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Fishing is big business in Thailand. Worth $7 billion a year with exports | :00:10. | :00:16. | |
all over the world. Is it an industry built on modern day | :00:17. | :00:17. | |
slavery? I will hear how brutal organised | :00:18. | :00:30. | |
crime lies at the heart of a globally important trade. I said, | :00:31. | :00:40. | |
how many of you have seen someone killed on board? In the room, half | :00:41. | :00:47. | |
the hands went up. By the government 's tactics to deal with the problem | :00:48. | :00:50. | |
working? How can you be certain there was no forced labour? | :00:51. | :01:04. | |
I meet the families of losing their sons to the sea. He said he wanted a | :01:05. | :01:17. | |
better house for his parents. The world can't get enough of Thailand's | :01:18. | :01:22. | |
cheap fish. It is coming with a heavy human price. | :01:23. | :01:49. | |
The port on the Gulf of Thailand. Just like the rest of the country 's | :01:50. | :01:57. | |
fishing industry, business here is booming. Thailand is the third | :01:58. | :02:04. | |
biggest exporter of fish on the planet. It supplies supermarkets in | :02:05. | :02:10. | |
Europe's, America, Japan. Beneath a charming and colourful exterior is | :02:11. | :02:13. | |
an industry which relies on human trafficking. A shortage of local | :02:14. | :02:19. | |
labour means crew masters on fishing vessels use workers from Thailand's | :02:20. | :02:27. | |
poorer neighbours. In many cases, they are trafficked. Bought and sold | :02:28. | :02:34. | |
by criminal gangs and forced to work. As the sun sets, we tried to | :02:35. | :02:39. | |
speak to some of the fishermen. As a woman, I am not allowed on board | :02:40. | :02:45. | |
because it is unlucky. I just asked him to go and ask a bit about where | :02:46. | :02:51. | |
they're from and how they got here and how they have in working on the | :02:52. | :02:57. | |
boat. He spends a few minutes on board before he is asked to leave. | :02:58. | :03:03. | |
You just came off the boat. Tommy what they said. -- tell me. He said | :03:04. | :03:14. | |
he came with a broker who he owed money to. He is not allowed to | :03:15. | :03:20. | |
leave, and the broker controls his salary. In three months he hasn't | :03:21. | :03:29. | |
been paid. All the money is going to the broker. Being beholden to | :03:30. | :03:37. | |
brokers is how they usually become enslaved. Trapped working for little | :03:38. | :03:45. | |
or nothing for years. How did he seem? He looks unhappy. He asked for | :03:46. | :03:59. | |
my phone number to get help. To see if I could get help. What is he | :04:00. | :04:09. | |
worried about? Even after he pays the debt, the broker won't allow him | :04:10. | :04:12. | |
to leave. What reinforces the sense of | :04:13. | :04:26. | |
entrapment is that the work we spoke to, like the most on Thai fishing | :04:27. | :04:33. | |
boats, is here illegally. Escape from a boat has the risk of arrest | :04:34. | :04:40. | |
or being resold. One of the captains of the port speaks to me | :04:41. | :04:48. | |
anonymously. What about workers? How hard is it to find workers? | :04:49. | :05:15. | |
We have been here a couple of hours. We have spoken with a captain who | :05:16. | :05:22. | |
says he needs to use force to get workers on board his boat. A worker | :05:23. | :05:27. | |
who says he hasn't been paid for three months. A Bernd Roith fixer | :05:28. | :05:41. | |
you don't even need to scratch the surface very much yet to uncover | :05:42. | :05:47. | |
some very dark sides to the Thai fishing industry. The Thai capital, | :05:48. | :06:02. | |
Bangkok. A small number of fishermen who have escaped being rescued are | :06:03. | :06:06. | |
held in a centre on the outskirts of the city. This is the government run | :06:07. | :06:12. | |
shelter for survivors of trafficking. I'm going to need a man | :06:13. | :06:17. | |
who was rescued from a fishing boat. Because of law, we can't show his | :06:18. | :06:20. | |
face. He has agreed to tell me what happened. Like many fishermen in | :06:21. | :06:30. | |
Thailand, he came here from Myanmar with a man who tricked. | :06:31. | :07:17. | |
At no stage was he paid for his work. In the end, the conditions | :07:18. | :07:45. | |
became unbearable, and he took his chance to escape. | :07:46. | :08:17. | |
Use one for six hours to try and escape? During that time were you | :08:18. | :08:22. | |
afraid you wouldn't make it? Incredibly though, he fell back into | :08:23. | :08:40. | |
the hands of traffickers and was forced onto another fishing boat. | :08:41. | :08:45. | |
The second time, he was luckier. After six weeks he was rescued | :08:46. | :08:52. | |
during a police operation. At the shelter, while he waits to be sent | :08:53. | :08:55. | |
home, he has been learning to become a hairdresser. | :08:56. | :09:08. | |
If jumping ship and swimming for six hours and water that you know has | :09:09. | :09:16. | |
sharks seems like a better alternative than staying on board | :09:17. | :09:20. | |
ship, it just tells you a little bit about how much fear and violence | :09:21. | :09:23. | |
there is on board the boats. I want to know more about how common | :09:24. | :09:41. | |
stories like his are. At one of Hancock 's fish markets, meeting | :09:42. | :09:49. | |
Phil Robinson. This is freshwater fish. The fresh water market begins. | :09:50. | :10:00. | |
Phil knows the darker side of the Thai fishing industry better than | :10:01. | :10:03. | |
most. He works for the campaign group Human Rights Watch, and has | :10:04. | :10:08. | |
interviewed hundreds of fishermen who have survived trafficking. What | :10:09. | :10:13. | |
is it like to be on-board? These boats are brutal. Men who were | :10:14. | :10:19. | |
whipped with stingray tales. People who have been beaten up. People who | :10:20. | :10:26. | |
have seen people who couldn't work, who then stabbed thrown overboard. | :10:27. | :10:32. | |
Does that really happen? Men are really thrown overboard? I will give | :10:33. | :10:38. | |
you an example. I was in the deep south of Thailand. I had a group of | :10:39. | :10:44. | |
15 migrant workers, who were about half the net and half Cambodian. I | :10:45. | :10:49. | |
asked how many of them had seen someone killed on board. In the | :10:50. | :10:54. | |
room, half the hands went up. It doesn't happen on every boat, but it | :10:55. | :10:59. | |
does happen enough to raise serious concerns about the lawlessness that | :11:00. | :11:05. | |
is taking place in the industry. According to Thai workers rights | :11:06. | :11:11. | |
groups, this lawlessness is because some local police are reluctant to | :11:12. | :11:16. | |
ask many questions. There are people in the police force who clearly work | :11:17. | :11:25. | |
with migrant smugglers and brokers. They would claim they were not | :11:26. | :11:29. | |
involved in trafficking. If you ask Bernese migrants how they got here | :11:30. | :11:33. | |
and how they got to this port in central Thailand, there will say | :11:34. | :11:37. | |
they were bought in a truck by a relative of a police person, or | :11:38. | :11:42. | |
allowed to pass through by various police checkpoints. So-and-so is | :11:43. | :11:50. | |
connected with top people. Nothing happens in Thailand that the police | :11:51. | :11:57. | |
don't know about. I think what was so shocking about what Phil had to | :11:58. | :12:02. | |
say it was how systematic it is. It is failure and impunity at every | :12:03. | :12:07. | |
level that allows this industry of the selling of people to happen as | :12:08. | :12:13. | |
part of how fishing operates in Thailand. The Thai police say they | :12:14. | :12:22. | |
are taking the problem seriously. They have invited me to join one of | :12:23. | :12:25. | |
their patrols to find trafficked workers at sea. The operation is | :12:26. | :12:31. | |
happening off of Thailand's south-west coast in the Malacca | :12:32. | :12:40. | |
Straits. Stung by recent criticism, the Thai authorities are putting on | :12:41. | :12:46. | |
a show of strength. We are heading about ten kilometres offshore. This | :12:47. | :12:50. | |
is where the larger fishing boats are. They have thrown a lot of | :12:51. | :12:55. | |
resources at this. A lot of people on board this boat. The Marine | :12:56. | :13:00. | |
police officer at the front of the boat is waving his red flag, | :13:01. | :13:07. | |
signalling to the boats on the horizon that we are going to | :13:08. | :13:12. | |
approach. Like those on the boats earlier, the man on these vessels | :13:13. | :13:19. | |
are migrants. In this case, they are from . | :13:20. | :13:29. | |
Just asking if he speaks Burmese, but they all said hello back to me. | :13:30. | :13:40. | |
While the police pile on board, I try to grab a word with some of the | :13:41. | :13:51. | |
crew. I just ask them if they have ever met the Thai police before. | :13:52. | :13:56. | |
They said they hadn't. The man on the second boat is from the far | :13:57. | :14:06. | |
west. Their crew masters control everything on the boats and are | :14:07. | :14:08. | |
never far away. They seem reluctant to talk. They didn't know. I was | :14:09. | :14:18. | |
trained to ask about whether they knew there would be coming in to | :14:19. | :14:20. | |
fishing boats when they left their homes. They said they didn't. What | :14:21. | :14:25. | |
they tell me is limited, but there are possible signs of trafficking. | :14:26. | :14:29. | |
Not least, some of them may have been tricked into boats. I am asking | :14:30. | :14:38. | |
how they managed to come to hear and all of them said that they came with | :14:39. | :14:45. | |
a broker. Forced labour brokers can go hand-in-hand. Workers often end | :14:46. | :14:50. | |
up being paid and dropped on both is precisely because these brokers | :14:51. | :14:55. | |
claim their wages. I did try and talk to the man who working here but | :14:56. | :15:03. | |
I just wonder how freely they would be able to say anything. I want to | :15:04. | :15:11. | |
find out whether the police have fared any better at trying to | :15:12. | :15:15. | |
discover the status of the men on the boats. Could I ask you, how is | :15:16. | :15:20. | |
it that you know that these people are here against their will, how do | :15:21. | :15:23. | |
you know that? At no stage at the 20 minute | :15:24. | :15:52. | |
operation did we seek any of the police interview the workers. In | :15:53. | :15:56. | |
fact, it turns out that they did not even have their own them is a | :15:57. | :16:00. | |
speaking translator and could not talk directly to the crew. We leave | :16:01. | :16:05. | |
the fishing boats with more questions than answers. For missions | :16:06. | :16:12. | |
like these, would it not be easier to have your own translator with | :16:13. | :16:13. | |
you? How can you be certain that there | :16:14. | :16:34. | |
was no forced labour on the boats? Some of the officers from today's | :16:35. | :17:08. | |
operation lineup for a pep talk from the general. How effective their | :17:09. | :17:15. | |
strategy is is a pressing question. The latest US State Department | :17:16. | :17:20. | |
report was Thailand on a so-called critical watchlist. Because of | :17:21. | :17:23. | |
worries that not enough is being done to tackle forced labour. In the | :17:24. | :17:28. | |
next few months, is progress is not made, America may well threaten to | :17:29. | :17:34. | |
withdraw some of its aid to Thailand. For its part, the European | :17:35. | :17:43. | |
Union, another of Thailand big fish by customers, as chosen to engage | :17:44. | :17:48. | |
with Thailand to persuade them to do more to stop forced labour in the | :17:49. | :17:54. | |
fishing industry. Back in Bangkok, I am eating and Tonio, the head of | :17:55. | :17:57. | |
trade for the EU delegation in Thailand. As one of the largest | :17:58. | :18:04. | |
purchases of Thai fish, you have incredible power to influence the | :18:05. | :18:08. | |
decisions here in the industry. With the EU be prepared to blacklist | :18:09. | :18:12. | |
Thailand if they continue to be allegations of forced labour? Your | :18:13. | :18:20. | |
question is a very difficult one goes you are asking me to look into | :18:21. | :18:27. | |
the future. In the study done two months ago, they were probably the | :18:28. | :18:35. | |
most cobranded survey of the situation here. Half of the | :18:36. | :18:39. | |
respondents said that they were OK, they were happy with their working | :18:40. | :18:43. | |
conditions and they were happy with... But doesn't that concern | :18:44. | :18:51. | |
you? Absolutely. But if we sanction, we also punish those who are happy. | :18:52. | :18:58. | |
Tracing fish through the hugely complex to play chain is a | :18:59. | :19:04. | |
nightmare. According to the government 's own figures, only | :19:05. | :19:09. | |
10,000 of the 60,000 fishing boat at sea are actually registered. For | :19:10. | :19:14. | |
Europeans, how much can you guarantee that that fish is slavery | :19:15. | :19:22. | |
free? I think this is a good question because... For what -- for | :19:23. | :19:27. | |
work there is not a very good answer. It is only through the | :19:28. | :19:35. | |
consumers that we have been able to take a vent on the current | :19:36. | :19:39. | |
situation. I figured if it is they that the Thailand government is not | :19:40. | :19:47. | |
increasing its assets. The problem is growing very fast. I think the | :19:48. | :19:51. | |
government needs to restore their force. Pressure from consumers could | :19:52. | :20:01. | |
well bring about change. For now, the promise of work here continues | :20:02. | :20:05. | |
to drive people into the arms of the traffickers. I am travelling to | :20:06. | :20:14. | |
Myanmar. One of Thailand's poorest neighbours. Just an hour and a half | :20:15. | :20:17. | |
flight from Bangkok, it is the source of much of the labour on Thai | :20:18. | :20:18. | |
fishing boats. While there has been dramatic | :20:19. | :20:33. | |
political change in Burma recently, much of the country remains | :20:34. | :20:42. | |
desperately poor. The rural hinterland of Yangon is where Ken, | :20:43. | :20:47. | |
the fishermen we met in Bangkok is from. With the help of a lake will | :20:48. | :20:52. | |
charity worker, I am here to try and track down his parents and bring the | :20:53. | :21:02. | |
news of their son. This woman has worked in antitrafficking in Myanmar | :21:03. | :21:07. | |
for 12 years with the United Nations and various NGOs. We think that this | :21:08. | :21:14. | |
is can's village. We are hoping to meet his family. Fingers crossed. | :21:15. | :21:25. | |
Thanatpin is a tiny settlement. Finding Ken's family home does not | :21:26. | :21:34. | |
take long. His mother and father have not heard from him since he | :21:35. | :21:39. | |
left home four years ago. Until today, there did not know where he | :21:40. | :21:44. | |
had gone or whether he was alive or dead. Understandably, they are keen | :21:45. | :21:49. | |
to see the video we filmed with him in Bangkok. | :21:50. | :22:04. | |
His mother has put his hand up to her face. They say yes this is my | :22:05. | :22:21. | |
son. I am so happy because he is learning a skill. He has a fair | :22:22. | :22:35. | |
complexion and is gaining weight. It is such a mix of emotions for them. | :22:36. | :22:41. | |
You could see it in their eyes and reaction. I am so happy that he is | :22:42. | :22:48. | |
now in a better place. He said that our living conditions | :22:49. | :23:03. | |
and our house is very poor. I would like to have a better house for my | :23:04. | :23:09. | |
parents. He said that and he hugged us and kissed us. We did not know | :23:10. | :23:20. | |
where he went. His parents are not the only ones who are glad to hear | :23:21. | :23:26. | |
that Ken is OK. There is probably about 30 people who have come in who | :23:27. | :23:31. | |
all know Ken. They have all crowded around the computer. It just shows | :23:32. | :23:37. | |
how many people are waiting for loved ones to come back. And how | :23:38. | :23:47. | |
loved Ken was in this village. It is really obvious that people only been | :23:48. | :23:51. | |
because there are no jobs here. It is a very poor village. How typical | :23:52. | :23:59. | |
is a village like this? We hear many similar stories where people are | :24:00. | :24:03. | |
selling off their land, their clothes and property. To find the | :24:04. | :24:11. | |
children or the young people to emigrate to Thailand. Before we | :24:12. | :24:18. | |
would see this story only in other states. But now, many people from | :24:19. | :24:37. | |
central Myanmar. Yes. Perhaps there is less of a tradition of migrating. | :24:38. | :24:43. | |
Yes. There is more risk of being trafficked and exploited for them. I | :24:44. | :24:48. | |
had not realised that can's family had not heard from him or had any | :24:49. | :24:54. | |
news for him in the last four years. The other thing that really strikes | :24:55. | :24:57. | |
you is the powerful reasons that people have for leaving and | :24:58. | :25:02. | |
sometimes ending up trapped on fishing boats. They simply want to | :25:03. | :25:05. | |
make a better life for their families back here. The booming Thai | :25:06. | :25:13. | |
economy continues to attract migrant workers from Myanmar and elsewhere. | :25:14. | :25:18. | |
Growing international scrutiny has encouraged the Thai authorities to | :25:19. | :25:21. | |
at least talk the talk on forced labour. The sheer scale of the | :25:22. | :25:30. | |
problem corruption and the world's insatiable appetite for cheap | :25:31. | :25:32. | |
seafood mean some of Thailand fishing boats continue to be crude | :25:33. | :25:34. | |
by men who are forced to fish. It would be nice if we had a weekend | :25:35. | :26:20. | |
without Rehn, this is not going to be one of them. Several weather | :26:21. | :26:23. | |
systems coming our way this weekend. The first giving showers | :26:24. | :26:27. | |
from the word go on Saturday morning in Scotland and Northern | :26:28. | :26:28. |