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Karl Jenkins is undoubtedly a worldwide success | 0:00:09 | 0:00:13 | |
and he's written for our times. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:16 | |
He's done some wonderful compositions | 0:00:16 | 0:00:18 | |
and I think it just appeals to people. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:21 | |
There is something about Karl's music that touches | 0:00:21 | 0:00:25 | |
a lot of people's hearts. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:26 | |
His music is powerful | 0:00:28 | 0:00:30 | |
because he's able to convey deep emotions that lie within all of us, | 0:00:30 | 0:00:36 | |
and somehow resonate and communicate with people across a wide spectrum. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:42 | |
It's very easy to write a piece of music that 40 people think is fantastic. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:47 | |
It's very difficult to write a piece of music that | 0:00:47 | 0:00:51 | |
holds onto its integrity, and holds onto its meaning, | 0:00:51 | 0:00:55 | |
and millions of people admire. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:57 | |
Karl Jenkins is Britain's most successful and best-selling classical composer, | 0:01:06 | 0:01:11 | |
with his music dominating the contemporary classical scene. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:15 | |
But his route to classical acclaim has not been a traditional path | 0:01:15 | 0:01:18 | |
and, although classically trained, | 0:01:18 | 0:01:20 | |
it was as a jazz rock pioneer in the '70s and then the heyday of the '80s advertising boom | 0:01:20 | 0:01:25 | |
where he first made his name. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:27 | |
Karl is without doubt the composer of our time. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:31 | |
Karl was born on the Gower. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
His father was Welsh, his mother half-Swedish. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
It was a musical upbringing in the small coastal village of Penclawdd. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:48 | |
Penclawdd is quite unique, I think. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
Language-wise, it's a split village - | 0:01:51 | 0:01:53 | |
English and Welsh are equally spoken, I believe. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:55 | |
My family weren't Welsh-speaking. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:57 | |
This is a photograph of my father in his concert gear. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:01 | |
Schoolteacher by profession, but a musician at weekends. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:05 | |
There was always music in the house, | 0:02:05 | 0:02:07 | |
either him playing, or LP - as they were then - albums. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
My grandmother was a cockle picker | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
who used to go to Newport every weekend to sell cockles. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:17 | |
She met my grandfather there who was a Swedish sailor, | 0:02:17 | 0:02:20 | |
of a Swedish ship. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:23 | |
And he stayed and they got married. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
He settled in South Wales and my mother was born. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
A photograph of my mother taken some years before I was born. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:32 | |
In fact, we went to live in Sweden when I was very young because she had tuberculosis. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:37 | |
It was thought that the air would be better for her there. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:42 | |
So, in fact, I actually learnt Swedish before I learnt English, | 0:02:44 | 0:02:47 | |
insomuch at that age, whatever you can learn at that age | 0:02:47 | 0:02:50 | |
and, sadly, she died when I was four or five. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
These are my two Welsh grandparents. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
When my mother died, my father and I moved in with her | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
and my widowed aunt Evelyn. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:01 | |
So they kind of raised me, with my father. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
So I had a lot of kind of love and family atmosphere, | 0:03:04 | 0:03:08 | |
family love, around me, | 0:03:08 | 0:03:10 | |
so it was a happy childhood, despite the loss of my mother. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:14 | |
Karl's musical upbringing through his early years at Gowerton Grammar, | 0:03:15 | 0:03:19 | |
and in the youth orchestras, were to cement his career in music. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
Well, it was always by a process of elimination, I suppose, I ended up being a musician. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:26 | |
I never thought about it too much. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:27 | |
I did music for O level and then it was one of three for A level | 0:03:27 | 0:03:31 | |
and then I had to decide. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:33 | |
It wasn't a decision and so it was, er, | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
kind of predestined in a way, without being precious about it. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:40 | |
I just did it and applied to University of Wales Cardiff, | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
Cardiff University, and went there. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
Then later, after postgraduate, to the Royal Academy in London. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:51 | |
Although Karl and his wife Carol travel | 0:03:53 | 0:03:55 | |
the world for appearances and performances, | 0:03:55 | 0:03:57 | |
they split their time between their flat in London and their home on the Gower. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:02 | |
I was living in a flat in Westbourne Grove | 0:04:02 | 0:04:05 | |
and there was a Welsh trombone player in the flat below. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:08 | |
He kept talking about this Karl Jenkins, | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
and he'd been on the radio doing jazz. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
So the first time I actually met him was on the stairs. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:18 | |
He was very thin and had a white scarf wrapped several times around him, | 0:04:18 | 0:04:24 | |
and he was a chain smoker then. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:26 | |
And I thought he was decidedly odd. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
The first actual big date was in Highgate Cemetery | 0:04:33 | 0:04:38 | |
cos Karl's really big on cemeteries! | 0:04:38 | 0:04:41 | |
And I can remember he was wearing this white suit, | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
and we were just walking amongst the graves, as if that was the norm. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:48 | |
He had nothing, really. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:52 | |
He didn't have a car, his jacket had fallen off the back of a lorry, I suppose. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:56 | |
Erm, but he was always very passionate about music. | 0:04:56 | 0:05:01 | |
We've been together 38 years this year, | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
and I've watched him as his career has got bigger and bigger, | 0:05:05 | 0:05:09 | |
and I think it really is all down to respect, | 0:05:09 | 0:05:13 | |
because I respect and admire what he does enormously, | 0:05:13 | 0:05:17 | |
and I'm very involved in it. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:19 | |
And he, in my own little way, he admires what I do, | 0:05:19 | 0:05:23 | |
in the mostly educational music world. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
Karl's musical style is impossible to categorise, | 0:05:29 | 0:05:32 | |
but one who knows him, | 0:05:32 | 0:05:33 | |
who has worked with him over the years whilst at Classic FM and EMI, | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
is current chief executive of the Welsh Rugby Union Roger Lewis. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:41 | |
I suppose I first encountered Karl in the '70s, | 0:05:41 | 0:05:45 | |
with bands such as Nucleus and Soft Machine. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
But it wasn't until later years that I discovered that Karl | 0:05:48 | 0:05:52 | |
was this Welshman from Gowerton, from Penclawdd, | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
with this great passion for Wales and things Welsh, | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
that was that member of that particular group. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
When I first heard them, I thought they were amazing. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:15 | |
I mean, we both had a classical education, musically, | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
but Karl had gone off into the jazz area, | 0:06:18 | 0:06:20 | |
and I was absolutely in awe of these people, | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
because I could never do what they do. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:25 | |
I mean, I think you're born with that gift. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
Different parts of music you can learn. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:30 | |
You could almost learn to be a conductor, dare I say, | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
but with jazz, you've either got it or you haven't. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:38 | |
Without doubt, Karl is a musician who's got a huge, huge hunger | 0:06:48 | 0:06:53 | |
for searching out new and different sounds. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:57 | |
He is truly a creative musical anthropologist, I suppose. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:02 | |
And that's been shown throughout all of his work, | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
and you could see those early roots | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
in those jazz fusion days of the '70s. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
It was the next step in his career which took Karl even further away | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
from a more traditional route to classical acclaim, | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
and also signalled the beginning of his commercial classical success. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
It was here in the '80s boom of the ad world that Karl made a name for himself, | 0:07:28 | 0:07:33 | |
revolutionising the future of TV commercials | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
and working with one of the most successful ad agencies, Bartle Bogle Hegarty. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:40 | |
Although I work in advertising, I don't live in advertising. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:48 | |
I want people who aren't going to write advertising music for me. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
I don't want that. I don't want a jingle. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:52 | |
I want a piece of music that people go, | 0:07:52 | 0:07:54 | |
"Wow! I want to go back and listen to that again and again." | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
Back in sort of '83, '84, we were working on some Levi's projects, | 0:08:18 | 0:08:23 | |
and we'd written this sort of script about | 0:08:23 | 0:08:27 | |
a guy smuggling jeans into the Soviet Union, | 0:08:27 | 0:08:31 | |
and what I wanted was a piece of Soviet music to start it with that, | 0:08:31 | 0:08:35 | |
when it was revealed that it was Levi's he was smuggling in, | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
it resolved itself into a modern piece of music. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:43 | |
And sort of talking to Karl and listening to how he spoke, | 0:08:52 | 0:08:56 | |
and how he talked about the music, | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
I began to realise this man was classically trained. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:03 | |
And you sort of stand back slightly... "Ah. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
"I think he really knows what he's talking about, John. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
"Maybe you'd better..." | 0:09:09 | 0:09:10 | |
So it was wonderful work and I love working with people like that. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:13 | |
Television commercials then were of a pretty high standard. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
I mean, very, what became iconic film directors worked in the medium, | 0:09:16 | 0:09:20 | |
and I worked on films by people like Ridley Scott and Alan Parker. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:24 | |
People like this were working in the genre, really. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
So I got used to discipline then, | 0:09:27 | 0:09:29 | |
cos it had to be delivered on a certain day, by a certain time, and recorded. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:33 | |
If it didn't, well, you didn't work. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:35 | |
You didn't get paid and didn't work again. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:37 | |
Great creative people are ciphers. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:53 | |
They absorb all the stuff around them. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
They absorb things and it comes out of them, in some shape or form. | 0:09:56 | 0:10:00 | |
And I think that's what Karl has. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:03 | |
He has this ability to sense what's going on around him | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
and reinterpret it as a piece of music. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
And I think that's what makes great creative people. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:13 | |
Karl was making a name for himself | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
and creating a new style of musical soundtrack for advertising campaigns. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
He was then approached to make a commercial for Delta Airlines. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
An album based on Delta Airlines theme Adiemus was then released | 0:10:33 | 0:10:37 | |
and became an instant success, | 0:10:37 | 0:10:39 | |
and resulted in more than 3 million album sales worldwide. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:43 | |
It introduced Karl to a new and appreciative audience, | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
and captured the imagination | 0:10:46 | 0:10:47 | |
of many of the world's top artists and performers. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:51 | |
I think I first became aware of Karl's music really through television | 0:10:51 | 0:10:56 | |
and I remember seeing Adiemus | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
and this word coming up so many times | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
I was thinking, "What is this? What is this?" | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
And then I experienced sort of clips of the music, | 0:11:05 | 0:11:09 | |
and I was so intrigued by that, that I then tried to find out | 0:11:09 | 0:11:14 | |
where performances might be, where recordings may be and so on. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
And to discover that this music was written, in fact, | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
by a British composer... | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
And that was really when I first became aware of Karl's music | 0:11:23 | 0:11:29 | |
and I was really, truly intrigued by that. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:33 | |
There was just something about this piece | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
that just simply planted that seed of curiosity. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
The first time that I heard Karl Jenkins's music was | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
when I started travelling to America from Manchester Airport. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:48 | |
I always used to use a certain airline which had Karl's Adiemus | 0:11:48 | 0:11:54 | |
constantly playing whilst you were on the plane, | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
boarding and when you arrived at different cities. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:01 | |
And I was instantly interested and curious to who had composed | 0:12:01 | 0:12:08 | |
such beautiful tones, beautiful melodies, very catchy melodies. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:14 | |
In a way, the simplicity was magical | 0:12:14 | 0:12:18 | |
and the almost childlike progression of certain harmonies was so magical and priceless | 0:12:18 | 0:12:25 | |
that you found that that was a gift you were given forever more. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:31 | |
The trouble is in our culture, | 0:12:31 | 0:12:33 | |
when you put the word popular with creative, | 0:12:33 | 0:12:37 | |
it somehow demeans it. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
And that, to me, is a great tragedy. It's a great shame. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:44 | |
And there's a terrible, terrible snobbishness about that. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:48 | |
And I think the creative work I appreciate is work that | 0:12:48 | 0:12:52 | |
has an integrity, it has a power and meaning to it, yet it's inclusive. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:58 | |
And that's what we mean by popular. It is including people. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:02 | |
And, actually, I challenge people to say that is actually the hardest thing to do. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:07 | |
It's very easy to write a piece of music that 40 people think is fantastic. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:11 | |
It's very difficult to write a piece of music that holds onto its integrity, holds onto its meaning, | 0:13:11 | 0:13:17 | |
and millions of people admire. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
That's what's very difficult. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:22 | |
People knock advertising but it's such a skill to conjure up | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
a mood and a picture in, like, 30 seconds. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:40 | |
There's a real craft in doing that. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:42 | |
There is a feeling in the classical musical industry | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
that if it sells, it can't be any good. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:47 | |
And people can be very snobbish about film composers | 0:13:47 | 0:13:52 | |
and people who've come to the more serious side of classical music | 0:13:52 | 0:13:57 | |
from pop or jingles or whatever. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:01 | |
I think that it's very important to realise that, actually, | 0:14:01 | 0:14:04 | |
there is no merit in that at all, | 0:14:04 | 0:14:06 | |
because Shostakovich, for example, was a very eminent film writer, | 0:14:06 | 0:14:10 | |
Walton... I mean, many, many composers have written film music, | 0:14:10 | 0:14:14 | |
and they are greatly regarded today. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
So anybody, any contemporary composer, | 0:14:17 | 0:14:20 | |
who can actually find an audience gets my respect, | 0:14:20 | 0:14:24 | |
not just for commercial reasons, but for creative ones, too. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:28 | |
As to him starting off commercially, | 0:14:28 | 0:14:30 | |
or starting off in the field hat he's in, | 0:14:30 | 0:14:33 | |
I don't think it makes very much difference. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
He created a piece of music and the commercial company took it up, so... | 0:14:36 | 0:14:40 | |
I mean, I've been in things that were commercial as well. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
It doesn't mean to say I was anything different than what I am, | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
just a classical singer. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:47 | |
And he's a lovely composer. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:49 | |
Karl's career path has since followed a more traditional route, | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
but has never been predictable. | 0:14:56 | 0:14:58 | |
His musical collaborations and classical compositions | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
read like a Who's Who of the classical world, | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
from Dame Kiri Te Kanawa to Julian Lloyd Webber. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
I think Karl has a gift which... | 0:15:09 | 0:15:11 | |
People kind of think it's an easy gift, | 0:15:11 | 0:15:14 | |
but he can write very catchy things. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
He can write things with hooks on them | 0:15:17 | 0:15:20 | |
and people instantly remember it. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:23 | |
And that sounds easy, but it isn't, | 0:15:23 | 0:15:25 | |
and Karl definitely has that in spades. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:29 | |
I think that making a connection and communicating with an audience | 0:15:29 | 0:15:33 | |
is what it's all about, essentially. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:35 | |
And many, nowadays, don't do that. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
They don't make an emotional connection, | 0:15:38 | 0:15:40 | |
which is possibly why I'm not liked in certain circles, | 0:15:40 | 0:15:43 | |
because I write accessible music that is emotional | 0:15:43 | 0:15:47 | |
and does appeal to people. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:48 | |
I mean, some critic said to me once that I was emotionally manipulative, | 0:15:48 | 0:15:52 | |
which I think is quite a nice thing to say! | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
I'm quite proud of that, actually. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:57 | |
If I actually can, you know, make people's emotions change, | 0:15:57 | 0:16:01 | |
cos that's what I do. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:03 | |
So, yes, making a connection with an audience is crucially important. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:08 | |
One of Karl's most highly acclaimed and most popular pieces is | 0:16:22 | 0:16:26 | |
The Armed Man: A Mass For Peace. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:28 | |
With its haunting cello solo, Benedictus, | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
it has made Karl the world's most-performed living composer. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:35 | |
The idea behind the piece was they wanted a work, | 0:16:37 | 0:16:39 | |
calling it A Mass For Peace, | 0:16:39 | 0:16:41 | |
that told the story and the horrors of conflict, | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
but which looked forward towards a better future for mankind in 2000, | 0:16:44 | 0:16:48 | |
hoping for a century of peace and, of course, | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
it hasn't kicked off too well, this last 10 years, cos nothing's changed. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:55 | |
The piece is actually dedicated to the victims of Kosovo | 0:17:02 | 0:17:07 | |
because when I was writing it in 1999 or whenever, | 0:17:07 | 0:17:11 | |
just leading up to 2000, | 0:17:11 | 0:17:13 | |
that was the Iraq or Afghanistan of the day, if you like. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:18 | |
Erm, and one was constantly reminded of the horrors | 0:17:18 | 0:17:24 | |
that were taking place in the Balkans. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:28 | |
So I decided to dedicate it to | 0:17:28 | 0:17:30 | |
the memory of the victims of that conflict. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:34 | |
People respond to his music, | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
whether they're grieving, whether they're happy. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
All different kinds of reasons and different emotions. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
And he has amazing letters and e-mails from people. I mean... | 0:17:47 | 0:17:52 | |
It makes me want to cry, thinking about it, but, um, | 0:17:53 | 0:17:57 | |
a lady whose mother was murdered tragically, Christmas Day, | 0:17:57 | 0:18:03 | |
and she found enormous solace in | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
the Benedictus from The Armed Man, the mass, | 0:18:06 | 0:18:10 | |
and she just kept playing it and felt strengthened by it, really. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:16 | |
I remember I was standing in a record shop, | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
when they used to have record shops, | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
and this little old lady came up to me and recognised me. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
And she said her husband had just died and she wanted... | 0:18:25 | 0:18:31 | |
She was trying to find this beautiful cello piece with a choir, | 0:18:31 | 0:18:35 | |
and did I know what it was? | 0:18:35 | 0:18:37 | |
As soon as she said that, I knew what it was. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:39 | |
And I think there is something about Karl's music | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
that touches a lot of people's hearts. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:44 | |
So that's why he's an international composer. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
It's a very difficult thing to write music which has a serious purpose | 0:18:47 | 0:18:53 | |
and is trying to make a serious statement, | 0:18:53 | 0:18:55 | |
especially on some very difficult subjects sometimes, | 0:18:55 | 0:18:58 | |
if you think about the Balkan War, for example, | 0:18:58 | 0:19:01 | |
and yet to make it something that can resonate very popularly with people | 0:19:01 | 0:19:05 | |
because you need melody. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:07 | |
You need something that is memorable. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:09 | |
You need something that stays in the mind, | 0:19:09 | 0:19:12 | |
and yet you also need something | 0:19:12 | 0:19:13 | |
that is going to create a dynamic, energetic impact. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
Very few people can do it and Karl is certainly one of them. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:20 | |
The Armed Man, with its resonance and relevance to modern-day conflict, | 0:19:34 | 0:19:39 | |
played a significant role in the tenth anniversary of 9/11, | 0:19:39 | 0:19:43 | |
accompanied by the UK's largest choral society. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:46 | |
It was amazing coincidence that | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
the piece I'm performing in New York, on 9/11, | 0:19:49 | 0:19:54 | |
The Armed Man: A Mass For Peace | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
was actually released on the very day of 9/11. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:02 | |
When we were thinking about what repertoire to schedule for this, | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
the tenth anniversary, 9/11, New York, | 0:20:07 | 0:20:09 | |
we knew that we wanted to have Karl involved. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:13 | |
We've done so many of his different works | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
that they all would have worked, but it was just... | 0:20:16 | 0:20:19 | |
It's, again, difficult to put into words, | 0:20:19 | 0:20:22 | |
but The Armed Man just rose to the surface immediately, | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
because of the emotion, because of the ties to strife and war, | 0:20:25 | 0:20:30 | |
and how that leads to peace and hope. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
And that's what we're trying to do today. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:35 | |
# A shroud that mushroomed out | 0:20:35 | 0:20:39 | |
# And struck the dawn of the sky... # | 0:20:39 | 0:20:46 | |
# Black, red, blue | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
# Dance in the air... # | 0:20:54 | 0:21:01 | |
I'm very emotional about it all. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:06 | |
I haven't been able to sing one of the pieces without crying, | 0:21:06 | 0:21:10 | |
to be honest. But I do... | 0:21:10 | 0:21:12 | |
I think the horror of what happened, | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
the number of people who died in the way they died, | 0:21:15 | 0:21:19 | |
and the number of people who were never found... | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
I find it...heartbreaking, | 0:21:22 | 0:21:24 | |
quite honestly. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:26 | |
# Quivering like seaweed, the mass of flames spurts forward. # | 0:21:28 | 0:21:38 | |
It's such an honour to work with Karl Jenkins. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:45 | |
Karl is actually the most-performed living composer | 0:21:45 | 0:21:49 | |
of serious music alive today. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:52 | |
And we are delighted to be here. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
# The trumpet's loud clangour excites us to arms | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
# Excites us to arms | 0:21:58 | 0:22:00 | |
# Excites us to arms | 0:22:00 | 0:22:02 | |
# The trumpet's loud clangour excites us to arms | 0:22:02 | 0:22:06 | |
# Excites us to arms | 0:22:06 | 0:22:07 | |
# Excites us to arms... # | 0:22:07 | 0:22:09 | |
One audience member - she was nearly in tears, which was lovely. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:14 | |
She had seen one of the Twin Towers come down, actually, | 0:22:14 | 0:22:17 | |
from her flat ten years ago. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:19 | |
So she had come to this performance, | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
and she said she was really moved by it and thanked us, which was nice. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:25 | |
It's been something to allow us to reflect and to, you know, | 0:22:25 | 0:22:29 | |
remember where we were when it happened, | 0:22:29 | 0:22:31 | |
and I think the slogan 'never forget' is something | 0:22:31 | 0:22:34 | |
that we should try to live by, not just for things like 9/11, | 0:22:34 | 0:22:37 | |
but for other really big pillars of national and international significance | 0:22:37 | 0:22:41 | |
for our countries as we grow, and then also as individuals, | 0:22:41 | 0:22:44 | |
as we, you know, become better people because of the circumstances. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
It was a hugely moving experience. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:51 | |
It was a full house and a huge reaction at the end, | 0:22:51 | 0:22:55 | |
so it'll stay with me for ever, really, that whole experience. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:59 | |
And being in New York at that period as well had a... | 0:22:59 | 0:23:04 | |
not strange, but it had an emotional, tangible feel to it, you know, | 0:23:04 | 0:23:10 | |
to the ambience and the atmosphere, really. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
At the moment, we're in Gower, where I live when I'm not in London, | 0:23:20 | 0:23:25 | |
in my studio, which is where I work. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
But I work in London and I work wherever. I can work anywhere. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:32 | |
All I need is my basic materials which, nowadays, | 0:23:32 | 0:23:36 | |
comprise a keyboard and my laptop. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
It's beautiful here and it's kind of idyllic kind of area. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:46 | |
But that actually has no bearing on what I write. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:51 | |
As long as I have these basic tools, that's fine. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
I'm very disciplined, yeah, and I also don't believe in inspiration. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:59 | |
It's a job of work in one sense. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:02 | |
I rise very early, usually, 5 o'clock, and do a few hours. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:07 | |
I rest in the afternoon and do a couple more hours, | 0:24:07 | 0:24:11 | |
and then have the evening off. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:12 | |
That's usually my daily pattern, but I find if you don't do it, | 0:24:12 | 0:24:15 | |
it's no good kind of wandering around, | 0:24:15 | 0:24:17 | |
waiting for the muse to hit, or whatever. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
You have to do it. And the more you do it, the easier it gets, you know. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
It's like anything else creative. You have good days and bad days. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:28 | |
So the good days are kind of... | 0:24:28 | 0:24:30 | |
Progress is, is...kind of rapid, I suppose. You can work quickly. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:36 | |
And then the other days - it takes longer. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
From the land of storytellers, | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
this is a story of the land itself and of the peoples who've shaped it. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:59 | |
One of Karl's major projects for 2012 was composing the title music | 0:25:00 | 0:25:05 | |
for the landmark BBC Wales series, The Story Of Wales. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:08 | |
SOARING ORCHESTRAL MUSIC PLAYS | 0:25:08 | 0:25:14 | |
What we want more than anything is a music which is epic in its sweep, | 0:25:29 | 0:25:33 | |
which is powerful and which conveys, if you like, an arc of Welsh history. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:39 | |
That 30,000 years compressed into six hours. You need that sense of power. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:44 | |
Who are you going to turn to? | 0:25:44 | 0:25:45 | |
Well, there is only one person, in my view, that you turn to. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
That is Karl. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:49 | |
Because he has the knack of making music that is popular | 0:25:49 | 0:25:53 | |
but is also epic and significant in a statement he tries to make. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:59 | |
The brief was it had to have slightly epic, | 0:26:13 | 0:26:17 | |
convey the panorama of countryside | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
and in particular Welsh countryside, I suppose. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:25 | |
So I had to come up with a theme that had those qualities. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:29 | |
I'm happy to say that they liked what I presented. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:33 | |
What he's come up with something that is both beautiful and majestic, | 0:26:37 | 0:26:42 | |
fits the bill exactly. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:44 | |
And, key thing, very memorable. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
Music has always taken centre stage in the Jenkins household, | 0:26:47 | 0:26:52 | |
so it was a thriving environment for Carol and Karl | 0:26:52 | 0:26:54 | |
to bring up their son, Jody, | 0:26:54 | 0:26:56 | |
who would also go on to forge his own career | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
in the music industry as a percussionist | 0:26:59 | 0:27:01 | |
and also a successful composer for film and television. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
Take a seat. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:06 | |
I'll play you some stuff. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:08 | |
It was natural our son, | 0:27:09 | 0:27:11 | |
he inherited whatever genes we have in that direction. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:15 | |
He was a very successful percussionist, | 0:27:15 | 0:27:17 | |
won a scholarship at the Royal Academy, | 0:27:17 | 0:27:19 | |
and then changed to composition. He's now writing film music. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:23 | |
Growing up in the Jenkins household | 0:27:23 | 0:27:25 | |
was certainly very musically orientated. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:30 | |
I started having piano lessons at a very young age, | 0:27:30 | 0:27:35 | |
three or four with my mother. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:36 | |
It wasn't so much that I was always practising, | 0:27:36 | 0:27:38 | |
it's just that music was always around the house. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
I certainly remember being a lazy teenager in bed and being able | 0:27:41 | 0:27:45 | |
to hear two pianos being thumped downstairs in different rooms. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:49 | |
One from each of my two parent composers. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:52 | |
He has a similar outlook to me in many ways in that he also | 0:27:52 | 0:27:56 | |
doesn't put music in categories or compartments, as does Carol, | 0:27:56 | 0:28:00 | |
my wife is exactly the same. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:01 | |
We've a very broad outlook on different musical styles | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
and genres and appreciate music in different spheres, really. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:09 | |
We wrote a children's opera together, which was a nightmare. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:13 | |
Divorce was imminent because it took three months of me saying, | 0:28:13 | 0:28:17 | |
"Well, I'm not changing the words." | 0:28:17 | 0:28:19 | |
And he'd say, "I'm not changing the music." | 0:28:19 | 0:28:21 | |
But if you mentioned that to him now | 0:28:21 | 0:28:24 | |
he wouldn't recollect that it was difficult at all. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
And even Jody, I was writing some piano music one day | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
and he heard one bar and said, "I don't like that bar, mum." | 0:28:30 | 0:28:34 | |
Of course I said, "What do you mean you don't like that bar?" | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
But of course I did change it. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:40 | |
So the three of us, we listen to what the other person is saying. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:46 | |
Looking back, I suppose it was quite inevitable, | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
but I certainly wasn't pushed into music. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:55 | |
It was just that it was always around me | 0:28:55 | 0:28:56 | |
and always around the house. | 0:28:56 | 0:28:59 | |
I think I was made to feel that it was a worthwhile thing | 0:28:59 | 0:29:02 | |
to pursue at a hobby or amateur level. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:05 | |
And the passion just grew from there really. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
Professionally, we've worked on many great things together. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
Perhaps less so now, but early on I contributed lots of percussion | 0:29:11 | 0:29:15 | |
and production work to some of Adiemus project | 0:29:15 | 0:29:18 | |
and some of his other albums. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:20 | |
It was very gratifying. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:22 | |
It was a pleasure to work with him in that way. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:25 | |
We still do the occasional thing together. It's a lot of fun. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:30 | |
And perhaps it's Karl's experience of collaborating | 0:29:30 | 0:29:32 | |
with his closest family which may have contributed | 0:29:32 | 0:29:35 | |
to the way others feel about working with him. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
He's a very quiet man. You don't have any flying saucers. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:42 | |
There is not a sort of firework display at every corner. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:46 | |
He's just very unassuming and very quiet. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:50 | |
He's not mad, he's not eccentric I don't think. He's not a fireball. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:57 | |
But he quietly does this wonderful music. | 0:29:57 | 0:30:02 | |
He is very easy to work with. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:05 | |
He's very charming and his family are wonderful, too. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:09 | |
As for waiting an atomic bomb to go off every day, | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
it just doesn't happen. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:14 | |
But the stuff is all in his music, that's where it should be. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:19 | |
I want to work more with Karl. He's a very astute composer. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:25 | |
He's a gentleman, he's a scholar, he's very quiet. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:30 | |
But yet when he has something to say to you, | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
especially in the recording department when he's producing, | 0:30:32 | 0:30:35 | |
he tells you what should be said. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:39 | |
He has no qualms about saying, "You were flat, you were sharp, | 0:30:39 | 0:30:43 | |
"you were behind the beat, you were in front of the beat." | 0:30:43 | 0:30:46 | |
And the collaboration, that's what music is all about, | 0:30:46 | 0:30:49 | |
people working together. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:51 | |
MUSIC: FANFARA from THE PEACEMAKERS | 0:30:57 | 0:31:04 | |
In 2012, a major new work by Karl, The Peacemakers, | 0:31:04 | 0:31:07 | |
achieved another major commercial success | 0:31:07 | 0:31:10 | |
by going straight in at number one to the UK classical charts. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:14 | |
CHOIR SINGS 'FANFARA' FROM THE PEACEMAKERS | 0:31:14 | 0:31:19 | |
The text is drawn from iconic peacemakers | 0:31:19 | 0:31:22 | |
like Gandhi, Mandela, Martin Luther King, Dalai Lama. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:27 | |
Even Terry Waite has contributed some text. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:29 | |
I met Karl at the Eisteddfod. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:33 | |
We were chatting together and he said to me, | 0:31:33 | 0:31:38 | |
what are you doing now? | 0:31:38 | 0:31:40 | |
I said, "I'm writing a new book, and I'm writing a book of poetry." | 0:31:40 | 0:31:45 | |
Now that, his ears pricked up. He said, "Oh, that's very interesting. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:53 | |
"I'm currently writing a work on peace. Are you interested in that?" | 0:31:53 | 0:32:00 | |
I said I was very interested in it. I said, "I'd love to hear it." | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
He said, "Would you like to contribute towards it?" | 0:32:03 | 0:32:05 | |
We've got works in there from people far greater than myself, | 0:32:05 | 0:32:09 | |
from Ghandi, Desmond Tutu, or whoever, Mother Teresa. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:14 | |
I said, "I don't think I'm their scale | 0:32:14 | 0:32:16 | |
"but I'll try and write something for you." | 0:32:16 | 0:32:19 | |
# Peace is the fragile meeting | 0:32:19 | 0:32:24 | |
# Of two souls in harmony | 0:32:24 | 0:32:30 | |
# Peace is an embrace | 0:32:40 | 0:32:45 | |
# That protects and heals | 0:32:45 | 0:32:52 | |
I went away, wrote a small piece on peace and sent it off to him. | 0:32:52 | 0:33:00 | |
And then I heard no more for a while. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:03 | |
Then he came back and said, "It's been recorded, | 0:33:03 | 0:33:08 | |
"it's been sung by a soprano. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:10 | |
"The orchestra have now put the whole work together." | 0:33:10 | 0:33:17 | |
Honestly, I felt so honoured by that. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:22 | |
# I offer you peace, I offer you love | 0:33:22 | 0:33:28 | |
# I offer you, offer you friendship | 0:33:28 | 0:33:33 | |
# I see your beauty | 0:33:33 | 0:33:39 | |
# I hear your need | 0:33:39 | 0:33:45 | |
# I feel your feelings | 0:33:45 | 0:33:52 | |
# My wisdom flows from the highest source | 0:33:52 | 0:33:57 | |
# I salute that source in you... # | 0:33:57 | 0:34:02 | |
I'm not a pacifist in the sense I think some wars are justified, | 0:34:02 | 0:34:06 | |
like the Second World War when Europe was defended by Britain and the Allies. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:11 | |
But I don't think what's recently been happening in Iraq and elsewhere is justified. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:16 | |
That's my general view on it. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:19 | |
But I suppose people logically would welcome peace, | 0:34:19 | 0:34:23 | |
so in that sense it was important to me. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:26 | |
But I wasn't on any kind of crusade. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:28 | |
Karl is a remarkable man. He is remarkably modest. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:41 | |
He's a great humanitarian. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:44 | |
And humanitarians have a way of expressing themselves | 0:34:44 | 0:34:48 | |
through words, through actions. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:50 | |
Karl expresses his humanitarian understanding through music. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:55 | |
And his music is powerful | 0:34:55 | 0:34:58 | |
because he's able to convey deep emotions that lie within all of us. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:04 | |
And somehow resonate and communicate with people across a wide spectrum. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:09 | |
SWEEPING VIOLIN MUSIC | 0:35:09 | 0:35:18 | |
I feel that Karl's music has gained such commercial success because first of all, | 0:35:25 | 0:35:31 | |
it is completely appropriate to be performed in a live performance | 0:35:31 | 0:35:36 | |
or as part of a television advert or as part of film music. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:41 | |
For music to be so adaptable, someone like Bach's music, JS Bach, | 0:35:41 | 0:35:45 | |
he could do that, and we're doing that with his music today. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:50 | |
I feel that with Karl's music, | 0:35:50 | 0:35:52 | |
it will still be around for decades to come, for centuries to come. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:58 | |
CHOIR SINGS SOFTLY | 0:35:58 | 0:36:07 | |
CHOIR BUILDS TO CRESCENDO | 0:36:16 | 0:36:24 | |
To have the experience of seeing the man who actually composed the music. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:35 | |
If you saw Haydn conducting his own music, | 0:36:35 | 0:36:39 | |
it's the same sort of experience. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:41 | |
So that's what I'm looking forward to. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:44 | |
It's his music, he's interpreting it the way he wants to interpret it. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
SOARING CHORAL MUSIC | 0:36:47 | 0:36:55 | |
I feel very proud of him. | 0:36:57 | 0:36:59 | |
He's a true Welshman and he is the future of classical music. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:05 | |
He writes for our times. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:07 | |
He writes specific music that people can react to. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:11 | |
I think that's why people react to his music, and long may it continue. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:18 | |
FLUTE PLAYS PEACEFULLY | 0:37:18 | 0:37:26 | |
Many contemporary composers find it quite a struggle | 0:37:34 | 0:37:37 | |
during their lifetime, but I think he will be remembered through his music. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:43 | |
I think that he has already left a legacy which is very distinguished. | 0:37:43 | 0:37:48 | |
The exciting thing is that there's a lot more to come. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:52 | |
He's certainly not going to give up... Till he pops off. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:56 | |
Till he pops his clogs he'll be writing dots. | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
I'm trying to write ideas that live beyond the borders | 0:37:59 | 0:38:02 | |
of advertising but actually enter into popular culture. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:05 | |
And I want to work with people who can do that as well. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:08 | |
That's what, for me, Karl was able to create. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:11 | |
For me, he's a composer, he's a musician. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:15 | |
What kind of musician, what sort of composer? | 0:38:15 | 0:38:18 | |
I don't know, but he communicates right there. | 0:38:18 | 0:38:22 | |
He touches the very depths in people. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:23 | |
Now, how that happens and why that happens, I don't know. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:28 | |
Some music floats over the top of you. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:32 | |
You hear it and you don't necessarily, it doesn't touch you. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:36 | |
You can't listen to Karl's music without being touched by it. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:40 | |
That is a quality that he has, and all I can say is it's a gift. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:46 | |
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