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may find distressing. | 0:00:00 | 0:00:04 | |
HAUNTING MUSIC THROUGHOUT. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:27 | |
We didn't believe that we would be
killed because there are so many | 0:00:27 | 0:00:32 | |
people and I couldn't believe they
could kill all of us. Srebrenica, | 0:00:32 | 0:00:37 | |
the setting for Europe's worst
atrocity since World War Two. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:41 | |
Gunfire. In July 1995, Bosnian Serbs
soldiers are sick of thousands of | 0:00:41 | 0:00:54 | |
unarmed Muslim men and boys here. --
massacred. A small number of | 0:00:54 | 0:01:00 | |
survivors have since returned. I had
nightmares. And I didn't... Ever get | 0:01:00 | 0:01:09 | |
rid off. Returning here and is
living here maybe it is therapy for | 0:01:09 | 0:01:16 | |
me. But the genocide verdicts of the
International Court are being | 0:01:16 | 0:01:21 | |
questioned by local politicians and
the town's new mayor, even here in | 0:01:21 | 0:01:25 | |
the very place where ethnic
cleansing happened. Inflation | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
-- the genocide didn't happen, that
his officials. This man now finds | 0:01:34 | 0:01:40 | |
his incredible story of survival of
his community's re- identity, a | 0:01:40 | 0:01:44 | |
matter of dispute. Almost 20 years I
was violent. Later, I realised that | 0:01:44 | 0:01:52 | |
we have to struggle for the truth,
for our lives. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:56 | |
He returned to Srebrenica ten years
ago. He and his wife are bringing up | 0:02:05 | 0:02:11 | |
their three daughters here. It is
the Serb run entity within | 0:02:11 | 0:02:17 | |
Bosnia-Herzegovina that was formally
recognised after the war but with | 0:02:17 | 0:02:20 | |
some Bosnian Muslims or Bosnia Acts
believed entrenched Muslim cleansing | 0:02:20 | 0:02:26 | |
-- ethnic cleansing. He is one of
only six men and boys who survived | 0:02:26 | 0:02:33 | |
being rounded up, taken to mass
execution sites, and shot in July | 0:02:33 | 0:02:38 | |
1995, 8000 did not. I had something
inside me to come here, to show them | 0:02:38 | 0:02:48 | |
that I survived. Maybe it is the
best answer to all of those who | 0:02:48 | 0:02:59 | |
denied the genocide and it is a
revenge. His decision to live here | 0:02:59 | 0:03:07 | |
is cathartic and political. Aimed at
those who wanted Muslims are raised | 0:03:07 | 0:03:13 | |
from here. He says it is
increasingly difficult. Life here is | 0:03:13 | 0:03:17 | |
not easy. Today we fight for
justice. It isn't finished. Without | 0:03:17 | 0:03:26 | |
justice, there is no reconciliation.
It is an illusion. I am worried | 0:03:26 | 0:03:35 | |
because of this course and
everywhere you have propaganda and | 0:03:35 | 0:03:40 | |
because of that my wife just wants
to leave Srebrenica. There are | 0:03:40 | 0:03:45 | |
different realities here, many
Bosnian Serbs see men deemed Walker | 0:03:45 | 0:03:51 | |
and also as he arose when the
political second in command from the | 0:03:51 | 0:03:55 | |
war days was released from prison,
he was fated. One person's | 0:03:55 | 0:04:02 | |
nationalism is another's rightful
pride in the country and with | 0:04:02 | 0:04:07 | |
international eyes focused
elsewhere, Bosnians fear the tide is | 0:04:07 | 0:04:11 | |
turning. In a recent referendum,
Bosnian Serbs voted overwhelmingly | 0:04:11 | 0:04:15 | |
for the annual National Day, which
the country's court had ruled | 0:04:15 | 0:04:19 | |
illegal, and Bosnian Serb
politicians from the President down | 0:04:19 | 0:04:24 | |
don't accept international court
verdicts concerning Srebrenica. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:28 | |
22 years ago, Srebrenica was a place
of fear. With Bosnian Serbs, Croats | 0:05:01 | 0:05:06 | |
and Muslims killing each other
across the region, the UN had | 0:05:06 | 0:05:11 | |
declared the town of safe haven back
in 1993 and thousands of Bosnian | 0:05:11 | 0:05:15 | |
civilians flocked there. In among
them young men. The siege by the | 0:05:15 | 0:05:25 | |
Bosnian Serbs, abandoned by the UN
in July 19 99. Agreeing to transport | 0:05:25 | 0:05:29 | |
the refugees to safety, Bosnian Serb
forces captured the town. The woman | 0:05:29 | 0:05:35 | |
and her mother with the other women
and children and were bussed out, | 0:05:35 | 0:05:39 | |
the Bosnian Serb planned to kill the
Muslim men and boys was under way. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:43 | |
Have you watched those pictures, to
your room but the feeling? Yes. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
Everything. It is... Painful to
remember this. But it is part of | 0:05:57 | 0:06:07 | |
life. Passed. Our past. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:10 | |
The head of the killings, the leader
of the Bosnian Serb forces general | 0:06:16 | 0:06:20 | |
Ratko Mladic had a great play of
promising civilians safe passage. He | 0:06:20 | 0:06:25 | |
is now facing genocide charges at
his trial in The Hague. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:30 | |
The killing of Srebrenica's Muslims
has been judged genocide by the war | 0:06:48 | 0:06:55 | |
crimes tribunal in The Hague. The UN
definition is the intent to destroy | 0:06:55 | 0:06:59 | |
a group of people raced on
nationality, race, ethnicity or | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
religion. It was systematic killing,
organised killing, and it was | 0:07:02 | 0:07:09 | |
organised by, from a higher level,
to achieve all of that you need so | 0:07:09 | 0:07:14 | |
many resources, so many trucks, so
many buses, so many et cetera. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:24 | |
The scars of war are still evident
in Srebrenica today. This was | 0:07:30 | 0:07:35 | |
probably Muslim town but many who
survived those times chose not to | 0:07:35 | 0:07:40 | |
come back to a place international
community had agreed would be part | 0:07:40 | 0:07:44 | |
of the Bosnian Serb entity. There is
a feeling of emptiness, of once | 0:07:44 | 0:07:53 | |
thriving industries that never
recovered. Economically depressed, | 0:07:53 | 0:07:57 | |
life here is hard, any geek out a
living in a way that has changed | 0:07:57 | 0:08:02 | |
little over centuries. Last year,
the town collected a new mayor who | 0:08:02 | 0:08:06 | |
has promised economic development.
It is the first time as Serb has | 0:08:06 | 0:08:11 | |
filled the role since the war. His
views on the Srebrenica massacre | 0:08:11 | 0:08:15 | |
have caused alarm among Srebrenica
who have returned. For me it isn't a | 0:08:15 | 0:08:21 | |
problem to have a mayor who is a
Serb, it is no problem, we are | 0:08:21 | 0:08:25 | |
looking for more tolerance. He is a
guy who denies all past, denies the | 0:08:25 | 0:08:33 | |
genocide. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:35 | |
The Balkans have always been a
powderkeg and is now the agreements | 0:08:40 | 0:08:44 | |
that brought about the end of the
war are looking ever more fragile. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
There is increasing talk of them
breaking away from the rest of | 0:08:47 | 0:08:52 | |
Bosnia which would leave the
entities Bosnian Muslims living in a | 0:08:52 | 0:08:56 | |
potentially hostile country. The
republic's resident unveiled a | 0:08:56 | 0:09:02 | |
university dormitory in honour of
the former president just a few days | 0:09:02 | 0:09:07 | |
before The Hague war crimes in a
reform found him guilty of genocide. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:12 | |
The mayor of the city is from the
same party as him. Do you believe he | 0:09:12 | 0:09:18 | |
is a hero? | 0:09:18 | 0:09:23 | |
Do you accept the judgement of the
International Court that genocide | 0:09:43 | 0:09:47 | |
happened in Srebrenica? | 0:09:47 | 0:09:48 | |
He took a journey he did back in
1995 then as a prisoner, crammed | 0:10:30 | 0:10:35 | |
into a truck with dozens of others,
their hands tied behind their backs. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:41 | |
That is the place where the mass
execution took place. It was night | 0:10:41 | 0:10:48 | |
and they were shooting and firing
outside. You could see the lines, | 0:10:48 | 0:10:52 | |
rows and rows of dead waddies. I
knew it was the end, really, in that | 0:10:52 | 0:10:58 | |
moment. They asked us to lay down
and it is thought of my mother, she | 0:10:58 | 0:11:07 | |
would never know where I ended up.
How I finished. Then they started | 0:11:07 | 0:11:18 | |
firing and I was dying. I could just
hear moans. Moans of other people | 0:11:18 | 0:11:27 | |
who were wounded. It was so painful.
I just prayed not to die. And then I | 0:11:27 | 0:11:40 | |
noticed someone was moving in front
of me. That cost him are you alive? | 0:11:40 | 0:11:50 | |
He said yes, I am alive. That's
enough. I can show you something | 0:11:50 | 0:11:59 | |
else. Maybe security could come. We
get asked a lot of him, the horror | 0:11:59 | 0:12:08 | |
playing out in his head as he
described escaping with the other | 0:12:08 | 0:12:12 | |
survive. While the soldiers went to
collect more prisoners to kill. I | 0:12:12 | 0:12:18 | |
was crawling, crawling over the dead
bodies. The Broken Head is, it | 0:12:18 | 0:12:24 | |
was... | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
He was badly wounded and in terrible
pain. The other man encouraged the | 0:12:35 | 0:12:40 | |
teenager to keep crawling. As day
broke and they climbed through the | 0:12:40 | 0:12:45 | |
forest, the full-scale and planning
behind the massacre became apparent. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:50 | |
They were collecting the dead bodies
and they would put that on the | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
trucks, the trucks, don't you
remember now, and the tractors were | 0:12:53 | 0:13:01 | |
going somewhere, I don't remember
where, probably to mass graves. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:05 | |
After the war, the international
effort to find and identify the | 0:13:05 | 0:13:09 | |
missing thousands began. Among the
dead, his father and uncle. I know | 0:13:09 | 0:13:14 | |
from my uncle that his remains were
found in four mass graves. They | 0:13:14 | 0:13:22 | |
wanted to hide it and excavated them
and rebury them again. Because they | 0:13:22 | 0:13:32 | |
were dead they broke their bodies. I
wondered whether people living | 0:13:32 | 0:13:37 | |
around the site now would know what
happened there. Many of them | 0:13:37 | 0:13:44 | |
probably, the talk, they don't want
anything about it. Why not? They | 0:13:44 | 0:13:50 | |
have fear of their lives. If they
talked about what happened here? | 0:13:50 | 0:13:56 | |
Yep, of course. Fear of their lives
from true? From those who committed | 0:13:56 | 0:14:03 | |
the crime and who, who supported the
crime and who approved the crime. Do | 0:14:03 | 0:14:12 | |
some of them still live around here?
Yes, of course. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:17 | |
Each gravestone in the vast oral to
the genocide victims has the same | 0:14:23 | 0:14:28 | |
year of death, 1995. It has been
painstakingly slow. Every year on | 0:14:28 | 0:14:36 | |
the July anniversary, more people
are buried. Sometimes a bone | 0:14:36 | 0:14:40 | |
fragment is all that is identified.
The international court in The Hague | 0:14:40 | 0:14:45 | |
has said six are guilty. One is
awaiting judgement. Silia testified | 0:14:45 | 0:14:59 | |
against him and others. In a grave,
many of her family lie at rest. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:10 | |
A few miles from Srebrenica, as the
primary school day begins, it has | 0:16:06 | 0:16:15 | |
become politicised. These children
are being educated separately from | 0:16:15 | 0:16:24 | |
their peers. Their parents set up up
their own Islamic school. They | 0:16:24 | 0:16:27 | |
claimed they were forced to do so
because in subjects from history to | 0:16:27 | 0:16:32 | |
geography to literature, even what
the language is called, their | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
heritage was being excluded. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:39 | |
Do you believe that this is a
deliberate decision by the | 0:16:56 | 0:17:01 | |
politicians, the people, the
officials running the education | 0:17:01 | 0:17:06 | |
system, to make you feel unwelcome? | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
This man's daughters are still too
young for these issues to apply. But | 0:17:21 | 0:17:26 | |
with politicians ramping up the
rhetoric against their rivals, he | 0:17:26 | 0:17:32 | |
worries what they will be caught in
future if they stay in the Republic. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:37 | |
Srebrenica's municipal assembly now
has more Serb councillors than | 0:17:37 | 0:17:45 | |
Muslim. In the opposition, a Serb
who has been in politics since the | 0:17:45 | 0:17:51 | |
war days. He is the local president,
and also the town's secretary | 0:17:51 | 0:17:56 | |
councillor. If people would
recognise and called it a genocide, | 0:17:56 | 0:18:02 | |
reconciliation could happen. Because
that is not happening, it is | 0:18:02 | 0:18:07 | |
impossible. Do you think it was a
genocide? And what do you think | 0:18:07 | 0:18:12 | |
about that viewpoint? | 0:18:12 | 0:18:19 | |
Blaming international meddling for
the possible breakup of | 0:18:50 | 0:18:54 | |
Bosnia-Herzegovina is tried and
tested political discourse here. The | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
president regularly threatens a
referendum on secession. Would you | 0:18:57 | 0:19:04 | |
like to see the republic move away? | 0:19:04 | 0:19:11 | |
Before the war Serbs made up just
half the population. Now, the | 0:19:32 | 0:19:39 | |
republic is 80% Serb. After the war,
efforts were made. They live in a | 0:19:39 | 0:19:57 | |
block for people with special needs.
She would like to leave. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:01 | |
Nadzad's surviving
family never understood | 0:20:26 | 0:20:27 | |
his need to go back
and live in Srebenica. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:29 | |
I remember the words
of my mother as well. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
You want to go to Srebenica? | 0:20:32 | 0:20:46 | |
If you leave, who
will be the winner? | 0:20:46 | 0:20:48 | |
In that case, I think... | 0:20:48 | 0:20:49 | |
In that case, the genocide
would fade off. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:50 | |
Those who committed such
horror, they would win. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:56 | |
Nedzad believes the scale
of the crimes cannot be compared. | 0:20:56 | 0:21:00 | |
But Serbs also lost their lives
in the war and there are memorials | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
to the 3,000 Serb
soldiers and civilians | 0:21:04 | 0:21:21 | |
killed across this
area over three years. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:22 | |
Most people we spoke to -
whether Serb or Bosniak - | 0:21:23 | 0:21:25 | |
were keen to try to forget the past
and look to the future. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:29 | |
But, for 22 years, Nedzad has
lived with a burden. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
The memory of the 8000 souls
who didn't have his luck. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:38 | |
The burden of being
a survivor of genocide. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:40 | |
If we had a normal
country, I can say that | 0:21:41 | 0:21:43 | |
hatred, that nationalistic
conversation, can take us to the war | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
and the killing. | 0:21:46 | 0:22:01 | |
Very often, I ask myself where
we are going now because I fear very | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
bad things in Europe. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:05 | |
Nedzad's man concern
is closer to home. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:07 | |
Those who had their hands bloody,
if they come one day and ask for | 0:22:07 | 0:22:11 | |
forgiveness, I think it wouldn't
be a problem for us... | 0:22:11 | 0:22:13 | |
To extend our hands. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:28 | |
To extend our hands. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:29 | |
Do you think they ever will? | 0:22:29 | 0:22:31 | |
True reconciliation looks perhaps
almost as far off as ever, | 0:22:33 | 0:22:36 | |
particularly with genocide being
denied in the very place where it's | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
judged to have happened. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:40 | |
In the end, only the living can
have a say on whether a country | 0:22:40 | 0:22:44 | |
built on bloodshed will truly wash
away the emnities of war. | 0:22:44 | 0:23:06 |