Sharon Osbourne Presents Rock 'n' Roll's Dodgiest Deals


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For the past 40 years, THIS has been my world.

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Managing Sabbath and Ozzy.

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My dad did it before me,

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and my kids, and now grandkids have grown up with it.

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As long as I've been doing this,

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the story of deals has always been about the artist versus the man.

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You're basically at war with the music biz.

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Ozzy's first solo record deal was with CBS in 1980.

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We signed a really crap deal, and the label threw a listening party.

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Ozzy comes, the man of peace, with two live doves in his pocket.

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But when we get there,

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the people from the record company are less than friendly.

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Ozzy goes to sit on a girl's lap,

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but she freezes and she pushes him away.

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And I don't know why,

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but he takes out the first dove and decides to put it in his mouth

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and bit its head off.

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The record label went nuts.

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Obviously, they were disgusted.

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But at the end of it, they knew who was boss, and it wasn't them.

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My advice to most musicians is don't sign a record deal.

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Somebody taking your money,

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you're not going to want to make music, point-blank.

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Exploit, written into every contract.

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Scary.

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You need a lawyer.

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Royalties... I don't believe they pay ANY royalties.

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The greatest names in our business have suffered

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at the hands of unscrupulous people.

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On the radio, your record was number one...

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..and you're still broke!

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This programme contains some strong language

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Anybody who's anybody in pop has sat down in a boardroom

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and been asked to sign a deal that changes their life -

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be it for records, publishing, concerts, whatever.

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The history of deals

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is like a long-term tug-of-war

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between the artist and the music biz -

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the artist seeking a just reward,

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and the music biz trying to limit the risk of their investment.

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The first deal you usually need to get, just to be heard,

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is a record deal.

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Record deals are in principle one-sided -

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the record label own the recordings and give you a royalty.

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A bit like them owning your house and giving you a cut of the rent.

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And when record deals began back in the '50s, that cut was very small.

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GUITAR PLAYS BLUES

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Specialty, the big label.

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Art Rupe ran Specialty Records.

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He was more like a businessman, strictly businessman.

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# Yeah, people talk about me

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# Call me all outta my name... #

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I'm 99 years old.

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I'll be 100 on September 5.

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A record has a lot of competition, and in order to get attention,

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it's good to have a good intro,

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and I had never heard an introduction to a record

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like Little Richard's.

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He had the bee-bop-a-lupa in there from the beginning.

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-That's my drum.

-HE DRUMS HIS HANDS

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-Kick drum.

-HE IMITATES KICK DRUM

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# Wop bop a loo bop a lop bam boom...! #

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That was my drum. He got that from me.

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Wop bop a loo bop a lop... Kick drum, boom.

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# Tutti frutti, oh rutti

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# Tutti frutti, oh rutti... #

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Oh, it blew my top.

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# Wop bop a loo bop a lop bam boom!

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# I gotta girl... #

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When it was played in New York, we had an immediate reaction.

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We kept all the presses going.

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It sold well over a million records.

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# She walked to the west

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# But she's the girl that I love best... #

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Richie came back from California and said,

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"I got a contract, look,

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"my contract from Specialty Records."

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We all felt good.

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That was a big thing, though, then, to get a contract.

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Our deal was sort of typical.

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He did start out at half a cent to start with,

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of each record sold.

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Half a cent per record is very, very, very, very low.

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Richard's deal saw roughly half of the record's 59 cents

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go to the retailer,

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and after deductions for packaging and breakages

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and Specialty taking their cut,

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he was left with this much as a royalty.

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When he got out then, he talked to Fats Domino

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and people like Chuck Berry

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and all those people. He felt that he was being cheated.

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He had to sell two records to make a penny.

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-The record cost 59 cents, didn't it?

-Yeah.

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There were 58 other pennies going somewhere.

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Oh, boy!

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I will say this, one of the reasons we attracted artists, word got out,

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Rupe at Specialty is not going to pay you much,

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but he'll pay you what he promises.

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HE LAUGHS

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And that got us a lot of artists.

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I slept well at night.

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Meanwhile, back in Blighty,

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record sales from the early '50s to early '60s boomed.

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But record labels weren't generous to artists hungry for a deal.

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EMI's boss found these fresh-faced boys

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were thrilled with a record deal

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not much better than Little Richard's.

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One old penny for every record sold at six shillings and thruppence.

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But there was something The Beatles had

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that gave them a chance to make

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another kind of deal.

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They wrote their OWN songs.

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And like every other wannabe songwriter,

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they headed for the world of publishing.

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So now we're in Denmark Street,

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and this was the publishing hub in London.

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Tin Pan Alley.

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And you see all the stores down here and now they're restaurants

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and different things, a hairdresser.

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They used to sell all the sheet music here

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in these shop fronts,

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and then it was pianos and guitars,

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and all the publishers were above.

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And years ago, my dad had an office here, but it was so long ago,

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I can't remember what number.

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Somehow I think it was 22 Denmark Street.

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And any time you would come down this street,

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it was full of writers, musicians,

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and they used to come up with their songs,

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go up to the publisher's office,

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usually play guitar or a piano that would be in the office,

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sing their songs and they would either sell them or they wouldn't.

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Do you really think that's your song?

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The window up there on the first floor

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was the office of a very famous publisher,

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Dick James Music, and in 1963,

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a very important deal was signed in that office.

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Dick James, in a previous life,

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had sung the theme tune to TV's Robin Hood.

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MUSIC: The Adventures Of Robin Hood by Carl Sigman

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For their first single,

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John and Paul signed their publishing

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to Sir Joseph Lockwood's EMI.

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The competition is absolutely terrific,

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and anyone who thinks that this is an easy business

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should come and have a try.

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And that is exactly what Dick James did.

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He stole a march on EMI.

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He set up a new publishing company with John and Paul

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that saw them not only make royalties from their songwriting,

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but also gave them a chance to part-own their songs...

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MUSIC: Please Please Me by The Beatles

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..something that in that tug-of-war was unheard of.

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When you signed any publishing deal in those days, the publisher,

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not the artist, owned the song forever.

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At that time, all other songwriters were green with envy

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that John and Paul were writing their own songs,

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getting them recorded,

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making money from them and half owning them,

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because they couldn't have deals like that.

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It seemed like the golden deal.

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Lennon and McCartney were gaining ground.

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They already had a royalty from the record deal

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and from their publishing deal,

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they got another slice of royalties.

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And a separate royalty every time

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the song was performed on TV or radio.

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And they weren't the only ones performing their songs.

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# Got a good reason

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# For taking the easy way out

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# He was a day tripper... #

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The job of a music publisher is to get other artists

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to record their songs.

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And I think we were pretty good at that.

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Here it is. Korean-style Beatle music - verses in English,

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chorus in Korean.

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This results in a big increase in the royalties that they could earn.

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Every time any of these songs was played on the radio,

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any time a school orchestra played All My Loving,

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they were in for a share of it.

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# And I'll send all my loving to you

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# All my loving... #

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Within 18 months of its release,

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Yesterday had been covered almost 450 times.

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# Yesterday

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# All my troubles seemed so far away... #

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-That's Yesterday.

-Sounds like a fortnight!

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LAUGHTER

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They had success on a level that had never been imagined possible.

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The Beatles had this vast sum of money

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that was coming in from all angles from their songwriting,

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from their record sales.

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But what that meant was, they had a problem.

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The moment you put your hands on it, the Government goes,

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"And where's my 91%?"

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# Taxman... #

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In bombsite Britain, still rebuilding after the war,

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tax was set at 41% basic rate,

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rising to 91% for high earners.

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# There's one for you

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# 19 for me... #

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But Dick and The Beatles came up with a way of making money tax-free,

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by getting into bed with the original men in suits.

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They floated their company on the stock market,

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and with the proceeds, John and Paul bought grand pop-star mansions.

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And they weren't the only ones splashing out.

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Dick James rather ostentatiously had a Rolls-Royce.

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He moved to nice big offices on New Oxford Street

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above Midland Bank, which was appropriate.

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And I think they looked at it and thought, "Hey, that's our money."

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They were making the Let It Be film.

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And they were a little bit rude to him.

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There was references to him being a pig and fascist.

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My father picked up the phone to Lew Grade and said,

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"Maybe now's the time to sell."

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He, at this point, hadn't discussed it with Lennon or McCartney.

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They were extremely upset

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that they were never given the opportunity of buying it themselves.

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Lew Grade mounted a takeover bid.

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But Paul and John couldn't agree on what to do,

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and sold up to THE fat cat in a suit.

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The golden deal was gone.

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The deal that gave John and Paul ownership of their songs.

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Ownership of pop songs,

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I think people thought would be a very ephemeral source of income

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and a very temporary source of income,

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and, of course, it turned out

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that classic pop songs are worth a fortune.

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You know, I think that would be upsetting for any artist

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to find that something that you felt was entirely yours

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because you'd made it, wasn't yours any more.

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Those songs, like property, would rocket in value.

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And after being snapped up by Michael Jackson and Sony,

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are now worth an estimated £500 million.

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No wonder Paul is still in a tug-of-war to get them back.

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-ARCHIVE:

-'Sir Paul McCartney is taking legal action against Sony

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'as he fights to reclaim ownership of The Beatles' hits...'

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In the early '60s,

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talent like The Beatles were so young and vulnerable,

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they'd often look for a heavyweight in a suit

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to put on their side of the tug-of-war,

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a bulldog style of manager who would take care of business.

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My dad was a manager in the '60s.

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-ARCHIVE:

-'For Don Arden,

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'the recording session is the most testing moment...'

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He was very strong.

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He would fight tooth and nail for what he believed in -

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many occasions physically fighting with people

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over his artist.

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He was larger than life.

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'I think everybody wants to make money.

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'If I've ever exploited anybody, it's for their own benefit.'

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The Small Faces came into my dad's office.

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They were lovable, naughty little boys.

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He loved them, loved their personalities.

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He's a fantastic guy to meet.

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He offered us a deal. He said,

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"We'll give you a wage of £20 a week each,

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"or you can have a royalty."

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So we said, "Hold on a minute.

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"So the first thing is, we're just going to go out of the room

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"and have a little chat, see what we want to do."

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So we went out of the room, come back in and said, "We want both."

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HE LAUGHS

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Who could it be but... The Small Faces?

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They were so fresh and so different from everything else at that time.

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# Girl, hold my hand... #

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My dad knew that this band were going to break huge.

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He just knew.

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# I've been waiting for a long, long time

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# Think everything's gonna turn out fine

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# Hey, hey!

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# It's all right... #

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This was a real personal management deal.

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My dad was betting on them being huge,

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and started out laying money on the band,

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thinking he would get it back

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from record and publishing contracts and concert fees.

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Everything went through his office.

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So he would find them songs, he would find the producer,

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he got them signed.

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He moved them all to London,

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put them in a house together so they all lived together.

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# Wouldn't it be nice

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# To get on with me neighbours? #

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He said, "I think you should all live together

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"so you can write songs and stuff like that,"

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so we rented a house in Pimlico.

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Next door was Honor Blackman,

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and she was great, because we all loved her,

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cos we were always giving her wolf whistles

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and saying how much we fancied her.

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But I didn't realise at the time she was as old as my mum.

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# Lazy Sunday afternoon

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# I've got no mind to worry

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# I close my eyes and drift away... #

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Whatever they needed came through my dad's office.

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He did everything from arranging payment for their clothes

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to their hairdresser, they were driven everywhere,

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to getting their clothes dry cleaned.

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There was only three shops in Carnaby Street.

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Because they wanted us to look good, we wanted to look good as well,

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he got us an account in each three shops.

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One was Toppers, one was John Stephen

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and another one was called Lord John.

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# I thought you'd listen to my reason... #

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Don Arden, he worked us very hard.

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Sometimes we'd do three gigs in one day, like, we'd play, like, Leeds,

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Manchester and then Liverpool.

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# Try to make you see

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# How it's got to be...

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# Yes, it's all right... #

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Then we had a number one.

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We kept saying, "Don, where's all our money?"

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Because he never paid us any royalties.

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And he said, "Well, I'm looking after it, don't worry about it.

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"I've opened up a bank account for you,

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"and I'll make sure it's all right,

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"I'll look after it for you."

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And he certainly did look after it - for himself.

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It don't take the Brain of Britain

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to work out that you've done so many gigs at X amount,

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we would ask Don, "Where's the rest of the money, then?"

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Cos we knew there was got to be more.

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You know, because renting a flat in those days wasn't that expensive.

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Hey, Steve. What are you going to do about it?

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Their PARENTS came into the office.

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# I want you to know that I love you, baby

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# Want you to know that I care... #

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The parents were like, "OK, my son's famous, where's the money?"

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Don Arden said, "They've spent it all."

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And they said, "What have they spent it on, then?"

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They said, "Well, they were all on drugs,

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"like, heroin and stuff like that."

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That would take your mind off money, wouldn't it?

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And, of course, all our parents were very concerned

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that we were all on drugs, which we weren't.

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I mean, we were, but not to the extent

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that Don Arden was talking about.

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Once the band are pissed off with you,

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AND the parents, you've got no chance.

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So The Small Faces told my father

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that they were approached by another manager, Robert Stigwood.

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Now, we are in Robert Stigwood's old offices now.

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So my father came up here

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to have a conversation about this situation with Mr Stigwood.

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The conversation didn't really end well,

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because at the end of the conversation,

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my father dangled Mr Stigwood

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out of this window here.

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-ARCHIVE:

-'Now, this is the story of The Animals

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'and the rock and roll scene in general.

0:19:420:19:45

'They made some records that enabled them to travel far...'

0:19:450:19:48

Don Arden was The Animals' booking agent.

0:19:490:19:53

Tough, threatening, fierce,

0:19:530:19:57

demanding.

0:19:570:19:59

Not a bad guy, apart from that.

0:19:590:20:00

My dad was only the booking agent.

0:20:050:20:08

The band's manager was Mike Jeffery, owner of Newcastle's Club A' Gogo,

0:20:080:20:14

who came up with a classic ploy of management,

0:20:140:20:17

the offshore bank account -

0:20:170:20:20

just as the band found fame with a folk song from the Deep South.

0:20:200:20:25

# There is a house in New Orleans

0:20:250:20:31

# They call the Rising Sun... #

0:20:310:20:35

I'd bought the record and I passed it around to the band

0:20:350:20:39

and said, "Learn this.

0:20:390:20:41

"And let's do it."

0:20:410:20:43

I always believed in it.

0:20:430:20:45

I mean, as soon as I heard this song,

0:20:450:20:47

I knew that if we did an electric version of it,

0:20:470:20:50

it would be mega.

0:20:500:20:52

# There is a house in New Orleans

0:20:540:20:59

# They call the Rising Sun

0:21:000:21:04

# And it's been the ruin of many of a poor boy

0:21:060:21:11

# And God, I know I'm one... #

0:21:130:21:17

I think that we were all led to believe

0:21:170:21:21

that if you put your signature on something...

0:21:210:21:25

..even if it's a scrap of toilet paper...

0:21:260:21:29

..it can constitute a contract.

0:21:300:21:33

Michael Jeffery, businessman,

0:21:350:21:38

as he pretended to be, said,

0:21:380:21:40

"Look, there's no time to get a contract together."

0:21:400:21:43

"And the money's coming in, quickly and hot and fast.

0:21:430:21:47

"You've got the biggest selling record in the universe.

0:21:470:21:50

"Until we can get a contract signed,

0:21:500:21:52

"we'll take a 45 rpm copy, and we'll sign it with a Magic Marker.

0:21:520:21:59

"And that will constitute...

0:22:000:22:01

"a contract between us."

0:22:020:22:05

It seemed to be the track to follow.

0:22:060:22:09

We didn't know it was the road to hell.

0:22:100:22:13

So we went for it.

0:22:150:22:16

# Some old piece of rag

0:22:180:22:20

# That's all faded and blue

0:22:210:22:24

# Like some old piece of rag

0:22:240:22:28

# That's all I am to you... #

0:22:280:22:30

Mike Jeffery, and his choice of creative accounting in London,

0:22:320:22:36

they formed a publishing deal to be administered out of the Bahamas,

0:22:360:22:42

where the money couldn't be touched.

0:22:420:22:44

The story was, they would set up this Bahamian bank account,

0:22:440:22:48

we'll call it Yameta.

0:22:480:22:50

"And when the touring's over, you can go make your movie, Eric,

0:22:500:22:56

"because you'll have, like, 1 million to fling around.

0:22:560:23:00

"At least. You know, the money's pouring in."

0:23:000:23:03

So I went along with that.

0:23:030:23:05

I always wanted to make a film.

0:23:050:23:08

# And I know you want to destroy

0:23:080:23:10

# And that's all I am to you... #

0:23:100:23:12

And then I met this lawyer, who said to me...

0:23:120:23:14

"What about the money from The Animals?

0:23:160:23:18

"The Rising Sun?"

0:23:180:23:21

He said, "It's about 4 million."

0:23:210:23:23

"Well, it's in the bank account in the Bahamas.

0:23:250:23:28

"That's what I was told."

0:23:280:23:30

So I went down there and the bank...

0:23:300:23:33

..wasn't there. It had disappeared.

0:23:340:23:37

It was no longer a building.

0:23:370:23:39

Or it never HAD been a building.

0:23:390:23:41

# Oh, Mother, tell your children... #

0:23:410:23:45

I certainly found my head spinning.

0:23:450:23:48

# Not to do what I have done... #

0:23:480:23:52

It led me to deep depression.

0:23:520:23:57

# Spend your lives in sin and misery

0:23:570:24:00

# In the House of the Rising Sun. #

0:24:000:24:04

I'm alive.

0:24:040:24:05

I'm alive. I walk into people's offices

0:24:070:24:09

that I haven't seen for years

0:24:090:24:11

and they go, "Man, you're still alive?!"

0:24:110:24:15

Yes.

0:24:170:24:18

I'm still alive.

0:24:180:24:19

By the end of the '60s...

0:24:280:24:30

-ARCHIVE:

-'In Elysian Park, Los Angeles,

0:24:300:24:33

'these are the hippies who've opted out of American society

0:24:330:24:37

'and have chosen to live by their own rules...'

0:24:370:24:39

..the music business changed.

0:24:420:24:45

I was hanging out with Hendrix.

0:24:450:24:46

It was not about the money, it was about creation.

0:24:460:24:50

People in the '60s,

0:24:500:24:52

the hippy flower child consciousness or just wanting to just...

0:24:520:24:55

..groove, right?

0:24:570:24:59

The music belonged to everyone.

0:24:590:25:00

A lot of people felt that way.

0:25:000:25:02

I saw every band I loved at love-ins.

0:25:040:25:08

They played for free.

0:25:080:25:10

They would just, you know, dance and groove.

0:25:100:25:14

# Well, I stand up next to a mountain

0:25:140:25:17

# And I chop it down with the edge of my hand... #

0:25:170:25:20

But soon a certain breed of operator

0:25:200:25:22

moved in to make money on the hippy culture.

0:25:220:25:24

And a tug-of-war started between bands and promoters

0:25:270:25:31

who liked to keep musicians in their place.

0:25:310:25:34

Out of the ticket price, they would deduct overheads like venue hire,

0:25:350:25:40

security, equipment, and the rest was split,

0:25:400:25:43

up to 65-35 between artist and promoter.

0:25:430:25:48

But promoters were renowned for inventing overheads

0:25:490:25:53

and finding other ways of increasing their profits.

0:25:530:25:56

One man confronted these promoters head-on,

0:25:570:26:00

and changed the world of live performance forever...

0:26:000:26:03

..the enormous Peter Grant.

0:26:040:26:07

I went to his house once.

0:26:090:26:10

"Let's go out onto the balcony and we'll get a machine gun

0:26:110:26:15

"and shoot bottles in the moat."

0:26:150:26:16

HE IMITATES MACHINE GUN

0:26:200:26:22

Yeah, that was great.

0:26:220:26:23

He was rock and roll.

0:26:230:26:24

-ARCHIVE:

-'What does Led Zeppelin manager Peter Grant do

0:26:240:26:27

'when he finds bootleg recordings of HIS group?'

0:26:270:26:29

I personally go and confiscate the records.

0:26:290:26:32

-And how do you do that?

-I just walk in and take them.

0:26:320:26:35

Do some of the groups employ heavies, to er...?

0:26:350:26:38

They're not going to get anybody heavier than me, are they?

0:26:380:26:42

A lot of times the bands or the singers, you know, pop singers,

0:26:450:26:48

they'd never even see their managers.

0:26:480:26:49

We travelled with them.

0:26:490:26:51

He was with them all the time.

0:26:510:26:53

Very few managers did that.

0:26:530:26:55

Peter Grant was out for his band.

0:26:550:26:56

Don't fucking talk to me. It's my bloody act.

0:26:560:26:59

He just had a way of dealing with people.

0:26:590:27:01

-HE IMITATES HIM:

-"He'd speak, you know, a little bit like this, see.

0:27:010:27:05

"And YOU...had better do what I'm telling you."

0:27:050:27:08

I'm sure that a lot of people watching this

0:27:130:27:14

have seen the Led Zeppelin film...

0:27:140:27:16

It doesn't matter, so long as there's an extra nickel

0:27:160:27:19

to be drained, by exploiting Led Zeppelin, it's great.

0:27:190:27:22

Promoters were always his pet hate.

0:27:220:27:25

That happened more or less every day.

0:27:250:27:27

You rented it. You rented it and you control it.

0:27:290:27:32

It isn't selling fucking pirate posters.

0:27:320:27:35

# Ah...

0:27:350:27:38

# We come from the land of the ice and snow

0:27:390:27:41

# From the midnight sun where the hot springs flow

0:27:410:27:44

# How soft your fields so green... #

0:27:440:27:47

I recall one incident in Chicago.

0:27:470:27:50

We were doing a club.

0:27:500:27:52

And I think the ticket price was 7.

0:27:520:27:55

And a roadie had spotted the promoter

0:27:550:27:58

outside one of the side doors

0:27:580:28:01

letting kids in, and just taking the money.

0:28:010:28:04

Peter Grant got in the back of the queue.

0:28:040:28:06

He didn't notice it was Peter Grant in the queue

0:28:060:28:09

until he saw these Zuni Indian rings

0:28:090:28:11

that he used to have on his fingers.

0:28:110:28:13

And I'll never forget, Peter said,

0:28:130:28:15

"I'll have that, thank you very much,"

0:28:150:28:17

and snatched the bag off the guy's hand,

0:28:170:28:20

but he was there defending his artists.

0:28:200:28:23

# To find a queen without a king.

0:28:250:28:27

# They say she plays guitar and cries and sings...#

0:28:270:28:33

Good evening. It really was the biggest crowd

0:28:340:28:37

ever assembled for a single performance

0:28:370:28:39

in one place in the entire history of the world.

0:28:390:28:43

The name of the group, Led Zeppelin.

0:28:430:28:46

Audiences grew so massively.

0:28:460:28:48

I mean, back then, even playing an arena was remarkable.

0:28:480:28:50

I think Peter Grant was one of the first people

0:28:520:28:54

to realise that the artist had a lot more power

0:28:540:28:56

than had previously been recognised.

0:28:560:28:58

You didn't have to do what promoters said.

0:28:580:29:00

You didn't have to give them 50%.

0:29:000:29:02

You could say, "No, we don't need you.

0:29:020:29:04

"We'll give you a lot less and get away with it."

0:29:040:29:06

And he did.

0:29:060:29:07

So they said, "OK, you can give us 90% of the net income."

0:29:080:29:12

Astonished a lot of people, but that was their deal.

0:29:120:29:16

If you wanted to book Led Zeppelin, that's what you had to pay.

0:29:160:29:19

And eventually, that became the model.

0:29:190:29:22

Zeppelin's '73 tour of America was the first to go stadium scale.

0:29:240:29:29

It grossed 4 million, 22 million in today's money.

0:29:290:29:34

# Been dazed and confused for so long, it's not true... #

0:29:340:29:40

But you can bet they fought for every penny

0:29:400:29:44

and Grant questioned every dodgy scam.

0:29:440:29:48

Cos seven years later, me and Ozzy

0:29:480:29:51

were still dealing with the same people.

0:29:510:29:54

It was Ozzy's solo tour of America.

0:29:540:29:57

And the first six weeks sold out the first day they all went on sale.

0:29:580:30:03

As Ozzy would go on stage, I would then go and sit with the promoter

0:30:060:30:10

at the box office and do the accounts for that show.

0:30:100:30:14

And I'm handed six weeks of advertising bills.

0:30:140:30:18

We sold out the first day,

0:30:180:30:20

so you wouldn't have taken six weeks of advertising.

0:30:200:30:23

These bills aren't mine.

0:30:230:30:26

# I know that things are going wrong for me... #

0:30:260:30:31

In those days, everything was cash.

0:30:320:30:35

So he's holding 50,000 back from us,

0:30:350:30:38

charging us for this advertising that he never took.

0:30:380:30:41

He wasn't going to give me a break.

0:30:410:30:43

He gets up to leave,

0:30:460:30:48

and I get up and then I kick him in the crotch.

0:30:480:30:52

And then I grabbed hold of his ear.

0:30:540:30:57

He didn't have hair, so I couldn't pull his hair,

0:30:570:30:59

so I grabbed hold of his ear,

0:30:590:31:01

and I kept kicking him in the crotch,

0:31:010:31:04

and he couldn't believe what I was doing.

0:31:040:31:06

You like going crazy, huh?

0:31:070:31:09

But I was so infuriated at the way he was treating me,

0:31:090:31:14

like I was some idiot and I didn't know that I was being fucked.

0:31:140:31:19

It's like, "Are you stupid?!"

0:31:190:31:20

By the late '70s, the industry was making BIG money out of rock.

0:31:280:31:33

Record labels gave large advance payments

0:31:340:31:37

to rock bands in record deals,

0:31:370:31:40

although in tug-of-war tradition,

0:31:400:31:42

they'd take it all back out of the band's royalties.

0:31:420:31:45

There was an established order.

0:31:470:31:49

Until...

0:31:500:31:52

-Complacent and apathetic old

-BLEEP.

0:31:520:31:55

And many labels refused to invest in the style of music

0:31:570:32:01

openly hostile to the industry.

0:32:010:32:04

What about bands like Rod Stewart?

0:32:040:32:06

-He's an old

-BLEEP.

0:32:060:32:08

So punk came up with its own version of a record deal...

0:32:080:32:11

..starting with the Buzzcocks

0:32:160:32:18

borrowing money from friends and family

0:32:180:32:21

to press their first single, and selling it straight to record shops.

0:32:210:32:26

Of course, making your own records was very successful,

0:32:260:32:28

because apart from the pressing costs,

0:32:280:32:30

you wrote the records, so you didn't have to pay

0:32:300:32:33

any publishing royalties, apart from to yourself.

0:32:330:32:35

You got all the money.

0:32:350:32:36

I think it sold 17,000 copies, in the end, over six months.

0:32:390:32:43

It never got in the charts, but the impact it made was huge.

0:32:430:32:47

It inspired so many other acts to do the same.

0:32:470:32:49

OK, we are at Sunset Strip,

0:32:530:32:57

and we are at the part of the Strip that is legendary for rock music.

0:32:570:33:02

Down here, we have the Rainbow Bar and Grill, the Roxy,

0:33:020:33:07

and right behind me here, we have the Whisky.

0:33:070:33:10

So many legendary bands, especially from England, played here,

0:33:100:33:14

and I've seen everybody from Zeppelin to Deep Purple,

0:33:140:33:19

Black Sabbath's first gig in LA.

0:33:190:33:22

And in March '79, a new wave band made their debut at the Whisky,

0:33:220:33:28

a trio who had a very different attitude to deals

0:33:280:33:32

and how to make it.

0:33:320:33:33

Going back to the days of The Police,

0:33:350:33:37

there was really not a lot of activity

0:33:370:33:39

from the major record companies to sign

0:33:390:33:41

what they called punk bands at the time.

0:33:410:33:43

I had nothing I could sell the group on.

0:33:460:33:48

I couldn't show they were selling out concerts.

0:33:480:33:51

Anything really that would be positive for a record company

0:33:510:33:53

that would substantiate a large advance.

0:33:530:33:56

So, I said to my brother, "Let's record an album,"

0:33:590:34:02

so he immediately called Sting and says, "Good news,

0:34:020:34:05

"we're going to record an album."

0:34:050:34:06

And I, as it happened, found a studio run by a doctor.

0:34:060:34:10

There was a good doctor, out there in Surrey somewhere,

0:34:100:34:13

who just got an idea that he wanted to be, to record music.

0:34:130:34:17

And he had an ongoing practice as a doctor

0:34:170:34:20

and he was kind of doing this as a hobby.

0:34:200:34:22

And he had made a deal that would mean...

0:34:220:34:24

He said, "Look, for £1,000 I'll record

0:34:240:34:27

"whatever you bring me for a month."

0:34:270:34:29

After one month, I went into the studio, listened to it,

0:34:290:34:31

I wasn't that impressed.

0:34:310:34:32

You know, we played him all the stuff that we thought he'd like.

0:34:350:34:38

The stuff that goes, "Yeah, yeah, yeah."

0:34:380:34:41

I said, "OK, guys, I mean...

0:34:410:34:42

"It's OK, but what else have you got?"

0:34:440:34:46

The engineer said, "Well, there is this one other song."

0:34:460:34:49

And the group said "No, no, no, don't play him that, he'll hate it.

0:34:490:34:51

"It's a ballad, you're going to hate it."

0:34:510:34:53

It was low tempo.

0:34:530:34:54

We were supposed to be an up-tempo, aggressive,

0:34:540:34:57

angry band and here was this kind of...

0:34:570:34:58

-..sad song.

-Finally the engineer just stuck the song on.

0:34:590:35:03

It was Roxanne. And I'm hearing this song and I'm thinking...

0:35:040:35:08

"Man, that's a game changer."

0:35:080:35:10

And I looked at the group and I said, "You guys have done a classic,

0:35:100:35:12

"it's a game changer." They all looked at me, like, shocked.

0:35:120:35:15

"What?! You like that?!"

0:35:150:35:16

I said, I said, "That's going to change everything.

0:35:160:35:19

"That's bigger than me."

0:35:190:35:20

And that prompted me to go into EMI Records the next day.

0:35:200:35:23

# Roxanne, you don't have to put on the red light... #

0:35:230:35:29

So I basically made an offer that they couldn't refuse...

0:35:300:35:33

# You don't have to sell your body to the night... #

0:35:330:35:36

..which was "I'm going to give the band to you for free."

0:35:360:35:40

No risk.

0:35:400:35:41

But I want your highest royalty.

0:35:430:35:45

# Walk the streets for money

0:35:450:35:48

# You don't care if it's wrong or if it's right

0:35:480:35:52

# Roxanne... #

0:35:520:35:54

It wasn't like, "Give us money and we will record an album

0:35:540:35:57

"and buy a house."

0:35:570:35:58

It was just, "Give us...

0:35:580:35:59

"We already got the album.

0:35:590:36:01

"Just give us royalties."

0:36:010:36:02

And we asked less from them,

0:36:040:36:06

and we also demanded that they take less from us.

0:36:060:36:10

So from a record company standpoint, this was, well,

0:36:120:36:15

"What have we got to lose?"

0:36:150:36:16

18% was considered high.

0:36:160:36:19

"If they don't sell, I don't have to pay a high royalty, anyway.

0:36:200:36:23

"How bad could that be?"

0:36:230:36:25

So the deal was an easy yes.

0:36:250:36:28

So we get back to England and we had a tour,

0:36:310:36:33

but supporting Alberto y Los Trios Paranoias

0:36:330:36:37

who were like a comedy group of the day.

0:36:370:36:39

First night of the tour, the manager is telling our manager,

0:36:420:36:45

"Oh, we should have charged you money to be on this tour.

0:36:450:36:48

"The whole tour is sold-out.

0:36:480:36:49

"Best tour we've ever had.

0:36:490:36:50

"You know, we should charge you money to be on this."

0:36:500:36:53

Well, it was soon revealed who sold that tour out.

0:36:530:36:56

We get on stage and...

0:36:560:36:57

-CHEERING

-It's time...FOR THE POLICE.

0:36:580:37:02

# So lonely

0:37:020:37:03

# So lonely

0:37:030:37:05

# So lonely... #

0:37:050:37:07

You know, teeny bop. We started out as a boy band.

0:37:070:37:09

Take a look at Sting at age 24...

0:37:140:37:16

Kidding me? How could that fail?

0:37:160:37:18

The Police got an 18% slice of that record deal.

0:37:220:37:27

And after their first album sold millions,

0:37:270:37:30

they got bigger slices of the next albums,

0:37:300:37:33

as they re-negotiated the deal.

0:37:330:37:36

And on their publishing,

0:37:370:37:39

they did a deal where, after seven years,

0:37:390:37:42

it all reverted to them.

0:37:420:37:43

They, unlike The Beatles, would own their own publishing.

0:37:450:37:48

And on the road,

0:37:510:37:53

the Police offered another example

0:37:530:37:55

of how bands could stake their financial independence

0:37:550:37:58

from labels and publishers.

0:37:580:38:00

One of the best deals in pop is the merchandise.

0:38:010:38:03

The T-shirt is the best product in show business.

0:38:050:38:08

Way better than the record.

0:38:080:38:10

Records are complicated.

0:38:100:38:11

You've got to record them, to figure out the publishing.

0:38:110:38:13

You've got lawyers. You've got deals.

0:38:130:38:15

You've got a huge corporation that has to market for you.

0:38:150:38:18

T-shirts, if it costs you ten bucks, you get nine out of it.

0:38:180:38:22

It's all money.

0:38:220:38:23

You know, when you play a show that's nice money, too,

0:38:230:38:25

but you've got to have a crew, have a tour,

0:38:250:38:27

you've got an agent. You know, money going everywhere.

0:38:270:38:29

But that T-shirt, you sell T-shirts and it's just all cash money.

0:38:290:38:34

We were playing these stadiums.

0:38:340:38:35

The merch guys are in these one-piece suits with no pockets.

0:38:350:38:39

Cos people are throwing cash at them,

0:38:390:38:41

and they're throwing T-shirts - "Here's 10,

0:38:410:38:44

"there's a T-shirt, here's 20 bucks, there's two shirts..."

0:38:440:38:47

And it was just like...

0:38:470:38:48

And the money's all going into these trash bins.

0:38:480:38:50

And so when we'd leave the show, the trash bins all...

0:38:500:38:56

You know, they'd tie up the thing and throw them on the plane.

0:38:560:38:59

And so as we fly out,

0:38:590:39:01

we're there, and we empty the bags of cash

0:39:010:39:03

and it was like Ebenezer Scrooge's money, you know,

0:39:030:39:07

it's a green hail and it's just like we're throwing the money around,

0:39:070:39:11

and I've got this on film.

0:39:110:39:13

It's snowing money.

0:39:130:39:14

We're at the merchandising booth,

0:39:250:39:27

and we are at one of the last shows of Black Sabbath at the NEC.

0:39:270:39:32

Merchandising today is so important to every touring band.

0:39:340:39:39

And it's amazing how it has evolved over the years.

0:39:390:39:43

The Beatles were one of the first

0:39:480:39:50

to have a whole range of merchandise,

0:39:500:39:53

although their manufacturers took most of the profit.

0:39:530:39:56

And nowadays, everyone wants a cut of the merchandise.

0:39:580:40:01

One thing is, that when you sell merchandise,

0:40:050:40:08

especially a venue like this,

0:40:080:40:10

the price is higher than what you would buy in a store

0:40:100:40:14

because the venue will charge you anything from 35% commission

0:40:140:40:20

for everything you sell.

0:40:200:40:22

And that's why they're overpriced, but at the same time too,

0:40:220:40:26

the fan wants to get a memento from that gig, that night.

0:40:260:40:31

You will remember where you were,

0:40:310:40:33

what was going on when you bought that shirt.

0:40:330:40:36

The best marketing you can ever have for any artist

0:40:360:40:40

is for people walking around the world,

0:40:400:40:42

wearing your shirt with your name on it.

0:40:420:40:45

There's nothing like it.

0:40:450:40:47

Speaking of advertising,

0:40:510:40:54

for decades, big brands approached songwriters

0:40:540:40:57

with big-money deals to use their music in ads.

0:40:570:41:01

With limited success.

0:41:010:41:03

# Ooh, I bet you're wondering how I knew... #

0:41:030:41:08

The reality of the music business had been,

0:41:080:41:10

it was sort of a standard rule that you don't sell out to the man,

0:41:100:41:15

basically, the big corporations.

0:41:150:41:16

# ..The two of us guys

0:41:160:41:18

# You know I love you more... #

0:41:180:41:20

You saw companies like Levi's would do commercials

0:41:200:41:22

but they were always old, known songs.

0:41:220:41:25

You never saw a new song being used in a commercial.

0:41:250:41:29

And you never saw a credible act

0:41:290:41:31

allowing its music to be used in a commercial sense,

0:41:310:41:35

because people would say, "Oh, you're selling out."

0:41:350:41:38

We were precious about ourselves and the way we saw ourselves as artists.

0:41:380:41:43

And I do remember distinctly that my buddy Stingo

0:41:430:41:47

was offered a lot of money

0:41:470:41:49

from a deodorant company for Don't Stand So Close To Me,

0:41:490:41:52

as you can imagine.

0:41:520:41:54

The synergy there... He said "No."

0:41:540:41:57

But by the late '80s,

0:42:000:42:02

with artists starting to own their own songs,

0:42:020:42:05

some took the money...

0:42:050:42:07

Go ahead.

0:42:070:42:09

Make a wish.

0:42:090:42:10

..as in Madonna's 5-million deal to license

0:42:100:42:14

Like A Prayer for Pepsi.

0:42:140:42:16

# When you call my name

0:42:160:42:18

# It's like a little prayer... #

0:42:180:42:20

But most artists still thought twice.

0:42:200:42:22

On the classic case, Blue Monday, New Order.

0:42:240:42:27

Bernard Sumner had a banner put up in front of him in the studio

0:42:270:42:31

that said "200,000."

0:42:310:42:33

And he had to look at it, to make him sing

0:42:330:42:36

the different line that was the tweak of Blue Monday.

0:42:360:42:38

-MELODY OF BLUE MONDAY:

-# When you're drinking in the sunshine

0:42:380:42:43

# Sunkist is the one... #

0:42:430:42:45

But there was one person who would take music licensing to a new place.

0:42:470:42:53

And he came from the most unlikely corner of the music scene.

0:42:530:42:57

When I was working on the album Play, to all extents and purposes

0:43:010:43:05

my career had kind of come to an end.

0:43:050:43:08

By the end of the '90s, I had sort of become a has-been.

0:43:080:43:11

I thought maybe I would release it,

0:43:110:43:13

it would disappear into obscurity,

0:43:130:43:16

and I would go back to school and get my doctorate in philosophy,

0:43:160:43:20

and go teach community college.

0:43:200:43:22

# Oh Lordy, trouble so hard... #

0:43:220:43:26

I had made the record in my bedroom,

0:43:260:43:28

with a few thousand dollars' worth of equipment.

0:43:280:43:30

And it featured vocals

0:43:300:43:32

from long dead African-American singers.

0:43:320:43:35

# ..Don't nobody know my troubles but God... #

0:43:350:43:39

So it was not a recipe for success.

0:43:390:43:41

Especially...

0:43:410:43:42

It was the late '90s when Limp Bizkit and Britney

0:43:420:43:46

and Backstreet Boys were kings and queens.

0:43:460:43:50

When Play was released, no-one cared.

0:43:500:43:53

I wasn't even getting bad reviews, I was getting no reviews.

0:43:530:43:56

The breakthrough was when Danny Boyle

0:44:000:44:03

licensed the song Porcelain for The Beach...

0:44:030:44:06

You hear that? You hear that?

0:44:060:44:09

That was when it felt like the record

0:44:090:44:11

went from being an obscure failure...

0:44:110:44:14

..to a less obscure failure.

0:44:150:44:17

Like, all of a sudden it was being included

0:44:220:44:24

in all these end of year journalist compilations,

0:44:240:44:27

like Best Of '99, and suddenly,

0:44:270:44:30

it just reached a broader audience.

0:44:300:44:32

Through licensing, Play became successful.

0:44:380:44:40

It was this leapfrogging thing where it would get licensed...

0:44:400:44:44

# You'd better leave that woman alone... #

0:44:440:44:46

..which would help it to reach a bigger audience...

0:44:480:44:51

'It's the place where chocolate comes from.'

0:44:510:44:54

..which would then enable it to get licensed...

0:44:540:44:56

..which enabled it to reach a bigger audience...

0:44:590:45:02

'Lease a new Pathfinder SE for just 369 a month.'

0:45:020:45:05

And then into 2000,

0:45:050:45:07

it suddenly became a number one record around the world,

0:45:070:45:10

ten months after it had been released.

0:45:100:45:12

I became the poster-child whipping-boy for licensing.

0:45:140:45:20

I mean, I remember when I released the follow-up album to Play,

0:45:210:45:24

which was called 18, the NME,

0:45:240:45:26

which has never really been very fond of me,

0:45:260:45:28

didn't review the record,

0:45:280:45:30

they just wrote an article about how terrible I was for licensing music.

0:45:300:45:34

And then it became this almost, like,

0:45:350:45:38

exorcism of, like, comrade Trotsky,

0:45:380:45:40

like erasing me from things.

0:45:400:45:41

It got to the point where I was headlining Glastonbury...

0:45:410:45:44

..and NME didn't mention that I was playing.

0:45:460:45:49

It even had an article, Bald Performers At Glastonbury,

0:45:490:45:54

and I wasn't listed, and I was the headliner on the main stage.

0:45:540:45:57

Because they hated me that much.

0:45:570:45:59

Go!

0:46:020:46:03

It's 2017 now.

0:46:030:46:05

To put it in this context,

0:46:050:46:07

when every musician is bending over backwards to license their music,

0:46:070:46:11

I just had the misfortune of doing it very visibly

0:46:110:46:15

and sort of at the beginning.

0:46:150:46:18

Moby was the first to license all the tracks on one album for ads

0:46:180:46:23

or film, over the years, making an estimated 10 million from licensing.

0:46:230:46:28

And Moby's success came in a decade

0:46:350:46:37

that saw music sales hit an all-time high.

0:46:370:46:40

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

0:46:400:46:42

Have a wonderful night!

0:46:420:46:43

Good night!

0:46:430:46:45

But of course, artists weren't the ones making the really big money.

0:46:450:46:50

The '90s was a boom time for the business,

0:46:500:46:54

and a lot of it was about the rise of this '80s invention,

0:46:540:46:59

which meant you had to buy your favourite albums

0:46:590:47:01

all over again.

0:47:010:47:04

Ka-ching!

0:47:040:47:05

This new long-playing record - all the same songs,

0:47:060:47:09

but a fraction of the size.

0:47:090:47:11

-JOHN CLEESE:

-'Take the new Compact Disc.

0:47:110:47:13

'One hour of Mozart out of a beer mat.'

0:47:130:47:15

Here was an opportunity for record companies

0:47:160:47:18

to actually put the price point wherever they felt like it.

0:47:180:47:22

-ARCHIVE:

-'It's dust-proof, scratch-proof,

0:47:220:47:24

'digitally recorded, read by a laser...'

0:47:240:47:27

I think, at that point, the vinyl album was £7.95.

0:47:270:47:30

But the CD, record companies had started to peg it at around £15,

0:47:300:47:34

on the basis of this being new, shiny technology.

0:47:340:47:37

It is really durable.

0:47:370:47:39

I'm now going to make a digital jam sandwich.

0:47:390:47:42

Who wants to have the first bite?

0:47:420:47:44

-You?

-Me!

-Go on...

0:47:440:47:46

I'm a historian,

0:47:460:47:47

and I go around interviewing people in the music business,

0:47:470:47:49

and I was talking to a senior lawyer from EMI a couple of years ago,

0:47:490:47:53

now retired, who volunteered to me,

0:47:530:47:55

because I wasn't even asking the question,

0:47:550:47:58

that record companies absolutely fleeced the public.

0:47:580:48:01

They were just lining the pockets of record companies.

0:48:010:48:04

There was money like you wouldn't believe.

0:48:040:48:07

The way record executives lived, the amounts of money they were earning,

0:48:090:48:14

the yearly bonuses they were all on, their expense accounts,

0:48:140:48:18

their chauffeurs, the way they travelled, private planes,

0:48:180:48:22

it was a whole different world then,

0:48:220:48:25

and they would all go bidding for a band.

0:48:250:48:28

They'd outbid each other just to see

0:48:280:48:30

who could come up with the most money.

0:48:300:48:32

In those days it was like, "Who's got the biggest dick?"

0:48:320:48:35

And they didn't care whether the artist sold or not,

0:48:350:48:37

it was like, "Well, we beat you." It was personal.

0:48:370:48:41

# What's the frequency, Kenneth?

0:48:410:48:43

# Is your Benzedrine, uh-huh... #

0:48:430:48:46

The '90s saw record companies advance, not tens of thousands,

0:48:460:48:51

but millions to sign big acts.

0:48:510:48:54

Like financial institutions,

0:48:540:48:57

labels were trying to increase the value of their brand,

0:48:570:49:01

even if they were paying more than ever before.

0:49:010:49:04

When a band became successful,

0:49:060:49:07

it was a safer bet to buy a known commodity,

0:49:070:49:10

and pay through the nose for it,

0:49:100:49:11

than it was an unknown commodity,

0:49:110:49:14

because let's not forget that on a good day,

0:49:140:49:16

nine out of ten signings were complete failures,

0:49:160:49:19

and the record company lost all the money.

0:49:190:49:21

# I never understood the frequency... #

0:49:210:49:24

So when you had an act like REM, what a bonanza.

0:49:240:49:28

I can buy this act, I pay the money,

0:49:280:49:30

I can almost bank what's going to happen.

0:49:300:49:33

It's a much safer risk than signing Joe Blow

0:49:330:49:36

who nobody's ever heard of,

0:49:360:49:38

and who has a 90% chance of failure.

0:49:380:49:40

But at the end of the decade,

0:49:410:49:44

something happened that record companies didn't see coming.

0:49:440:49:47

CD sales were already falling.

0:49:470:49:51

It's all because of internet technology called MP3.

0:49:510:49:54

They were getting hit with piracy, and so they were worried.

0:49:540:49:58

Suddenly they realised all that money

0:49:580:50:00

that they invested was going to make artists money

0:50:000:50:04

in other areas, and they weren't sharing it.

0:50:040:50:06

And sales fell.

0:50:070:50:08

In the old tug-of-war,

0:50:080:50:10

record companies started to look at other ways

0:50:100:50:13

of making money out of artists,

0:50:130:50:15

and floated the concept of the 360 deal,

0:50:150:50:19

where labels would take a share of other areas of artist's income.

0:50:190:50:24

You know what a 360 deal is?

0:50:240:50:25

We get a percentage of 360 degrees of what you do.

0:50:250:50:30

So there's only 360 degrees, so we get a percentage of everything.

0:50:300:50:33

So, if I go on the road,

0:50:330:50:35

the record label who actually put my record out,

0:50:350:50:38

that helped me get on the road,

0:50:380:50:39

is now collecting a percentage of my tour royalties.

0:50:390:50:42

That never happened in the past.

0:50:420:50:43

Typically, a record company will expect anything

0:50:430:50:48

from 25% of live revenue,

0:50:480:50:51

for instance, for merchandise.

0:50:510:50:52

Robbie Williams' 2002 deal looked very generous on the label's part.

0:50:530:50:59

What I remember is him walking outside the office here

0:51:010:51:04

and saying something like, "I'm rich beyond my wildest dreams".

0:51:040:51:07

I'm rich, beyond my wildest dreams!

0:51:070:51:11

The deal was reportedly worth 80 million, I think, wasn't it?

0:51:110:51:15

I think that was...

0:51:150:51:16

Somebody fed that out, I've no idea who.

0:51:160:51:19

But EMI's 80 million was offset by them

0:51:190:51:22

getting a share of the live income

0:51:220:51:25

of an artist who was THIS big.

0:51:250:51:27

And, of course, Robbie Williams held the record

0:51:310:51:33

for selling more tickets in a week than anyone.

0:51:330:51:36

I think it was 1.6 million tickets in a week,

0:51:360:51:40

which was pretty stunning.

0:51:400:51:42

# Hell is gone and heaven's here

0:51:430:51:44

# There's nothing left for you to fear

0:51:440:51:47

# Shake your ass, come over here

0:51:470:51:48

# Now scream... #

0:51:480:51:50

The industry has not become more favourable for the artist.

0:51:520:51:57

They developed just another form of ownership.

0:52:010:52:05

And ownership is what the record industry was built on

0:52:050:52:09

back from the '50s on.

0:52:090:52:11

Not much has changed, in other words.

0:52:120:52:14

'You don't have zero problems, big fella.'

0:52:160:52:19

These days, there is a new breed of young musician

0:52:190:52:23

who is beginning to think, "Do I need a deal at all?

0:52:230:52:27

"Do I need all that hassle and heartbreak?

0:52:270:52:30

"I can do this on my own."

0:52:300:52:31

# If one more label try to stop me

0:52:330:52:36

# It's gon' be some dreadhead niggas in ya lobby, huh huh

0:52:360:52:40

# You don't want no problem, want no problem with me, bih...! #

0:52:400:52:44

Chance the Rapper won multiple Grammys this year,

0:52:440:52:47

and yet he has no deal.

0:52:470:52:51

And he isn't the only rapper doing it.

0:52:510:52:54

Rap is pointing the way forward,

0:52:540:52:57

and maybe that is to do with where rap has come from.

0:52:570:53:01

You are now about to witness the strength of street knowledge.

0:53:020:53:06

I've seen a lot of stories about a lot of artists over the years,

0:53:070:53:11

and it's like, we're not the first to get took.

0:53:110:53:14

# Straight Outta Compton

0:53:140:53:16

# It's a crazy brother named Ice Cube

0:53:160:53:18

# From the stupid dope gang with an attitude... #

0:53:180:53:20

Straight Outta Compton debuted Billboard pop chart,

0:53:200:53:24

so this is not a rap chart.

0:53:240:53:26

It was the biggest thing of all time, and we all knew it.

0:53:260:53:31

All my friends sold a million records.

0:53:310:53:34

Can you say all your friends sold a million anything?

0:53:350:53:38

'Yo, man, that's a lot of brothers out there flaking and perpetrating

0:53:400:53:43

'but scared to kick reality.'

0:53:430:53:45

In '87...

0:53:450:53:47

'Oh, yeah, right about now...'

0:53:470:53:48

..NWA were just a collection of South Central neighbourhood rappers.

0:53:500:53:55

Right before I joined a group, I didn't have a job.

0:53:550:53:58

You know, I was 17,

0:53:580:54:00

contemplating going into the army at the beginner stages,

0:54:000:54:05

trying to make it. I was like the best.

0:54:050:54:07

At that time, we didn't know we were going to blow up.

0:54:090:54:11

We just had dreams to blow up.

0:54:110:54:14

# I'm expressing with my full capabilities

0:54:140:54:17

# And now I'm living in correctional facilities

0:54:170:54:19

# Cos some don't agree with how I do this

0:54:190:54:22

# I get straight, meditate like a Buddhist... #

0:54:220:54:25

Their potential was spotted by veteran rock manager Jerry Heller.

0:54:250:54:29

Jerry engineered their success

0:54:290:54:32

by introducing them to a national distributor,

0:54:320:54:35

as portrayed in the 2015 film...

0:54:350:54:39

Ryan runs Priority Records and he wants to sign you.

0:54:390:54:44

What do you say, fellas? Do you want to go and make a record?

0:54:440:54:47

-ALL:

-Yeah!

0:54:490:54:50

But the group's everyday dealings were still with Ruthless Records,

0:54:520:54:56

part-owned by Jerry.

0:54:560:54:58

There was Priority,

0:54:580:54:59

which was the parent company and then there was Ruthless,

0:54:590:55:03

which was the subsidiary, but where the artists were.

0:55:030:55:06

So they had a distribution deal with Priority.

0:55:060:55:09

So the big cheque comes to Priority, cheque goes to...

0:55:090:55:11

..Ruthless, cheque goes to everybody else, right?

0:55:130:55:16

So, when it got to Ruthless is when it got murky.

0:55:160:55:18

You understand what I mean?

0:55:200:55:22

Once we started making the music and the music started selling,

0:55:240:55:28

that's when we started thinking about

0:55:280:55:30

the business aspects of everything.

0:55:300:55:32

# All the ladies

0:55:320:55:33

-# All the ladies

-If you're good to go

0:55:330:55:36

# Come on, say, ow... #

0:55:360:55:37

And we were selling out arenas at that time.

0:55:390:55:42

We hadn't seen any money.

0:55:420:55:44

Maybe like a couple of Gs here, a couple of Gs there.

0:55:440:55:48

You know, you can't do nothing with that.

0:55:480:55:51

# The rules no longer apply... #

0:55:510:55:53

The fact that, not only did Jerry Heller manage the group,

0:55:530:55:57

his relative was leasing him the cars,

0:55:570:56:00

his other relative was leasing him the house,

0:56:000:56:02

it was a whole lot of Hellers.

0:56:020:56:04

At one time, I tried to hire, like, my own lawyers, my own accountants.

0:56:040:56:09

You know, Jerry found out.

0:56:090:56:12

Next thing I know, he'd taken them out to dinner, and all that,

0:56:120:56:16

trying to get them in his pocket, and I was like, "Man, that sucks."

0:56:160:56:19

It was just all messed up over there.

0:56:190:56:21

And as a group who wrote their own material,

0:56:240:56:27

and for other artists on Ruthless,

0:56:270:56:29

there was the question of their publishing.

0:56:290:56:33

Straight Outta Compton, we don't own any publishing, nobody in the group,

0:56:330:56:36

so we see no publishing from that.

0:56:360:56:38

Somebody is seeing it, just not us.

0:56:400:56:41

You want to rub it in on me?

0:56:430:56:45

The chaos of NWA's deals split the group.

0:56:460:56:50

SHOTGUN FIRES

0:56:510:56:52

But away from Jerry...

0:56:520:56:54

..Ice Cube became a rap superstar and A-List actor.

0:56:560:57:02

And Dre changed the face of America, producing Snoop and Eminem.

0:57:020:57:07

# Excuse me, my name is... #

0:57:070:57:10

And made hundreds of millions from Beats Electronic.

0:57:100:57:13

Dre set an alpha example of business-minded independence.

0:57:170:57:23

# I baited my whip in the vid like a prick

0:57:230:57:25

# Now I'm carless Cold, cold

0:57:250:57:27

# Now it's a Uber ting

0:57:270:57:28

# I've still got this regardless Cold... #

0:57:280:57:30

Nowadays, in a tech-minded world,

0:57:300:57:32

urban has multiple cases, from Chance...

0:57:320:57:36

..to Skepta,

0:57:370:57:39

to Stormzy, of artists rebelling against traditional deals.

0:57:390:57:43

Starting with the record deal.

0:57:470:57:50

The advice I would give somebody getting a deal today...

0:57:500:57:53

Just don't sign a record deal.

0:57:530:57:55

Say no.

0:57:550:57:56

You don't need to have a record deal.

0:57:560:57:59

Labels are in a slight panic.

0:57:590:58:01

For a long time, they had a monopoly on presenting music to the public,

0:58:010:58:05

and that's no longer the case.

0:58:050:58:07

There's only two things that matter in our industry.

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It's the artist and the fan.

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You can promote yourself.

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All these different social media sites.

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You could record something today,

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put it on the same day and start selling it.

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You know, back then, you had to wait to have them pressed,

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they had to be shipped. It's a totally different game today.

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This is a completely different ball game.

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This new approach is all about ownership.

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Think about where we've come from.

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Little Richard sold his birthright for half a cent a record,

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and now you can own your recordings and license them to a label

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for distribution, and own your publishing

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and get a publisher to collect

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royalties for a small cut.

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If Stormzy and Chance can do it,

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and make big money from live and merchandise,

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is this the future?

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Could this be the end of the war -

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the dawn of the new deal...

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or the no deal?

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Partnership, not ownership.

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