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For the past 40 years, THIS has been my world. | 0:00:03 | 0:00:09 | |
Managing Sabbath and Ozzy. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
My dad did it before me, | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
and my kids, and now grandkids have grown up with it. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:20 | |
As long as I've been doing this, | 0:00:23 | 0:00:25 | |
the story of deals has always been about the artist versus the man. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:31 | |
You're basically at war with the music biz. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
Ozzy's first solo record deal was with CBS in 1980. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:47 | |
We signed a really crap deal, and the label threw a listening party. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:53 | |
Ozzy comes, the man of peace, with two live doves in his pocket. | 0:00:53 | 0:01:00 | |
But when we get there, | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
the people from the record company are less than friendly. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:06 | |
Ozzy goes to sit on a girl's lap, | 0:01:06 | 0:01:08 | |
but she freezes and she pushes him away. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:13 | |
And I don't know why, | 0:01:13 | 0:01:14 | |
but he takes out the first dove and decides to put it in his mouth | 0:01:14 | 0:01:19 | |
and bit its head off. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:20 | |
The record label went nuts. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
Obviously, they were disgusted. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:28 | |
But at the end of it, they knew who was boss, and it wasn't them. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:35 | |
My advice to most musicians is don't sign a record deal. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
Somebody taking your money, | 0:01:40 | 0:01:41 | |
you're not going to want to make music, point-blank. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
Exploit, written into every contract. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:47 | |
Scary. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:49 | |
You need a lawyer. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
Royalties... I don't believe they pay ANY royalties. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
The greatest names in our business have suffered | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
at the hands of unscrupulous people. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:00 | |
On the radio, your record was number one... | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
..and you're still broke! | 0:02:05 | 0:02:07 | |
This programme contains some strong language | 0:02:07 | 0:02:09 | |
Anybody who's anybody in pop has sat down in a boardroom | 0:02:19 | 0:02:24 | |
and been asked to sign a deal that changes their life - | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
be it for records, publishing, concerts, whatever. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:33 | |
The history of deals | 0:02:33 | 0:02:34 | |
is like a long-term tug-of-war | 0:02:34 | 0:02:36 | |
between the artist and the music biz - | 0:02:36 | 0:02:41 | |
the artist seeking a just reward, | 0:02:41 | 0:02:43 | |
and the music biz trying to limit the risk of their investment. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:49 | |
The first deal you usually need to get, just to be heard, | 0:02:49 | 0:02:54 | |
is a record deal. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:55 | |
Record deals are in principle one-sided - | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
the record label own the recordings and give you a royalty. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:05 | |
A bit like them owning your house and giving you a cut of the rent. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:10 | |
And when record deals began back in the '50s, that cut was very small. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:16 | |
GUITAR PLAYS BLUES | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
Specialty, the big label. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
Art Rupe ran Specialty Records. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:29 | |
He was more like a businessman, strictly businessman. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:33 | |
# Yeah, people talk about me | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
# Call me all outta my name... # | 0:03:36 | 0:03:39 | |
I'm 99 years old. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
I'll be 100 on September 5. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
A record has a lot of competition, and in order to get attention, | 0:03:46 | 0:03:52 | |
it's good to have a good intro, | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
and I had never heard an introduction to a record | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
like Little Richard's. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
He had the bee-bop-a-lupa in there from the beginning. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:04 | |
-That's my drum. -HE DRUMS HIS HANDS | 0:04:04 | 0:04:07 | |
-Kick drum. -HE IMITATES KICK DRUM | 0:04:07 | 0:04:08 | |
# Wop bop a loo bop a lop bam boom...! # | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
That was my drum. He got that from me. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
Wop bop a loo bop a lop... Kick drum, boom. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
# Tutti frutti, oh rutti | 0:04:17 | 0:04:19 | |
# Tutti frutti, oh rutti... # | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
Oh, it blew my top. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:25 | |
# Wop bop a loo bop a lop bam boom! | 0:04:25 | 0:04:27 | |
# I gotta girl... # | 0:04:27 | 0:04:29 | |
When it was played in New York, we had an immediate reaction. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:34 | |
We kept all the presses going. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:36 | |
It sold well over a million records. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
# She walked to the west | 0:04:39 | 0:04:41 | |
# But she's the girl that I love best... # | 0:04:41 | 0:04:43 | |
Richie came back from California and said, | 0:04:43 | 0:04:45 | |
"I got a contract, look, | 0:04:45 | 0:04:46 | |
"my contract from Specialty Records." | 0:04:46 | 0:04:49 | |
We all felt good. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:50 | |
That was a big thing, though, then, to get a contract. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
Our deal was sort of typical. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:58 | |
He did start out at half a cent to start with, | 0:04:58 | 0:05:02 | |
of each record sold. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:04 | |
Half a cent per record is very, very, very, very low. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:09 | |
Richard's deal saw roughly half of the record's 59 cents | 0:05:09 | 0:05:13 | |
go to the retailer, | 0:05:13 | 0:05:14 | |
and after deductions for packaging and breakages | 0:05:14 | 0:05:18 | |
and Specialty taking their cut, | 0:05:18 | 0:05:20 | |
he was left with this much as a royalty. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
When he got out then, he talked to Fats Domino | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
and people like Chuck Berry | 0:05:27 | 0:05:29 | |
and all those people. He felt that he was being cheated. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:32 | |
He had to sell two records to make a penny. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
-The record cost 59 cents, didn't it? -Yeah. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:37 | |
There were 58 other pennies going somewhere. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:40 | |
Oh, boy! | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
I will say this, one of the reasons we attracted artists, word got out, | 0:05:45 | 0:05:51 | |
Rupe at Specialty is not going to pay you much, | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
but he'll pay you what he promises. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:56 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
And that got us a lot of artists. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:05 | |
I slept well at night. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:09 | |
Meanwhile, back in Blighty, | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
record sales from the early '50s to early '60s boomed. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:20 | |
But record labels weren't generous to artists hungry for a deal. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:26 | |
EMI's boss found these fresh-faced boys | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
were thrilled with a record deal | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
not much better than Little Richard's. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:35 | |
One old penny for every record sold at six shillings and thruppence. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:40 | |
But there was something The Beatles had | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
that gave them a chance to make | 0:06:44 | 0:06:46 | |
another kind of deal. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:48 | |
They wrote their OWN songs. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:50 | |
And like every other wannabe songwriter, | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
they headed for the world of publishing. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:00 | |
So now we're in Denmark Street, | 0:07:03 | 0:07:05 | |
and this was the publishing hub in London. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:10 | |
Tin Pan Alley. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:11 | |
And you see all the stores down here and now they're restaurants | 0:07:12 | 0:07:16 | |
and different things, a hairdresser. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
They used to sell all the sheet music here | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
in these shop fronts, | 0:07:22 | 0:07:23 | |
and then it was pianos and guitars, | 0:07:23 | 0:07:26 | |
and all the publishers were above. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:28 | |
And years ago, my dad had an office here, but it was so long ago, | 0:07:28 | 0:07:34 | |
I can't remember what number. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:36 | |
Somehow I think it was 22 Denmark Street. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
And any time you would come down this street, | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
it was full of writers, musicians, | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
and they used to come up with their songs, | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
go up to the publisher's office, | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
usually play guitar or a piano that would be in the office, | 0:07:50 | 0:07:53 | |
sing their songs and they would either sell them or they wouldn't. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:57 | |
Do you really think that's your song? | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
The window up there on the first floor | 0:08:00 | 0:08:02 | |
was the office of a very famous publisher, | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
Dick James Music, and in 1963, | 0:08:05 | 0:08:09 | |
a very important deal was signed in that office. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:12 | |
Dick James, in a previous life, | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
had sung the theme tune to TV's Robin Hood. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:21 | |
MUSIC: The Adventures Of Robin Hood by Carl Sigman | 0:08:21 | 0:08:23 | |
For their first single, | 0:08:23 | 0:08:24 | |
John and Paul signed their publishing | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
to Sir Joseph Lockwood's EMI. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:29 | |
The competition is absolutely terrific, | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
and anyone who thinks that this is an easy business | 0:08:32 | 0:08:34 | |
should come and have a try. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:36 | |
And that is exactly what Dick James did. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
He stole a march on EMI. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
He set up a new publishing company with John and Paul | 0:08:46 | 0:08:50 | |
that saw them not only make royalties from their songwriting, | 0:08:50 | 0:08:53 | |
but also gave them a chance to part-own their songs... | 0:08:53 | 0:08:57 | |
MUSIC: Please Please Me by The Beatles | 0:08:57 | 0:09:00 | |
..something that in that tug-of-war was unheard of. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:06 | |
When you signed any publishing deal in those days, the publisher, | 0:09:06 | 0:09:10 | |
not the artist, owned the song forever. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
At that time, all other songwriters were green with envy | 0:09:13 | 0:09:17 | |
that John and Paul were writing their own songs, | 0:09:17 | 0:09:19 | |
getting them recorded, | 0:09:19 | 0:09:21 | |
making money from them and half owning them, | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
because they couldn't have deals like that. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:26 | |
It seemed like the golden deal. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:28 | |
Lennon and McCartney were gaining ground. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
They already had a royalty from the record deal | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
and from their publishing deal, | 0:09:35 | 0:09:37 | |
they got another slice of royalties. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
And a separate royalty every time | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
the song was performed on TV or radio. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
And they weren't the only ones performing their songs. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
# Got a good reason | 0:09:49 | 0:09:51 | |
# For taking the easy way out | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
# He was a day tripper... # | 0:09:55 | 0:09:59 | |
The job of a music publisher is to get other artists | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
to record their songs. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
And I think we were pretty good at that. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:07 | |
Here it is. Korean-style Beatle music - verses in English, | 0:10:07 | 0:10:11 | |
chorus in Korean. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:12 | |
This results in a big increase in the royalties that they could earn. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:16 | |
Every time any of these songs was played on the radio, | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
any time a school orchestra played All My Loving, | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
they were in for a share of it. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:27 | |
# And I'll send all my loving to you | 0:10:27 | 0:10:32 | |
# All my loving... # | 0:10:32 | 0:10:34 | |
Within 18 months of its release, | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
Yesterday had been covered almost 450 times. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:41 | |
# Yesterday | 0:10:41 | 0:10:42 | |
# All my troubles seemed so far away... # | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
-That's Yesterday. -Sounds like a fortnight! | 0:10:45 | 0:10:48 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:10:48 | 0:10:49 | |
They had success on a level that had never been imagined possible. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:53 | |
The Beatles had this vast sum of money | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
that was coming in from all angles from their songwriting, | 0:10:56 | 0:10:58 | |
from their record sales. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:00 | |
But what that meant was, they had a problem. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
The moment you put your hands on it, the Government goes, | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
"And where's my 91%?" | 0:11:06 | 0:11:08 | |
# Taxman... # | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
In bombsite Britain, still rebuilding after the war, | 0:11:11 | 0:11:15 | |
tax was set at 41% basic rate, | 0:11:15 | 0:11:19 | |
rising to 91% for high earners. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:23 | |
# There's one for you | 0:11:23 | 0:11:24 | |
# 19 for me... # | 0:11:24 | 0:11:26 | |
But Dick and The Beatles came up with a way of making money tax-free, | 0:11:27 | 0:11:33 | |
by getting into bed with the original men in suits. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:37 | |
They floated their company on the stock market, | 0:11:39 | 0:11:43 | |
and with the proceeds, John and Paul bought grand pop-star mansions. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:48 | |
And they weren't the only ones splashing out. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:51 | |
Dick James rather ostentatiously had a Rolls-Royce. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:57 | |
He moved to nice big offices on New Oxford Street | 0:11:57 | 0:12:00 | |
above Midland Bank, which was appropriate. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:02 | |
And I think they looked at it and thought, "Hey, that's our money." | 0:12:03 | 0:12:07 | |
They were making the Let It Be film. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:09 | |
And they were a little bit rude to him. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:11 | |
There was references to him being a pig and fascist. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:15 | |
My father picked up the phone to Lew Grade and said, | 0:12:15 | 0:12:19 | |
"Maybe now's the time to sell." | 0:12:19 | 0:12:21 | |
He, at this point, hadn't discussed it with Lennon or McCartney. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:27 | |
They were extremely upset | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
that they were never given the opportunity of buying it themselves. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:34 | |
Lew Grade mounted a takeover bid. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
But Paul and John couldn't agree on what to do, | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
and sold up to THE fat cat in a suit. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:46 | |
The golden deal was gone. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:49 | |
The deal that gave John and Paul ownership of their songs. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:54 | |
Ownership of pop songs, | 0:12:54 | 0:12:56 | |
I think people thought would be a very ephemeral source of income | 0:12:56 | 0:13:00 | |
and a very temporary source of income, | 0:13:00 | 0:13:02 | |
and, of course, it turned out | 0:13:02 | 0:13:03 | |
that classic pop songs are worth a fortune. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:05 | |
You know, I think that would be upsetting for any artist | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
to find that something that you felt was entirely yours | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
because you'd made it, wasn't yours any more. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
Those songs, like property, would rocket in value. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:19 | |
And after being snapped up by Michael Jackson and Sony, | 0:13:19 | 0:13:23 | |
are now worth an estimated £500 million. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:28 | |
No wonder Paul is still in a tug-of-war to get them back. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:32 | |
-ARCHIVE: -'Sir Paul McCartney is taking legal action against Sony | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
'as he fights to reclaim ownership of The Beatles' hits...' | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
In the early '60s, | 0:13:39 | 0:13:40 | |
talent like The Beatles were so young and vulnerable, | 0:13:40 | 0:13:44 | |
they'd often look for a heavyweight in a suit | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
to put on their side of the tug-of-war, | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
a bulldog style of manager who would take care of business. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
My dad was a manager in the '60s. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
-ARCHIVE: -'For Don Arden, | 0:13:57 | 0:13:59 | |
'the recording session is the most testing moment...' | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
He was very strong. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:06 | |
He would fight tooth and nail for what he believed in - | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
many occasions physically fighting with people | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
over his artist. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:14 | |
He was larger than life. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:15 | |
'I think everybody wants to make money. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:19 | |
'If I've ever exploited anybody, it's for their own benefit.' | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
The Small Faces came into my dad's office. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:27 | |
They were lovable, naughty little boys. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
He loved them, loved their personalities. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:33 | |
He's a fantastic guy to meet. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:35 | |
He offered us a deal. He said, | 0:14:35 | 0:14:37 | |
"We'll give you a wage of £20 a week each, | 0:14:37 | 0:14:41 | |
"or you can have a royalty." | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
So we said, "Hold on a minute. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:46 | |
"So the first thing is, we're just going to go out of the room | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
"and have a little chat, see what we want to do." | 0:14:48 | 0:14:50 | |
So we went out of the room, come back in and said, "We want both." | 0:14:50 | 0:14:53 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:14:53 | 0:14:55 | |
Who could it be but... The Small Faces? | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
They were so fresh and so different from everything else at that time. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:04 | |
# Girl, hold my hand... # | 0:15:04 | 0:15:09 | |
My dad knew that this band were going to break huge. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:13 | |
He just knew. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:14 | |
# I've been waiting for a long, long time | 0:15:14 | 0:15:16 | |
# Think everything's gonna turn out fine | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
# Hey, hey! | 0:15:19 | 0:15:21 | |
# It's all right... # | 0:15:21 | 0:15:22 | |
This was a real personal management deal. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
My dad was betting on them being huge, | 0:15:26 | 0:15:29 | |
and started out laying money on the band, | 0:15:29 | 0:15:32 | |
thinking he would get it back | 0:15:32 | 0:15:34 | |
from record and publishing contracts and concert fees. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:37 | |
Everything went through his office. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
So he would find them songs, he would find the producer, | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
he got them signed. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:46 | |
He moved them all to London, | 0:15:47 | 0:15:49 | |
put them in a house together so they all lived together. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
# Wouldn't it be nice | 0:15:52 | 0:15:54 | |
# To get on with me neighbours? # | 0:15:54 | 0:15:57 | |
He said, "I think you should all live together | 0:15:57 | 0:15:59 | |
"so you can write songs and stuff like that," | 0:15:59 | 0:16:01 | |
so we rented a house in Pimlico. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:03 | |
Next door was Honor Blackman, | 0:16:03 | 0:16:05 | |
and she was great, because we all loved her, | 0:16:05 | 0:16:06 | |
cos we were always giving her wolf whistles | 0:16:06 | 0:16:08 | |
and saying how much we fancied her. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
But I didn't realise at the time she was as old as my mum. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:15 | |
# Lazy Sunday afternoon | 0:16:15 | 0:16:18 | |
# I've got no mind to worry | 0:16:18 | 0:16:22 | |
# I close my eyes and drift away... # | 0:16:22 | 0:16:26 | |
Whatever they needed came through my dad's office. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
He did everything from arranging payment for their clothes | 0:16:29 | 0:16:33 | |
to their hairdresser, they were driven everywhere, | 0:16:33 | 0:16:37 | |
to getting their clothes dry cleaned. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:39 | |
There was only three shops in Carnaby Street. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
Because they wanted us to look good, we wanted to look good as well, | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
he got us an account in each three shops. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:50 | |
One was Toppers, one was John Stephen | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
and another one was called Lord John. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:55 | |
# I thought you'd listen to my reason... # | 0:16:56 | 0:17:03 | |
Don Arden, he worked us very hard. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:05 | |
Sometimes we'd do three gigs in one day, like, we'd play, like, Leeds, | 0:17:06 | 0:17:10 | |
Manchester and then Liverpool. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:11 | |
# Try to make you see | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
# How it's got to be... | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
# Yes, it's all right... # | 0:17:20 | 0:17:24 | |
Then we had a number one. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:26 | |
We kept saying, "Don, where's all our money?" | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
Because he never paid us any royalties. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
And he said, "Well, I'm looking after it, don't worry about it. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:37 | |
"I've opened up a bank account for you, | 0:17:37 | 0:17:39 | |
"and I'll make sure it's all right, | 0:17:39 | 0:17:40 | |
"I'll look after it for you." | 0:17:40 | 0:17:42 | |
And he certainly did look after it - for himself. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:44 | |
It don't take the Brain of Britain | 0:17:50 | 0:17:51 | |
to work out that you've done so many gigs at X amount, | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
we would ask Don, "Where's the rest of the money, then?" | 0:17:54 | 0:17:58 | |
Cos we knew there was got to be more. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:00 | |
You know, because renting a flat in those days wasn't that expensive. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
Hey, Steve. What are you going to do about it? | 0:18:03 | 0:18:05 | |
Their PARENTS came into the office. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
# I want you to know that I love you, baby | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
# Want you to know that I care... # | 0:18:17 | 0:18:19 | |
The parents were like, "OK, my son's famous, where's the money?" | 0:18:19 | 0:18:24 | |
Don Arden said, "They've spent it all." | 0:18:25 | 0:18:27 | |
And they said, "What have they spent it on, then?" | 0:18:29 | 0:18:31 | |
They said, "Well, they were all on drugs, | 0:18:31 | 0:18:34 | |
"like, heroin and stuff like that." | 0:18:34 | 0:18:36 | |
That would take your mind off money, wouldn't it? | 0:18:36 | 0:18:38 | |
And, of course, all our parents were very concerned | 0:18:38 | 0:18:40 | |
that we were all on drugs, which we weren't. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:42 | |
I mean, we were, but not to the extent | 0:18:42 | 0:18:45 | |
that Don Arden was talking about. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:47 | |
Once the band are pissed off with you, | 0:18:53 | 0:18:55 | |
AND the parents, you've got no chance. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:58 | |
So The Small Faces told my father | 0:19:06 | 0:19:09 | |
that they were approached by another manager, Robert Stigwood. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:13 | |
Now, we are in Robert Stigwood's old offices now. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:17 | |
So my father came up here | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
to have a conversation about this situation with Mr Stigwood. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:24 | |
The conversation didn't really end well, | 0:19:26 | 0:19:28 | |
because at the end of the conversation, | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
my father dangled Mr Stigwood | 0:19:31 | 0:19:35 | |
out of this window here. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:37 | |
-ARCHIVE: -'Now, this is the story of The Animals | 0:19:40 | 0:19:42 | |
'and the rock and roll scene in general. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
'They made some records that enabled them to travel far...' | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
Don Arden was The Animals' booking agent. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:53 | |
Tough, threatening, fierce, | 0:19:53 | 0:19:57 | |
demanding. | 0:19:57 | 0:19:59 | |
Not a bad guy, apart from that. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:00 | |
My dad was only the booking agent. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:08 | |
The band's manager was Mike Jeffery, owner of Newcastle's Club A' Gogo, | 0:20:08 | 0:20:14 | |
who came up with a classic ploy of management, | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
the offshore bank account - | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
just as the band found fame with a folk song from the Deep South. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:25 | |
# There is a house in New Orleans | 0:20:25 | 0:20:31 | |
# They call the Rising Sun... # | 0:20:31 | 0:20:35 | |
I'd bought the record and I passed it around to the band | 0:20:35 | 0:20:39 | |
and said, "Learn this. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:41 | |
"And let's do it." | 0:20:41 | 0:20:43 | |
I always believed in it. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:45 | |
I mean, as soon as I heard this song, | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
I knew that if we did an electric version of it, | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
it would be mega. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:52 | |
# There is a house in New Orleans | 0:20:54 | 0:20:59 | |
# They call the Rising Sun | 0:21:00 | 0:21:04 | |
# And it's been the ruin of many of a poor boy | 0:21:06 | 0:21:11 | |
# And God, I know I'm one... # | 0:21:13 | 0:21:17 | |
I think that we were all led to believe | 0:21:17 | 0:21:21 | |
that if you put your signature on something... | 0:21:21 | 0:21:25 | |
..even if it's a scrap of toilet paper... | 0:21:26 | 0:21:29 | |
..it can constitute a contract. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
Michael Jeffery, businessman, | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
as he pretended to be, said, | 0:21:38 | 0:21:40 | |
"Look, there's no time to get a contract together." | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
"And the money's coming in, quickly and hot and fast. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:47 | |
"You've got the biggest selling record in the universe. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:50 | |
"Until we can get a contract signed, | 0:21:50 | 0:21:52 | |
"we'll take a 45 rpm copy, and we'll sign it with a Magic Marker. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:59 | |
"And that will constitute... | 0:22:00 | 0:22:01 | |
"a contract between us." | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
It seemed to be the track to follow. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:09 | |
We didn't know it was the road to hell. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
So we went for it. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:16 | |
# Some old piece of rag | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
# That's all faded and blue | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
# Like some old piece of rag | 0:22:24 | 0:22:28 | |
# That's all I am to you... # | 0:22:28 | 0:22:30 | |
Mike Jeffery, and his choice of creative accounting in London, | 0:22:32 | 0:22:36 | |
they formed a publishing deal to be administered out of the Bahamas, | 0:22:36 | 0:22:42 | |
where the money couldn't be touched. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:44 | |
The story was, they would set up this Bahamian bank account, | 0:22:44 | 0:22:48 | |
we'll call it Yameta. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:50 | |
"And when the touring's over, you can go make your movie, Eric, | 0:22:50 | 0:22:56 | |
"because you'll have, like, 1 million to fling around. | 0:22:56 | 0:23:00 | |
"At least. You know, the money's pouring in." | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
So I went along with that. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:05 | |
I always wanted to make a film. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:08 | |
# And I know you want to destroy | 0:23:08 | 0:23:10 | |
# And that's all I am to you... # | 0:23:10 | 0:23:12 | |
And then I met this lawyer, who said to me... | 0:23:12 | 0:23:14 | |
"What about the money from The Animals? | 0:23:16 | 0:23:18 | |
"The Rising Sun?" | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
He said, "It's about 4 million." | 0:23:21 | 0:23:23 | |
"Well, it's in the bank account in the Bahamas. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
"That's what I was told." | 0:23:28 | 0:23:30 | |
So I went down there and the bank... | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
..wasn't there. It had disappeared. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:37 | |
It was no longer a building. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:39 | |
Or it never HAD been a building. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:41 | |
# Oh, Mother, tell your children... # | 0:23:41 | 0:23:45 | |
I certainly found my head spinning. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
# Not to do what I have done... # | 0:23:48 | 0:23:52 | |
It led me to deep depression. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:57 | |
# Spend your lives in sin and misery | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
# In the House of the Rising Sun. # | 0:24:00 | 0:24:04 | |
I'm alive. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:05 | |
I'm alive. I walk into people's offices | 0:24:07 | 0:24:09 | |
that I haven't seen for years | 0:24:09 | 0:24:11 | |
and they go, "Man, you're still alive?!" | 0:24:11 | 0:24:15 | |
Yes. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:18 | |
I'm still alive. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:19 | |
By the end of the '60s... | 0:24:28 | 0:24:30 | |
-ARCHIVE: -'In Elysian Park, Los Angeles, | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
'these are the hippies who've opted out of American society | 0:24:33 | 0:24:37 | |
'and have chosen to live by their own rules...' | 0:24:37 | 0:24:39 | |
..the music business changed. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
I was hanging out with Hendrix. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:46 | |
It was not about the money, it was about creation. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:50 | |
People in the '60s, | 0:24:50 | 0:24:52 | |
the hippy flower child consciousness or just wanting to just... | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
..groove, right? | 0:24:57 | 0:24:59 | |
The music belonged to everyone. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:00 | |
A lot of people felt that way. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:02 | |
I saw every band I loved at love-ins. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:08 | |
They played for free. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:10 | |
They would just, you know, dance and groove. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:14 | |
# Well, I stand up next to a mountain | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
# And I chop it down with the edge of my hand... # | 0:25:17 | 0:25:20 | |
But soon a certain breed of operator | 0:25:20 | 0:25:22 | |
moved in to make money on the hippy culture. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:24 | |
And a tug-of-war started between bands and promoters | 0:25:27 | 0:25:31 | |
who liked to keep musicians in their place. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:34 | |
Out of the ticket price, they would deduct overheads like venue hire, | 0:25:35 | 0:25:40 | |
security, equipment, and the rest was split, | 0:25:40 | 0:25:43 | |
up to 65-35 between artist and promoter. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:48 | |
But promoters were renowned for inventing overheads | 0:25:49 | 0:25:53 | |
and finding other ways of increasing their profits. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:56 | |
One man confronted these promoters head-on, | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
and changed the world of live performance forever... | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
..the enormous Peter Grant. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:07 | |
I went to his house once. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:10 | |
"Let's go out onto the balcony and we'll get a machine gun | 0:26:11 | 0:26:15 | |
"and shoot bottles in the moat." | 0:26:15 | 0:26:16 | |
HE IMITATES MACHINE GUN | 0:26:20 | 0:26:22 | |
Yeah, that was great. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:23 | |
He was rock and roll. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:24 | |
-ARCHIVE: -'What does Led Zeppelin manager Peter Grant do | 0:26:24 | 0:26:27 | |
'when he finds bootleg recordings of HIS group?' | 0:26:27 | 0:26:29 | |
I personally go and confiscate the records. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:32 | |
-And how do you do that? -I just walk in and take them. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
Do some of the groups employ heavies, to er...? | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
They're not going to get anybody heavier than me, are they? | 0:26:38 | 0:26:42 | |
A lot of times the bands or the singers, you know, pop singers, | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
they'd never even see their managers. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:49 | |
We travelled with them. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:51 | |
He was with them all the time. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:53 | |
Very few managers did that. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:55 | |
Peter Grant was out for his band. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:56 | |
Don't fucking talk to me. It's my bloody act. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
He just had a way of dealing with people. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:01 | |
-HE IMITATES HIM: -"He'd speak, you know, a little bit like this, see. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:05 | |
"And YOU...had better do what I'm telling you." | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
I'm sure that a lot of people watching this | 0:27:13 | 0:27:14 | |
have seen the Led Zeppelin film... | 0:27:14 | 0:27:16 | |
It doesn't matter, so long as there's an extra nickel | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
to be drained, by exploiting Led Zeppelin, it's great. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
Promoters were always his pet hate. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:25 | |
That happened more or less every day. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:27 | |
You rented it. You rented it and you control it. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
It isn't selling fucking pirate posters. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
# Ah... | 0:27:35 | 0:27:38 | |
# We come from the land of the ice and snow | 0:27:39 | 0:27:41 | |
# From the midnight sun where the hot springs flow | 0:27:41 | 0:27:44 | |
# How soft your fields so green... # | 0:27:44 | 0:27:47 | |
I recall one incident in Chicago. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:50 | |
We were doing a club. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:52 | |
And I think the ticket price was 7. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:55 | |
And a roadie had spotted the promoter | 0:27:55 | 0:27:58 | |
outside one of the side doors | 0:27:58 | 0:28:01 | |
letting kids in, and just taking the money. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
Peter Grant got in the back of the queue. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:06 | |
He didn't notice it was Peter Grant in the queue | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
until he saw these Zuni Indian rings | 0:28:09 | 0:28:11 | |
that he used to have on his fingers. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:13 | |
And I'll never forget, Peter said, | 0:28:13 | 0:28:15 | |
"I'll have that, thank you very much," | 0:28:15 | 0:28:17 | |
and snatched the bag off the guy's hand, | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
but he was there defending his artists. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:23 | |
# To find a queen without a king. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:27 | |
# They say she plays guitar and cries and sings...# | 0:28:27 | 0:28:33 | |
Good evening. It really was the biggest crowd | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
ever assembled for a single performance | 0:28:37 | 0:28:39 | |
in one place in the entire history of the world. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:43 | |
The name of the group, Led Zeppelin. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:46 | |
Audiences grew so massively. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:48 | |
I mean, back then, even playing an arena was remarkable. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:50 | |
I think Peter Grant was one of the first people | 0:28:52 | 0:28:54 | |
to realise that the artist had a lot more power | 0:28:54 | 0:28:56 | |
than had previously been recognised. | 0:28:56 | 0:28:58 | |
You didn't have to do what promoters said. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:00 | |
You didn't have to give them 50%. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:02 | |
You could say, "No, we don't need you. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:04 | |
"We'll give you a lot less and get away with it." | 0:29:04 | 0:29:06 | |
And he did. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:07 | |
So they said, "OK, you can give us 90% of the net income." | 0:29:08 | 0:29:12 | |
Astonished a lot of people, but that was their deal. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:16 | |
If you wanted to book Led Zeppelin, that's what you had to pay. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:19 | |
And eventually, that became the model. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:22 | |
Zeppelin's '73 tour of America was the first to go stadium scale. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:29 | |
It grossed 4 million, 22 million in today's money. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:34 | |
# Been dazed and confused for so long, it's not true... # | 0:29:34 | 0:29:40 | |
But you can bet they fought for every penny | 0:29:40 | 0:29:44 | |
and Grant questioned every dodgy scam. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:48 | |
Cos seven years later, me and Ozzy | 0:29:48 | 0:29:51 | |
were still dealing with the same people. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
It was Ozzy's solo tour of America. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:57 | |
And the first six weeks sold out the first day they all went on sale. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:03 | |
As Ozzy would go on stage, I would then go and sit with the promoter | 0:30:06 | 0:30:10 | |
at the box office and do the accounts for that show. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:14 | |
And I'm handed six weeks of advertising bills. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:18 | |
We sold out the first day, | 0:30:18 | 0:30:20 | |
so you wouldn't have taken six weeks of advertising. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:23 | |
These bills aren't mine. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:26 | |
# I know that things are going wrong for me... # | 0:30:26 | 0:30:31 | |
In those days, everything was cash. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:35 | |
So he's holding 50,000 back from us, | 0:30:35 | 0:30:38 | |
charging us for this advertising that he never took. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:41 | |
He wasn't going to give me a break. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:43 | |
He gets up to leave, | 0:30:46 | 0:30:48 | |
and I get up and then I kick him in the crotch. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:52 | |
And then I grabbed hold of his ear. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:57 | |
He didn't have hair, so I couldn't pull his hair, | 0:30:57 | 0:30:59 | |
so I grabbed hold of his ear, | 0:30:59 | 0:31:01 | |
and I kept kicking him in the crotch, | 0:31:01 | 0:31:04 | |
and he couldn't believe what I was doing. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:06 | |
You like going crazy, huh? | 0:31:07 | 0:31:09 | |
But I was so infuriated at the way he was treating me, | 0:31:09 | 0:31:14 | |
like I was some idiot and I didn't know that I was being fucked. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:19 | |
It's like, "Are you stupid?!" | 0:31:19 | 0:31:20 | |
By the late '70s, the industry was making BIG money out of rock. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:33 | |
Record labels gave large advance payments | 0:31:34 | 0:31:37 | |
to rock bands in record deals, | 0:31:37 | 0:31:40 | |
although in tug-of-war tradition, | 0:31:40 | 0:31:42 | |
they'd take it all back out of the band's royalties. | 0:31:42 | 0:31:45 | |
There was an established order. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:49 | |
Until... | 0:31:50 | 0:31:52 | |
-Complacent and apathetic old -BLEEP. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:55 | |
And many labels refused to invest in the style of music | 0:31:57 | 0:32:01 | |
openly hostile to the industry. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:04 | |
What about bands like Rod Stewart? | 0:32:04 | 0:32:06 | |
-He's an old -BLEEP. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:08 | |
So punk came up with its own version of a record deal... | 0:32:08 | 0:32:11 | |
..starting with the Buzzcocks | 0:32:16 | 0:32:18 | |
borrowing money from friends and family | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
to press their first single, and selling it straight to record shops. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:26 | |
Of course, making your own records was very successful, | 0:32:26 | 0:32:28 | |
because apart from the pressing costs, | 0:32:28 | 0:32:30 | |
you wrote the records, so you didn't have to pay | 0:32:30 | 0:32:33 | |
any publishing royalties, apart from to yourself. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:35 | |
You got all the money. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:36 | |
I think it sold 17,000 copies, in the end, over six months. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:43 | |
It never got in the charts, but the impact it made was huge. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:47 | |
It inspired so many other acts to do the same. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:49 | |
OK, we are at Sunset Strip, | 0:32:53 | 0:32:57 | |
and we are at the part of the Strip that is legendary for rock music. | 0:32:57 | 0:33:02 | |
Down here, we have the Rainbow Bar and Grill, the Roxy, | 0:33:02 | 0:33:07 | |
and right behind me here, we have the Whisky. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:10 | |
So many legendary bands, especially from England, played here, | 0:33:10 | 0:33:14 | |
and I've seen everybody from Zeppelin to Deep Purple, | 0:33:14 | 0:33:19 | |
Black Sabbath's first gig in LA. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:22 | |
And in March '79, a new wave band made their debut at the Whisky, | 0:33:22 | 0:33:28 | |
a trio who had a very different attitude to deals | 0:33:28 | 0:33:32 | |
and how to make it. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:33 | |
Going back to the days of The Police, | 0:33:35 | 0:33:37 | |
there was really not a lot of activity | 0:33:37 | 0:33:39 | |
from the major record companies to sign | 0:33:39 | 0:33:41 | |
what they called punk bands at the time. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:43 | |
I had nothing I could sell the group on. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:48 | |
I couldn't show they were selling out concerts. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:51 | |
Anything really that would be positive for a record company | 0:33:51 | 0:33:53 | |
that would substantiate a large advance. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
So, I said to my brother, "Let's record an album," | 0:33:59 | 0:34:02 | |
so he immediately called Sting and says, "Good news, | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
"we're going to record an album." | 0:34:05 | 0:34:06 | |
And I, as it happened, found a studio run by a doctor. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:10 | |
There was a good doctor, out there in Surrey somewhere, | 0:34:10 | 0:34:13 | |
who just got an idea that he wanted to be, to record music. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:17 | |
And he had an ongoing practice as a doctor | 0:34:17 | 0:34:20 | |
and he was kind of doing this as a hobby. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:22 | |
And he had made a deal that would mean... | 0:34:22 | 0:34:24 | |
He said, "Look, for £1,000 I'll record | 0:34:24 | 0:34:27 | |
"whatever you bring me for a month." | 0:34:27 | 0:34:29 | |
After one month, I went into the studio, listened to it, | 0:34:29 | 0:34:31 | |
I wasn't that impressed. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:32 | |
You know, we played him all the stuff that we thought he'd like. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:38 | |
The stuff that goes, "Yeah, yeah, yeah." | 0:34:38 | 0:34:41 | |
I said, "OK, guys, I mean... | 0:34:41 | 0:34:42 | |
"It's OK, but what else have you got?" | 0:34:44 | 0:34:46 | |
The engineer said, "Well, there is this one other song." | 0:34:46 | 0:34:49 | |
And the group said "No, no, no, don't play him that, he'll hate it. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:51 | |
"It's a ballad, you're going to hate it." | 0:34:51 | 0:34:53 | |
It was low tempo. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:54 | |
We were supposed to be an up-tempo, aggressive, | 0:34:54 | 0:34:57 | |
angry band and here was this kind of... | 0:34:57 | 0:34:58 | |
-..sad song. -Finally the engineer just stuck the song on. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:03 | |
It was Roxanne. And I'm hearing this song and I'm thinking... | 0:35:04 | 0:35:08 | |
"Man, that's a game changer." | 0:35:08 | 0:35:10 | |
And I looked at the group and I said, "You guys have done a classic, | 0:35:10 | 0:35:12 | |
"it's a game changer." They all looked at me, like, shocked. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:15 | |
"What?! You like that?!" | 0:35:15 | 0:35:16 | |
I said, I said, "That's going to change everything. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:19 | |
"That's bigger than me." | 0:35:19 | 0:35:20 | |
And that prompted me to go into EMI Records the next day. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
# Roxanne, you don't have to put on the red light... # | 0:35:23 | 0:35:29 | |
So I basically made an offer that they couldn't refuse... | 0:35:30 | 0:35:33 | |
# You don't have to sell your body to the night... # | 0:35:33 | 0:35:36 | |
..which was "I'm going to give the band to you for free." | 0:35:36 | 0:35:40 | |
No risk. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:41 | |
But I want your highest royalty. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:45 | |
# Walk the streets for money | 0:35:45 | 0:35:48 | |
# You don't care if it's wrong or if it's right | 0:35:48 | 0:35:52 | |
# Roxanne... # | 0:35:52 | 0:35:54 | |
It wasn't like, "Give us money and we will record an album | 0:35:54 | 0:35:57 | |
"and buy a house." | 0:35:57 | 0:35:58 | |
It was just, "Give us... | 0:35:58 | 0:35:59 | |
"We already got the album. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:01 | |
"Just give us royalties." | 0:36:01 | 0:36:02 | |
And we asked less from them, | 0:36:04 | 0:36:06 | |
and we also demanded that they take less from us. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:10 | |
So from a record company standpoint, this was, well, | 0:36:12 | 0:36:15 | |
"What have we got to lose?" | 0:36:15 | 0:36:16 | |
18% was considered high. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:19 | |
"If they don't sell, I don't have to pay a high royalty, anyway. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:23 | |
"How bad could that be?" | 0:36:23 | 0:36:25 | |
So the deal was an easy yes. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:28 | |
So we get back to England and we had a tour, | 0:36:31 | 0:36:33 | |
but supporting Alberto y Los Trios Paranoias | 0:36:33 | 0:36:37 | |
who were like a comedy group of the day. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:39 | |
First night of the tour, the manager is telling our manager, | 0:36:42 | 0:36:45 | |
"Oh, we should have charged you money to be on this tour. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:48 | |
"The whole tour is sold-out. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:49 | |
"Best tour we've ever had. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:50 | |
"You know, we should charge you money to be on this." | 0:36:50 | 0:36:53 | |
Well, it was soon revealed who sold that tour out. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:56 | |
We get on stage and... | 0:36:56 | 0:36:57 | |
-CHEERING -It's time...FOR THE POLICE. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:02 | |
# So lonely | 0:37:02 | 0:37:03 | |
# So lonely | 0:37:03 | 0:37:05 | |
# So lonely... # | 0:37:05 | 0:37:07 | |
You know, teeny bop. We started out as a boy band. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:09 | |
Take a look at Sting at age 24... | 0:37:14 | 0:37:16 | |
Kidding me? How could that fail? | 0:37:16 | 0:37:18 | |
The Police got an 18% slice of that record deal. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:27 | |
And after their first album sold millions, | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
they got bigger slices of the next albums, | 0:37:30 | 0:37:33 | |
as they re-negotiated the deal. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:36 | |
And on their publishing, | 0:37:37 | 0:37:39 | |
they did a deal where, after seven years, | 0:37:39 | 0:37:42 | |
it all reverted to them. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:43 | |
They, unlike The Beatles, would own their own publishing. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:48 | |
And on the road, | 0:37:51 | 0:37:53 | |
the Police offered another example | 0:37:53 | 0:37:55 | |
of how bands could stake their financial independence | 0:37:55 | 0:37:58 | |
from labels and publishers. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:00 | |
One of the best deals in pop is the merchandise. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:03 | |
The T-shirt is the best product in show business. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:08 | |
Way better than the record. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:10 | |
Records are complicated. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:11 | |
You've got to record them, to figure out the publishing. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:13 | |
You've got lawyers. You've got deals. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:15 | |
You've got a huge corporation that has to market for you. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:18 | |
T-shirts, if it costs you ten bucks, you get nine out of it. | 0:38:18 | 0:38:22 | |
It's all money. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:23 | |
You know, when you play a show that's nice money, too, | 0:38:23 | 0:38:25 | |
but you've got to have a crew, have a tour, | 0:38:25 | 0:38:27 | |
you've got an agent. You know, money going everywhere. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:29 | |
But that T-shirt, you sell T-shirts and it's just all cash money. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:34 | |
We were playing these stadiums. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:35 | |
The merch guys are in these one-piece suits with no pockets. | 0:38:35 | 0:38:39 | |
Cos people are throwing cash at them, | 0:38:39 | 0:38:41 | |
and they're throwing T-shirts - "Here's 10, | 0:38:41 | 0:38:44 | |
"there's a T-shirt, here's 20 bucks, there's two shirts..." | 0:38:44 | 0:38:47 | |
And it was just like... | 0:38:47 | 0:38:48 | |
And the money's all going into these trash bins. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:50 | |
And so when we'd leave the show, the trash bins all... | 0:38:50 | 0:38:56 | |
You know, they'd tie up the thing and throw them on the plane. | 0:38:56 | 0:38:59 | |
And so as we fly out, | 0:38:59 | 0:39:01 | |
we're there, and we empty the bags of cash | 0:39:01 | 0:39:03 | |
and it was like Ebenezer Scrooge's money, you know, | 0:39:03 | 0:39:07 | |
it's a green hail and it's just like we're throwing the money around, | 0:39:07 | 0:39:11 | |
and I've got this on film. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:13 | |
It's snowing money. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:14 | |
We're at the merchandising booth, | 0:39:25 | 0:39:27 | |
and we are at one of the last shows of Black Sabbath at the NEC. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:32 | |
Merchandising today is so important to every touring band. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:39 | |
And it's amazing how it has evolved over the years. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:43 | |
The Beatles were one of the first | 0:39:48 | 0:39:50 | |
to have a whole range of merchandise, | 0:39:50 | 0:39:53 | |
although their manufacturers took most of the profit. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:56 | |
And nowadays, everyone wants a cut of the merchandise. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:01 | |
One thing is, that when you sell merchandise, | 0:40:05 | 0:40:08 | |
especially a venue like this, | 0:40:08 | 0:40:10 | |
the price is higher than what you would buy in a store | 0:40:10 | 0:40:14 | |
because the venue will charge you anything from 35% commission | 0:40:14 | 0:40:20 | |
for everything you sell. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:22 | |
And that's why they're overpriced, but at the same time too, | 0:40:22 | 0:40:26 | |
the fan wants to get a memento from that gig, that night. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:31 | |
You will remember where you were, | 0:40:31 | 0:40:33 | |
what was going on when you bought that shirt. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:36 | |
The best marketing you can ever have for any artist | 0:40:36 | 0:40:40 | |
is for people walking around the world, | 0:40:40 | 0:40:42 | |
wearing your shirt with your name on it. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:45 | |
There's nothing like it. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:47 | |
Speaking of advertising, | 0:40:51 | 0:40:54 | |
for decades, big brands approached songwriters | 0:40:54 | 0:40:57 | |
with big-money deals to use their music in ads. | 0:40:57 | 0:41:01 | |
With limited success. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:03 | |
# Ooh, I bet you're wondering how I knew... # | 0:41:03 | 0:41:08 | |
The reality of the music business had been, | 0:41:08 | 0:41:10 | |
it was sort of a standard rule that you don't sell out to the man, | 0:41:10 | 0:41:15 | |
basically, the big corporations. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:16 | |
# ..The two of us guys | 0:41:16 | 0:41:18 | |
# You know I love you more... # | 0:41:18 | 0:41:20 | |
You saw companies like Levi's would do commercials | 0:41:20 | 0:41:22 | |
but they were always old, known songs. | 0:41:22 | 0:41:25 | |
You never saw a new song being used in a commercial. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:29 | |
And you never saw a credible act | 0:41:29 | 0:41:31 | |
allowing its music to be used in a commercial sense, | 0:41:31 | 0:41:35 | |
because people would say, "Oh, you're selling out." | 0:41:35 | 0:41:38 | |
We were precious about ourselves and the way we saw ourselves as artists. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:43 | |
And I do remember distinctly that my buddy Stingo | 0:41:43 | 0:41:47 | |
was offered a lot of money | 0:41:47 | 0:41:49 | |
from a deodorant company for Don't Stand So Close To Me, | 0:41:49 | 0:41:52 | |
as you can imagine. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:54 | |
The synergy there... He said "No." | 0:41:54 | 0:41:57 | |
But by the late '80s, | 0:42:00 | 0:42:02 | |
with artists starting to own their own songs, | 0:42:02 | 0:42:05 | |
some took the money... | 0:42:05 | 0:42:07 | |
Go ahead. | 0:42:07 | 0:42:09 | |
Make a wish. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:10 | |
..as in Madonna's 5-million deal to license | 0:42:10 | 0:42:14 | |
Like A Prayer for Pepsi. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:16 | |
# When you call my name | 0:42:16 | 0:42:18 | |
# It's like a little prayer... # | 0:42:18 | 0:42:20 | |
But most artists still thought twice. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:22 | |
On the classic case, Blue Monday, New Order. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:27 | |
Bernard Sumner had a banner put up in front of him in the studio | 0:42:27 | 0:42:31 | |
that said "200,000." | 0:42:31 | 0:42:33 | |
And he had to look at it, to make him sing | 0:42:33 | 0:42:36 | |
the different line that was the tweak of Blue Monday. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:38 | |
-MELODY OF BLUE MONDAY: -# When you're drinking in the sunshine | 0:42:38 | 0:42:43 | |
# Sunkist is the one... # | 0:42:43 | 0:42:45 | |
But there was one person who would take music licensing to a new place. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:53 | |
And he came from the most unlikely corner of the music scene. | 0:42:53 | 0:42:57 | |
When I was working on the album Play, to all extents and purposes | 0:43:01 | 0:43:05 | |
my career had kind of come to an end. | 0:43:05 | 0:43:08 | |
By the end of the '90s, I had sort of become a has-been. | 0:43:08 | 0:43:11 | |
I thought maybe I would release it, | 0:43:11 | 0:43:13 | |
it would disappear into obscurity, | 0:43:13 | 0:43:16 | |
and I would go back to school and get my doctorate in philosophy, | 0:43:16 | 0:43:20 | |
and go teach community college. | 0:43:20 | 0:43:22 | |
# Oh Lordy, trouble so hard... # | 0:43:22 | 0:43:26 | |
I had made the record in my bedroom, | 0:43:26 | 0:43:28 | |
with a few thousand dollars' worth of equipment. | 0:43:28 | 0:43:30 | |
And it featured vocals | 0:43:30 | 0:43:32 | |
from long dead African-American singers. | 0:43:32 | 0:43:35 | |
# ..Don't nobody know my troubles but God... # | 0:43:35 | 0:43:39 | |
So it was not a recipe for success. | 0:43:39 | 0:43:41 | |
Especially... | 0:43:41 | 0:43:42 | |
It was the late '90s when Limp Bizkit and Britney | 0:43:42 | 0:43:46 | |
and Backstreet Boys were kings and queens. | 0:43:46 | 0:43:50 | |
When Play was released, no-one cared. | 0:43:50 | 0:43:53 | |
I wasn't even getting bad reviews, I was getting no reviews. | 0:43:53 | 0:43:56 | |
The breakthrough was when Danny Boyle | 0:44:00 | 0:44:03 | |
licensed the song Porcelain for The Beach... | 0:44:03 | 0:44:06 | |
You hear that? You hear that? | 0:44:06 | 0:44:09 | |
That was when it felt like the record | 0:44:09 | 0:44:11 | |
went from being an obscure failure... | 0:44:11 | 0:44:14 | |
..to a less obscure failure. | 0:44:15 | 0:44:17 | |
Like, all of a sudden it was being included | 0:44:22 | 0:44:24 | |
in all these end of year journalist compilations, | 0:44:24 | 0:44:27 | |
like Best Of '99, and suddenly, | 0:44:27 | 0:44:30 | |
it just reached a broader audience. | 0:44:30 | 0:44:32 | |
Through licensing, Play became successful. | 0:44:38 | 0:44:40 | |
It was this leapfrogging thing where it would get licensed... | 0:44:40 | 0:44:44 | |
# You'd better leave that woman alone... # | 0:44:44 | 0:44:46 | |
..which would help it to reach a bigger audience... | 0:44:48 | 0:44:51 | |
'It's the place where chocolate comes from.' | 0:44:51 | 0:44:54 | |
..which would then enable it to get licensed... | 0:44:54 | 0:44:56 | |
..which enabled it to reach a bigger audience... | 0:44:59 | 0:45:02 | |
'Lease a new Pathfinder SE for just 369 a month.' | 0:45:02 | 0:45:05 | |
And then into 2000, | 0:45:05 | 0:45:07 | |
it suddenly became a number one record around the world, | 0:45:07 | 0:45:10 | |
ten months after it had been released. | 0:45:10 | 0:45:12 | |
I became the poster-child whipping-boy for licensing. | 0:45:14 | 0:45:20 | |
I mean, I remember when I released the follow-up album to Play, | 0:45:21 | 0:45:24 | |
which was called 18, the NME, | 0:45:24 | 0:45:26 | |
which has never really been very fond of me, | 0:45:26 | 0:45:28 | |
didn't review the record, | 0:45:28 | 0:45:30 | |
they just wrote an article about how terrible I was for licensing music. | 0:45:30 | 0:45:34 | |
And then it became this almost, like, | 0:45:35 | 0:45:38 | |
exorcism of, like, comrade Trotsky, | 0:45:38 | 0:45:40 | |
like erasing me from things. | 0:45:40 | 0:45:41 | |
It got to the point where I was headlining Glastonbury... | 0:45:41 | 0:45:44 | |
..and NME didn't mention that I was playing. | 0:45:46 | 0:45:49 | |
It even had an article, Bald Performers At Glastonbury, | 0:45:49 | 0:45:54 | |
and I wasn't listed, and I was the headliner on the main stage. | 0:45:54 | 0:45:57 | |
Because they hated me that much. | 0:45:57 | 0:45:59 | |
Go! | 0:46:02 | 0:46:03 | |
It's 2017 now. | 0:46:03 | 0:46:05 | |
To put it in this context, | 0:46:05 | 0:46:07 | |
when every musician is bending over backwards to license their music, | 0:46:07 | 0:46:11 | |
I just had the misfortune of doing it very visibly | 0:46:11 | 0:46:15 | |
and sort of at the beginning. | 0:46:15 | 0:46:18 | |
Moby was the first to license all the tracks on one album for ads | 0:46:18 | 0:46:23 | |
or film, over the years, making an estimated 10 million from licensing. | 0:46:23 | 0:46:28 | |
And Moby's success came in a decade | 0:46:35 | 0:46:37 | |
that saw music sales hit an all-time high. | 0:46:37 | 0:46:40 | |
Thank you, thank you, thank you. | 0:46:40 | 0:46:42 | |
Have a wonderful night! | 0:46:42 | 0:46:43 | |
Good night! | 0:46:43 | 0:46:45 | |
But of course, artists weren't the ones making the really big money. | 0:46:45 | 0:46:50 | |
The '90s was a boom time for the business, | 0:46:50 | 0:46:54 | |
and a lot of it was about the rise of this '80s invention, | 0:46:54 | 0:46:59 | |
which meant you had to buy your favourite albums | 0:46:59 | 0:47:01 | |
all over again. | 0:47:01 | 0:47:04 | |
Ka-ching! | 0:47:04 | 0:47:05 | |
This new long-playing record - all the same songs, | 0:47:06 | 0:47:09 | |
but a fraction of the size. | 0:47:09 | 0:47:11 | |
-JOHN CLEESE: -'Take the new Compact Disc. | 0:47:11 | 0:47:13 | |
'One hour of Mozart out of a beer mat.' | 0:47:13 | 0:47:15 | |
Here was an opportunity for record companies | 0:47:16 | 0:47:18 | |
to actually put the price point wherever they felt like it. | 0:47:18 | 0:47:22 | |
-ARCHIVE: -'It's dust-proof, scratch-proof, | 0:47:22 | 0:47:24 | |
'digitally recorded, read by a laser...' | 0:47:24 | 0:47:27 | |
I think, at that point, the vinyl album was £7.95. | 0:47:27 | 0:47:30 | |
But the CD, record companies had started to peg it at around £15, | 0:47:30 | 0:47:34 | |
on the basis of this being new, shiny technology. | 0:47:34 | 0:47:37 | |
It is really durable. | 0:47:37 | 0:47:39 | |
I'm now going to make a digital jam sandwich. | 0:47:39 | 0:47:42 | |
Who wants to have the first bite? | 0:47:42 | 0:47:44 | |
-You? -Me! -Go on... | 0:47:44 | 0:47:46 | |
I'm a historian, | 0:47:46 | 0:47:47 | |
and I go around interviewing people in the music business, | 0:47:47 | 0:47:49 | |
and I was talking to a senior lawyer from EMI a couple of years ago, | 0:47:49 | 0:47:53 | |
now retired, who volunteered to me, | 0:47:53 | 0:47:55 | |
because I wasn't even asking the question, | 0:47:55 | 0:47:58 | |
that record companies absolutely fleeced the public. | 0:47:58 | 0:48:01 | |
They were just lining the pockets of record companies. | 0:48:01 | 0:48:04 | |
There was money like you wouldn't believe. | 0:48:04 | 0:48:07 | |
The way record executives lived, the amounts of money they were earning, | 0:48:09 | 0:48:14 | |
the yearly bonuses they were all on, their expense accounts, | 0:48:14 | 0:48:18 | |
their chauffeurs, the way they travelled, private planes, | 0:48:18 | 0:48:22 | |
it was a whole different world then, | 0:48:22 | 0:48:25 | |
and they would all go bidding for a band. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:28 | |
They'd outbid each other just to see | 0:48:28 | 0:48:30 | |
who could come up with the most money. | 0:48:30 | 0:48:32 | |
In those days it was like, "Who's got the biggest dick?" | 0:48:32 | 0:48:35 | |
And they didn't care whether the artist sold or not, | 0:48:35 | 0:48:37 | |
it was like, "Well, we beat you." It was personal. | 0:48:37 | 0:48:41 | |
# What's the frequency, Kenneth? | 0:48:41 | 0:48:43 | |
# Is your Benzedrine, uh-huh... # | 0:48:43 | 0:48:46 | |
The '90s saw record companies advance, not tens of thousands, | 0:48:46 | 0:48:51 | |
but millions to sign big acts. | 0:48:51 | 0:48:54 | |
Like financial institutions, | 0:48:54 | 0:48:57 | |
labels were trying to increase the value of their brand, | 0:48:57 | 0:49:01 | |
even if they were paying more than ever before. | 0:49:01 | 0:49:04 | |
When a band became successful, | 0:49:06 | 0:49:07 | |
it was a safer bet to buy a known commodity, | 0:49:07 | 0:49:10 | |
and pay through the nose for it, | 0:49:10 | 0:49:11 | |
than it was an unknown commodity, | 0:49:11 | 0:49:14 | |
because let's not forget that on a good day, | 0:49:14 | 0:49:16 | |
nine out of ten signings were complete failures, | 0:49:16 | 0:49:19 | |
and the record company lost all the money. | 0:49:19 | 0:49:21 | |
# I never understood the frequency... # | 0:49:21 | 0:49:24 | |
So when you had an act like REM, what a bonanza. | 0:49:24 | 0:49:28 | |
I can buy this act, I pay the money, | 0:49:28 | 0:49:30 | |
I can almost bank what's going to happen. | 0:49:30 | 0:49:33 | |
It's a much safer risk than signing Joe Blow | 0:49:33 | 0:49:36 | |
who nobody's ever heard of, | 0:49:36 | 0:49:38 | |
and who has a 90% chance of failure. | 0:49:38 | 0:49:40 | |
But at the end of the decade, | 0:49:41 | 0:49:44 | |
something happened that record companies didn't see coming. | 0:49:44 | 0:49:47 | |
CD sales were already falling. | 0:49:47 | 0:49:51 | |
It's all because of internet technology called MP3. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:54 | |
They were getting hit with piracy, and so they were worried. | 0:49:54 | 0:49:58 | |
Suddenly they realised all that money | 0:49:58 | 0:50:00 | |
that they invested was going to make artists money | 0:50:00 | 0:50:04 | |
in other areas, and they weren't sharing it. | 0:50:04 | 0:50:06 | |
And sales fell. | 0:50:07 | 0:50:08 | |
In the old tug-of-war, | 0:50:08 | 0:50:10 | |
record companies started to look at other ways | 0:50:10 | 0:50:13 | |
of making money out of artists, | 0:50:13 | 0:50:15 | |
and floated the concept of the 360 deal, | 0:50:15 | 0:50:19 | |
where labels would take a share of other areas of artist's income. | 0:50:19 | 0:50:24 | |
You know what a 360 deal is? | 0:50:24 | 0:50:25 | |
We get a percentage of 360 degrees of what you do. | 0:50:25 | 0:50:30 | |
So there's only 360 degrees, so we get a percentage of everything. | 0:50:30 | 0:50:33 | |
So, if I go on the road, | 0:50:33 | 0:50:35 | |
the record label who actually put my record out, | 0:50:35 | 0:50:38 | |
that helped me get on the road, | 0:50:38 | 0:50:39 | |
is now collecting a percentage of my tour royalties. | 0:50:39 | 0:50:42 | |
That never happened in the past. | 0:50:42 | 0:50:43 | |
Typically, a record company will expect anything | 0:50:43 | 0:50:48 | |
from 25% of live revenue, | 0:50:48 | 0:50:51 | |
for instance, for merchandise. | 0:50:51 | 0:50:52 | |
Robbie Williams' 2002 deal looked very generous on the label's part. | 0:50:53 | 0:50:59 | |
What I remember is him walking outside the office here | 0:51:01 | 0:51:04 | |
and saying something like, "I'm rich beyond my wildest dreams". | 0:51:04 | 0:51:07 | |
I'm rich, beyond my wildest dreams! | 0:51:07 | 0:51:11 | |
The deal was reportedly worth 80 million, I think, wasn't it? | 0:51:11 | 0:51:15 | |
I think that was... | 0:51:15 | 0:51:16 | |
Somebody fed that out, I've no idea who. | 0:51:16 | 0:51:19 | |
But EMI's 80 million was offset by them | 0:51:19 | 0:51:22 | |
getting a share of the live income | 0:51:22 | 0:51:25 | |
of an artist who was THIS big. | 0:51:25 | 0:51:27 | |
And, of course, Robbie Williams held the record | 0:51:31 | 0:51:33 | |
for selling more tickets in a week than anyone. | 0:51:33 | 0:51:36 | |
I think it was 1.6 million tickets in a week, | 0:51:36 | 0:51:40 | |
which was pretty stunning. | 0:51:40 | 0:51:42 | |
# Hell is gone and heaven's here | 0:51:43 | 0:51:44 | |
# There's nothing left for you to fear | 0:51:44 | 0:51:47 | |
# Shake your ass, come over here | 0:51:47 | 0:51:48 | |
# Now scream... # | 0:51:48 | 0:51:50 | |
The industry has not become more favourable for the artist. | 0:51:52 | 0:51:57 | |
They developed just another form of ownership. | 0:52:01 | 0:52:05 | |
And ownership is what the record industry was built on | 0:52:05 | 0:52:09 | |
back from the '50s on. | 0:52:09 | 0:52:11 | |
Not much has changed, in other words. | 0:52:12 | 0:52:14 | |
'You don't have zero problems, big fella.' | 0:52:16 | 0:52:19 | |
These days, there is a new breed of young musician | 0:52:19 | 0:52:23 | |
who is beginning to think, "Do I need a deal at all? | 0:52:23 | 0:52:27 | |
"Do I need all that hassle and heartbreak? | 0:52:27 | 0:52:30 | |
"I can do this on my own." | 0:52:30 | 0:52:31 | |
# If one more label try to stop me | 0:52:33 | 0:52:36 | |
# It's gon' be some dreadhead niggas in ya lobby, huh huh | 0:52:36 | 0:52:40 | |
# You don't want no problem, want no problem with me, bih...! # | 0:52:40 | 0:52:44 | |
Chance the Rapper won multiple Grammys this year, | 0:52:44 | 0:52:47 | |
and yet he has no deal. | 0:52:47 | 0:52:51 | |
And he isn't the only rapper doing it. | 0:52:51 | 0:52:54 | |
Rap is pointing the way forward, | 0:52:54 | 0:52:57 | |
and maybe that is to do with where rap has come from. | 0:52:57 | 0:53:01 | |
You are now about to witness the strength of street knowledge. | 0:53:02 | 0:53:06 | |
I've seen a lot of stories about a lot of artists over the years, | 0:53:07 | 0:53:11 | |
and it's like, we're not the first to get took. | 0:53:11 | 0:53:14 | |
# Straight Outta Compton | 0:53:14 | 0:53:16 | |
# It's a crazy brother named Ice Cube | 0:53:16 | 0:53:18 | |
# From the stupid dope gang with an attitude... # | 0:53:18 | 0:53:20 | |
Straight Outta Compton debuted Billboard pop chart, | 0:53:20 | 0:53:24 | |
so this is not a rap chart. | 0:53:24 | 0:53:26 | |
It was the biggest thing of all time, and we all knew it. | 0:53:26 | 0:53:31 | |
All my friends sold a million records. | 0:53:31 | 0:53:34 | |
Can you say all your friends sold a million anything? | 0:53:35 | 0:53:38 | |
'Yo, man, that's a lot of brothers out there flaking and perpetrating | 0:53:40 | 0:53:43 | |
'but scared to kick reality.' | 0:53:43 | 0:53:45 | |
In '87... | 0:53:45 | 0:53:47 | |
'Oh, yeah, right about now...' | 0:53:47 | 0:53:48 | |
..NWA were just a collection of South Central neighbourhood rappers. | 0:53:50 | 0:53:55 | |
Right before I joined a group, I didn't have a job. | 0:53:55 | 0:53:58 | |
You know, I was 17, | 0:53:58 | 0:54:00 | |
contemplating going into the army at the beginner stages, | 0:54:00 | 0:54:05 | |
trying to make it. I was like the best. | 0:54:05 | 0:54:07 | |
At that time, we didn't know we were going to blow up. | 0:54:09 | 0:54:11 | |
We just had dreams to blow up. | 0:54:11 | 0:54:14 | |
# I'm expressing with my full capabilities | 0:54:14 | 0:54:17 | |
# And now I'm living in correctional facilities | 0:54:17 | 0:54:19 | |
# Cos some don't agree with how I do this | 0:54:19 | 0:54:22 | |
# I get straight, meditate like a Buddhist... # | 0:54:22 | 0:54:25 | |
Their potential was spotted by veteran rock manager Jerry Heller. | 0:54:25 | 0:54:29 | |
Jerry engineered their success | 0:54:29 | 0:54:32 | |
by introducing them to a national distributor, | 0:54:32 | 0:54:35 | |
as portrayed in the 2015 film... | 0:54:35 | 0:54:39 | |
Ryan runs Priority Records and he wants to sign you. | 0:54:39 | 0:54:44 | |
What do you say, fellas? Do you want to go and make a record? | 0:54:44 | 0:54:47 | |
-ALL: -Yeah! | 0:54:49 | 0:54:50 | |
But the group's everyday dealings were still with Ruthless Records, | 0:54:52 | 0:54:56 | |
part-owned by Jerry. | 0:54:56 | 0:54:58 | |
There was Priority, | 0:54:58 | 0:54:59 | |
which was the parent company and then there was Ruthless, | 0:54:59 | 0:55:03 | |
which was the subsidiary, but where the artists were. | 0:55:03 | 0:55:06 | |
So they had a distribution deal with Priority. | 0:55:06 | 0:55:09 | |
So the big cheque comes to Priority, cheque goes to... | 0:55:09 | 0:55:11 | |
..Ruthless, cheque goes to everybody else, right? | 0:55:13 | 0:55:16 | |
So, when it got to Ruthless is when it got murky. | 0:55:16 | 0:55:18 | |
You understand what I mean? | 0:55:20 | 0:55:22 | |
Once we started making the music and the music started selling, | 0:55:24 | 0:55:28 | |
that's when we started thinking about | 0:55:28 | 0:55:30 | |
the business aspects of everything. | 0:55:30 | 0:55:32 | |
# All the ladies | 0:55:32 | 0:55:33 | |
-# All the ladies -If you're good to go | 0:55:33 | 0:55:36 | |
# Come on, say, ow... # | 0:55:36 | 0:55:37 | |
And we were selling out arenas at that time. | 0:55:39 | 0:55:42 | |
We hadn't seen any money. | 0:55:42 | 0:55:44 | |
Maybe like a couple of Gs here, a couple of Gs there. | 0:55:44 | 0:55:48 | |
You know, you can't do nothing with that. | 0:55:48 | 0:55:51 | |
# The rules no longer apply... # | 0:55:51 | 0:55:53 | |
The fact that, not only did Jerry Heller manage the group, | 0:55:53 | 0:55:57 | |
his relative was leasing him the cars, | 0:55:57 | 0:56:00 | |
his other relative was leasing him the house, | 0:56:00 | 0:56:02 | |
it was a whole lot of Hellers. | 0:56:02 | 0:56:04 | |
At one time, I tried to hire, like, my own lawyers, my own accountants. | 0:56:04 | 0:56:09 | |
You know, Jerry found out. | 0:56:09 | 0:56:12 | |
Next thing I know, he'd taken them out to dinner, and all that, | 0:56:12 | 0:56:16 | |
trying to get them in his pocket, and I was like, "Man, that sucks." | 0:56:16 | 0:56:19 | |
It was just all messed up over there. | 0:56:19 | 0:56:21 | |
And as a group who wrote their own material, | 0:56:24 | 0:56:27 | |
and for other artists on Ruthless, | 0:56:27 | 0:56:29 | |
there was the question of their publishing. | 0:56:29 | 0:56:33 | |
Straight Outta Compton, we don't own any publishing, nobody in the group, | 0:56:33 | 0:56:36 | |
so we see no publishing from that. | 0:56:36 | 0:56:38 | |
Somebody is seeing it, just not us. | 0:56:40 | 0:56:41 | |
You want to rub it in on me? | 0:56:43 | 0:56:45 | |
The chaos of NWA's deals split the group. | 0:56:46 | 0:56:50 | |
SHOTGUN FIRES | 0:56:51 | 0:56:52 | |
But away from Jerry... | 0:56:52 | 0:56:54 | |
..Ice Cube became a rap superstar and A-List actor. | 0:56:56 | 0:57:02 | |
And Dre changed the face of America, producing Snoop and Eminem. | 0:57:02 | 0:57:07 | |
# Excuse me, my name is... # | 0:57:07 | 0:57:10 | |
And made hundreds of millions from Beats Electronic. | 0:57:10 | 0:57:13 | |
Dre set an alpha example of business-minded independence. | 0:57:17 | 0:57:23 | |
# I baited my whip in the vid like a prick | 0:57:23 | 0:57:25 | |
# Now I'm carless Cold, cold | 0:57:25 | 0:57:27 | |
# Now it's a Uber ting | 0:57:27 | 0:57:28 | |
# I've still got this regardless Cold... # | 0:57:28 | 0:57:30 | |
Nowadays, in a tech-minded world, | 0:57:30 | 0:57:32 | |
urban has multiple cases, from Chance... | 0:57:32 | 0:57:36 | |
..to Skepta, | 0:57:37 | 0:57:39 | |
to Stormzy, of artists rebelling against traditional deals. | 0:57:39 | 0:57:43 | |
Starting with the record deal. | 0:57:47 | 0:57:50 | |
The advice I would give somebody getting a deal today... | 0:57:50 | 0:57:53 | |
Just don't sign a record deal. | 0:57:53 | 0:57:55 | |
Say no. | 0:57:55 | 0:57:56 | |
You don't need to have a record deal. | 0:57:56 | 0:57:59 | |
Labels are in a slight panic. | 0:57:59 | 0:58:01 | |
For a long time, they had a monopoly on presenting music to the public, | 0:58:01 | 0:58:05 | |
and that's no longer the case. | 0:58:05 | 0:58:07 | |
There's only two things that matter in our industry. | 0:58:07 | 0:58:11 | |
It's the artist and the fan. | 0:58:11 | 0:58:13 | |
You can promote yourself. | 0:58:13 | 0:58:15 | |
All these different social media sites. | 0:58:15 | 0:58:17 | |
You could record something today, | 0:58:17 | 0:58:18 | |
put it on the same day and start selling it. | 0:58:18 | 0:58:21 | |
You know, back then, you had to wait to have them pressed, | 0:58:21 | 0:58:24 | |
they had to be shipped. It's a totally different game today. | 0:58:24 | 0:58:27 | |
This is a completely different ball game. | 0:58:27 | 0:58:30 | |
This new approach is all about ownership. | 0:58:32 | 0:58:35 | |
Think about where we've come from. | 0:58:35 | 0:58:38 | |
Little Richard sold his birthright for half a cent a record, | 0:58:38 | 0:58:43 | |
and now you can own your recordings and license them to a label | 0:58:43 | 0:58:47 | |
for distribution, and own your publishing | 0:58:47 | 0:58:50 | |
and get a publisher to collect | 0:58:50 | 0:58:52 | |
royalties for a small cut. | 0:58:52 | 0:58:55 | |
If Stormzy and Chance can do it, | 0:58:55 | 0:58:57 | |
and make big money from live and merchandise, | 0:58:57 | 0:59:01 | |
is this the future? | 0:59:01 | 0:59:03 | |
Could this be the end of the war - | 0:59:04 | 0:59:07 | |
the dawn of the new deal... | 0:59:07 | 0:59:10 | |
or the no deal? | 0:59:10 | 0:59:12 | |
Partnership, not ownership. | 0:59:12 | 0:59:14 |