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ELECTRIC GUITAR PLAYS

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# A long, long time ago

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# I can still remember

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# How that music used to make me smile... #

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Today is February 3rd,

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the day Buddy Holly's plane crashed, and for no particular...

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..we didn't plan it this way, no particular reason,

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we were in the studio looking at this album,

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um,

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which certainly has as its inspiration

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the things that happened on this day to Buddy Holly, The Big Bopper,

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and Ritchie Valens.

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# Bad news on the doorstep... #

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It was something that mattered to me a lot,

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and I kept it inside for years.

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# I can't remember if I cried

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# When I read about his widowed bride

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# But something touched me deep inside

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# The day the music died. #

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An album about America,

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an album about love

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and falling out of love, beautiful songwriting,

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beautiful songs.

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In 1971, when Don McLean came on the scene,

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he spoke about things that no other singer songwriter

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at that time was, I mean,

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no-one else was writing about - Vincent, American Pie.

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We all realised that this was a masterpiece.

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It was a very moving thing.

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We listened to that and we said, "Wow."

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# Starry, starry night

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# Flaming flowers that brightly blaze... #

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American Pie is classic American pop.

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Buddy Holly-influenced,

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but right down the middle of the heart of American pop.

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And he was taking the genre to a new place.

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# And for the first time I'm discovering

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# The things I used to treasure... #

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It's quite a lopsided record,

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because any album which contains two of the biggest, most iconic,

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not just songs, but hit singles of all time.

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And then a number of songs which most people,

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you wouldn't actually know what they were.

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But it is a masterpiece of record production.

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# And I wonder if you know

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# That I never understood

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# That although you said you'd go

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# Until you did I never thought you would. #

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A genius songwriter,

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a man with an amazing voice, amazing musician and amazing songs.

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# Bye-bye, Miss American Pie,

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# Drove my Chevy to the levee

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# But the levee was dry

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# Them good old boys were drinking whisky and rye

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# Singing this'll be the day that I die. #

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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

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Right, here's my voice, starting the song Vincent.

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# Starry, starry night

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# Paint your palette blue and grey... #

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I think I must have sung this 30 or 40 times before the perfect take,

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with my vibrato, my pitch, and everything else,

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they didn't have the machines that would pitch your voice

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and put it in tune.

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They didn't have all this stuff that they do now

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to make lousy singers sound like they can sing.

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You know, the studio was a world of truth.

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You either were good or you weren't.

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It told the truth back to you. Like photography told you the truth.

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Now it's Photoshop.

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I'd read a number of books about Van Gogh in my life,

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but this particular one made me want to write a song about him.

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And then, once that occurred,

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the fun part was, you know, how to do it.

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You know...

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# There once was a painter... #

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You know, you've got to...

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There's a thousand ways to go about this, you know.

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And... So I looked at the Van Gogh painting,

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Starry Night, which is his most famous painting, I guess,

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and tried to get this swirling feeling going with the lyrics.

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# Starry, starry night

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# Flaming flowers that brightly blaze

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# Swirling clouds in violet haze

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# Reflecting Vincent's eyes of China blue

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# Colours changing hue... #

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When I was about 12 years old,

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I was just watching an episode of the Simpsons,

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and Vincent came on one day.

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And I was just like, "Wow, what is that song?"

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I had no interest in music before or anything like that.

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And so I went away and found out what it was,

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and I just couldn't stop playing it for some reason. I don't know why.

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And I didn't even start playing guitar at that point, I think.

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That kind of opened the door for me.

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# Starry, starry night... #

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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

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# Paint your palette blue and grey

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# Look out on a summer's day

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# With eyes that know the darkness in my soul

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# Shadows on the hills

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# Sketch the trees and the daffodils

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# Catch the breeze and the winter chills

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# In colours on the snowy linen land... #

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And that song is written in the form,

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exactly like a popular song of the 1940s would be.

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It's two verses, a bridge, and a verse, with a chorus.

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When we did the album, I felt that Vincent was the diamond.

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I just thought it was just so beautiful, and it is.

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It is just a beautiful song. It's a beautiful poem.

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I was stunned by the beauty of that song.

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You know, by the standards of the day, it wasn't a single.

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It's a masterpiece.

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It deserves to be a hit, but it didn't sound like a hit.

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1971 was the year of Carole King's Tapestry.

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And Neil Young, Harvest.

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We are dealing with a point in time

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where the Beatles have just broken up,

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so we are starting to deal with solo Beatles very slowly.

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You had a series of deaths,

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Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin,

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Jim Morrison of The Doors, Brian Jones.

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James Taylor was very hot, you know,

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and was doing some beautiful work

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with those first two or three records that he made.

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Elton John became a huge star that year.

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And certainly Cat Stevens was emerging,

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and that whole idea of the singer songwriter

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where the performer not only performed the music,

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but also wrote the song and expressed themselves.

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Very folky kinds of music, I think.

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Very acoustic kinds of music.

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That is what I was drawn to,

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and that's where I believe Don came out of.

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I found an album called Bird On A Wire

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which was a Tim Hardin record,

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which was produced by a man named Ed Freeman,

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so I said, "I want Ed Freeman." Because I liked that.

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There was a certain elegant sound. I thought it was elegant.

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Ed Freeman would put a lot of things on a recording,

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and would blend some of those things very subtly.

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The album that changed my life was Rubber Soul,

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and I thought, "You know, OK, all restrictions are off.

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"You can put any instrument on any song and you can get away with it."

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This is what it sounded like when we recorded the whole...

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This is everything we put in the song.

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# Now I understand... #

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There's a harpsichord, there is a piano, there is an oboe,

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four tracks of marimba, strings, there is a harp.

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There is everything but the kitchen sink in there.

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So we recorded all that,

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and then we took it all back out.

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But the thing is, that we had to record all these things

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to find the few things that worked.

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# Now I understand... #

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See, everything about the record is dictated by the guitar.

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I was a guitarist. Um...

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And I was a good guitarist,

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and so I was very, very judgmental

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about other people's guitar playing.

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And I thought Don's finger picking was good.

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But I did not like his rhythm guitar playing.

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It was a big, major thing, you know,

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he was very condescending about my guitar playing.

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I had worked with other musicians at Columbia, and I just, you know,

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took the instrument out of their hands physically.

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Just walked into the studio

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and took the guitar out of their hand

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and said, "OK, you're not playing any more.

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"Go away."

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"We'll get a professional in here." I said, "You're looking at him."

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And that started right off on the wrong foot.

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This is where he fell down terribly as a producer.

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You are there to make things good.

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You know, "That was great, Don, you sang so great. Try one more time."

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You know? "See if we can do this. Everything was great."

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Rather than, "Yeah, I don't like that. That's not good."

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That's how you kill a groove right away.

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I wish I had been more supportive than I was. Um...

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I wish I had known how to deal with

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a delicate artist's ego

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a little bit better than I did.

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I don't think I was very good at doing that.

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There was a lot of artistry that went into this album,

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and a bunch of arguing also,

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but it turned out OK.

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But, see, the thing sounds complete with just the voice and guitar.

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And in my mind, when I hear the record, think about the record,

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it's basically voice and guitar until the bridge,

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when I hear the marimba,

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which was a brilliant idea to have that in there.

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One of the first songs that I played on was Vincent.

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I think we experimented with me playing vibraphone first,

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because I am mainly a vibraphonist.

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I thought that we should try it on marimba.

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The marimba is an ancient instrument, really.

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It is an African instrument, and, you know,

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it has a very, very low register.

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And the bars are made out of rosewood, African rosewood.

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And so it has this, like an ancient sound to it.

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This really beautiful sort of lush...

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# Now I understand

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# What you tried to say to me

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# How you suffered for your sanity

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# And how you tried to set them free

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# They would not listen

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# They did not know how

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# Perhaps they'll listen now... #

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Initially, I wrote an arrangement for strings

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that went through the entire song.

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What I wanted to get into the Vincent song

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and the record was wind, air, circling.

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This kind of, like the air flowing through a window

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when you see the curtains flutter.

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In mixing, Don insisted that we leave the strings out

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until the very end.

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And this was one of our...

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..one of our heated discussions,

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and I have to admit that he was right.

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He was absolutely right.

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It works perfectly that the strings come in at the very end.

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And that's what he did, with those strings at the end.

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It's like the wind suddenly comes through the window.

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You know, that's how I think about it when I hear it.

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You know, I'm singing the last part and it becomes just so beautiful.

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STRINGS PLAY # Now I think I know

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# What you tried to say to me

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# And how you suffered for your sanity

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# And how you tried to set them free

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# They would not listen

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# They're not listening still

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# Perhaps they never will. #

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If you are a good songwriter, every now and then

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you'll come across something that is alive. This is alive.

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For a long, long, time before my father died,

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I was sick at home with asthma.

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I would get this in the spring, I would get it in the fall,

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and I would be home for a month, way behind in school.

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Didn't have a lot of friends.

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Couldn't get along with people. I was used to doing things my own way.

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So I started to fall in love with records and music and radio.

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Because I had a lot of time on my hands when you are sick, you know.

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I think the big thing that happened was the guitar

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and the five-string banjo later on.

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My father basically had a heart attack right in front of me.

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Late at night, like, one in the morning,

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and I had to call the ambulance,

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call the police, and he didn't want me to do that.

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Basically, I took over.

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And he was always a very authoritarian, Scottish,

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you know, he ruled.

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All of a sudden, he said, "Don't call the police."

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I said, "I'm calling the police. I'm calling the ambulance right now."

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You know, I said, "You lay down on the bed." I was in charge.

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15 years old.

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From that point on, I have been in charge.

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And... So he...

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Ha!

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He had a smile.

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He was all wrapped up... He was on his stretcher,

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and they were taking him out.

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He wasn't going to live but a few more hours,

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but he looked up at me and he smiled.

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And he said, "You are a man now."

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HE LAUGHS

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# The grave that they dug him had flowers

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# Gathered from the hillsides in bright summer colours

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# And the brown earth bleached white

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# At the edge of his gravestone

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# He's gone

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# But eternity knows him

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# And it knows what we've done... #

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The Grave was a dream.

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You know, I mean, I had the...

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I, along with millions of other young men,

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I had the war in Vietnam nipping at our heels all through the '60s.

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By 1971, it was absolutely clear that the Vietnam War was a disaster.

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And all America could do was to try

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to get out. As their President said, "Peace with honour."

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Which basically meant we need to extricate ourselves

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without looking too bad about it.

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I just lucked out. I was the only guy to come back on the bus

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that day from New York.

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Everybody else went in the army.

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Because I had this asthma, you know, they kept me away from school

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all those years and doctors' letters,

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and the guy said, "You're out."

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I said, "Huh? What? I'm out?"

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He dreamt about a soldier and his experience at the front line.

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This soldier lost his life.

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A kid that I had gone to high school with,

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a young Irish kid, nice boy, came into the bar that night,

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and said, "Yay, boy, we are going over to Vietnam."

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And he got killed, like, right away.

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# When the wars of our nation did beckon

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# A lad barely 20 did answer the calling

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# Proud of the trust that he placed in our nation

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# He's gone.

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# I'll cover myself with the mud and the earth

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# I'll cover myself

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# I know I'm not brave

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# The earth, the earth

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# The earth is my grave... #

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Now the guitar...

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ACOUSTIC GUITAR PLAYS

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You must have release, you know,

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you have tension and release in music.

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You also have to start quiet in order to get loud.

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That is something I had to learn. You can't be loud all the time.

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If you start quiet, and then you build, you have dynamics.

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The Grave didn't become the anthem for the anti-Vietnam protest.

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The song's time certainly came in 2003.

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George Michael wanted to record that song as a protest

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for the American-led invasion of Iraq.

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He was the only one that did.

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You know, nobody else did anything.

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They had us so completely cowered by that Patriot Act,

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and fearing that if anybody really was vocal and protested,

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they could end up in some, you know,

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maximum security prison, and you would never hear from them again.

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Don phoned me up and he said,

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"Alan, you've got to watch Top Of The Pops tonight.

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"George Michael is going to sing my song, The Grave."

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# But the silence of night was shattered by fire

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# As guns and grenades

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# Blasted sharp through the air

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# One after another his comrades were slaughtered

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# In a morgue of marines

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# Alone, standing there

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# He crouched ever lower

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# Ever lower with fear

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# They can't let me die

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# They can't let me die here

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# I'll cover myself with the mud and the earth

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# I'll cover myself

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# I know I'm not brave

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# The earth, the earth

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# The earth is my grave. #

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Don's always been really impressed by George Michael.

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So The Grave, perhaps one of the smallest songs in reputation

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to begin with on American Pie,

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got its own life, thanks to another major music star.

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When I was 14, I was in love with The Weavers.

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The Weavers were Pete Seeger, Fred Hellerman, and Ronnie Gilbert,

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and Lee Hays.

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The sound of the four of them was just stunning.

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I mean, it was just thrilling to hear.

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One day, I must have been 14, maybe, 15, I said,

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"I wonder if their names are in the phone book."

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I called the operator, you know, in Manhattan Directory, and said,

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"Do you have a number for Fred Hellerman in Manhattan?"

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"Yes, we do."

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And they gave me the number. I called it, you know?

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And one by one, I guess he told The Weavers about me

0:20:410:20:44

and I would call them and got to know them and then

0:20:440:20:48

Erik Darling said, "Why don't you come to the house and we can play?"

0:20:480:20:52

Erik became an influence, helped refine Don's musical style,

0:20:520:20:57

the clarity of his singing and the quality of his guitar playing

0:20:570:21:02

and then, later, he wrote to Pete Seeger and asked him

0:21:020:21:06

why he believes in Communism.

0:21:060:21:08

This immediately grabbed Pete Seeger's attention

0:21:080:21:12

and they struck up a friendship.

0:21:120:21:15

He was very much..."do it yourself and learn about everything".

0:21:150:21:19

So that rubbed off on me, I mean, certainly,

0:21:190:21:21

and it was a tremendous experience.

0:21:210:21:24

You know, I wasn't always in agreement with him politically,

0:21:240:21:27

but I was in agreement with him about the value of human life and

0:21:270:21:33

the value of culture and the value of diversity and the value of love.

0:21:330:21:38

This is something that so many poor people, poor kids, black,

0:21:380:21:44

white, whatever you want to say, in this country have not had

0:21:440:21:48

this realisation that you can do anything.

0:21:480:21:52

They're taught that they're stupid, not worthy.

0:21:520:21:55

They don't realise that they can do anything.

0:21:550:21:59

The only reason I got as far as I did was

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because I was just a powerhouse back in 1969.

0:22:020:22:06

I ended up being in debt for 20,000, which was a lot of money,

0:22:060:22:10

in order to finance the first album, Tapestry,

0:22:100:22:13

and had no solid indication that it was going to come out any place.

0:22:130:22:18

Alan Livingston was the president of the newly-formed

0:22:180:22:23

Media Arts Label.

0:22:230:22:26

Livingston had previously worked as chief executive

0:22:260:22:28

at Capitol Records and he signed Don McLean

0:22:280:22:31

and as an initial advance,

0:22:310:22:34

Don received 25,000 and financing for the production of the album,

0:22:340:22:39

which wiped out his debts and put him

0:22:390:22:42

in a much more comfortable position.

0:22:420:22:45

So I was able to give my mother money every week for three

0:22:450:22:47

years and move her back into the house that she had had to leave

0:22:470:22:51

seven years before.

0:22:510:22:53

I remember listening to his first album and thinking, erm...

0:22:530:22:58

This was quite unusual for a singer-songwriter at that time.

0:22:580:23:02

And I Love You So and Castles In The Air, those were terrific songs.

0:23:020:23:07

But I don't think in any way Don was a household name.

0:23:070:23:11

# And if she asks you why, you can tell her that I told you

0:23:110:23:15

# That I'm tired of castles in the air

0:23:150:23:19

# I've got a dream I want the world to share

0:23:190:23:22

# And castle walls just lead me to despair... #

0:23:220:23:26

I love Nat King Cole, Ella Fitzgerald, and I would try

0:23:260:23:30

to learn to sing some of the slow songs that Sinatra would sing.

0:23:300:23:35

It's not so hard to sing a fast one, you know. Just connect the dots.

0:23:350:23:39

But a slow song, we really

0:23:390:23:41

understand...

0:23:410:23:44

..every millisecond

0:23:440:23:48

of time

0:23:480:23:50

is important.

0:23:500:23:52

And that's a wonderful thing to work on.

0:23:520:23:55

# And I love you so

0:23:550:24:00

# People ask me how

0:24:020:24:06

# How I've lived till now

0:24:060:24:10

# I tell them I don't know... #

0:24:120:24:16

I was always very dark. I'm a dark... I'm a blue person.

0:24:160:24:22

You know, there's just kind of a blue tinge to things, you know.

0:24:220:24:26

And it's really kind of a pointless way to be, you know,

0:24:260:24:31

when you have so much good fortune as I've had,

0:24:310:24:35

and I'm aware of that, but I guess it's the Scottish in me

0:24:350:24:39

or something, I don't know what it is.

0:24:390:24:42

But it's hard to shake.

0:24:420:24:44

You know, I'm always waiting for the other shoe to drop or looking

0:24:440:24:47

around the corner and thinking, "What's going to go wrong?"

0:24:470:24:50

# Yes, I know

0:24:530:24:59

# How loveless life can be

0:24:590:25:04

# The shadows follow me

0:25:060:25:10

# And night won't set me free... #

0:25:100:25:14

And I Love You So went on to be a hit record

0:25:140:25:17

for Perry Como in 1974, and was recorded by Elvis Presley.

0:25:170:25:23

In fact, featured on Elvis Presley's last live album.

0:25:230:25:28

I also got married in 1969.

0:25:280:25:33

I was very needy.

0:25:330:25:36

I needed someone and I really didn't know anything about marriage,

0:25:360:25:42

I didn't know anything about relationships,

0:25:420:25:45

but I was desperately lonely.

0:25:450:25:47

And I married a girl, a very smart girl,

0:25:470:25:52

who was supportive of my music,

0:25:520:25:56

but it wasn't a good marriage.

0:25:560:26:00

# Morning comes and morning goes with no regret

0:26:000:26:05

# And evening brings the memories I can't forget

0:26:070:26:11

# Empty rooms that echo as I climb the stairs

0:26:120:26:17

# Empty clothes that drape and fall on empty chairs... #

0:26:180:26:23

Empty Chairs is the song of someone leaving someone and loneliness,

0:26:240:26:30

and you can't get lonelier than, you know,

0:26:300:26:33

empty clothes hanging on empty chairs.

0:26:330:26:38

Well, Empty Chairs is a sort of distance cousin of Vincent.

0:26:390:26:43

And I never really wrote any song that was similar to another one in

0:26:430:26:46

my whole life, but for some reason, this song came out and it's the same

0:26:460:26:51

thing, two verses, a bridge, and a verse, with a sort of a chorus.

0:26:510:26:57

That's the harpsichord.

0:26:570:26:59

HARPSICHORD PLAYS

0:26:590:27:01

That's neat.

0:27:010:27:03

I like that.

0:27:030:27:06

That's pretty.

0:27:080:27:10

How'd that get left out?!

0:27:100:27:12

And one thing, you know, these records were handmade.

0:27:120:27:15

All records were handmade.

0:27:150:27:17

That is to say a lot of times, we'd have to go and find hands,

0:27:170:27:20

you know, in the studio to pull,

0:27:200:27:23

to push parts up to certain marks that were made on tape,

0:27:230:27:27

at key moments.

0:27:270:27:29

So, all right, raise the strings now, slowly, to that,

0:27:290:27:32

and it was exciting.

0:27:320:27:34

It was my girlfriend who called me on the phone and said,

0:27:340:27:38

"You've got to come to the Troubadour,

0:27:380:27:40

"you've got to see this amazing singer that I love," she said.

0:27:400:27:45

"Named Don McLean."

0:27:450:27:47

And I didn't want to go, I was going through a break-up,

0:27:470:27:52

I just wanted to stay in my apartment, I was 19 years old,

0:27:520:27:56

and reluctantly, I went to see him.

0:27:560:28:01

I had not heard of him before, and sitting in the club,

0:28:010:28:05

I just felt like all of a sudden, he was singing about me and my life,

0:28:050:28:12

especially when he started to sing this particular song.

0:28:120:28:15

The effect that I had and the song had on her caused her to

0:28:150:28:20

include me and the whole experience that she had in this poem.

0:28:200:28:24

What really got to me in the song was,

0:28:240:28:27

"And I wonder if you know that I never understood."

0:28:270:28:32

# And I wonder if you know

0:28:320:28:36

# That I never understood

0:28:380:28:41

# That although you said you'd go

0:28:440:28:48

# Until you did

0:28:480:28:51

# I never thought you would... #

0:28:510:28:54

And so when everybody filtered out of the club,

0:28:560:28:58

my girlfriend as well, I stayed there and I wrote a poem

0:28:580:29:01

on a napkin that was there,

0:29:010:29:04

and that poem became Killing Me Softly.

0:29:040:29:08

And the "him" is Don McLean.

0:29:080:29:11

# I felt all flushed with fever

0:29:120:29:16

# Embarrassed by the crowd

0:29:160:29:19

# I felt he found my letters and read each one out loud

0:29:210:29:27

# I prayed that he would finish

0:29:290:29:33

# But he just kept right on

0:29:330:29:38

# Strumming my pain with his fingers

0:29:380:29:41

# Singing my life with his words

0:29:420:29:45

# Killing me softly with his song

0:29:470:29:50

# Killing me softly with his song

0:29:500:29:54

# Telling my whole life with his words

0:29:540:29:59

# Killing me softly

0:29:590:30:02

# With his song. #

0:30:040:30:07

I remember when I first heard Roberta Flack singing it.

0:30:100:30:13

My version had started to go up the charts

0:30:130:30:16

and then she heard it on an airplane and she loved it, and by the time

0:30:160:30:21

she landed, she had contacted Quincy Jones and Joel Dorn, her producer.

0:30:210:30:26

# Killing me softly with his song

0:30:260:30:30

# Telling my whole life with his words

0:30:300:30:33

# Killing me softly

0:30:330:30:37

# With his song

0:30:370:30:40

# Oh

0:30:420:30:45

# Oh-oh-oh... #

0:30:450:30:49

You could see, mine is a very simple folk song, but hers,

0:30:490:30:54

she added these elements that I never would have imagined,

0:30:540:30:57

and she made it something that I could never have imagined

0:30:570:31:00

the song holding. And yet it did.

0:31:000:31:03

And I think I was so surprised that it resonated with so many people.

0:31:030:31:08

I'm not an entertainer.

0:31:080:31:10

There are aspects of entertainment to what I do

0:31:100:31:13

and I will entertain you, in order to get your attention,

0:31:130:31:16

maybe then to do something else.

0:31:160:31:18

Crossroads, I think, is a masterpiece.

0:31:180:31:23

It's a gorgeous piece of writing.

0:31:230:31:24

Crossroads, when I was playing it, seemed to be repetitive.

0:31:240:31:28

I was going from the G to the E minor to the A minor.

0:31:280:31:31

And then Ed said,

0:31:310:31:33

"We can get this really good piano player to play it,"

0:31:330:31:36

and so they got Warren Bernhardt, a very sensitive player,

0:31:360:31:41

and so Ed created with Warren this track, and then I sang to it.

0:31:410:31:47

Turned out very well.

0:31:470:31:48

When I hear the opening strings, it's still very memorable.

0:31:480:31:54

# I've got nothing on my mind

0:31:540:31:57

# Nothing to remember

0:31:570:32:00

# Nothing to forget... #

0:32:030:32:06

See how beautiful it is.

0:32:060:32:08

# And I know that on the outside... #

0:32:080:32:11

All that stuff I was talking about, dynamics.

0:32:110:32:15

Quiet.

0:32:150:32:17

Loud.

0:32:170:32:18

Very liquid.

0:32:200:32:22

Fluid.

0:32:220:32:23

The melody is just so beautiful that it resonates with me, certainly,

0:32:230:32:28

and I think with a lot of people.

0:32:280:32:30

I think, when music is written in such a beautiful way,

0:32:300:32:34

there's no escaping it, really.

0:32:340:32:36

# So there's no need for turning back

0:32:360:32:40

# Cos all roads lead to where we stand... #

0:32:430:32:46

A lot of Don's music is sad.

0:32:480:32:50

I probably pushed for something -

0:32:500:32:52

do we have anything else that's a little bit more hit-like, please?

0:32:520:32:58

But in the end, you just have to say, well, that's what he writes.

0:32:580:33:03

Everybody Loves Me, Baby, which is about the egotistical,

0:33:030:33:08

rich leader, who everybody is supposed to love,

0:33:080:33:11

except this one person who thinks he's a jerk.

0:33:110:33:15

It was during the Nixonian time period.

0:33:150:33:18

He was a wonderful catalyst for creativity.

0:33:180:33:21

This is Everybody Loves Me, Baby.

0:33:210:33:24

It's the only other upbeat song on the album.

0:33:240:33:26

And we wanted it to sound like a party.

0:33:260:33:29

And so it's a sloppy mess, on purpose.

0:33:290:33:32

-It sounds like this.

-One, two, three, four!

0:33:340:33:38

# Fortune has... #

0:33:440:33:47

What's unusual about this is that we have a track of people,

0:33:470:33:51

I think there must have been a dozen people in the studio,

0:33:510:33:54

just carrying on, having a great drunken time, banging on every

0:33:540:34:00

percussion instrument they could find and yelling and screaming.

0:34:000:34:04

And this is what that track sounds like, solo.

0:34:040:34:06

VARIOUS PERCUSSION

0:34:060:34:11

Everybody Loves Me, Baby, I thought could have been a lot better.

0:34:120:34:15

That was one of the things where I think we dropped the ball.

0:34:150:34:18

Lyrically, it's OK, but I don't like the melody all that much.

0:34:180:34:22

I could have done a better job on that.

0:34:220:34:26

I didn't have the ideas to help the producer, but one thing,

0:34:260:34:31

I would have put voices on the chorus.

0:34:310:34:34

I think that could have made it a very catchy chorus.

0:34:340:34:36

He has got a really playful, acrobatic voice when he likes,

0:34:360:34:41

full of humour and kind of vigour

0:34:410:34:43

and effervescence, and that is to the fore on this song.

0:34:430:34:46

# You're all enslaved My own flag is forever waved by... #

0:34:460:34:50

This must have been a lot of fun to record.

0:34:520:34:55

I don't remember the session, exactly, but listening to

0:34:550:35:01

the multitrack now, I think we must have had a really good time.

0:35:010:35:06

It comes, I think, at a great moment in the album,

0:35:060:35:09

as far as the running order is concerned, when it really needs

0:35:090:35:12

a sort of energy lift and a kind of a humour lift.

0:35:120:35:15

And I would have it as a personal highlight.

0:35:150:35:18

This is the song, Babylon,

0:35:180:35:20

sometimes it's called By The Waters Of Babylon.

0:35:200:35:23

Babylon is an arrangement of Psalm 1:37.

0:35:230:35:28

I maintained a relationship with Lee Hays, who was

0:35:280:35:30

a member of The Weavers and he said, "Oh, hey, sing this song with me.

0:35:300:35:37

"And I'll sing it for you...

0:35:370:35:38

# By the waters... #"

0:35:380:35:42

He started to sing it. And he said, "Now..."

0:35:420:35:45

He sang the whole thing and said,

0:35:450:35:47

"See if you can remember how that goes."

0:35:470:35:49

So I remembered it, then he sang it against me.

0:35:490:35:52

He said, "Imagine a third part to that." So, I thought...

0:35:520:35:56

I heard it right away and I thought, "Oh, that's perfect," you know?

0:35:560:36:00

"And I know what I'll do with it. I'll make up a banjo part."

0:36:000:36:04

And although it's co-credited with Lee Hays,

0:36:040:36:07

in practice, Don McLean made the arrangement,

0:36:070:36:11

and insisted on giving 50% of the royalties from that

0:36:110:36:17

particular song to Lee Hays to thank him

0:36:170:36:21

for all he'd done in supporting his development in the 1960s.

0:36:210:36:26

# We lay down and wept

0:36:260:36:30

# And wept

0:36:300:36:33

# For thee Zion... #

0:36:330:36:36

It was one of the few times where Don actually sang more

0:36:360:36:40

than one part.

0:36:400:36:41

Ed wanted him to enhance it, but he didn't want to have

0:36:410:36:45

professional background singers come in and sing along with him.

0:36:450:36:48

He just wanted to use Don's voice.

0:36:480:36:52

# We lay down and wept

0:36:520:36:55

# And wept

0:36:550:36:57

# For thee Zion... #

0:36:570:37:00

It is a beautifully sung song.

0:37:000:37:02

We underrate how good a singer Don McLean is.

0:37:020:37:05

He has a very clear, beautiful, precise voice, but not a cold voice.

0:37:050:37:11

It's a voice which is, you know, full of feeling and emotion.

0:37:110:37:14

But he heard it and he said, "You sang it wrong." Cos it's...

0:37:140:37:18

# We lay down and wept

0:37:180:37:20

# And wept... #

0:37:200:37:23

I sang... # We lay down and wept... #

0:37:230:37:25

NOTE HIGHER: # And wept. #

0:37:250:37:26

Just a little note change. Instead of... # And wept... #

0:37:260:37:29

It's... # And wept. #

0:37:290:37:31

One note difference. But it makes a big difference.

0:37:310:37:34

BANJO PLAYS This is the banjo part

0:37:340:37:37

that I came up with.

0:37:370:37:40

It's in a funny tuning.

0:37:420:37:43

I think it's a G minor.

0:37:430:37:45

# Waters, the waters of Babylon

0:37:460:37:50

# We lay down and wept

0:37:510:37:55

# And wept... #

0:37:550:37:57

I DID sing it right.

0:37:570:38:00

# We lay down and wept

0:38:000:38:04

# And wept... # Yeah, I sang it wrong.

0:38:040:38:06

Sang it right the first time and wrong the second time.

0:38:060:38:10

That's funny.

0:38:100:38:12

# For thee Zion... #

0:38:150:38:19

So this was like a little finish to the whole album.

0:38:190:38:24

Just a period

0:38:240:38:26

put at the end of this whole experience.

0:38:260:38:28

With Babylon, you could end on a sense of mystery and beauty.

0:38:280:38:32

It kid of leaves it open and it gives you this kind of warm feeling.

0:38:320:38:38

And that's what albums at their best really did is that they take

0:38:380:38:43

you on a sort of an emotional

0:38:430:38:44

and intellectual journey over 40 minutes,

0:38:440:38:48

where it's not just a variety of song,

0:38:480:38:51

but a sort of thread of feeling, which kind of changes and weaves

0:38:510:38:56

around, that where you are at the end of it,

0:38:560:38:59

when you've finished side two of the album is different from where

0:38:590:39:05

you were at the beginning of it,

0:39:050:39:07

when you first put the needle on the beginning of side one.

0:39:070:39:10

# We remember thee

0:39:100:39:14

# Remember thee

0:39:140:39:16

# Remember thee Zion. #

0:39:160:39:20

I had most of the album written without American Pie.

0:39:300:39:35

In fact, they were going to call the album Empty Chairs or

0:39:350:39:40

something like that.

0:39:400:39:42

You know, American Pie hadn't been written.

0:39:420:39:46

But I wasn't happy with that.

0:39:460:39:48

You know, it's not right. I said, "It's not finished yet.

0:39:480:39:50

"I've got more to do. Something else I want to say."

0:39:500:39:53

A really big song I had in me, I knew I had this.

0:39:530:39:56

It's like a pregnancy.

0:39:560:39:59

And I knew it.

0:39:590:40:01

I was in this little gatehouse that I lived in

0:40:010:40:05

in Cold Spring on the Hudson,

0:40:050:40:08

and I shared that house with my first wife.

0:40:080:40:12

It was a happy life, because we had all these singers around and artists

0:40:120:40:15

and there were actors and there were poets

0:40:150:40:18

and there were biographers and there were painters.

0:40:180:40:20

It was a wonderful experience, very rich.

0:40:200:40:22

I just wanted to find this way of talking about America

0:40:220:40:27

that was big and that was dramatic,

0:40:270:40:30

but dramatic in a whole new way.

0:40:300:40:33

What happened to me is I had this little room in this gatehouse,

0:40:330:40:38

and I would sit up there with my guitar

0:40:380:40:40

and I had this old carpeting on the floor.

0:40:400:40:43

And I had a little bed in the corner.

0:40:430:40:47

That seclusion in the gatehouse in that small, rural community

0:40:470:40:52

was just what he needed.

0:40:520:40:55

So I was rocking in my little chair and all of a sudden,

0:40:550:40:58

I went over to the guitar, I had a little tape recorder.

0:40:580:41:02

And I just sang, "A long, long time ago,"

0:41:020:41:05

to this whole thing, right through "the day the music died".

0:41:050:41:08

ACOUSTIC: # A long, long time ago I can still remember how

0:41:100:41:14

# That music used to make me smile

0:41:140:41:17

# And I knew if I had my chance That I could make those people dance

0:41:190:41:23

# And maybe they'd be happy for a while

0:41:230:41:27

# But February made me shiver

0:41:280:41:31

# With every paper I'd deliver

0:41:310:41:34

# Bad news on the doorstep

0:41:340:41:36

# I couldn't take one more step

0:41:360:41:39

# I can't remember if I cried When I read about his widowed bride

0:41:400:41:45

# But something touched me deep inside

0:41:450:41:49

# The day the music died... #

0:41:490:41:54

I said, "Oh, wow, this is really great.

0:41:560:41:58

"I don't know what it is, but it's really neat."

0:41:580:42:00

You know, and it spoke to me, like this was going someplace,

0:42:000:42:04

and I had to figure out where it was going.

0:42:040:42:07

Buddy Holly is the singer-songwriter

0:42:070:42:09

who remains by far the most influential on Don McLean.

0:42:090:42:12

For everything he did. You know, his gifts as a melodist, as a lyricist.

0:42:120:42:17

And as a sort of an outsider,

0:42:170:42:19

a rock star who didn't look like a rock star.

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It was that moment of Don in his mid-20s, harking back to childhood,

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to that moment of innocence,

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before everything got complicated and adult and conflicted.

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A month or two went by, and I just had it,

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and didn't know what to do with it.

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And then I said, "I want it to be a fast song, a rock and roll song."

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So I came up with this crazy chorus.

0:42:440:42:49

"Bye-bye, Miss American Pie, drove my Chevy to the levee,

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"but the levee was dry."

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# Them good ole boys were drinking whisky and rye

0:42:540:43:00

# Singin' this'll be the day that I die

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# This'll be the day that I die... #

0:43:020:43:05

I was in the shower a couple of months later,

0:43:050:43:08

and I got out of the shower all wet,

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and I grabbed paper and I started writing.

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"Did you write the book of love..." I just...

0:43:120:43:15

I just had this...this thing that came to me.

0:43:150:43:19

And then it goes...

0:43:190:43:20

# Did you write the book of love

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# And do you have faith in God above

0:43:260:43:30

# If the Bible tells you so?

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# Now do you believe in rock and roll?

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# Can music save your mortal soul?

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# And can you teach me how to dance real slow? #

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And the four middle verses would be growing dissatisfaction,

0:43:470:43:52

growing anger, growing public unrest, if you will.

0:43:520:43:57

I don't know how to describe it.

0:43:570:43:58

I'd been to the March on Washington.

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They tear-gassed a lot of people.

0:44:020:44:05

There was all that activity all day, but then the tear-gas dispersed

0:44:050:44:09

everybody and the streets were all empty.

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And all that activity and, you know,

0:44:110:44:14

political anger and everything else had been dispersed.

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I think I captured that in my head, and that was the last verse.

0:44:180:44:22

"I met a girl who sang the blues, I asked her for some happy news..."

0:44:220:44:25

She was, like, the only one left.

0:44:250:44:27

Everything else, all this other stuff that had happened

0:44:270:44:29

in the four verses before,

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all this energy and activity had just dispersed,

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and now it was just...the...

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..the end.

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# And in the streets the children screamed

0:44:390:44:42

# The lovers cried, and the poets dreamed

0:44:420:44:46

# But not a word was spoken

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# The church bells all were broken

0:44:490:44:53

# And the three men I admire most

0:44:530:44:56

# The Father, Son and the Holy Ghost

0:44:560:45:00

# They caught the last train for the coast

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# The day the music died

0:45:030:45:09

# And they were singin'

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# Bye-bye, Miss American Pie... #

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It came as a major shock and a major blow

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to hear that Mediarts as a label were going out of business.

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And this immediately threw into jeopardy

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the future of the American Pie project.

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One week, I was without a record company and the next week,

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I was on United Artists,

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which was a terrible record company at the time.

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United Artists took over the business

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and for Don McLean, took over the contract.

0:45:420:45:46

They were not a record label for a young guy like me,

0:45:460:45:49

doing what I was doing.

0:45:490:45:50

But they were trying to remake themselves

0:45:520:45:54

into something much better, which they did.

0:45:540:45:56

United Artists taking over Mediarts was perhaps a stroke of luck,

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but gave Don McLean further momentum

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in his development as a mainstream music star.

0:46:050:46:10

Then there were some practice sessions,

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which I kind of liked how they felt, they felt pretty good.

0:46:130:46:18

Don was not used to working with other musicians,

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so I put him together with a couple of players,

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bass and drums, who were very good players.

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But they were also not slick studio players,

0:46:280:46:33

who had done thousands of sessions.

0:46:330:46:37

Rehearsals consisted of Rob Stoner playing bass,

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Don on acoustic,

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and I think occasionally also Ed on acoustic.

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And me on drums.

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So there was...there was no piano, no guitar, electric guitar.

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The sort of ingredient X which makes it such a stunning record,

0:46:580:47:04

is a piano, by a guy called Paul Griffin,

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who played with Bob Dylan, Dionne Warwick.

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When we were about to record,

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Ed told us that we needn't go into the room yet,

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because he wanted to do a piece with the piano player,

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who'd just showed up.

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He came to me and said, "What am I supposed to do?

0:47:220:47:24

"I don't know how to do... I don't know how to play this."

0:47:240:47:27

I said, "Paul, don't worry about it, you'll figure it out."

0:47:270:47:30

What he did was that he free-associated the, as it were,

0:47:300:47:34

the emotion of the song,

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but also he listened very clearly to the lyrics of the song.

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And, yeah, the song is called American Pie,

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because his piano playing is full of what you might call Americana.

0:47:430:47:47

When he came in and got it,

0:47:470:47:49

he just said, "Man, that was so great." He was pounding the piano.

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But, you know, Ed Freeman found him, thank God.

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It's a music which reaches to the Church, to the backwoods,

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to the honky-tonks, to the Great White Way of Broadway.

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It's all in there.

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When Paul Griffin played the part that he did, it was such a relief

0:48:070:48:11

to me, because finally, I was in the pocket,

0:48:110:48:14

I was in the groove that I wanted.

0:48:140:48:16

I could feel this thing lift up and it was flying,

0:48:160:48:19

like I had imagined it would and how I had heard it in my head.

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WITH PIANO: # Do you believe in rock and roll?

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# Can music save your mortal soul? #

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PIANO AND GUITAR ONLY

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This is just acoustic guitar and Paul playing along.

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And you can hear...this is the kind of miracle that happens in sessions

0:48:440:48:51

that you hope for, but doesn't always happen, obviously.

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The combination just works perfectly,

0:48:550:48:59

and this kind of style that he came up with,

0:48:590:49:02

it's the perfect American Pie piano playing.

0:49:020:49:06

It blew me away, because I had long been a fan of Paul Griffin,

0:49:080:49:13

the pianist.

0:49:130:49:14

He was a great piano player.

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And he shows up and he just plays the hell out of it.

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The piano is the whole game.

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He's all over this thing.

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Very Ray Charles.

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# ..the music died

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# He was singing

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VOCALS ONLY: # Bye-bye, Miss American Pie... #

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In the body of the song, everybody is playing live.

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And there are no splices.

0:49:420:49:46

The rhythm guitar, Don's rhythm guitar, piano, bass, drums,

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electric guitar, they're all playing live.

0:49:500:49:53

There are no splices, there are no overdubs, that's the way it is.

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Now, the beginning of the song, where there's just the piano,

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I think the first verse had 12 splices.

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Don is a free-form kind of performer.

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He doesn't... You can't put a metronome to him.

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So to get the piano and Don, which are both playing in free-form,

0:50:090:50:16

both together perfectly, at the same time,

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we did a few takes and then cut it together

0:50:200:50:25

to make it a single flow.

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Don is a wonderful singer, he was perfectly capable

0:50:280:50:32

of singing it perfectly all the way through the first time.

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If he had wanted to sing it that way, he could have,

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but he didn't want to. He wanted to improvise.

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One of the things that I was doing a lot, when I made American Pie,

0:50:440:50:50

was singing, sort of way out there, sometimes.

0:50:500:50:55

And Ed didn't like that.

0:50:550:50:57

And he was probably right about that.

0:50:570:51:01

VOCAL AND ACOUSTIC GUITAR: # We were singin'

0:51:010:51:04

# Bye-bye, Miss American Pie

0:51:040:51:05

# Drove my Chevy to the levee But the levee was dry

0:51:050:51:09

# And them good old boys were drinkin' whisky and rye

0:51:090:51:12

# Singin' this'll be the day that I di-i-i-i-ie

0:51:120:51:16

# This'll be the day that I die... #

0:51:160:51:19

So I just edited out all his improvisations...er...

0:51:190:51:22

And I think eventually, we sort of arrived at some kind of an agreement

0:51:220:51:28

that that's the way it was going to be done,

0:51:280:51:32

is that he was going to sing it any way he wanted and that was fine,

0:51:320:51:37

and I was going to do anything I wanted to in editing his vocals,

0:51:370:51:41

and that was fine.

0:51:410:51:43

# I was a lonely, teenage broncin' buck

0:51:430:51:46

# With a pink carnation and a pick-up truck

0:51:460:51:49

# But I knew I was out of luck

0:51:490:51:52

# The day the music died... #

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Each time you'd get to the end of "the day the music died",

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that was a different thing that happened that day,

0:52:000:52:02

so that when you got to the chorus, each time, the chorus is enhanced

0:52:020:52:07

by the new information that you've had, by the last verse.

0:52:070:52:12

# And while Lenin read a book on Marx

0:52:120:52:15

# The quartet practised in the park

0:52:150:52:18

# And we sang dirges in the dark

0:52:180:52:21

# The day the music died... #

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And then the next verse does it again, so it builds that way.

0:52:270:52:30

But the group had to play like that also.

0:52:300:52:34

The band had to play and build, and it had to be mixed that way,

0:52:340:52:37

so that it would build. And then it drops down...

0:52:370:52:40

..you know, to this end, which is a dirge,

0:52:400:52:43

it's like, you're standing in an empty street, or standing over,

0:52:430:52:46

you know, someone's gravestone or something

0:52:460:52:49

in some graveyard somewhere quiet,

0:52:490:52:52

thinking about all this stuff that happened.

0:52:520:52:56

So it's a complete, you know, circle.

0:52:560:52:58

When the whole album was finished, I turned to Don's manager and said,

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"That's all very well and good for an album,

0:53:030:53:05

"but what are we going to do for a single?"

0:53:050:53:07

And he said, "Oh, we're going to release American Pie."

0:53:070:53:10

And I said, "You've got to be kidding!"

0:53:100:53:12

There had been long singles before.

0:53:120:53:15

Like A Rolling Stone by Bob Dylan in 1965

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was, I think, about seven minutes long.

0:53:180:53:21

Hey Jude by the Beatles in 1968, much the same.

0:53:210:53:25

It was 8 and a half minutes long, you just don't, not in those days.

0:53:250:53:29

In those days, if you had a record

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that was three minutes and four seconds long,

0:53:310:53:34

you put 2 minutes 57 on the label,

0:53:340:53:36

so that DJs would actually play it,

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because they wouldn't play anything longer than three minutes.

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We had to break it up and put it on two sides of a 45,

0:53:430:53:48

which was an awful idea.

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It was just awful.

0:53:500:53:51

It sort of faded out halfway through the middle of a verse,

0:53:510:53:57

and then reprised on the second side of the 45. It was terrible.

0:53:570:54:02

We actually did get it all on a 45rpm record on one side.

0:54:020:54:09

We did a technical thing called half-speed cutting.

0:54:090:54:15

Then the record company rejected it,

0:54:150:54:17

because the jukeboxes wouldn't play the whole thing -

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they were set to lift the needle out of the record

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at a certain point in time,

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so that the needle wouldn't go into the paper of the record

0:54:260:54:32

and hurt the needle.

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And then, everybody of course went and bought the album,

0:54:340:54:37

so they could hear the song without having to turn the record over.

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I was shocked when it came out and it hit number one instantly.

0:54:410:54:46

The thing about American Pie the single,

0:54:460:54:49

it wasn't just a big hit single, it was a phenomenon.

0:54:490:54:52

I remember in the fall of 1971,

0:54:520:54:54

just the song literally seemed to explode.

0:54:540:54:58

Give people something with tunes and imagination,

0:54:580:55:03

and they will go for it and they will love it.

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American Pie, and American Pie the single specifically,

0:55:050:55:09

propelled him to instant superstardom in 1972.

0:55:090:55:13

Newspapers running stories about the song, about Don McLean.

0:55:130:55:18

Investigative reporters were going out of their way

0:55:180:55:23

to find stories about Don McLean.

0:55:230:55:25

There's stories of them searching his trash, planting women

0:55:250:55:30

in his dressing room - perhaps all the trappings of superstardom.

0:55:300:55:35

If I were to go to a town, I was always on the news,

0:55:350:55:37

I was always on the CBS Evening News.

0:55:370:55:39

I was always... Anything I did was news.

0:55:390:55:41

Um...which was a lot for me to handle.

0:55:410:55:45

When my kids were in grade school, it was part of their English lesson.

0:55:450:55:53

It was actually in the textbooks of the schools in this country.

0:55:530:56:00

The lyrics are fascinating. They are fantastic.

0:56:000:56:03

You know, they are full of sort of culture,

0:56:030:56:05

but also there's a mystery involved. Everybody loves a mystery.

0:56:050:56:07

Who is the jester? What does "eight miles high" mean?

0:56:070:56:12

That particular song was just so historic,

0:56:120:56:15

and all of us, you know,

0:56:150:56:16

paused and wondered what the heck he was talking about.

0:56:160:56:19

We all had our own theories about it.

0:56:190:56:21

And I love that he has never actually said what it was about.

0:56:210:56:24

Don himself has said, "If I actually have to start explaining

0:56:240:56:28

"what a song means, line by line,

0:56:280:56:30

"then it has kind of failed as a song."

0:56:300:56:32

Sometimes just let the mystery resonate, you know?

0:56:320:56:37

American Pie does mean a lot of different things

0:56:370:56:41

to a lot of different people,

0:56:410:56:43

and that's part of the genius of writing what is a hit song.

0:56:430:56:48

You know, people can listen to it and they can get whatever meaning

0:56:480:56:52

out of it they want, whatever suits them.

0:56:520:56:55

The producer Ed Freeman thinks the song told the story

0:56:550:56:59

of America in the 1960s.

0:56:590:57:01

It's like a funeral oration for America

0:57:010:57:05

that allowed the Americans to grieve and to move forward.

0:57:050:57:10

After American Pie came out,

0:57:100:57:13

there was an article about it in Life magazine,

0:57:130:57:17

and two weeks after the article came out,

0:57:170:57:19

there were some letters to the editors about it.

0:57:190:57:22

And one of them came from a woman

0:57:220:57:24

who said that her husband was missing in action in Vietnam,

0:57:240:57:30

-and...

-HIS VOICE BREAKS

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..that she used to cry and feel sorry for herself a lot,

0:57:340:57:39

until she heard the full version of American Pie,

0:57:390:57:44

and it made her realise how much we had all lost.

0:57:440:57:49

And, um...

0:57:500:57:52

I think that says it about as well as I've ever heard it said.

0:57:520:57:57

It's the loss of that innocence,

0:57:570:58:00

and the innocence is what died in 1959, when Buddy Holly died.

0:58:000:58:05

Not the music, as such, but what the music meant to him,

0:58:050:58:11

as a sort of idealised innocence of happiness and joy.

0:58:110:58:17

That went.

0:58:170:58:19

Don wanted to do his version of Sgt Pepper,

0:58:190:58:22

and it was supposed to be a concept album.

0:58:220:58:26

And for the life of me, I didn't understand the concept,

0:58:260:58:30

but then, eventually, I did.

0:58:300:58:34

If you look at the lyrics in the songs, it's all about loss.

0:58:340:58:38

It just really made me feel good, and it was just beautiful.

0:58:380:58:43

It's like a symphony.

0:58:430:58:44

That is where I think he's rated,

0:58:440:58:46

I think he is rated along with the greatest songwriters of all time.

0:58:460:58:50

My songs will be around a long, long time from now.

0:58:500:58:54

Because they already have been around almost 50 years.

0:58:540:58:56

And I've been alive for that, so who knows what will happen when I die?

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# And they were singin', what? #

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AUDIENCE SINGS AND CLAPS ALONG: # Bye-bye, Miss American Pie

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# Drove my Chevy to the levee But the levee was dry

0:59:080:59:13

# And them good old boys were drinking whisky and rye

0:59:130:59:17

# Singing this'll be the day that I di-i-i-ie. #

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