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We experimented on Pet Sounds. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:33 | |
I tried to write something better | 0:00:33 | 0:00:35 | |
than the surf songs and car songs. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:37 | |
It taps into all those feelings that we have as we're growing up | 0:00:37 | 0:00:42 | |
that somehow he's been able to express, musically and lyrically. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:46 | |
# Wouldn't it be nice if we were older | 0:00:46 | 0:00:50 | |
# Then we wouldn't have to wait so long... # | 0:00:50 | 0:00:54 | |
Pet Sounds, to me, is this beautiful marriage of a childlike innocence, | 0:00:54 | 0:00:59 | |
emotional vulnerability and | 0:00:59 | 0:01:01 | |
an adult sort of musical genius. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:04 | |
# I keep looking for a place to fit in | 0:01:04 | 0:01:09 | |
# Where I can speak my mind... # | 0:01:09 | 0:01:14 | |
It was totally different to anything that was going on at that time. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
It was the leader, and everybody followed that. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:20 | |
# I know there's an answer | 0:01:20 | 0:01:24 | |
# I know now but I have to find it by myself... # | 0:01:24 | 0:01:28 | |
Brian was a master of the studio. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:30 | |
No-one was his equal. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
It'll always be somewhere. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:34 | |
As long as you can hear music. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:36 | |
# If you should ever leave me | 0:01:36 | 0:01:40 | |
# Though life would still go on, believe me... # | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
One of the greatest songs I've ever heard. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
That's the genius of it. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:46 | |
People think, "Oh, I can do that." But they can't. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:50 | |
It's something that only Brian could do, you know. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:53 | |
# God only knows what I'd be without you... # | 0:01:53 | 0:01:58 | |
My dad played a lot of music. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
He taught me how to play... | 0:02:07 | 0:02:08 | |
HE PLAYS BOOGIE WOOGIE | 0:02:08 | 0:02:10 | |
That kind of a bass line. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:12 | |
Like boogie-woogie music. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:14 | |
He had a song called His Little Darlin' And You. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:17 | |
# He must return to his queen bee | 0:02:17 | 0:02:22 | |
# for his little darlin' and me... # | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
He wrote that song. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:27 | |
And then he said, "Do you like it? And I said, "I love it!" | 0:02:27 | 0:02:30 | |
He had a father in Murry Wilson who was classic showbiz. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:34 | |
There was a lot of pressure on him, on many levels, | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
to keep the family business going. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:39 | |
As children, Mike and Brian would | 0:02:39 | 0:02:42 | |
frequent the family singalongs, even back when they were little tykes. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:48 | |
You know, they'd be in the car together, singing the stuff | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
on the radio and making up silly words, so it was automatic. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:55 | |
Just like it was automatic when Dennis was tossed the drumsticks | 0:02:55 | 0:02:58 | |
and became a drummer overnight. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:00 | |
It's like all of it just fell in. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:02 | |
Brian's cousin Mike would help him | 0:03:02 | 0:03:04 | |
with the words in the very beginning. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:06 | |
They had a lot in common with, you know, their taste. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
There were the earlier rock and roll hits that were an inspiration | 0:03:09 | 0:03:13 | |
to so many of us. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:15 | |
Chuck Berry, Little Richard, and The Everly Brothers. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
Those three were big influences | 0:03:18 | 0:03:21 | |
on both The Beatles and The Beach Boys as well. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:25 | |
We had the additional influence of The Four Freshman | 0:03:25 | 0:03:28 | |
who did this amazing harmony. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:30 | |
Brian loved The Four Freshman so much. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:34 | |
# Day by day you're making all my dreams come true | 0:03:34 | 0:03:39 | |
# So come what may, I want you to know... # | 0:03:39 | 0:03:44 | |
The Four Freshman taught me how to sing, you know, like high falsetto. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:48 | |
And Brian just melded that sweet vocal harmony kind of a thing | 0:03:48 | 0:03:53 | |
into something that was just sensational. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:58 | |
Mike was big into doo-wop, | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
with the bom-boms and the doop-doops. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
It started when we were asked to do a folk song, and we said, | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
"Well, we like folk music, | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
"but we're really more into R&B and rock and roll." | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
Brian and I got around the piano, | 0:04:15 | 0:04:17 | |
and came up with the song Surfin', a very simple song. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
-# We're going surfin' -(Bom bom dip di dit) | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
-# Surfin' -(Bom bom dip di dit)... # | 0:04:23 | 0:04:28 | |
It was a R&B-influenced song with the bom-bom dip-di-dip-dit-dips, | 0:04:28 | 0:04:32 | |
but it was about surfing. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:34 | |
It was a way of life, a way of dress, a way of talking, | 0:04:34 | 0:04:38 | |
an attitude, a lifestyle. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
Capitol were always looking for the younger acts. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:42 | |
Murry Wilson there, The Beach Boys' dad, had sent in a demo record | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
to Voyle Gilmore, who was then head of A&R at Capitol. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:49 | |
And Voyle gave it to Nik Venet, who was one of our producers there, | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
to listen to, and Nik came running into my office and said, | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
"You got to hear this." | 0:04:56 | 0:04:58 | |
I listened to it, it just knocked me out. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:00 | |
And I said, "Oh, my gosh, we got to sign them right now | 0:05:00 | 0:05:02 | |
"before we lose them," you know. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
And we did Surfin', and it did really well | 0:05:05 | 0:05:07 | |
in about half a dozen markets. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
But then Surfin' Safari became a reasonably big hit. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:14 | |
# Let's go surfin' now | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
# Everybody's learnin' how | 0:05:16 | 0:05:18 | |
# Come on and safari with me... # | 0:05:18 | 0:05:20 | |
Well, the sun was always shining for a start. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
And everybody was gorgeous, and on the beach and all that. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
I never aspired to go surfing or anything like that, frankly, | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
but just to be there and see all these people and, you know, | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
maybe go on a date with a guy like that would be smashing. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
That's what we liked. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:38 | |
I spoke to Brian about it after, and he said, "I love the lifestyle, | 0:05:38 | 0:05:41 | |
"and I'm an observer, I love the sunshine and the whole | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
"kind of fashion thing that go es with it, but I'm not into surfing | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
"because I don't swim." | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
That was a bit of a revelation. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:51 | |
And then Surfin' USA in 1963 was number one. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:55 | |
Surfing and girls. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:56 | |
Girls, big on girls songs. | 0:05:56 | 0:05:58 | |
And school. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:00 | |
So it kind of appealed to everyone, really, didn't it? | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
The Midwest...they didn't know from surfing. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
It was the hotrod songs that got those guys going. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
# Little deuce coupe | 0:06:09 | 0:06:11 | |
# You don't know what I got | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
# Little deuce coupe | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
# You don't know what I got | 0:06:15 | 0:06:16 | |
# Well I'm not braggin' babe so don't put me down | 0:06:16 | 0:06:20 | |
# But I've got the fastest set of wheels in town | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
# When something comes up to me he don't even try | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
# Cos if I had a set of wings man I know she could fly | 0:06:26 | 0:06:30 | |
# She's my little deuce coupe | 0:06:30 | 0:06:32 | |
# You don't know what I got... # | 0:06:32 | 0:06:35 | |
I mean, they loved the surfing records, | 0:06:35 | 0:06:36 | |
they loved the hotrod records, I'm talking about the marketing guys | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
and the promotion guys who had to go out and promote these things. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
But I can remember when Brian wanted to put out... | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
I think it was Little Surfer Girl. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
And the guys, the promotion guys, went, | 0:06:47 | 0:06:49 | |
"Oh, this is going to kill it, it's a ballad," you know. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
Brian said, "No, this is going to be..." You know. And Surfer Girl was a wonderful record. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
I copied the Four Freshman singer, the high singer. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
And I wrote Surfer Girl like... | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
# Little Surfer... | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
# Little one | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
# Made my heart come all undone | 0:07:07 | 0:07:14 | |
# Do you love me | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
# Do you, surfer girl...? # | 0:07:17 | 0:07:22 | |
So, you had your surfing and your beach life, your car songs, | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
but also everybody had to go to school. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
So we wrote a song called Be True To Your School. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
# Hey, hey, take it away, get that ball and fight | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
# So, be true to your school | 0:07:33 | 0:07:34 | |
# (Rah rah rah rah sis boom bah) | 0:07:34 | 0:07:36 | |
# Just like you would to your girl or guy | 0:07:36 | 0:07:38 | |
# (Rah rah rah rah sis boom bah) | 0:07:38 | 0:07:40 | |
# Be true to your school now... # | 0:07:40 | 0:07:42 | |
I mean, we had our education pretty much set out for us. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
Brian was our music teacher, | 0:07:45 | 0:07:47 | |
and just being on the road was our Rhodes scholar stuff. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
We were on the road 100 days a year or more, | 0:07:50 | 0:07:53 | |
and in the studio that many. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:55 | |
So it was getting tough. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:57 | |
I think Brian went through a crisis. | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
I mean, the end of '64, The Beach Boys had been touring relentlessly, | 0:07:59 | 0:08:03 | |
as they did in those days. They used to work those bands so hard. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:07 | |
And then the British invasion scared him to death. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
He thought, "It's all over, | 0:08:10 | 0:08:12 | |
"The Beatles are going to take it | 0:08:12 | 0:08:14 | |
"over and that's it, we're out of business." | 0:08:14 | 0:08:16 | |
And he was the centre of this, | 0:08:16 | 0:08:18 | |
because obviously he was the main man with The Beach Boys. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
So, in addition to doing all of the work in the studio and the writing, | 0:08:21 | 0:08:25 | |
he'd have to do all the publicising and all the promoting. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:31 | |
Look at all those jobs he had. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:33 | |
And anybody would cave in at some point, it's too much. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:38 | |
We observed him being quite unhappy being out on the road | 0:08:38 | 0:08:42 | |
and away from home, and not everyone is suited for that life. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:46 | |
He couldn't handle a lot of the things that went along with that, | 0:08:46 | 0:08:49 | |
like the travelling, the loudness of it, it hurt his ear, | 0:08:49 | 0:08:53 | |
he was having trouble hearing out of his... He's deaf in one ear. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
I saw him have a breakdown on an airplane. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
I was sitting right next to him, thinking, | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
"Well, this is it, it's over. He's not going to recover from this." | 0:09:02 | 0:09:06 | |
Well, I wanted to spend more time at my house, writing songs at home. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:11 | |
And... | 0:09:11 | 0:09:14 | |
So, I told the guys, "I'm going to stop touring." | 0:09:14 | 0:09:16 | |
Nobody could sing like Brian in terms of that falsetto, | 0:09:16 | 0:09:20 | |
and he played the bass with us in our live shows. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
So, it was not a happy occurrence to see | 0:09:23 | 0:09:28 | |
him leave the live group. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
Capitol, on the other hand, was thinking, | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
"Well, if he can make some more records, and make them as good | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
"or better than they are, there's an up side to that, too." | 0:09:37 | 0:09:39 | |
So, there wasn't a great deal of worry, as far as Capitol was concerned. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:43 | |
Brian Wilson's decision to get off the road and to get into the studio | 0:09:43 | 0:09:48 | |
is one of the most profound moments in rock history, | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
because it really is when Brian Wilson, I think, intuitively decided | 0:09:51 | 0:09:56 | |
that he was going to be an artist. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:58 | |
That he could spend more time writing, arranging and recording | 0:09:58 | 0:10:04 | |
the tracks, to which we would sing | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
when we would come back off of a tour. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:08 | |
He found that his instrument was the recording studio. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:12 | |
You could really hear instrumentation that was unique to rock music. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:18 | |
And I personally think the opening strands of California Girls | 0:10:18 | 0:10:22 | |
is like an overture. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
It sounds symphonic to me. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:31 | |
Just the whole dynamic of it, it's beautiful. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
# Well, East Coast girls are hip, I really dig those styles they wear | 0:10:36 | 0:10:44 | |
# And the Southern girls with the way they talk | 0:10:44 | 0:10:48 | |
# They knock me out when I'm down there... # | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
Brian was growing exponentially, | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
out of that three to four year time period since we started. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
He really blossomed. | 0:10:57 | 0:10:59 | |
Everybody can see Brian evolve as a songwriter-composer. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
He even said so himself when our first album was just released, | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
that he was already talking about down the road, when he was going to | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
produce all of this wonderful music. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:10 | |
And he just kept true to his word. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
# I wish they all could be California | 0:11:13 | 0:11:17 | |
# I wish they all could be California girls... # | 0:11:17 | 0:11:23 | |
The Beach Boys were, up till that point, | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
sort of an embodiment of the California dream. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:29 | |
And the success of girls/surf/cars/school | 0:11:29 | 0:11:34 | |
brought in the ability to have budgets to keep recording and | 0:11:34 | 0:11:39 | |
experimenting, and now he's got | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
a pack of brilliant musicians in the studio. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:46 | |
Most people know them as The Wrecking Crew, and they were | 0:11:46 | 0:11:48 | |
basically the top LA session players, people who'd come up | 0:11:48 | 0:11:52 | |
through the jazz scene, who played on everything from Sonny and Cher | 0:11:52 | 0:11:57 | |
to Frank Sinatra to Mamas and Papas, and a lot of Phil Spector's records. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:01 | |
They were on pretty much everything. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:03 | |
He didn't rely on The Beach Boys' band so much any more, | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
because he didn't have to. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:08 | |
The minute those guys were on the road, | 0:12:08 | 0:12:10 | |
he was really in the lab, experimenting. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:14 | |
One of the tracks he did was Sloop John B, which... | 0:12:14 | 0:12:18 | |
The idea for that came from Alan Jardine. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
Growing up as a teenager in Hawthorne, California, we were all | 0:12:20 | 0:12:25 | |
mesmerised by this folk...this evolution of folk music that | 0:12:25 | 0:12:31 | |
happened around the late '50s, early 60s. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
And here comes this amazing trio, The Kingston Trio. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:38 | |
# We come on the Sloop John B | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
# My grandfather and me... # | 0:12:41 | 0:12:45 | |
So I wanted to share my joy of that with the guys. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:49 | |
And I started messing around with some folk songs again. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:53 | |
And, by golly, that darn old Kingston Trio stuff started coming back. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:58 | |
# Well, I feel so break up | 0:12:58 | 0:13:00 | |
# I want to go home... # | 0:13:00 | 0:13:04 | |
Al Jardine loved folk music so much, and when he was in high school, | 0:13:04 | 0:13:09 | |
he would sing the Kingston Trio music, | 0:13:09 | 0:13:12 | |
and he always wanted to record it. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:14 | |
Without Al's interest, I don't think Brian would have ever recorded it. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:18 | |
I thought, "If I put it in his language, put it in a way that he'll | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
"understand it, and give it a little oomph, a little power, | 0:13:21 | 0:13:27 | |
"a little change, get off the folk rhythm, | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
"get on to the Beach Boy rhythm...." | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
He actually showed Brian the chords and so on, like that. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
This is probably how I played it. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
HE PLAYS UPBEAT RHYTHM | 0:13:38 | 0:13:40 | |
A little more tempo. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:45 | |
And here's the difference. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
HE PLAYS MINOR CHORD | 0:13:52 | 0:13:53 | |
There's the key, there's the turnaround that actually makes the vocals work. | 0:13:56 | 0:14:00 | |
They become magical. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:02 | |
Because we've added a minor. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:04 | |
And we did it together. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:06 | |
I told him I would adapt the melody and make an arrangement to it. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:10 | |
The next day, he had an arrangement done on it. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:12 | |
He surprised the hell out of me. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
And he came up with quite a stunning track. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:19 | |
Let's have the flutes one more time. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
Could I hear...? | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
One more. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
Right there, don't move! Don't move. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:29 | |
All right, let's make it. Here we go, Sloop John B. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
# We come on the Sloop John B | 0:14:36 | 0:14:40 | |
# My grandfather and me | 0:14:40 | 0:14:44 | |
# Around Nassau town we did roam | 0:14:44 | 0:14:50 | |
# Drinking all night | 0:14:50 | 0:14:54 | |
# Got into a fight | 0:14:54 | 0:14:59 | |
# Well, I feel so broke up | 0:14:59 | 0:15:02 | |
# I wanna go home | 0:15:02 | 0:15:07 | |
# So hoist up the John B's sail... # | 0:15:07 | 0:15:12 | |
Downbeats. Unheard of. Just downbeat. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
# Call for the captain ashore | 0:15:15 | 0:15:17 | |
# Let me go home | 0:15:17 | 0:15:21 | |
# Let me go home... # | 0:15:21 | 0:15:22 | |
Building a track was something that Brian was very good at. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:26 | |
It was a very simple part, obviously. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:28 | |
It would get more elaborate. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:29 | |
And, except for the intro, the horns and the flutes haven't played yet, they will come in here. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:36 | |
# The first mate he got drunk | 0:15:37 | 0:15:41 | |
# And broke in the captain's trunk | 0:15:41 | 0:15:45 | |
# The constable had to come and take him away... # | 0:15:45 | 0:15:50 | |
It's somehow the visualisation of being on that ship, | 0:15:50 | 0:15:55 | |
watching those waves, watching the sails. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:59 | |
To me, it's all visual. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
Just something to spice up the feeling of being on the ocean. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:08 | |
So, we're towards the end of the song... | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
and you'll see that Hal's part changes. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
DRUMS BECOME BUSIER | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
"Now another 16 bars. We want it bigger." | 0:16:19 | 0:16:23 | |
DRUMMING INTENSIFIES | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
And it's still changing. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
So, the rougher seas, maybe. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
And it's getting bigger and bigger and bigger, | 0:16:31 | 0:16:33 | |
and now I'm playing straight eighths. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
With two drums. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
Which is one of the tricks I always had with The Beach Boys. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
Snare drum and a floor tom-tom. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
So, you're getting the highs of the snare, | 0:16:44 | 0:16:46 | |
the lows of the floor tom-tom. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
# So hoist up the John B | 0:16:49 | 0:16:50 | |
# Hoist up the John B... # | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
Of course, he didn't invite me to the session, | 0:16:53 | 0:16:55 | |
which I thought was kind of rude. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:57 | |
But, you know, I quickly forgave him, because, you know, | 0:16:57 | 0:17:00 | |
he was on a roll, man. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
He was on fire. So I just backed off. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
I thought, "You know what? He got it. I got through!" | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
And that was the main thing. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:11 | |
What you see with The Beach Boys, right before Pet Sounds, | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
is that rock and roll was about getting a hit. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
It was always about the next hit and just giving you something that maybe | 0:17:17 | 0:17:21 | |
sounded enough like the last one to get another hit. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
Oh, man. We became like a touring jukebox. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
Yeah. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:29 | |
We were like a jukebox band. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:31 | |
Really, that idea of the rock and roll album was just beginning | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
to exist, you know, it's really... | 0:17:34 | 0:17:37 | |
The Beatles, around Rubber Soul, step up the game in a major way. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:43 | |
Anything and everything The Beatles did was worth paying notice to. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:49 | |
And it was an inspiration, Rubber Soul in particular. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:53 | |
Brain Wilson is very introspective, melancholy. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:57 | |
He might have been afraid to express himself that way. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
The Rubber Soul album by The Beatles, I think, might have | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
sparked Brian, opened a little window for him. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
# Nowhere man, please listen | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
# You don't know what you're missing | 0:18:09 | 0:18:13 | |
# Nowhere man | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
# The world is at your command... # | 0:18:16 | 0:18:20 | |
"Maybe I can be, you know, introspective in my art and | 0:18:20 | 0:18:24 | |
"express my melancholy through songs and stuff." | 0:18:24 | 0:18:27 | |
You could see there that he was, you know, | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
something's going on in this guy's head. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
It's not the average, "My girlfriend left me at the high school dance." | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
There was something more going on. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:39 | |
I experimented on Pet Sounds, I tried to write something better | 0:18:39 | 0:18:43 | |
than the surf songs and car songs. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
Maybe my favourite Brian song of all time is | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
I Just Wasn't Made For These Times. It's where he hits the truth. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:52 | |
# I keep looking for a place to fit in | 0:18:52 | 0:18:57 | |
# Where I can speak my mind... # | 0:18:57 | 0:19:02 | |
The first line. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
How many people in this world haven't felt that way? | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
I'm looking for a place to fit in. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:10 | |
"I'm just looking for a place where I can speak my mind." | 0:19:10 | 0:19:12 | |
I think that really crystallises | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
a lot of the impetus behind Pet Sounds. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
Brian was finding a place to really express himself. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:22 | |
# And I've been trying hard to find the people | 0:19:22 | 0:19:27 | |
# That I won't leave behind... # | 0:19:27 | 0:19:31 | |
That was like a social statement, like saying I thought that I was | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
a little bit out of time. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:36 | |
I thought I was a little ahead of my time. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
We had talked about that idea even before we did some of the other | 0:19:39 | 0:19:43 | |
songs, so I think it was something that kind of up came up occasionally | 0:19:43 | 0:19:47 | |
as we were discussing lyric ideas. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:50 | |
They're not clever-clever. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:52 | |
None of the lyrics on those, on Pet Sounds are clever-clever. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
They all just get right to the heart and say what they've got to say. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
# They say I got brains but they ain't doin' me no good | 0:19:58 | 0:20:05 | |
# I wish they could... # | 0:20:05 | 0:20:08 | |
It just had a feeling of, like, | 0:20:08 | 0:20:10 | |
"I wish I could find people that could help me find a cooler place," | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
you know? | 0:20:13 | 0:20:15 | |
It's a simple song. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:16 | |
But when you hear the vocal stuff on it, it's not a simple song, | 0:20:16 | 0:20:20 | |
it's not that easy to do. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:22 | |
The harmonies are the distinctive quality of The Beach Boys' recordings. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:27 | |
I think that's the one thing that is very, you know, | 0:20:27 | 0:20:32 | |
unique to The Beach Boys, the refinement of the harmonies and the | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
closeness of the harmonies, | 0:20:35 | 0:20:37 | |
and the warmth of the harmonies, and the blend. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
There's something that is in their DNA, I guess, you know? | 0:20:40 | 0:20:45 | |
They've got that... They come from the same heritage. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
Singing is an expression of your self, you know? | 0:20:48 | 0:20:50 | |
Your feelings. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
And... So, me and my brothers sang together, because we're a family. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:58 | |
Three brothers and my cousin Mike, | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
so we blend together very well, very good. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
Al Jardine, Mike Love, Carl Wilson, Brian Wilson, Dennis Wilson. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:09 | |
Those timbres. In fact, now slide me in there - zip! Now there's six, | 0:21:09 | 0:21:14 | |
and listen to, on the Pet Sounds album, this track called | 0:21:14 | 0:21:18 | |
I Just Wasn't Made For These Times. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:20 | |
There's six of us singing! | 0:21:20 | 0:21:22 | |
# Each time things start to happen again | 0:21:22 | 0:21:26 | |
# I think I got something good going for myself | 0:21:26 | 0:21:31 | |
# But what goes wrong? | 0:21:31 | 0:21:35 | |
# Sometimes I feel very sad | 0:21:35 | 0:21:39 | |
# Ain't find the right thing I can put my heart and soul into | 0:21:39 | 0:21:45 | |
# Sometimes I feel very sad | 0:21:45 | 0:21:46 | |
There's a quality and a blend about the voices that they... | 0:21:49 | 0:21:56 | |
that nobody has copied. | 0:21:56 | 0:21:58 | |
I mean, there's been tribute bands who, obviously, copied them, | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
but nobody has been able to reach that height of... | 0:22:01 | 0:22:06 | |
To me, it's quite jazzy, and that's one of the reasons I like it. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:10 | |
But that height of sophistication, musically, and the sound... | 0:22:10 | 0:22:14 | |
It was unique. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:16 | |
# I guess I just wasn't made for these times | 0:22:16 | 0:22:22 | |
# I guess I just wasn't made for these times | 0:22:22 | 0:22:26 | |
# I guess I just wasn't made for these times... # | 0:22:26 | 0:22:33 | |
I Just Wasn't Made For These Times is kind of an artistic statement, | 0:22:33 | 0:22:37 | |
saying, "I am not going to fit into my times, | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
"I'm going to determine them." And he did. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
You know, he did, the Beatles did, and Bob Dylan, they all | 0:22:43 | 0:22:47 | |
stopped trying to make pop music in the traditional sense and tried to | 0:22:47 | 0:22:52 | |
make art, and that's why popular music became art. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:56 | |
I met Brian Wilson the first time at Capitol Recording Studios. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:05 | |
I was working for an advertising agency. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:07 | |
It was part of my job, I was doing jingles and writing commercials. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:13 | |
# Lucky Locket Kiddles Lucky Locket Kiddles. # | 0:23:13 | 0:23:17 | |
That was it. That was the whole jingle. And it was two notes. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:20 | |
And so effective. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:22 | |
And so, I go outside the studio, and I walk down the hall, and I guess | 0:23:22 | 0:23:26 | |
I just ran into Brian, and the two of us were standing there. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:30 | |
We started talking. He said, "Hi, how are you?" You know... | 0:23:30 | 0:23:32 | |
-IMPERSONATES BRIAN: -Hi, how are you? | 0:23:32 | 0:23:34 | |
It's kind of a Brian thing. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:36 | |
And I said, "Great, how are you? What are you working on?" | 0:23:36 | 0:23:38 | |
And he said, "Oh, we're doing some stuff. Hey, you want to listen to this?" | 0:23:38 | 0:23:42 | |
I was very impressed with some of the stuff I heard | 0:23:42 | 0:23:46 | |
in that session, because they were not finished tracks. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
It was sublime. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:51 | |
I mean, it was really... I couldn't have imagined anything better, you know? | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
Tony was a very mellow person. He was a very nice guy. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
Kind of low-key, he wasn't a real peppy guy, | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
he was kind of low-key. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:02 | |
I went back to doing what I was doing and I didn't know | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
if I would ever see him again. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:06 | |
A few weeks later, I got a phone call. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:08 | |
I was surprised, because I thought, "Why would he be calling me?" | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
You know, I mean... Just to say, | 0:24:11 | 0:24:14 | |
"Hey, it was fun the other day," or something, you know? | 0:24:14 | 0:24:16 | |
It didn't seem to make sense. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:17 | |
Well, he was good with words for those advertisements. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
I asked him if he could write lyrics, and he said, "Sure, I can write lyrics." | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
And he said, "Well, I'm just sitting around at the piano, I thought maybe | 0:24:23 | 0:24:27 | |
"you might want to, you know, do some stuff together. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
"The boys are in Japan." And he said, "I don't really have anybody to write with." | 0:24:30 | 0:24:36 | |
So, he came to my house and we started writing Pet Sounds. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:38 | |
# Wouldn't it be nice if we were older | 0:24:38 | 0:24:42 | |
# Then we wouldn't have to wait so long | 0:24:42 | 0:24:46 | |
# And wouldn't it be nice to live together | 0:24:46 | 0:24:50 | |
# In the kind of world where we belong | 0:24:50 | 0:24:54 | |
# You know it's gonna make it that much better | 0:24:54 | 0:24:59 | |
# When we can say goodnight and stay together... # | 0:24:59 | 0:25:03 | |
Tony Asher's contribution is fantastic. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:07 | |
He is a marvellous writer. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:10 | |
Well, I knew he was great, you know. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:12 | |
He liked the way I wrote melodies, and I liked his lyrics. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:16 | |
We wrote during the day, and he would come to my house, and he would | 0:25:16 | 0:25:20 | |
have his paper and his pen, and I would write a little bit | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
and then he would write a little lyrics. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:25 | |
He must have just felt it was someone who would listen to him, | 0:25:25 | 0:25:29 | |
and who could help channel him through lyrics. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:33 | |
They're all great, | 0:25:33 | 0:25:36 | |
and I really like the work that Tony Asher did. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:40 | |
The fact that Brian just meets a guy who's in advertising and somehow | 0:25:40 | 0:25:44 | |
ends up writing some of the most important lyrics of all time | 0:25:44 | 0:25:48 | |
with this man, Tony Asher, that are timeless. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:52 | |
It's just... It's kind of inexplicable. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:55 | |
Well, he had the knack for making people feel good. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
I thought that was a nice, young idea for a song, which is... | 0:25:58 | 0:26:03 | |
You know, "Wouldn't it be nice if we were older?" | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
When I was 14 and I came into the business... | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
Well, when I was 14 and whatever I'd have done, | 0:26:09 | 0:26:11 | |
I thought I was so grown up. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:13 | |
We were, the girls, anyway. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:15 | |
The fellas... | 0:26:15 | 0:26:16 | |
But we...we thought we were so grown up. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:19 | |
And we wanted to be older, to be able to be free to do this | 0:26:19 | 0:26:21 | |
and to do that, and not have our parents tell us, "No, you can't." | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
Asher was clever in that way, and the way that he had an ambiguity | 0:26:24 | 0:26:28 | |
to his lyrics which had essentially a very simple message | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
taken at face value. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:33 | |
But if you go into it, you find that there's a more... | 0:26:33 | 0:26:37 | |
spiritual side to it, and a more complex message coming across. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:42 | |
The album is the sound of him trying to explore becoming an adult. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:49 | |
Because I think he may have had a sort of delayed go at that. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:54 | |
Great song. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:56 | |
There's the explosion... | 0:27:00 | 0:27:02 | |
You're trying to get Hal to play the intro the way you want. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:07 | |
Right. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:08 | |
STUDIO RECORDING: Hal, here's how I want to do it. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:10 | |
Take it... It's like this. Da-da-da-da-da-da-boom! | 0:27:10 | 0:27:13 | |
-Two...three...four... -Boom. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:15 | |
I wanted Hal to hit the drum as hard as he could | 0:27:15 | 0:27:17 | |
so that we can get an echo. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:19 | |
# Wouldn't it be nice if we were older | 0:27:26 | 0:27:30 | |
# Then we wouldn't have to wait so long | 0:27:30 | 0:27:34 | |
# And wouldn't it be nice to live together | 0:27:34 | 0:27:38 | |
# In the kind of world where we belong...? # | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
Everybody was doing that. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:44 | |
You know, double voicing, double tracking. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:46 | |
So, we tried it. We wanted to do it like everybody else. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
DOUBLE-TRACKED VOCALS | 0:27:49 | 0:27:51 | |
The thing I've always loved about this track is that when you take the | 0:27:54 | 0:27:57 | |
leads out and just play the backgrounds and the backing track, | 0:27:57 | 0:28:03 | |
if you will, it's such an amazing... | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
Where are the voices? In the background. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:11 | |
There they are. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:14 | |
The Beach Boys. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:15 | |
# Wouldn't it be nice if we could wake up | 0:28:15 | 0:28:19 | |
# In the morning when the day is new | 0:28:19 | 0:28:23 | |
# And after having spent the day together | 0:28:23 | 0:28:26 | |
# Hold each other close the whole night through...? # | 0:28:26 | 0:28:31 | |
Yeah. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:32 | |
Wouldn't It Be Nice? | 0:28:32 | 0:28:34 | |
Total stress. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:35 | |
Brings back good memories. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:37 | |
That was one that was just never quite right. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:40 | |
And it just...in his mind, | 0:28:40 | 0:28:43 | |
he could not... He just didn't hear it. He wasn't hearing it. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:45 | |
You know, "Come on, guys, you can do better than that." | 0:28:45 | 0:28:48 | |
Brian was between a hipster and... | 0:28:48 | 0:28:54 | |
one of your famous British Generals that was tough. | 0:28:54 | 0:28:57 | |
He was tough. | 0:28:57 | 0:28:58 | |
He demanded everything from everybody. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:01 | |
Wouldn't It Be Nice is upbeat and fabulous, it's a great arrangement. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:05 | |
We worked many hours doing... | 0:29:05 | 0:29:09 | |
perfecting the harmonies on that one. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:12 | |
That was a labour of love. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:14 | |
That's for sure. | 0:29:14 | 0:29:16 | |
Do you remember why you decided to put Mike back in the bridge | 0:29:16 | 0:29:19 | |
on Wouldn't It Be Nice? To back up...? | 0:29:19 | 0:29:21 | |
Yeah, because I wanted him to take part in that song. | 0:29:21 | 0:29:24 | |
# Maybe if we think and wish and hope and pray | 0:29:24 | 0:29:27 | |
# It might come true | 0:29:27 | 0:29:30 | |
# Baby then there wouldn't be a single thing we couldn't do | 0:29:32 | 0:29:38 | |
# We could be married... # | 0:29:38 | 0:29:43 | |
I was stunned, sometimes, by how much he... | 0:29:43 | 0:29:48 | |
had going on in his head that I never dreamed was there, | 0:29:50 | 0:29:53 | |
because, you know, you can't hear it until you can hear it. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:55 | |
I wanted to record Wouldn't It Be Nice at Gold Star | 0:29:55 | 0:29:59 | |
because it has a good echo chamber, and I like the echo. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:01 | |
Be My Baby, Brian has probably listened to that more than he's | 0:30:01 | 0:30:05 | |
listened to any other song, or songs combined. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:09 | |
He would play it repeatedly, incessantly. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
He was mesmerised by Be My Baby by The Ronettes, | 0:30:12 | 0:30:16 | |
but produced by Phil Spector. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:18 | |
And then the bass line... | 0:30:18 | 0:30:20 | |
It had a great bass line and a great melody and a great singer, Ronnie. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:28 | |
# So won't you please | 0:30:28 | 0:30:30 | |
# Be my, be my baby | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
# Be my little baby | 0:30:32 | 0:30:33 | |
# My one and only baby | 0:30:33 | 0:30:36 | |
# Say you'll be my darling | 0:30:36 | 0:30:37 | |
# Be my, be my baby | 0:30:37 | 0:30:39 | |
# Be my baby now | 0:30:39 | 0:30:42 | |
# Whoa-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh... # | 0:30:42 | 0:30:44 | |
Phil had a huge impact on him. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:47 | |
Brian loved that "wall of sound" that Phil Spector had, | 0:30:47 | 0:30:52 | |
and he loved the records that Phil Spector made, | 0:30:52 | 0:30:55 | |
and Phil was a genius, too, you know, | 0:30:55 | 0:30:57 | |
he was making hit after hit after hit. | 0:30:57 | 0:30:59 | |
# Be my, be my baby | 0:30:59 | 0:31:02 | |
# Be my little baby | 0:31:02 | 0:31:04 | |
# My one and only baby...# | 0:31:04 | 0:31:07 | |
Phil Spector got word about us, | 0:31:07 | 0:31:09 | |
and Phil came and we started working at Gold Star for Phil. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:14 | |
Almost everything we touched with Phil Spector became giant hits. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:19 | |
Big hits. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:20 | |
And he was calling us the Wall of Sound. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:23 | |
There would be four or five guitar players, | 0:31:23 | 0:31:26 | |
three or four piano players, always one drummer. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:30 | |
Two bass players, he liked to use an upright bass player | 0:31:31 | 0:31:34 | |
with a Fender bass player. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:36 | |
And then he would have a percussion section, and that was it. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:39 | |
We were all in one room. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:40 | |
But it made a wonderful sound. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:42 | |
And Brian fell in love with that sound. | 0:31:42 | 0:31:46 | |
He wanted the same enthusiasm, | 0:31:46 | 0:31:50 | |
he wanted the same musicians. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:53 | |
There were four or five of us who were always with Brian. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:56 | |
The Wall of Sound, you have to give Phil Spector credit for building it. | 0:31:56 | 0:32:00 | |
But I think the wall that Brian built was more textured, | 0:32:00 | 0:32:04 | |
and much more subtle. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:06 | |
There's just sort of a musicality to Brian's work that goes beyond | 0:32:06 | 0:32:11 | |
what Spector ever dreamed of. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:13 | |
# I came along when he broke your heart | 0:32:24 | 0:32:29 | |
# That's when you needed someone | 0:32:29 | 0:32:32 | |
# To help forget about him... # | 0:32:32 | 0:32:34 | |
Well, I wanted to mix up a love song with a happy song. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:38 | |
Put the two together. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:39 | |
It's too easy to give all the credit to Brian and Tony Asher. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:43 | |
I'm Waiting For The Day is great, and that's not Tony Asher, | 0:32:43 | 0:32:45 | |
that's an example of Mike having real skill as a writer. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:48 | |
We were dealing with emotions, and Waiting For The Day is a | 0:32:48 | 0:32:52 | |
beautiful way of saying that you find something special in someone | 0:32:52 | 0:32:56 | |
and they may not be ready at that moment in time to engage. | 0:32:56 | 0:33:00 | |
But you find that they're worth waiting for. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:04 | |
# I kissed your lips when your face looked sad | 0:33:04 | 0:33:10 | |
# It made me think about him | 0:33:10 | 0:33:13 | |
# And that you still loved him so... # | 0:33:13 | 0:33:16 | |
Brian is such an artist that he allowed the genius of these players | 0:33:16 | 0:33:20 | |
to also come into the equation. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:22 | |
No-one appreciated these great players more than Brian. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:25 | |
This was the very beginnings of rock and roll, remember. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:30 | |
Many musicians refused to play rock and roll music. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:34 | |
They said it's junk, it's garbage, it's rotten, it's dirty. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
Because they were always in suits and ties, you know, very straight. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:40 | |
No smoking, you know. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
Who knew that we were going to move in and take over this kind of thing? | 0:33:43 | 0:33:48 | |
And then the guys that were doing all the movie calls, the film calls, | 0:33:48 | 0:33:52 | |
said, "Those guys are going to wreck the business." | 0:33:52 | 0:33:55 | |
The tracking was fun, I think, for him, | 0:33:55 | 0:33:58 | |
because he got to hang with The Wrecking Crew, and just experiment | 0:33:58 | 0:34:02 | |
to heck, and spend as much money as he wanted, you know. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
He was like a kid in a candy shop. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:08 | |
These players could play anything, and Brian just had this | 0:34:08 | 0:34:14 | |
baby symphony pool of amazing musicians to work with. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:19 | |
# I'm waiting for the day when you can love again. # | 0:34:20 | 0:34:28 | |
It was extremely unusual to see | 0:34:35 | 0:34:37 | |
a female musician working in the studios. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:40 | |
Carol Kaye was a standout woman in her own right in that capacity. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:44 | |
She was the best, she was better than any men around, so, you know, | 0:34:44 | 0:34:48 | |
why not use the best? | 0:34:48 | 0:34:50 | |
WALKING BASS | 0:34:50 | 0:34:52 | |
I always love that walking line. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:54 | |
STUDIO RECORDING: In fact, go like this... | 0:34:55 | 0:34:57 | |
Dun-doo-de-doo-de-doo-de-doo-de-doo- de-doo-de-doo-de-boom! | 0:34:57 | 0:35:01 | |
WALKING BASS | 0:35:01 | 0:35:04 | |
Carol Kaye's bass sound | 0:35:07 | 0:35:09 | |
is a really subtle undertone to a lot of Pet Sounds. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:14 | |
But it's there like an anchor. It's there in I'm Waiting For The Day. | 0:35:14 | 0:35:17 | |
Quite driving guitar and drums, really pushing the song along, | 0:35:17 | 0:35:22 | |
and then you've got her cool bass notes in there, just anchoring it, | 0:35:22 | 0:35:27 | |
you know, keeping it grounded. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:29 | |
Well, she was very creative, and she played right on the beat, you know. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:32 | |
She wouldn't, like, flub up, she would play right on the beat. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:37 | |
When we used to record in those days, we made decisions. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:41 | |
Nothing was left until later, | 0:35:41 | 0:35:42 | |
because we only had three to four tracks. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
If you were putting the rhythm all on one track, and when you got your | 0:35:45 | 0:35:48 | |
sounds, you put your delays in, you did your echo, you did it live, | 0:35:48 | 0:35:53 | |
and that's the sound I hear in my head, | 0:35:53 | 0:35:54 | |
that's what I want, let's record it. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:56 | |
# It starts with just a little glance now | 0:35:56 | 0:36:00 | |
# Right away you're thinking about romance now | 0:36:00 | 0:36:04 | |
# You know you ought to take it slower | 0:36:04 | 0:36:08 | |
# But you just can't wait to get to know her | 0:36:08 | 0:36:12 | |
# A brand-new love affair is such a beautiful thing | 0:36:12 | 0:36:17 | |
# But if you're not careful | 0:36:19 | 0:36:21 | |
# Think about the pain it can bring... # | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
it's very much the album of someone in their 20s. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
That youthful exploration of love. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:31 | |
And there's existential angst in there. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:33 | |
I was experiencing, you know, love and... | 0:36:33 | 0:36:39 | |
having those kinds of... | 0:36:39 | 0:36:41 | |
You know, it was that time in my life, you know. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:44 | |
The quest of the mid-'60s was to define what love is. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:49 | |
That's what the counterculture was all about. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
It feels genuine to me, when I listen to that stuff. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:56 | |
# Right now you think that she's perfection | 0:36:56 | 0:37:00 | |
# This time is really an exception | 0:37:00 | 0:37:04 | |
# Well, you know I hate to be a downer | 0:37:04 | 0:37:08 | |
# But I'm the guy she left before you found her... # | 0:37:08 | 0:37:11 | |
We experimented with the musicians a lot, you know. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:15 | |
It was all experimentation, and it went on and on for about two months | 0:37:15 | 0:37:20 | |
to get the album recorded. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:22 | |
He had different relationships with different people, from the best I can tell. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:26 | |
And that's why he would go from studio to studio | 0:37:26 | 0:37:30 | |
searching out a particular feeling that he was looking for. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:33 | |
And that was a real departure, | 0:37:33 | 0:37:34 | |
because all the other Capitol artists had to record at Capitol, | 0:37:34 | 0:37:37 | |
or it was a slap in the face at Capitol. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:39 | |
But we let him record where he wanted to record. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:42 | |
He was bringing in great records. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:44 | |
Brian never came in before two o'clock. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:47 | |
It was almost always at Western Studios, Studio Three, | 0:37:47 | 0:37:52 | |
which was a small studio, and | 0:37:52 | 0:37:54 | |
he'd say, "I have a new song. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
"I'm writing a new song, and I want to record it." | 0:37:57 | 0:38:01 | |
He would start out... He basically knew where it was going to go. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:06 | |
A lot of times, we didn't know, | 0:38:06 | 0:38:08 | |
and you've got to remember that we were looking at songs | 0:38:08 | 0:38:10 | |
that didn't have titles on it. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:12 | |
It was just the chord sheets, | 0:38:12 | 0:38:14 | |
or maybe a few sketched out lines that Brian would write. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:17 | |
I would hand them all their manuscript papers that I wrote, | 0:38:17 | 0:38:20 | |
then I'd take each guy and say, | 0:38:20 | 0:38:23 | |
"Let me hear the bass player play it for a minute." We'd get them. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:26 | |
Then I'd do the guitar players, the pianos, and the horns. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:30 | |
I talked to them individually and collectively. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:34 | |
They were all good, good for it, for me. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:36 | |
He would sing parts to the guys, and they would write it down. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:41 | |
He would lay out the rhythm the way that he wanted it, | 0:38:41 | 0:38:44 | |
and the bass lines. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:46 | |
I mean, he would work the chart in the room | 0:38:46 | 0:38:48 | |
before he went into the control room. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:50 | |
Because he had it up here. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:52 | |
They took my direction. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:54 | |
I would tell them what to play and they'd play it. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:57 | |
That's organ... | 0:38:57 | 0:38:58 | |
tack piano together. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:02 | |
There were always three pianos. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:05 | |
And it was a special tuning that we arrived at. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:11 | |
I worked with the piano tuner to try different things, and I did put | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
tacks on the head of each hammer, | 0:39:14 | 0:39:18 | |
and Brian immediately was attracted to it, | 0:39:19 | 0:39:23 | |
and it became kind of a signature sound. | 0:39:23 | 0:39:26 | |
TACK PIANO PLAYS | 0:39:32 | 0:39:34 | |
# Love is here | 0:39:34 | 0:39:37 | |
# Today, and it's gone | 0:39:37 | 0:39:40 | |
# Tomorrow, it's here | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
# And gone so fast... # | 0:39:43 | 0:39:49 | |
They knew he was a special guy, musically. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:53 | |
And sometimes they'd help him write something down in a part, | 0:39:53 | 0:39:58 | |
but it was all up here in his head, | 0:39:58 | 0:40:01 | |
and he somehow communicated it to all the players, and sometimes... | 0:40:01 | 0:40:05 | |
"Brian, you can't do that." And then they'd play it and you'd get, | 0:40:05 | 0:40:08 | |
"That's pretty good, Brian." You know, it was so cool. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:11 | |
I would try to develop the arrangement | 0:40:11 | 0:40:13 | |
to fit the song, the melody. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:15 | |
You know, I would write the melody and then I would try to make the | 0:40:15 | 0:40:17 | |
arrangements kind of like surround the melody. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:20 | |
And we started getting reports about it. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:23 | |
"Brian's doing something really special, guys. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:26 | |
"He really is." | 0:40:26 | 0:40:27 | |
But we were on tour in Japan. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:29 | |
As soon as we got back, we began to listen to the material. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:31 | |
I mean, he couldn't wait for us to get down to the studio. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:34 | |
He didn't care about jet lag or any of that stuff. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:37 | |
It didn't mean anything to him. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:40 | |
But it was... It was sobering. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:43 | |
We had to really buckle down. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:45 | |
Now, in the case of Here Today, and about half of Pet Sounds, | 0:40:45 | 0:40:48 | |
Brian cut the vocals at CBS up the street. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:52 | |
I think, primarily, because they had the only one-inch eight-track in town. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:56 | |
A couple three-tracks of backgrounds. | 0:40:56 | 0:40:59 | |
# Right away you're thinking 'bout romancing... # | 0:40:59 | 0:41:03 | |
HARMONY VOCALS | 0:41:03 | 0:41:07 | |
-Again, they're probably doubled or tripled. -Doubled, yeah. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:10 | |
I think he's a visionary. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:12 | |
He is a musical visionary, as well as a social... | 0:41:12 | 0:41:16 | |
In a social context as well, a visionary. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:19 | |
He sees things I don't think the rest of us see. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:24 | |
You know, and hears things, certainly, that we don't hear. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:28 | |
So, he's one of those special... | 0:41:28 | 0:41:30 | |
He's got a special receiver going on up there in his brain. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:35 | |
Brian truly is the most gifted music person that I've ever met. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:41 | |
I hate it when they call him genius, because... And they're right, but | 0:41:41 | 0:41:45 | |
don't do that, that's too big of a load to carry on your shoulders. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:49 | |
But he's so gifted. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:50 | |
He didn't realise his talent. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:55 | |
I still think he doesn't. | 0:41:55 | 0:41:57 | |
One of the magical things about Brian is he was able to describe | 0:41:57 | 0:42:02 | |
without having it on the written page | 0:42:02 | 0:42:04 | |
exactly the sound that he heard. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:07 | |
Boy, then you'd hear them as they were | 0:42:07 | 0:42:10 | |
transformed, really, in that process. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:13 | |
It was staggering. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:16 | |
And when he heard it, that was it. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:18 | |
And that was The Beach Boys' sound. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:20 | |
I don't know what your definition of genius is, | 0:42:20 | 0:42:22 | |
but he certainly might be. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:25 | |
I think genius just means clever. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:27 | |
I don't think it really has any real meaning. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:30 | |
It just means you're good at something, genius-like, you know. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:33 | |
Like Albert Einstein was a genius. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:36 | |
# Hang on to your ego | 0:42:36 | 0:42:40 | |
# Hang on, but I know that you're gonna lose the fight | 0:42:40 | 0:42:45 | |
# They come on like their peaceful | 0:42:47 | 0:42:50 | |
# But inside they're so uptight | 0:42:50 | 0:42:56 | |
# They trip through the day and waste all their thoughts at night | 0:42:56 | 0:43:01 | |
# Now how can I say it | 0:43:04 | 0:43:09 | |
# And how can I come on | 0:43:09 | 0:43:11 | |
# When I know I'm guilty...? # | 0:43:11 | 0:43:14 | |
There was a lot of LSD around. | 0:43:14 | 0:43:17 | |
Brian heard that sometimes the acid | 0:43:17 | 0:43:21 | |
gives you certain colours that you didn't know existed, et cetera, et cetera. | 0:43:21 | 0:43:27 | |
Well, I think he was experimenting a little bit then, too. | 0:43:27 | 0:43:30 | |
He told us that he was doing acid during California Girls, | 0:43:30 | 0:43:33 | |
so... "Oh." | 0:43:33 | 0:43:35 | |
I was very sceptical about doing any of that stuff. | 0:43:35 | 0:43:38 | |
I looked askance at anything | 0:43:38 | 0:43:41 | |
having to do with that kind of drug culture influence. | 0:43:41 | 0:43:46 | |
# Hang on to your ego | 0:43:46 | 0:43:50 | |
# Hang on, but I know that you're gonna lose the fight... # | 0:43:50 | 0:43:56 | |
Mike disagreed on Hang On To Your Ego, which allegedly is... | 0:43:56 | 0:44:02 | |
if you take LSD, you have to hang on to your ego. | 0:44:02 | 0:44:05 | |
You know, and he didn't really think that fit the image | 0:44:05 | 0:44:08 | |
of The Beach Boys to allude to that. | 0:44:08 | 0:44:11 | |
To me, that... | 0:44:11 | 0:44:13 | |
that was a little too drug-influenced. | 0:44:13 | 0:44:16 | |
You know, this track has been subject to all kinds of speculation | 0:44:16 | 0:44:19 | |
and contention that, you know, this was the track that got fought over | 0:44:19 | 0:44:24 | |
and that Mike didn't like the lyrics. | 0:44:24 | 0:44:27 | |
ISOLATED VOCAL TRACK: # They come on like they're peaceful | 0:44:27 | 0:44:30 | |
MOCKING: # But inside they're so uptight... # | 0:44:30 | 0:44:34 | |
Why don't I do a Jimmy Durante? | 0:44:34 | 0:44:36 | |
They come on like they're peaceful, but inside they're so uptight! | 0:44:36 | 0:44:41 | |
OK, I'm sorry. | 0:44:41 | 0:44:43 | |
-We'll do another take for our own, OK? -OK. | 0:44:43 | 0:44:44 | |
-Another take like that as soon as we're done, OK? -Check. | 0:44:44 | 0:44:47 | |
All I was saying is I would make my feelings known if I felt it was | 0:44:47 | 0:44:51 | |
going too far out on a limb lyrically, | 0:44:51 | 0:44:54 | |
or conceptually, having | 0:44:54 | 0:44:58 | |
some relationship to some kind of drugs and stuff like that. | 0:44:58 | 0:45:02 | |
I didn't know what an ego was at the time, | 0:45:02 | 0:45:04 | |
but I learned very quickly. | 0:45:04 | 0:45:06 | |
So, I came up with an alternative lyric | 0:45:06 | 0:45:08 | |
called I Know There's An Answer. | 0:45:08 | 0:45:10 | |
# I know there's an answer | 0:45:10 | 0:45:14 | |
# I know now, but I had to find it by myself... # | 0:45:14 | 0:45:20 | |
But the two exist. | 0:45:32 | 0:45:34 | |
But I Know There's An Answer is what came out on the Pet Sounds issue. | 0:45:34 | 0:45:38 | |
It is my great suspicion that the experimentation that had to happen | 0:45:38 | 0:45:44 | |
for Brian to become the great artist that he was | 0:45:44 | 0:45:46 | |
had nothing to do with chemicals. | 0:45:46 | 0:45:48 | |
If drugs made you a genius, we'd have a lot more Pet Sounds, | 0:45:48 | 0:45:52 | |
and we do not. | 0:45:52 | 0:45:54 | |
He didn't necessarily explain what it was he was trying to do, | 0:45:54 | 0:45:59 | |
but he acknowledged that this was different stuff. | 0:45:59 | 0:46:01 | |
He said, "I don't want to keep doing the same stuff over and over." | 0:46:01 | 0:46:04 | |
If you went back and looked at all of The Beach Boys' stuff | 0:46:04 | 0:46:07 | |
that was created prior to that, there was a sameness to it. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:12 | |
And it was good, very good, and it wasn't like anybody was getting | 0:46:12 | 0:46:16 | |
tired of it, really, I don't think, | 0:46:16 | 0:46:19 | |
but, you know, what Mike said, "Don't fuck with the formula." | 0:46:19 | 0:46:23 | |
He said, "Why are we trying to...? | 0:46:23 | 0:46:25 | |
"We've got this great thing, and until somebody can show me that it's | 0:46:25 | 0:46:30 | |
"not working, why are we | 0:46:30 | 0:46:33 | |
"fumbling around trying to find something else?" | 0:46:33 | 0:46:35 | |
Well, that's not a crazy question, | 0:46:35 | 0:46:37 | |
I mean, that's a reasonable question to ask. | 0:46:37 | 0:46:41 | |
But Brian saw it a whole different way, which was, | 0:46:41 | 0:46:43 | |
"God, I've done that, it's boring, I'm tired of it." | 0:46:43 | 0:46:46 | |
And that was something that would never have occurred to Mike. | 0:46:46 | 0:46:49 | |
And he said, "Don't mess with the formula," | 0:46:49 | 0:46:51 | |
and I said, "I want to advance to a better music place." | 0:46:51 | 0:46:55 | |
We wouldn't have had as good an album if I didn't. You know? | 0:46:55 | 0:46:59 | |
Part of that, I think, led to me getting a bad rap for, | 0:46:59 | 0:47:06 | |
quote-unquote, not liking Pet Sounds or something, which is absolute... | 0:47:06 | 0:47:11 | |
You know, it's just an absolute falsehood. | 0:47:11 | 0:47:15 | |
Because not only did I name the album Pet Sounds, | 0:47:15 | 0:47:19 | |
and went with Brian to present it to Capitol Records, | 0:47:19 | 0:47:23 | |
but I sang on every single song that was sung on. | 0:47:23 | 0:47:27 | |
I was very satisfied. Tony was, too. | 0:47:27 | 0:47:29 | |
We both were. | 0:47:29 | 0:47:31 | |
We both thought we'd really achieved a good album. | 0:47:31 | 0:47:34 | |
Brian and I went off to Capitol Records to | 0:47:34 | 0:47:36 | |
play it for Karl Engemann, who was the A&R man for Capitol Records. | 0:47:36 | 0:47:41 | |
Capitol Records loved The Beach Boys. | 0:47:41 | 0:47:43 | |
I mean, they didn't criticise them in any way, except they thought that | 0:47:43 | 0:47:48 | |
maybe going in the direction that Pet Sounds wasn't something that... | 0:47:48 | 0:47:51 | |
It wasn't going to be as wonderful as | 0:47:51 | 0:47:54 | |
the hotrod records, | 0:47:54 | 0:47:56 | |
the surfing records, those kinds of things. | 0:47:56 | 0:47:58 | |
Well, I couldn't understand why they didn't like it. I said, "This is good music." | 0:47:58 | 0:48:02 | |
They said, "But it's not commercial music." | 0:48:02 | 0:48:04 | |
Brian thought it would never be released, | 0:48:04 | 0:48:06 | |
because Capitol wanted that surf thing, that's what was selling. | 0:48:06 | 0:48:12 | |
So they didn't release it, and a little bit later, | 0:48:12 | 0:48:14 | |
a few weeks later, they said, "OK, we'll release it." | 0:48:14 | 0:48:17 | |
So, they released it on the market, and it didn't sell very good. | 0:48:17 | 0:48:21 | |
It hadn't gone the same height on the charts as some of the prior | 0:48:21 | 0:48:25 | |
records, so Capitol, right away, in order to make quota, | 0:48:25 | 0:48:29 | |
they went and put out a Best Of The Beach Boys. | 0:48:29 | 0:48:32 | |
We were in competition with our history. | 0:48:32 | 0:48:35 | |
The faith of the label was right there, everybody. | 0:48:35 | 0:48:37 | |
"We have Pet Sounds out! | 0:48:37 | 0:48:39 | |
"By the way, we're going to put out Best Of The Beach Boys, Volume One." | 0:48:39 | 0:48:43 | |
Can you believe that? | 0:48:43 | 0:48:45 | |
It's just so asinine. | 0:48:45 | 0:48:47 | |
And it didn't do as well as some of the other albums, | 0:48:47 | 0:48:49 | |
and it might have if there had been more of a spirit | 0:48:49 | 0:48:52 | |
within the company of, "No, this is great and we're going to | 0:48:52 | 0:48:55 | |
"push this thing and take it right to where it should be." | 0:48:55 | 0:48:57 | |
Well, it's not what we were expecting. I would say we were actually grateful for that. | 0:48:57 | 0:49:01 | |
My God, you know. Why do you want only what people expect, you know? | 0:49:01 | 0:49:04 | |
That's... How sad, you know, that is. | 0:49:04 | 0:49:06 | |
They just didn't understand it, you know. | 0:49:06 | 0:49:09 | |
The direction... | 0:49:09 | 0:49:10 | |
They didn't know what to do with it. They're a marketing firm. | 0:49:10 | 0:49:14 | |
How do you market The Beach Boys with Pet Sounds? | 0:49:14 | 0:49:17 | |
"Well, we'll send you down to the San Diego Zoo | 0:49:17 | 0:49:19 | |
"and we'll photograph you with a bunch of damned goats." | 0:49:19 | 0:49:22 | |
I mean, what's that all about? | 0:49:22 | 0:49:24 | |
That was the biggest miscarriage of justice of all. | 0:49:24 | 0:49:27 | |
MUSIC: Pet Sounds by The Beach Boys | 0:49:27 | 0:49:29 | |
After the album was mixed, Bruce is off to England. | 0:50:17 | 0:50:22 | |
I took two copies of Pet Sounds with me. | 0:50:22 | 0:50:25 | |
With the sole intention of promoting the album | 0:50:25 | 0:50:29 | |
and playing it to people for the first time. | 0:50:29 | 0:50:31 | |
You know, and Derek Taylor was our publicist, | 0:50:31 | 0:50:33 | |
and he just set up about 25 interviews for me. | 0:50:33 | 0:50:38 | |
I got to meet him at the Waldorf Hotel. | 0:50:38 | 0:50:41 | |
Journalists came over. | 0:50:41 | 0:50:43 | |
I think that's where I met Keith Altham. | 0:50:43 | 0:50:45 | |
And one of his people came and said, | 0:50:45 | 0:50:48 | |
"Oh, Lennon and McCartney are in your room. | 0:50:48 | 0:50:51 | |
"They want to hear the album. Can you go up and play it to them?" | 0:50:51 | 0:50:54 | |
I played them the album, and they heard it two times, | 0:50:54 | 0:50:58 | |
and they were delightful. | 0:50:58 | 0:51:00 | |
And he played it to them twice. They loved it. | 0:51:00 | 0:51:02 | |
Paul McCartney said God Only Knows was the perfect song. | 0:51:02 | 0:51:05 | |
STUDIO RECORDING: This will be take one. Take one. God Only Knows. | 0:51:05 | 0:51:11 | |
One, two... | 0:51:11 | 0:51:14 | |
INSTRUMENTAL TRACK | 0:51:14 | 0:51:17 | |
Nice. Nice, Don... | 0:51:19 | 0:51:21 | |
OK, could we go to the spot where the ba-dah, duh-dah, doo-doo-doo... | 0:51:39 | 0:51:45 | |
That spot? | 0:51:45 | 0:51:46 | |
Well, that part was... | 0:51:46 | 0:51:48 | |
HE PLAYS LONG NOTES | 0:51:48 | 0:51:54 | |
And it was bothering Brian. | 0:51:54 | 0:51:56 | |
And we had done it a number of times. | 0:51:56 | 0:51:59 | |
And my suggestion was, | 0:51:59 | 0:52:01 | |
"Brian, why don't we play it short?" | 0:52:01 | 0:52:03 | |
He said, "What do you mean?" | 0:52:03 | 0:52:05 | |
HE PLAYS SHORTER NOTES | 0:52:05 | 0:52:09 | |
Almost pizzicato. | 0:52:09 | 0:52:10 | |
-Brian? -Yeah. | 0:52:10 | 0:52:11 | |
Why don't we do it short, like this? | 0:52:11 | 0:52:14 | |
HE PLAYS TACK PIANO | 0:52:14 | 0:52:17 | |
We'll try it. | 0:52:22 | 0:52:25 | |
Yeah, I remember that. | 0:52:26 | 0:52:27 | |
Bom-bap! Yeah. | 0:52:27 | 0:52:30 | |
-Don Randi kind of came up with that... -Right. -..to play it staccato. | 0:52:30 | 0:52:34 | |
It's so musical that it's a pleasure to play with it. | 0:52:34 | 0:52:38 | |
I don't think Brian ever realised that what he was doing was | 0:52:38 | 0:52:41 | |
so incredibly wonderful. | 0:52:41 | 0:52:44 | |
God Only Knows makes a deep love song, because Tony Asher had | 0:52:44 | 0:52:47 | |
a lot of love and his heart, and he wrote great love lyrics. | 0:52:47 | 0:52:50 | |
A match made in heaven for those two. | 0:52:50 | 0:52:53 | |
The could evolve something like that into such perfection. | 0:52:53 | 0:52:58 | |
One of the greatest love songs of all time begins with | 0:52:58 | 0:53:00 | |
"I may not always love you," which is, you know, | 0:53:00 | 0:53:02 | |
the antithesis of what people want in a love song. | 0:53:02 | 0:53:06 | |
We held each other up to a certain standard, and said, | 0:53:06 | 0:53:09 | |
"You know, we don't want to do that same old stuff, | 0:53:09 | 0:53:12 | |
another love song, "I love you because..." You know, whatever. | 0:53:12 | 0:53:15 | |
So, that's how... | 0:53:15 | 0:53:17 | |
When I would come up with a line like "I may not always love you," | 0:53:18 | 0:53:23 | |
Brian might have said at the time, | 0:53:23 | 0:53:28 | |
"What?" You know. | 0:53:28 | 0:53:30 | |
But he would only have said it once. | 0:53:30 | 0:53:31 | |
And if I said, "Don't worry about it, Brian, that's a good line," he would have said, "OK," | 0:53:31 | 0:53:35 | |
and then he would listen to it a few times and say, "Yeah, I like it." | 0:53:35 | 0:53:38 | |
I think "I may not always love you" was the great line that he wrote. | 0:53:38 | 0:53:42 | |
# I may not always love you | 0:53:42 | 0:53:46 | |
# But long as there are stars above you | 0:53:46 | 0:53:50 | |
# You'll never need to doubt it | 0:53:50 | 0:53:54 | |
# I'll make you so sure about it | 0:53:54 | 0:53:59 | |
# God only knows what I'd be without you... # | 0:53:59 | 0:54:05 | |
I'm surprised Brian didn't sing it himself. | 0:54:05 | 0:54:08 | |
But he wanted Carl to have it. | 0:54:08 | 0:54:11 | |
# Though life would still go on, believe me | 0:54:11 | 0:54:15 | |
# The world could show nothing to me | 0:54:15 | 0:54:19 | |
# So what good would living do me | 0:54:19 | 0:54:23 | |
# God only knows what I'd be without you... # | 0:54:23 | 0:54:29 | |
Carl had an ethereal voice. Beautiful. | 0:54:29 | 0:54:32 | |
Brian understood the great character of the voices in The Beach Boys, | 0:54:32 | 0:54:37 | |
and wrote to those characters beautifully. | 0:54:37 | 0:54:40 | |
And it's not like Brian was the best voice for all of his songs. | 0:54:40 | 0:54:44 | |
I remember when I first ever heard the record of God Only Knows, | 0:54:44 | 0:54:49 | |
when that came out, I was blown away. | 0:54:49 | 0:54:51 | |
Again, the harmonies, the intricacy of the arrangements. | 0:54:51 | 0:54:55 | |
It was wonderful, and to actually be asked to go on tour with them | 0:54:55 | 0:54:58 | |
was a thrill. | 0:54:58 | 0:54:59 | |
And now come the backgrounds. | 0:54:59 | 0:55:02 | |
ISOLATED HARMONY BACKING VOCALS | 0:55:02 | 0:55:07 | |
# God only knows what I'd be without you | 0:55:17 | 0:55:23 | |
# If you should ever leave me | 0:55:25 | 0:55:28 | |
# Though life would still go on, believe me | 0:55:28 | 0:55:32 | |
# The world could show nothing to me | 0:55:32 | 0:55:36 | |
# So what good would living do me? | 0:55:36 | 0:55:41 | |
# God only knows what I'd be without you... # | 0:55:41 | 0:55:47 | |
I think they liked the lyrics, | 0:55:47 | 0:55:49 | |
because it's a great love song and a great love lyric. | 0:55:49 | 0:55:51 | |
They all told me they liked it. They said, "I love this song!" | 0:55:51 | 0:55:54 | |
They told me that. | 0:55:54 | 0:55:56 | |
There's Bruce. | 0:55:56 | 0:55:57 | |
-# God only knows what I'd be without you... -# | 0:56:02 | 0:56:05 | |
And there's the part you didn't use. | 0:56:05 | 0:56:07 | |
-Bam-bop-bop... -Right. | 0:56:07 | 0:56:09 | |
Although I always liked it. | 0:56:10 | 0:56:12 | |
-I didn't use that. -No. | 0:56:12 | 0:56:14 | |
The first time I really got what he was doing was God Only Knows. | 0:56:14 | 0:56:19 | |
We talked about... | 0:56:20 | 0:56:21 | |
something very esoteric, within, like a family, | 0:56:23 | 0:56:26 | |
a brother has a secret but allows you to know it in an art form. | 0:56:26 | 0:56:30 | |
He was able to organise his thoughts to a point where they were | 0:56:30 | 0:56:36 | |
hypnotic, but yet entertaining, meaningful, and spiritual, too. | 0:56:36 | 0:56:41 | |
For want of a better phrase, it's where rock and roll | 0:56:41 | 0:56:43 | |
becomes a religious experience. | 0:56:43 | 0:56:45 | |
This sentiment in it, that he has in it, towards... | 0:56:45 | 0:56:49 | |
God only knows how much I love you, you know, only God knows, | 0:56:49 | 0:56:52 | |
because it's a feeling within myself, | 0:56:52 | 0:56:54 | |
that nobody else can know except God. | 0:56:54 | 0:56:57 | |
# God only knows what I'd be without you | 0:56:57 | 0:57:02 | |
# God only knows what I'd be without you | 0:57:02 | 0:57:05 | |
# God only knows... # | 0:57:05 | 0:57:06 | |
# God only knows what I'd be without you... # | 0:57:06 | 0:57:09 | |
I was so inspired that I wrote a great album. | 0:57:09 | 0:57:12 | |
I knew people would like it. I knew they would. | 0:57:12 | 0:57:14 | |
Half a century later, we're still reckoning with this record | 0:57:14 | 0:57:17 | |
because Brian went as deep as pop music can go. | 0:57:17 | 0:57:23 | |
It put the standards up. | 0:57:23 | 0:57:25 | |
It said, "This is how good it can be, and you better go away and think | 0:57:25 | 0:57:28 | |
"about it, Mr Lennon and McCartney, | 0:57:28 | 0:57:31 | |
"Mr Jagger and Richards, Mr Townshend. | 0:57:31 | 0:57:33 | |
"You better go away and think about what you're doing next, | 0:57:33 | 0:57:36 | |
"because it could be this good." | 0:57:36 | 0:57:38 | |
It was... | 0:57:38 | 0:57:40 | |
Something that hadn't been done before, | 0:57:40 | 0:57:43 | |
and everything else came after that. | 0:57:43 | 0:57:45 | |
It took 20 years for it to go platinum. | 0:57:45 | 0:57:47 | |
It was ridiculous how long it took. | 0:57:47 | 0:57:50 | |
And yet, at the same time, it was regarded so highly. | 0:57:50 | 0:57:53 | |
One of the great albums of all time, | 0:57:53 | 0:57:55 | |
maybe the greatest album of all time. | 0:57:55 | 0:57:57 | |
It's a piece of art. | 0:57:57 | 0:57:59 | |
Sonic art, vocal art, that'll last forever. | 0:57:59 | 0:58:02 | |
It has everything in it. | 0:58:02 | 0:58:04 | |
It has really fabulous chord structures, arrangements, | 0:58:04 | 0:58:08 | |
performance, great songs to sing. | 0:58:08 | 0:58:11 | |
Yeah, he did something in Pet Sounds, all right. | 0:58:13 | 0:58:15 | |
He opened the door for a lot of people. | 0:58:15 | 0:58:18 | |
But especially me. | 0:58:18 | 0:58:20 | |
A lot of people are uplifted by it. | 0:58:20 | 0:58:22 | |
He grew immensely during that time, | 0:58:22 | 0:58:25 | |
and he's being rewarded for it now, 50 years later. | 0:58:25 | 0:58:28 | |
Isn't that nice? | 0:58:28 | 0:58:29 | |
My love for music inspires me. | 0:58:29 | 0:58:32 | |
I love music. | 0:58:32 | 0:58:33 | |
# I had to prove that I could make it alone now | 0:58:33 | 0:58:37 | |
# But that's not me | 0:58:37 | 0:58:41 | |
# I wanted to show how independent I'd grown now | 0:58:41 | 0:58:45 | |
# But that's not me | 0:58:45 | 0:58:50 | |
# I could try to be big in the eyes of the world | 0:58:50 | 0:58:54 | |
# What matters to me is what I could be | 0:58:54 | 0:58:58 | |
# To just one girl... # | 0:58:58 | 0:59:02 |