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headlines. Now it is Our World. Hundred cars a will release hundreds | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
of detainees, in a controversial move. | :00:00. | :00:12. | |
Bagram Prison, outside carpel. Some have called it Afghanistan 's | :00:13. | :00:19. | |
one-time obey. Last month 65 prisoners were released from here. | :00:20. | :00:24. | |
They have been held without trial, some for many years. The Americans | :00:25. | :00:29. | |
think they are Taliban insurgents and killers. We will release people | :00:30. | :00:35. | |
who are clearly hard-core terrorists. But the Afghan | :00:36. | :00:41. | |
authorities say that their men and that the prison has been handed over | :00:42. | :00:46. | |
to them. People who have come out of the prison have told me that this is | :00:47. | :00:50. | |
a prison where they take innocent Afghans and turn them against their | :00:51. | :00:55. | |
own country. The week before their release I was given unprecedented | :00:56. | :01:00. | |
access inside Bagram Prison and met some of the detainees. Today we | :01:01. | :01:06. | |
investigate how the releases are threatening to derail relations | :01:07. | :01:14. | |
between Afghanistan and the United States in a key moment in the | :01:15. | :01:15. | |
history of this nation. I am on my way to Bagram Prison on | :01:16. | :01:54. | |
the outskirts of couple. -- Kabul. The facility is located just outside | :01:55. | :01:58. | |
the massive US military airbase at Bagram. Last year the wings | :01:59. | :02:07. | |
containing Afghan born prisoners were given over to Afghanistan but | :02:08. | :02:12. | |
the US still overseas cell blocks containing foreign combatants. My | :02:13. | :02:17. | |
guide was General Farooq Barakzai, the Afghan army commander in overall | :02:18. | :02:19. | |
charge of this place. When I was shown around this prison | :02:20. | :02:43. | |
still had 1340 inmates. The guards are all from the Afghan national | :02:44. | :02:49. | |
army. This place was only built four years ago and the overall conditions | :02:50. | :02:52. | |
were much better than anything I have seen elsewhere in the prison | :02:53. | :03:00. | |
system of Afghanistan. I get the guided tour. The first stop is the | :03:01. | :03:01. | |
visiting area. Next on the two were the kitchens. | :03:02. | :03:47. | |
-- tour. The general was part of the facility but this felt like a public | :03:48. | :03:51. | |
relations exercise. But get to meet the inmates and see how they really | :03:52. | :03:55. | |
lived? The prisoners were allowed one hour of outside exercise per | :03:56. | :04:02. | |
day. There was even a garden for the inmates. There are strict rules | :04:03. | :04:13. | |
here. Breaking them is not advisable. Especially not rule | :04:14. | :04:25. | |
number seven. Background is also an intrusive facility. CCTV is | :04:26. | :04:35. | |
everywhere. The roofs of cells are grids and the guards can look down | :04:36. | :04:38. | |
at all times. All external communications are monitored, very | :04:39. | :04:45. | |
obviously so. At the medical wing and allowed my first contact with | :04:46. | :04:46. | |
the inmates. -- I was allowed. There was also a dental service. All | :04:47. | :05:12. | |
of those waiting for treatment in this holding pen were shackled hand | :05:13. | :05:17. | |
and foot. It was here that the prisoners showed their anger. This | :05:18. | :05:25. | |
man said that he was a journalist and poetry Kandahar and was arrested | :05:26. | :05:29. | |
in a night-time raid by US forces. He had been held here for almost six | :05:30. | :05:36. | |
months. TRANSLATION: If they have evidence they should show it to me | :05:37. | :05:41. | |
and take me to court and imprisoned if a life if that's what they want. | :05:42. | :05:44. | |
But how can they just stick media for no reason? -- stick me here. | :05:45. | :05:54. | |
Detention without trial was repeated complaint. It is something that the | :05:55. | :05:59. | |
authorities in couple are acting on. In this room we met some of the 65 | :06:00. | :06:03. | |
men about to be released by the Afghan authorities, despite strong | :06:04. | :06:09. | |
objections from the US. The US military said that this man was a | :06:10. | :06:14. | |
Taliban co-ordinator who conducted bomb attacks. They said he was | :06:15. | :06:18. | |
caught with a firearm and propaganda on his phone as well is testing | :06:19. | :06:21. | |
positive for four types of explosives. He told us that he was | :06:22. | :06:28. | |
16 and a simple shepherd from hell manned province. We have no way of | :06:29. | :06:31. | |
knowing if he was telling the truth. But after a year in Bagram | :06:32. | :06:35. | |
Prison he certainly hated the Americans. TRANSLATION: I hate them | :06:36. | :06:42. | |
because I am here for no reason. Of course I hate them. I want to ask | :06:43. | :06:47. | |
them dashboard was my crime? If they gave me the evidence I would not | :06:48. | :06:50. | |
mind if they kept me in prison for ten years but nobody is asking about | :06:51. | :06:54. | |
that. I have spent a year far from my mother and father. Why? What is | :06:55. | :07:02. | |
the reason? Another inmate was described by the Americans as a | :07:03. | :07:10. | |
Taliban commander and financier of an Al Qaeda linked insurgent group | :07:11. | :07:16. | |
funded by donors in the Gulf states. But this man simply told me that he | :07:17. | :07:20. | |
bought himself a second-hand car in Dubai and was the victim of mistaken | :07:21. | :07:25. | |
identity. The US forces claimed that a arrested you because you were | :07:26. | :07:30. | |
funding a terrorist network. TRANSLATION: I have not helped | :07:31. | :07:36. | |
anybody with money. I have used this car for a while and some people who | :07:37. | :07:39. | |
have personal problems with me get the US military false information. | :07:40. | :07:46. | |
Despite their pleas of innocence, the US military is adamant that | :07:47. | :07:50. | |
these are all dangerous man. Just three weeks after we filmed them, | :07:51. | :07:55. | |
they were released from Bagram Prison amidst bitter political | :07:56. | :08:04. | |
creations. -- recriminations. This is all part of a high-level power | :08:05. | :08:08. | |
struggle between Washington and carpel about the future of | :08:09. | :08:12. | |
Afghanistan. After 13 years on the ground, US forces are leaving. | :08:13. | :08:18. | |
Delicate negotiations are going on about handover of power to the | :08:19. | :08:24. | |
Afghans. President Kaiser will leave office soon and he seems determined | :08:25. | :08:27. | |
to show his nationalist credentials by standing up to his American | :08:28. | :08:33. | |
allies. Getting prisoners out of Bagram Prison is all part of it. Mr | :08:34. | :08:39. | |
President, in a recent press conference he described Bagram | :08:40. | :08:43. | |
Prison as a Caliban making factory. What did you mean? Exactly that. | :08:44. | :08:53. | |
Those words are the words that people who have been released from | :08:54. | :09:01. | |
that prison have set themselves. They take innocent Afghans and turn | :09:02. | :09:04. | |
them against their own country and government. There is no denying that | :09:05. | :09:08. | |
there are elements of Al Qaeda and Taliban in prison. There are also | :09:09. | :09:19. | |
criminals, but those people who are criminals, real criminals, are a | :09:20. | :09:25. | |
minority. You have been accused of politicising this issue to enhance | :09:26. | :09:28. | |
your relationship and reputation with a Caliban. It is a political | :09:29. | :09:38. | |
issue. It is not related to the Caliban or the government. It is a | :09:39. | :09:55. | |
Afghan people issue. Afghan officials would not comment on | :09:56. | :09:58. | |
camera, but in Washington are met to officials who have been involved in | :09:59. | :10:03. | |
US Afghan relations in recent years. Is this decision-making | :10:04. | :10:09. | |
angry? It makes me angry and sad. Angry that we are going to release | :10:10. | :10:14. | |
people back out into the flight who clearly are hard-core terrorists. | :10:15. | :10:21. | |
Many of them were caught red-handed. The tests on their fingers showed | :10:22. | :10:27. | |
explosives. It is not as if this was questionable. These are the hard | :10:28. | :10:35. | |
core, literally over 1000 that we have released. He is corrupting the | :10:36. | :10:41. | |
Afghan rule of law, he is putting its population and our soldiers at | :10:42. | :10:45. | |
risk and there will be a price to be paid. There is a legal process to | :10:46. | :10:50. | |
decide which prisoners should stay in jail and which should go free. It | :10:51. | :10:55. | |
is a body called the Afghan Review Board. They have said that the | :10:56. | :11:01. | |
Americans have not been providing them with all of the intelligence | :11:02. | :11:05. | |
material that they need. TRANSLATION: If they could show us | :11:06. | :11:14. | |
intelligence files with these details, that this person was caught | :11:15. | :11:18. | |
at this location, detained at this time and he had this weapon and here | :11:19. | :11:22. | |
are his biometrics with the ballistics and the forensics, we | :11:23. | :11:26. | |
would accept this as significant. We have not seen this in any of the 764 | :11:27. | :11:36. | |
files that we have had. But the American military were saying the | :11:37. | :11:41. | |
exact opposite. I went to an off-camera briefing with senior US | :11:42. | :11:45. | |
personnel. They told me that the Afghan review board were wilfully | :11:46. | :11:52. | |
ignoring forensics evidence. They cited examples. The board had said | :11:53. | :11:58. | |
that explosive residue was inadmissible as evidence because it | :11:59. | :12:02. | |
was floating in the wind all over Afghanistan. They said that the | :12:03. | :12:06. | |
board had also dismissed a fingerprinted confession, obtained | :12:07. | :12:11. | |
from a legend Taliban commander, as having been generated by American | :12:12. | :12:15. | |
computers. But the Americans admitted to rejecting the names of | :12:16. | :12:18. | |
intelligence sources from files they had shared with the Board. Trust, it | :12:19. | :12:26. | |
seemed, was in short supply on both sides of this argument between | :12:27. | :12:32. | |
suppose it allies. The sources and methods that we used to gather | :12:33. | :12:36. | |
intelligence on insurgents will remain classified. We do not want to | :12:37. | :12:43. | |
give away to the enemy how we are able to detect what they are too. We | :12:44. | :12:48. | |
are declassifying is what is possible but most of these cases are | :12:49. | :12:52. | |
not dealing with classified information. Numerous cases involve | :12:53. | :13:01. | |
fingerprints found on explosives, by a metrically identified. When I | :13:02. | :13:10. | |
returned to Bagram Prison it was visiting time. Many of these | :13:11. | :13:16. | |
civilian visitors would have spent days crossing the country in order | :13:17. | :13:21. | |
to have less than an hour of time with incarcerated male relatives. | :13:22. | :13:27. | |
Once at Bagram Prison, they had to pass through several hours of | :13:28. | :13:31. | |
searches, checks, and biometric scans. Before being let in under the | :13:32. | :13:37. | |
watchful eye of heavily armed Afghan and American troops. Security at | :13:38. | :13:42. | |
visiting time was very tight. This was the visiting area where the | :13:43. | :13:57. | |
prisoners got to spend some time with their relatives. Although in | :13:58. | :14:00. | |
most cases, they were separated by a pane of toughened glass. None of the | :14:01. | :14:10. | |
prisoners are disabled. The wheelchairs are used because the leg | :14:11. | :14:15. | |
irons worn by the inmates mean that they cannot walk at speed. It is a | :14:16. | :14:20. | |
reminder of the security threat which of these men are said to pose. | :14:21. | :14:28. | |
After the visit is finished, I met one prisoner's mother. TRANSLATION: | :14:29. | :14:36. | |
I feel very bad because of all of this worrying about him. They are | :14:37. | :14:39. | |
all suffering from psychological problems now. This is life. His | :14:40. | :14:44. | |
father Brothers and sisters come to see him and they all leave, crying. | :14:45. | :14:51. | |
It is very difficult to see our son like this. They are lots of others | :14:52. | :14:56. | |
like my son here. For gods sake, they should think them. He only had | :14:57. | :15:04. | |
one court hearing in 1.5 years. The high security courtroom for trying | :15:05. | :15:07. | |
the detainees was just outside the prison walls. We had permission to | :15:08. | :15:11. | |
film here from the Attorney General's office in the capital and | :15:12. | :15:17. | |
we had a letter to prove it. -- Kabul. We were approached by men | :15:18. | :15:20. | |
from the Afghan and US intelligence services, suddenly. We are getting | :15:21. | :15:33. | |
blocked from accessing the judge's area. They tell us that we don't | :15:34. | :15:38. | |
have permission to go there and film. In the end, an American in | :15:39. | :15:43. | |
civilian clothes told us to stop filming altogether. It raises | :15:44. | :15:45. | |
questions about just how much control the Afghan side really has | :15:46. | :15:49. | |
over this place after last year's Candover from the Americans. Bagram | :15:50. | :15:56. | |
has a long history. When you look at what it symbolises now, do you find | :15:57. | :16:06. | |
that disturbing? Terrible. Ugly. Extremely disturbing. One of the | :16:07. | :16:16. | |
reasons our relation is not good with America. One of the important | :16:17. | :16:25. | |
reasons. At least the fate of the prisoner there, the DK me that, -- | :16:26. | :16:32. | |
of the DK me there, is now more than ever before in our hands than in | :16:33. | :16:41. | |
American hands. -- detainee there. No doubt, the Americans are trying | :16:42. | :16:45. | |
to retain some control. That is why they had been resisting it all | :16:46. | :16:49. | |
along. It is now a way where we decide to act and we can, as we have | :16:50. | :16:59. | |
shown. Towards the end of May visit, the general organiser group Mill | :17:00. | :17:02. | |
Force am of the long-term inmates. -- my visit. -- organised a group | :17:03. | :17:11. | |
meal. It was something he organised just for our cameras. One of the | :17:12. | :17:15. | |
guards told me that the food was better than usual and these | :17:16. | :17:21. | |
prisoners were normally shackled. After lunch, the general then | :17:22. | :17:26. | |
organised a public meeting for the prisoners to speak their minds to | :17:27. | :17:30. | |
our cameras. They certainly did that. | :17:31. | :17:53. | |
This man is said that he had been arrested four years ago and being | :17:54. | :17:59. | |
tortured by Americans for 70 days in a nearby facility that he called the | :18:00. | :18:01. | |
Black Jail. Claims about secret prisons in | :18:02. | :19:16. | |
Afghanistan are not you -- are not new but they have never been proved. | :19:17. | :19:20. | |
Senior US monetary figures later told me that they had been informed | :19:21. | :19:22. | |
of this man's allegations and were investigating. Shortly afterwards, | :19:23. | :19:27. | |
they e-mailed me, saying that the prisoner had never previously | :19:28. | :19:30. | |
complained about being tortured. They added that they had information | :19:31. | :19:33. | |
which suggested that some inmates may have been coached by a member of | :19:34. | :19:39. | |
the staff at the Bagram complex to make false claims about abuse to the | :19:40. | :19:43. | |
BBC. Although we explained that several other inmates had also | :19:44. | :19:47. | |
referred to abuse in a black jail, they denied that the Department of | :19:48. | :19:52. | |
Defence had ever operated any black sites or secret prisons. | :19:53. | :19:58. | |
As my visit to the jail came to an end, it struck me how the place was | :19:59. | :20:05. | |
a symbol of a much wider misunderstanding between? Cultures | :20:06. | :20:08. | |
and two different visions of what had happen in this country. -- | :20:09. | :20:15. | |
between two cultures. All the men who were praying in this room were | :20:16. | :20:20. | |
among those I had met on May one day in Bagram prison. -- on May one day. | :20:21. | :20:31. | |
They included the 16-year-old Mohibullah who told me that he now | :20:32. | :20:34. | |
hated the Americans. Was he a farmer as he claimed or a dangerous | :20:35. | :20:39. | |
insurgent as the US had told me? Either way, within two weeks of my | :20:40. | :20:43. | |
visit, he and 64 other inmates would be freed. You mentioned of these | :20:44. | :20:48. | |
prisoners that are about to be released and the review board has | :20:49. | :20:54. | |
declared an innocent but they say that they have Afghan blood on their | :20:55. | :20:57. | |
hands. They are criminals? They always say that. How else would they | :20:58. | :21:02. | |
have an excuse to keep someone in prison? Except to accuse them of | :21:03. | :21:08. | |
something. How were judicial bodies, our judiciary, our | :21:09. | :21:16. | |
intelligence had nothing on them. When the Americans brought their | :21:17. | :21:23. | |
concerns to me, I personally conducted a review of the issue. | :21:24. | :21:27. | |
Believe it or not, after 12 years, he will not admit that there is an | :21:28. | :21:32. | |
insurgency in his country. He is reluctant to admit that there are | :21:33. | :21:36. | |
people trying to overthrow his government. He looks at these people | :21:37. | :21:39. | |
as we would Brothers. Most Afghans look at the Taliban remnants as | :21:40. | :21:43. | |
people trying to destroy their lives. Afghan TV ran these pictures | :21:44. | :21:54. | |
on pedigree 13 as the detainees were released. Whether they were all | :21:55. | :21:58. | |
innocent as the Afghans say or heading back to the battlefields of | :21:59. | :22:01. | |
the Americans fear, it remains to be seen. The Afghan decision to set | :22:02. | :22:06. | |
them free in the face of such strong American objections is a further | :22:07. | :22:11. | |
example of just how sour the relationship between these supposed | :22:12. | :22:12. | |
allies has become. It has come at a time when levels of | :22:13. | :22:22. | |
Taliban violence have been growing and the targets are not just a | :22:23. | :22:26. | |
military forces in the provinces. This is all that is left of an | :22:27. | :22:35. | |
upmarket Kabul restaurant. On January 18, it was the sight of the | :22:36. | :22:39. | |
deadliest ever attack on foreign civilians in this country. The | :22:40. | :22:42. | |
suicide bomber took out the armed guards at the entrance and then two | :22:43. | :22:47. | |
gunmen opened fire on the customers and staff inside. | :22:48. | :22:53. | |
21 civilians were killed here, 13 foreigners and eight at hands. Some | :22:54. | :22:59. | |
were just trying to earn a living and others are trying to have a | :23:00. | :23:04. | |
night out. -- eight Afghans. The walls are still scarred with bullet | :23:05. | :23:09. | |
holes from the gun battle that followed and worse. There is blood | :23:10. | :23:14. | |
right here. It is a gruesome reminder of the brutality of the | :23:15. | :23:18. | |
conflict here. The heated environment into which the disputed | :23:19. | :23:24. | |
prisoner releases have taken place. While the Americans are handing over | :23:25. | :23:27. | |
power to the Afghans and pulling out most of their forces, they want to | :23:28. | :23:31. | |
keep some military bases here along with about 10,000 troops. That will | :23:32. | :23:36. | |
not happen unless the treaty called the bilateral security agreement or | :23:37. | :23:44. | |
BSA is signed and to date, president cars I has refused to put pen to | :23:45. | :23:49. | |
paper. If I want to give the Americans a basis, I don't have the | :23:50. | :23:55. | |
right to ask something in return? -- President Karzai. They have promised | :23:56. | :24:01. | |
me money in return. I don't care about money. I want to bring peace | :24:02. | :24:06. | |
and stability to Afghanistan. I don't care about... In my view, | :24:07. | :24:14. | |
these are the two countries which can launch of the peace process with | :24:15. | :24:21. | |
the Taliban. Who are in charge of it one way or another. There are | :24:22. | :24:24. | |
accusations that you are refusing to sign the agreement because you are | :24:25. | :24:27. | |
more concerned about your own legacy than the future of Afghanistan. Of | :24:28. | :24:36. | |
course I'm concerned with my legacy. I don't want to sign something that | :24:37. | :24:38. | |
I don't think is good for Afghanistan. Under the | :24:39. | :24:42. | |
circumstances. But no, immediately, it is not my legacy. It is what I | :24:43. | :24:50. | |
want from this agreement with the Americans to bring to the Afghan | :24:51. | :24:54. | |
people. You have always heard me speak of peace. The Taliban killed | :24:55. | :24:59. | |
my brother. The next day, I went to say that they are our brothers. They | :25:00. | :25:05. | |
are Afghan people and I want peace. The only thing that will bring the | :25:06. | :25:08. | |
Taliban to the table is if they believe that they are not winning. | :25:09. | :25:12. | |
Right now, I greatly fear that we will be withdrawing and we will see | :25:13. | :25:17. | |
another Iraq which is now deteriorated into chaos. That was an | :25:18. | :25:25. | |
abject failure. We are seeing that same movie again in Afghanistan. | :25:26. | :25:32. | |
Every Friday evening, football games are played out in the shadows of the | :25:33. | :25:42. | |
battle scarred palace in Kabul. The young men he hoped for better days | :25:43. | :25:46. | |
to come but the shell shattered building is a stark reminder of | :25:47. | :25:52. | |
Afghanistan's brutal recent history. As foreign forces pull out after 13 | :25:53. | :25:57. | |
years of fighting, and the peaceful future for this long-suffering | :25:58. | :25:58. | |
country looks as far away as ever. Meteorologists refer to the start of | :25:59. | :26:31. | |
March as the start of spring. | :26:32. | :26:33. |