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Eight, seven, six, five, four, three. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
OK, here we go. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:07 | |
Hello, chums. Are you sitting comfortably? | 0:00:08 | 0:00:11 | |
Then we'll begin the continuing story of Top Of The Pops. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:14 | |
# Pop, pop | 0:00:14 | 0:00:15 | |
# Pop music | 0:00:15 | 0:00:16 | |
# Pop, pop | 0:00:16 | 0:00:17 | |
# Pop music. # | 0:00:17 | 0:00:19 | |
1979, the year in which Top Of The Pops | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
celebrated its 15th anniversary, its 800th edition, | 0:00:22 | 0:00:27 | |
and was still the only pop show that mattered. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:30 | |
Your shiny mansion on the hill is to go and do Top Of The Pops. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:34 | |
If you did Top Of The Pops, you'd shoot up automatically 15 places. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
Top Of The Pops is like the Holy Grail. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
# Talk about | 0:00:40 | 0:00:41 | |
# Pop music, talk about | 0:00:41 | 0:00:44 | |
# Pop music... # | 0:00:44 | 0:00:45 | |
And in '79, the range of styles on Top Of The Pops was never greater. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:48 | |
You had punk... | 0:00:48 | 0:00:50 | |
# Oh, you silly thing! # | 0:00:50 | 0:00:52 | |
..turning into new wave... | 0:00:52 | 0:00:54 | |
# You've really gone and done it now. # | 0:00:54 | 0:00:56 | |
Disco was on fire... | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
# Hey-y-y-y-y, y'all | 0:00:59 | 0:01:01 | |
# I got all my sisters with me Oh-ha, oh-ha. # | 0:01:01 | 0:01:05 | |
Two Tone arrived, with bands like Madness... | 0:01:05 | 0:01:07 | |
# Even if I kept on running | 0:01:07 | 0:01:09 | |
# I'd never get to Orange Street. # | 0:01:09 | 0:01:11 | |
And that's not to mention reggae... | 0:01:12 | 0:01:14 | |
# Money in my pocket but I just can't get no love. # | 0:01:14 | 0:01:19 | |
..country... | 0:01:19 | 0:01:20 | |
# One day at a time | 0:01:20 | 0:01:23 | |
-# Sweet Jesus... # -The list goes on. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:25 | |
# Doctor, doctor, please! # | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
# Will a little more love make it right? # | 0:01:28 | 0:01:30 | |
But in spite of the musical merry-go-round... | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
# Found myself in a strange town... # | 0:01:33 | 0:01:34 | |
..a failing country was falling apart, with endless strikes | 0:01:34 | 0:01:38 | |
and conflict, and back at Top Of The Pops, | 0:01:38 | 0:01:42 | |
the cracks were starting to show. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:45 | |
MUSIC: "Cars" by Gary Numan | 0:01:45 | 0:01:47 | |
The programme was a little...weary, | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
and hamstrung by working practices. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:53 | |
Show me a man in the union that goes "ungh" for a living, | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
and I'm putting him out of work? I don't think so. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
It was the end of the decade | 0:01:59 | 0:02:01 | |
and the end of the line for '70s Top Of The Pops. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:03 | |
"CARS" CONTINUES | 0:02:05 | 0:02:06 | |
UPBEAT JAZZ MUSIC | 0:02:13 | 0:02:17 | |
In '79, with only three channels, Top Of The Pops | 0:02:17 | 0:02:20 | |
broadcast on Thursday night on BBC One after Tomorrow's World. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:25 | |
Good evening. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:27 | |
SPACEY SYNTH MUSIC | 0:02:27 | 0:02:28 | |
# It goes la, la, la, la, la, la... # | 0:02:33 | 0:02:35 | |
And in November '79, Top Of The Pops racked up | 0:02:35 | 0:02:38 | |
its highest-ever audience of 19 million viewers. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
# La, la, la, la, la, la, la... # | 0:02:41 | 0:02:43 | |
BEEP | 0:02:43 | 0:02:44 | |
But that might have had something to do with the fact ITV | 0:02:46 | 0:02:49 | |
happened to be on strike. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:51 | |
And that's how the whole year started. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
MUSIC: "Another Brick In The Wall (Part 2)" by Pink Floyd | 0:02:54 | 0:02:56 | |
# We don't need no education. # | 0:03:00 | 0:03:04 | |
The infamous Winter of Discontent | 0:03:06 | 0:03:08 | |
with the most working days lost since the general strike of 1926, | 0:03:08 | 0:03:12 | |
stopping rubbish collection, | 0:03:12 | 0:03:14 | |
closing railways, schools, hospitals, | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
turning the country into a ghost town. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
I'm hoping that common sense will prevail and all those involved will | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
think not only of themselves but of the children who won't be able to | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
go to school, | 0:03:26 | 0:03:27 | |
and for housewives who may find food supplies threatened in some way. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:31 | |
In Sedgefield, a grave digger strike forced desperate measures. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:36 | |
'It was Mrs Mary Mason's dying wish to be buried near her husband. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:40 | |
'Her two sons crossed the picket lines and dug the grave themselves.' | 0:03:40 | 0:03:44 | |
Of course, the threatened tanker drivers dispute, now that began to | 0:03:44 | 0:03:47 | |
spread, and then of course we begin to face problems in terms of fuel. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:51 | |
The government and unions were at war. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
Everybody felt it, | 0:03:54 | 0:03:55 | |
including a family show band from Salford just entering the charts. | 0:03:55 | 0:04:00 | |
# Do, do, do, do, do, do | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
# # Do, do, do, do, do, do... # | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
It was quite a stressful time | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
because the earlier part of '79, we'd had the Winter of Discontent. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
I remember, you had to plan your gigs out knowing where you | 0:04:11 | 0:04:15 | |
could do, where they would serve you petrol, and being | 0:04:15 | 0:04:18 | |
in a successful band, you were very fortunate that the garages... | 0:04:18 | 0:04:21 | |
You could phone a garage up and say, | 0:04:21 | 0:04:23 | |
"We're coming in at three o'clock in the morning. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:26 | |
"Do you think you could save us some petrol?", and they would. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
# I heard you on the wireless back in '52 | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
# Lying awake intently tuning in on you | 0:04:32 | 0:04:36 | |
# If I was young it didn't stop you coming through | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
# Oh-a, oh-a... # | 0:04:39 | 0:04:41 | |
The country may have been falling apart, | 0:04:41 | 0:04:43 | |
but in the world of pop, business was booming. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
Unbelievably, 1979 was the biggest year for single | 0:04:48 | 0:04:52 | |
sales in the UK ever in recorded history. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
# Radio star... | 0:04:55 | 0:04:57 | |
# You are... # | 0:04:58 | 0:05:01 | |
And many of those seven inch and new-fangled 12 inch single | 0:05:01 | 0:05:05 | |
sales were in the unstoppable genre of disco. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
Well, it's Top Of The Pops, it's music, and it's Chic, Le Freak! | 0:05:08 | 0:05:12 | |
# Freak out! | 0:05:12 | 0:05:14 | |
# Le freak, C'est Chic | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
# Freak out! # | 0:05:16 | 0:05:17 | |
One man who hit big in '79 with disco found the show's ties to | 0:05:17 | 0:05:21 | |
light entertainment were unchanged | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
since his first appearance as a backing musician some years earlier. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:27 | |
The first time we appeared on Top Of The Pops, | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
we were in a group called New York City. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:34 | |
We were, like, a one-hit wonder. We had a song called I'm Doing Fine Now. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:38 | |
# I'm doing fine now... | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
# Without you, baby. # | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
We were doing seriously cool R&B Philly sound, | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
and then the chap who came on right after us... | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
Terrific! | 0:05:51 | 0:05:53 | |
But he came out and he went... | 0:05:53 | 0:05:55 | |
# There once was an ugly ducking. # | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
# There once was an ugly duckling... # | 0:05:59 | 0:06:03 | |
And, like, the whole crowd was jamming with him, | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
and we were like, "Whoa!". | 0:06:06 | 0:06:08 | |
It's most interesting music show I've ever seen. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:10 | |
# Now freak! # | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
Nile Rodgers's Chic had four disco anthems on Top Of The Pops | 0:06:18 | 0:06:22 | |
in 1979, starting with signature tune, Le Freak... | 0:06:22 | 0:06:26 | |
# I said freak! # | 0:06:26 | 0:06:28 | |
..which almost didn't make it onto the show. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:30 | |
When we played that record for the record company, true story, | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
by the time that song ended, | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
the entire conference room was empty cos they were all outside | 0:06:36 | 0:06:40 | |
trying to figure out how to tell us how much it stank. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
# Now freak! # | 0:06:43 | 0:06:44 | |
Do you want to know the biggest-selling | 0:06:44 | 0:06:46 | |
record in the history of Atlantic Records, which is | 0:06:46 | 0:06:48 | |
the record company of Cream, Led Zeppelin, Crosby, Stills | 0:06:48 | 0:06:51 | |
and Nash, all these huge acts, Aretha Franklin, Ray Charles, John Coltrane? | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
Le Freak! | 0:06:55 | 0:06:57 | |
# Just come on down | 0:06:57 | 0:06:58 | |
# To 54 | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
# Find a spot | 0:07:01 | 0:07:02 | |
# Out on the floor | 0:07:02 | 0:07:03 | |
# Ahhh, freak out! # | 0:07:03 | 0:07:05 | |
And in '79, Nile's funky hits weren't just with Chic. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:09 | |
Our man of the year and his team were unstoppable, | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
and wrote hits for three other bands as well. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:15 | |
We are going to have Sister Sledge | 0:07:15 | 0:07:16 | |
and He's The Greatest Dancer at number six! | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
# Ah-wah, wow! | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
# He's the greatest dancer | 0:07:21 | 0:07:23 | |
# Ah-wah, wow! | 0:07:23 | 0:07:24 | |
# That I've ever seen. # | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
They had it. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:28 | |
They absolutely had it, and they didn't just have it as a group, | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
they had it to give and to share to other people. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
I usually work with people, typically, | 0:07:33 | 0:07:38 | |
to revive their careers or start their careers. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:42 | |
Here's Sheila B Devotion and Spacer. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
# He's... | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
# A spacer | 0:07:50 | 0:07:53 | |
# A star chaser. # | 0:07:53 | 0:07:55 | |
Sheila and B Devotion, the year before, they'd been | 0:07:55 | 0:07:58 | |
Sheila B Devotion, horrible version of Singing In The Rain. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
# I'm singing in the rain | 0:08:01 | 0:08:05 | |
# Just singing in the rain. # | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
And then you've got Spacer. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:10 | |
What an absolutely incredible record that was. It was just terrific. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:14 | |
# He's... | 0:08:14 | 0:08:16 | |
# A spacer | 0:08:16 | 0:08:18 | |
# A star... # | 0:08:19 | 0:08:20 | |
So warm. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:22 | |
No matter how nasty people felt disco was, they couldn't | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
say that the music that Nile Rodgers and Ben Edwards made was nasty. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:29 | |
ROCK MUSIC | 0:08:30 | 0:08:31 | |
But in '79, disco's hold on the charts was peaking, | 0:08:34 | 0:08:37 | |
even for a jury of showbiz grand dames like Joan Collins, | 0:08:37 | 0:08:42 | |
Elaine Paige and Johnny Rotten. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
I think we're oversaturated with disco. We're being pulverised by it. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:49 | |
I think it should stop, | 0:08:49 | 0:08:51 | |
and I think that it's time we found something very, very different. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:55 | |
The problem with 1979 is that, as great as it was for us | 0:08:55 | 0:08:59 | |
on Top Of The Pops, it also was the year that... | 0:08:59 | 0:09:04 | |
..was unfortunately the end, really, of Chic getting hit records. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:10 | |
We never had a number one record ever again. That's it. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:14 | |
From top five with Le Freak C'est Chic, Nile's gang was now | 0:09:16 | 0:09:20 | |
thought of for novelty records, | 0:09:20 | 0:09:22 | |
a collection of sheep noises set to a disco beat, | 0:09:22 | 0:09:26 | |
and the lone punk on the Juke Box Jury panel was not amused. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:30 | |
Johnny Rotten. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:32 | |
Rubbish. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:35 | |
ROARING LAUGHTER AND CHEERING | 0:09:35 | 0:09:36 | |
And the audience agrees, so it's a miss all round. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:44 | |
Next, he set his sights on Top Of The Pops. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
This is Public Image Ltd and Death Disco. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
# Seeing in your eyes, ah! # | 0:09:58 | 0:10:03 | |
When we had Public Image in the studio, there was a lot of, | 0:10:03 | 0:10:05 | |
"Oh, we've got this edgy band in. Are they going to behave themselves? | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
"Are they going to do something really shocking?" | 0:10:08 | 0:10:11 | |
# Words can never say the way | 0:10:11 | 0:10:13 | |
# Told me in your eyes. # | 0:10:13 | 0:10:18 | |
'I've only found out' | 0:10:18 | 0:10:19 | |
over the years how nervous we made people. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
I think we pre-recorded. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
I don't think it was live, because we were real spontaneous, | 0:10:25 | 0:10:29 | |
really couldn't care less about offending people, | 0:10:29 | 0:10:33 | |
in fact, probably hoped to. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:35 | |
# Never really know... # | 0:10:35 | 0:10:37 | |
It was almost like a contempt for the programme, really, | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
in the fact that he's turning away from the audience, he's got the headphones on, | 0:10:40 | 0:10:44 | |
but he understands there's a message that he wants to get out there. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
Death Disco was Public Image's take on disco. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:50 | |
So, you know, it had a dark aspect. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:53 | |
Maybe not everyone appreciated just how dark a sound that was | 0:10:53 | 0:10:57 | |
because it was on Top Of The Pops. | 0:10:57 | 0:10:58 | |
The song that talks about rotting flowers and the death of his mother. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:02 | |
# Watch her slowly die. # | 0:11:02 | 0:11:07 | |
Personal, I was very cheeky and lairy, | 0:11:07 | 0:11:11 | |
and when I got to the BBC, the first thing, "Where's make-up? | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
"I've got to go to make-up. I want my teeth blacked out." | 0:11:14 | 0:11:18 | |
And a few people half-heartedly tried to talk me out of it. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:22 | |
I wasn't having it, and I couldn't wait. You know, "Where's the camera? | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
"Here it comes! Urgh!" | 0:11:25 | 0:11:27 | |
The whole thing, normally, about going on telly, obviously, | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
is you want to look glamorous and look your best. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:37 | |
# Never realise... # | 0:11:37 | 0:11:38 | |
And I thought it was a laugh to look really horrible. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
I think I had talked about having big spots put on my face | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
and I think I got talked out of that. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:46 | |
But one thing that upstart new wave bands often found is | 0:11:49 | 0:11:53 | |
they made the show's producers reach for their slightly dated | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
palette of special effects. | 0:11:56 | 0:11:58 | |
# With anxiety! | 0:11:58 | 0:11:59 | |
# Babylon's burning Babylon's burning. # | 0:12:01 | 0:12:03 | |
You've done your show. You go back home, you've got to watch it. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:07 | |
# Babylon's burning... # | 0:12:07 | 0:12:09 | |
"It's The Ruts with Babylon's Burning!" and # Dun-dun-dun-dun. # | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
And these kind of really cheap effect flames come up | 0:12:15 | 0:12:19 | |
and we're like, "What?!", you know. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:21 | |
Really embarrassing and your mates kind of poking you. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:25 | |
THUNDERING BASS LINE | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
MUSIC: "Into The Valley" by The Skids | 0:12:28 | 0:12:33 | |
ELECTRIC GUITAR CHORDS | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
But special effects couldn't disguise a punk iceberg | 0:12:42 | 0:12:46 | |
heading straight for the good ship Top Of The Pops. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:48 | |
# Into the valley | 0:12:48 | 0:12:52 | |
# Betrothed and divine | 0:12:52 | 0:12:54 | |
# Realisation's no virtue | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
# But who can define | 0:12:57 | 0:12:58 | |
# Why soldiers go marching Those masses a line? # | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
The show's crew of long-serving light entertainers were | 0:13:01 | 0:13:05 | |
lined up in the sights of the young new wave generation. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
It was such a mixed bag, Top Of The Pops. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
I mean, you'd have on one show something like The Nolans. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:17 | |
# Yeah! Yeah! | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
# I'm in the mood for dancing | 0:13:20 | 0:13:24 | |
# Romancing... # | 0:13:24 | 0:13:26 | |
And then you'd have a punk band or a new wave-ish band, you know, | 0:13:26 | 0:13:31 | |
sort of coming on, and it was surreal sometimes. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
# Ooh, so come on and hold me tight | 0:13:34 | 0:13:38 | |
# Dancing | 0:13:38 | 0:13:39 | |
# Dancing... # | 0:13:39 | 0:13:41 | |
At the time, of course, we were kind of the cheesy Nolans. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
That was our image and it was, you know, Irish sisters all singing in | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
nice harmonies and dressed the same, which was quite a difficult | 0:13:47 | 0:13:52 | |
image to have, because we were just normal girls. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:56 | |
# I'm in the mood for dancing... # | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
You know, we did get stick from other bands, like punk bands. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:04 | |
One in particular, I remember, when we were doing I'm In The Mood For Dancing, The Skids were on. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:08 | |
# Where the air turned red as the bodies bled | 0:14:08 | 0:14:10 | |
# Into a schoolboy's dream | 0:14:10 | 0:14:12 | |
# But who were there could only stare | 0:14:12 | 0:14:14 | |
# Into this wondrous scene? | 0:14:14 | 0:14:16 | |
# Yankee... | 0:14:16 | 0:14:18 | |
# To war! # | 0:14:18 | 0:14:20 | |
My memory of Top Of The Pops from that era is pretty miserable. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
I mean, it was the biggest show on television, no doubt about it, | 0:14:23 | 0:14:27 | |
but it was always inhabited by the most moronic acts, the kind | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
of acts that made you want to be in a punk band in the first place. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:33 | |
I don't know, maybe they were just trying to live up to their image, | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
but as we passed their dressing room going to our dressing room, | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
they spat out in front of us on the floor. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:43 | |
If you think about the context, we were so miserably | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
unhappy about being here, and it was like a kind of prison for us. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:50 | |
# A German son with a Yankee gun | 0:14:50 | 0:14:52 | |
# And a uniform much older | 0:14:52 | 0:14:54 | |
# Yankee... # | 0:14:54 | 0:14:56 | |
Of course our record company was shepherding us on, and in effect, | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
they had four mad Irish women who were going to chin them, | 0:14:59 | 0:15:03 | |
but they got away with it that time. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
# Wanted | 0:15:06 | 0:15:07 | |
# Boy, you're everything I ever wanted | 0:15:07 | 0:15:11 | |
# Now all I got's a memory... # | 0:15:11 | 0:15:13 | |
In '79, another top five act from the world of working men's clubs, | 0:15:13 | 0:15:17 | |
The Dooleys... | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
# Boy, you know you got me | 0:15:19 | 0:15:20 | |
# Cos you're wanted... # | 0:15:20 | 0:15:22 | |
..found themselves on the same show... | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
..as lairy punk rockers Generation X. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:30 | |
# King Kong, King Kong. # | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
We arrived one sunny day at Television Centre. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:37 | |
And there on the roof stood certain young members of Generation X, | 0:15:37 | 0:15:44 | |
and they were all relieving themselves on the crowd down below. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:49 | |
# Oh, we.... | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
# We are the chosen few. # | 0:15:52 | 0:15:56 | |
The commissionaires with their hats on were shouting up, "Oi! | 0:15:56 | 0:16:01 | |
"What do you think you're doing?!", | 0:16:01 | 0:16:02 | |
and back came the reply, "We're making a statement!" | 0:16:02 | 0:16:06 | |
# Oh, and we... | 0:16:06 | 0:16:10 | |
# We are the lucky people | 0:16:10 | 0:16:12 | |
# You got me | 0:16:13 | 0:16:15 | |
# And I got you | 0:16:15 | 0:16:17 | |
# We're the chosen few. # | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
But it is possible Generation X were on the roof of TV Centre | 0:16:20 | 0:16:24 | |
for another reason - | 0:16:24 | 0:16:26 | |
in search of the BBC club and bar, | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
a Shangri-La of subsidised, cheap booze. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:33 | |
Most of the time it was just sitting in a dressing room, | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
bored out of your brain, wondering when you can go to the BBC bar. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:40 | |
But the hallowed walls of the BBC Club and bar, | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
untouched by human hands since its opening in 1960, | 0:16:47 | 0:16:51 | |
were restricted to BBC Club members only. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:55 | |
Every band member, of course, rocked up to the BBC bar tried to | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
go in and say, "You know, I'm a friend of..." | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
and there was this huge, great big bloke on the door. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:07 | |
They had a commissionaire. They were ex-army sergeants, usually. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:11 | |
Wore a hat and uniform, sign you in. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
He had this massive, great old handle moustache. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:16 | |
Honest to God, the bribery that used to go on to these men to try | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
and get into the BBC bar. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
He wasn't having it. He'd heard every story on the planet. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:24 | |
Yeah. Barry? This is my problem here. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:28 | |
'A few studios along, in number three, | 0:17:28 | 0:17:30 | |
'there's a new classic serial in rehearsal. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:33 | |
'This sort of production uses a great deal of scenery.' | 0:17:33 | 0:17:38 | |
The social mix of the BBC bar reflected a TV Centre which, | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
in '79, was in its bustling heyday, | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
producing a vast array of programmes. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:46 | |
'Lunchtime, | 0:17:46 | 0:17:48 | |
'and there are four canteens to choose from at the centre. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:51 | |
'Here, secretaries and sound engineers | 0:17:51 | 0:17:53 | |
'can mingle with cardinals and kings.' | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
The mix of the BBC Club afterwards was great, because you'd see | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
people who were coming off the sets of a popular drama. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:02 | |
"Oh, look, there's Soames from Forsyte Saga", or there'd be | 0:18:02 | 0:18:05 | |
someone from Blue Peter, or "And there's Doctor Who over there!" | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
'Think of the thing which has frightened you | 0:18:08 | 0:18:10 | |
'most on Doctor Who recently. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:12 | |
'The chances are that it started life here.' | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
Yes, can we please keep it quiet, studio? | 0:18:15 | 0:18:17 | |
We're trying to camera rehearse. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:18 | |
SCREECHING ROAR | 0:18:18 | 0:18:21 | |
I remember going to the bar, and I thought, "This is a bit of me." | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
It was a bit like the bar in Blade Runner. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:28 | |
It was all geezers dressed as aliens from the film set of Doctor Who, | 0:18:29 | 0:18:33 | |
and they were cab drivers. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:34 | |
So I'm at the bar with a geezer dressed as an alien, and it | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
was from Bermondsey or something, as I recall, cab driver. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:40 | |
You know, extra. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:41 | |
Good evening. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:45 | |
I remember thinking, "These geezers are great. "They're getting stuck in | 0:18:45 | 0:18:49 | |
very early in the day, like me". So, yeah. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:51 | |
For a moment, everyone's kind of equal. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
# For once in my life... # | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
I mean, I saw Mr Tony Bennett. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:01 | |
# ..I have someone who needs me. # | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
You know, a bit of a fan. I like good singers, you know. No offence! | 0:19:04 | 0:19:08 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:19:08 | 0:19:09 | |
I like good singers. So anyhow, I went and said, | 0:19:09 | 0:19:12 | |
"Oh, hello, Mr Bennett, I just wanted to say hello." | 0:19:12 | 0:19:14 | |
# ..For once unafraid... # | 0:19:14 | 0:19:16 | |
We spoke for about ten minutes. He was very encouraging. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
He told me to follow my dream and carry on, work hard and what | 0:19:19 | 0:19:23 | |
a great thing it was to be able to do something you love for a living. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:27 | |
-Pure class. -Pure class. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:30 | |
So, joining Tony Bennett at the BBC bar in '79 are... | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
..The Ruts, Madness, Legs & Co, | 0:19:35 | 0:19:39 | |
Soames from Forsyte Saga, Jah Wobble, | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
aliens from Doctor Who and this lot from Camberley. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:46 | |
# Every lousy Monday morning | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
# Heathrow jets go crashing over our home. # | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
Luckily, I had a friend who was filming The Onedin Line in the next studio, | 0:19:52 | 0:19:57 | |
and because of her, we were able to go to the BBC bar afterwards. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:01 | |
-I'll see you at the club. -Aye. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:11 | |
There's one character who played this old captain, Captain Baines. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:17 | |
You're out of line, mister! | 0:20:17 | 0:20:19 | |
He was terrified that we were there initially, because he thought, | 0:20:19 | 0:20:22 | |
"Oh, my God, punk rockers," | 0:20:22 | 0:20:24 | |
and he'd read all the tabloids about how terrible we were. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
You listen! | 0:20:27 | 0:20:29 | |
If you don't get those two of this ship then we damn well will. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:33 | |
Suddenly there are these suburban, sort of middle-class boys | 0:20:33 | 0:20:37 | |
being quite polite | 0:20:37 | 0:20:39 | |
and being quite thrilled that they are in a cheap bar and not really | 0:20:39 | 0:20:43 | |
wanting to do anything to get expelled from the Holy Grail of cheap booze. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:48 | |
61. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:50 | |
Take up the bar, then, Annie. Take up 65. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
Alongside The Members, as part of the new wave vanguard, | 0:20:53 | 0:20:57 | |
the Top Of The Pops studio was graced with the new emerging model of pop front man. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:01 | |
Cue applause... | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
From Joe Jackson to Andy Partridge... | 0:21:03 | 0:21:06 | |
And now Elvis Costello. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:08 | |
# Don't know where to begin... # | 0:21:08 | 0:21:10 | |
The angry young nerd. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:13 | |
# Love doesn't wait for ever It's now or never. # | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
Elvis Costello was in a rather combative relationship with | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
Top Of The Pops, with television generally, he was the "angry young man." | 0:21:19 | 0:21:23 | |
When asked what inspired him to write songs, "Hate and revenge." | 0:21:23 | 0:21:26 | |
# Accidents will happen We only hit and run | 0:21:26 | 0:21:30 | |
# I don't want to hear it cos I know what I've done. # | 0:21:30 | 0:21:36 | |
And Elvis's passion seeped out of every pore | 0:21:36 | 0:21:39 | |
and luminous fabric of his cool nerd image. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
Elvis Costello, you know, great suit. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:45 | |
Sweated an awful lot, though, didn't he? | 0:21:45 | 0:21:47 | |
# Don't start that talking | 0:21:49 | 0:21:52 | |
# I could talk all night | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
# My mind goes sleepwalking | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
# While I'm putting the world to right. # | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
Elvis's image bordered on court jester, with a knowing look | 0:22:01 | 0:22:05 | |
and singalong choruses, like Oliver's Army. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
# Oliver's army is here to stay, Oliver's army... # | 0:22:08 | 0:22:13 | |
We had it marked down as a B-side. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:14 | |
We had no idea it was even single material. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:17 | |
It was our version of an Abba song, with all the jangly pianos | 0:22:17 | 0:22:21 | |
and things. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:23 | |
SONG CONTINUES | 0:22:23 | 0:22:25 | |
# There was a checkpoint Charlie. # | 0:22:29 | 0:22:31 | |
But the pop gloss hid provocative, even political comment. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:35 | |
And in '79 Elvis pushed the boundaries on Top Of The Pops | 0:22:35 | 0:22:39 | |
by using a word that was loaded with meaning. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:42 | |
# All it takes one itchy trigger | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
# One more widow one less white nigger. # | 0:22:45 | 0:22:49 | |
He's speaking in the voice of a young soldier from the North East | 0:22:49 | 0:22:55 | |
who, to get out of having no job, | 0:22:55 | 0:22:56 | |
joins the army, gets sent to Northern Ireland, | 0:22:56 | 0:22:59 | |
where there was a dehumanisation of the people they were killing. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:03 | |
He's saying this is what they were thinking. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:05 | |
Oliver's Army was a bitter take on the ongoing Troubles | 0:23:05 | 0:23:09 | |
in the year the IRA murdered Airey Neave | 0:23:09 | 0:23:13 | |
and the British Army marked a ten-year presence. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
The N-word, "white nigger" | 0:23:16 | 0:23:18 | |
was being supportive of people who were being abused by the system. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:23 | |
Just an itchy trigger - boom! - you know, gone. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:25 | |
# But there's no danger It's a professional career | 0:23:25 | 0:23:32 | |
# And I would rather be anywhere else than here today. # | 0:23:32 | 0:23:39 | |
While Elvis got away with an unspeakable word in Oliver's Army, | 0:23:39 | 0:23:44 | |
Chas & Dave weren't so lucky. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:46 | |
# There is a word that I don't understand | 0:23:49 | 0:23:52 | |
# I hear it every day from my old man | 0:23:52 | 0:23:56 | |
# It may be cockney rhyming slang | 0:23:56 | 0:23:59 | |
# It ain't in no school book. # | 0:23:59 | 0:24:01 | |
I remember in '79 doing Gertcha, the producer came over and said, | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
"Before you do it, I'm glad you're doing the vocals live | 0:24:04 | 0:24:09 | |
"because there's a word I want you to cut out. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
"What?" "Can you cut the word 'cowson' out?" | 0:24:12 | 0:24:17 | |
I remember saying to him, "Why?" | 0:24:17 | 0:24:19 | |
He went, "My mother heard it on Radio One this morning and she called me | 0:24:19 | 0:24:24 | |
"and she's informed me that it's an old-fashioned Victorian swearword. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:28 | |
"So I'd be really happy | 0:24:28 | 0:24:30 | |
"if you can cut it out or substitute it for something else." | 0:24:30 | 0:24:35 | |
And I talked to Dave and we came up with a couple of other words | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
beginning with F and C, but he didn't want to know about that. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
# He says it every time that he gets mad | 0:24:41 | 0:24:44 | |
# A regular caution is my old dad | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
# Rub the old man up the wrong way... # | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
So we did it and I remember having one more run-through | 0:24:50 | 0:24:54 | |
and I accidentally said it... | 0:24:54 | 0:24:55 | |
# Gertcha, cowson, gertcha! # | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
"Stop! Say that once more, you're off the show." | 0:24:58 | 0:25:02 | |
# Rub the old man up the wrong way | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
# Bet your life you'll hear him say..." | 0:25:04 | 0:25:07 | |
And when we did the final take... | 0:25:07 | 0:25:10 | |
# Gertcha... Gercha! Gertcha! # | 0:25:10 | 0:25:13 | |
I looked at Dave and my eyes sort of spun round. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:16 | |
# Gertcha! When the paperboy's half an hour late, gertcha! # | 0:25:16 | 0:25:20 | |
It was our mums and dads and our uncles and aunts and grandads, | 0:25:20 | 0:25:25 | |
it was their word, they used to say it - "You cowson! | 0:25:25 | 0:25:27 | |
"Gertcha, cowson!" Gertcha sort of went with it - "Gertcha, cowson!" | 0:25:27 | 0:25:32 | |
-It's such an inoffensive word, isn't it, really? -Son of a cow. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:37 | |
# Gertcha! Gertcha! # | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
You can say anything but don't say the C-word. What's the C-word? | 0:25:40 | 0:25:44 | |
That's the C-word, "cowson". | 0:25:44 | 0:25:46 | |
Meanwhile, in the outside world, | 0:25:53 | 0:25:56 | |
a certain someone was making a big impression. | 0:25:56 | 0:25:59 | |
Where there is doubt, may we bring faith, | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
and where there is despair, may we bring hope. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:05 | |
Elected as Prime Minister in May '79, Margaret Thatcher | 0:26:05 | 0:26:09 | |
soon identified her first enemy and was ready with a new broom. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:13 | |
What madness it is that winter after winter | 0:26:13 | 0:26:18 | |
we have great set piece battles | 0:26:18 | 0:26:20 | |
in which the powerful unions do so much damage to | 0:26:20 | 0:26:24 | |
the industries on which their members' living standards depend. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:28 | |
And in a parallel universe called Top Of The Pops... | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
# They call me the Iron Lady | 0:26:36 | 0:26:40 | |
# Tell you I'm hard as nails. # | 0:26:40 | 0:26:43 | |
In a microcosm of the conflict, the unions were fighting their corner. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:50 | |
I'll never forget my brother Frank, who played lead guitar. | 0:26:56 | 0:27:00 | |
We got up on stage to do our rehearsal... | 0:27:00 | 0:27:02 | |
# Honey, I'm lost... # | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
And because he played guitar, his microphone was in the wrong | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
place, and he picked up the mic stand and moved it | 0:27:08 | 0:27:11 | |
and all of a sudden there was a walk-out because an artist had | 0:27:11 | 0:27:15 | |
taken somebody's job and moved a mic stand. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
It was that silly at times. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:20 | |
And in '79 American disco acts frequently brought their | 0:27:21 | 0:27:24 | |
studio-finessed songs to the show | 0:27:24 | 0:27:26 | |
to find they wouldn't be backed by their own recording, sounding like this... | 0:27:26 | 0:27:30 | |
SLICK DISCO INTRO | 0:27:30 | 0:27:32 | |
..but were obliged, through Musicians' Union rules, to play | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
with the Top Of The Pops Orchestra, a staple of the show since 1964. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:44 | |
TURGID INTRO | 0:27:44 | 0:27:47 | |
# Ain't no stopping us now | 0:27:53 | 0:27:56 | |
# We're on the move | 0:27:56 | 0:27:58 | |
# Yessir! Yes! | 0:27:58 | 0:28:01 | |
# Ain't no stopping us now We got the groove. # | 0:28:01 | 0:28:06 | |
The Musicians' Union insisted that | 0:28:06 | 0:28:10 | |
if there was an artist that had an orchestra on the track, | 0:28:10 | 0:28:14 | |
they would have to work with the BBC Orchestra. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
# I know we've got a long, long way to go | 0:28:17 | 0:28:21 | |
# And where we'll end up I don't know. # | 0:28:21 | 0:28:25 | |
I was on the same show with McFadden and Whitehead. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:28 | |
They were great, but the backing track wasn't wonderful. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:31 | |
-STILTED: -# La la la la # | 0:28:31 | 0:28:36 | |
Because they're classically trained musicians, a little bit wooden, | 0:28:36 | 0:28:40 | |
a bit stiff. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:42 | |
# La la la la. # | 0:28:42 | 0:28:45 | |
When you're dealing with an orchestra, they're playing | 0:28:45 | 0:28:49 | |
what's on the sheet, and what's on the groove is not in the sheet. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:52 | |
# In this world there is much confusion | 0:28:54 | 0:28:59 | |
# And I've tasted city life and it's not for me... # | 0:28:59 | 0:29:02 | |
At the time, in '79, I was working with the Jacksons. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:05 | |
# ..I dream of distant places. # | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
The problem there is that you work with the best - the ultimate session | 0:29:08 | 0:29:12 | |
bass player or the world-class session guitarist from LA. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:17 | |
Suddenly, I've got them on stage | 0:29:17 | 0:29:19 | |
working with very competent musicians | 0:29:19 | 0:29:22 | |
but a brass section that would rather go to the bar | 0:29:22 | 0:29:24 | |
and have a drink at lunch time. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:26 | |
# I want destiny! Destiny! | 0:29:26 | 0:29:31 | |
# It's the place for me. # | 0:29:31 | 0:29:33 | |
Joe Jackson, Jackson's father, was a stickler for everything being right. | 0:29:33 | 0:29:37 | |
# Ah, destiny! # | 0:29:37 | 0:29:39 | |
I would get it in the ear. "Judd, they haven't got the groove. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:44 | |
"The brass players are all over the place, | 0:29:44 | 0:29:46 | |
"the string players are slack." What could I say? | 0:29:46 | 0:29:49 | |
ELECTRONIC INTRO | 0:29:52 | 0:29:54 | |
The story I'm about to tell you is one of the most extraordinary | 0:29:54 | 0:29:57 | |
tales of our time. | 0:29:57 | 0:29:59 | |
It's a story of change. Some say it's a change for the worse. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:05 | |
The Musicians' Union, for a year or two, tried to ban me, | 0:30:05 | 0:30:10 | |
because they said I was putting proper musicians out of work! | 0:30:10 | 0:30:14 | |
How offensive is that? | 0:30:14 | 0:30:16 | |
# Here in my car I feel safest of all | 0:30:16 | 0:30:20 | |
# I can lock all my doors | 0:30:20 | 0:30:22 | |
# It's the only way to live in cars. # | 0:30:22 | 0:30:26 | |
A keyboard synthesiser can simulate everything from a harpsichord | 0:30:26 | 0:30:30 | |
or violin to a full brass band. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
It's very exciting. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:34 | |
# It keeps me stable all night in cars. # | 0:30:34 | 0:30:37 | |
The thing is, if I had people doing, like, strings, which a real person | 0:30:37 | 0:30:41 | |
could have played, I'd have had some sympathy for what they were saying. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:44 | |
The synthesisers going...uurrgh! | 0:30:44 | 0:30:48 | |
You know, show me a man in the union that goes uurrgh for a living | 0:30:48 | 0:30:51 | |
and I'm putting him out of work. I don't think so. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:54 | |
To get banned by the union meant I couldn't have | 0:30:58 | 0:31:00 | |
gone on Top Of The Pops. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:02 | |
They were trying to kill my career based on ignorance. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
I wasn't putting anyone out of work. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:07 | |
There was nothing on my albums that I could have got a human being in to do. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:10 | |
SYNTHESISER | 0:31:10 | 0:31:13 | |
In May '79, Gary debuted with his ground-breaking electro sound | 0:31:13 | 0:31:18 | |
and an unforgettable look. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:21 | |
# It's cold outside | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
# And the paint's peeling off of my walls. # | 0:31:26 | 0:31:28 | |
I made it my record of the week on Radio One, so I was really delighted that he got a Top Of The Pops slot. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:33 | |
And I was instantly drawn to them. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:34 | |
I thought, "This is a mesmerising performer." | 0:31:34 | 0:31:36 | |
# In a long coat, grey hat smoking a cigarette. # | 0:31:36 | 0:31:40 | |
This guy bounces onto Top Of The Pops for the very first time | 0:31:42 | 0:31:45 | |
and he decides, "This is the way I'm going to play it." | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
He just did some little jerky movements, | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
little head movements and looked a bit...disinterested in life. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:56 | |
# Now the light fades out. # | 0:32:02 | 0:32:04 | |
I'd noticed that Top Of The Pops had a fairly generic look. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:09 | |
The lighting, the way people performed - they'd always be | 0:32:09 | 0:32:11 | |
looking into a camera all the time whatever they were doing. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:14 | |
Lights flashing on and off with different colours | 0:32:14 | 0:32:17 | |
and everyone looked the same. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:19 | |
And I wanted to do something that was different to that but I didn't think they'd let me. | 0:32:19 | 0:32:22 | |
I said to the people when I first got there, | 0:32:22 | 0:32:24 | |
"Would it be all right if I didn't have any colours, just white? | 0:32:24 | 0:32:29 | |
"And would it be OK if I had some on the floor in front of me?" | 0:32:29 | 0:32:32 | |
I wanted lights coming up and shadows and things. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:35 | |
And I thought they just tell me to piss off, basically. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:37 | |
But they didn't, they were really lovely. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:39 | |
Great! Somebody's actually interested. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:43 | |
# So now I'm alone and I can think for myself | 0:32:43 | 0:32:46 | |
# About little deals and issues and things I just don't understand. # | 0:32:48 | 0:32:52 | |
I didn't smile, because I was embarrassed about my teeth. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:57 | |
I've sort of grown into them now, but when I was younger I thought | 0:32:57 | 0:33:00 | |
these two front teeth were like Bugs Bunny, I thought they were too big. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:04 | |
And then you start reading reviews in newspapers about this | 0:33:04 | 0:33:07 | |
sort of cold, androidy new person on Top Of The Pops and you think, | 0:33:07 | 0:33:11 | |
"Ah!" Hadn't intended that, I was just embarrassed about my teeth. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:16 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:33:16 | 0:33:17 | |
An amazing sound from a band for the future. That's Tubeway Army. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:22 | |
Great stuff. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:24 | |
While Gary Numan unleashed edgy electro-pop... | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
REGGAE BEAT | 0:33:27 | 0:33:31 | |
..'79 was also a breakthrough year for a style of music that came | 0:33:31 | 0:33:35 | |
a little later to the party. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:37 | |
If you look at Top Of The Pops year on year, you see the change in music. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:40 | |
But to me, reggae music was always the same. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:42 | |
That lovely, lazy drum pattern that rhythm guitar, | 0:33:45 | 0:33:50 | |
that beautiful singing... | 0:33:50 | 0:33:51 | |
# Ooh... Meditation. # | 0:33:51 | 0:33:56 | |
And it was all encapsulated in Top Of The Pops. | 0:33:56 | 0:33:58 | |
At long last, reggae seems to be making inroads in the charts, | 0:33:58 | 0:34:01 | |
and at number 26 this week, here's Dennis Brown with Money In My Pocket. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:05 | |
# Woh oh... # | 0:34:09 | 0:34:13 | |
Dennis Brown was a complete demigod on the reggae scene. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:18 | |
# Money in my pocket but I just can't get no love. # | 0:34:18 | 0:34:23 | |
And Top Of The Pops, when a tune got in the top 10, | 0:34:23 | 0:34:26 | |
in the black community, people were on the phone to each other. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:29 | |
"Are you watching Top Of The Pops? Whatshisname is on." | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
# I'm praying for a girl to be my own | 0:34:32 | 0:34:40 | |
# Soon they say she's coming but I don't believe a word. # | 0:34:40 | 0:34:43 | |
Under the banner of reggae there were lots of sub-genres, | 0:34:43 | 0:34:46 | |
and I remember one big-selling song that | 0:34:46 | 0:34:48 | |
appeared on Top Of The Pops was Janet Kay, which was more of a lovers' rock. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:52 | |
Here's a lady with a great voice. She's Janet Kay | 0:34:52 | 0:34:54 | |
and this is Silly Games. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:56 | |
A surprise crossover hit from the British reggae charts, | 0:34:56 | 0:34:59 | |
Janet Kay, aged 18, had never even performed in public. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:03 | |
I went on holiday with a friend of mine | 0:35:03 | 0:35:06 | |
and we went to Holland and it was the first time for me | 0:35:06 | 0:35:09 | |
going away from home, because I was still living at home. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:11 | |
And while I was away I got a phone call saying, | 0:35:11 | 0:35:14 | |
"You need to come back, you've got to do Top Of The Pops." And I'm like, | 0:35:14 | 0:35:17 | |
"Top Of The Pops?!" I was a very shy person so | 0:35:17 | 0:35:19 | |
I didn't really know how I was going to actually do that, being so shy | 0:35:19 | 0:35:22 | |
because I'd never sing in front of anybody live. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:24 | |
# I've been watching you | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
# For so long | 0:35:29 | 0:35:32 | |
# It's a shame. # | 0:35:32 | 0:35:34 | |
So my very first performance ever in front of a proper audience | 0:35:34 | 0:35:40 | |
was live on TV in front of however many millions of people. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:45 | |
# Oh, the pain | 0:35:45 | 0:35:49 | |
# Boy, how it hurts me. # | 0:35:49 | 0:35:51 | |
I had no idea of how to put myself together, so I wore this pink | 0:35:51 | 0:35:55 | |
T-shirt that I knotted at the side, that sort of looked a bit trendy. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:59 | |
I thought, "I've got to have sparkles," | 0:35:59 | 0:36:01 | |
and I had this little black chiffony-type scarf | 0:36:01 | 0:36:04 | |
and I kind of put it round my neck and thought, | 0:36:04 | 0:36:06 | |
"Yeah, that kind of looks all right. That'll probably do." | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
# Should I, dear, come up to you and say... # | 0:36:10 | 0:36:15 | |
And then they said to me, "Janet, we want you to mime. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:17 | |
We don't want you to sing, we want you to mine." | 0:36:17 | 0:36:19 | |
And I was like, "What's miming? I don't know how to mine. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:23 | |
"Suppose my mouth doesn't move the same as when I did the recording? | 0:36:23 | 0:36:26 | |
"I don't do how to do that. Can I just do it live?" | 0:36:26 | 0:36:29 | |
# I've got no time... # | 0:36:29 | 0:36:31 | |
I think they were a little bit put out because most people mimed. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
# Silly games... # | 0:36:34 | 0:36:41 | |
# Silly games... # | 0:36:42 | 0:36:49 | |
Silly Games was the pride and joy of anyone who loved lovers' rock, | 0:36:49 | 0:36:53 | |
because it was massive in the little blues | 0:36:53 | 0:36:57 | |
and shebeen parties that went on in local areas. | 0:36:57 | 0:37:00 | |
And it was our tune. Our local girl, Janet Kay. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:04 | |
The reason it's so slow, you'd have a small room | 0:37:04 | 0:37:08 | |
and ram as many people as you could in that room. | 0:37:08 | 0:37:11 | |
It would be really hot. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:12 | |
You'd get as close as possible to your partner | 0:37:12 | 0:37:15 | |
and you'd dance as slowly as possible. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:18 | |
It's so sensual, sexual, and it's rude, almost. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:22 | |
You shouldn't be that close to someone you just met. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:24 | |
When you saw Janet Kay performing that on Top Of The Pops, I was | 0:37:26 | 0:37:29 | |
like, "No, that's not how you do it," cos the crowd were | 0:37:29 | 0:37:32 | |
standing there having a little boogie. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:34 | |
I was thinking, "You're supposed to be dancing with each other," because that's all I knew. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:38 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:37:38 | 0:37:40 | |
Reggae's popularity didn't stop there as new wave groups | 0:37:40 | 0:37:44 | |
jumped on the bandwagon. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:45 | |
# Bermuda in the Bahamas | 0:37:45 | 0:37:49 | |
# Front Street Hamilton | 0:37:49 | 0:37:51 | |
# They're doing more than growing bananas | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
# They got a tax dodge going on | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
# Offshore banking business. # | 0:37:57 | 0:38:00 | |
And in summer '79, | 0:38:00 | 0:38:02 | |
one previously unknown band eclipsed all other reggae acts. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:07 | |
The beauty of those days, it was so innocent and so simple. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:10 | |
You'd hear a song on the radio | 0:38:10 | 0:38:11 | |
and if you really liked it, you hoped to see it on Top Of The Pops. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:15 | |
And that's all we had. It was as simple as that. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:18 | |
MUSIC: "Roxanne" by The Police | 0:38:18 | 0:38:20 | |
And I remember hearing Roxanne on the radio and loving it, because it | 0:38:20 | 0:38:25 | |
had this sort of reggae undertone about it, it was like a reggae tune. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:30 | |
When I saw Sting... | 0:38:33 | 0:38:34 | |
# Roxanne... # | 0:38:34 | 0:38:36 | |
..I think my mouth was open for three minutes. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:39 | |
# ..put on the red light... # | 0:38:39 | 0:38:41 | |
I think my sister and I were watching it, going... | 0:38:41 | 0:38:43 | |
# Those days are over | 0:38:43 | 0:38:44 | |
# You don't have to sell your body to the night | 0:38:44 | 0:38:48 | |
# Roxanne. # | 0:38:48 | 0:38:51 | |
He was blond! | 0:38:51 | 0:38:53 | |
Like, I'd never seen a blonde person singing a reggaeish tune before. | 0:38:55 | 0:38:59 | |
I don't recollect that ever. I always thought black people sung reggae. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:03 | |
Hello, nice to be back with you once again on Top Of The Pops, | 0:39:03 | 0:39:06 | |
and here comes that brand new top 30. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:08 | |
Top Of The Pops was of course all about the singles chart, | 0:39:10 | 0:39:13 | |
but around this time, some keen Guardian reporter types | 0:39:13 | 0:39:17 | |
started suggesting all with the chart may not be hunky-dory. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:21 | |
This is where the hit parade is compiled, | 0:39:21 | 0:39:23 | |
at the BMRB headquarters in Ealing. | 0:39:23 | 0:39:26 | |
There are an unstated number of secret chart return shops | 0:39:26 | 0:39:29 | |
around the country and 450 of them | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
are sampled each week for the album charts, 250 for the singles charts. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:36 | |
There were unscrupulous record companies that used to go | 0:39:36 | 0:39:39 | |
out on Saturdays shopping. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:43 | |
Every time one of these shops sells a particular record or cassette, | 0:39:43 | 0:39:47 | |
it's all recorded here in this distinctive BMRB diary of sales. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:51 | |
Of course, if you had a list of the shops, you used to get | 0:39:51 | 0:39:55 | |
a team of people to go and buy ten records in each shop. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:58 | |
It was very hush-hush, but everybody knew about it. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:02 | |
The BMRB claim that no-one knows just how many shops | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
are on the panel or which are being sampled in a particular week. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:09 | |
I helped buy Al Stewart's Year Of The Cat into the charts by going | 0:40:09 | 0:40:12 | |
round with a friend of mine in the car | 0:40:12 | 0:40:14 | |
and buying singles with a list of the shops. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:18 | |
Every record company we've spoken to say they know exactly which | 0:40:18 | 0:40:22 | |
shops are concerned and they target their products accordingly. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
The BPI or the governing body of the record industry policed it | 0:40:25 | 0:40:29 | |
and if there was any doubt, a record could be lowered. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:34 | |
HE BANGS GONG | 0:40:34 | 0:40:35 | |
One of the best new singles, second highest new entry this week, | 0:40:35 | 0:40:39 | |
The Members and The Sound Of The Suburbs. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:41 | |
The Members released Sound Of The Suburbs and it really buzzed. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:45 | |
# This is the sound, this is the sound of the suburbs. # | 0:40:45 | 0:40:49 | |
You had NME, Melody Maker, Sounds and we were in them almost every week. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:55 | |
We were this very hot band and it fires up the charts. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:58 | |
# Old man's out washing the car | 0:40:58 | 0:41:02 | |
# Mum's in the kitchen cooking Sunday dinner, her best meal | 0:41:04 | 0:41:08 | |
# Moaning while it lasts. # | 0:41:08 | 0:41:10 | |
The official charts thought it was being hyped by Virgin, | 0:41:10 | 0:41:14 | |
so they dropped us one step. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:16 | |
And then they realised they were wrong and put us | 0:41:18 | 0:41:20 | |
straight back up the charts the following week. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:23 | |
# This is the sound of the suburbs. # | 0:41:23 | 0:41:26 | |
The Members' hot debut single only notched one rung higher | 0:41:26 | 0:41:29 | |
before falling out of the charts. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:32 | |
You start to drop in those days down the charts and people stop buying your records. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:37 | |
It's just the way it was. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:38 | |
But in those days if you couldn't buy or hype your record into the charts, | 0:41:39 | 0:41:43 | |
there was another, more time-honoured way of doing it. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:47 | |
Pluggers do a lot of legwork and a lot of fast talking. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:50 | |
Employ one of these toe-tapping johnnies. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:54 | |
-I like it! -Yeah? Oh, good. -Smells like a hit to me. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:57 | |
Records pluggers, or promotion people, were very important to the programme | 0:41:57 | 0:42:00 | |
because they'd be on at the producer, the director, | 0:42:00 | 0:42:03 | |
for days in advance trying to get their own acts on the programme. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:06 | |
The record companies have no option but to keep plugging away. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:10 | |
Getting on Top Of The Pops is what matters, not how you get there. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:13 | |
At that time, if you did Top Of The Pops you'd shoot up | 0:42:13 | 0:42:17 | |
automatically 15 places and that was the whole game. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:20 | |
# Out on the street I was talking to a man | 0:42:23 | 0:42:26 | |
# He said there's so much but there's nothing I don't understand | 0:42:26 | 0:42:30 | |
# You shouldn't worry I said that ain't no crime | 0:42:30 | 0:42:34 | |
# Cos if you get it wrong you'll get it right next time. # | 0:42:34 | 0:42:38 | |
For a plugger trying to get their record on Top Of The Pops, | 0:42:38 | 0:42:41 | |
all efforts were focused on the day that next week's chart was published. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:45 | |
When the chart is compiled, it's phoned through to the BBC. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:49 | |
Good morning! Are you all ready? Right, one, nine... | 0:42:49 | 0:42:54 | |
We'd all congregate on the sixth floor of TV Centre | 0:42:54 | 0:42:58 | |
and all the pluggers were gossiping away - | 0:42:58 | 0:43:00 | |
"My band is better than your band," this, that and the other. | 0:43:00 | 0:43:04 | |
Quite a good camaraderie. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:06 | |
We'd be waiting and they'd be getting the results of what's | 0:43:06 | 0:43:09 | |
coming in the charts, new entries and everything else. | 0:43:09 | 0:43:12 | |
Can you guys come in now? | 0:43:12 | 0:43:15 | |
But eventually the doors would open, you'd walk in. "Your track's in | 0:43:15 | 0:43:18 | |
"at number 38. Are the band available?" | 0:43:18 | 0:43:21 | |
If they're in America or Italy, automatically you say, | 0:43:21 | 0:43:25 | |
"Yes, they are," even if they're not. | 0:43:25 | 0:43:27 | |
And then you go back to the office and panic and try and get the band over. | 0:43:27 | 0:43:30 | |
Is everything OK for them to come | 0:43:30 | 0:43:32 | |
and do Top Of The Pops next week if we get high enough? | 0:43:32 | 0:43:34 | |
'They definitely are. They've got their bags packed | 0:43:34 | 0:43:37 | |
'and they'll be on the next Concorde coming over.' | 0:43:37 | 0:43:40 | |
You're always trying to outdo somebody else in order to try | 0:43:40 | 0:43:43 | |
and get somebody on the show. | 0:43:43 | 0:43:44 | |
Oliver Smallman, who was another record executive and myself, | 0:43:44 | 0:43:48 | |
decided we wanted to see this producer who always got in | 0:43:48 | 0:43:51 | |
very early, a guy called Phil Bishop. | 0:43:51 | 0:43:53 | |
We devised a plan of going in there the night before | 0:43:56 | 0:43:59 | |
and I persuaded the guy on the gate that we were coming in to do | 0:43:59 | 0:44:04 | |
a bit of maintenance at the Top Of The Pops office. | 0:44:04 | 0:44:07 | |
We were escorted up there, the door was opened, | 0:44:07 | 0:44:09 | |
we were left to our devices, which was to close the door, | 0:44:09 | 0:44:13 | |
set up a tent and sleep overnight. | 0:44:13 | 0:44:16 | |
In the morning, we put these Scouts outfits on. We got our primus stove. | 0:44:18 | 0:44:23 | |
We're cooking beans and sausages. | 0:44:23 | 0:44:25 | |
Phil came in and was like totally confused with what was happening. | 0:44:25 | 0:44:29 | |
Anyway, we were trying to plug our little acts | 0:44:29 | 0:44:31 | |
and it maybe served me right, | 0:44:31 | 0:44:32 | |
I didn't get my act on, I was very disappointed. | 0:44:32 | 0:44:34 | |
One budding young act getting noticed by pluggers | 0:44:36 | 0:44:38 | |
at the time were a North London ska band, The Invaders, | 0:44:38 | 0:44:42 | |
who had a family connection with Top Of The Pops. | 0:44:42 | 0:44:46 | |
My mum was an AFM, which is an assistant floor manager. | 0:44:46 | 0:44:49 | |
Everyone who wanted anything went to the AFM, | 0:44:49 | 0:44:52 | |
from David Bowie to | 0:44:52 | 0:44:54 | |
Bob Marley to everyone - they all, you know, knew my mum. | 0:44:54 | 0:44:59 | |
In '79, The Invaders had news for Woody's mum - | 0:45:01 | 0:45:05 | |
they changed their name. | 0:45:05 | 0:45:08 | |
She used to know all the pluggers, | 0:45:08 | 0:45:09 | |
so once we made the decision to be called Madness, | 0:45:09 | 0:45:13 | |
she excitedly told all her pluggers and to a man every one of them | 0:45:13 | 0:45:18 | |
went, "Oh, what a shame." "They were going to go so far." | 0:45:18 | 0:45:22 | |
Right, this is the original of one of the ones we do. | 0:45:22 | 0:45:26 | |
Madness didn't need an older generation of pluggers | 0:45:29 | 0:45:32 | |
and record execs housed in corporate towers. | 0:45:32 | 0:45:35 | |
They signed to a young and very different kind of label, | 0:45:38 | 0:45:42 | |
2 Tone, based in a small terraced house in Coventry. | 0:45:42 | 0:45:46 | |
-I'm showing them around the office! -LAUGHTER | 0:45:46 | 0:45:48 | |
Here we have the chequebooks. | 0:45:48 | 0:45:51 | |
The receipts. The con... Oh, hang on. | 0:45:51 | 0:45:56 | |
The contracts. | 0:45:57 | 0:45:59 | |
I think this is our contract. | 0:46:01 | 0:46:03 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:46:03 | 0:46:05 | |
'It was phenomenal. | 0:46:05 | 0:46:07 | |
'The music they were producing, out of really pokey studios.' | 0:46:07 | 0:46:11 | |
There were bits of wall falling off while they were recording. | 0:46:11 | 0:46:13 | |
Nice piece of mohair. | 0:46:13 | 0:46:16 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:46:17 | 0:46:18 | |
Those recordings were just astonishing. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:24 | |
It might have been chaotically run but 2 Tone records soon had | 0:46:24 | 0:46:27 | |
a roster of new ska bands all storming into the charts. | 0:46:27 | 0:46:31 | |
It was more than just music, it was a whole movement. | 0:46:31 | 0:46:35 | |
There was something really, really incredible going on. | 0:46:35 | 0:46:38 | |
In November, all three bands on the 2 Tone label made it, | 0:46:39 | 0:46:42 | |
extraordinarily, onto the same Top Of The Pops. | 0:46:42 | 0:46:45 | |
# I bought my baby a red radio | 0:46:45 | 0:46:49 | |
# He played it all day a-go-go a-go-go | 0:46:49 | 0:46:52 | |
# He liked to dance to it down in the streets | 0:46:52 | 0:46:56 | |
# He said he loved me but he loved the beat. # | 0:46:56 | 0:46:59 | |
8th November 1979, The Specials, Selecter, Madness, all in one show. | 0:46:59 | 0:47:05 | |
# One step beyond! # | 0:47:05 | 0:47:07 | |
And that's known in 2 Tone circles as the 2 Tone Top Of The Pops. | 0:47:08 | 0:47:13 | |
You know when groups come with a bit of a swag, I think | 0:47:16 | 0:47:19 | |
Madness had that swag. They really were great Top Of The Pops performers. | 0:47:19 | 0:47:22 | |
And they asked us to do the nutty train. | 0:47:22 | 0:47:24 | |
But it's a bit difficult for me, | 0:47:30 | 0:47:32 | |
being the drummer because I can't really take my kit with me. | 0:47:32 | 0:47:35 | |
It turned into more like...a conga. | 0:47:35 | 0:47:39 | |
You know that Madness have arrived. | 0:47:40 | 0:47:42 | |
Once they are doing that through a Top Of The Pops audience, they're there to stay. | 0:47:42 | 0:47:46 | |
# One step beyond! # | 0:47:48 | 0:47:50 | |
Top Of The Pops for years had been...looking like a girl. | 0:47:51 | 0:47:55 | |
The Bowie effect was ridiculous. | 0:47:55 | 0:47:57 | |
To even groups like Slade, all of a sudden people were | 0:47:58 | 0:48:02 | |
looking like my dad did in his wedding picture. Sharp suits. And I loved it. | 0:48:02 | 0:48:08 | |
A lot of my mates used to come to school, loafers were massive, | 0:48:08 | 0:48:11 | |
suede boogers, we used to call them. | 0:48:11 | 0:48:13 | |
Everyone was running on the spot, pork pie hats. It was a great look. | 0:48:13 | 0:48:18 | |
# One step beyond! # | 0:48:20 | 0:48:23 | |
It's funny, you join a band and there's all these milestones - | 0:48:32 | 0:48:36 | |
make a record, get on John Peel. | 0:48:36 | 0:48:39 | |
Your shiny mansion on the hill was to go and do Top Of The Pops. | 0:48:39 | 0:48:42 | |
And you get it and you're so excited as a band. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:46 | |
And I guess it probably ranks in | 0:48:46 | 0:48:49 | |
the top ten biggest anti-climaxes in life. | 0:48:49 | 0:48:53 | |
The first thing I felt was disappointment, really, | 0:48:59 | 0:49:02 | |
because I've been watching it on the small box all my life | 0:49:02 | 0:49:05 | |
and you get there, "Oh, God, is this what it's like?" | 0:49:05 | 0:49:08 | |
I all ways remember that set they used to have with the arrow, and I'd seen it 1,000 times. | 0:49:08 | 0:49:13 | |
Of course, it's make-believe. You know, there's little sets. | 0:49:14 | 0:49:18 | |
In '79, these new wave types came face-to-face with BBC staff | 0:49:18 | 0:49:23 | |
who hadn't changed their ways in decades. | 0:49:23 | 0:49:25 | |
It was like being back at school. | 0:49:27 | 0:49:29 | |
You used to get people coming in saying, | 0:49:29 | 0:49:31 | |
"Right, you're on in half an hour and are you ready? | 0:49:31 | 0:49:34 | |
"Have you been to make up and have...?" It was just... | 0:49:34 | 0:49:37 | |
Barry? Just a slight problem here. | 0:49:37 | 0:49:40 | |
I remember the faceless voice through the intercom, | 0:49:40 | 0:49:44 | |
"Right, we'll do that again!" One of those. | 0:49:44 | 0:49:46 | |
Cue them, please. | 0:49:46 | 0:49:47 | |
Can you get off, you three, and can we have you two back? | 0:49:47 | 0:49:49 | |
There was a lot of feeling that you were superfluous to the actual programme. | 0:49:49 | 0:49:54 | |
"Musicians, tsk! Get them out of the way!" | 0:49:54 | 0:49:56 | |
The cameras coming through here, you know. "Clear off!" | 0:49:56 | 0:50:00 | |
And there were strictly regulated volume levels. | 0:50:05 | 0:50:08 | |
And then you realise how quiet the playback is. | 0:50:08 | 0:50:12 | |
Oh! Oh, horrendous. | 0:50:12 | 0:50:15 | |
I mean, it was a constant battle to get it pumped up. | 0:50:15 | 0:50:18 | |
They'd be very scrimpy. Just a little bit. | 0:50:18 | 0:50:20 | |
"Is it going to be louder when you're filming?" | 0:50:20 | 0:50:25 | |
"Yeah... Not much." | 0:50:25 | 0:50:26 | |
He's got his drums. | 0:50:26 | 0:50:28 | |
You've got plastic high hats, two plastic cymbals | 0:50:28 | 0:50:31 | |
and pads on the drum, so it starts off... | 0:50:31 | 0:50:34 | |
QUIETLY: Bup-diddy-bup-diddy-bup! | 0:50:34 | 0:50:36 | |
QUIETLY: Boom, boom! | 0:50:36 | 0:50:38 | |
You'd be like, "Oh, God, what are we doing?" | 0:50:38 | 0:50:41 | |
You literally had to stop to kind of... | 0:50:41 | 0:50:43 | |
Often, you'd see people on Top Of The Pops go like that. | 0:50:43 | 0:50:46 | |
In those days, cameramen and sound men were just on a rota, | 0:50:54 | 0:50:57 | |
so one day they could be doing the Antiques Road Show... | 0:50:57 | 0:51:01 | |
It's very dusty inside and slightly discoloured. | 0:51:01 | 0:51:03 | |
..and the next day they could be doing Top Of The Pops | 0:51:03 | 0:51:06 | |
and they'd be, "Ooh, it's a bit loud. | 0:51:06 | 0:51:09 | |
"Can you turn it down a bit?" | 0:51:09 | 0:51:11 | |
You had to sort of force the performance out of yourself. | 0:51:11 | 0:51:16 | |
And to make sure bands didn't complain, | 0:51:16 | 0:51:18 | |
Top Of The Pops has its very own version of the naughty step. | 0:51:18 | 0:51:22 | |
There was this kind of axe swinging over you, it felt. | 0:51:22 | 0:51:26 | |
They'd record too many | 0:51:26 | 0:51:28 | |
and there was usually one act that didn't make it to the week. | 0:51:28 | 0:51:32 | |
So one week, when we did Something I Said... | 0:51:32 | 0:51:35 | |
# Something that I said Was it something that I said? | 0:51:35 | 0:51:40 | |
# Something in my head. # | 0:51:40 | 0:51:44 | |
They had this kind of punk wall behind us. | 0:51:44 | 0:51:47 | |
And they put the band, obviously Sham 69 behind us, | 0:51:47 | 0:51:51 | |
but they put Sham 9. It was a sham. | 0:51:51 | 0:51:54 | |
# Your self-righteousness has grown. # | 0:51:54 | 0:51:57 | |
Gang of Four were on, so I think it was Andy Gill took his strings, | 0:51:59 | 0:52:03 | |
took them all off and wrapped them round, you know, as if to say... | 0:52:03 | 0:52:07 | |
and they just filmed them but didn't put it on. | 0:52:07 | 0:52:10 | |
# Something that I said | 0:52:11 | 0:52:14 | |
# Something in my head. # | 0:52:14 | 0:52:15 | |
There was that sort of very BBC thing of, | 0:52:15 | 0:52:18 | |
"If you're a little bit too out of line, | 0:52:18 | 0:52:20 | |
"you're not going to make it this week." | 0:52:20 | 0:52:22 | |
# Only time can tell if we get on well cos I love you. # | 0:52:22 | 0:52:29 | |
Back at the start of the decade, the Top Of The Pops audience were | 0:52:29 | 0:52:32 | |
a vital part of the show and seemed delighted to be there. | 0:52:32 | 0:52:36 | |
By '79, the studio audience looked...well...lost. | 0:52:39 | 0:52:45 | |
There was this kind of small group of kids that they'd | 0:52:51 | 0:52:54 | |
kind of shepherd around like sheep. | 0:52:54 | 0:52:58 | |
# Dance! # | 0:52:58 | 0:53:00 | |
And they really treated them badly. | 0:53:00 | 0:53:02 | |
The cameras would come at them and they'd really had to duck | 0:53:02 | 0:53:05 | |
and get out of the way very, very quickly. | 0:53:05 | 0:53:08 | |
# Dance! # | 0:53:08 | 0:53:09 | |
They'd push the crowd around, like herding them about. | 0:53:09 | 0:53:12 | |
It was just like living scenery. | 0:53:16 | 0:53:18 | |
# Confused | 0:53:18 | 0:53:20 | |
# We don't seem to know what we're doing | 0:53:20 | 0:53:24 | |
# Like a blind man | 0:53:27 | 0:53:28 | |
# Spinning round in space. # | 0:53:31 | 0:53:33 | |
They don't look all that happy. | 0:53:36 | 0:53:38 | |
They've got to come over here now and be happy around this band | 0:53:38 | 0:53:41 | |
and they probably don't like the band. | 0:53:41 | 0:53:43 | |
Sometimes, I think the audience could look as if they were in a state of shock. | 0:53:43 | 0:53:48 | |
There was always a thing of "If possible, please keep moving, | 0:53:48 | 0:53:51 | |
"please keep dancing, please look like you're having a good time. | 0:53:51 | 0:53:54 | |
"And try not to look at the monitors." But who can resist that? | 0:53:57 | 0:54:00 | |
# Dance! | 0:54:00 | 0:54:01 | |
# Dance! | 0:54:04 | 0:54:05 | |
# Dance! # | 0:54:08 | 0:54:10 | |
There is, like, this vibe, you had loads of people being in there. | 0:54:12 | 0:54:16 | |
You got this huge round of applause, but if you look at the front | 0:54:16 | 0:54:20 | |
of the stage you'll see that those people aren't clapping at all. | 0:54:20 | 0:54:23 | |
LOUD APPLAUSE | 0:54:23 | 0:54:24 | |
It's canned applause! You know, there are 20 kids in there. | 0:54:26 | 0:54:29 | |
This is Rosie, they are Legs & Co | 0:54:29 | 0:54:33 | |
and this is Michael Jackson. | 0:54:33 | 0:54:35 | |
In December '79, with a lifeless studio audience, | 0:54:36 | 0:54:40 | |
the producers took steps to address the problem. | 0:54:40 | 0:54:43 | |
The producer sent a message down saying, | 0:54:43 | 0:54:45 | |
"We want to use the audience and make sure they're participating, | 0:54:45 | 0:54:49 | |
"looking like they're having a really good time." | 0:54:49 | 0:54:51 | |
# Party people night and day. # | 0:54:51 | 0:54:54 | |
Two or three people took that slightly to the extreme. | 0:54:54 | 0:54:58 | |
I remember there was one gentleman who had a bright red V-neck | 0:55:00 | 0:55:04 | |
pullover on, and as the music started he was getting really into it, | 0:55:04 | 0:55:08 | |
clapping away and a little bit over the top but warming up all the time. | 0:55:08 | 0:55:12 | |
And it was getting more and more noticeable, this person behind us. | 0:55:12 | 0:55:15 | |
And then, halfway through the routine, | 0:55:17 | 0:55:19 | |
there were a couple of boys in front and one of them was getting | 0:55:19 | 0:55:22 | |
so excited, completely over the top, and as Rosie came forward, | 0:55:22 | 0:55:25 | |
we were all coming forward in a diagonal line, | 0:55:25 | 0:55:28 | |
he fell off the chair and couldn't get back up again. | 0:55:28 | 0:55:30 | |
As for the whole routine, he'd obviously been told, "Stay there, | 0:55:30 | 0:55:33 | |
"don't move," and you can see his feet kicking | 0:55:33 | 0:55:36 | |
and socks and what have you. | 0:55:36 | 0:55:37 | |
I don't think he gets back on the chair for the rest of the routine. | 0:55:37 | 0:55:40 | |
MUSIC: "Walking On The Moon" by The Police | 0:55:40 | 0:55:43 | |
Towards the end of the year, following the ITV strike, | 0:55:49 | 0:55:52 | |
a technicians dispute forced Top Of The Pops into an even greater | 0:55:52 | 0:55:56 | |
change of format, with presenters out of vision and reduced to | 0:55:56 | 0:56:00 | |
voicing introductions to previously shot performances and videos. | 0:56:00 | 0:56:04 | |
# Walking on, walking on the moon. # | 0:56:04 | 0:56:09 | |
Hit five, The Police and Walking On The Moon. | 0:56:09 | 0:56:12 | |
I only want to be with you, in sound if not vision tonight. | 0:56:12 | 0:56:15 | |
And now a change in tempo, a surprise single release. | 0:56:15 | 0:56:18 | |
It's come out from Pink Floyd - Another Brick In The Wall. | 0:56:18 | 0:56:21 | |
And in December, an ominous song made its way up the charts | 0:56:24 | 0:56:28 | |
to be the last number one of the decade. | 0:56:28 | 0:56:30 | |
# We don't need no education. # | 0:56:30 | 0:56:34 | |
Another Brick In The Wall seemed to spell out | 0:56:34 | 0:56:37 | |
the need for widespread change. | 0:56:37 | 0:56:40 | |
# We don't need no thought control. # | 0:56:40 | 0:56:45 | |
It was such an era-defining song. It wasn't my music, but it was rammed, | 0:56:46 | 0:56:51 | |
it was like a hammer just banging on your head. | 0:56:51 | 0:56:56 | |
You couldn't ignore that song. | 0:56:56 | 0:56:57 | |
In a sense, you could argue | 0:56:57 | 0:56:59 | |
that it was a single that presaged the 1980s. | 0:56:59 | 0:57:01 | |
I mean, this is the future. | 0:57:01 | 0:57:03 | |
And we know now Mrs Thatcher came in and greed is good | 0:57:06 | 0:57:10 | |
and all sorts of things. | 0:57:10 | 0:57:11 | |
There's something in that Floyd record | 0:57:11 | 0:57:13 | |
that almost seems to suggest that. | 0:57:13 | 0:57:15 | |
# Another brick in the wall. # | 0:57:15 | 0:57:18 | |
Top Of The Pops would feel the wind of change too as older-gent | 0:57:18 | 0:57:22 | |
producer Robin Nash would be replaced by a younger man | 0:57:22 | 0:57:26 | |
with new ideas, Michael Hurll. | 0:57:26 | 0:57:28 | |
1979 is the last year of Top Of The Pops how it was, | 0:57:28 | 0:57:32 | |
how it had been from the '60s right through the '70s. | 0:57:32 | 0:57:35 | |
Michael was coming in | 0:57:36 | 0:57:37 | |
and he knew what he had to do to keep that show evolving | 0:57:37 | 0:57:41 | |
and to bring a new audience. | 0:57:41 | 0:57:43 | |
# Another brick in the wall. # | 0:57:43 | 0:57:45 | |
Within six months, the Top Of The Pops Orchestra | 0:57:45 | 0:57:48 | |
would stop playing in the studio, | 0:57:48 | 0:57:50 | |
the light entertainment luvvies would start to diminish, | 0:57:50 | 0:57:53 | |
Gary Numan, his synthesiser pals | 0:57:53 | 0:57:55 | |
and a whole new pop generation would arrive, and the show, | 0:57:55 | 0:57:59 | |
for the studio audience and the performers, | 0:57:59 | 0:58:02 | |
would get a total makeover. | 0:58:02 | 0:58:04 | |
This is where the new age of Top Of The Pops begins. | 0:58:04 | 0:58:07 | |
MUSIC: Antmusic by Adam And The Ants | 0:58:07 | 0:58:09 | |
# Well, I'm standing here looking at you | 0:58:09 | 0:58:13 | |
# What do I see? | 0:58:13 | 0:58:14 | |
# I'm looking straight through | 0:58:14 | 0:58:16 | |
# It's so sad when you're young to be told you're having fun | 0:58:16 | 0:58:22 | |
# So unplug the jukebox and do us all a favour | 0:58:22 | 0:58:28 | |
# That music's lost its taste so try another flavour | 0:58:28 | 0:58:33 | |
# Antmusic | 0:58:33 | 0:58:35 | |
# Antmusic | 0:58:36 | 0:58:37 | |
# Antmusic | 0:58:39 | 0:58:41 | |
# Antmusic. # | 0:58:42 | 0:58:43 |