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Eight, seven, six, five, four, three.

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OK, here we go.

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Hello, chums. Are you sitting comfortably?

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Then we'll begin the continuing story of Top Of The Pops.

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# Pop, pop

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# Pop music

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# Pop, pop

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# Pop music. #

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1979, the year in which Top Of The Pops

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celebrated its 15th anniversary, its 800th edition,

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and was still the only pop show that mattered.

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Your shiny mansion on the hill is to go and do Top Of The Pops.

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If you did Top Of The Pops, you'd shoot up automatically 15 places.

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Top Of The Pops is like the Holy Grail.

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# Talk about

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# Pop music, talk about

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# Pop music... #

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And in '79, the range of styles on Top Of The Pops was never greater.

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You had punk...

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# Oh, you silly thing! #

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..turning into new wave...

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# You've really gone and done it now. #

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Disco was on fire...

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# Hey-y-y-y-y, y'all

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# I got all my sisters with me Oh-ha, oh-ha. #

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Two Tone arrived, with bands like Madness...

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# Even if I kept on running

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# I'd never get to Orange Street. #

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And that's not to mention reggae...

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# Money in my pocket but I just can't get no love. #

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..country...

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# One day at a time

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-# Sweet Jesus... #

-The list goes on.

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# Doctor, doctor, please! #

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# Will a little more love make it right? #

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But in spite of the musical merry-go-round...

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# Found myself in a strange town... #

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..a failing country was falling apart, with endless strikes

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and conflict, and back at Top Of The Pops,

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the cracks were starting to show.

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MUSIC: "Cars" by Gary Numan

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The programme was a little...weary,

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and hamstrung by working practices.

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Show me a man in the union that goes "ungh" for a living,

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and I'm putting him out of work? I don't think so.

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It was the end of the decade

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and the end of the line for '70s Top Of The Pops.

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"CARS" CONTINUES

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UPBEAT JAZZ MUSIC

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In '79, with only three channels, Top Of The Pops

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broadcast on Thursday night on BBC One after Tomorrow's World.

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Good evening.

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SPACEY SYNTH MUSIC

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# It goes la, la, la, la, la, la... #

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And in November '79, Top Of The Pops racked up

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its highest-ever audience of 19 million viewers.

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# La, la, la, la, la, la, la... #

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BEEP

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But that might have had something to do with the fact ITV

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happened to be on strike.

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And that's how the whole year started.

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MUSIC: "Another Brick In The Wall (Part 2)" by Pink Floyd

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# We don't need no education. #

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The infamous Winter of Discontent

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with the most working days lost since the general strike of 1926,

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stopping rubbish collection,

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closing railways, schools, hospitals,

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turning the country into a ghost town.

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I'm hoping that common sense will prevail and all those involved will

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think not only of themselves but of the children who won't be able to

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go to school,

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and for housewives who may find food supplies threatened in some way.

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In Sedgefield, a grave digger strike forced desperate measures.

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'It was Mrs Mary Mason's dying wish to be buried near her husband.

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'Her two sons crossed the picket lines and dug the grave themselves.'

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Of course, the threatened tanker drivers dispute, now that began to

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spread, and then of course we begin to face problems in terms of fuel.

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The government and unions were at war.

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Everybody felt it,

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including a family show band from Salford just entering the charts.

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# Do, do, do, do, do, do

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# # Do, do, do, do, do, do... #

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It was quite a stressful time

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because the earlier part of '79, we'd had the Winter of Discontent.

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I remember, you had to plan your gigs out knowing where you

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could do, where they would serve you petrol, and being

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in a successful band, you were very fortunate that the garages...

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You could phone a garage up and say,

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"We're coming in at three o'clock in the morning.

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"Do you think you could save us some petrol?", and they would.

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# I heard you on the wireless back in '52

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# Lying awake intently tuning in on you

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# If I was young it didn't stop you coming through

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# Oh-a, oh-a... #

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The country may have been falling apart,

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but in the world of pop, business was booming.

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Unbelievably, 1979 was the biggest year for single

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sales in the UK ever in recorded history.

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# Radio star...

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# You are... #

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And many of those seven inch and new-fangled 12 inch single

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sales were in the unstoppable genre of disco.

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Well, it's Top Of The Pops, it's music, and it's Chic, Le Freak!

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# Freak out!

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# Le freak, C'est Chic

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# Freak out! #

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One man who hit big in '79 with disco found the show's ties to

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light entertainment were unchanged

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since his first appearance as a backing musician some years earlier.

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The first time we appeared on Top Of The Pops,

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we were in a group called New York City.

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We were, like, a one-hit wonder. We had a song called I'm Doing Fine Now.

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# I'm doing fine now...

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# Without you, baby. #

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We were doing seriously cool R&B Philly sound,

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and then the chap who came on right after us...

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Terrific!

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But he came out and he went...

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# There once was an ugly ducking. #

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# There once was an ugly duckling... #

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And, like, the whole crowd was jamming with him,

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and we were like, "Whoa!".

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It's most interesting music show I've ever seen.

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# Now freak! #

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Nile Rodgers's Chic had four disco anthems on Top Of The Pops

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in 1979, starting with signature tune, Le Freak...

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# I said freak! #

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..which almost didn't make it onto the show.

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When we played that record for the record company, true story,

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by the time that song ended,

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the entire conference room was empty cos they were all outside

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trying to figure out how to tell us how much it stank.

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# Now freak! #

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Do you want to know the biggest-selling

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record in the history of Atlantic Records, which is

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the record company of Cream, Led Zeppelin, Crosby, Stills

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and Nash, all these huge acts, Aretha Franklin, Ray Charles, John Coltrane?

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Le Freak!

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# Just come on down

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# To 54

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# Find a spot

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# Out on the floor

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# Ahhh, freak out! #

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And in '79, Nile's funky hits weren't just with Chic.

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Our man of the year and his team were unstoppable,

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and wrote hits for three other bands as well.

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We are going to have Sister Sledge

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and He's The Greatest Dancer at number six!

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# Ah-wah, wow!

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# He's the greatest dancer

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# Ah-wah, wow!

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# That I've ever seen. #

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They had it.

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They absolutely had it, and they didn't just have it as a group,

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they had it to give and to share to other people.

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I usually work with people, typically,

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to revive their careers or start their careers.

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Here's Sheila B Devotion and Spacer.

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# He's...

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# A spacer

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# A star chaser. #

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Sheila and B Devotion, the year before, they'd been

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Sheila B Devotion, horrible version of Singing In The Rain.

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# I'm singing in the rain

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# Just singing in the rain. #

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And then you've got Spacer.

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What an absolutely incredible record that was. It was just terrific.

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# He's...

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# A spacer

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# A star... #

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So warm.

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No matter how nasty people felt disco was, they couldn't

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say that the music that Nile Rodgers and Ben Edwards made was nasty.

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ROCK MUSIC

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But in '79, disco's hold on the charts was peaking,

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even for a jury of showbiz grand dames like Joan Collins,

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Elaine Paige and Johnny Rotten.

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I think we're oversaturated with disco. We're being pulverised by it.

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I think it should stop,

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and I think that it's time we found something very, very different.

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The problem with 1979 is that, as great as it was for us

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on Top Of The Pops, it also was the year that...

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..was unfortunately the end, really, of Chic getting hit records.

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We never had a number one record ever again. That's it.

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From top five with Le Freak C'est Chic, Nile's gang was now

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thought of for novelty records,

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a collection of sheep noises set to a disco beat,

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and the lone punk on the Juke Box Jury panel was not amused.

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Johnny Rotten.

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Rubbish.

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ROARING LAUGHTER AND CHEERING

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And the audience agrees, so it's a miss all round.

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Next, he set his sights on Top Of The Pops.

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This is Public Image Ltd and Death Disco.

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# Seeing in your eyes, ah! #

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When we had Public Image in the studio, there was a lot of,

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"Oh, we've got this edgy band in. Are they going to behave themselves?

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"Are they going to do something really shocking?"

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# Words can never say the way

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# Told me in your eyes. #

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'I've only found out'

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over the years how nervous we made people.

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I think we pre-recorded.

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I don't think it was live, because we were real spontaneous,

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really couldn't care less about offending people,

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in fact, probably hoped to.

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# Never really know... #

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It was almost like a contempt for the programme, really,

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in the fact that he's turning away from the audience, he's got the headphones on,

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but he understands there's a message that he wants to get out there.

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Death Disco was Public Image's take on disco.

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So, you know, it had a dark aspect.

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Maybe not everyone appreciated just how dark a sound that was

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because it was on Top Of The Pops.

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The song that talks about rotting flowers and the death of his mother.

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# Watch her slowly die. #

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Personal, I was very cheeky and lairy,

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and when I got to the BBC, the first thing, "Where's make-up?

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"I've got to go to make-up. I want my teeth blacked out."

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And a few people half-heartedly tried to talk me out of it.

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I wasn't having it, and I couldn't wait. You know, "Where's the camera?

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"Here it comes! Urgh!"

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The whole thing, normally, about going on telly, obviously,

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is you want to look glamorous and look your best.

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# Never realise... #

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And I thought it was a laugh to look really horrible.

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I think I had talked about having big spots put on my face

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and I think I got talked out of that.

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But one thing that upstart new wave bands often found is

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they made the show's producers reach for their slightly dated

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palette of special effects.

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# With anxiety!

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# Babylon's burning Babylon's burning. #

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You've done your show. You go back home, you've got to watch it.

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# Babylon's burning... #

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"It's The Ruts with Babylon's Burning!" and # Dun-dun-dun-dun. #

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And these kind of really cheap effect flames come up

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and we're like, "What?!", you know.

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Really embarrassing and your mates kind of poking you.

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THUNDERING BASS LINE

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MUSIC: "Into The Valley" by The Skids

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ELECTRIC GUITAR CHORDS

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But special effects couldn't disguise a punk iceberg

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heading straight for the good ship Top Of The Pops.

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# Into the valley

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# Betrothed and divine

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# Realisation's no virtue

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# But who can define

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# Why soldiers go marching Those masses a line? #

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The show's crew of long-serving light entertainers were

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lined up in the sights of the young new wave generation.

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It was such a mixed bag, Top Of The Pops.

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I mean, you'd have on one show something like The Nolans.

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# Yeah! Yeah!

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# I'm in the mood for dancing

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# Romancing... #

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And then you'd have a punk band or a new wave-ish band, you know,

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sort of coming on, and it was surreal sometimes.

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# Ooh, so come on and hold me tight

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# Dancing

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# Dancing... #

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At the time, of course, we were kind of the cheesy Nolans.

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That was our image and it was, you know, Irish sisters all singing in

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nice harmonies and dressed the same, which was quite a difficult

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image to have, because we were just normal girls.

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# I'm in the mood for dancing... #

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You know, we did get stick from other bands, like punk bands.

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One in particular, I remember, when we were doing I'm In The Mood For Dancing, The Skids were on.

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# Where the air turned red as the bodies bled

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# Into a schoolboy's dream

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# But who were there could only stare

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# Into this wondrous scene?

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# Yankee...

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# To war! #

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My memory of Top Of The Pops from that era is pretty miserable.

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I mean, it was the biggest show on television, no doubt about it,

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but it was always inhabited by the most moronic acts, the kind

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of acts that made you want to be in a punk band in the first place.

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I don't know, maybe they were just trying to live up to their image,

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but as we passed their dressing room going to our dressing room,

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they spat out in front of us on the floor.

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If you think about the context, we were so miserably

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unhappy about being here, and it was like a kind of prison for us.

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# A German son with a Yankee gun

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# And a uniform much older

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# Yankee... #

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Of course our record company was shepherding us on, and in effect,

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they had four mad Irish women who were going to chin them,

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but they got away with it that time.

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# Wanted

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# Boy, you're everything I ever wanted

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# Now all I got's a memory... #

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In '79, another top five act from the world of working men's clubs,

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The Dooleys...

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# Boy, you know you got me

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# Cos you're wanted... #

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..found themselves on the same show...

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..as lairy punk rockers Generation X.

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# King Kong, King Kong. #

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We arrived one sunny day at Television Centre.

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And there on the roof stood certain young members of Generation X,

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and they were all relieving themselves on the crowd down below.

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# Oh, we....

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# We are the chosen few. #

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The commissionaires with their hats on were shouting up, "Oi!

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"What do you think you're doing?!",

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and back came the reply, "We're making a statement!"

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# Oh, and we...

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# We are the lucky people

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# You got me

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# And I got you

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# We're the chosen few. #

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But it is possible Generation X were on the roof of TV Centre

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for another reason -

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in search of the BBC club and bar,

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a Shangri-La of subsidised, cheap booze.

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Most of the time it was just sitting in a dressing room,

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bored out of your brain, wondering when you can go to the BBC bar.

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But the hallowed walls of the BBC Club and bar,

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untouched by human hands since its opening in 1960,

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were restricted to BBC Club members only.

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Every band member, of course, rocked up to the BBC bar tried to

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go in and say, "You know, I'm a friend of..."

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and there was this huge, great big bloke on the door.

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They had a commissionaire. They were ex-army sergeants, usually.

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Wore a hat and uniform, sign you in.

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He had this massive, great old handle moustache.

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Honest to God, the bribery that used to go on to these men to try

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and get into the BBC bar.

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He wasn't having it. He'd heard every story on the planet.

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Yeah. Barry? This is my problem here.

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'A few studios along, in number three,

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'there's a new classic serial in rehearsal.

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'This sort of production uses a great deal of scenery.'

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The social mix of the BBC bar reflected a TV Centre which,

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in '79, was in its bustling heyday,

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producing a vast array of programmes.

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'Lunchtime,

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'and there are four canteens to choose from at the centre.

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'Here, secretaries and sound engineers

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'can mingle with cardinals and kings.'

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The mix of the BBC Club afterwards was great, because you'd see

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people who were coming off the sets of a popular drama.

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"Oh, look, there's Soames from Forsyte Saga", or there'd be

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someone from Blue Peter, or "And there's Doctor Who over there!"

0:18:050:18:08

'Think of the thing which has frightened you

0:18:080:18:10

'most on Doctor Who recently.

0:18:100:18:12

'The chances are that it started life here.'

0:18:120:18:15

Yes, can we please keep it quiet, studio?

0:18:150:18:17

We're trying to camera rehearse.

0:18:170:18:18

SCREECHING ROAR

0:18:180:18:21

I remember going to the bar, and I thought, "This is a bit of me."

0:18:210:18:24

It was a bit like the bar in Blade Runner.

0:18:240:18:28

It was all geezers dressed as aliens from the film set of Doctor Who,

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and they were cab drivers.

0:18:330:18:34

So I'm at the bar with a geezer dressed as an alien, and it

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was from Bermondsey or something, as I recall, cab driver.

0:18:370:18:40

You know, extra.

0:18:400:18:41

Good evening.

0:18:440:18:45

I remember thinking, "These geezers are great. "They're getting stuck in

0:18:450:18:49

very early in the day, like me". So, yeah.

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For a moment, everyone's kind of equal.

0:18:510:18:54

# For once in my life... #

0:18:540:18:57

I mean, I saw Mr Tony Bennett.

0:18:570:19:01

# ..I have someone who needs me. #

0:19:010:19:04

You know, a bit of a fan. I like good singers, you know. No offence!

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THEY LAUGH

0:19:080:19:09

I like good singers. So anyhow, I went and said,

0:19:090:19:12

"Oh, hello, Mr Bennett, I just wanted to say hello."

0:19:120:19:14

# ..For once unafraid... #

0:19:140:19:16

We spoke for about ten minutes. He was very encouraging.

0:19:160:19:19

He told me to follow my dream and carry on, work hard and what

0:19:190:19:23

a great thing it was to be able to do something you love for a living.

0:19:230:19:27

-Pure class.

-Pure class.

0:19:270:19:30

So, joining Tony Bennett at the BBC bar in '79 are...

0:19:300:19:33

..The Ruts, Madness, Legs & Co,

0:19:350:19:39

Soames from Forsyte Saga, Jah Wobble,

0:19:390:19:42

aliens from Doctor Who and this lot from Camberley.

0:19:420:19:46

# Every lousy Monday morning

0:19:460:19:49

# Heathrow jets go crashing over our home. #

0:19:490:19:52

Luckily, I had a friend who was filming The Onedin Line in the next studio,

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and because of her, we were able to go to the BBC bar afterwards.

0:19:570:20:01

-I'll see you at the club.

-Aye.

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There's one character who played this old captain, Captain Baines.

0:20:120:20:17

You're out of line, mister!

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He was terrified that we were there initially, because he thought,

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"Oh, my God, punk rockers,"

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and he'd read all the tabloids about how terrible we were.

0:20:240:20:27

You listen!

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If you don't get those two of this ship then we damn well will.

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Suddenly there are these suburban, sort of middle-class boys

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being quite polite

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and being quite thrilled that they are in a cheap bar and not really

0:20:390:20:43

wanting to do anything to get expelled from the Holy Grail of cheap booze.

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61.

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Take up the bar, then, Annie. Take up 65.

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Alongside The Members, as part of the new wave vanguard,

0:20:530:20:57

the Top Of The Pops studio was graced with the new emerging model of pop front man.

0:20:570:21:01

Cue applause...

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From Joe Jackson to Andy Partridge...

0:21:030:21:06

And now Elvis Costello.

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# Don't know where to begin... #

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The angry young nerd.

0:21:100:21:13

# Love doesn't wait for ever It's now or never. #

0:21:130:21:16

Elvis Costello was in a rather combative relationship with

0:21:160:21:19

Top Of The Pops, with television generally, he was the "angry young man."

0:21:190:21:23

When asked what inspired him to write songs, "Hate and revenge."

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# Accidents will happen We only hit and run

0:21:260:21:30

# I don't want to hear it cos I know what I've done. #

0:21:300:21:36

And Elvis's passion seeped out of every pore

0:21:360:21:39

and luminous fabric of his cool nerd image.

0:21:390:21:42

Elvis Costello, you know, great suit.

0:21:420:21:45

Sweated an awful lot, though, didn't he?

0:21:450:21:47

# Don't start that talking

0:21:490:21:52

# I could talk all night

0:21:520:21:55

# My mind goes sleepwalking

0:21:550:21:58

# While I'm putting the world to right. #

0:21:580:22:01

Elvis's image bordered on court jester, with a knowing look

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and singalong choruses, like Oliver's Army.

0:22:050:22:08

# Oliver's army is here to stay, Oliver's army... #

0:22:080:22:13

We had it marked down as a B-side.

0:22:130:22:14

We had no idea it was even single material.

0:22:140:22:17

It was our version of an Abba song, with all the jangly pianos

0:22:170:22:21

and things.

0:22:210:22:23

SONG CONTINUES

0:22:230:22:25

# There was a checkpoint Charlie. #

0:22:290:22:31

But the pop gloss hid provocative, even political comment.

0:22:310:22:35

And in '79 Elvis pushed the boundaries on Top Of The Pops

0:22:350:22:39

by using a word that was loaded with meaning.

0:22:390:22:42

# All it takes one itchy trigger

0:22:420:22:45

# One more widow one less white nigger. #

0:22:450:22:49

He's speaking in the voice of a young soldier from the North East

0:22:490:22:55

who, to get out of having no job,

0:22:550:22:56

joins the army, gets sent to Northern Ireland,

0:22:560:22:59

where there was a dehumanisation of the people they were killing.

0:22:590:23:03

He's saying this is what they were thinking.

0:23:030:23:05

Oliver's Army was a bitter take on the ongoing Troubles

0:23:050:23:09

in the year the IRA murdered Airey Neave

0:23:090:23:13

and the British Army marked a ten-year presence.

0:23:130:23:16

The N-word, "white nigger"

0:23:160:23:18

was being supportive of people who were being abused by the system.

0:23:180:23:23

Just an itchy trigger - boom! - you know, gone.

0:23:230:23:25

# But there's no danger It's a professional career

0:23:250:23:32

# And I would rather be anywhere else than here today. #

0:23:320:23:39

While Elvis got away with an unspeakable word in Oliver's Army,

0:23:390:23:44

Chas & Dave weren't so lucky.

0:23:440:23:46

# There is a word that I don't understand

0:23:490:23:52

# I hear it every day from my old man

0:23:520:23:56

# It may be cockney rhyming slang

0:23:560:23:59

# It ain't in no school book. #

0:23:590:24:01

I remember in '79 doing Gertcha, the producer came over and said,

0:24:010:24:04

"Before you do it, I'm glad you're doing the vocals live

0:24:040:24:09

"because there's a word I want you to cut out.

0:24:090:24:12

"What?" "Can you cut the word 'cowson' out?"

0:24:120:24:17

I remember saying to him, "Why?"

0:24:170:24:19

He went, "My mother heard it on Radio One this morning and she called me

0:24:190:24:24

"and she's informed me that it's an old-fashioned Victorian swearword.

0:24:240:24:28

"So I'd be really happy

0:24:280:24:30

"if you can cut it out or substitute it for something else."

0:24:300:24:35

And I talked to Dave and we came up with a couple of other words

0:24:350:24:38

beginning with F and C, but he didn't want to know about that.

0:24:380:24:41

# He says it every time that he gets mad

0:24:410:24:44

# A regular caution is my old dad

0:24:440:24:47

# Rub the old man up the wrong way... #

0:24:470:24:50

So we did it and I remember having one more run-through

0:24:500:24:54

and I accidentally said it...

0:24:540:24:55

# Gertcha, cowson, gertcha! #

0:24:550:24:58

"Stop! Say that once more, you're off the show."

0:24:580:25:02

# Rub the old man up the wrong way

0:25:020:25:04

# Bet your life you'll hear him say..."

0:25:040:25:07

And when we did the final take...

0:25:070:25:10

# Gertcha... Gercha! Gertcha! #

0:25:100:25:13

I looked at Dave and my eyes sort of spun round.

0:25:130:25:16

# Gertcha! When the paperboy's half an hour late, gertcha! #

0:25:160:25:20

It was our mums and dads and our uncles and aunts and grandads,

0:25:200:25:25

it was their word, they used to say it - "You cowson!

0:25:250:25:27

"Gertcha, cowson!" Gertcha sort of went with it - "Gertcha, cowson!"

0:25:270:25:32

-It's such an inoffensive word, isn't it, really?

-Son of a cow.

0:25:320:25:37

# Gertcha! Gertcha! #

0:25:370:25:40

You can say anything but don't say the C-word. What's the C-word?

0:25:400:25:44

That's the C-word, "cowson".

0:25:440:25:46

Meanwhile, in the outside world,

0:25:530:25:56

a certain someone was making a big impression.

0:25:560:25:59

Where there is doubt, may we bring faith,

0:25:590:26:02

and where there is despair, may we bring hope.

0:26:020:26:05

Elected as Prime Minister in May '79, Margaret Thatcher

0:26:050:26:09

soon identified her first enemy and was ready with a new broom.

0:26:090:26:13

What madness it is that winter after winter

0:26:130:26:18

we have great set piece battles

0:26:180:26:20

in which the powerful unions do so much damage to

0:26:200:26:24

the industries on which their members' living standards depend.

0:26:240:26:28

And in a parallel universe called Top Of The Pops...

0:26:320:26:35

# They call me the Iron Lady

0:26:360:26:40

# Tell you I'm hard as nails. #

0:26:400:26:43

In a microcosm of the conflict, the unions were fighting their corner.

0:26:450:26:50

I'll never forget my brother Frank, who played lead guitar.

0:26:560:27:00

We got up on stage to do our rehearsal...

0:27:000:27:02

# Honey, I'm lost... #

0:27:020:27:05

And because he played guitar, his microphone was in the wrong

0:27:050:27:08

place, and he picked up the mic stand and moved it

0:27:080:27:11

and all of a sudden there was a walk-out because an artist had

0:27:110:27:15

taken somebody's job and moved a mic stand.

0:27:150:27:18

It was that silly at times.

0:27:180:27:20

And in '79 American disco acts frequently brought their

0:27:210:27:24

studio-finessed songs to the show

0:27:240:27:26

to find they wouldn't be backed by their own recording, sounding like this...

0:27:260:27:30

SLICK DISCO INTRO

0:27:300:27:32

..but were obliged, through Musicians' Union rules, to play

0:27:360:27:39

with the Top Of The Pops Orchestra, a staple of the show since 1964.

0:27:390:27:44

TURGID INTRO

0:27:440:27:47

# Ain't no stopping us now

0:27:530:27:56

# We're on the move

0:27:560:27:58

# Yessir! Yes!

0:27:580:28:01

# Ain't no stopping us now We got the groove. #

0:28:010:28:06

The Musicians' Union insisted that

0:28:060:28:10

if there was an artist that had an orchestra on the track,

0:28:100:28:14

they would have to work with the BBC Orchestra.

0:28:140:28:17

# I know we've got a long, long way to go

0:28:170:28:21

# And where we'll end up I don't know. #

0:28:210:28:25

I was on the same show with McFadden and Whitehead.

0:28:250:28:28

They were great, but the backing track wasn't wonderful.

0:28:280:28:31

-STILTED:

-# La la la la #

0:28:310:28:36

Because they're classically trained musicians, a little bit wooden,

0:28:360:28:40

a bit stiff.

0:28:400:28:42

# La la la la. #

0:28:420:28:45

When you're dealing with an orchestra, they're playing

0:28:450:28:49

what's on the sheet, and what's on the groove is not in the sheet.

0:28:490:28:52

# In this world there is much confusion

0:28:540:28:59

# And I've tasted city life and it's not for me... #

0:28:590:29:02

At the time, in '79, I was working with the Jacksons.

0:29:020:29:05

# ..I dream of distant places. #

0:29:050:29:08

The problem there is that you work with the best - the ultimate session

0:29:080:29:12

bass player or the world-class session guitarist from LA.

0:29:120:29:17

Suddenly, I've got them on stage

0:29:170:29:19

working with very competent musicians

0:29:190:29:22

but a brass section that would rather go to the bar

0:29:220:29:24

and have a drink at lunch time.

0:29:240:29:26

# I want destiny! Destiny!

0:29:260:29:31

# It's the place for me. #

0:29:310:29:33

Joe Jackson, Jackson's father, was a stickler for everything being right.

0:29:330:29:37

# Ah, destiny! #

0:29:370:29:39

I would get it in the ear. "Judd, they haven't got the groove.

0:29:390:29:44

"The brass players are all over the place,

0:29:440:29:46

"the string players are slack." What could I say?

0:29:460:29:49

ELECTRONIC INTRO

0:29:520:29:54

The story I'm about to tell you is one of the most extraordinary

0:29:540:29:57

tales of our time.

0:29:570:29:59

It's a story of change. Some say it's a change for the worse.

0:30:000:30:05

The Musicians' Union, for a year or two, tried to ban me,

0:30:050:30:10

because they said I was putting proper musicians out of work!

0:30:100:30:14

How offensive is that?

0:30:140:30:16

# Here in my car I feel safest of all

0:30:160:30:20

# I can lock all my doors

0:30:200:30:22

# It's the only way to live in cars. #

0:30:220:30:26

A keyboard synthesiser can simulate everything from a harpsichord

0:30:260:30:30

or violin to a full brass band.

0:30:300:30:32

It's very exciting.

0:30:320:30:34

# It keeps me stable all night in cars. #

0:30:340:30:37

The thing is, if I had people doing, like, strings, which a real person

0:30:370:30:41

could have played, I'd have had some sympathy for what they were saying.

0:30:410:30:44

The synthesisers going...uurrgh!

0:30:440:30:48

You know, show me a man in the union that goes uurrgh for a living

0:30:480:30:51

and I'm putting him out of work. I don't think so.

0:30:510:30:54

To get banned by the union meant I couldn't have

0:30:580:31:00

gone on Top Of The Pops.

0:31:000:31:02

They were trying to kill my career based on ignorance.

0:31:020:31:05

I wasn't putting anyone out of work.

0:31:050:31:07

There was nothing on my albums that I could have got a human being in to do.

0:31:070:31:10

SYNTHESISER

0:31:100:31:13

In May '79, Gary debuted with his ground-breaking electro sound

0:31:130:31:18

and an unforgettable look.

0:31:180:31:21

# It's cold outside

0:31:210:31:24

# And the paint's peeling off of my walls. #

0:31:260:31:28

I made it my record of the week on Radio One, so I was really delighted that he got a Top Of The Pops slot.

0:31:280:31:33

And I was instantly drawn to them.

0:31:330:31:34

I thought, "This is a mesmerising performer."

0:31:340:31:36

# In a long coat, grey hat smoking a cigarette. #

0:31:360:31:40

This guy bounces onto Top Of The Pops for the very first time

0:31:420:31:45

and he decides, "This is the way I'm going to play it."

0:31:450:31:48

He just did some little jerky movements,

0:31:480:31:51

little head movements and looked a bit...disinterested in life.

0:31:510:31:56

# Now the light fades out. #

0:32:020:32:04

I'd noticed that Top Of The Pops had a fairly generic look.

0:32:040:32:09

The lighting, the way people performed - they'd always be

0:32:090:32:11

looking into a camera all the time whatever they were doing.

0:32:110:32:14

Lights flashing on and off with different colours

0:32:140:32:17

and everyone looked the same.

0:32:170:32:19

And I wanted to do something that was different to that but I didn't think they'd let me.

0:32:190:32:22

I said to the people when I first got there,

0:32:220:32:24

"Would it be all right if I didn't have any colours, just white?

0:32:240:32:29

"And would it be OK if I had some on the floor in front of me?"

0:32:290:32:32

I wanted lights coming up and shadows and things.

0:32:320:32:35

And I thought they just tell me to piss off, basically.

0:32:350:32:37

But they didn't, they were really lovely.

0:32:370:32:39

Great! Somebody's actually interested.

0:32:390:32:43

# So now I'm alone and I can think for myself

0:32:430:32:46

# About little deals and issues and things I just don't understand. #

0:32:480:32:52

I didn't smile, because I was embarrassed about my teeth.

0:32:530:32:57

I've sort of grown into them now, but when I was younger I thought

0:32:570:33:00

these two front teeth were like Bugs Bunny, I thought they were too big.

0:33:000:33:04

And then you start reading reviews in newspapers about this

0:33:040:33:07

sort of cold, androidy new person on Top Of The Pops and you think,

0:33:070:33:11

"Ah!" Hadn't intended that, I was just embarrassed about my teeth.

0:33:110:33:16

APPLAUSE

0:33:160:33:17

An amazing sound from a band for the future. That's Tubeway Army.

0:33:190:33:22

Great stuff.

0:33:220:33:24

While Gary Numan unleashed edgy electro-pop...

0:33:240:33:27

REGGAE BEAT

0:33:270:33:31

..'79 was also a breakthrough year for a style of music that came

0:33:310:33:35

a little later to the party.

0:33:350:33:37

If you look at Top Of The Pops year on year, you see the change in music.

0:33:370:33:40

But to me, reggae music was always the same.

0:33:400:33:42

That lovely, lazy drum pattern that rhythm guitar,

0:33:450:33:50

that beautiful singing...

0:33:500:33:51

# Ooh... Meditation. #

0:33:510:33:56

And it was all encapsulated in Top Of The Pops.

0:33:560:33:58

At long last, reggae seems to be making inroads in the charts,

0:33:580:34:01

and at number 26 this week, here's Dennis Brown with Money In My Pocket.

0:34:010:34:05

# Woh oh... #

0:34:090:34:13

Dennis Brown was a complete demigod on the reggae scene.

0:34:130:34:18

# Money in my pocket but I just can't get no love. #

0:34:180:34:23

And Top Of The Pops, when a tune got in the top 10,

0:34:230:34:26

in the black community, people were on the phone to each other.

0:34:260:34:29

"Are you watching Top Of The Pops? Whatshisname is on."

0:34:290:34:32

# I'm praying for a girl to be my own

0:34:320:34:40

# Soon they say she's coming but I don't believe a word. #

0:34:400:34:43

Under the banner of reggae there were lots of sub-genres,

0:34:430:34:46

and I remember one big-selling song that

0:34:460:34:48

appeared on Top Of The Pops was Janet Kay, which was more of a lovers' rock.

0:34:480:34:52

Here's a lady with a great voice. She's Janet Kay

0:34:520:34:54

and this is Silly Games.

0:34:540:34:56

A surprise crossover hit from the British reggae charts,

0:34:560:34:59

Janet Kay, aged 18, had never even performed in public.

0:34:590:35:03

I went on holiday with a friend of mine

0:35:030:35:06

and we went to Holland and it was the first time for me

0:35:060:35:09

going away from home, because I was still living at home.

0:35:090:35:11

And while I was away I got a phone call saying,

0:35:110:35:14

"You need to come back, you've got to do Top Of The Pops." And I'm like,

0:35:140:35:17

"Top Of The Pops?!" I was a very shy person so

0:35:170:35:19

I didn't really know how I was going to actually do that, being so shy

0:35:190:35:22

because I'd never sing in front of anybody live.

0:35:220:35:24

# I've been watching you

0:35:260:35:29

# For so long

0:35:290:35:32

# It's a shame. #

0:35:320:35:34

So my very first performance ever in front of a proper audience

0:35:340:35:40

was live on TV in front of however many millions of people.

0:35:400:35:45

# Oh, the pain

0:35:450:35:49

# Boy, how it hurts me. #

0:35:490:35:51

I had no idea of how to put myself together, so I wore this pink

0:35:510:35:55

T-shirt that I knotted at the side, that sort of looked a bit trendy.

0:35:550:35:59

I thought, "I've got to have sparkles,"

0:35:590:36:01

and I had this little black chiffony-type scarf

0:36:010:36:04

and I kind of put it round my neck and thought,

0:36:040:36:06

"Yeah, that kind of looks all right. That'll probably do."

0:36:060:36:09

# Should I, dear, come up to you and say... #

0:36:100:36:15

And then they said to me, "Janet, we want you to mime.

0:36:150:36:17

We don't want you to sing, we want you to mine."

0:36:170:36:19

And I was like, "What's miming? I don't know how to mine.

0:36:190:36:23

"Suppose my mouth doesn't move the same as when I did the recording?

0:36:230:36:26

"I don't do how to do that. Can I just do it live?"

0:36:260:36:29

# I've got no time... #

0:36:290:36:31

I think they were a little bit put out because most people mimed.

0:36:310:36:34

# Silly games... #

0:36:340:36:41

# Silly games... #

0:36:420:36:49

Silly Games was the pride and joy of anyone who loved lovers' rock,

0:36:490:36:53

because it was massive in the little blues

0:36:530:36:57

and shebeen parties that went on in local areas.

0:36:570:37:00

And it was our tune. Our local girl, Janet Kay.

0:37:000:37:04

The reason it's so slow, you'd have a small room

0:37:040:37:08

and ram as many people as you could in that room.

0:37:080:37:11

It would be really hot.

0:37:110:37:12

You'd get as close as possible to your partner

0:37:120:37:15

and you'd dance as slowly as possible.

0:37:150:37:18

It's so sensual, sexual, and it's rude, almost.

0:37:180:37:22

You shouldn't be that close to someone you just met.

0:37:220:37:24

When you saw Janet Kay performing that on Top Of The Pops, I was

0:37:260:37:29

like, "No, that's not how you do it," cos the crowd were

0:37:290:37:32

standing there having a little boogie.

0:37:320:37:34

I was thinking, "You're supposed to be dancing with each other," because that's all I knew.

0:37:340:37:38

APPLAUSE

0:37:380:37:40

Reggae's popularity didn't stop there as new wave groups

0:37:400:37:44

jumped on the bandwagon.

0:37:440:37:45

# Bermuda in the Bahamas

0:37:450:37:49

# Front Street Hamilton

0:37:490:37:51

# They're doing more than growing bananas

0:37:510:37:54

# They got a tax dodge going on

0:37:540:37:57

# Offshore banking business. #

0:37:570:38:00

And in summer '79,

0:38:000:38:02

one previously unknown band eclipsed all other reggae acts.

0:38:020:38:07

The beauty of those days, it was so innocent and so simple.

0:38:070:38:10

You'd hear a song on the radio

0:38:100:38:11

and if you really liked it, you hoped to see it on Top Of The Pops.

0:38:110:38:15

And that's all we had. It was as simple as that.

0:38:150:38:18

MUSIC: "Roxanne" by The Police

0:38:180:38:20

And I remember hearing Roxanne on the radio and loving it, because it

0:38:200:38:25

had this sort of reggae undertone about it, it was like a reggae tune.

0:38:250:38:30

When I saw Sting...

0:38:330:38:34

# Roxanne... #

0:38:340:38:36

..I think my mouth was open for three minutes.

0:38:360:38:39

# ..put on the red light... #

0:38:390:38:41

I think my sister and I were watching it, going...

0:38:410:38:43

# Those days are over

0:38:430:38:44

# You don't have to sell your body to the night

0:38:440:38:48

# Roxanne. #

0:38:480:38:51

He was blond!

0:38:510:38:53

Like, I'd never seen a blonde person singing a reggaeish tune before.

0:38:550:38:59

I don't recollect that ever. I always thought black people sung reggae.

0:38:590:39:03

Hello, nice to be back with you once again on Top Of The Pops,

0:39:030:39:06

and here comes that brand new top 30.

0:39:060:39:08

Top Of The Pops was of course all about the singles chart,

0:39:100:39:13

but around this time, some keen Guardian reporter types

0:39:130:39:17

started suggesting all with the chart may not be hunky-dory.

0:39:170:39:21

This is where the hit parade is compiled,

0:39:210:39:23

at the BMRB headquarters in Ealing.

0:39:230:39:26

There are an unstated number of secret chart return shops

0:39:260:39:29

around the country and 450 of them

0:39:290:39:32

are sampled each week for the album charts, 250 for the singles charts.

0:39:320:39:36

There were unscrupulous record companies that used to go

0:39:360:39:39

out on Saturdays shopping.

0:39:390:39:43

Every time one of these shops sells a particular record or cassette,

0:39:430:39:47

it's all recorded here in this distinctive BMRB diary of sales.

0:39:470:39:51

Of course, if you had a list of the shops, you used to get

0:39:510:39:55

a team of people to go and buy ten records in each shop.

0:39:550:39:58

It was very hush-hush, but everybody knew about it.

0:39:580:40:02

The BMRB claim that no-one knows just how many shops

0:40:020:40:05

are on the panel or which are being sampled in a particular week.

0:40:050:40:09

I helped buy Al Stewart's Year Of The Cat into the charts by going

0:40:090:40:12

round with a friend of mine in the car

0:40:120:40:14

and buying singles with a list of the shops.

0:40:140:40:18

Every record company we've spoken to say they know exactly which

0:40:180:40:22

shops are concerned and they target their products accordingly.

0:40:220:40:25

The BPI or the governing body of the record industry policed it

0:40:250:40:29

and if there was any doubt, a record could be lowered.

0:40:290:40:34

HE BANGS GONG

0:40:340:40:35

One of the best new singles, second highest new entry this week,

0:40:350:40:39

The Members and The Sound Of The Suburbs.

0:40:390:40:41

The Members released Sound Of The Suburbs and it really buzzed.

0:40:410:40:45

# This is the sound, this is the sound of the suburbs. #

0:40:450:40:49

You had NME, Melody Maker, Sounds and we were in them almost every week.

0:40:490:40:55

We were this very hot band and it fires up the charts.

0:40:550:40:58

# Old man's out washing the car

0:40:580:41:02

# Mum's in the kitchen cooking Sunday dinner, her best meal

0:41:040:41:08

# Moaning while it lasts. #

0:41:080:41:10

The official charts thought it was being hyped by Virgin,

0:41:100:41:14

so they dropped us one step.

0:41:140:41:16

And then they realised they were wrong and put us

0:41:180:41:20

straight back up the charts the following week.

0:41:200:41:23

# This is the sound of the suburbs. #

0:41:230:41:26

The Members' hot debut single only notched one rung higher

0:41:260:41:29

before falling out of the charts.

0:41:290:41:32

You start to drop in those days down the charts and people stop buying your records.

0:41:320:41:37

It's just the way it was.

0:41:370:41:38

But in those days if you couldn't buy or hype your record into the charts,

0:41:390:41:43

there was another, more time-honoured way of doing it.

0:41:430:41:47

Pluggers do a lot of legwork and a lot of fast talking.

0:41:470:41:50

Employ one of these toe-tapping johnnies.

0:41:500:41:54

-I like it!

-Yeah? Oh, good.

-Smells like a hit to me.

0:41:540:41:57

Records pluggers, or promotion people, were very important to the programme

0:41:570:42:00

because they'd be on at the producer, the director,

0:42:000:42:03

for days in advance trying to get their own acts on the programme.

0:42:030:42:06

The record companies have no option but to keep plugging away.

0:42:060:42:10

Getting on Top Of The Pops is what matters, not how you get there.

0:42:100:42:13

At that time, if you did Top Of The Pops you'd shoot up

0:42:130:42:17

automatically 15 places and that was the whole game.

0:42:170:42:20

# Out on the street I was talking to a man

0:42:230:42:26

# He said there's so much but there's nothing I don't understand

0:42:260:42:30

# You shouldn't worry I said that ain't no crime

0:42:300:42:34

# Cos if you get it wrong you'll get it right next time. #

0:42:340:42:38

For a plugger trying to get their record on Top Of The Pops,

0:42:380:42:41

all efforts were focused on the day that next week's chart was published.

0:42:410:42:45

When the chart is compiled, it's phoned through to the BBC.

0:42:450:42:49

Good morning! Are you all ready? Right, one, nine...

0:42:490:42:54

We'd all congregate on the sixth floor of TV Centre

0:42:540:42:58

and all the pluggers were gossiping away -

0:42:580:43:00

"My band is better than your band," this, that and the other.

0:43:000:43:04

Quite a good camaraderie.

0:43:040:43:06

We'd be waiting and they'd be getting the results of what's

0:43:060:43:09

coming in the charts, new entries and everything else.

0:43:090:43:12

Can you guys come in now?

0:43:120:43:15

But eventually the doors would open, you'd walk in. "Your track's in

0:43:150:43:18

"at number 38. Are the band available?"

0:43:180:43:21

If they're in America or Italy, automatically you say,

0:43:210:43:25

"Yes, they are," even if they're not.

0:43:250:43:27

And then you go back to the office and panic and try and get the band over.

0:43:270:43:30

Is everything OK for them to come

0:43:300:43:32

and do Top Of The Pops next week if we get high enough?

0:43:320:43:34

'They definitely are. They've got their bags packed

0:43:340:43:37

'and they'll be on the next Concorde coming over.'

0:43:370:43:40

You're always trying to outdo somebody else in order to try

0:43:400:43:43

and get somebody on the show.

0:43:430:43:44

Oliver Smallman, who was another record executive and myself,

0:43:440:43:48

decided we wanted to see this producer who always got in

0:43:480:43:51

very early, a guy called Phil Bishop.

0:43:510:43:53

We devised a plan of going in there the night before

0:43:560:43:59

and I persuaded the guy on the gate that we were coming in to do

0:43:590:44:04

a bit of maintenance at the Top Of The Pops office.

0:44:040:44:07

We were escorted up there, the door was opened,

0:44:070:44:09

we were left to our devices, which was to close the door,

0:44:090:44:13

set up a tent and sleep overnight.

0:44:130:44:16

In the morning, we put these Scouts outfits on. We got our primus stove.

0:44:180:44:23

We're cooking beans and sausages.

0:44:230:44:25

Phil came in and was like totally confused with what was happening.

0:44:250:44:29

Anyway, we were trying to plug our little acts

0:44:290:44:31

and it maybe served me right,

0:44:310:44:32

I didn't get my act on, I was very disappointed.

0:44:320:44:34

One budding young act getting noticed by pluggers

0:44:360:44:38

at the time were a North London ska band, The Invaders,

0:44:380:44:42

who had a family connection with Top Of The Pops.

0:44:420:44:46

My mum was an AFM, which is an assistant floor manager.

0:44:460:44:49

Everyone who wanted anything went to the AFM,

0:44:490:44:52

from David Bowie to

0:44:520:44:54

Bob Marley to everyone - they all, you know, knew my mum.

0:44:540:44:59

In '79, The Invaders had news for Woody's mum -

0:45:010:45:05

they changed their name.

0:45:050:45:08

She used to know all the pluggers,

0:45:080:45:09

so once we made the decision to be called Madness,

0:45:090:45:13

she excitedly told all her pluggers and to a man every one of them

0:45:130:45:18

went, "Oh, what a shame." "They were going to go so far."

0:45:180:45:22

Right, this is the original of one of the ones we do.

0:45:220:45:26

Madness didn't need an older generation of pluggers

0:45:290:45:32

and record execs housed in corporate towers.

0:45:320:45:35

They signed to a young and very different kind of label,

0:45:380:45:42

2 Tone, based in a small terraced house in Coventry.

0:45:420:45:46

-I'm showing them around the office!

-LAUGHTER

0:45:460:45:48

Here we have the chequebooks.

0:45:480:45:51

The receipts. The con... Oh, hang on.

0:45:510:45:56

The contracts.

0:45:570:45:59

I think this is our contract.

0:46:010:46:03

LAUGHTER

0:46:030:46:05

'It was phenomenal.

0:46:050:46:07

'The music they were producing, out of really pokey studios.'

0:46:070:46:11

There were bits of wall falling off while they were recording.

0:46:110:46:13

Nice piece of mohair.

0:46:130:46:16

LAUGHTER

0:46:170:46:18

Those recordings were just astonishing.

0:46:210:46:24

It might have been chaotically run but 2 Tone records soon had

0:46:240:46:27

a roster of new ska bands all storming into the charts.

0:46:270:46:31

It was more than just music, it was a whole movement.

0:46:310:46:35

There was something really, really incredible going on.

0:46:350:46:38

In November, all three bands on the 2 Tone label made it,

0:46:390:46:42

extraordinarily, onto the same Top Of The Pops.

0:46:420:46:45

# I bought my baby a red radio

0:46:450:46:49

# He played it all day a-go-go a-go-go

0:46:490:46:52

# He liked to dance to it down in the streets

0:46:520:46:56

# He said he loved me but he loved the beat. #

0:46:560:46:59

8th November 1979, The Specials, Selecter, Madness, all in one show.

0:46:590:47:05

# One step beyond! #

0:47:050:47:07

And that's known in 2 Tone circles as the 2 Tone Top Of The Pops.

0:47:080:47:13

You know when groups come with a bit of a swag, I think

0:47:160:47:19

Madness had that swag. They really were great Top Of The Pops performers.

0:47:190:47:22

And they asked us to do the nutty train.

0:47:220:47:24

But it's a bit difficult for me,

0:47:300:47:32

being the drummer because I can't really take my kit with me.

0:47:320:47:35

It turned into more like...a conga.

0:47:350:47:39

You know that Madness have arrived.

0:47:400:47:42

Once they are doing that through a Top Of The Pops audience, they're there to stay.

0:47:420:47:46

# One step beyond! #

0:47:480:47:50

Top Of The Pops for years had been...looking like a girl.

0:47:510:47:55

The Bowie effect was ridiculous.

0:47:550:47:57

To even groups like Slade, all of a sudden people were

0:47:580:48:02

looking like my dad did in his wedding picture. Sharp suits. And I loved it.

0:48:020:48:08

A lot of my mates used to come to school, loafers were massive,

0:48:080:48:11

suede boogers, we used to call them.

0:48:110:48:13

Everyone was running on the spot, pork pie hats. It was a great look.

0:48:130:48:18

# One step beyond! #

0:48:200:48:23

It's funny, you join a band and there's all these milestones -

0:48:320:48:36

make a record, get on John Peel.

0:48:360:48:39

Your shiny mansion on the hill was to go and do Top Of The Pops.

0:48:390:48:42

And you get it and you're so excited as a band.

0:48:420:48:46

And I guess it probably ranks in

0:48:460:48:49

the top ten biggest anti-climaxes in life.

0:48:490:48:53

The first thing I felt was disappointment, really,

0:48:590:49:02

because I've been watching it on the small box all my life

0:49:020:49:05

and you get there, "Oh, God, is this what it's like?"

0:49:050:49:08

I all ways remember that set they used to have with the arrow, and I'd seen it 1,000 times.

0:49:080:49:13

Of course, it's make-believe. You know, there's little sets.

0:49:140:49:18

In '79, these new wave types came face-to-face with BBC staff

0:49:180:49:23

who hadn't changed their ways in decades.

0:49:230:49:25

It was like being back at school.

0:49:270:49:29

You used to get people coming in saying,

0:49:290:49:31

"Right, you're on in half an hour and are you ready?

0:49:310:49:34

"Have you been to make up and have...?" It was just...

0:49:340:49:37

Barry? Just a slight problem here.

0:49:370:49:40

I remember the faceless voice through the intercom,

0:49:400:49:44

"Right, we'll do that again!" One of those.

0:49:440:49:46

Cue them, please.

0:49:460:49:47

Can you get off, you three, and can we have you two back?

0:49:470:49:49

There was a lot of feeling that you were superfluous to the actual programme.

0:49:490:49:54

"Musicians, tsk! Get them out of the way!"

0:49:540:49:56

The cameras coming through here, you know. "Clear off!"

0:49:560:50:00

And there were strictly regulated volume levels.

0:50:050:50:08

And then you realise how quiet the playback is.

0:50:080:50:12

Oh! Oh, horrendous.

0:50:120:50:15

I mean, it was a constant battle to get it pumped up.

0:50:150:50:18

They'd be very scrimpy. Just a little bit.

0:50:180:50:20

"Is it going to be louder when you're filming?"

0:50:200:50:25

"Yeah... Not much."

0:50:250:50:26

He's got his drums.

0:50:260:50:28

You've got plastic high hats, two plastic cymbals

0:50:280:50:31

and pads on the drum, so it starts off...

0:50:310:50:34

QUIETLY: Bup-diddy-bup-diddy-bup!

0:50:340:50:36

QUIETLY: Boom, boom!

0:50:360:50:38

You'd be like, "Oh, God, what are we doing?"

0:50:380:50:41

You literally had to stop to kind of...

0:50:410:50:43

Often, you'd see people on Top Of The Pops go like that.

0:50:430:50:46

In those days, cameramen and sound men were just on a rota,

0:50:540:50:57

so one day they could be doing the Antiques Road Show...

0:50:570:51:01

It's very dusty inside and slightly discoloured.

0:51:010:51:03

..and the next day they could be doing Top Of The Pops

0:51:030:51:06

and they'd be, "Ooh, it's a bit loud.

0:51:060:51:09

"Can you turn it down a bit?"

0:51:090:51:11

You had to sort of force the performance out of yourself.

0:51:110:51:16

And to make sure bands didn't complain,

0:51:160:51:18

Top Of The Pops has its very own version of the naughty step.

0:51:180:51:22

There was this kind of axe swinging over you, it felt.

0:51:220:51:26

They'd record too many

0:51:260:51:28

and there was usually one act that didn't make it to the week.

0:51:280:51:32

So one week, when we did Something I Said...

0:51:320:51:35

# Something that I said Was it something that I said?

0:51:350:51:40

# Something in my head. #

0:51:400:51:44

They had this kind of punk wall behind us.

0:51:440:51:47

And they put the band, obviously Sham 69 behind us,

0:51:470:51:51

but they put Sham 9. It was a sham.

0:51:510:51:54

# Your self-righteousness has grown. #

0:51:540:51:57

Gang of Four were on, so I think it was Andy Gill took his strings,

0:51:590:52:03

took them all off and wrapped them round, you know, as if to say...

0:52:030:52:07

and they just filmed them but didn't put it on.

0:52:070:52:10

# Something that I said

0:52:110:52:14

# Something in my head. #

0:52:140:52:15

There was that sort of very BBC thing of,

0:52:150:52:18

"If you're a little bit too out of line,

0:52:180:52:20

"you're not going to make it this week."

0:52:200:52:22

# Only time can tell if we get on well cos I love you. #

0:52:220:52:29

Back at the start of the decade, the Top Of The Pops audience were

0:52:290:52:32

a vital part of the show and seemed delighted to be there.

0:52:320:52:36

By '79, the studio audience looked...well...lost.

0:52:390:52:45

There was this kind of small group of kids that they'd

0:52:510:52:54

kind of shepherd around like sheep.

0:52:540:52:58

# Dance! #

0:52:580:53:00

And they really treated them badly.

0:53:000:53:02

The cameras would come at them and they'd really had to duck

0:53:020:53:05

and get out of the way very, very quickly.

0:53:050:53:08

# Dance! #

0:53:080:53:09

They'd push the crowd around, like herding them about.

0:53:090:53:12

It was just like living scenery.

0:53:160:53:18

# Confused

0:53:180:53:20

# We don't seem to know what we're doing

0:53:200:53:24

# Like a blind man

0:53:270:53:28

# Spinning round in space. #

0:53:310:53:33

They don't look all that happy.

0:53:360:53:38

They've got to come over here now and be happy around this band

0:53:380:53:41

and they probably don't like the band.

0:53:410:53:43

Sometimes, I think the audience could look as if they were in a state of shock.

0:53:430:53:48

There was always a thing of "If possible, please keep moving,

0:53:480:53:51

"please keep dancing, please look like you're having a good time.

0:53:510:53:54

"And try not to look at the monitors." But who can resist that?

0:53:570:54:00

# Dance!

0:54:000:54:01

# Dance!

0:54:040:54:05

# Dance! #

0:54:080:54:10

There is, like, this vibe, you had loads of people being in there.

0:54:120:54:16

You got this huge round of applause, but if you look at the front

0:54:160:54:20

of the stage you'll see that those people aren't clapping at all.

0:54:200:54:23

LOUD APPLAUSE

0:54:230:54:24

It's canned applause! You know, there are 20 kids in there.

0:54:260:54:29

This is Rosie, they are Legs & Co

0:54:290:54:33

and this is Michael Jackson.

0:54:330:54:35

In December '79, with a lifeless studio audience,

0:54:360:54:40

the producers took steps to address the problem.

0:54:400:54:43

The producer sent a message down saying,

0:54:430:54:45

"We want to use the audience and make sure they're participating,

0:54:450:54:49

"looking like they're having a really good time."

0:54:490:54:51

# Party people night and day. #

0:54:510:54:54

Two or three people took that slightly to the extreme.

0:54:540:54:58

I remember there was one gentleman who had a bright red V-neck

0:55:000:55:04

pullover on, and as the music started he was getting really into it,

0:55:040:55:08

clapping away and a little bit over the top but warming up all the time.

0:55:080:55:12

And it was getting more and more noticeable, this person behind us.

0:55:120:55:15

And then, halfway through the routine,

0:55:170:55:19

there were a couple of boys in front and one of them was getting

0:55:190:55:22

so excited, completely over the top, and as Rosie came forward,

0:55:220:55:25

we were all coming forward in a diagonal line,

0:55:250:55:28

he fell off the chair and couldn't get back up again.

0:55:280:55:30

As for the whole routine, he'd obviously been told, "Stay there,

0:55:300:55:33

"don't move," and you can see his feet kicking

0:55:330:55:36

and socks and what have you.

0:55:360:55:37

I don't think he gets back on the chair for the rest of the routine.

0:55:370:55:40

MUSIC: "Walking On The Moon" by The Police

0:55:400:55:43

Towards the end of the year, following the ITV strike,

0:55:490:55:52

a technicians dispute forced Top Of The Pops into an even greater

0:55:520:55:56

change of format, with presenters out of vision and reduced to

0:55:560:56:00

voicing introductions to previously shot performances and videos.

0:56:000:56:04

# Walking on, walking on the moon. #

0:56:040:56:09

Hit five, The Police and Walking On The Moon.

0:56:090:56:12

I only want to be with you, in sound if not vision tonight.

0:56:120:56:15

And now a change in tempo, a surprise single release.

0:56:150:56:18

It's come out from Pink Floyd - Another Brick In The Wall.

0:56:180:56:21

And in December, an ominous song made its way up the charts

0:56:240:56:28

to be the last number one of the decade.

0:56:280:56:30

# We don't need no education. #

0:56:300:56:34

Another Brick In The Wall seemed to spell out

0:56:340:56:37

the need for widespread change.

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# We don't need no thought control. #

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It was such an era-defining song. It wasn't my music, but it was rammed,

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it was like a hammer just banging on your head.

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You couldn't ignore that song.

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In a sense, you could argue

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that it was a single that presaged the 1980s.

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I mean, this is the future.

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And we know now Mrs Thatcher came in and greed is good

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and all sorts of things.

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There's something in that Floyd record

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that almost seems to suggest that.

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# Another brick in the wall. #

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Top Of The Pops would feel the wind of change too as older-gent

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producer Robin Nash would be replaced by a younger man

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with new ideas, Michael Hurll.

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1979 is the last year of Top Of The Pops how it was,

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how it had been from the '60s right through the '70s.

0:57:320:57:35

Michael was coming in

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and he knew what he had to do to keep that show evolving

0:57:370:57:41

and to bring a new audience.

0:57:410:57:43

# Another brick in the wall. #

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Within six months, the Top Of The Pops Orchestra

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would stop playing in the studio,

0:57:480:57:50

the light entertainment luvvies would start to diminish,

0:57:500:57:53

Gary Numan, his synthesiser pals

0:57:530:57:55

and a whole new pop generation would arrive, and the show,

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for the studio audience and the performers,

0:57:590:58:02

would get a total makeover.

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This is where the new age of Top Of The Pops begins.

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MUSIC: Antmusic by Adam And The Ants

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# Well, I'm standing here looking at you

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# What do I see?

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# I'm looking straight through

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# It's so sad when you're young to be told you're having fun

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# So unplug the jukebox and do us all a favour

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# That music's lost its taste so try another flavour

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# Antmusic

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# Antmusic

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# Antmusic

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# Antmusic. #

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