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Tomorrow, Prince Philip, the Duke of Edinburgh, will turn 90. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
After standing at the Queen's side for nearly 60 years, | 0:00:09 | 0:00:13 | |
he's recognised the world over, | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
and has become the longest-serving consort in British history. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:20 | |
But who exactly is the Duke? | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
On the distant Pacific island of Tanna, | 0:00:25 | 0:00:28 | |
the islanders think he's a god. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
A status reinforced by a series of photographs, | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
some sent by the Duke himself. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
Here, at home, his status is rather more down to earth. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
He's familiar as the man who always stands two steps behind the Queen, | 0:00:46 | 0:00:51 | |
just occasionally with his foot in his mouth. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
'But the true picture of the Duke is more interesting, | 0:00:56 | 0:01:00 | |
'more complex and more surprising.' | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
I've been observing the Duke at various events over the last six months, | 0:01:03 | 0:01:07 | |
and the mythology surrounding him is extraordinary. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
For a start, most people think he's Greek. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:12 | |
He's not. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:14 | |
Most people think his life is limited to shaking hands on official visits. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:18 | |
It isn't. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:20 | |
Most people think he's irascible, | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
with an unfortunate tendency to say the wrong thing. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
Well, maybe some of that's true. But one thing's certain - | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
he doesn't suffer fools gladly, | 0:01:28 | 0:01:29 | |
and he has a fearsome reputation when it comes to interviews. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
I'm on my way now to talk to him about his life and career, | 0:01:32 | 0:01:36 | |
and I must admit, I'm feeling a little bit terrified. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
He's formidable. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:56 | |
He's daunting, partly because of his position, | 0:01:56 | 0:02:01 | |
but also because he is a very considerable intellect. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:06 | |
The first time I met him it was absolutely clear | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
that if you turned up and you hadn't mastered the papers | 0:02:09 | 0:02:13 | |
he would detect it very quickly and you would be in trouble! | 0:02:13 | 0:02:17 | |
Get him on a bad day and it's quite hard work. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:23 | |
Get him on a good day, and you don't want to be with anybody else. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:28 | |
I hope you have a good day. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:31 | |
My father, purely and simply, is very modest about himself | 0:02:32 | 0:02:36 | |
and doesn't believe in talking about himself. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:38 | |
One of his best pieces of advice is, | 0:02:38 | 0:02:40 | |
"Talk about everything else, don't talk about yourself. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
"Nobody's interested in you." | 0:02:43 | 0:02:45 | |
Meeting him is rather extraordinary, because you get the impression | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
of meeting a bird of prey, a hawk or an eagle. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
There's something penetrating about the eyes. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
You feel you're being sort of scanned. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
You raise your game. You rather hope he'll like you. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:04 | |
What I really want to know is whether these perceptions of the Duke are in any way accurate. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:12 | |
'The Duke of Edinburgh has been seen in many roles. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:39 | |
'He was the dashing naval officer who wooed a princess... | 0:03:40 | 0:03:45 | |
'..the moderniser at the heart of the 20th-century monarchy, | 0:03:46 | 0:03:51 | |
'the man who created the Duke of Edinburgh's Award, | 0:03:51 | 0:03:55 | |
'and the champion of the early environmental movement.' | 0:03:55 | 0:03:59 | |
-I present Fiona Bruce. -Your Royal Highness... | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
'But as the Duke approaches his milestone birthday, | 0:04:04 | 0:04:07 | |
'what intrigues me is how he shows so little sign of slowing down. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:11 | |
'Still a force of nature.' | 0:04:11 | 0:04:13 | |
-Um... You're 90 this year. Do you...? -Well done! | 0:04:15 | 0:04:20 | |
I know, I've managed to do my maths! | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
Could you say there are any things that... | 0:04:22 | 0:04:24 | |
that, above all the things you've done, | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
that you are particularly proud of | 0:04:27 | 0:04:30 | |
or that you would like people to think of as your greatest achievements? | 0:04:30 | 0:04:34 | |
No, that's asking... No, that's asking too much. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
But the role that you have to an extent carved out for yourself... | 0:04:37 | 0:04:40 | |
I think the perception is that you've made a huge success of it, I mean... | 0:04:40 | 0:04:44 | |
-Splendid, if that's what you think. -Is that what you think? | 0:04:44 | 0:04:48 | |
I couldn't care less! HE CHUCKLES | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
Who cares what I think about it? I mean, it's ridiculous. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:54 | |
-But of course, of course we care! -No. It isn't. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
There must be few figures in the public eye | 0:04:59 | 0:05:01 | |
who are as reluctant as the Duke | 0:05:01 | 0:05:03 | |
to trumpet their own achievements. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:06 | |
Modest and to the point, | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
this bird of prey is always alert to what is going on around him. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:13 | |
The Queen and the Duke certainly do seem particularly at ease here, | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
it was the Duke himself who decided | 0:05:16 | 0:05:18 | |
that they should spend the actual day of their anniversary on Malta. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:22 | |
For this very private of public couples, quite a romantic gesture. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:27 | |
Finished? SHE LAUGHS | 0:05:29 | 0:05:33 | |
How are you, sir? | 0:05:33 | 0:05:34 | |
-Are you well, sir? -Well, do I look ill? | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
That rather bittersweet relationship with the media | 0:05:37 | 0:05:41 | |
has become familiar, almost a caricature. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
And yet there was a time | 0:05:46 | 0:05:47 | |
when he embraced the power of television with open arms. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:51 | |
In the '50s and '60s, he was a pioneer in the new era | 0:05:51 | 0:05:55 | |
of mass communication, pushing a slightly dusty monarchy into the modern age. | 0:05:55 | 0:06:01 | |
In 1955, an informal Duke was filmed playing "sorcerer's apprentice" | 0:06:05 | 0:06:10 | |
with Tommy Cooper, at the Variety Club. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:13 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
He went on to become the first member of the Royal Family | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
to give a TV interview... | 0:06:21 | 0:06:23 | |
What you're really out to do is to change the way of thinking. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
We know perfectly well that people in this country | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
have got a remarkable talent for things if they learn how to do them. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
..and, in 1957, the first to present his own television show. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:38 | |
40 minutes to get round the world. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:40 | |
Well, it's going to be a bit of a rush. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
It may leave you a little bit muddled, | 0:06:43 | 0:06:45 | |
but I don't think it matters very much. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:47 | |
In this programme, | 0:06:47 | 0:06:49 | |
the Duke discussed the highlights of his recent world tour. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
It's a dried one. This is the nut, so to speak, | 0:06:52 | 0:06:54 | |
rather like a dried coconut. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
A very peculiar shape, as you can see. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
And of course people think that's the forbidden fruit. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:05 | |
I tasted one rather like that, | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
it's a sort of jelly inside, | 0:07:08 | 0:07:09 | |
and I can tell you it's... I'm not surprised it's forbidden. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
Later that year, he was asked to present a rather more | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
scientific film on the geophysics of the planet. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
It was called the Restless Sphere. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
And now to the most important of all, the atmosphere | 0:07:23 | 0:07:26 | |
and the sun. This inner ring here shows the upper limit of our weather | 0:07:26 | 0:07:32 | |
and the clouds. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:33 | |
'I was the anchorman for the thing, which was fascinating,' | 0:07:33 | 0:07:38 | |
and I had to introduce each little section. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
I did, but it was the hottest day of the year | 0:07:41 | 0:07:45 | |
and I managed to get out of the studio while the bits in-between were going on | 0:07:45 | 0:07:49 | |
to cool down, came back, turned over two pages of script | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
and left somebody out who was at the top of Mont Blanc waiting to be introduced. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:56 | |
Which was a bit awkward. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:58 | |
I suspect... You know, people's memories are short, | 0:07:58 | 0:08:00 | |
and I suspect many people now will either not know | 0:08:00 | 0:08:03 | |
because they'll be too young or they may not remember that you, you know, | 0:08:03 | 0:08:07 | |
you did that kind of thing, that you did a press conference, that television programme, | 0:08:07 | 0:08:12 | |
because I can't imagine you wanting to do anything like that now, | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
-or even in the last 15, 20 years. -How very perceptive of you! | 0:08:15 | 0:08:19 | |
-What's changed? -I didn't want to do this either! | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
-You didn't want to do this interview? -No! | 0:08:22 | 0:08:26 | |
-So what made you... -Since you ask! -What made you say yes? | 0:08:26 | 0:08:31 | |
Well, I don't know, it was... It was, I don't know, | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
it was part of the business, I suppose, there was an inevitability about it. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:38 | |
Following his early forays into television in the 1950s, | 0:08:43 | 0:08:47 | |
the Duke saw the potential of using this modern means of communication. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:52 | |
In 1968, his cousin-in-law, Lord Brabourne, | 0:08:53 | 0:08:57 | |
a television producer himself, proposed a documentary which | 0:08:57 | 0:09:00 | |
would show the Royal Family as it had never been seen before. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:04 | |
My husband, John Brabourne, | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
was certainly very enthusiastic at the idea of being able to show, | 0:09:08 | 0:09:14 | |
er, the Royal Family as being natural and normal | 0:09:14 | 0:09:20 | |
and doing a lot of things that everybody else in the country does | 0:09:20 | 0:09:25 | |
as ordinary people, as Mr and Mrs, and not King, Queen and Prince Philip. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:30 | |
-VOICE ON TV: -'Naughty or not, they get a lot of experience...' | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
Prince Philip agreed, and a film simply entitled Royal Family | 0:09:33 | 0:09:37 | |
was made, broadcast on the 21st June, 1969. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:41 | |
It was very much his idea. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:46 | |
I think at the time he was trying to puncture the mystique | 0:09:46 | 0:09:50 | |
and the subservient nonsense that surrounded the Royal Family | 0:09:50 | 0:09:54 | |
and to say, "Look, we're a family, you know, with all the strengths | 0:09:54 | 0:09:58 | |
"and weaknesses of a family, and we're a modern family," | 0:09:58 | 0:10:01 | |
which they were in the '60s, in that sense. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:03 | |
He did have some very strange habits, your father. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
I remember, I used to come up to the lodge, I asked when I arrived | 0:10:06 | 0:10:10 | |
and said, "Where's the King?" They said, "Oh, he's in the garden." | 0:10:10 | 0:10:14 | |
And I went out, and there's nothing to be seen | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
except for a lot of terribly rude words and language | 0:10:17 | 0:10:19 | |
coming out of a rhododendron bush. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:21 | |
I eventually found him there, hacking away, | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
wearing a bearskin cap! Getting... LAUGHTER | 0:10:24 | 0:10:28 | |
Although overall control was in the hands of the Palace, | 0:10:29 | 0:10:32 | |
some insiders were said to have considerable reservations, | 0:10:32 | 0:10:36 | |
as did the then-head of BBC Two, David Attenborough. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:40 | |
The whole concept of royalty is a mysterious one | 0:10:40 | 0:10:44 | |
and not a logical one. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:46 | |
It depends on the proposition that the monarch, er, | 0:10:46 | 0:10:51 | |
is different from us. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:53 | |
Now, if you then say, no, no, no, they're exactly like everybody else, | 0:10:55 | 0:10:59 | |
they fry sausages and they get up in the morning | 0:10:59 | 0:11:01 | |
and they're occasionally bad-tempered and, you know, | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
and do all the rest of the things that the rest of us do, for the moment, | 0:11:04 | 0:11:08 | |
there's a frisson - everybody says, "Oooh, good Lord, | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
"he's holding a frying pan, how astounding!" | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
-The salad is ready. -Good. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:18 | |
But, in the end, if you're not very careful, you diminish | 0:11:18 | 0:11:22 | |
the stature of royalty. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:23 | |
I think the fact that it probably was a division amongst | 0:11:23 | 0:11:28 | |
the Royal Family as to whether it was good or bad is an indication | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
of the fact that you were on a very sharp knife edge. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
This one's fine. Did you mean to do that? | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
-Oh, Andrew! -Come round this side. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
Did you think it was a good idea once it had gone out? | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
-Were you pleased with it? -Well, it... Yes, it went down quite well. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:50 | |
I mean, I think it's achieved a sort of curious status now | 0:11:50 | 0:11:54 | |
which it never had at the time. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:56 | |
Well, there's a certain mythology about it, I think. | 0:11:56 | 0:11:59 | |
Some people have felt that it rather opened the sort of door to the press, in terms of... | 0:11:59 | 0:12:03 | |
We don't belong to a secret society! | 0:12:03 | 0:12:05 | |
I mean, I don't see why people shouldn't know what's going on. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
-But presumably... -Much better that they should know than speculate. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:12 | |
But presumably there also has to be a limit as well as to how intrusive... | 0:12:12 | 0:12:16 | |
Well, yes, we didn't invite them into the bathroom. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:20 | |
I mean...! | 0:12:20 | 0:12:22 | |
People have judgment! | 0:12:22 | 0:12:24 | |
Do you think it's become too intrusive now, though, | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
the media interest in the... in yourself, in the Royal Family? | 0:12:27 | 0:12:31 | |
It's, it's... It's natural. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
I mean... | 0:12:34 | 0:12:35 | |
But, yes, I mean... | 0:12:36 | 0:12:38 | |
The media is a professional intruder, I mean, it wouldn't... | 0:12:42 | 0:12:47 | |
It wouldn't work if it did... That's what it's doing all the time. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:51 | |
So you can't complain about it. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:54 | |
Evidently, the Duke is a man who just gets on with life, | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
rather than making a fuss. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
His enthusiasm for the Royal Family film was the mark of a moderniser, | 0:13:03 | 0:13:08 | |
very much at odds with his public image today. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
HE SQUEALS AND SHOUTS | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
Whatever effect the film may have had later in encouraging | 0:13:14 | 0:13:18 | |
the public's curiosity with the Royal Family, his daring venture was | 0:13:18 | 0:13:22 | |
a huge success, seen by a worldwide audience of 350 million people. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:28 | |
But its cosy portrait of family life was about as far as you can get | 0:13:30 | 0:13:34 | |
from the Duke's own formative years. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:37 | |
Prince Philippos Schleswig Holstein Sonderburg Glucksburg | 0:13:41 | 0:13:45 | |
was born on the kitchen table on the 10th June, 1921, | 0:13:45 | 0:13:49 | |
on the Mediterranean island of Corfu. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
How would you describe yourself? | 0:13:53 | 0:13:55 | |
Well, I'm Greek, well, I was born a Greek national. | 0:13:55 | 0:14:00 | |
-But I was Danish by race. -And how do you think of yourself now? | 0:14:00 | 0:14:05 | |
I don't, I'm just here! | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
The Greek Royal Family were not Greek. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:15 | |
They had been imported from Denmark in the 19th century, | 0:14:15 | 0:14:19 | |
and their reign was a troubled one. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
In 1922, just over a year after Philip was born, his father, | 0:14:22 | 0:14:26 | |
Prince Andrew, was arrested by the Greek military government. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:30 | |
He was charged with treason and narrowly escaped the firing squad. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:34 | |
He and his family were then exiled. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:36 | |
Philip spent his childhood living in France, in England and in Germany. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:42 | |
Where did you call home when you were growing up? | 0:14:45 | 0:14:47 | |
Wherever I happened to be. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
I had a very extended family. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:52 | |
You say I went to all these places, it was always with family. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
Did it never feel unsettling, the fact that you were moving around so much? | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
Well, I just lived my life. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
I mean... I haven't been trying to psychoanalyse myself all the time. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:06 | |
By the early 1930s, Philip's parents' marriage had broken down. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:13 | |
His mother retreated to a sanatorium in Switzerland | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
while his father moved away to a small flat in Monte Carlo. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:20 | |
Philip was to have only sporadic contact with either | 0:15:20 | 0:15:23 | |
for the rest of his childhood. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:25 | |
And as if that was not enough, | 0:15:26 | 0:15:28 | |
Philip's four sisters then all married, | 0:15:28 | 0:15:30 | |
within just nine months of each other, and moved to Germany. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:34 | |
Aged just ten years old, Prince Philip was separated | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
from every member of his immediate family. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:41 | |
What's your memory of that time? Do you...? Was that a difficult...? | 0:15:43 | 0:15:47 | |
Well, I came here and I went to school here | 0:15:47 | 0:15:49 | |
and my grandmother lived here so it was... | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
I was in with the family, it was no great deal. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:57 | |
I mean, some people might... | 0:15:57 | 0:15:58 | |
Well, some people might - I'm telling you what I felt! | 0:15:58 | 0:16:01 | |
I think one of the reasons that Prince Philip won't talk | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
about his childhood is that he's spent a lifetime | 0:16:06 | 0:16:08 | |
actually blocking it out. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:10 | |
He lost literally everybody. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
He therefore became very self-reliant. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:15 | |
He keeps himself to himself. He protects himself, | 0:16:15 | 0:16:19 | |
and simply says, "What's there to complain about? | 0:16:19 | 0:16:21 | |
"You know, these things happen." | 0:16:21 | 0:16:23 | |
In 1934, Prince Philip, aged 13, | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
went to Gordonstoun School in Scotland. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
The school was founded by the German-Jewish refugee Kurt Hahn. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:41 | |
He was a remarkable character. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:43 | |
He was vaguely eccentric, I suppose, but he was an absolute genius with people, | 0:16:43 | 0:16:47 | |
and he had the extraordinary ability | 0:16:47 | 0:16:51 | |
to comprehend teenagers better than they did themselves, I think. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:56 | |
Hahn had progressive ideas on education, | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
believing in the power of the great outdoors, in fitness, | 0:17:01 | 0:17:05 | |
self-discipline, and service to the community. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
These principles were to be hugely influential on Prince Philip throughout his life. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:14 | |
My old headmaster Hahn said, "My boy, I want you to run an award scheme." | 0:17:16 | 0:17:22 | |
And I said, "Well, yes, sir, but... you know, I can't do it by myself." | 0:17:22 | 0:17:26 | |
and I said, "If you can get a committee of the great and the good together, | 0:17:26 | 0:17:31 | |
"I'll chair it, if you like." That's what happened. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
The Duke of Edinburgh's Award, or DofE, was launched in 1956, | 0:17:38 | 0:17:42 | |
and based on Kurt Hahn's philosophy. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:45 | |
Give young people a chance to discover their own abilities for themselves | 0:17:45 | 0:17:50 | |
as an introduction to the responsibilities and interests of the grown-up world. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:55 | |
And, incidentally, to make new friends and have a great deal of fun | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
and satisfaction in the process. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:00 | |
'Even today, he is as dedicated as ever to the DofE, | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
'visiting young people all over the country.' | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
-You climb this? -Yeah. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:21 | |
Have you done anything else? | 0:18:21 | 0:18:23 | |
I helped out at my swimming club. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:25 | |
-Oh. No-one drown? -Pardon? | 0:18:25 | 0:18:27 | |
-No-one's drowned? -No, no-one drowned. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:29 | |
THEY LAUGH Well, good. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:31 | |
'They're invited to choose things which they probably haven't done before.' | 0:18:31 | 0:18:35 | |
HE LAUGHS I don't believe it. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
They set their own programme, and I think that in some way encourages them to go on with it, | 0:18:38 | 0:18:42 | |
because they're challenging themselves, | 0:18:42 | 0:18:45 | |
not doing it at somebody else's behest, | 0:18:45 | 0:18:47 | |
and they choose the things they want to do. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:49 | |
Very often they're things which they think might interest them, | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
but nearly always it's a new experience. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:55 | |
Three years ago, a prisoner at Reading Young Offender's Institution, Jon Watts, | 0:18:59 | 0:19:04 | |
was offered the chance to change his life, | 0:19:04 | 0:19:06 | |
when he was invited to take part in the DofE. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:10 | |
When I was at school I'd heard about the DofE, | 0:19:10 | 0:19:12 | |
but my perception was that it wasn't for people like me, | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
it was for a higher class of people. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
All I knew about the Duke of Edinburgh before I was in prison | 0:19:18 | 0:19:20 | |
was that he was married to the Queen | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
and he was famous for saying rude things to a lot of foreign people. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
But in spite of Jon's early impression of the Duke and his award, | 0:19:29 | 0:19:33 | |
he has, while in prison, completed the bronze, silver and gold awards. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:37 | |
What Jon has done whilst in custody is truly remarkable. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:43 | |
He is an inspiration, not just to his peers, fellow young offenders, | 0:19:43 | 0:19:47 | |
but to staff. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:49 | |
You know, for somebody to actually do the full set, the bronze, | 0:19:49 | 0:19:54 | |
the silver and the gold whilst in custody, it hasn't been done before. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:58 | |
Back in April, a few weeks before his release from prison, | 0:20:03 | 0:20:06 | |
Jon received his gold award at a presentation ceremony | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
at St James's Palace in London. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:11 | |
While there he met the Duke, who asked him about his community service. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:18 | |
What did you do for your service? | 0:20:18 | 0:20:20 | |
For my service I worked alongside the Samaritans. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
-The Samaritans? -Yeah. -Oh. You didn't try committing suicide, did you? | 0:20:23 | 0:20:27 | |
I didn't, no. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:29 | |
'It turns out the Duke of Edinburgh is a real inspiration. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
'It's because of him that I am able to change my life.' | 0:20:32 | 0:20:34 | |
People say to me that your life in prison is lost. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:38 | |
However, if I can come out of prison with a DofE gold award | 0:20:38 | 0:20:40 | |
I can show them that and say, "It's not lost." | 0:20:40 | 0:20:44 | |
Did you all do your expedition...? | 0:20:44 | 0:20:46 | |
'I think he goes on being amazed by the numbers of young people that want to do it.' | 0:20:46 | 0:20:50 | |
The DofE has continued to grow, and there are young people coming in | 0:20:50 | 0:20:54 | |
from all sorts of backgrounds now | 0:20:54 | 0:20:55 | |
that perhaps would never have been possible when it started. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
What did you do? | 0:20:58 | 0:21:00 | |
I was a mentor for young pupils in a school. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:02 | |
Led them astray, did you? | 0:21:02 | 0:21:06 | |
Not quite! | 0:21:06 | 0:21:07 | |
Are you proud of the Duke of Edinburgh Award scheme | 0:21:07 | 0:21:10 | |
and the numbers that have gone through it and what it's achieved? | 0:21:10 | 0:21:13 | |
I've got no reason to be proud of it. I mean, I think it's satisfying | 0:21:13 | 0:21:17 | |
that we've set up a formula that works. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:21 | |
Erm... | 0:21:21 | 0:21:22 | |
Yes, I mean, that's it. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:26 | |
Why do say there's no reason to be proud of it? | 0:21:26 | 0:21:30 | |
Well, I don't run it, I mean, I don't, I don't... | 0:21:30 | 0:21:34 | |
I've said it's all fairly second-hand, the whole business. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:38 | |
I mean, I eventually got landed with the responsibility, or the credit for it, but, er... | 0:21:38 | 0:21:44 | |
And of course it has your name. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:46 | |
Well, that was strictly against my better judgment. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:50 | |
I tried to avoid it, but I was eventually overridden. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:54 | |
And did you all...? | 0:21:54 | 0:21:57 | |
There are hundreds and hundreds of people whose lives have been turned around. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
I think that this is one of the greatest achievements | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
of his life, you know, | 0:22:03 | 0:22:04 | |
to set up the Duke of Edinburgh's Award scheme, because, erm... | 0:22:04 | 0:22:08 | |
This sort of set a benchmark. This is a real gift to the nation. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:14 | |
If the DofE is the Duke's greatest achievement, | 0:22:18 | 0:22:21 | |
it was probably his time on the high seas that made him the man he is today. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:26 | |
In 1939, Prince Philip arrived at Dartmouth Naval College, | 0:22:28 | 0:22:33 | |
set on a career in the Royal Navy. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:35 | |
We're all the sum of our past. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:37 | |
I mean, Prince Philip reflects his childhood, his upbringing, | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
but most of all, I think, at the heart of Prince Philip, | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
is his time in the Navy. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:44 | |
From the age of 18, he was a professional sailor. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
While at Dartmouth, Philip was also to meet his future wife. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:54 | |
In July 1939, the King and Queen visited the college with their two daughters. | 0:22:56 | 0:23:00 | |
Philip was chosen as the young princesses' escort. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:07 | |
Princess Elizabeth, then only 13 years old, | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
was said to taken an immediate shine to the handsome prince. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:15 | |
Well, I think it was love at first sight according to her. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:20 | |
And she told her father's authorised biographer | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
that he was allowed to say so. So that must be so. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
Although it wasn't the first time that they'd seen each other, | 0:23:26 | 0:23:30 | |
because Prince Philip used to go and stay with his aunt, | 0:23:30 | 0:23:34 | |
the Duchess of Kent, and so they would be at, you know, parties. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:39 | |
I think that was the first time she really thought, "Goodness, | 0:23:39 | 0:23:45 | |
"I'm really mad about this man." | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
Two months later came the outbreak of the Second World War, | 0:23:51 | 0:23:55 | |
and soon after, Prince Philip entered active service. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:59 | |
In March 1941, aboard HMS Valiant, | 0:24:00 | 0:24:03 | |
he saw action off the Greek coastline in the Battle of Matapan. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:08 | |
An early indication that Prince Philip had something about him | 0:24:10 | 0:24:14 | |
came during the Battle of Matapan, which was a famous night action, | 0:24:14 | 0:24:19 | |
during which three Italian heavy cruisers were sunk. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
And a night action with gunnery is all pretty close. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:26 | |
There was some cruisers coming down on the battleship, | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
there was a tremendous amount of to-ing and fro-ing | 0:24:32 | 0:24:34 | |
and eventually the battle fleet, the Mediterranean fleet | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
under Admiral Cunningham set off, and we managed to catch | 0:24:37 | 0:24:41 | |
the three Italian cruisers coming south in the middle of the night, | 0:24:41 | 0:24:46 | |
and they were quite unaware we were there, | 0:24:46 | 0:24:50 | |
and the battleships opened fire and blew them out... | 0:24:50 | 0:24:53 | |
Well, made an awful mess of them, that's for sure. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:55 | |
He was mentioned in dispatches by the commander-in-chief. | 0:24:57 | 0:25:00 | |
He would say, "Anyone would have done that, I'm sure." | 0:25:00 | 0:25:03 | |
But he was the man on the day and it was a noteworthy action, and therefore was recorded. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:08 | |
In 1945, with the war now over, the 24-year-old Prince Philip | 0:25:13 | 0:25:18 | |
returned to Britain, every bit the dashing naval officer - | 0:25:18 | 0:25:23 | |
something not lost on the young Princess Elizabeth. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:26 | |
In 1946, at the wedding of the daughter of his uncle, Lord Mountbatten, | 0:25:30 | 0:25:35 | |
rumours began to spread of a royal romance. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
At my wedding, the two princesses were bridesmaids, | 0:25:41 | 0:25:45 | |
and there was a picture taken going into the church, | 0:25:45 | 0:25:49 | |
and it was quite a cool day, and the Princess, and the others, | 0:25:49 | 0:25:52 | |
all had wraps on. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:54 | |
Prince Philip was one of the ushers. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:56 | |
And a photograph was taken of her handing her wrap to him to take, | 0:25:56 | 0:26:02 | |
which seemed a perfectly normal thing to do. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:06 | |
But somehow or other, somewhere, somebody said "Ah-ha", | 0:26:06 | 0:26:10 | |
you know, "What does this mean?" | 0:26:10 | 0:26:12 | |
Unbeknown to most of the wedding guests, | 0:26:15 | 0:26:17 | |
Philip was already privately engaged to his princess, | 0:26:17 | 0:26:21 | |
with the official announcement coming in July 1947. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:23 | |
In preparation for his new life, | 0:26:26 | 0:26:28 | |
Philip also renounced his Greek and Danish royal titles, | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
and became a British subject, adopting the surname Mountbatten. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:37 | |
But to some, Lieutenant Philip Mountbatten | 0:26:37 | 0:26:39 | |
remained not quite one of us. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
There was certainly a sense that he was not considered | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
to be quite kosher. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:51 | |
You know, he was from a sort of slightly disreputable royal wing | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
from a country that had gone republican and all the rest of it, | 0:26:54 | 0:26:59 | |
and a troubled family. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:00 | |
He was the first person to really come in from the outside world since Prince Albert, | 0:27:00 | 0:27:06 | |
so a good 100 years had passed. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:08 | |
You came in as an outsider, to a certain extent. Erm... | 0:27:11 | 0:27:16 | |
Well, rather less an outsider than some. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
I mean, my father was King George V's first cousin. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:25 | |
I came to the Duchess of Kent's wedding here, | 0:27:25 | 0:27:30 | |
I met the Queen when she was 12 or something. Erm... | 0:27:30 | 0:27:36 | |
Not quite such an outsider as you might think. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
'The day of the wedding, and immense crowds. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:43 | |
'Thousands had assembled overnight, others had arrived at dawn, | 0:27:43 | 0:27:47 | |
'all eagerly waiting to see and to cheer the royal processions | 0:27:47 | 0:27:51 | |
'on this day of their own princess's marriage.' | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
On November 20th 1947 in Westminster Abbey, | 0:27:58 | 0:28:01 | |
Philip Mountbatten married our future Queen. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
That morning he was given a new title by his father-in-law, | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
King George VI. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:13 | |
He was now His Royal Highness the Duke of Edinburgh. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:16 | |
But more importantly, perhaps, | 0:28:20 | 0:28:22 | |
marriage brought Philip a sense of real family life and stability | 0:28:22 | 0:28:26 | |
that had been lacking in his life since he was a ten-year-old boy. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:30 | |
Marrying the Princess gave Prince Philip a centre, | 0:28:33 | 0:28:37 | |
and a feeling of security, | 0:28:37 | 0:28:41 | |
since he'd not had, really, much of a home in his youth and childhood. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:47 | |
He was particularly happy when they were first married. | 0:28:56 | 0:28:59 | |
It was a sort of real family life | 0:29:01 | 0:29:03 | |
and he was always allowed to wear the trousers, | 0:29:03 | 0:29:08 | |
and what he wanted went. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:10 | |
One year later, Prince Philip became a father, | 0:29:14 | 0:29:16 | |
with the birth of Prince Charles. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:19 | |
-NEWSREEL: -'Now the Duke of Edinburgh takes a fatherly hand, | 0:29:19 | 0:29:22 | |
'his technique being no better and no worse than most fathers. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:25 | |
'A slight remonstrance from Princess Elizabeth | 0:29:25 | 0:29:28 | |
'but not, I think, a real protest.' | 0:29:28 | 0:29:30 | |
By the standards of the time, | 0:29:32 | 0:29:33 | |
Prince Philip was very much a hands-on father, hands and knees, | 0:29:33 | 0:29:37 | |
playing with the children, | 0:29:37 | 0:29:38 | |
but there are also first-hand accounts that I've been told | 0:29:38 | 0:29:41 | |
of Prince Philip not just bathing the children, | 0:29:41 | 0:29:44 | |
playing with the children, but reading to the children. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:47 | |
He was a hands-on dad | 0:29:47 | 0:29:48 | |
in the way that many fathers of that generation weren't. | 0:29:48 | 0:29:51 | |
He was very actively involved in his children's childhood. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
But Philip was often away, | 0:30:01 | 0:30:03 | |
fulfilling his duties as a serving officer. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:06 | |
In 1949 he was stationed in Malta, | 0:30:09 | 0:30:11 | |
where he was joined by his young wife. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:14 | |
That period in Malta was probably the most special time they ever had | 0:30:19 | 0:30:23 | |
because they were newly married, | 0:30:23 | 0:30:25 | |
they were naval officer and wife living in Malta. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:27 | |
I know people who were with them in Malta at that time. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:30 | |
They appeared incredibly happy. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
That struck me as a relatively carefree time for you both, I presume to say. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:40 | |
You're obsessed with carefree! | 0:30:40 | 0:30:42 | |
Simply because it strikes me that your life after that... | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
It was a professional life, I was a professional naval officer. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:49 | |
But you weren't having to do the... | 0:30:51 | 0:30:53 | |
I was having to do my duties as a professional naval officer. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
You've probably never had a profession, so you don't know what that means. | 0:30:56 | 0:31:00 | |
-Well, I flatter myself, I have one now, but perhaps... -I see, right. -..not in your view. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:06 | |
All I mean is that the level of official functions, state visits, | 0:31:06 | 0:31:09 | |
the kind of thing that you then took on, | 0:31:09 | 0:31:11 | |
you weren't doing as much of it then, as I understand it. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:14 | |
No, I wasn't before, no. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:15 | |
-It was a very different life. -Yes. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:17 | |
And one that you enjoyed. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:19 | |
Yes, I had no grumbles. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:23 | |
Despite the Duke's typical reticence, | 0:31:26 | 0:31:29 | |
the Navy was undeniably important to him. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:32 | |
It gave him a sense of authority and duty that has never left him. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:37 | |
He rose by his own merits from a cadet to the command of a ship. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:41 | |
But in 1951, George VI became seriously ill, | 0:31:44 | 0:31:48 | |
diagnosed with lung cancer. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:50 | |
He was only 55 years old. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:53 | |
Princess Elizabeth and the Duke were now called upon | 0:31:55 | 0:31:57 | |
to take over some of the King's official duties. | 0:31:57 | 0:32:01 | |
The Duke's active naval career was effectively over. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:05 | |
There was a huge demand for visits abroad, for all sorts of things, | 0:32:08 | 0:32:15 | |
and I think there was a general understanding | 0:32:15 | 0:32:21 | |
that it would be more sensible if I didn't go on with the Navy. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:24 | |
Is it something you'd have liked to have continued? | 0:32:24 | 0:32:27 | |
That's hypothetical. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:28 | |
It is, but I'm asking the question! Would you like to have continued? | 0:32:28 | 0:32:32 | |
No answer! | 0:32:32 | 0:32:34 | |
You must have thought about it. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:36 | |
Let me put it another way, then. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:41 | |
Was it difficult to give up? | 0:32:41 | 0:32:43 | |
If I thought of it at all, | 0:32:43 | 0:32:46 | |
I thought I could perfectly well go on with a career. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:49 | |
It didn't seem to... | 0:32:49 | 0:32:51 | |
And it seemed to me it would have been of great value to the Queen, | 0:32:51 | 0:32:55 | |
when she became Queen eventually, | 0:32:55 | 0:32:57 | |
to have somebody who was, in a sense, | 0:32:57 | 0:32:59 | |
professionally qualified in something | 0:32:59 | 0:33:01 | |
and not just traipsing around. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
-NEWSREEL: -'It is with the greatest sorrow | 0:33:05 | 0:33:08 | |
'that we make the following announcement. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:11 | |
'The King passed peacefully away in his sleep earlier this morning.' | 0:33:11 | 0:33:16 | |
When the news came through, the Duke and the Queen were in Kenya, | 0:33:16 | 0:33:20 | |
on their way to Australia for an official tour. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:22 | |
According to the Duke's Private Secretary, Philip looked, | 0:33:23 | 0:33:27 | |
"As if you'd dropped half the world on him." | 0:33:27 | 0:33:31 | |
There was no chance now of him returning to the Navy. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:34 | |
I think the death of the King was a most appalling shock, really, | 0:33:38 | 0:33:41 | |
for both the Princess, who then became Queen, and for Prince Philip. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:47 | |
They should have had at least another five years, really. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:50 | |
And it all obviously changed overnight. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:54 | |
So, I think it must have been very, very difficult for both of them. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:59 | |
On 2nd June 1953, at the Queen's Coronation, | 0:34:18 | 0:34:22 | |
the Duke of Edinburgh stepped forward | 0:34:22 | 0:34:25 | |
and knelt in homage to his sovereign. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:28 | |
He placed his hands between hers and said... | 0:34:28 | 0:34:32 | |
The Queen's accession to the throne | 0:34:50 | 0:34:52 | |
was a turning point in the Duke's life. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:56 | |
He was no longer his wife's equal. He was now her subject. | 0:34:56 | 0:35:01 | |
I think the first year for him | 0:35:04 | 0:35:06 | |
after the Queen became Queen must have been difficult, | 0:35:06 | 0:35:09 | |
when, at the State Opening of Parliament, | 0:35:09 | 0:35:12 | |
your chair is lower than the Queen's. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:15 | |
You're very much pushed into the background. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
Prime Minister, Your Majesty. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:20 | |
And while the Queen has access to state papers, | 0:35:21 | 0:35:23 | |
and a weekly meeting with the Prime Minister of the day, | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
the Duke has no such role. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
Instead he was given non-constitutional duties, | 0:35:29 | 0:35:33 | |
the job of overseeing the Royal estates and of running the family. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:37 | |
Something key to remember about Prince Philip | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
is that his life has been almost unique. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:44 | |
Women are accustomed to their lives being defined by the man they married. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:49 | |
Men of Prince Philip's generation | 0:35:49 | 0:35:51 | |
are not accustomed to having their lives defined by their wives. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:55 | |
Recognising the need to establish a firm position for the Duke, | 0:36:00 | 0:36:04 | |
the Queen announced that the Duke was to have, | 0:36:04 | 0:36:07 | |
"place, pre-eminence and precedence", next to her, | 0:36:07 | 0:36:09 | |
"on all occasions and in all meetings, | 0:36:09 | 0:36:12 | |
"except where otherwise provided by Act of Parliament". | 0:36:12 | 0:36:16 | |
The other thing you've talked about | 0:36:16 | 0:36:18 | |
is the division of labour between yourself and the Queen. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:22 | |
You've said in the past you've achieved a reasonable double act. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:26 | |
What did you mean by that? How does that work? | 0:36:26 | 0:36:29 | |
Well, she has a constitutional role | 0:36:29 | 0:36:32 | |
and has constitutional responsibilities, | 0:36:32 | 0:36:35 | |
which I don't. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:37 | |
Where we join up | 0:36:37 | 0:36:40 | |
is when she goes on visits which are not constitutional. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:45 | |
So, that works out very well. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:48 | |
What was more difficult for the Duke to establish | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
was what exactly was his role when he was away from the Queen. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:55 | |
The problem, of course, was to recognise what the niche was, | 0:36:59 | 0:37:03 | |
and to try and grow into it, and that was by trial and error. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:09 | |
There was no precedent, | 0:37:09 | 0:37:12 | |
but if I asked somebody, "What do you expect me to do?" | 0:37:12 | 0:37:15 | |
they all looked blank. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:16 | |
They had no idea. Nobody had much idea. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:18 | |
So, not very helpful, then? | 0:37:18 | 0:37:20 | |
Well, it wasn't they weren't helpful, | 0:37:20 | 0:37:22 | |
but nobody had really thought about it. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:25 | |
So, it was really, eventually, trial and error. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:30 | |
And how did you go about finding that niche? | 0:37:30 | 0:37:32 | |
Well, various people suggested things. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:37 | |
I know that it was suggested | 0:37:37 | 0:37:39 | |
that I should take on some sort of charity, | 0:37:39 | 0:37:42 | |
and my uncle, Lord Mountbatten, persuaded me to... | 0:37:42 | 0:37:47 | |
He followed my father-in-law | 0:37:47 | 0:37:50 | |
as president of The National Playing Fields Association, | 0:37:50 | 0:37:53 | |
and he suggested I should take that on | 0:37:53 | 0:37:55 | |
because it would have given me | 0:37:55 | 0:37:58 | |
some connection with recreational life in the country, | 0:37:58 | 0:38:04 | |
and it turned out to be very valuable. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:06 | |
What do you boys want? | 0:38:06 | 0:38:08 | |
ALL: We want to see the boss! | 0:38:08 | 0:38:10 | |
I'm afraid he's very busy. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:12 | |
-It's very important. -We want to see the boss! | 0:38:12 | 0:38:15 | |
-Please can we see him! -What do you want to see me about? | 0:38:15 | 0:38:18 | |
-Cos we want a playing field. -Well, you've come to the right place. | 0:38:18 | 0:38:22 | |
The Playing Fields Association was a huge success, | 0:38:29 | 0:38:33 | |
and one of the first of over 800 different organisations | 0:38:33 | 0:38:36 | |
that came knocking at the Duke's door. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:40 | |
And when you talk about finding a niche, how did you set about doing that? | 0:38:41 | 0:38:45 | |
Wait for invitations. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:47 | |
-Is that right? -Roughly, yes. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:49 | |
Because one thing after another, people started saying, | 0:38:49 | 0:38:52 | |
"Will you come do this? Will you come do that?" | 0:38:52 | 0:38:55 | |
And that accumulated and snowballed like you wouldn't believe it. | 0:38:55 | 0:39:00 | |
Alongside the Duke of Edinburgh's Award, | 0:39:02 | 0:39:04 | |
the project that has given the Duke the biggest international profile | 0:39:04 | 0:39:08 | |
is the conservation of the natural world. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:11 | |
His importance to conservation worldwide has been absolutely huge. | 0:39:12 | 0:39:17 | |
You can go anywhere in the world | 0:39:17 | 0:39:20 | |
and he will know where you have to make the connection, | 0:39:20 | 0:39:23 | |
where you have to put the pressure, what you have to do. | 0:39:23 | 0:39:26 | |
And he's very practical in those terms. | 0:39:26 | 0:39:31 | |
50 years ago, the Duke was asked to be the first UK president of the World Wildlife Fund. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:39 | |
And then 20 years later, he became the organisation's international president. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:44 | |
He wasn't asked because he was the Duke of Edinburgh. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:48 | |
He was asked because he was the best person in the world | 0:39:48 | 0:39:51 | |
to become the president, and we were very ambitious. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:53 | |
He was much more than a figurehead of WWF | 0:39:53 | 0:39:57 | |
because he would look at programmes | 0:39:57 | 0:39:59 | |
both for fundraising and conservation. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:02 | |
He went on many tours, different parts of the world, | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
to promote conservation, went into the field, met the workers there, | 0:40:05 | 0:40:08 | |
met the local government officials. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:11 | |
He was just amazing. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:13 | |
If we've got this extraordinary diversity on this globe, | 0:40:16 | 0:40:20 | |
it seems awfully silly for us to destroy it, | 0:40:20 | 0:40:23 | |
because all these other creatures have an equal right to exist here. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:28 | |
We have no prior rights to the Earth than anybody else. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:35 | |
And if they're here, let's give them a chance to survive. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:39 | |
Would you describe yourself as a green? | 0:40:39 | 0:40:42 | |
-As green? -No. No. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:45 | |
Why not? | 0:40:45 | 0:40:47 | |
Well, because I think that there's a difference | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
between being concerned for the conservation of nature | 0:40:52 | 0:40:56 | |
and being a bunny hugger. | 0:40:56 | 0:41:00 | |
A bunny hugger. What do you mean by that? | 0:41:02 | 0:41:06 | |
Well, can't you imagine? | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
-It's not a term I've heard before, I must say. -Haven't you? | 0:41:09 | 0:41:11 | |
-People who simply love animals. -What, in a sentimental way? | 0:41:11 | 0:41:17 | |
Yes, well, most people... | 0:41:17 | 0:41:20 | |
When I was president of WWF | 0:41:20 | 0:41:21 | |
I got more letters about the way animals were treated in zoos | 0:41:21 | 0:41:28 | |
than about any concern for the survival of a species. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:32 | |
People can't get their heads round the idea of a species surviving. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:37 | |
They're more concerned about how you treat a donkey in Sicily or something. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:41 | |
In 1986, the Duke combined his practical and unsentimental approach to conservation | 0:41:45 | 0:41:50 | |
with a long-standing interest in religion | 0:41:50 | 0:41:52 | |
and its affects on the world. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:54 | |
We asked leaders of the main faiths to discuss amongst themselves | 0:41:56 | 0:42:00 | |
what their attitude was | 0:42:00 | 0:42:02 | |
to the natural creation, or to the natural environment, with a view to, | 0:42:02 | 0:42:08 | |
if they then thought that they had any responsibility for it, | 0:42:08 | 0:42:11 | |
to try and disseminate that within their communities. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:15 | |
The Duke's initiative was welcomed, and in 1995, | 0:42:17 | 0:42:20 | |
an organisation called ARC, | 0:42:20 | 0:42:22 | |
or the Alliance of Religions and Conservation, was launched. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:26 | |
Prince Philip had the vision to see this could go much bigger | 0:42:29 | 0:42:32 | |
and that it could actually become one of the most powerful forces | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
in the whole conservation movement. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:38 | |
The fact that the major faiths | 0:42:38 | 0:42:40 | |
own about 8% of the habitable surface of the planet, | 0:42:40 | 0:42:43 | |
they either run or contribute to over 50% of all schools worldwide, | 0:42:43 | 0:42:47 | |
and they're trusted. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:50 | |
In many countries in the world, nobody trusts the government, | 0:42:50 | 0:42:53 | |
nobody trusts international agencies, | 0:42:53 | 0:42:56 | |
they do trust their faiths, and the religious environmental organisations | 0:42:56 | 0:42:59 | |
are the fastest-growing environmental organisations in the world. | 0:42:59 | 0:43:02 | |
What do you see as the biggest challenges in conservation? | 0:43:02 | 0:43:08 | |
The growing human population. | 0:43:08 | 0:43:11 | |
Because from where we are, there's nothing else. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:13 | |
And do you have views about what should be done about that? | 0:43:15 | 0:43:18 | |
Can't you guess? | 0:43:18 | 0:43:20 | |
Well, it could be on a spectrum | 0:43:20 | 0:43:23 | |
from mass sterilisation to... | 0:43:23 | 0:43:25 | |
No, no, no! | 0:43:25 | 0:43:26 | |
..to greater availability of contraception. | 0:43:26 | 0:43:29 | |
I don't know what your views are as to what can be done about it. | 0:43:29 | 0:43:32 | |
I think it might be described as voluntary family limitation. | 0:43:32 | 0:43:38 | |
As we know, he always speaks his mind. | 0:43:38 | 0:43:44 | |
Sometimes not necessarily with a high degree of tact, | 0:43:44 | 0:43:50 | |
but on the other hand, I think that people | 0:43:50 | 0:43:52 | |
have come to expect that of him and they really rather enjoy it. | 0:43:52 | 0:43:56 | |
They think, "How nice to hear somebody actually say what they think." | 0:43:56 | 0:43:59 | |
For decades, often trying to lighten the atmosphere, | 0:44:00 | 0:44:04 | |
the Duke has come up with off-the-cuff remarks | 0:44:04 | 0:44:07 | |
that have been lapped up by the world's press. | 0:44:07 | 0:44:11 | |
Now, he's a man known for his plain speaking | 0:44:11 | 0:44:14 | |
and on his trip to Australia, | 0:44:14 | 0:44:15 | |
the Duke of Edinburgh hasn't disappointed. | 0:44:15 | 0:44:18 | |
He caused something of a furore | 0:44:18 | 0:44:20 | |
when he asked a group of Aboriginal dancers | 0:44:20 | 0:44:22 | |
if they still threw their spears at each other. | 0:44:22 | 0:44:25 | |
During a visit to the new Welsh Assembly in May, he met a group | 0:44:25 | 0:44:28 | |
from the British Deaf Association, standing by a Caribbean band. | 0:44:28 | 0:44:31 | |
"Deaf? If you're near there, no wonder you're deaf," he reportedly told them. | 0:44:31 | 0:44:35 | |
Annoyingly for the Duke, his often rather light-hearted approach | 0:44:36 | 0:44:40 | |
is sometimes misunderstood, with many of his comments seized upon | 0:44:40 | 0:44:44 | |
by journalists waiting, notebook or camera to hand. | 0:44:44 | 0:44:47 | |
Do you feel that the press has been unfair to you? | 0:44:51 | 0:44:54 | |
Has given you a bit of a hard time? | 0:44:54 | 0:44:58 | |
Misrepresented you? | 0:44:59 | 0:45:00 | |
I suppose, yes, occasionally, but, um... | 0:45:05 | 0:45:08 | |
I think the...the... It has its own agenda | 0:45:10 | 0:45:12 | |
and that's it, you just have to live with it. | 0:45:12 | 0:45:15 | |
But it must frustrate you. I mean, certainly, you've said before | 0:45:15 | 0:45:19 | |
that there are things you might have got involved in or wanted to do | 0:45:19 | 0:45:22 | |
and, you know, the press would kind of ruin it. | 0:45:22 | 0:45:25 | |
Well, if you're standing on a railway line | 0:45:25 | 0:45:27 | |
and an express train's coming down, | 0:45:27 | 0:45:29 | |
the sensible thing is to get out of the way, isn't it? | 0:45:29 | 0:45:32 | |
But that's not always been easy for the Duke. | 0:45:35 | 0:45:37 | |
In 1986, on a tour of China, | 0:45:37 | 0:45:39 | |
he was talking to a group of British students off the record | 0:45:39 | 0:45:43 | |
and quipped that if they stayed in China much longer, | 0:45:43 | 0:45:46 | |
they would come back with slitty eyes. | 0:45:46 | 0:45:48 | |
This thing keeps coming up about, "Oh, yes, er, Prince Philip - | 0:45:50 | 0:45:54 | |
"he says this about people having slitty eyes," or whatever it is. | 0:45:54 | 0:45:57 | |
Is that fair or do you think, to some extent, | 0:45:57 | 0:46:00 | |
-you're the author of your own misfortune? -Who reported it? | 0:46:00 | 0:46:03 | |
-Well, it was reported in the press, but you... -By whom? | 0:46:03 | 0:46:06 | |
By newspapers. | 0:46:06 | 0:46:07 | |
But who? | 0:46:07 | 0:46:09 | |
Well, the-the... | 0:46:09 | 0:46:10 | |
The Times correspondent. | 0:46:10 | 0:46:11 | |
Right. | 0:46:11 | 0:46:12 | |
Called Mr Hamilton. | 0:46:12 | 0:46:14 | |
But for him, it wouldn't have come out. | 0:46:15 | 0:46:17 | |
I mean, there are two ways of looking at that. You could say, | 0:46:19 | 0:46:23 | |
"For heaven's sake, he was making a joke, lightening the atmosphere, what's the problem?" | 0:46:23 | 0:46:27 | |
Or you could say, "It was a bit un-PC, maybe he shouldn't have said that." | 0:46:27 | 0:46:31 | |
It had no effect in China, if that's what you're worried about. | 0:46:32 | 0:46:36 | |
I'm not worried about it at all, but I wondered what you felt about it? | 0:46:36 | 0:46:39 | |
I'd forgotten about it. | 0:46:39 | 0:46:40 | |
It was meant to be funny | 0:46:43 | 0:46:46 | |
and in the time of when it was made, | 0:46:46 | 0:46:48 | |
I'm willing to bet you they all started laughing. | 0:46:48 | 0:46:51 | |
But the media picked it up, | 0:46:51 | 0:46:53 | |
it was taken out of context. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:55 | |
Now, you can easily say, "Well, a man of his stature | 0:46:55 | 0:46:59 | |
"and his exposure to the media should be aware of the..." | 0:46:59 | 0:47:03 | |
Well, so what? The fact is that he's bigger than all of those things. | 0:47:03 | 0:47:06 | |
Nowhere has the press been more invasive | 0:47:12 | 0:47:14 | |
than in its examination of Royal relationships. | 0:47:14 | 0:47:17 | |
But throughout it all, and usually behind the scenes, | 0:47:17 | 0:47:21 | |
those close to him say that the Duke has acted as patriarch, | 0:47:21 | 0:47:24 | |
providing support and advice for a family sometimes under fire. | 0:47:24 | 0:47:29 | |
I think what he is very good at | 0:47:30 | 0:47:32 | |
is recognising the extraordinary strains | 0:47:32 | 0:47:35 | |
that the Royal Family are under | 0:47:35 | 0:47:37 | |
and that they put the young ones under. | 0:47:37 | 0:47:39 | |
I think first and foremost, he will give a pillar to lean on | 0:47:39 | 0:47:43 | |
in terms of what is right and what is appropriate | 0:47:43 | 0:47:45 | |
and how to deal with some of the real strains and stresses. | 0:47:45 | 0:47:50 | |
I think also, he is, in his own way, very affectionate. | 0:47:50 | 0:47:55 | |
So I think that quietly, privately, he will be a tremendous support. | 0:47:55 | 0:48:00 | |
And yet, there have been internal stresses. | 0:48:02 | 0:48:04 | |
For years, there has been a perception | 0:48:04 | 0:48:06 | |
that the Duke and his eldest son | 0:48:06 | 0:48:08 | |
have not always seen eye to eye. | 0:48:08 | 0:48:10 | |
I think from Prince Charles's side, | 0:48:13 | 0:48:16 | |
there is a hesitation about his father. | 0:48:16 | 0:48:18 | |
His father is quite a strong, authoritarian figure, | 0:48:18 | 0:48:21 | |
there's no question about that. | 0:48:21 | 0:48:23 | |
Erm, and I think that there have been... | 0:48:23 | 0:48:25 | |
There is a real difference of personality there. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:29 | |
In terms of basic affection... No, I think that's strong. | 0:48:29 | 0:48:34 | |
But I think in terms of a sense of respecting each other's spaces, | 0:48:34 | 0:48:38 | |
and sometimes avoiding each other's spaces, | 0:48:38 | 0:48:41 | |
that's there as well. | 0:48:41 | 0:48:43 | |
When it came to the Royal Family's most traumatic event in recent history, | 0:48:46 | 0:48:51 | |
the funeral of Diana, Princess of Wales, | 0:48:51 | 0:48:54 | |
the Duke provided much needed support to his son's family. | 0:48:54 | 0:48:58 | |
The plan was that Diana's boys | 0:49:00 | 0:49:03 | |
would walk behind the coffin with Charles Spencer. | 0:49:03 | 0:49:07 | |
There was no plan for the Duke of Edinburgh to do so. | 0:49:07 | 0:49:09 | |
But Prince William wasn't sure - he was a young boy - | 0:49:09 | 0:49:12 | |
that he was comfortable with doing that. | 0:49:12 | 0:49:14 | |
But Prince Philip encouraged him, he said, "I think in years to come, | 0:49:14 | 0:49:18 | |
"you will be pleased that you did walk behind your mother's coffin." | 0:49:18 | 0:49:22 | |
And still Prince William persisted in not being sure about it | 0:49:22 | 0:49:26 | |
and Prince Philip said, "Well, if I walk too, will that help?" | 0:49:26 | 0:49:30 | |
There is a very touching moment, if you look at the film, | 0:49:38 | 0:49:41 | |
where they go through an arch in Horse Guards Parade | 0:49:41 | 0:49:45 | |
and when they, for a brief moment, | 0:49:45 | 0:49:47 | |
are not fully visible to the crowd. | 0:49:47 | 0:49:52 | |
And at that moment, | 0:49:55 | 0:49:56 | |
Prince Philip leant forward and... | 0:49:56 | 0:49:59 | |
touched the boys to reassure them, to strengthen them at that moment. | 0:49:59 | 0:50:03 | |
I think you saw him at his best at that moment. | 0:50:18 | 0:50:21 | |
That was him being... | 0:50:21 | 0:50:23 | |
the father of the family, | 0:50:23 | 0:50:25 | |
holding them and supporting them. | 0:50:25 | 0:50:27 | |
Through several periods of instability in the monarchy in recent times, | 0:50:31 | 0:50:35 | |
one thing has remained rock solid - | 0:50:35 | 0:50:37 | |
the Duke's marriage to the Queen. | 0:50:37 | 0:50:39 | |
I would never dream of commenting on anybody else's marriage! | 0:50:42 | 0:50:48 | |
But I have seen them in a boat, | 0:50:48 | 0:50:50 | |
I've seen them on flight decks together, | 0:50:50 | 0:50:54 | |
I've seen them on those quiet moments - | 0:50:54 | 0:50:56 | |
the rest periods in the middle of an engagement. | 0:50:56 | 0:50:58 | |
They pull each other's leg. | 0:50:58 | 0:51:00 | |
Er, they tell each other off. | 0:51:00 | 0:51:02 | |
Er, you know, they just look a regular couple | 0:51:02 | 0:51:05 | |
who clearly know each other terribly well. | 0:51:05 | 0:51:07 | |
A few years ago, I attended the Royal Variety Performance | 0:51:20 | 0:51:23 | |
with the Queen and Duke of Edinburgh and, during the interval, | 0:51:23 | 0:51:27 | |
we went into one of the reception areas where the Queen, being the Queen, was the centre of attention. | 0:51:27 | 0:51:32 | |
And when the Queen is the centre of attention, | 0:51:32 | 0:51:34 | |
Prince Philip keeps out of the way, he ensures people can see the Queen. | 0:51:34 | 0:51:37 | |
I stood with Prince Philip at the edge of this room, he had a glass in his hand, | 0:51:37 | 0:51:41 | |
and the Queen was there, surrounded by a whole crowd of show-business personalities. | 0:51:41 | 0:51:45 | |
And I noticed across the crowded room that she looked up and caught his eye | 0:51:45 | 0:51:49 | |
and as he caught her eye, he simply raised his glass to her. | 0:51:49 | 0:51:54 | |
And I thought, "Yeah. Something's being going on here for 60 years that we probably can't get at." | 0:51:54 | 0:52:00 | |
Seems all right. | 0:52:01 | 0:52:04 | |
-It's all right, isn't it? -Yes. | 0:52:07 | 0:52:11 | |
When you were thinking about your role, | 0:52:13 | 0:52:16 | |
-you saw your first duty, first and foremost, to support the Queen? -Yes. | 0:52:16 | 0:52:20 | |
-That's the right way to describe it? -Yes. | 0:52:20 | 0:52:22 | |
And what does that involve? | 0:52:22 | 0:52:24 | |
Helping her! I mean, er, supporting her, | 0:52:26 | 0:52:29 | |
doing anything that, er, is valuable to her. | 0:52:29 | 0:52:33 | |
In 1997, the Queen herself | 0:52:37 | 0:52:39 | |
acknowledged the support the Duke had provided over their lifetime. | 0:52:39 | 0:52:43 | |
All too often, I fear Prince Philip has had to listen to me speaking. | 0:52:45 | 0:52:50 | |
Frequently, we have discussed my intended speech beforehand | 0:52:50 | 0:52:53 | |
and as you will imagine, | 0:52:53 | 0:52:55 | |
his views have been expressed in a forthright manner. | 0:52:55 | 0:52:58 | |
He is someone who doesn't take easily to compliments, | 0:53:00 | 0:53:04 | |
but he has quite simply been my strength and stay all these years. | 0:53:04 | 0:53:08 | |
Together, the Queen and the Duke | 0:53:15 | 0:53:17 | |
have undertaken many thousands of engagements | 0:53:17 | 0:53:20 | |
within the United Kingdom and overseas. | 0:53:20 | 0:53:23 | |
So far, they've completed over 300 visits to every corner of the globe. | 0:53:23 | 0:53:29 | |
But there is a sense that, at the age of 90, | 0:53:32 | 0:53:36 | |
he might like to relinquish some of his official duties. | 0:53:36 | 0:53:39 | |
I reckon I've done my bit. I want to enjoy myself a bit now... | 0:53:41 | 0:53:45 | |
um, with less responsibility, | 0:53:45 | 0:53:50 | |
less frantic rushing about, | 0:53:50 | 0:53:52 | |
less preparation, less trying to think of something to say. | 0:53:52 | 0:53:56 | |
On top of that...memory's going, I can't remember names and things. | 0:53:58 | 0:54:03 | |
Yes, I'm just sort of winding down. | 0:54:03 | 0:54:05 | |
-Are you? -Yes. | 0:54:05 | 0:54:07 | |
Taking on less...less duties, that kind of thing? | 0:54:07 | 0:54:10 | |
I'm not taking on less, I'm getting rid of things. | 0:54:10 | 0:54:13 | |
Quite, er, consciously, quite deliberately, | 0:54:17 | 0:54:20 | |
he is getting rid of a lot of his patronages, he is giving up | 0:54:20 | 0:54:25 | |
the Chancellorship of Cambridge | 0:54:25 | 0:54:27 | |
and of Edinburgh, | 0:54:27 | 0:54:28 | |
two major universities, | 0:54:28 | 0:54:31 | |
and of a number of other charities | 0:54:31 | 0:54:33 | |
that have taken up quite a lot of his time. | 0:54:33 | 0:54:36 | |
A recognition that, quite frankly, the time's come. | 0:54:37 | 0:54:41 | |
And it's being done in an ordered fashion | 0:54:41 | 0:54:44 | |
so that succession can be properly thought through | 0:54:44 | 0:54:49 | |
and his departure can be properly managed. | 0:54:49 | 0:54:51 | |
And yet in 2011, the Duke shows little sign that he is letting up. | 0:54:55 | 0:55:00 | |
In the spring, the Duke was at Westminster Abbey, | 0:55:01 | 0:55:05 | |
reading the lesson at the Maundy service. | 0:55:05 | 0:55:07 | |
"Then the righteous will reply,' | 0:55:07 | 0:55:10 | |
"Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry and fed you? | 0:55:10 | 0:55:13 | |
"Or thirsty and gave you drink? | 0:55:13 | 0:55:15 | |
"A stranger and took you home? | 0:55:15 | 0:55:17 | |
"Or naked and clothed you? | 0:55:17 | 0:55:19 | |
"When did we see you ill or in prison and came to visit you? | 0:55:19 | 0:55:24 | |
"And the King will answer, 'I tell you this. | 0:55:24 | 0:55:28 | |
"'Anything you did for one of my brothers here, however humble, | 0:55:28 | 0:55:32 | |
"'you did for me.'" | 0:55:32 | 0:55:34 | |
A week later, he was celebrating his grandson's wedding. | 0:55:43 | 0:55:46 | |
Then came the historic visit to Ireland with the Queen. | 0:55:57 | 0:56:01 | |
Straight after, the Queen and the Duke | 0:56:07 | 0:56:10 | |
welcomed President Obama and his wife to Buckingham Palace. | 0:56:10 | 0:56:14 | |
He keeps on saying he's trying to slow down and take on less, | 0:56:16 | 0:56:19 | |
but I-I haven't...I haven't seen much evidence of that, | 0:56:19 | 0:56:23 | |
he seems to fill the...fill the, um, | 0:56:23 | 0:56:25 | |
the gaps with lots of other things, which is fantastic. | 0:56:25 | 0:56:28 | |
And the fact that he's still got that fascination | 0:56:28 | 0:56:30 | |
and interest and energy is superb. | 0:56:30 | 0:56:32 | |
I followed your schedule a little bit | 0:56:36 | 0:56:38 | |
and it strikes me you do an awful lot, but that's... | 0:56:38 | 0:56:42 | |
Well, you should have been around a few years ago. | 0:56:42 | 0:56:44 | |
But I don't think... you don't really want | 0:56:44 | 0:56:47 | |
nonagenarians as the heads of, er, organisations, you know, | 0:56:47 | 0:56:51 | |
which are trying to do something useful. | 0:56:51 | 0:56:54 | |
There is an ageism in this country, everywhere, and quite rightly too, | 0:56:56 | 0:57:00 | |
because I think you go downhill physically, mentally and everything. | 0:57:00 | 0:57:04 | |
But I don't think any of the charities that I have spoken to | 0:57:04 | 0:57:07 | |
that have your involvement would ever describe you as past your sell-by date. | 0:57:07 | 0:57:11 | |
No, but it's better to get out before you reach the sell-by date. | 0:57:11 | 0:57:15 | |
After months of trying to work out who the Duke actually is | 0:57:19 | 0:57:22 | |
and then interviewing him - not an entirely easy ride, may I say - | 0:57:22 | 0:57:26 | |
I can understand why people see him in turns as reactionary, modern, | 0:57:26 | 0:57:31 | |
charming, bad-tempered, | 0:57:31 | 0:57:33 | |
thoughtful, funny | 0:57:33 | 0:57:35 | |
and more than a little impatient. | 0:57:35 | 0:57:38 | |
But he is not a man who is going to dwell on these apparent contradictions. | 0:57:40 | 0:57:44 | |
It seems to me, from an early age, | 0:57:47 | 0:57:50 | |
the Duke learnt the vital skill of self-reliance | 0:57:50 | 0:57:53 | |
and the ability to get on with the job in hand. | 0:57:53 | 0:57:56 | |
Asking him to talk about himself | 0:57:56 | 0:57:58 | |
is like a red rag to a bull. | 0:57:58 | 0:58:00 | |
He represents a generation, almost gone now, | 0:58:00 | 0:58:04 | |
which doesn't moan about what might have been, | 0:58:04 | 0:58:07 | |
but concentrates on what can be done now. | 0:58:07 | 0:58:10 | |
And despite all he has achieved, | 0:58:10 | 0:58:13 | |
he is, I think, genuinely bewildered by all the interest in him. | 0:58:13 | 0:58:16 | |
"I'm 90," he says, "so what?" | 0:58:16 | 0:58:19 | |
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