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Small family farms are in trouble. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
-This hasn't seen action for a while! -Business consultant Nick Hewer | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
is going back to his Northern Irish roots | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
to help them diversify, and make radical changes, | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
before they go under. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:16 | |
What can you do with 17 acres? | 0:00:16 | 0:00:17 | |
But are the farmers ready for his advice? | 0:00:17 | 0:00:20 | |
I'm not a farming guru with all the answers, | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
but having observed many companies over more than 40 years, | 0:00:24 | 0:00:27 | |
what I CAN offer is a great big dollop of common sense. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:32 | |
This series follows local farms | 0:00:34 | 0:00:36 | |
embarking on a long-term fight for survival. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:40 | |
You're not turning bookings down, are you? | 0:00:40 | 0:00:42 | |
-There will be tough decisions... -That source will pump for ever - | 0:00:42 | 0:00:46 | |
and they're going to sell it? | 0:00:46 | 0:00:48 | |
..but doing nothing is not an option. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:52 | |
End of a long day - and for me, a depressing day. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
OK. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:56 | |
This week, Nick is on his way | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
to Newtownbutler in County Fermanagh. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
John Brownlee and his Dutch wife, Ingrid, have a 160-acre farm. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:12 | |
Their business is apples, | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
and their main customer is a cider manufacturer | 0:01:15 | 0:01:17 | |
who likes to buy big - and cheap. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:20 | |
Unless they diversify, the farm will not survive. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:23 | |
Luckily, John has plenty of ideas. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
You usually wake up at five in the morning! | 0:01:29 | 0:01:31 | |
-Eating an apple! -And he's crunching an apple, | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
and then he says, "I have an idea!" | 0:01:34 | 0:01:36 | |
The Brownlees' ambitious plans include apple pies, holiday homes | 0:01:36 | 0:01:40 | |
fishing lakes and a forest. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:44 | |
Nick has been called in to provide some commercial nous. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:47 | |
-Slainte! -Good morning! | 0:01:49 | 0:01:50 | |
-Long drive for you! Hi, I'm Ingrid. -This is Ingrid. -Yes. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:53 | |
Nick has eight months to help the Brownlees save their farm. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
The first job is to get a thorough look round. | 0:01:56 | 0:02:00 | |
-What's her name? -Jasmine. Come on! -Hi, Jasmine! | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
-Hi, Jasmine! -There we go. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:05 | |
-And who are your customers? -Er, Magners. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
-You've had them a long time? -Yes, I have. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
What sort of percentage would they take of the crop? | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
They'll take it all. But it's at a low price. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:21 | |
-And, er... -That's the prob... | 0:02:21 | 0:02:22 | |
A sole customer is always a bit, sort of, | 0:02:22 | 0:02:24 | |
eggs-in-one-basket type situation, isn't it? | 0:02:24 | 0:02:26 | |
Yeah, it is. Which is why we're looking at diversifying. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:29 | |
The Brownlees need to reduce their reliance on cider buyers. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:33 | |
Ingrid works as a business consultant in Europe. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
She's convinced that snack-sized apple pies, | 0:02:36 | 0:02:38 | |
which are popular in the Netherlands, | 0:02:38 | 0:02:40 | |
could be the answer. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:42 | |
-Ready to eat. -And you just take one at a petrol station... -Actually... | 0:02:42 | 0:02:45 | |
..and you just take a wee bite. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
I like the fact that you can actually see it. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:50 | |
-How much do these sell for? -In Holland, | 0:02:50 | 0:02:52 | |
they're about 1 euro to 1.20 apiece. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:55 | |
So hold on, so here's a way of utilising the apples, the crop. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:59 | |
-Yeah. -So you've got Magners, you've got a few others, | 0:02:59 | 0:03:01 | |
-Magners will take everything... -Yep. -..but you'd like to say, hold on, | 0:03:01 | 0:03:05 | |
let's have another outlet. I like the pie idea. I'll have one. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
I'll have one hot! | 0:03:08 | 0:03:10 | |
It's one euro! | 0:03:10 | 0:03:12 | |
As well as apple pies, the Brownlees also have their eye | 0:03:14 | 0:03:18 | |
on Fermanagh's tourist market. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:20 | |
Their first holiday cottage is almost complete. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
And what would you get a week for this in the summer, in the season? | 0:03:25 | 0:03:29 | |
Er, we're hoping to get £500-600 a week. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:32 | |
That's not so bad, is it? | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
The plan is to develop other farm buildings - a fishing lake | 0:03:35 | 0:03:39 | |
and forest will complement the package. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
-So that sort of whole area... -Yeah, will be a lake. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
And then you see your young trees. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:48 | |
We've planted here about 25,000 native, you know, trees. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
So you'll walk through a forest, you come to a lake | 0:03:51 | 0:03:55 | |
and you go and sit there on your own and fish. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:57 | |
Plans this ambitious are expensive, | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
but the Brownlees have an ace up their sleeve - | 0:03:59 | 0:04:03 | |
spring water. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:04 | |
-Well, hello! -This is the borehole, Nick. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:07 | |
-The borehole. -Yeah. This goes down 120 metres. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:09 | |
-We can produce 66,000 gallons per day on this. -Right. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:15 | |
-I can smell the sulphur. -Can you smell it? -Yeah. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:19 | |
You couldn't actually drink it. It's probably quite... | 0:04:19 | 0:04:21 | |
-Let's have a look. -..quite sediment... | 0:04:21 | 0:04:23 | |
-Oh, it's pretty clear, isn't it? -Isn't it? Yeah. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:26 | |
-When was this borehole drilled, then, John? -This was drilled | 0:04:26 | 0:04:30 | |
-about 20 years ago, Nick. -Right - why? | 0:04:30 | 0:04:32 | |
Because John had an idea he'd like to bottle water. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
They began bottling the water | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
by hand in the early '90s, but the cost of automation was too much, | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
and eight years ago, production on the farm stopped. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
I find it quite sad, that we had to stop bottling our own water. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:52 | |
What figure would you put on the investment - | 0:04:52 | 0:04:54 | |
-what frightened you? -Oh, we're talking | 0:04:54 | 0:04:56 | |
-about roughly, was it three million at the time? -Yes. | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
-Ah. It would take a long time to get that back. -Yeah. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:01 | |
We currently are in negotiations with somebody | 0:05:02 | 0:05:06 | |
that has some foreign investors that might be willing | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
to rebuild the whole factory and... | 0:05:09 | 0:05:11 | |
And you'd retain a stake, or sell it out completely or what? | 0:05:11 | 0:05:15 | |
They do want to buy us out completely. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:17 | |
Yeah? And then... | 0:05:17 | 0:05:19 | |
-cheerio, as far as you're concerned. -Yep. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:22 | |
A geological survey has revealed the Brownlees are sitting on one of | 0:05:22 | 0:05:27 | |
the largest underground water sources in Europe. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
Nick is worried they might become seduced | 0:05:30 | 0:05:32 | |
by an eight-figure deal. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:34 | |
I can understand why they shut this down five years ago. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:38 | |
It wasn't worthwhile keeping it going. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
But their great asset on the hill, | 0:05:40 | 0:05:44 | |
their 60,000 gallons a day | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
is tapped and ready to be exploited. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
And they've got somebody who wants to exploit it, | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
somebody sniffing around, who wants to buy the lot. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
That source will pump for ever and a day | 0:05:56 | 0:06:00 | |
and they're going to sell it, and say goodbye to it? I hope not. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:05 | |
To wave goodbye to it, in its entirety, | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
would be a sin. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:11 | |
And I hope they recognise that. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
After an intense day of fact-finding, | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
it's now time for Nick to present his ideas. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
Nick knows the future of the farm | 0:06:20 | 0:06:22 | |
depends on a clear and well thought-out plan. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:26 | |
It's been a great day. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:28 | |
It's not often I get sort of, you know, excited about these prospects, | 0:06:28 | 0:06:32 | |
but there's so much going on here. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:34 | |
You've got apples, you're harvesting 1,500-1,600 tonnes a year, | 0:06:34 | 0:06:38 | |
and then suddenly you've got a lake. I didn't know that Fermanagh | 0:06:38 | 0:06:41 | |
needed another lake, I thought they had quite enough, | 0:06:41 | 0:06:45 | |
but who am I to argue? | 0:06:45 | 0:06:46 | |
And then you twin the lake, the fishing lake, | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
with your holiday homes here - | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
suddenly you've got a nice, sort of, regular sort of trade. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
They stay here and you charge them to fish all day, too. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
But the whole thing is underpinned, really, | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
by your water asset. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
That extraordinary... | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
oil well, if you like - water well - | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
that can gush 60,000 gallons a day. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:14 | |
To think that you're going to wave cheerio to that... | 0:07:14 | 0:07:16 | |
I think we were eager to sell because first of all, | 0:07:16 | 0:07:20 | |
it will make sure that Fermanagh Spring Water will grow bigger, | 0:07:20 | 0:07:24 | |
and in order to do so, you need a big investor. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
I'm not arguing with that, I'm not arguing with that. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:31 | |
I mean, my perfect scenario for you | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
would be to do a great deal on selling it... | 0:07:33 | 0:07:37 | |
-Yeah. -..on the following conditions - | 0:07:37 | 0:07:39 | |
that first of all, you retain the rights to sell, | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
within 50 miles, your Fermanagh Spring, | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
using your water that you've just sold, all right, | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
free, | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
and you get a royalty | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
per gallon or per cubic metre pumped, all right? | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
And there would be a minimum payment each year. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:59 | |
Because let me tell you, | 0:07:59 | 0:08:00 | |
that's a precious thing that's going out the door. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:03 | |
-Mm-hmm. -If you can do a good deal on that water, yeah, | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
and retain some sort of revenue stream coming through, | 0:08:06 | 0:08:10 | |
to feed and polish all the other ventures that you've got, | 0:08:10 | 0:08:14 | |
I mean, the future's great for Brownlees, isn't it? | 0:08:14 | 0:08:18 | |
'There's a lot of' | 0:08:18 | 0:08:19 | |
potential here in a lot of different directions. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
But don't let's get carried away that we've already got a success | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
on our hands, because we haven't - it's just potential. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:29 | |
While the water deal is negotiated, | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
the first thing Nick wants to develop | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
is an Irish version of the apple pies | 0:08:36 | 0:08:38 | |
Ingrid first discovered in a Dutch service station. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:41 | |
Loughry College food technology expert Christine Haydock | 0:08:41 | 0:08:45 | |
has been called in to help develop the product. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
I think this is a dashboard food, | 0:08:48 | 0:08:49 | |
that you buy and eat in the front of your car. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:52 | |
That's a good name. I like that. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:53 | |
I think the whole thing's very... | 0:08:53 | 0:08:55 | |
I wouldn't mind tasting one, actually. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:57 | |
You think of the added value, what you're getting, | 0:08:57 | 0:09:00 | |
for that little bit of apple. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:02 | |
There's almost more pastry than apple in this concoction. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:07 | |
Do you think this would appeal to the Irish palate? | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
Oh, yes, I think Northern Ireland people like food exceptionally sweet. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:14 | |
-And this is quite sweet, as far as I'm concerned. -Mm-hmm. -Mmm. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
I really like it a great deal, and I think you did yourselves | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
a great favour stopping at that service station. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
Yeah? I like it a lot. I'm excited about this. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
It's autumn. Ingrid is away working in Europe. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
John is getting ready for the annual apple harvest, | 0:09:30 | 0:09:34 | |
with the help of his farm manager sons. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
This year, most of the apples will be taken to make cider. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:41 | |
Next year, it's hoped they will be used to make apple pies. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:45 | |
For the last month, Loughry College has been analysing | 0:09:46 | 0:09:50 | |
the make-up of the Dutch pies - the first prototypes | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
of an Irish version are now ready for testing. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
Tell me what you think of the taste. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:58 | |
-I think we'll have to put a bit more... -More apple, perhaps?! | 0:09:58 | 0:10:01 | |
A bit more apple, Christine. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:03 | |
This is made with diced apple. Tell me what you think of the texture. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:07 | |
You should have a better texture with solid pieces of apple. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:11 | |
You can taste the apple more. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:13 | |
It's not just apple pies that John wants to talk to Christine about. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:19 | |
Nick's advice about keeping a stake in his water | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
has set John thinking - why not develop a brand of water | 0:10:22 | 0:10:26 | |
for pets? | 0:10:26 | 0:10:27 | |
I would like to know if you could help us | 0:10:27 | 0:10:29 | |
with adding some flavours to it. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:31 | |
What flavours had you in mind? We were thinking of beef or chicken | 0:10:31 | 0:10:35 | |
-or liver or... -OK. -..whatever you can come up with. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:39 | |
The plan is to tell Nick about it on his next visit. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
After a few months of tweaking, the time has come | 0:10:45 | 0:10:49 | |
to test the pies on a focus group. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
Getting the public's opinion on flavour and texture will be crucial. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:56 | |
Nick is back to help analyse the results. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
This is interesting, isn't it? This is the scientific way | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
of finding out who likes what. It's no good you thinking, "I like it." | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
-Mmm. -That's not relevant! | 0:11:08 | 0:11:10 | |
-It's exciting. -We've got teams of people, | 0:11:10 | 0:11:12 | |
and the winner will emerge. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
What about your water? What about the famous aquifer? | 0:11:16 | 0:11:19 | |
Er, things are, er, moving forward, | 0:11:19 | 0:11:22 | |
and...in a good way. Our solicitors are talking now to each other and... | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
-You've got lawyers onto it? -Yep. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
And, erm, I think it looks like it's 96%, erm, | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
sure that it's going to happen, so... | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
-That's very specific, 96%! -Yeah. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
John actually came up with a new idea on top of that as well. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:44 | |
-Really? What's this? -Er, actually producing pet water. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
-Pet water? -Pet water, yeah! | 0:11:47 | 0:11:49 | |
Water for pets?! | 0:11:49 | 0:11:51 | |
-Yes! -Pets are getting fussy! | 0:11:51 | 0:11:53 | |
-Yeah, they do! -D'you know, it's mad enough... | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
It's mad enough to have something in it. | 0:11:56 | 0:11:59 | |
For now, the pet water will need to be put to one side. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:02 | |
The prototype apple pies have been marked out of 10, | 0:12:02 | 0:12:07 | |
and the results are in. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:08 | |
We asked them what they were prepared to pay for this kind of product. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:12 | |
Upwards of 75% are prepared to pay | 0:12:12 | 0:12:16 | |
up to £1, but then suddenly, it comes off a cliff. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
There's a £1 price point, and that's it. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:23 | |
The scores on appearance - the apple chunk | 0:12:23 | 0:12:25 | |
scored a 6.3, while the apple slice scored 6.5. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:30 | |
And the apple pop scored 6. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:32 | |
The next aspect is taste, | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
and I was saddened by this, because these are the lowest score. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
The apple chunks scored 5.4, | 0:12:38 | 0:12:40 | |
and the apple slice product scored 5.5, | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
while the apple pulp one scored 4.6. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:46 | |
What I think is fascinating is that | 0:12:46 | 0:12:48 | |
they both look and smell better than they taste. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:53 | |
-That's got to be bad news, hasn't it? -I'll try and find | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
a coarser apple pulp, and that will help the texture. | 0:12:56 | 0:13:01 | |
What proportion of an apple would find its way | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
-into one pie? -I'd like to think there would be half a Bramley apple | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
in each pie, which is significantly more than the Dutch product. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:11 | |
If you take it as £1 a pie, | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
which you sell in...let's say at trade, at 50p, would that be fair? | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
-Mmm, yeah. -50p, OK. What proportion of that 50p | 0:13:16 | 0:13:21 | |
-is made up of apple? -My guesstimate answer | 0:13:21 | 0:13:23 | |
would be, about half the price of your contents | 0:13:23 | 0:13:27 | |
will be products other than apple. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
-There's half an apple in there. -JOHN: Mm-hmm. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:32 | |
And you're getting 25p for it. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
So that's 50p an apple, therefore - two pies. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
-What would you normally get for an apple? -A tiny fraction. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
-Tiny fraction. -Yeah. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:42 | |
-So, if you could build this into a real strong brand... -That's right. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
-..your revenues would rocket. -They would, yeah. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:48 | |
But the product's one thing - it's time to get onto the packaging now, | 0:13:48 | 0:13:52 | |
-isn't it? -Nick knows packaging | 0:13:52 | 0:13:54 | |
is just as important as the product. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:56 | |
-John! -So he has sent in branding expert Mark Thompson. | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
Thanks very much indeed. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:01 | |
After seeing the Fermanagh Spring Water labels, | 0:14:01 | 0:14:04 | |
Nick knows John and Ingrid need all the help they can get. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
The plan is to market the pies under the name | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
"Brownlee's Bramleys". | 0:14:10 | 0:14:12 | |
-Brownlee's Bramleys is a terrific name. -Isn't it? -Well done! | 0:14:12 | 0:14:16 | |
With any commercial product, John, | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
the key with packaging is to catch the eye on shelf, | 0:14:19 | 0:14:23 | |
to stand out against any competition, | 0:14:23 | 0:14:25 | |
to make sure that your product's being noticed. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
Not only do you need a message like "non-flake pastry"... | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
-Yep. -..or something to explain that difference, | 0:14:31 | 0:14:34 | |
but also something saying the apples are all grown in County Fermanagh. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
While Mark works on packaging for the apple pies, | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
Nick wants to take a look at the pet water idea. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
He has invited dog owners and experts to sample the product. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:53 | |
Quite strong-smelling, that one. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
Included in the line-up is one of Northern Ireland's top dog trainers, | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
Keith Matthews - unfortunately, today's focus group | 0:14:59 | 0:15:02 | |
are not quite as controlled as the group who tested the apple pies! | 0:15:02 | 0:15:07 | |
Well, thank you very much indeed for all turning up with your dogs | 0:15:07 | 0:15:11 | |
for the launch of John and Ingrid's JLB flavoured pet water, | 0:15:11 | 0:15:14 | |
which you'll see lined up in front of you. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
Let's see what happens. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
And did your dog drink any of it? | 0:15:24 | 0:15:27 | |
Yes, he fancied the taste of the pork, I think. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
It's Guinness I think he's found - he likes a drop of Guinness! | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
A wee bit of the chicken. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:35 | |
I just don't think he's thirsty enough. It's not hot weather. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
It's becoming obvious that the current recipe is not irresistible | 0:15:38 | 0:15:42 | |
to dogs, however much encouragement they're getting. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
Keith Matthews is not impressed. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:47 | |
Water is something that dogs drink | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
because they need to, it's not something that they take on board, | 0:15:50 | 0:15:53 | |
you know, like, | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
-biscuits or something like that. -It's a treat for the owner | 0:15:55 | 0:15:57 | |
to treat the dog, even though the dog will drink the water anyway. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:01 | |
-Yeah. -So I think we've got to, you know, | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
look at the owner - and there are silly owners... | 0:16:04 | 0:16:06 | |
-Yeah. -..who pay good money. -Not in Ireland, but...! | 0:16:06 | 0:16:11 | |
It makes the customers feel better, giving something good to their dogs. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
-Mmm. -Erm, something with extra vitamins... | 0:16:15 | 0:16:19 | |
That's a good point, yeah. Some health benefit. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:23 | |
Today's exercise has convinced Nick the idea is worth pursuing, | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
as long as they target owners, rather than their pets. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
So, what do you reckon, how did it go? | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
I think it went pretty well, didn't it? Well, the dogs... | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
-Difficult test. -Yeah. -It is, yeah. -Very difficult. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
I'm sure there are people that want to pamper their dogs. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
In fact, we know that's the case. I think what we have got to do, | 0:16:41 | 0:16:45 | |
having spoken to them, is to inject some health benefit | 0:16:45 | 0:16:47 | |
and frankly have a crack at the packaging... | 0:16:47 | 0:16:50 | |
This dog looks as if it's in sort of attack mode! | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
..and take it to those who want to pamper their pooches, | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
and they'll pay. | 0:16:56 | 0:16:57 | |
Back at the farm, in the five months | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
since Nick's first visit, | 0:17:02 | 0:17:04 | |
progress on the cottage has been slow. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:07 | |
The long-term tourism plan | 0:17:07 | 0:17:09 | |
depends on finalising the water deal, but after months | 0:17:09 | 0:17:12 | |
of phone calls, the Brownlees are still waiting. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:16 | |
It's an anxious time for both of them. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
It's very hard to explain, but it's like having this big... | 0:17:19 | 0:17:23 | |
cake in front of you... | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
and somebody says, you can almost stick your teeth in it, | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
but just not yet - you have to wait | 0:17:29 | 0:17:31 | |
-just a little bit longer! -Have to wait! | 0:17:31 | 0:17:33 | |
Nick's determined not to let the uncertainty over the water deal | 0:17:33 | 0:17:37 | |
derail the rest of the plan. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:39 | |
So, these are the ideas, Nick - they haven't seen them yet. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:42 | |
Thankfully, the packaging for the apple pies | 0:17:42 | 0:17:44 | |
and pet water is now finished. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
Today, the Brownlees get to see it for the first time. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
I'm going to start with the apple pie product, | 0:17:52 | 0:17:56 | |
and I'm conscious that you've already got a terrific brand name, | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
which you've done the right thing with, in trademark-registering it. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:03 | |
The obvious thing to do here was to take the O | 0:18:03 | 0:18:05 | |
and turn it into a little apple graphic, | 0:18:05 | 0:18:07 | |
-so people know at a glance what this is all about. -I already like it. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:11 | |
-It looks really professional! -That's a relief already, Ingrid, | 0:18:11 | 0:18:15 | |
so thank you! To move on, then, | 0:18:15 | 0:18:17 | |
from the brand identity down to the packaging idea, | 0:18:17 | 0:18:20 | |
if you can imagine this as printed film, | 0:18:20 | 0:18:22 | |
this half is left clear so that people can see the product. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:26 | |
This side then is printed, to look like a parchment paper, | 0:18:26 | 0:18:30 | |
And the little circle on here gets the message | 0:18:30 | 0:18:34 | |
across about the type of pastry, that it's flake-free. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
I prefer it even from all the labels I've seen so far. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:40 | |
I think this is one of the best. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:42 | |
And you'll remember of course the "Dog Refresh" - | 0:18:42 | 0:18:44 | |
what have you got for us? | 0:18:44 | 0:18:46 | |
The idea here is to source a bottle, | 0:18:46 | 0:18:48 | |
and there were soft drink bottles like this, | 0:18:48 | 0:18:50 | |
which narrow part-way down the top of the bottle. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
Erm, lamb could be green, beef could be brown... | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
This looks quite unique, and it really appeals to me, yeah. | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
I think the design also speaks to the sort of people | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
that would buy it for their little pooches, do you know? | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
I think you've got to work with Mark on finalising the packaging, | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
and you guys have got to get down and really finalise the products. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:12 | |
And then I'll fix the meetings, and those meetings | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
-will be "give us an order" meetings, yeah? -Yeah. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:17 | |
Because once you get those, you're off to the races. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
Over the next few weeks, the Brownlees work with Hayley Cobane | 0:19:23 | 0:19:27 | |
at Loughry College to get prototype products ready. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:30 | |
True to his word, Nick has lined up | 0:19:31 | 0:19:33 | |
some top sales pitches with a leading pet superstore chain, | 0:19:33 | 0:19:36 | |
and one of Ireland's biggest food groups. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
-Mmm. That's a big difference, isn't it? -Yeah. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:43 | |
Both are massive opportunities. With so much at stake, | 0:19:43 | 0:19:45 | |
Nick wants to hear a rehearsal pitch on Skype. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:49 | |
We, erm... | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
have a new product online... | 0:19:53 | 0:19:55 | |
As Ingrid is away, it's John that's under pressure. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
'Just calling them Brownlee's Bramleys apple pies.' | 0:19:58 | 0:20:02 | |
Complete new product, which, erm... | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
new on the market. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:07 | |
'And, er, we've picked your company to see, maybe... | 0:20:07 | 0:20:11 | |
'maybe if you'd be interested in distributing it for us.' | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
At the moment, we're at our very early stages, we haven't got it... | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
We're just... We have the pie made, | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
we think... | 0:20:20 | 0:20:21 | |
'Er, packaging done... | 0:20:22 | 0:20:24 | |
'and, er, the next stage is, erm, | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
'to look for somebody like yourselves to put it onto the market.' | 0:20:27 | 0:20:31 | |
The practice pitch has not gone well. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:33 | |
Nick is getting worried. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:35 | |
Well, I like John, | 0:20:37 | 0:20:39 | |
but to be honest, that was truly terrible. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
And if that's the sort of quality of pitch that he delivers | 0:20:42 | 0:20:45 | |
when we meet these people, then the product is dead in the water | 0:20:45 | 0:20:49 | |
before we've even launched it. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:51 | |
It's spring, | 0:20:56 | 0:20:58 | |
and Nick is back on the Brownlees' farm. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:00 | |
The Easter tourist season starts in a few weeks, | 0:21:00 | 0:21:03 | |
so before they go on pitch, Nick wants to see | 0:21:03 | 0:21:05 | |
what progress they've made on the holiday cottage. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
Oh, so... This wasn't here. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:10 | |
Unfortunately, after eight months, | 0:21:10 | 0:21:12 | |
it's still not ready. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
-This is the bedroom. -Oh, right. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:17 | |
Yeah. So, almost finished. And our plan is to be fully operational | 0:21:17 | 0:21:20 | |
within a month - website and all. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
-So, Easter's gone. -Mmm. -The danger is | 0:21:23 | 0:21:26 | |
that unless you're very lucky, the summer could be gone, too. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:29 | |
So, it's the early bird that catches the worm. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:33 | |
Missing Easter is a big disappointment, | 0:21:33 | 0:21:35 | |
but it's not the only area of the business plan | 0:21:35 | 0:21:37 | |
where little progress has been made. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:39 | |
So, the water deal, that's pretty much concluded now, I guess? | 0:21:39 | 0:21:43 | |
Well, I spoke to them, yesterday, Nick, and I said, erm, | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
er, "No more lip service." | 0:21:46 | 0:21:48 | |
So, it's... It's in their hands now at the moment, so... | 0:21:48 | 0:21:53 | |
-So, tomorrow, the next day, next week? -Yeah. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:56 | |
-Or next week. -Next month? -Yeah. -Mmm. | 0:21:56 | 0:21:58 | |
When I came here eight months ago, | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
the water deal was "impending", and eight months later, | 0:22:01 | 0:22:05 | |
I'm not altogether sure it's any nearer. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
I worry about the energy levels on that one. The cottage? | 0:22:08 | 0:22:10 | |
Late, no website, it's not going to be ready until May, | 0:22:10 | 0:22:14 | |
Easter's gone, the summer may be missed, too. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:18 | |
So, frankly, if there's to be any progress at all, | 0:22:18 | 0:22:21 | |
it's down to the pitches. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:23 | |
The first pitch is to Jollyes. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
With 55 stores, they're one of the biggest | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
pet superstore chains in the UK. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
convincing them to get behind the pet water | 0:22:32 | 0:22:34 | |
-would be a major coup. -Have you seen this? | 0:22:34 | 0:22:36 | |
But the Brownlees' pet water is not the only pet drink in town. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:40 | |
How much is that? | 0:22:40 | 0:22:42 | |
-1.39. -That's interesting. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:44 | |
With other competitors already in store, | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
the pressure to impress is on. Today, it's Ingrid | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
that is doing the talking. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:52 | |
Initially I think they look very good. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:54 | |
Can you tell me more about the minerals etc that are in it? | 0:22:54 | 0:22:58 | |
Well, the mineral composition actually | 0:22:58 | 0:23:00 | |
of the spring water that we've used from our well | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
is very unique, and it's very high in sulphur, | 0:23:03 | 0:23:07 | |
-which is very healthy. -Calcium. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:09 | |
Calcium, as well, which is good for the bones, | 0:23:09 | 0:23:11 | |
so that's already naturally in it. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:13 | |
And we were thinking about adding some vitamins and minerals | 0:23:13 | 0:23:17 | |
in the sense of, you know, maybe glossy coat or something like that. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:20 | |
Yeah, sure. Sure, yeah. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:22 | |
I guess you'll be wanting to put this in the customers' hands | 0:23:22 | 0:23:26 | |
-on a regular basis. -Yeah. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
-So again, there has to be an added benefit... -Yeah. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
..over and above the minerals and vitamins that are already in there. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
Having said that, it's a fantastic-looking product. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:37 | |
John can show you actually, | 0:23:37 | 0:23:38 | |
these are the bottles we're trying to source, | 0:23:38 | 0:23:41 | |
-they're a bit more round here, you see? -Sure, yeah. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:43 | |
-What it is, I suppose it's humanising it somewhat. -Yeah. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:46 | |
It's very like the water we would buy ourselves. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
-And these are possible extension ranges to the flavours, yeah? -Yep. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:52 | |
-This is tuna, we can have, for cats. -So do you at this point | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
-have a recommended retail price? -We have not really figured it out | 0:23:55 | 0:23:59 | |
fully yet, but we have compared it with | 0:23:59 | 0:24:01 | |
other products, and we were thinking around the £1.50 mark. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
What would the product actually cost us here at Jollyes? | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
Yeah, well, we have only a rough sort of idea | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
how much the production costs would be, | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
and I cannot give you the actual price. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
I don't know if you have a ball figure in mind? | 0:24:16 | 0:24:18 | |
I would like to be purchasing this round about 60p, 70p, thereabouts. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:22 | |
I mean, we would be willing to help you if we can get the price right, | 0:24:22 | 0:24:27 | |
and keep it a low price for the consumer, definitely, | 0:24:27 | 0:24:29 | |
we would be interested in speaking to you | 0:24:29 | 0:24:31 | |
and perhaps using Northern Ireland Jollyes as a test bed, | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
-if you would like. -Yeah, OK. -OK, good. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
Jollyes have agreed a small, local trial, | 0:24:37 | 0:24:39 | |
but it's a niche market. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:42 | |
Nick knows the main hope for securing the farm's future | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
rests on selling the apple pies. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
I thought the pitch went pretty well, | 0:24:48 | 0:24:50 | |
but I've got a couple of observations. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:52 | |
I thought it was too tentative, and I didn't think that you were | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
actually...able to nail down some of the big issues. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:59 | |
But we're off to see the apple pie people. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
So, in the forefront of your mind this afternoon is, | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
"We're coming outta there with an order!" | 0:25:04 | 0:25:07 | |
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The next pitch is to Henderson's, | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
a leading food wholesaler and retailer | 0:25:17 | 0:25:19 | |
with access to over 400 stores. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:21 | |
A deal with them could secure the future of John's orchards. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:27 | |
Everything is resting on the next 60 minutes. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:33 | |
So, er, Neil and Nigel, thanks for having us here. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:38 | |
As you know, we've developed a new food product - | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
basically, a small apple pie. And we've already done | 0:25:41 | 0:25:45 | |
a test run, and John, maybe you'd like to present it. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
This is the result of it - it would be in a small package. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:53 | |
We would supply the apples, which is a lot less mileage | 0:25:53 | 0:25:57 | |
on the environment, instead of maybe importing apples | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
from faraway countries, which is a good thing. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:02 | |
And it's a Northern Ireland product, which we believe | 0:26:02 | 0:26:06 | |
is also a good thing to promote. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
-Yeah, it's quite strong. -Yeah, it is, yeah. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:11 | |
Thanks to Nick's packaging, they're off to a good start. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:15 | |
-But there's a long way to go. -Do you see it being a brand, | 0:26:15 | 0:26:18 | |
as in Brownlee brand, or whatever you intend to call it? | 0:26:18 | 0:26:21 | |
We have registered this as our specific brand, | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
Brownlee's Bramleys. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:26 | |
-And the plan would be to extend the range to four, or whatever? -Yeah. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:30 | |
OK, shall we try it first, | 0:26:30 | 0:26:31 | |
-before we decide whether there's a market for it? -Yeah. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:36 | |
-These are all the same flavour? -Yes. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
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I think the apple and pastry flavour is very, very good. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:52 | |
But for me, it's quite... There's a lot of crust. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
-Yeah. -A lot of crust. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:56 | |
It does taste very homemade. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:58 | |
But I would consider the fruit filling. It's... | 0:26:58 | 0:27:01 | |
-For our market, it's got a lot of pastry. -Yeah. -Yeah. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:05 | |
-OK. -They liked the taste and concept, | 0:27:05 | 0:27:07 | |
but are their reservations about the amount of pastry | 0:27:07 | 0:27:11 | |
enough to scupper the deal? | 0:27:11 | 0:27:13 | |
If you wanted to test the market, | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
we would absolutely be happy to help you through that journey, | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
-because the product does taste good, and it is local. -Mm-hmm. -OK. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
We could work with you on a trial | 0:27:22 | 0:27:25 | |
in a number of stores. Within our estate, we own around 80 stores, | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
-and we could trial something in those stores. -Yeah. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
We could work together in partnership on it, | 0:27:31 | 0:27:33 | |
see what the market is, if that was of interest to you - | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
to explore the partnership that way? | 0:27:36 | 0:27:38 | |
They've done it. Henderson's have agreed to work with the Brownlees | 0:27:38 | 0:27:42 | |
and bring the product to market. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:44 | |
What a wonderful offer! | 0:27:44 | 0:27:47 | |
These guys are experts. They'll bring it to market, | 0:27:47 | 0:27:51 | |
they'll sell, you'll make money, | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
and what happens? You're using up your apples, giving added value. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:59 | |
Eight months ago, we talked as we walked through your orchards - | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
how would it happen? And now we've got packaging, | 0:28:02 | 0:28:05 | |
we've got products, yeah? We've got retailers - | 0:28:05 | 0:28:08 | |
-real commercial interest, yeah? -Yeah. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:10 | |
You're up and running. It's fantastic, I'm so pleased. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:14 | |
-So, good luck. -We'll miss the pressure you've put on us, Nick, | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
but great working with you - thanks. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:19 | |
-Good luck to you, John. -Thank you very much, Nick. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:21 | |
Excellent news. Brilliant. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:22 | |
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