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I just started screaming and crying, and telling them not to shoot me.

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And so he shot the girl, he shot her in the head in front of me.

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The subjects were not only going on a rampage, but they were going

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to destroy the school.

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The Columbine High School massacre had a seismic impact upon America.

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13 people died and 24 others were injured before the two killers

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turned their guns on themselves.

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I have to take this moment once again

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to hammer home to all the children of America that violence is wrong.

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The actions of teenagers Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold made Columbine

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a byword for the phenomenon of school shootings,

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that terrible day often cited as an inspiration for other attacks.

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In the aftermath of the tragedy, the parents of the two killers came

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in for fierce criticism.

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People asked, how could they not have known?

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How could they have missed the signs?

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Now, after 17 years, the mother of one of the two killers

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has broken her silence.

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The guilt I feel even loving Dylan, or feeling that way about him,

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knowing what he did and how he hurt other people...

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For 17 years, Dylan Klebold's mother Sue has been trying to understand

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what drove her son to kill.

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I felt that by sharing this story it might help somebody.

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It might give them an opportunity to view their own

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families, their own children, differently, and see things

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in a way that I was unable to see.

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What kind of child was he?

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He was a cherub, he was precocious, he was extremely bright, playful,

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loving, thick, long hair, like a mane, and just a happy,

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engaged, engaging child.

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In the book you say that when Dylan was born you had a premonition that

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something awful was going to happen.

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It was the strangest thing, and I have never in my life had

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anything happen like that.

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When Dylan was an infant, he was newborn and I was in the hospital,

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and I was holding him in my arms, and I had a sudden feeling.

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It was - all I can think of, it was like a bird of prey had

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passed over us, and I just felt the shadow had rushed across my face.

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And this feeling I got was that this child will bring you sorrow,

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that something is wrong.

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And it was so bizarre, because he was a healthy,

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perfectly healthy child.

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But I do remember having that feeling,

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and I never thought about it again until, like, the day after Columbine

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I woke up and I remembered that.

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Dylan Klebold lived in this house in the sandstone foothills of Jefferson

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County for almost a decade.

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Dylan, his older brother Byron, his mother Sue and his father Tom

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were a typical suburban family.

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Sue worked with disabled students in community college,

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Tom was a geophysicist.

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Both looked for good behaviour in their boys.

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Dylan and Eric met at middle school, and entered Columbine High in 1995,

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aged 14 and 15 respectively.

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Over time they became increasingly close.

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Dylan nicknamed himself Vodka, Eric was Reb, short for rebel.

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Eric Harris spent a bit of time at your house, but he was a friend

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of Dylan's for awhile, and once you even gave him a job reference.

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What were your impressions of him?

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My impressions of Eric for the most part was that he was

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a perfectly normal, likeable kid.

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The only time I ever saw Eric act in a way that I thought was

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inappropriate was at a football game, when they were

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both at a football game, on the football team, and their team lost.

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I thought, well, here is a moody kid who has just lost his cool, and...

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You know, it wasn't anything that struck me as being dangerous.

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But what was Dylan's relationship with him like, do you think?

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I felt that up until that time that they got in trouble together...

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Which was 1997.

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It was 14 months before they died, they both were involved in a theft.

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They stole something out of a parked van.

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They both got arrested, and they got into something called

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a Diversion programme.

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When that incident occurred, I determined that their influence

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on each other was not a good thing.

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My husband and I made an effort to try and keep

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them apart more, and to very closely monitor this relationship.

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And it seemed to us that Dylan had pulled back from that relationship

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a lot on his own.

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The boys escaped a criminal record by enrolling in a rehabilitation

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programme known as Diversion.

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But Dylan's behaviour towards his parents was becoming

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increasingly erratic.

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Dylan became more withdrawn, more hostile.

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But he still took part in family events, he held down a part-time

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job, he went to the school prom three days before the massacre.

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But what his parents didn't know was that Dylan Klebold had

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been suicidal for two years.

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He poured all his rage and upset into diaries and journals,

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that were only handed to the Klebolds by the police almost

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two years after the killings.

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In the Diversion paperwork, you wrote Dylan is introverted and has

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grown apart from those of his age.

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He is often sullen, his behaviour seem disrespectful to others.

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He seems intolerant of those in authority, and intolerant of others.

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These were some of the core issues affecting him.

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Right, and what I wanted to do when we went to Diversion,

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I was so worried about him that I wanted to put everything into

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the Diversion report that could show any kind of concerns that I had.

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So I tried to be extremely open, to say, yes, he gets irritable, and

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yes, he does spend time in his room, because I wanted them to be able to

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help him and help us deal with this.

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That was as bad as it got with Dylan, when I tried to say,

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what could I say that would put it all out there, so they could help?

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You talked about having concerns over his behaviour.

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So did you check on his room?

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Oh, yes.

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In the times that I was in and out of his room, it was because I was

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checking to see how clean it was.

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I mean, it was like, you need to change your bed,

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you know, let's get this picked up.

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I wasn't looking for anything wrong, because I didn't see it.

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Now, after he was arrested, yes, I searched his room.

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We tore his room apart, because it was like, what is missing?

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I believe in searching kids' rooms for their own protection.

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But over time - as I said, the arrest was 14 months before he died,

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he was a graduating senior going for college, and it seemed that at some

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point it was no longer appropriate to search his room, because he was

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going to be moving out and living on his own.

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Dylan was just weeks away from graduation

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when the massacre took place.

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Columbine High School is 15 miles south of Denver, in the shadow

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of the Rocky Mountains.

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On 20 April 1999, its name became infamous around the world when

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Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris calmly drove their cars, packed with

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explosives, guns and grenades, into the school's parking lot, and

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set about destroying the school.

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This wasn't a moment of madness.

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It was a cold-blooded massacre, one ten months in the planning.

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-- It was a cold-blooded massacre, months and months in the planning.

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A suburban high school turned into a killing field.

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One by one, they extracted the dead and injured from the school.

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This teenager was rescued from an upstairs classroom.

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I have been a SWAT officer since 1980, and this was clearly

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the most devastating and traumatic scene that I had ever seen.

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I hope never to see it again.

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Tell me how that day began.

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It was still dark, and the house was black.

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And I heard Dylan thundering down the stairs in his boots,

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because his bedroom was upstairs and ours was down.

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And I was startled, because it was too early for him to be up.

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And I opened my bedroom door, and I yelled, Dyl?

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And he had run past my room, down the stairs,

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and he was out the front door.

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And I couldn't see him, but all I heard him say was bye, and

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then he slammed the door and left.

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And I was very concerned.

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I woke my husband immediately, and said something is bothering him.

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Would you be home today, will you talk with him?

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My husband walked out of our home, and he said I will be home,

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I will be home all day, I will talk to him when he gets home.

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And then what happened?

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I was getting ready to go to a meeting, I worked

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for the community college system.

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And I had left my desk and came back and the message light

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was flashing on the telephone.

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And I thought, well, I better listen to this.

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I picked up the phone and listened, and it was my husband's voice,

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and he sounded horribly upset.

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His voice was cracking, he could hardly breathe.

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And he said, listen to the television.

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Something horrible is happening at school.

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It was such a day of confusion.

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We had police came to our home.

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We were asked to leave our home, we had to sit outside.

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We sat on the ground all day.

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At that stage, though, you must have thought that it was more likely that

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your son was involved in the shooting, as opposed to being shot.

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We could hear through the window, the television was on, and at one

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point we heard 25 people were dead.

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And I remember at that point thinking, if Dylan is really

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doing this, he must stop.

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That moment was when I really...

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I prayed for him to die.

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I thought, something has got to stop this,

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whatever it is that is going on.

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It took me a very long time to believe, months, to believe that

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my son was actually responsible for killing and hurting people.

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Up until that time, I believe I was living in a really...

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An extreme state of denial, just saying, he was there,

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but he didn't really kill anybody, or he wasn't what they are saying.

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It was Eric.

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Yes, it had to be Eric.

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What his parents were unaware of was that Dylan had hidden

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a sawn-off shotgun and ammunition in his bedroom.

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Police later said that Klebold and Harris had prepared 99 home-made

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explosives for use in the attack.

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It must have been a very strange thing to compute,

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to know that between them, Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris were

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going to blow up the whole school.

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That was one of the most difficult moments of this entire process.

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I had to go through so many... so many phases of accepting this

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and accepting OK, they were there.

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OK, they hurt people.

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And it was purposeful.

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Yes, it was planned, it wasn't impulsiveness.

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And then at the police report to finally learn

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their plan had been to kill everyone in the school, but it failed.

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When I thought of that and thought of the magnitude,

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I really didn't think I was going to live through it.

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In the book, you describe him as withdrawn and monosyllabic

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sometimes, and took failure hard, and I wonder, do you feel there

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were certain signs you missed?

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I think there were.

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In particular, the fact that in his junior year,

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several things happened to him.

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We had all those issues in a row.

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He got arrested, he got in trouble at school, he had

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scratched a locker at school.

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I did not recognise that those things meant that there was a

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potential life-and-death situation.

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I did not recognise these were possible signs

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of a mental condition.

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According to FBI records, there have been 50 mass murders or

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attempted mass murders at schools in America since Columbine.

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Sue Klebold made one stipulation before our interview -

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that we would not show the CCTV pictures of Dylan and Eric

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in the school during the massacre...

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for fear of copycat attacks.

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You were asked to go to the Sheriff's Office six months after

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the massacre to be shown videos.

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Tell me about that.

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It was a collection of the two of them talking

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about what they were going to do and being horribly violent and hateful.

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I remember when I saw that, I stood up

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and thought I was going to be ill.

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It was such a shock.

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The person I was seeing on that film was not anybody I could recognise.

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It was not Dylan.

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But at that point, did you have to face up to the fact that he was

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equally responsible for Columbine?

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That's correct.

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That was the moment, that was the day which I learned he was not

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an innocent bystander who happened to get involved.

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This was not an impulsive act.

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He prepared for this for a long period of time,

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and he was equally involved in killing people and saying horrible

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things to people before they died.

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In the aftermath of the massacre, you had support from friends

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and co-workers,

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but you also had a substantial firestorm coming at you.

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What sort of things happened?

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I remember being in a grocery store and paying with a

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cheque, and the checker recognised my name and asked if I knew him,

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and I said, "Yes, he was my son".

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And she started in a very loud voice saying this was the work of Satan,

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and just shouting at me.

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I was trying to bag my groceries and get out.

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I would turn on the radio and hear myself being discussed and

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called disgusting.

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So these were just things that happened, and it created a feeling

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of being watched and judged.

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This instant decision about what had happened by people who didn't know.

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People want to believe it's something as simple

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as bad parenting.

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Because that is a comforting thought.

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Nobody wants to believe this could happen to us.

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And I think it made people feel safer to believe that we were all

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of the things they wished we were, or perceived us to be,

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or imprinted on us.

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Because then they would feel, "This could not happen to me,

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because I'm not like that".

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You also wrote to the victims' families.

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I did do that, yes.

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One father did write back to us about a year later,

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which I was extremely grateful for, and wanted to meet us.

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It was profoundly comforting to me and meant so much to me.

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I received a letter from the sister of one

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of the girls who had been shot.

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And then one of the mothers of one of the girls who had been

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killed also reached out and wanted to meet with me.

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And those things meant so much to me.

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I could not even begin to explain how it felt so wonderful to have

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them be gracious enough and brave enough to do that.

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Sue Klebold now believes that Dylan's suicidal years were

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a significant factor in the Columbine massacre.

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Since 1999, she has become increasingly involved

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in the issue of suicide prevention.

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She's written a book about the Columbine tragedy,

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A Mother's Reckoning, donating profits to mental health charities.

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You say in the book, "I should listen more and lecture less".

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In all the years since I lost Dylan, I wish I had

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just said, "You feel that way.

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Tell me some more about how you feel."

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I think I had a tendency to lecture, tell him what to do,

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or to do what parents do.

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And I just wished that I had talked much less.

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You wrote in the book it would have been better for the world if Dylan

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had not been born, but it would not have been better for you.

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The guilt I feel at even loving Dylan,

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or feeling that way about him, knowing what he did and how he hurt

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other people, but Dylan was my son.

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And knowing him did enrich my life, and I loved him, and he brought joy

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to me when he was alive.

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And since his death, I have found meaning in life

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by trying to find answers to understand why this happened and how

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this terrible thing came about.

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What do you wish you had said to Dylan that morning

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when he ran out of the house?

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I think I wish I had just tackled him.

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And just said, "Sit down, you're not going anywhere.

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We're going to talk."

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I read somewhere you had worn a piece of his clothing,

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you held onto things.

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Yes, I did wear his clothes for a long time.

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My husband and I both did.

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It's just a feeling of wanting him a little bit closer.

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In the aftermath of all this,

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your very strong and long marriage didn't survive.

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I wonder why you decided to go your separate ways.

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You said, "For the sake of our friendship".

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Right.

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When this tragedy happened, it was like

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a lightning bolt hitting a tree.

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It just sort of split whatever the marriage was.

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We responded to the tragedy differently, and what we felt

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our life calling was in relation to this.

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It was like being on a ice floe that just got smaller and smaller,

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and there was no common ground.

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The tragedy, which was at the time the worst school shooting in

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American history, cast a long shadow.

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Families were shattered, sons and daughters dead.

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One teacher murdered as he tried to protect students.

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And those shot that day and survived, some are living with

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the most horrific wounds.

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Have you been to the memorial?

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I have.

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What happened when you went there?

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I have gone quite a few times.

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And what I do is I sit there, and in my head I talk to the kids.

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And to the teacher who was there.

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Without the rest of the world, without parents, lawyers, community.

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I just want them to know that I'm thinking of them...

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And I will always think of them.

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Do you want to take a moment?

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I'm OK.

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OK.

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You talk a lot in the book about faith.

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Do you still believe in God?

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Not in the same way that I did before.

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I wonder if you had religion before in a different way, or whether you

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believe there is an afterlife?

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I don't know.

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I go back and forth on that.

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If there is, you will see Dylan again.

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That's really what I'm asking.

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That is the one thing I have hoped for, again and again, that at some

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moment, either in this present life or in the transition or in the

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afterlife, that I must see him again.

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I'm hoping that I will see him again.

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If you believe in good and evil, you might be in a different place.

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I know, I know. I know.

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A lot of people will read this book and read it in a lot

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of different ways, because it will mean a lot to different groups.

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It will mean a lot to the victims' families, to the survivors, some

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of whom are still, two, in a wheelchair.

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What would you say to them?

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What do you say to them now?

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I have this feeling of wanting to say over and over again, "I'm sorry,

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I'm sorry, I'm sorry".

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And I know that such a thing is so completely inadequate,

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but I don't know what else to say besides I'm sorry.

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I'm just so sorry for what Dylan did, and I wouldn't even know what

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