now, ladies and gentlemen, | 0:00:08 | 0:00:09 | |
you may have noticed that the art market | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
has done pretty well in recent years. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
Sold, 887 at 450,000. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
Better than the stocks and shares, | 0:00:18 | 0:00:20 | |
commodities and those complicated financial products | 0:00:20 | 0:00:23 | |
that you trade in. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:25 | |
BELL CLANGS | 0:00:25 | 0:00:27 | |
If you go back ten years it was worth half of what it's worth today. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:30 | |
It's worth about £40 billion today. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:34 | |
The prices have just gone, in some cases, stupid. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
10, 20 times what one originally paid for them. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:41 | |
A work of art is beautiful, | 0:00:41 | 0:00:44 | |
but its...but its value is beyond comprehension. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:48 | |
You shouldn't really be buying into art | 0:00:48 | 0:00:50 | |
with less than, probably, 100,000, or 200,000. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:54 | |
About £100,000. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:55 | |
190, it's still going, ladies and gentlemen. Jump back in. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:58 | |
190. 200,000. And ten I'll take. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
And you, dear bankers, are particularly fortunate. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:04 | |
You are living in the gold-rush city of the art market. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:08 | |
London has become an amazing art centre, and, really, | 0:01:08 | 0:01:12 | |
outside of New York it's THE centre of the art world. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:16 | |
And in some ways it's a more interesting centre of the art world, | 0:01:16 | 0:01:18 | |
because it's a more international centre. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
Many of you are already buying art. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
That's one of the reasons the market's grown. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:27 | |
But not all of you. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:29 | |
Some of you are still shy about | 0:01:29 | 0:01:31 | |
spending your strenuously earned millions on art. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:35 | |
£2 million. £2 million. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
You are right to be cautious. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
Making money out of art is not as easy as it looks. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
Your bid. Don't bid against yourself, | 0:01:42 | 0:01:45 | |
I'll take it once from you, 220, 230. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
It's interesting how many collectors regret | 0:01:48 | 0:01:50 | |
their first two or three buys. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:52 | |
The eight paintings of dogs playing poker in my basement | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
are never going to re-sell! | 0:01:55 | 0:01:56 | |
But there is a way to play and win in this market. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:02 | |
Just like there is in the financial world. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:04 | |
The business may have grown beyond all recognition | 0:02:06 | 0:02:10 | |
in the last two decades, | 0:02:10 | 0:02:11 | |
but the tricks of the trade are as old as time itself. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:15 | |
Look at euros, at 76 million. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
-It's cheaper. -LAUGHTER | 0:02:17 | 0:02:19 | |
Art follows money. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:21 | |
Follow my advice and you too can make a fortune | 0:02:21 | 0:02:25 | |
in the casino of culture. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
Being in the art world is like being in the Mafia, | 0:02:28 | 0:02:30 | |
there are things that no-one will talk about. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:32 | |
But I just feel compelled to share the information. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
It's a question of how much you have to play. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:37 | |
7,750,000. Eight million. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:39 | |
Last chance, I'm selling it. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:41 | |
You go to Las Vegas, you want to play at the 5 table, | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
the 50 table or the...10,000 table, or the 20,000 table? | 0:02:44 | 0:02:50 | |
I mean, what's your... pain threshold? | 0:02:50 | 0:02:54 | |
Yes or no? | 0:02:54 | 0:02:56 | |
Then, how close to the bone are you really going to cut this thing? | 0:02:56 | 0:03:00 | |
I'm going to imagine that you have the basics - | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
over £10 million in the bank, a yacht, luxury London apartment, | 0:03:11 | 0:03:16 | |
a second home in Monaco, an offshore bank account, | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
and if not a private jet then at least access to one. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:23 | |
Good. Are you sitting comfortably in your designer Italian armchair? | 0:03:23 | 0:03:27 | |
Then we can begin. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:29 | |
The first rule is simple. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:35 | |
Think of art as an asset class. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
An investment, like stocks and shares, gold and currency. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:44 | |
Of course, it can be pretty. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:45 | |
But art is better than a vase of flowers or a handbag. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:49 | |
Anybody else now? | 0:03:50 | 0:03:51 | |
At 1,600,000 and selling here. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
There are lots of investments you can make these days | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
in luxury objects - boats, cars - | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
where the value goes down. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:02 | |
But there are some where you know the value can go up. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:05 | |
8.5, there it is. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:07 | |
2,500,000. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:09 | |
Non? C'est non. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:10 | |
2,700,000. Thank you, sir. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:11 | |
Do you want to come back in? | 0:04:11 | 0:04:13 | |
Excellent. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:15 | |
-Are you definitely out? -Are you done? -2,300,000 is here, then. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
Catherine. Sold at 8,500,000, and your number's 881. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:27 | |
Francis Outred is one of the masterminds | 0:04:28 | 0:04:30 | |
of the rise of the art market. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:32 | |
So these are our New York highlights. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:34 | |
These are sort of masterpieces of minimalism. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
He cut his teeth promoting Young British Artists, | 0:04:37 | 0:04:40 | |
before working at the big auction houses | 0:04:40 | 0:04:44 | |
Sotheby's and then Christie's. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:46 | |
Tonight we had 113 lots. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:49 | |
Of which 99 sold. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:50 | |
Just 14 were unsold, so about 92% overall. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:54 | |
Really incredible. I think that shows the thirst for art, | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
it shows the desire to collect art. | 0:04:57 | 0:04:59 | |
The growth of value that we've seen over the last 15 years | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
has encouraged more people to come into the marketplace... | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
who want to invest in something they can enjoy. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
Let us not deny that many of the wealthiest people in the world | 0:05:08 | 0:05:12 | |
buy art for the same reason that they date models. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
Because they can. Because they love how they - I mean it - looks. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:20 | |
But there is an army of collectors who quite understandably | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
expect their art to do more than please their eye and mind. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:28 | |
I think you'll find that almost every major collector is looking at, | 0:05:28 | 0:05:32 | |
"I've bought this great picture, and, by the way, what's it worth?" | 0:05:32 | 0:05:36 | |
I know a lot of collectors now, in New York City particularly, | 0:05:36 | 0:05:40 | |
and it's quite disturbing to me, | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
they strictly look at the financial aspect. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:46 | |
So they want, you know, sofa art, | 0:05:46 | 0:05:48 | |
meaning if it can't hang over the sofa they won't buy it. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
And they want to buy what they think the bourgeoisie of tomorrow | 0:05:51 | 0:05:56 | |
will want, so that they can buy it and sell it to them next year. | 0:05:56 | 0:06:00 | |
You know, someone who buys a screwed-up... | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
-you know... -Go on! | 0:06:07 | 0:06:09 | |
-You know... -LAUGHTER | 0:06:09 | 0:06:11 | |
That. Someone who's prepared to go into a gallery | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
to buy that for ten grand, or 100 grand, let's be... | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
-you know, let's be generous about it. -Yeah? | 0:06:17 | 0:06:19 | |
£100,000 for a screwed-up piece of paper. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:21 | |
Now, we're talking about the kind of person who won't spend 1p | 0:06:21 | 0:06:25 | |
on anything without knowing they're going to make money back. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:29 | |
Jake Chapman, one half of the British artistic duo | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
the Chapman brothers, | 0:06:32 | 0:06:33 | |
saw his work take off in critical acclaim - and financial value - | 0:06:33 | 0:06:38 | |
in the '90s, | 0:06:38 | 0:06:40 | |
as one of the new generation of British artists known as the YBAs. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:46 | |
There has always been a convergence between the notion of | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
a beautiful work of art and its speculative figure. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
But in today's world art is more useful than it ever was. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:58 | |
It's a financial instrument in the sophisticated global economy. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:02 | |
There are hedge funds investing in art, | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
and finance companies lending money, | 0:07:06 | 0:07:08 | |
taking the art you own as collateral. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
Philip Hoffman runs the world's largest business of this kind, | 0:07:12 | 0:07:15 | |
with over £240 million in assets. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:19 | |
This is an incredibly busy time of the year. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
We're involved in an 80 million transaction | 0:07:23 | 0:07:25 | |
that sprung up about a week ago, | 0:07:25 | 0:07:27 | |
we're signing off on deals | 0:07:27 | 0:07:28 | |
of perhaps 10 million or 15 million this week, | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
and we're arranging various transactions | 0:07:31 | 0:07:35 | |
from low-end to high-end | 0:07:35 | 0:07:37 | |
of many, many millions for clients in multiple countries. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
Price rises have been so steep that many veteran collectors | 0:07:40 | 0:07:45 | |
have been priced, almost tragically, out of the market. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:49 | |
I'll make a statement now concerning the buying of pictures | 0:07:51 | 0:07:55 | |
which you have to think about for a few seconds. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:57 | |
I can't afford my own pictures. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:00 | |
If they came on the market, I couldn't afford to buy them. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
The prices have just gone, in some cases, stupid. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:08 | |
10, 20 times what one originally paid for them. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
Until the 19th century, | 0:08:17 | 0:08:19 | |
the art market was a trade that just trickled, | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
where aristocrats bought antiquities and Renaissance masters. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:26 | |
The exception was 17th-century Holland. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
There the urban middle class drove a bull market in art. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
But the European art market only really took off in the mid-1800s, | 0:08:35 | 0:08:39 | |
when all the nouves, the wealthy new entrepreneurs and industrialists, | 0:08:39 | 0:08:43 | |
caught the collecting bug for both Old Masters | 0:08:43 | 0:08:47 | |
and what was then modern art. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:49 | |
Art became a popular passion, too. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:52 | |
Half a million people were attending the Paris Salon | 0:08:52 | 0:08:56 | |
by the end of the century. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
Here are the country bumpkins, erm, | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
amid the town sophisticates, | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
creeping into the edge of the picture. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
This was real middle-class life, | 0:09:06 | 0:09:08 | |
and it was loved and priced into the skies by middle-class people. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:13 | |
It was the first really big price on the Victorian contemporary-art boom. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:19 | |
£1,500 in 1858, which hadn't been seen for a living artist. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:25 | |
The change to seeing art as a form of profit | 0:09:25 | 0:09:29 | |
came in the middle of the 19th century | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
when the art market fell into the hands of the middle class, | 0:09:32 | 0:09:36 | |
into the new big industrial fortunes. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:40 | |
And the great difference between a king, a prince | 0:09:40 | 0:09:42 | |
and a landed aristo and the new middle-class merchants | 0:09:42 | 0:09:46 | |
is that the former, by and large, bought art to keep, | 0:09:46 | 0:09:51 | |
while the middle class has always kept an eye on a profit. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:55 | |
At 1,450,000. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
Today's collectors and dealers tell you that art as an asset | 0:09:59 | 0:10:04 | |
is a recent phenomenon. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:05 | |
So, you might quite reasonably think | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
this is a craze that will come and go. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:10 | |
Anybody else now? | 0:10:10 | 0:10:12 | |
But the smart guys in the room, across the Channel, | 0:10:12 | 0:10:14 | |
saw the future over a century ago. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
Back in 1904, a group of collectors, under the direction, if you want, | 0:10:22 | 0:10:26 | |
of a private collector called Mr Level, | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
decided to put money in a big pot | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
and buy works of contemporary artists | 0:10:33 | 0:10:35 | |
during a period of ten years. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:37 | |
And they had decided from the beginning | 0:10:37 | 0:10:39 | |
that after that period of ten years | 0:10:39 | 0:10:41 | |
they would sell the works at auction and hopefully making a profit. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:45 | |
In the end he acquired - they acquired - | 0:10:45 | 0:10:49 | |
145 pictures, drawings, watercolours. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
The total of their purchase comes up to almost 27,000 French francs. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:58 | |
Among the works Level bought was a legendary Picasso. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
Level had to negotiate to buy it for 1,000 francs with Picasso. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:06 | |
Picasso was not easy to convince to sell at this price. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:10 | |
But Level gave him an advance, | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
300 francs, | 0:11:13 | 0:11:14 | |
and he caught him like that because Picasso spent the money | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
and then he had to give him the picture! | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
It's huge. It's two metres 35 by two metres...40 or something. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:29 | |
It's a very large painting. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:31 | |
In fact, it is so large that... | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
they never were able to hang it anywhere, so it was... | 0:11:34 | 0:11:38 | |
it always stayed rolled up! | 0:11:38 | 0:11:40 | |
Er, Level bought it in 1908, | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
and they never really enjoyed this painting, | 0:11:43 | 0:11:47 | |
it was kept stored somewhere. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
Because it was too big. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:52 | |
In 1914, Level sent his 145 works of art off to be auctioned, | 0:11:52 | 0:11:58 | |
the Picasso included. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:00 | |
The Picasso is here, Picasso, Les Bateleurs. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:04 | |
It's the first time it comes up for auction | 0:12:04 | 0:12:06 | |
so there is a lot of tension in the room. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:08 | |
People have come to look at that. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:10 | |
There is a battle between two dealers, | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
and finally a German dealer buys the picture for more than 11,000 francs. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:18 | |
People start clapping their hands and they are so happy. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
There was a person there who writes in the paper the next day | 0:12:21 | 0:12:25 | |
that he felt so happy he felt like singing. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
In total Level's collection was sold for almost 100,000 francs, | 0:12:28 | 0:12:33 | |
four times what he paid for it. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:36 | |
That was the gratifyingly profitable dawn of art | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
you bankers could bank on. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:41 | |
If you look at some of the wealthiest families in the world, | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
the Mellon, the Rothschilds, | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
the Rockefellers, Steve Cohen the hedge-fund manager, | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
they have made more money, probably, out of their art investments | 0:12:50 | 0:12:54 | |
over the long term than they ever did out of their businesses. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
But there is something new afoot. | 0:12:57 | 0:12:59 | |
Now, you bankers don't just trade in one thing in one country, | 0:12:59 | 0:13:03 | |
and you all lost a packet in the crash, | 0:13:03 | 0:13:05 | |
so that's made art a more desirable, | 0:13:05 | 0:13:07 | |
useful and profitable asset than anyone dreamt possible. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:11 | |
Everybody burned their fingers back in 2008, | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
where they had all their money in either stocks or in bank deposits | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
or in bonds, and even real estate, and all of them collapsed. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
And people were scrambling around thinking, what the hell do I do? | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
It's been another tumultuous morning on the markets. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
Some of Britain's biggest banks | 0:13:27 | 0:13:29 | |
have seen their share prices plummet again. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:31 | |
The Dow Jones average closed down more than 500 points this afternoon. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:35 | |
Lehman Brothers is now officially... | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
-GEORGE W BUSH: -The market is not functioning properly. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
Major sectors of America's financial system are at risk of shutting down. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:44 | |
We are a minute from midnight in terms of outright catastrophe. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:50 | |
And, actually, art didn't collapse. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
And there were some... and a year later, in 2009, | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
there were some world-record prices paid for... | 0:13:57 | 0:13:59 | |
Giacometti, Walking Man, that made over 100 million, | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
new world-record price. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:04 | |
This angular piece was inspired by Giacometti's belief | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
that the stride symbolised life force. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
So what I said is, look back at history | 0:14:10 | 0:14:12 | |
and see in economic downturns | 0:14:12 | 0:14:14 | |
what happens to all the other asset classes, and what happens to art. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:18 | |
Since the financial crisis, | 0:14:18 | 0:14:20 | |
governments have printed trillions of dollars and pounds and euros, | 0:14:20 | 0:14:25 | |
wondering where some of it went. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
Is that a bid? 73 million. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:32 | |
Here it is. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:35 | |
Sold at 350. 910. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:37 | |
You've got a situation | 0:14:37 | 0:14:39 | |
where I think art does better during times of income inequality. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
We've seen studies on that. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:44 | |
Not just general economic activity. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:46 | |
So that when the rich are getting richer, | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
you know, after you've bought your three homes and five Ferraris, | 0:14:48 | 0:14:52 | |
art seems to be a natural place to put the rest of your excess cash | 0:14:52 | 0:14:56 | |
looted from your... central-African country. | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
So... | 0:14:59 | 0:15:00 | |
So, now you know how to think about art, | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
it's time to turn your attention to what art to buy. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
Today many of the world's most influential collectors | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
have come here to Frieze, one of the world's most important art fairs. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:26 | |
Nowadays, most art is bought at fairs like this, | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
where galleries from all over the world rent booths | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
and show a selection of work by the artists they represent. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:37 | |
It's actually quite funny. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:48 | |
If you ask dealers, gallery owners and collectors | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
what art you should buy, they will always initially say... | 0:15:52 | 0:15:56 | |
It sounds like a cliche, but collect what you like. | 0:15:56 | 0:16:00 | |
Collect because it looks good on your wall, | 0:16:00 | 0:16:02 | |
that every day you walk by it you smile. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:04 | |
These works are all about a kind of fictional archaeology. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:09 | |
Something that appears like it's from now, | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
right, this figure is wearing Nike shoes. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:14 | |
So this one is made of ash, volcanic ash, | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
-and steel. -I have one of his pieces on my desk. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:19 | |
It's a different type of history, forward-looking, looking back now. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:23 | |
I think it's fantastic. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:24 | |
Jim Chanos, estimated net worth 1.5 billion, | 0:16:27 | 0:16:32 | |
is one of the world's most successful hedge-funders, | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
famous for shorting the market. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:37 | |
Don't do this for the money, it's a bit of a mug's game if you do that. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:41 | |
I think the people who have done the best in terms of collecting or... | 0:16:45 | 0:16:50 | |
are people who actually... | 0:16:50 | 0:16:51 | |
they are the believers, they actually love something, | 0:16:51 | 0:16:53 | |
they're enthusiastic about something. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:55 | |
They believe in it, it excites them, it wakes them up | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
in the middle of the night, or they're like, "I really want that!" | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
And then they get it and they feel so good about it. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
Adam Lindemann is the son of a multi-billionaire entrepreneur | 0:17:03 | 0:17:08 | |
and is one of the world's most successful collectors. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:11 | |
You know, I have a terrible case of FOMO. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:13 | |
You know what FOMO is? | 0:17:13 | 0:17:15 | |
Fear of missing out. I have the worst FOMO in the world. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:18 | |
So if you don't show up you don't know. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
He was an early buyer of YBAs Damien Hirst, Chris Ofili | 0:17:21 | 0:17:26 | |
and Japanese pop artist Takashi Murakami. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:30 | |
And having established himself as a collector and then a dealer, | 0:17:30 | 0:17:33 | |
he went on to open his own art gallery. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:35 | |
From the gallery perspective, from the collector perspective, I mean, | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
if you don't show up you don't really see what others are doing, | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
what others are showing, what others are selling or buying. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
Market knowledge, and also, there's always something to find. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:49 | |
I mean, this is like a treasure hunt. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:52 | |
If you don't love it, don't think the next person will. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
It is true that many of the world's wealthiest people | 0:17:56 | 0:18:00 | |
do buy art because they love it. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
But, dear bankers and novice collectors, | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
that is a terrible idea | 0:18:06 | 0:18:08 | |
if you wish to make a proper return on your equity. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:12 | |
And, whatever they may say at first, | 0:18:12 | 0:18:14 | |
billionaire collectors know it can be a road to ruin. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:18 | |
Any collector's journey will always transform as they buy. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:25 | |
I think it's interesting how many collectors | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
regret their first two or three buys | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
but, actually, in the end, come back and say, | 0:18:30 | 0:18:32 | |
"I'd like to keep that, it's part of my history." | 0:18:32 | 0:18:36 | |
When someone tells you, "I buy what I like," that's the kiss of death. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:40 | |
The thing is, you like what you know. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:45 | |
So if you've only had fish and chips | 0:18:45 | 0:18:49 | |
and someone puts a piece of sushi in front of you, | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
you're not going to like it. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:53 | |
But if you try sushi, and then you get used to it, suddenly, | 0:18:53 | 0:18:57 | |
you feel good, you love sushi. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
You love Japanese restaurants, "I can't wait to go to Tokyo!" | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
But you're the same person who two years ago loved fish and chips. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:07 | |
The more you learn, it's going to change. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
The more times you go to the Tate, the more times | 0:19:11 | 0:19:14 | |
you see the galleries, your taste is going to change. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
3 million. 3,100,000. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:19 | |
If you wish your art to pay dividends then you need to focus on | 0:19:19 | 0:19:23 | |
the art where other collectors compete to own works. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:27 | |
Thank you, sir. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:28 | |
Because that is where prices rise. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
2,300,000, paddle 827, the Richter. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
Richter, Warhol, Hirst, Basquiat and Koons, | 0:19:34 | 0:19:41 | |
all the big-name artists have shot up | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
because their work has been chased by millionaires and billionaires | 0:19:44 | 0:19:49 | |
from Europe, Russia and Asia. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:51 | |
There is a herd mentality | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
among a certain 0.0.1% of people, | 0:19:54 | 0:19:58 | |
I think they're called the plutocrats, | 0:19:58 | 0:20:00 | |
who don't really come from any particular country, | 0:20:00 | 0:20:03 | |
who fly about in aeroplanes, and they all know each other, | 0:20:03 | 0:20:06 | |
they all want the same interior designer, | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
they all have the same dentist, they all want the same art. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:12 | |
Trends in contemporary art are set by a few very influential | 0:20:12 | 0:20:18 | |
and affluent collectors, as Charles Saatchi once did. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:22 | |
He established a new movement in art in the 1990s | 0:20:22 | 0:20:26 | |
by heavily collecting a generation of Young British Artists, | 0:20:26 | 0:20:30 | |
whose art scandalised a nation and enthralled the art market. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:34 | |
Saatchi's like Ronald, isn't he? He's the universal pariah. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
He's never going to be allowed to be a person | 0:20:37 | 0:20:39 | |
who had any positive influence on the art world. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:41 | |
Every single time I hear, if someone says, "What about Saatchi?", | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
there's this kind of notion that somehow there's this | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
malevolent behind-the-scenes character who put together something | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
which we shouldn't believe is a thing, and that's kind of... | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
That's quite weird. Because it also sort of presents the notion that, | 0:20:53 | 0:20:56 | |
if you think about the YBA Sensation thing, | 0:20:56 | 0:20:58 | |
that somehow there was someone manipulating things, | 0:20:58 | 0:21:00 | |
which is not to say there's not, but the question is to say, | 0:21:00 | 0:21:04 | |
when are people not manipulating things? | 0:21:04 | 0:21:06 | |
I think there's no doubt | 0:21:06 | 0:21:08 | |
that there's a sort of billionaires' battle going on here. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
The desire to have the best works of art, | 0:21:11 | 0:21:13 | |
the most difficult to obtain, the fact that | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
it is actually quite difficult to get your hands on | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
a really prime Jeff Koons, in fact virtually impossible, | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
I think that adds to this sort of... this competition | 0:21:22 | 0:21:26 | |
and this is one of the reasons why | 0:21:26 | 0:21:28 | |
very rich people are vying to bag the best trophies. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:32 | |
But once again, permit me to repeat myself, | 0:21:32 | 0:21:35 | |
don't think that this is a newfangled fad. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
In the 19th century, | 0:21:39 | 0:21:41 | |
industrialists in Britain and America | 0:21:41 | 0:21:43 | |
competed to buy the big-name artists of the day. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:47 | |
Just then as now, you had sudden, dramatic, | 0:21:47 | 0:21:51 | |
explosive rises in price. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
The best example of all | 0:21:54 | 0:21:56 | |
is the picture known in those days as The Grand Canal, | 0:21:56 | 0:22:00 | |
which changed hands ten times between 1859 and 1885. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:06 | |
And it moved from £2,600 to £20,000 in those 23 years. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:13 | |
But Landseer went up like a rocket, Millais, Holman Hunt. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:18 | |
Then you had the sexy painters of ancient Greece and Rome | 0:22:18 | 0:22:23 | |
who got the nude back into the Victorian household | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
in the 1870s and '80s. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:28 | |
Anything which looked muddy and dark and oily, | 0:22:28 | 0:22:32 | |
they shot into the sky and stayed high until 1908, 1909, 1910. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:37 | |
Ladies and gentlemen, follow the money, | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
buy the art liked by people more important than you. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:47 | |
I have absolutely no idea what this is. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
So, let's see what our important collectors are looking at today. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:55 | |
-Como esta? -Voy a hacer un interview en tu booth. -Adelante. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:02 | |
-Please. -BBC. -Excellent. Go ahead. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
Any press is good press! | 0:23:05 | 0:23:07 | |
Jimmie Durham is an American-Indian artist. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:13 | |
He's different. He's conceptual. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:15 | |
I think the works are aesthetic and beautiful. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:17 | |
I like the pathos, I like the sadness of it. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:21 | |
You know? It's very poor, but it... | 0:23:21 | 0:23:25 | |
You put that Venetian luxury in it | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
and there's some sort of a poetic energy in it. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
I'm dreaming of doing a show of Jimmie Durham, | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
because I think he's incredibly timely | 0:23:34 | 0:23:37 | |
and he won't show in the United States. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:39 | |
Maybe I like this one better. Yeah, I like this one better. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:42 | |
I would take this one over that one. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:44 | |
I think that tall thing, that might break or whatever, | 0:23:44 | 0:23:48 | |
but that's a good piece, too. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:49 | |
Let's try and buy this. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:51 | |
It's not that expensive either. That's the other thing. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
It's like...I think it's a good deal. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
Well, Theaster Gates is a Chicago-based artist and I think | 0:24:00 | 0:24:04 | |
he actually embodies the passionate side of contemporary art. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:08 | |
One of the few artists I think right now | 0:24:08 | 0:24:10 | |
that is sort of saying something beyond his art. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
His work really focuses on civil rights in the United States | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
and the black experience in the South. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
His father was a roofer in Mississippi, worked in tar. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
And he uses things like tar. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
I have a tapestry of his in Miami that's made of fire hoses | 0:24:27 | 0:24:31 | |
from the period of which the demonstrators were hosed down. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:35 | |
I think he's an important artist. I have a number of his works. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:39 | |
So can I buy this one? | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
I believe he's on hold, but I can check. I can double-check. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:45 | |
Would you let me? I've been wanting to buy a Jimmie Durham for, | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
-like, two years from you guys! -I know. -Why won't you sell me one? | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
I will. I will sell you one. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:53 | |
No, but tell me why? | 0:24:53 | 0:24:55 | |
-You don't like me? -Don't say that. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
Now, perhaps you are still holding out, | 0:25:00 | 0:25:02 | |
one of those obstinate new collectors who say, | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
"I am going to buy the art I like, just like Adam Lindemann." | 0:25:05 | 0:25:09 | |
Well, you may find that simply impossible. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:15 | |
As a new collector, to get into the mega galleries, | 0:25:17 | 0:25:19 | |
they're difficult to enter, | 0:25:19 | 0:25:21 | |
and some of the galleries have hot artists they can sell everywhere | 0:25:21 | 0:25:25 | |
and they don't need new collectors for that. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:29 | |
But they also have artists which are not that popular | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
and in order for you to build a relationship with the gallery | 0:25:32 | 0:25:36 | |
it means that you have to buy some things you don't want | 0:25:36 | 0:25:39 | |
in your collection, but they need to get rid of. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
So, who to turn to? | 0:25:42 | 0:25:44 | |
Well, you pay top dollar for advice on the best healthcare, | 0:25:44 | 0:25:48 | |
childcare, interior design - | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
so too, art. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:53 | |
Even billionaires like Jim Chanos | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
don't just buy the art they or their friends like. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:10 | |
Oh, no. They hire experts whose job is to identify | 0:26:10 | 0:26:14 | |
the art and artists that are on the up. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
We've gotten into this environment | 0:26:17 | 0:26:19 | |
where the advisers are in the middle, | 0:26:19 | 0:26:22 | |
so we're now in this sophisticated art environment | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
where you don't just buy your art, you buy your adviser | 0:26:25 | 0:26:29 | |
and then your adviser tells you what to do. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:32 | |
When young people come and say, "Where should I start, Jeffrey?" | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
I say, "For heaven's sake, get a good adviser who you trust." | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
I got invited as an amateur | 0:26:38 | 0:26:40 | |
to judge the Royal Watercolour Society competition and... | 0:26:40 | 0:26:46 | |
met for the first time - this was 30 years ago - Dr Christopher Beetles, | 0:26:46 | 0:26:50 | |
and we became friends. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:51 | |
And I realised that I knew nothing about art once I'd met him | 0:26:51 | 0:26:55 | |
and he guided me very carefully | 0:26:55 | 0:26:57 | |
and taught me to look more carefully and taught to me how to look. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:01 | |
Somewhat of an irony that the picture I chose | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
for the winning prize was dismissed by Dr Beetles | 0:27:06 | 0:27:10 | |
and the rest of the snooty people on the panel | 0:27:10 | 0:27:13 | |
and won the People's Prize. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:15 | |
So I suspect I've always had... the people's view, | 0:27:15 | 0:27:19 | |
but he was able to refine that. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:21 | |
Lisa Schiff is an art adviser whose clients include Leonardo DiCaprio. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:31 | |
As there is more product and more supply, | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
it's also ever more complicated and ever more important, | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
if you're thinking of things as asset allocation, | 0:27:37 | 0:27:40 | |
to be very selective about the artists that you're looking at, | 0:27:40 | 0:27:44 | |
and the works by those artists that you're looking at. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:49 | |
This is a female painter named Elizabeth Peyton. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:53 | |
She's really a portrait painter but also someone who depicts the people | 0:27:53 | 0:27:58 | |
and friends around her. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:00 | |
This is a drawing of Phoebe Philo, who's an English designer | 0:28:00 | 0:28:04 | |
I believe works for Celine, | 0:28:04 | 0:28:06 | |
and one of the things I love about Elizabeth | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
is her ability to capture the soul through the eyes. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
I mean, she has an unbelievable ability to depict that. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:15 | |
Elizabeth Peyton has been one of the most commercially successful female | 0:28:16 | 0:28:21 | |
artists since the '90s. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:23 | |
Back then, you could buy a painting by her for around 70,000. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:27 | |
Now, they could set you back half a million. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
Like this contemplative portrait of Leonardo DiCaprio. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:35 | |
I will make sure that I can disclose what I think the market... | 0:28:35 | 0:28:40 | |
future probability is of any work of art that we're going to buy, | 0:28:40 | 0:28:43 | |
just so there are no surprises. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:46 | |
And I could be completely wrong, by the way. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:48 | |
I'm not a magician, but I can say this is what I SEE happening, | 0:28:48 | 0:28:52 | |
here's the POTENTIAL. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:54 | |
And maybe there's no potential. | 0:28:54 | 0:28:56 | |
Of course, great wealth is not always acquired | 0:29:00 | 0:29:04 | |
by the most elegant means | 0:29:04 | 0:29:05 | |
or made in the most democratic environment or fairest society. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:10 | |
You might have made your fortune mining potash | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
or betting on the collapse of the property market. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:16 | |
But an art adviser can help you transform your home | 0:29:16 | 0:29:20 | |
into an oasis of culture. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
Malek Sukkar runs a waste-management company based in the Middle East. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:28 | |
In London, he and his wife have been collecting art for over a decade, | 0:29:28 | 0:29:31 | |
listening carefully to their art adviser. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:34 | |
She's Viennese. She's sadly since died. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:36 | |
She was actually one of the OWAs, the Older Women Artists | 0:29:36 | 0:29:40 | |
that suddenly trended a couple of years ago. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:44 | |
Prue O'Day has run a consultancy since the 1990s. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:48 | |
Among her clients, accountants Ernst and Young, multinational Unilever, | 0:29:48 | 0:29:54 | |
and the British Treasury. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:56 | |
When I was originally recommended to them, | 0:29:56 | 0:29:59 | |
they really just wanted to fill the house with lovely things. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:03 | |
They were very curious, | 0:30:03 | 0:30:05 | |
but sort of quite apprehensive about the art world. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:08 | |
This corner brings a smile to everyone's face. | 0:30:08 | 0:30:11 | |
That's the quirky side of the collection, right? | 0:30:11 | 0:30:13 | |
It's where we began to have a bit of fun with installing | 0:30:13 | 0:30:16 | |
in a very different way. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:18 | |
'We started off quite gradually,' | 0:30:18 | 0:30:20 | |
and then they really got the bug and could see the huge feedback | 0:30:20 | 0:30:25 | |
they were getting in their personal lives. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:29 | |
Collecting in depth makes you follow the trajectory of the artist, | 0:30:29 | 0:30:32 | |
and you become more acquainted with their work | 0:30:32 | 0:30:36 | |
and...they become your friends, so to speak. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:40 | |
I think what's really interesting is | 0:30:40 | 0:30:42 | |
they're a very engaging couple, they're very well liked. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
'And they have a lot of fun.' | 0:30:45 | 0:30:47 | |
This piece is actually part of the naughty side of the collection | 0:30:47 | 0:30:51 | |
that no-one knows about. It's a little teaser. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:54 | |
A beautiful bum painting in the smallest room in the house! | 0:30:54 | 0:30:56 | |
And so appropriate. | 0:30:56 | 0:30:58 | |
But Malek really carries in his soul | 0:30:58 | 0:31:02 | |
all of the troubles that have happened in Lebanon, | 0:31:02 | 0:31:06 | |
which he was directly affected by, and he's quite honest about this | 0:31:06 | 0:31:10 | |
visceral thing that really, really moves him. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:14 | |
Do you remember when we saw that piece the first time? | 0:31:14 | 0:31:17 | |
I'll never forget. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:18 | |
Because this was our first time together. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:21 | |
And within a couple of minutes, Malek said, "I want it." | 0:31:21 | 0:31:26 | |
A lot of people are shocked when they look at it. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:29 | |
I've learnt to love it, to live with it, to appreciate it, | 0:31:29 | 0:31:33 | |
and every single day I discover a little bit more humanity | 0:31:33 | 0:31:37 | |
in that painting. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:39 | |
Here we've got the Pawel Althamer, | 0:31:41 | 0:31:44 | |
which we found at Frieze in about 2011. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:49 | |
-He's quite a spooky artist, I think. -Yeah. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:52 | |
'I was very impressed from the outset about... | 0:31:52 | 0:31:55 | |
'their bravery, really.' | 0:31:55 | 0:31:57 | |
Because if everyone is saying to you, | 0:31:57 | 0:31:59 | |
"Oh, this is just the most extraordinary work and this is the best one!" | 0:31:59 | 0:32:03 | |
you tend to believe everybody else. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:05 | |
I think it's a step forward in the collection history, | 0:32:05 | 0:32:09 | |
again with this idea of decay and decomposition. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:12 | |
In the end, it's all subjective and no-one knows for sure. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:17 | |
Someone asked me once, "Your house is on fire, | 0:32:19 | 0:32:23 | |
"which piece do you grab and run away with?" | 0:32:23 | 0:32:25 | |
And I think it's this piece by Louise Bourgeois. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:28 | |
It's very minimalistic but has a lot of meaning. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:34 | |
So, you've started your collection, you've got an adviser. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:38 | |
Now it's time to venture out into the wider world. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:41 | |
In the art business, a sales pitch can be all smoke and mirrors. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:56 | |
The dealers will always tell you, like, you know, | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
three seconds after the doors open, that everything's sold. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:03 | |
But of course what that means is that people have reserved the works. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:08 | |
You know, the art consultants and advisers go through and they go, | 0:33:08 | 0:33:12 | |
"My client's interested in that, that, that and that," | 0:33:12 | 0:33:14 | |
and thus the work is reserved, | 0:33:14 | 0:33:16 | |
and if you ask about it a day later, they'll say, "Well, it's sold." | 0:33:16 | 0:33:20 | |
But in fact of the matter, | 0:33:20 | 0:33:21 | |
no cash has yet changed hands and may never change hands and so works | 0:33:21 | 0:33:26 | |
that are reserved or taken off the market or off the walls at Frieze | 0:33:26 | 0:33:30 | |
may in fact be back on the market within weeks. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:33 | |
In the world of high finance, as you traders will know, | 0:33:34 | 0:33:38 | |
there are burdensome regulations. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:40 | |
You have to do the best by your clients, | 0:33:40 | 0:33:42 | |
whether you are buying or selling. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:44 | |
If you don't, you can get a hefty and irritating fine. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:49 | |
In the art world, | 0:33:49 | 0:33:50 | |
you'll be pleased to hear that almost none of this applies. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:54 | |
There are frequent instances where conflict of interest could arise | 0:33:54 | 0:33:58 | |
which wouldn't be necessarily the case in other industries. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:03 | |
Kenny Schachter collects, deals and writes about the art market. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:08 | |
If I'm selling a painting for 20 million or 30 million, | 0:34:08 | 0:34:11 | |
which I've done, the fees are typically 2-4%. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:15 | |
But the law is pretty much whatever you can get away with, | 0:34:15 | 0:34:19 | |
for all intents and purposes. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:20 | |
780,000? | 0:34:20 | 0:34:22 | |
Still going at 780,000. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:25 | |
Lady's bid, centre right still, Louis. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:28 | |
Last chance, I'm selling it at £780,000. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:32 | |
The issue is this. If you're a collector, | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
you're newly wealthy and you'd like to join this private club | 0:34:35 | 0:34:38 | |
that's exclusive and storied | 0:34:38 | 0:34:40 | |
but you're not a member of it yet, | 0:34:40 | 0:34:42 | |
there is a natural tendency not to want to rock the boat | 0:34:42 | 0:34:46 | |
and to want to play by the club's rules. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:49 | |
But the club's rules go like this - | 0:34:49 | 0:34:51 | |
I will tell you how much an object is worth, | 0:34:51 | 0:34:54 | |
I will tell you what is authentic and what isn't | 0:34:54 | 0:34:57 | |
and you will pay however much I tell you this is worth. | 0:34:57 | 0:35:01 | |
You have it, 826 at 300,000. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:04 | |
Unless you have a specific contract for the purpose, | 0:35:04 | 0:35:07 | |
the art dealer will be working in his own interests, naturally. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:11 | |
950 is here. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:13 | |
As one Russian oligarch recently found out to his cost. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:17 | |
For ten years, Dmitry Rybolovlev, the owner of Monaco Football Club, | 0:35:19 | 0:35:24 | |
bought art from this man, Yves Bouvier, | 0:35:24 | 0:35:27 | |
an art dealer who runs the storage facility the Geneva Freeport. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:32 | |
So, Bouvier is in this position of knowing what everybody is storing | 0:35:32 | 0:35:36 | |
in Freeport, which gives him really an upper hand, | 0:35:36 | 0:35:39 | |
and then he turns around and sells it | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
for extortionate prices to this unsuspecting Russian. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:46 | |
Bouvier was essentially working as an agent on behalf | 0:35:46 | 0:35:50 | |
of this wealthy collector, and was guiding him on what to buy | 0:35:50 | 0:35:53 | |
and also able to acquire things that weren't for sale. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:57 | |
So he felt they had a really symbiotic relationship | 0:35:57 | 0:36:00 | |
and he understood he would take a cut. That's normal, | 0:36:00 | 0:36:02 | |
but a cut that might be a few percentage points | 0:36:02 | 0:36:05 | |
instead of something like 50%. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
Bouvier sold Rybolovlev 2 billion worth of art. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:14 | |
What Rybolovlev didn't know was how much Bouvier had marked up his prices. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:19 | |
Bouvier bought a Gustav Klimt for 127.5 million | 0:36:22 | 0:36:27 | |
and sold it to the Russian for 187 million, | 0:36:27 | 0:36:31 | |
making a profit of 60 million. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:33 | |
Bouvier bought Leonardo da Vinci's Salvatore Mundi | 0:36:35 | 0:36:39 | |
for under 80 million | 0:36:39 | 0:36:41 | |
and sold it for a profit of 47 million. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:45 | |
He also made a massive profit on a Modigliani | 0:36:45 | 0:36:48 | |
he bought from the hedge-funder Steve Cohen. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:52 | |
Then one day the Russian oligarch found himself chatting | 0:36:52 | 0:36:56 | |
to Steve Cohen's art adviser. | 0:36:56 | 0:36:58 | |
A friend of mine called Sandy Heller was at a dinner | 0:37:00 | 0:37:03 | |
sitting next to a Russian fellow called Rybolovlev, | 0:37:03 | 0:37:07 | |
as they are prone to be called. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:09 | |
And Sandy Heller said to Rybolovlev, "What's the last thing you bought?", | 0:37:09 | 0:37:13 | |
which is a conversation which typically transpires | 0:37:13 | 0:37:15 | |
amongst collectors and dealers, and it was a Modigliani painting. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:19 | |
And then Rybolovlev asked Sandy, "What was the last painting you sold?" | 0:37:19 | 0:37:24 | |
and it was also a Modigliani, | 0:37:24 | 0:37:25 | |
which turned out to be the very same painting, so of course, | 0:37:25 | 0:37:28 | |
you don't have to be a detective to figure out | 0:37:28 | 0:37:31 | |
what the next question was, and the Russian, Rybolovlev, asked, | 0:37:31 | 0:37:34 | |
"How much did you sell the painting for?" | 0:37:34 | 0:37:36 | |
The wealthy collector may have no idea what the value of a work should be. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:46 | |
They know they want in, they know they want famous names. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:49 | |
They actually like, to a certain extent, | 0:37:49 | 0:37:51 | |
the high price tag that they're expected to pay, | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
but they also don't want to be screwed over. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:56 | |
Rybolovlev is now suing Bouvier for fraud, | 0:37:56 | 0:38:00 | |
but in a world which runs on word of mouth rather than paperwork, | 0:38:00 | 0:38:04 | |
he is not thought to have a very strong case. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:07 | |
At one point, Rybolovlev turned around to Bouvier and he said, | 0:38:07 | 0:38:11 | |
"You've charged me... Your fee is the price of a Boeing!" | 0:38:11 | 0:38:14 | |
In terms of the collectors and the dealers, this is a rich man's game, | 0:38:17 | 0:38:21 | |
so it's not like eradicating child labour. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:24 | |
1,490 is here. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:26 | |
£1,490,000. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:29 | |
And so there isn't a real moral imperative | 0:38:29 | 0:38:32 | |
to clean this business up, you know? | 0:38:32 | 0:38:34 | |
If a billionaire gets ripped off slightly, there aren't going to be | 0:38:34 | 0:38:37 | |
many people crying about it over their cornflakes. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
£1,500,000. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:42 | |
Last chance, selling at... | 0:38:42 | 0:38:44 | |
And it is indeed a murky old game. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:48 | |
We start the bidding at 1.5. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:50 | |
1.6, 1.7 already. 1,700,000. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:52 | |
So, here's my next paradoxical piece of advice. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:57 | |
At 2 million, then, are we all done? | 0:38:57 | 0:38:59 | |
The art that goes up in value | 0:39:05 | 0:39:08 | |
is produced by a small group of artists. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:11 | |
Collectors compete to own them, and so prices rise. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:15 | |
This is a big one. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:18 | |
We have three auctions taking place this week alone. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:21 | |
The Peter Doig is sort of the marquee painting of the week. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:24 | |
It's the one that really defines the kinds of things we're trying to do. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:28 | |
Now, the principle here is the opposite to that which you would | 0:39:28 | 0:39:31 | |
normally follow in capitalism. | 0:39:31 | 0:39:34 | |
Don't look for the bargain. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:36 | |
It often pays to pay over the odds. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:40 | |
The market today where works are most in demand | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
and where price rises are highest is the so-called trophy market. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:47 | |
This is a big investment at £9 million, | 0:39:47 | 0:39:49 | |
but I personally believe that is a great investment, | 0:39:49 | 0:39:52 | |
because Peter Doig is an artist who is now firmly established in art history. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:57 | |
He's somebody who I think defines his time. | 0:39:57 | 0:39:59 | |
Peter Doig is a great example of how you can go | 0:39:59 | 0:40:04 | |
from being a 1,000 artist to an 11 million artist. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:09 | |
It's completely abstract up close, but when you come further back, | 0:40:09 | 0:40:13 | |
the view comes into reality. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:14 | |
In the past 25 years, he...you know, | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
getting a good US dealer, having Charles Saatchi interested in him, | 0:40:19 | 0:40:24 | |
selling a work to the Museum of Modern Art in New York, | 0:40:24 | 0:40:28 | |
being in the Whitney Biennial... | 0:40:28 | 0:40:30 | |
I was completely drawn to this. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:32 | |
This one little area of blue here. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:35 | |
The apotheosis of Peter Doig was selling at an auction | 0:40:35 | 0:40:38 | |
full of Russians in 2006, | 0:40:38 | 0:40:40 | |
when the Russians were very much a part of the market, | 0:40:40 | 0:40:43 | |
and suddenly he's worth, you know, 11 million. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:46 | |
Little bits of gloss, | 0:40:46 | 0:40:49 | |
which is created by a medium. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:51 | |
A medium in the paint. Which comes across like the sap in the tree. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:54 | |
I always think it's best to buy quality over quantity. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:58 | |
So if you've got a budget of, say, £15 million, | 0:40:58 | 0:41:02 | |
I'd rather buy two amazing paintings than buy 15 average paintings. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:06 | |
And here, you know you're buying one of the best there is. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:10 | |
The wealth in the world is just beyond our... | 0:41:20 | 0:41:22 | |
I mean, I'm personally not in the league, but I advise people who are. | 0:41:22 | 0:41:26 | |
Would you care for a glass of Champagne, sir? | 0:41:34 | 0:41:36 | |
I mean, I remember somebody in Russia and he said to me, he said, | 0:41:36 | 0:41:40 | |
"Philip, come and have a look in my drawing room, | 0:41:40 | 0:41:43 | |
"I'd like to show you my room," and he said, | 0:41:43 | 0:41:46 | |
"Over there there's a five, a ten, a 20, a five and a three." | 0:41:46 | 0:41:49 | |
And he went, "Look around the room," and I wondered what on earth we were talking about. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:54 | |
And suddenly you are then trying to work out whether it was thousands, | 0:41:54 | 0:41:58 | |
hundreds of thousands or millions. | 0:41:58 | 0:41:59 | |
And then I realised that he liked to describe his pictures by millions. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:03 | |
"That's a five million, that's a 20 million, that's a three million." | 0:42:03 | 0:42:07 | |
And people are buying art because of ego, | 0:42:07 | 0:42:09 | |
because they see their biggest competitor buying art | 0:42:09 | 0:42:13 | |
and they want to spend more and show that they can be more macho. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:16 | |
And that's one of the reasons why some world-record prices are paid. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:20 | |
We will always see that power play come in. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:23 | |
There's been a lot of talk in recent years about how daftly expensive | 0:42:23 | 0:42:27 | |
contemporary art is. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:30 | |
"You can buy a masterpiece from the past for half the price | 0:42:30 | 0:42:33 | |
"of a Basquiat," they say. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:34 | |
"That proves how inflated the market is, rah, rah, rah." | 0:42:34 | 0:42:38 | |
Nonsense. Contemporary art, rest assured, | 0:42:38 | 0:42:42 | |
has been daftly expensive at certain times before. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:46 | |
In their own day, Turners cost as much as Titians. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:50 | |
What he's painting is the Thames at Richmond, from Richmond Hill, | 0:42:50 | 0:42:55 | |
dressed up as a French landscape | 0:42:55 | 0:42:57 | |
with a few dancing figures in the middle ground. | 0:42:57 | 0:43:01 | |
He put a price of 300 guineas on this when it was offered for sale | 0:43:01 | 0:43:05 | |
at the Royal Academy. | 0:43:05 | 0:43:08 | |
Around the same time, the Titian Noli Me Tangere | 0:43:08 | 0:43:12 | |
was sold at auction for 330 guineas, | 0:43:12 | 0:43:15 | |
so the level that Turner seemed to be pricing himself on | 0:43:15 | 0:43:19 | |
is at the level of a huge masterpiece. | 0:43:19 | 0:43:23 | |
Quite extraordinary. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:24 | |
It happened in late Georgian England, | 0:43:25 | 0:43:28 | |
when Benjamin West was priced above Leonardo. | 0:43:28 | 0:43:32 | |
It happened in Victorian London and Victorian Paris. | 0:43:32 | 0:43:36 | |
In Paris, by 1890, Millais and Meissonier | 0:43:36 | 0:43:39 | |
had been priced up to the level of ten Michelangelos, | 0:43:39 | 0:43:45 | |
taking the base price there, | 0:43:45 | 0:43:47 | |
the £2,000 that was paid by the National Gallery in 1868 | 0:43:47 | 0:43:52 | |
for Michelangelo's Entombment. | 0:43:52 | 0:43:55 | |
You get what you pay for. | 0:43:55 | 0:43:57 | |
Don't be a cheapskate! | 0:43:57 | 0:43:59 | |
Now, listening to this, | 0:44:02 | 0:44:03 | |
you might think that if you should pay a lot for trophy works of art, | 0:44:03 | 0:44:07 | |
that would mean buying the rarest of masterpieces. | 0:44:07 | 0:44:11 | |
But that is not quite how the art market works. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:15 | |
This is a work of art by the Chinese contemporary artist Ai Weiwei, | 0:44:22 | 0:44:27 | |
perhaps the most famous artist in the world. | 0:44:27 | 0:44:30 | |
It consists of millions of handmade porcelain sunflower seeds | 0:44:30 | 0:44:34 | |
and has been described as a work about craft and individualism. | 0:44:34 | 0:44:39 | |
For this auction, we've tried to bring together a group of Ai Weiweis | 0:44:40 | 0:44:44 | |
and we have a watermelon ceramic, | 0:44:44 | 0:44:47 | |
we have a Coca-Cola vase... | 0:44:47 | 0:44:49 | |
Next, the Coca-Cola vase. | 0:44:49 | 0:44:51 | |
200,000. | 0:44:51 | 0:44:52 | |
Somebody jumping in here? | 0:44:52 | 0:44:53 | |
And we have this, the Grapes. | 0:44:53 | 0:44:55 | |
The price point here is £350,000 to £450,000. | 0:44:55 | 0:44:59 | |
£350,000 for the Ai Weiwei stools, 350,000 I'm selling. | 0:44:59 | 0:45:03 | |
380 will be next. | 0:45:03 | 0:45:04 | |
Ai Weiwei makes what the art world calls "series of works". | 0:45:04 | 0:45:10 | |
These watermelons follow the Chinese tradition | 0:45:10 | 0:45:14 | |
of mimicking organic forms. | 0:45:14 | 0:45:16 | |
The bicycles nostalgically celebrate | 0:45:16 | 0:45:18 | |
the popular form of transport under communism. | 0:45:18 | 0:45:20 | |
Here, he applies principles of geometry and abstraction | 0:45:22 | 0:45:25 | |
to traditional vases and stools. | 0:45:25 | 0:45:28 | |
He has made different kinds of amalgamations of different kinds of | 0:45:29 | 0:45:32 | |
historical furniture and there are four or five pieces in the Royal | 0:45:32 | 0:45:35 | |
Academy show. One that's not dissimilar to this. | 0:45:35 | 0:45:38 | |
Ironically, another one is up the road at Sotheby's. | 0:45:38 | 0:45:43 | |
When Francis says he has "made", that's slightly misleading. | 0:45:43 | 0:45:47 | |
Like other contemporary artists who make series of works, | 0:45:47 | 0:45:50 | |
Ai Weiwei has a large studio with scores of assistants | 0:45:50 | 0:45:54 | |
and sometimes hundreds of craftsmen who make the art for him. | 0:45:54 | 0:45:58 | |
It is an interesting thing, it's sort of the Andy Warhol question, | 0:46:00 | 0:46:03 | |
you know? People always said, so many works, how can they hold their value? | 0:46:03 | 0:46:06 | |
And actually, it's the fact these works have been spread | 0:46:06 | 0:46:09 | |
all over the world now | 0:46:09 | 0:46:10 | |
and collectors can see them everywhere | 0:46:10 | 0:46:12 | |
and in their friends' homes, that's actually made them more valuable. | 0:46:12 | 0:46:15 | |
One misconception you may have about collecting is that you should buy | 0:46:17 | 0:46:21 | |
something unique that has been made by the artist's hand. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:25 | |
Isn't that what makes art so valuable? | 0:46:26 | 0:46:29 | |
Well, art collectors and market analysts say...not necessarily. | 0:46:30 | 0:46:35 | |
One of the strengths of Damien Hirst's series | 0:46:36 | 0:46:39 | |
of dots and spin paintings | 0:46:39 | 0:46:41 | |
is that most self-respecting collectors would expect to hold | 0:46:41 | 0:46:46 | |
at least one of those works in their vestibule | 0:46:46 | 0:46:49 | |
or in their living room, and it would be | 0:46:49 | 0:46:51 | |
almost a rite of passage into the contemporary art world. | 0:46:51 | 0:46:54 | |
Some market analysts foolishly suggest that the repetitive artist | 0:46:56 | 0:47:00 | |
whose assistants make the work is a new and temporary phenomenon. | 0:47:00 | 0:47:05 | |
But once again, plus ca change. | 0:47:05 | 0:47:08 | |
Canaletto set up practice here in Britain in 1746 | 0:47:10 | 0:47:15 | |
and was as successful as he had been in his many years at Venice. | 0:47:15 | 0:47:20 | |
It's astonishing how well planned, | 0:47:20 | 0:47:23 | |
what a clever businessman Canaletto was and how popular he was. | 0:47:23 | 0:47:29 | |
During his stay in Britain, Canaletto was very active | 0:47:30 | 0:47:33 | |
and very prolific, coming on to nearly 100 pictures | 0:47:33 | 0:47:36 | |
painted over nine years, which, you know, some of those canvases | 0:47:36 | 0:47:40 | |
are pretty big things. | 0:47:40 | 0:47:42 | |
It was to some extent almost an assembly-line attitude. | 0:47:44 | 0:47:49 | |
Yes, you have a master, in our case, Canaletto, who has the vision, | 0:47:49 | 0:47:54 | |
who creates the ideas behind the picture, | 0:47:54 | 0:47:57 | |
and there is an agenda in every Canaletto picture, | 0:47:57 | 0:48:00 | |
they are not just pretty views. | 0:48:00 | 0:48:02 | |
But to achieve this, | 0:48:02 | 0:48:04 | |
particularly to achieve the vast numbers of canvases that Canaletto | 0:48:04 | 0:48:07 | |
created, of course, you need a studio behind you. | 0:48:07 | 0:48:10 | |
And the same had happened for the past two centuries going back before. | 0:48:10 | 0:48:14 | |
A lot of the characters we see from canvas to canvas | 0:48:16 | 0:48:20 | |
are actually the same people. | 0:48:20 | 0:48:22 | |
He has a stock cast of characters he re-employs in lots of his pictures. | 0:48:22 | 0:48:26 | |
It's not the Hollywood depiction of the great tortured artist | 0:48:26 | 0:48:31 | |
who is creating everything on his or her own. | 0:48:31 | 0:48:34 | |
Really, art practice in the 18th and 19th century, | 0:48:34 | 0:48:37 | |
particularly, say, in the mid 18th century, | 0:48:37 | 0:48:39 | |
was a collaborative one. | 0:48:39 | 0:48:42 | |
Oddly enough, I think we are in certain circumstances in the 20th | 0:48:42 | 0:48:46 | |
and 21st centuries returning to that idea of 18th-century practice. | 0:48:46 | 0:48:51 | |
So the workshops of people like Jeff Koons, Damien Hirst and so forth | 0:48:51 | 0:48:54 | |
are very similar to the workshops of Canaletto. | 0:48:54 | 0:48:57 | |
As a banker, you will recognise a potential problem | 0:48:59 | 0:49:03 | |
with the market which favours production-line art. | 0:49:03 | 0:49:06 | |
It's easy for mass production to become overproduction | 0:49:06 | 0:49:10 | |
and then for supply to outstrip demand. | 0:49:10 | 0:49:14 | |
How do you protect yourself against that? | 0:49:14 | 0:49:17 | |
The advice you usually hear from the art world is to focus | 0:49:29 | 0:49:33 | |
on just a few artists and buy their work in depth. | 0:49:33 | 0:49:37 | |
Sometimes, one... | 0:49:37 | 0:49:40 | |
can have a very big windfall in the sense there will be | 0:49:40 | 0:49:44 | |
one particular artist you bought several years ago | 0:49:44 | 0:49:47 | |
and suddenly the value rises considerably, and you are sitting on | 0:49:47 | 0:49:50 | |
what would potentially be a big profit. | 0:49:50 | 0:49:53 | |
David Roberts is a property developer, | 0:49:54 | 0:49:57 | |
thought to be worth over £150 million. | 0:49:57 | 0:50:00 | |
He has his own private museum in London. | 0:50:00 | 0:50:03 | |
I collect primarily because I like the art and I love the art. | 0:50:05 | 0:50:10 | |
And I very, very rarely sell anything. | 0:50:10 | 0:50:14 | |
There's over 2,000 works of art in the collection. | 0:50:14 | 0:50:18 | |
I can't imagine I've probably sold more than 15 or 20 things | 0:50:18 | 0:50:22 | |
in my life, so it's not a big part of what I do. | 0:50:22 | 0:50:24 | |
But buying art is not so very different | 0:50:26 | 0:50:29 | |
from investing in stocks and shares. | 0:50:29 | 0:50:31 | |
The art market is unpredictable and volatile. | 0:50:31 | 0:50:35 | |
You know, I always tell collectors to figure out | 0:50:37 | 0:50:40 | |
what their throwaway number is. | 0:50:40 | 0:50:41 | |
One million and one, one million and two already... | 0:50:41 | 0:50:44 | |
Is it 25,000, is it 10,000? | 0:50:44 | 0:50:47 | |
At what point are you going to not care if nothing ever happens to it? | 0:50:47 | 0:50:51 | |
For some people, it's 1 million. | 0:50:51 | 0:50:54 | |
Three million, one. Three million, two. | 0:50:54 | 0:50:58 | |
Three million, three. | 0:50:58 | 0:50:59 | |
People look at these auction prices and say, | 0:50:59 | 0:51:02 | |
"Well, if you bought a Picasso, | 0:51:02 | 0:51:04 | |
"it compounded at 12% a year for 80 years." | 0:51:04 | 0:51:08 | |
But if you bought five other paintings by people who are not Picasso, | 0:51:08 | 0:51:13 | |
at that period in 1935, | 0:51:13 | 0:51:16 | |
you wouldn't have earned 12% on the whole group of them. | 0:51:16 | 0:51:20 | |
Only on the Picasso. | 0:51:20 | 0:51:22 | |
Thank you. | 0:51:22 | 0:51:24 | |
Listening to this, you might be thinking, right, | 0:51:24 | 0:51:27 | |
so I have to make sure I buy the Picasso and not the other five guys. | 0:51:27 | 0:51:31 | |
Or girls. | 0:51:31 | 0:51:33 | |
Wrong! The answer is, don't stop at five. | 0:51:33 | 0:51:37 | |
It's random, because I have bought works by many, many artists | 0:51:40 | 0:51:44 | |
that were meant to be the next hot thing. | 0:51:44 | 0:51:47 | |
Or artists who have become the hot thing | 0:51:47 | 0:51:50 | |
and then it's tailed off and gone downhill slightly. | 0:51:50 | 0:51:53 | |
Look, it's the psychology. | 0:51:56 | 0:51:57 | |
If you buy a painting and instead of going | 0:51:57 | 0:52:01 | |
to do something else with your life, | 0:52:01 | 0:52:03 | |
you buy this picture and you hang it on the wall and you're checking the | 0:52:03 | 0:52:07 | |
prices and you see them going down, | 0:52:07 | 0:52:09 | |
going to be hard not to like it less and less. | 0:52:09 | 0:52:12 | |
But as the price goes up, then, you're so smart, "Oh, I'm so great, | 0:52:12 | 0:52:15 | |
"I have a great eye, I've figured it out, I'm so clever!" | 0:52:15 | 0:52:19 | |
7,750,000, 8 million. | 0:52:19 | 0:52:22 | |
8,250,000... | 0:52:22 | 0:52:24 | |
Even the biggest and most experienced art dealers | 0:52:24 | 0:52:28 | |
have lost money - a lot of money - | 0:52:28 | 0:52:29 | |
on some of the work they have collected. | 0:52:29 | 0:52:32 | |
15 million, five. 16 million. | 0:52:32 | 0:52:34 | |
We've been in this market now for 15 years. Of all the deals we've done, | 0:52:34 | 0:52:39 | |
we've made money on 97% of the art, we've lost money on 3%. | 0:52:39 | 0:52:43 | |
To give you an idea of an artist we've lost money on, | 0:52:43 | 0:52:45 | |
it was a Chinese contemporary artist where we thought we were being | 0:52:45 | 0:52:49 | |
very clever and going in alongside two or three of the major | 0:52:49 | 0:52:54 | |
US and UK and Chinese galleries into that particular artist. | 0:52:54 | 0:52:58 | |
We invested into three works of art at around 200,000 each. | 0:52:58 | 0:53:03 | |
One we sold for 220, the other sold for 180, so we lost 20,000, | 0:53:03 | 0:53:08 | |
and the other we sold for 50,000, so we lost 75%. | 0:53:08 | 0:53:12 | |
That is exactly the bid I wanted to see. | 0:53:12 | 0:53:14 | |
And that's 642. Thank you. | 0:53:14 | 0:53:16 | |
So, successful investors, | 0:53:16 | 0:53:19 | |
instead of concentrating on a few artists, spread their risk. | 0:53:19 | 0:53:23 | |
When I go forward in my collecting, | 0:53:23 | 0:53:27 | |
I always try to swing very hard | 0:53:27 | 0:53:29 | |
and I try to hit the ball out of the park. | 0:53:29 | 0:53:32 | |
I might miss, but I have big eyes and big ambition. | 0:53:32 | 0:53:35 | |
And that didn't make me right. | 0:53:35 | 0:53:37 | |
I ended up buying a lot of things that no-one else wanted. | 0:53:37 | 0:53:41 | |
But often in any collection that I've seen, including my own, | 0:53:41 | 0:53:45 | |
of let's say, 50 things, two or three things shoot the moon. | 0:53:45 | 0:53:51 | |
Ultimately that makes up for the rest. | 0:53:51 | 0:53:54 | |
If you throw an enormous fishing net out and you catch everything, | 0:54:02 | 0:54:08 | |
whether you are looking for the good stuff or not, | 0:54:08 | 0:54:11 | |
it's going to be there and the rest you can just chuck back. | 0:54:11 | 0:54:15 | |
It doesn't matter. | 0:54:15 | 0:54:16 | |
Tonight, there is an opening at the Lisson, | 0:54:21 | 0:54:23 | |
one of the world's most revered art galleries. | 0:54:23 | 0:54:26 | |
In the 1970s, it pioneered the new work of minimalists and conceptualists. | 0:54:27 | 0:54:33 | |
It has furthered the careers of million-dollar art stars, | 0:54:33 | 0:54:37 | |
but it has also shown many others who are almost forgotten today. | 0:54:37 | 0:54:42 | |
Some of it's worthless, | 0:54:42 | 0:54:44 | |
some of it has just kept up with inflation | 0:54:44 | 0:54:47 | |
and some of it's priceless. | 0:54:47 | 0:54:49 | |
If you'd been collecting from the Lisson for 50 years and had spread | 0:54:49 | 0:54:53 | |
your risk, you could have an impressive return. | 0:54:53 | 0:54:57 | |
If you put the sum total of all the works the Lisson Gallery has sold | 0:54:57 | 0:55:01 | |
over the last nearly five decades... | 0:55:01 | 0:55:06 | |
..it probably runs to 1 billion or more, | 0:55:09 | 0:55:13 | |
and if you put that all together, | 0:55:13 | 0:55:18 | |
hypothetically, and there was the mother of auctions, of all of it, | 0:55:18 | 0:55:23 | |
you would see probably about 20 or 30 billion back. | 0:55:23 | 0:55:27 | |
One of the newest trends in the art world is the emergence | 0:55:29 | 0:55:32 | |
of a new generation of abstract artists. | 0:55:32 | 0:55:36 | |
Like many other dealers and collectors, | 0:55:36 | 0:55:38 | |
Kenny Schachter has bought into some of them. | 0:55:38 | 0:55:40 | |
I have these paintings by Lucien Smith | 0:55:43 | 0:55:46 | |
and I very much stand behind them and like them as art. | 0:55:46 | 0:55:49 | |
He must have been around 23 or 24 when he was creating | 0:55:49 | 0:55:52 | |
this series of works called Rain Paintings, | 0:55:52 | 0:55:54 | |
of which these two paintings are part of. | 0:55:54 | 0:55:57 | |
What he did was find the way to compress paint | 0:55:57 | 0:56:00 | |
into a fire extinguisher and then literally squirt them out | 0:56:00 | 0:56:03 | |
over canvases. | 0:56:03 | 0:56:04 | |
These are two small iterations of the works. | 0:56:04 | 0:56:07 | |
But let's say he has made about 300 of them of various sizes. | 0:56:07 | 0:56:11 | |
Sometimes the colours vary only slightly to blue, yellow or black, | 0:56:11 | 0:56:15 | |
and his first paintings that came to auction when he was in his 20s | 0:56:15 | 0:56:19 | |
zoomed right up to 400,000. | 0:56:19 | 0:56:22 | |
Since then they've taken a rather precipitous drop | 0:56:22 | 0:56:25 | |
along with many of the other practitioners of this kind of work. | 0:56:25 | 0:56:28 | |
I mean, I think these are attractive. | 0:56:28 | 0:56:31 | |
They pleasantly fit in between these curtains in my house. | 0:56:31 | 0:56:35 | |
I bought them about two years ago. | 0:56:35 | 0:56:37 | |
I paid 130,000 for the pair of these paintings. | 0:56:37 | 0:56:40 | |
And today I would say they are worth around... | 0:56:40 | 0:56:44 | |
8,000-10,000 a painting. | 0:56:44 | 0:56:46 | |
You can't win them all. | 0:56:46 | 0:56:48 | |
But wisely, Lucien Smith was not the only new abstract painter | 0:56:49 | 0:56:53 | |
that Schachter had been buying. | 0:56:53 | 0:56:55 | |
This is a work of a 42-year-old American artist, Joe Bradley. | 0:56:58 | 0:57:02 | |
I began working with him in around 2001-2002, | 0:57:02 | 0:57:06 | |
an abstract painter and he also did some performance work. | 0:57:06 | 0:57:09 | |
He had a band called Cheeseburger, | 0:57:09 | 0:57:11 | |
in which he was as sloppy at singing as this painting looks. | 0:57:11 | 0:57:15 | |
So I can understand as a layperson, or someone not involved | 0:57:15 | 0:57:19 | |
in the day-to-day goings-on of the art world, | 0:57:19 | 0:57:22 | |
and you come and you see a painting like this and it's not even | 0:57:22 | 0:57:25 | |
a situation of someone to say, "Oh, my kid could do a better job than this." | 0:57:25 | 0:57:28 | |
This is worse. | 0:57:28 | 0:57:30 | |
You have to remember, artists constantly have to wrestle | 0:57:30 | 0:57:33 | |
with these issues, how do you address a white canvas? | 0:57:33 | 0:57:36 | |
And how do you do something new that hasn't been done before? | 0:57:36 | 0:57:40 | |
The marks are exquisite, the way the surface of the canvas, | 0:57:40 | 0:57:43 | |
all of these little creases | 0:57:43 | 0:57:45 | |
and the way they are not stretched perfectly, | 0:57:45 | 0:57:47 | |
it's sort of striving for imperfection and finding the beauty | 0:57:47 | 0:57:51 | |
in the ugly-fication of painting. | 0:57:51 | 0:57:54 | |
I remember first seeing his paintings and I was drawn to | 0:57:54 | 0:57:57 | |
what I call "good bad art". | 0:57:57 | 0:57:59 | |
There was something so wrong about them that I felt compelled | 0:57:59 | 0:58:03 | |
to get involved with this artist. | 0:58:03 | 0:58:05 | |
What lurks behind the canvas is something entirely different. | 0:58:05 | 0:58:09 | |
The paintings were all between 1,000-2,000 | 0:58:09 | 0:58:11 | |
and I was the only buyer of any of the paintings. | 0:58:11 | 0:58:14 | |
In fact, I bought all of the paintings and still have them. | 0:58:14 | 0:58:17 | |
Over the course of 12 years, | 0:58:17 | 0:58:19 | |
the last major painting of Joe's to come at auction sold for 3 million. | 0:58:19 | 0:58:23 | |
If you are neither a lover or a gambler, carry on. | 0:58:25 | 0:58:29 | |
It's not for you. | 0:58:29 | 0:58:31 | |
Now, let me assume a few things again. | 0:58:33 | 0:58:37 | |
You have become an established collector | 0:58:37 | 0:58:40 | |
with over 50 works of art in your collection. | 0:58:40 | 0:58:43 | |
People know you in the art world and auction rooms. | 0:58:43 | 0:58:46 | |
You have your own storage facility for all the stuff you have bought | 0:58:46 | 0:58:50 | |
that doesn't fit into your luxury penthouse or on your yacht. | 0:58:50 | 0:58:55 | |
It's now time to learn how to minimise the cost | 0:58:55 | 0:58:58 | |
of the art you have bought so far. | 0:58:58 | 0:59:00 | |
£8 million. | 0:59:07 | 0:59:09 | |
At £8 million. | 0:59:09 | 0:59:11 | |
There are certain aspects of today's art market which are new. | 0:59:11 | 0:59:15 | |
50 years ago, the world did not have a global network of tax havens | 0:59:15 | 0:59:20 | |
and collectors could not take advantage of the benefits they offered. | 0:59:20 | 0:59:25 | |
In those early days, | 0:59:25 | 0:59:26 | |
it was difficult to avoid the many ways art is taxed. | 0:59:26 | 0:59:30 | |
Living with art costs money and that price can be anywhere from 7% or 8% | 0:59:30 | 0:59:35 | |
to 50% in South America for value added tax. | 0:59:35 | 0:59:39 | |
So, if you want to import art into your home, | 0:59:39 | 0:59:42 | |
you either pay VAT or, in America, | 0:59:42 | 0:59:44 | |
you are responsible for paying sales tax. | 0:59:44 | 0:59:47 | |
But with the correct offshore financial planning, | 0:59:47 | 0:59:50 | |
you can optimise the tax position of your art collection. | 0:59:50 | 0:59:54 | |
You should begin by moving your art abroad, | 0:59:54 | 0:59:57 | |
to special tax-free lock-ups | 0:59:57 | 0:59:59 | |
known as free ports, located in Geneva, Luxembourg or Singapore. | 0:59:59 | 1:00:04 | |
Free port is a kind of nether world. | 1:00:05 | 1:00:08 | |
It's not really part of any country, | 1:00:08 | 1:00:11 | |
so if you dispatch some art to a free port in Switzerland | 1:00:11 | 1:00:15 | |
or Luxembourg, it hasn't really arrived in those countries, | 1:00:15 | 1:00:19 | |
so import duties and that kind of tax aren't payable. | 1:00:19 | 1:00:23 | |
If you go to the free port in Luxembourg, for example, | 1:00:23 | 1:00:26 | |
it looks like a massive high security prison. | 1:00:26 | 1:00:28 | |
It happens that the back door, or maybe the front door, | 1:00:29 | 1:00:32 | |
is actually in the grounds of the airport, so when goods pass into it, | 1:00:32 | 1:00:38 | |
they don't count as having arrived in the country itself, | 1:00:38 | 1:00:41 | |
so there are no import duties payable, | 1:00:41 | 1:00:43 | |
and it suits a lot of people to keep | 1:00:43 | 1:00:46 | |
their art there for quite a long time. | 1:00:46 | 1:00:49 | |
There is another tax advantage to offshoring your art, | 1:00:49 | 1:00:52 | |
this time when it comes to selling. | 1:00:52 | 1:00:55 | |
To benefit from it, you first need to set up | 1:00:55 | 1:00:58 | |
an offshore shell company or trust. | 1:00:58 | 1:01:00 | |
If you were to sell it to a third party, | 1:01:00 | 1:01:02 | |
you might have a tax bill. | 1:01:02 | 1:01:04 | |
You probably would have a big tax bill to pay on it. | 1:01:04 | 1:01:07 | |
But if you sold it to your shell company | 1:01:07 | 1:01:11 | |
at the price you paid for it, | 1:01:11 | 1:01:13 | |
you could tell the tax authority that you haven't actually made | 1:01:13 | 1:01:16 | |
any money, and then when the shell company sells it on... | 1:01:16 | 1:01:20 | |
erm, it would make the gain | 1:01:20 | 1:01:22 | |
and it wouldn't have to tell the tax authority. | 1:01:22 | 1:01:24 | |
Now, that wouldn't...be legal... | 1:01:24 | 1:01:28 | |
but it would be up to you to choose what you reported | 1:01:28 | 1:01:30 | |
to the tax authority. | 1:01:30 | 1:01:32 | |
Zero taxes aren't the only upside. | 1:01:32 | 1:01:35 | |
Holding your art offshore in a free port | 1:01:35 | 1:01:38 | |
means your wealth is highly portable. | 1:01:38 | 1:01:41 | |
The benefits of this rarely come to light, because they're all based on | 1:01:41 | 1:01:45 | |
privacy, but occasionally the attempts of law enforcement officers | 1:01:45 | 1:01:49 | |
to stop these activities shine a light on how it is done. | 1:01:49 | 1:01:54 | |
I mean, there's the man who just put the Picasso on his yacht | 1:01:54 | 1:01:56 | |
and floated away from Spain. | 1:01:56 | 1:01:58 | |
The Spanish police took the Picasso to Madrid under armed guard. | 1:02:00 | 1:02:04 | |
REPORTER SPEAKS SPANISH | 1:02:04 | 1:02:06 | |
It had been found on a yacht belonging to Jaime Botin, | 1:02:08 | 1:02:12 | |
scion of the Spanish Santander banking dynasty. | 1:02:12 | 1:02:15 | |
The police say Botin was trying to smuggle the picture out of Spain. | 1:02:19 | 1:02:23 | |
Botin says he only owned it indirectly | 1:02:23 | 1:02:26 | |
through a company located in the tax haven of Panama. | 1:02:26 | 1:02:31 | |
It seems to me like he's in his right, but they're trying to bring | 1:02:31 | 1:02:34 | |
it back, so the Picasso was worth, I guess, | 1:02:34 | 1:02:38 | |
according to the art newspaper, 30 million. Maybe more. | 1:02:38 | 1:02:42 | |
It's worth more than the boat. | 1:02:42 | 1:02:43 | |
The little thing that's hanging on this 150-foot yacht is worth more | 1:02:44 | 1:02:49 | |
than the boat and all the people on it. | 1:02:49 | 1:02:51 | |
Kind of funny. And he's trying to get the hell out of Spain | 1:02:52 | 1:02:55 | |
and they're trying to bring him back. | 1:02:55 | 1:02:57 | |
So...what was the question? | 1:02:59 | 1:03:01 | |
I daresay that if the authorities clamped down on money laundering | 1:03:01 | 1:03:05 | |
or elusive capital flows, | 1:03:05 | 1:03:07 | |
that would have as big an impact on the art market | 1:03:07 | 1:03:09 | |
as the stock market crash. | 1:03:09 | 1:03:11 | |
At 76 million. | 1:03:11 | 1:03:13 | |
Minimising the tax exposure of your collection is one side of the coin. | 1:03:13 | 1:03:18 | |
The other is maximising its resale value. | 1:03:18 | 1:03:22 | |
At 77 million. Thank you. | 1:03:22 | 1:03:25 | |
APPLAUSE | 1:03:25 | 1:03:26 | |
MUSIC: The Blue Danube by Johann Strauss II | 1:03:34 | 1:03:38 | |
There's a pass, so we'll break for just two minutes, | 1:03:45 | 1:03:47 | |
ladies and gentlemen. | 1:03:47 | 1:03:48 | |
The key to making your art worth totally implausible sums | 1:03:48 | 1:03:52 | |
is the art market's absence of rules. | 1:03:52 | 1:03:55 | |
There has always been a code of silence and a gentleman's agreement | 1:03:57 | 1:04:02 | |
within the art trade and it actually has a cultural history dating back | 1:04:02 | 1:04:06 | |
to the 18th century. | 1:04:06 | 1:04:09 | |
The feudal system was over. | 1:04:09 | 1:04:10 | |
The aristocracy had to figure out how to make a living, | 1:04:10 | 1:04:13 | |
so they started to sell off their art collections, titles and castles. | 1:04:13 | 1:04:17 | |
But they didn't want to make public their financial strengths, | 1:04:17 | 1:04:21 | |
so Christie's and Sotheby's developed a system in which | 1:04:21 | 1:04:24 | |
they would list a work of art as property of a lady | 1:04:24 | 1:04:27 | |
or property of a gentleman, but that code of secrecy was important | 1:04:27 | 1:04:33 | |
early on and is still maintained to this day. | 1:04:33 | 1:04:35 | |
Here it is. Lady's bid, she has it now. | 1:04:44 | 1:04:46 | |
Would you like to come in, sir? | 1:04:46 | 1:04:48 | |
Are you sure? Thank you for the bidding. 360 is here. | 1:04:48 | 1:04:50 | |
The first lot of tonight's sale, selling, then, at 360. | 1:04:50 | 1:04:54 | |
It is, for me, the last of the, sort of, unregulated markets out there. | 1:04:54 | 1:04:58 | |
In a way, it's what makes the industry exciting. | 1:04:58 | 1:05:01 | |
This is an industry that attracts the good, the bad and the ugly. | 1:05:01 | 1:05:04 | |
'I think the art market is the most opaque market of all.' | 1:05:05 | 1:05:12 | |
I think it suits a lot of people to keep it opaque. | 1:05:12 | 1:05:15 | |
I think a lot of money has been made in the art market because one person | 1:05:15 | 1:05:19 | |
knows something that someone else doesn't know. | 1:05:19 | 1:05:21 | |
We'll start the bidding at 500. 550 already. 550. 600,000 is bid. | 1:05:23 | 1:05:28 | |
650 in the room. That's 650 already. That's 700,000. 750. | 1:05:28 | 1:05:33 | |
£800,000. 850. | 1:05:33 | 1:05:36 | |
At 950,000. | 1:05:36 | 1:05:38 | |
At one million already. | 1:05:38 | 1:05:39 | |
APPLAUSE | 1:05:39 | 1:05:41 | |
You would not be able to use many of the techniques I will teach you here | 1:05:47 | 1:05:50 | |
on your trading floors without risking ending up in court. | 1:05:50 | 1:05:54 | |
But in the art market, they're common practice, | 1:05:56 | 1:06:00 | |
and their invention can be traced back to a handful of art dealers | 1:06:00 | 1:06:03 | |
of the 19th century. | 1:06:03 | 1:06:05 | |
Among them, Paul Durand-Ruel, | 1:06:05 | 1:06:07 | |
who invented the market in Impressionism. | 1:06:07 | 1:06:10 | |
This is Paul Durand-Ruel, who was my great-grandfather. | 1:06:12 | 1:06:18 | |
He was the first dealer who bought paintings on a regular basis | 1:06:18 | 1:06:24 | |
from the Impressionist painters, | 1:06:24 | 1:06:27 | |
to an extent that he went nearly bankrupt twice in his life. | 1:06:27 | 1:06:34 | |
And after his death, Monet said, "If he had not been there, | 1:06:34 | 1:06:39 | |
"we, the Impressionists, would have starved to death." | 1:06:39 | 1:06:42 | |
In the late 19th and early 20th centuries, | 1:06:45 | 1:06:48 | |
Durand-Ruel bought and sold 12,000 works of art. | 1:06:48 | 1:06:53 | |
His focus was on the young Impressionists, | 1:06:53 | 1:06:56 | |
in whose work he wisely built up a semi-monopoly. | 1:06:56 | 1:06:59 | |
And since this was art, not copper or oil, no-one objected. | 1:06:59 | 1:07:04 | |
During his life, he purchased 2,000 paintings from Renoir, | 1:07:04 | 1:07:10 | |
1,000 from Monet, 400 from Pissarro, | 1:07:10 | 1:07:14 | |
400 from Degas, 200 from Manet. | 1:07:14 | 1:07:20 | |
He loved the Street Singer. | 1:07:20 | 1:07:21 | |
Woman With A Parrot. | 1:07:23 | 1:07:24 | |
The Fifer. | 1:07:26 | 1:07:27 | |
And, slowly, he's going to try and bring the prices up | 1:07:29 | 1:07:33 | |
and to find new collectors. | 1:07:33 | 1:07:35 | |
The American James Sutton, | 1:07:35 | 1:07:37 | |
director of the American Art Association in New York, | 1:07:37 | 1:07:40 | |
asked him to organise the 1886 show in New York. | 1:07:40 | 1:07:43 | |
Durand-Ruel comes with more than 300 works of art. | 1:07:43 | 1:07:47 | |
American clients are going to finally pay good prices | 1:07:47 | 1:07:50 | |
for Impressionist pictures, and Europeans are going to have | 1:07:50 | 1:07:53 | |
a better look, or another look, on these artists | 1:07:53 | 1:07:56 | |
they didn't really like at first. | 1:07:56 | 1:07:57 | |
Pictures purchased by Durand-Ruel for a few hundred French francs | 1:07:57 | 1:08:01 | |
from Renoir will be sold, for example, in 1924 | 1:08:01 | 1:08:05 | |
for more than 100,000. | 1:08:05 | 1:08:07 | |
Durand-Ruel's massive stake in Impressionism | 1:08:09 | 1:08:12 | |
allowed him to limit supply to the market | 1:08:12 | 1:08:15 | |
and therefore influence prices. | 1:08:15 | 1:08:17 | |
The economics are pretty basic - | 1:08:18 | 1:08:20 | |
more demand, less supply, the price goes up. | 1:08:20 | 1:08:23 | |
Paul Durand-Ruel really focused on a few principles, | 1:08:25 | 1:08:28 | |
which were quite innovative at the time. | 1:08:28 | 1:08:30 | |
First, he wanted to have the exclusivity of the productions | 1:08:30 | 1:08:33 | |
of the artists. In exchange, he would give monthly payments | 1:08:33 | 1:08:36 | |
so that the artists could create without the worry of finance, | 1:08:36 | 1:08:39 | |
but would also give all their creation to the dealer. | 1:08:39 | 1:08:42 | |
In that way, he was able to secure the selling prices by having | 1:08:43 | 1:08:48 | |
the whole production. | 1:08:48 | 1:08:49 | |
In today's vast art market, it would be extremely risky | 1:08:51 | 1:08:55 | |
for a new collector to try to follow Durand-Ruel's example | 1:08:55 | 1:08:59 | |
and stockpile new artists no-one else was interested in. | 1:08:59 | 1:09:04 | |
So collectors today have found a safer way to play the game - | 1:09:04 | 1:09:08 | |
by stockpiling already established artists. | 1:09:08 | 1:09:13 | |
Now, there are collectors who... | 1:09:13 | 1:09:14 | |
..are investors. | 1:09:16 | 1:09:17 | |
The Mugrabi family in New York is the best-known example. | 1:09:18 | 1:09:21 | |
They would bid up the price of a Warhol, or of half a dozen other | 1:09:21 | 1:09:25 | |
artists that they have in bulk, to protect the value | 1:09:25 | 1:09:28 | |
of what's in inventory. They're expected to do it. | 1:09:28 | 1:09:31 | |
If you have a small Warhol flower painting... | 1:09:33 | 1:09:36 | |
..it will go for about 1.5 million, | 1:09:37 | 1:09:40 | |
because one of three or four collectors | 1:09:40 | 1:09:42 | |
who have a number of them will bid it up to that amount. | 1:09:42 | 1:09:46 | |
If you own a lot of stuff, it behoves you to keep the prices up | 1:09:46 | 1:09:50 | |
or to support the market that you are so vested in, | 1:09:50 | 1:09:53 | |
so I don't think there's anything wrong with that. | 1:09:53 | 1:09:56 | |
At 720,000. 750 is next. | 1:09:56 | 1:10:00 | |
2 million. 2 million, 1. | 1:10:00 | 1:10:02 | |
Who shouts? Who'd like to bid back there? | 1:10:02 | 1:10:04 | |
Now, before we move on, | 1:10:04 | 1:10:05 | |
there's time for some advanced bidding-up techniques. | 1:10:05 | 1:10:09 | |
8 million, 5. 9 million. 9 million, 5. | 1:10:09 | 1:10:10 | |
10 million. 10 million, 5. | 1:10:10 | 1:10:12 | |
11 million. | 1:10:12 | 1:10:14 | |
Why not try to form alliances - let's not say the word "collude" - | 1:10:14 | 1:10:18 | |
with collectors who are buying the same artist as yourself? | 1:10:18 | 1:10:21 | |
Lady's bid 300,000. Give me 320. | 1:10:21 | 1:10:25 | |
'If a piece is coming up at auction, it's easy enough, | 1:10:25 | 1:10:27 | |
'if I'm selling a painting,' | 1:10:27 | 1:10:29 | |
to have two of my friends in the audience, | 1:10:29 | 1:10:31 | |
bidding up the price of the painting to an artificially high number, | 1:10:31 | 1:10:35 | |
and once you've hit the number of 400, | 1:10:35 | 1:10:37 | |
and if I hold 20 or 30 rain paintings | 1:10:37 | 1:10:40 | |
and the first one goes for 400, | 1:10:40 | 1:10:42 | |
you can understand the notion that everyone piles in | 1:10:42 | 1:10:45 | |
and chucks them into the market and then people participate | 1:10:45 | 1:10:47 | |
on the prices going up. | 1:10:47 | 1:10:49 | |
110 is here. 111. Jump in if you'd like it. 120, 130... | 1:10:49 | 1:10:52 | |
You might not even have to spend your own money | 1:10:52 | 1:10:55 | |
to maintain the value of your art. | 1:10:55 | 1:10:58 | |
Cash doesn't always change hands in apparently expensive deals. | 1:10:58 | 1:11:03 | |
When you have property, you have deed transfers. | 1:11:03 | 1:11:06 | |
You actually have transactions that are set | 1:11:06 | 1:11:09 | |
and you can see where the property traded at. | 1:11:09 | 1:11:11 | |
Your shared transaction, of course, goes on the exchange | 1:11:11 | 1:11:14 | |
and you see a price. | 1:11:14 | 1:11:16 | |
In the art market, you, again, have to take what's told to you | 1:11:16 | 1:11:19 | |
as transaction prices with a large grain of salt, | 1:11:19 | 1:11:22 | |
because there can be financing terms, there can be swaps, | 1:11:22 | 1:11:26 | |
there can be barter. I mean, lots of things can happen | 1:11:26 | 1:11:28 | |
that actually make the economic value of the work | 1:11:28 | 1:11:31 | |
much lower than what's reported. | 1:11:31 | 1:11:33 | |
It's almost always, I can assure you, inflated | 1:11:33 | 1:11:36 | |
to what the reality is. | 1:11:36 | 1:11:38 | |
A market whose prices are inflated by such means is fragile. | 1:11:39 | 1:11:43 | |
It relies on ever-increasing demand and huge confidence in the market. | 1:11:44 | 1:11:49 | |
Neither of these things may last forever. | 1:11:49 | 1:11:52 | |
'One thing I think that people forget | 1:12:04 | 1:12:07 | |
'is that to make money out of art, you don't have to just buy it. | 1:12:07 | 1:12:10 | |
'You have to sell it.' | 1:12:10 | 1:12:13 | |
And that selling at the right time and for the right price | 1:12:13 | 1:12:17 | |
is much, much harder than people believe. | 1:12:17 | 1:12:21 | |
I have, I've...sat next to someone who was selling one of his works | 1:12:21 | 1:12:25 | |
at auction, and he's a very grown-up, very sophisticated, | 1:12:25 | 1:12:29 | |
smart investment banker. | 1:12:29 | 1:12:31 | |
And when this work came up, honestly, | 1:12:31 | 1:12:33 | |
I could almost hear his heart beating. | 1:12:33 | 1:12:35 | |
It's incredibly nerve-racking. | 1:12:35 | 1:12:37 | |
Never forget the risks of buying and selling art. | 1:12:37 | 1:12:42 | |
48,000. | 1:12:42 | 1:12:44 | |
Are you sure? | 1:12:44 | 1:12:46 | |
Publicly, the art world says that a collector should never sell | 1:12:46 | 1:12:50 | |
works of art they buy, | 1:12:50 | 1:12:51 | |
and certainly not within a few years of acquiring them. | 1:12:51 | 1:12:55 | |
Yes? No. | 1:12:55 | 1:12:57 | |
320. | 1:12:57 | 1:12:58 | |
There is a nasty word for this activity - flipping. | 1:12:58 | 1:13:02 | |
'From the collector's point of view,' | 1:13:03 | 1:13:06 | |
they fear to be called an art flipper... | 1:13:06 | 1:13:10 | |
erm, or to be blacklisted. | 1:13:10 | 1:13:12 | |
Selling at £370,000... | 1:13:12 | 1:13:17 | |
-BANGS HAMMER -Sold. | 1:13:17 | 1:13:19 | |
'Not only art collector, art buyer or art speculator' | 1:13:19 | 1:13:23 | |
buys something in the belief that it's going to double in value. | 1:13:23 | 1:13:26 | |
Young artist, double in value in six months, | 1:13:26 | 1:13:28 | |
and they flip it and double their money, | 1:13:28 | 1:13:30 | |
and they think they can go on doing that again and again and again. | 1:13:30 | 1:13:33 | |
From the point of view of a gallery or from the point of view of the | 1:13:33 | 1:13:36 | |
artist, you get to know those people very fast | 1:13:36 | 1:13:38 | |
and they just go on your blacklist. | 1:13:38 | 1:13:41 | |
'It's not done to talk about it, but everybody sells,' | 1:13:41 | 1:13:44 | |
and I know that as a matter of fact, because I buy from those collections | 1:13:44 | 1:13:47 | |
who publicly say they are not selling. | 1:13:47 | 1:13:49 | |
Even collectors, who sometimes sell the work they have bought, | 1:13:51 | 1:13:55 | |
will say that you should never do it. | 1:13:55 | 1:13:57 | |
You know, a lot of the people who have done the best are not necessarily | 1:13:58 | 1:14:03 | |
going to the parties, not necessarily living the life, | 1:14:03 | 1:14:08 | |
but actually love what they collect, | 1:14:08 | 1:14:12 | |
they keep it for a lifetime and those are the things that are valued by others. | 1:14:12 | 1:14:18 | |
And if you look at the auction market, more and more, | 1:14:18 | 1:14:21 | |
those pieces that have been in private collections for decades, | 1:14:21 | 1:14:27 | |
the fresh material, is what sells the best. | 1:14:27 | 1:14:29 | |
Well... | 1:14:30 | 1:14:31 | |
not quite... | 1:14:31 | 1:14:33 | |
Adam Lindemann is responsible for two of the greatest coups | 1:14:33 | 1:14:37 | |
in the history of the art market. | 1:14:37 | 1:14:39 | |
In 2007, he auctioned this Jeff Koons sculpture | 1:14:39 | 1:14:44 | |
for which he had just paid around 4,000,000. | 1:14:44 | 1:14:47 | |
It sold for 23. | 1:14:48 | 1:14:50 | |
This year, he consigned this Basquiat painting to auction. | 1:14:52 | 1:14:55 | |
He bought it for a record price of 4.5 million in 2004. | 1:14:55 | 1:15:01 | |
It sold this year for 57. | 1:15:01 | 1:15:04 | |
I'm someone who... | 1:15:05 | 1:15:09 | |
You know, I keep some things, I move on with some things. | 1:15:09 | 1:15:12 | |
It's a moving target all the time. | 1:15:14 | 1:15:16 | |
6,500,000. | 1:15:16 | 1:15:18 | |
6,750,000. | 1:15:18 | 1:15:20 | |
Actually, there's no need to be ashamed as a collector of selling art for a profit. | 1:15:20 | 1:15:25 | |
7,000,000. | 1:15:25 | 1:15:27 | |
It is another time-honoured practice. | 1:15:27 | 1:15:30 | |
Even great dealers, like Durand-Ruel, | 1:15:30 | 1:15:33 | |
sold to collectors who they knew might resell the work to someone else. | 1:15:33 | 1:15:37 | |
In 1868, the famous British art critic, John Ruskin, | 1:15:39 | 1:15:43 | |
bought a painting of Napoleon for 1,000 Guineas | 1:15:43 | 1:15:47 | |
and then sold it 14 years later for six times the price. | 1:15:47 | 1:15:51 | |
Today, flipping is just faster... | 1:15:52 | 1:15:55 | |
Jump in if you want it, 260. | 1:15:55 | 1:15:57 | |
And there's more of it, as you might expect, | 1:15:57 | 1:16:00 | |
considering the growth of the market. | 1:16:00 | 1:16:01 | |
We bought a Peter Doig in 2005 for 880,000. | 1:16:03 | 1:16:07 | |
We sold it one year later for 2,000,000. | 1:16:07 | 1:16:09 | |
Fantastic result, doubled our money, a sort of Apple stock result. | 1:16:09 | 1:16:12 | |
I mean, today, you will maybe find 1% of historic collectors that have | 1:16:12 | 1:16:17 | |
never resold a piece of work. | 1:16:17 | 1:16:20 | |
I mean, the traditional sense of a collector, | 1:16:20 | 1:16:22 | |
someone like that belongs in a vitrine in the Natural History Museum, | 1:16:22 | 1:16:25 | |
they don't exist any more, really, because, I mean, | 1:16:25 | 1:16:29 | |
people get seduced that are selling the things that they've always sworn | 1:16:29 | 1:16:33 | |
would be left from generation to generation. | 1:16:33 | 1:16:36 | |
A few collectors are prepared to talk frankly | 1:16:37 | 1:16:40 | |
about selling the arts they collect. | 1:16:40 | 1:16:43 | |
Dutch businessman Bert Kreuk made a fortune | 1:16:43 | 1:16:46 | |
supplying onboard services to airlines. | 1:16:46 | 1:16:48 | |
He owns a collection of around 750 works of art, | 1:16:48 | 1:16:52 | |
including a handful of Impressionist masterpieces. | 1:16:52 | 1:16:55 | |
What you see here is basically 20 years of collecting, | 1:16:58 | 1:17:00 | |
because you start off with a certain quality of works, | 1:17:00 | 1:17:04 | |
also to do with the fact that you don't have the money to buy at first. | 1:17:04 | 1:17:07 | |
The top quality. And then you move up and try to improve and refine | 1:17:07 | 1:17:11 | |
your collection and improve the quality. | 1:17:11 | 1:17:13 | |
And that's what happens with this piece. | 1:17:13 | 1:17:15 | |
I had quite a few Pissarro paintings before I bought this. | 1:17:15 | 1:17:19 | |
But once you see a picture like that, | 1:17:19 | 1:17:22 | |
you immediately know you have to buy it. | 1:17:22 | 1:17:23 | |
This was made in 1897, | 1:17:23 | 1:17:26 | |
when he was at his pinnacle of his ability to paint. | 1:17:26 | 1:17:29 | |
And actually, you see that back then, they already had traffic jams, | 1:17:29 | 1:17:33 | |
you know? | 1:17:33 | 1:17:35 | |
He sells art as well as buying it, | 1:17:37 | 1:17:39 | |
particularly when it comes to the young and emerging artists he collects. | 1:17:39 | 1:17:44 | |
For most galleries, a good collector is a collector who doesn't sell and | 1:17:44 | 1:17:49 | |
who keeps the art forever. | 1:17:49 | 1:17:51 | |
But for me, a collection is not stagnant. | 1:17:51 | 1:17:55 | |
I think selling is as much part | 1:17:55 | 1:17:58 | |
of managing a collection as buying it. | 1:17:58 | 1:18:00 | |
I'm simply not arrogant enough to say that every purchase I do is right. | 1:18:01 | 1:18:07 | |
I make mistakes and I think I need to correct them. | 1:18:07 | 1:18:10 | |
In the last three years, Bert has attempted to correct around 30 mistakes. | 1:18:11 | 1:18:16 | |
Among them, some bought less than five years earlier. | 1:18:16 | 1:18:20 | |
Some works sold for several times the price he had paid for them. | 1:18:20 | 1:18:23 | |
You know, if you call me an art flipper because I'm open about selling, | 1:18:25 | 1:18:28 | |
well, call me an art flipper. | 1:18:28 | 1:18:30 | |
I don't care, honestly speaking, because, you know, | 1:18:30 | 1:18:33 | |
I am in it for the passion. | 1:18:33 | 1:18:35 | |
And if you don't want to sell me, don't sell me. | 1:18:35 | 1:18:37 | |
I think people still have this notion that the art world is very romantic | 1:18:38 | 1:18:42 | |
and that it's all about having a piece of art on the wall. | 1:18:42 | 1:18:46 | |
It's a cut-throat business. | 1:18:46 | 1:18:47 | |
Today, some collectors base their decisions on what to buy and when to | 1:18:50 | 1:18:54 | |
sell on a sophisticated financial analysis of the market. | 1:18:54 | 1:18:58 | |
And they might turn to a new kind of dealer, like Olyvia Kwok, for advice. | 1:19:00 | 1:19:05 | |
Lots of people come to us | 1:19:05 | 1:19:08 | |
to buy contemporary. | 1:19:08 | 1:19:09 | |
They will actually use it as a financial instrument. | 1:19:09 | 1:19:13 | |
They like to, as we call it, to play in that market, | 1:19:13 | 1:19:15 | |
to have a bit of fun and to get a good return, a healthy return, | 1:19:15 | 1:19:20 | |
I mean like a double-digit return. | 1:19:20 | 1:19:22 | |
And for that to happen, timing is very important. | 1:19:22 | 1:19:25 | |
And you have to do it quite fast. | 1:19:25 | 1:19:26 | |
This is a fun thing that I bought. | 1:19:28 | 1:19:31 | |
You know, exactly what it says on the tin, isn't it? | 1:19:31 | 1:19:34 | |
Personally, I think happiness is very expensive! | 1:19:34 | 1:19:36 | |
Before we buy something, well, actually, | 1:19:40 | 1:19:42 | |
this sounds really bad but we do like almost like a stockpicking | 1:19:42 | 1:19:45 | |
presentation to our client. | 1:19:45 | 1:19:46 | |
And we'll give a reason. We'll say how many paintings this person has done. | 1:19:46 | 1:19:49 | |
How many paintings per auction. | 1:19:49 | 1:19:51 | |
And how many paintings have repeatedly been sold. | 1:19:51 | 1:19:54 | |
And therefore, our verdict is that it's a safe thing for a period of time. | 1:19:54 | 1:19:59 | |
Well, this is another sort of fun thing that I bought. | 1:20:00 | 1:20:04 | |
I think that's what life is. | 1:20:04 | 1:20:06 | |
The little platforms where you live, how you live, I guess. | 1:20:06 | 1:20:09 | |
And constantly life has things thrown at you, like this dagger. | 1:20:09 | 1:20:13 | |
You have to just find a way around. | 1:20:13 | 1:20:16 | |
And hopefully don't have any mistakes. | 1:20:16 | 1:20:17 | |
Lots of people compare investing in contemporary art as better than | 1:20:20 | 1:20:23 | |
investing in properties. | 1:20:23 | 1:20:24 | |
Because in properties, you have a lot of maintenance, and storage. | 1:20:24 | 1:20:28 | |
In art, you don't. | 1:20:28 | 1:20:29 | |
And you just leave it there and you pay the insurance and that's it. | 1:20:30 | 1:20:33 | |
And when you want to sell it, obviously you would then market it | 1:20:33 | 1:20:36 | |
and that's it, you know, so, nothing...too much fuss. | 1:20:36 | 1:20:40 | |
My grandfather was a general in China. | 1:20:40 | 1:20:43 | |
He was a very harsh man. | 1:20:43 | 1:20:45 | |
I remember once he told me, he said, "Life is pain." | 1:20:45 | 1:20:48 | |
But the earlier you understand that, the better you handle it. | 1:20:48 | 1:20:51 | |
By now, you will understand that the markets for individual artists often | 1:20:55 | 1:20:59 | |
rise and fall over a few years. | 1:20:59 | 1:21:03 | |
But what about the entire market for the art of an era? | 1:21:03 | 1:21:07 | |
For the taste of a generation? | 1:21:07 | 1:21:09 | |
Can that crash? | 1:21:09 | 1:21:12 | |
It doesn't happen very often. | 1:21:12 | 1:21:13 | |
But the entire art market has tanked before. | 1:21:13 | 1:21:17 | |
There's absolutely nothing different about the present contemporary art | 1:21:18 | 1:21:22 | |
boom from four or five we've seen before. | 1:21:22 | 1:21:25 | |
The second half of the 19th century witnessed the world's first | 1:21:27 | 1:21:31 | |
contemporary art boom. | 1:21:31 | 1:21:33 | |
At its apex was a canny British art dealer, William Agnew, | 1:21:35 | 1:21:39 | |
selling to those new, wealthy industrialists in Britain and America. | 1:21:39 | 1:21:43 | |
Agnew had spaces in London, Liverpool and Manchester, | 1:21:45 | 1:21:49 | |
just as major galleries today have outposts in different cities across the world. | 1:21:49 | 1:21:54 | |
He was the Gagosian of the art market | 1:21:56 | 1:22:00 | |
in the 1880s and '90s. | 1:22:00 | 1:22:04 | |
This was Sir William's office | 1:22:04 | 1:22:06 | |
and this is part of the original decoration, | 1:22:06 | 1:22:10 | |
the original fireplace. | 1:22:10 | 1:22:12 | |
There is a marvellous description of him buying at a sale in Christie's, | 1:22:16 | 1:22:23 | |
where he bought £50,000 worth of lots out of a total of | 1:22:23 | 1:22:30 | |
£77,000 and there is a contemporary description, | 1:22:30 | 1:22:35 | |
which says that he dominated the room | 1:22:35 | 1:22:39 | |
and that every nod of his top hat, | 1:22:39 | 1:22:43 | |
since everybody wore hats in the auction room in those days, | 1:22:43 | 1:22:46 | |
every nod of his hat was worth another 1,000 Guineas. | 1:22:46 | 1:22:51 | |
By the 1870s, boom turned to bust in the Victorian economy. | 1:22:53 | 1:22:58 | |
Excepting one important luxury sector. | 1:22:58 | 1:23:02 | |
In Victorian England, Victorian Paris and New York, | 1:23:02 | 1:23:08 | |
1870 to 1895, | 1:23:08 | 1:23:11 | |
trade slowed to a trickle, | 1:23:11 | 1:23:13 | |
companies couldn't be trusted, banks were folding, | 1:23:13 | 1:23:18 | |
money fled the stock exchanges. | 1:23:18 | 1:23:21 | |
But in the art market, at Christie's, | 1:23:21 | 1:23:24 | |
there were queues round the block | 1:23:24 | 1:23:26 | |
because of the storming returns, | 1:23:26 | 1:23:29 | |
the prices were spiralling into the sky. | 1:23:29 | 1:23:32 | |
Lot number 90, same artist... | 1:23:32 | 1:23:36 | |
Art alone delivered sudden, quick and dramatic price rises. | 1:23:36 | 1:23:43 | |
Sold! 200... | 1:23:43 | 1:23:44 | |
The largest boom that there has ever been in the art market, | 1:23:45 | 1:23:49 | |
and that includes today, | 1:23:49 | 1:23:53 | |
was between 1870 and 1914. | 1:23:53 | 1:23:57 | |
This was a market focused on a particular kind of art, | 1:23:59 | 1:24:03 | |
known in its day as salon painting. | 1:24:03 | 1:24:07 | |
And here is its mausoleum. | 1:24:07 | 1:24:09 | |
All the paintings in this room were collected on a two-year buying spree | 1:24:10 | 1:24:14 | |
in the 1880s by a pharmaceuticals entrepreneur, | 1:24:14 | 1:24:18 | |
Thomas Holloway. | 1:24:18 | 1:24:19 | |
In the early years of the 20th century, | 1:24:20 | 1:24:22 | |
the market in this kind of art collapsed. | 1:24:22 | 1:24:26 | |
And there is little demand for most of these artists today. | 1:24:26 | 1:24:29 | |
In 1862, this painting, by Edwin Longsden Long, | 1:24:32 | 1:24:36 | |
made a record price at auction of over £6,500. | 1:24:36 | 1:24:41 | |
At least £4,000,000 in today's money. | 1:24:41 | 1:24:43 | |
But by 1905, you could buy a big Edwin Longsden Long for under £150. | 1:24:44 | 1:24:51 | |
The real collapse came after '99, and taste changed in a big way, | 1:24:54 | 1:24:59 | |
in favour of Impressionism, Van Gogh, | 1:24:59 | 1:25:01 | |
and the new world that we now live in. | 1:25:01 | 1:25:03 | |
Collectors were beginning to die and the new, | 1:25:04 | 1:25:08 | |
younger generation had put its money into a different sort of art. | 1:25:08 | 1:25:11 | |
That was how it came to an end. | 1:25:11 | 1:25:13 | |
Yet, despite this artistic Armageddon, art dealers, | 1:25:15 | 1:25:19 | |
collectors and their acolytes do not think that history will repeat itself. | 1:25:19 | 1:25:24 | |
The whole asset class was repriced. | 1:25:27 | 1:25:29 | |
It's never going back. | 1:25:29 | 1:25:30 | |
I mean, the journalists who like to say, "Oh, art market bubble bursting, | 1:25:30 | 1:25:34 | |
"blah, blah, blah..." That's old stuff. | 1:25:34 | 1:25:36 | |
This stuff is never going back. | 1:25:36 | 1:25:38 | |
Is the art market going to have a tough time? | 1:25:39 | 1:25:41 | |
I think this year's going to be harder than it was last year | 1:25:41 | 1:25:44 | |
and much harder than it was two years ago. | 1:25:44 | 1:25:46 | |
Is the market going to drop significantly? No. | 1:25:46 | 1:25:49 | |
I don't think it will collapse. | 1:25:49 | 1:25:51 | |
I think that certain artists will go down, particularly the younger, | 1:25:51 | 1:25:55 | |
untried ones, who have perhaps been speculated on... | 1:25:55 | 1:25:57 | |
A Picasso painting has been a Picasso painting, painted by Picasso, | 1:25:57 | 1:26:01 | |
is going to be there, it will always be there. | 1:26:01 | 1:26:04 | |
Whether that painting is ended in Russia or in China or in England, it's still a Picasso painting. | 1:26:04 | 1:26:09 | |
And Lot 66, Andy Warhol... | 1:26:10 | 1:26:13 | |
Is all this optimism just a sales pitch? | 1:26:13 | 1:26:17 | |
Lot number 12 is Lucien Freud. | 1:26:17 | 1:26:20 | |
-Perhaps not. -The Profit by Basquiat... | 1:26:20 | 1:26:22 | |
The good news, my dear bankers, | 1:26:22 | 1:26:24 | |
is that while we know that the art market can go south, | 1:26:24 | 1:26:28 | |
it only seems to happen when a certain set of conditions arise - | 1:26:28 | 1:26:32 | |
which have not yet arisen. | 1:26:32 | 1:26:34 | |
But the way it works is that so long as the collectors are alive, | 1:26:35 | 1:26:40 | |
the price stays high. | 1:26:40 | 1:26:42 | |
Lot 82, the Damien Hirst. | 1:26:42 | 1:26:44 | |
The Damien price will stay high for the next 30 years because those | 1:26:44 | 1:26:49 | |
collectors have an interest in keeping the Damien Hirst currency strong. | 1:26:49 | 1:26:55 | |
That seems to me to be how the living artist's magic works | 1:26:55 | 1:26:59 | |
and how it delivers the financial return | 1:26:59 | 1:27:03 | |
that in the past has created booms in living artists. | 1:27:03 | 1:27:07 | |
Sold, the Warhol Flowers. | 1:27:07 | 1:27:09 | |
Thank you, your number was? | 1:27:09 | 1:27:11 | |
A bar of gold is a bar of gold is a bar of gold. | 1:27:11 | 1:27:14 | |
This is all quite subjective. | 1:27:14 | 1:27:16 | |
And whether or not it keeps its value will depend upon the whims of | 1:27:16 | 1:27:21 | |
collectors, tens or twenties, years from now. | 1:27:21 | 1:27:25 | |
And I think that that's problematic. | 1:27:25 | 1:27:26 | |
And so we move on to Lot number 11, which is the wonderful Peter Doig. | 1:27:26 | 1:27:31 | |
Cabin Essence, 93-94. | 1:27:31 | 1:27:33 | |
And Lot 73. | 1:27:33 | 1:27:34 | |
The second of tonight's abstract vectors. | 1:27:37 | 1:27:39 | |
Works of art exist in a paradoxical place, where pork bellies do. | 1:27:40 | 1:27:47 | |
In exactly the same place. | 1:27:47 | 1:27:48 | |
In a kind of cartel of speculations. | 1:27:48 | 1:27:51 | |
There's a degree to which you can tell yourself, when you're weeping, | 1:27:51 | 1:27:54 | |
sobbing into your pillow, that it doesn't really matter. | 1:27:54 | 1:27:58 | |
I think the problem is when you have things like our stuff and people want to buy it | 1:27:58 | 1:28:01 | |
because they are somehow compelled morally. | 1:28:01 | 1:28:03 | |
You know, "I love this because it's really kind of explaining these terrible things. | 1:28:03 | 1:28:07 | |
"Here's 50 million quid." | 1:28:07 | 1:28:08 | |
It's like, well, hang on, those two things are incompatible. | 1:28:08 | 1:28:12 | |
So, you know, that's the paradox. | 1:28:12 | 1:28:14 | |
I shall sell it then for 13,000,000. | 1:28:14 | 1:28:18 | |
Thank you. 642... | 1:28:18 | 1:28:20 | |
Finally, one last disclaimer. | 1:28:20 | 1:28:23 | |
The makers of this programme cannot accept any responsibility if you do | 1:28:23 | 1:28:27 | |
not maximise your profits by following these rules. | 1:28:27 | 1:28:31 | |
If you do decide to sell part of your collection, | 1:28:31 | 1:28:33 | |
as I did decide to sell some of my Warhols, | 1:28:33 | 1:28:36 | |
it's never the right time. | 1:28:36 | 1:28:38 | |
No sooner have you sold them and then there's an announcement that they've doubled. | 1:28:38 | 1:28:41 | |
They never halve just after you've sold them. They only double just after you've sold them! | 1:28:41 | 1:28:46 |