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I feel that he was betrayed, and his children were betrayed. Tonight,

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diabetes and the price of neglect. We thought, foolishly, that a

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patient with diabetes in hospital would be safe. Clearly, he was not

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say. Diabetes in Wales is a growing problem. New figures show it is not

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being taken seriously enough. bottom line is it is a ticking

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timebomb. At the numbers go up and the pressure increases, we hear

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from nurses to say they can barely cope. They are moving us from task

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to task instead of thinking logically about the best outcome

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for patients. What happens when mistakes are made and questions

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remain? I cannot understand why these nurses have not been held to

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This is where memories of father are strongest. That is the back of

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the car. My dress was made out of Liberty silk velvet. I've still got

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it. Is that the old family together? Yes. They were married

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for almost 60 years. They have five children and many grandchildren. A

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noisy family? This is how you like to remember him. And that was one

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of the final photographs. David was a Cambridge graduate and former

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Royal Naval officer. He was a regional director for the Open

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University before he retired. He was a character, by the sound of

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things. Tell us about him. He was a funny man, very personable, good

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looking, with a very nice speaking voice. He would speak like Richard

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Burton. He was very hands-on, even in the mid- 1950s. He would take us

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on expeditions. Magical mystery tours. We had one of those camper

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vans, we would pile in the back and off we would go to the Norfolk

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coast. He was also a diabetic. two diabetic. He was not diagnosed

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until he was 60. He would call me a control freak. He had two bossy

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nurses, a wife and a daughter. had no chance at all. He did not

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like it because he liked good food and good wine. He found it a bit of

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a drag. We would nag him about what he was eating, making sure he had

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insulin on time. He used to say, if I need to spend the rest of my life

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counting grapes, there's no point. We look after his diabetes for

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decades. Yes. Me and my colleague. Without any hassle. In December

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2008, David, who was by then 80, was taken ill. His wife did what

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she could. His blood sugar was low, so I gave him thick brown bread and

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honey sandwich and a drink of orange juice. He was obviously

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unwell, so we sent for an ambulance. David was taken to Bronglais

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Hospital in Aberystwyth. He had a suspected urinary tract infection.

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Staff were told about his diabetes. We explained that his blood sugar

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was a bit high because he had sudden attacks of hypoglycaemia

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without any warning. We explain that he needed a snack, his routine,

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how we managed 10 at home. There didn't seem to be any problems with

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that. -- how we would manage him. He was all right, not confused,

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unhappy at being in hospital but we said he would be home soon. He was

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OK. We would take his drugs in, his record of his blood sugar as well.

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When they visited the next day, David was awake and alert. They

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were confident he would be home in time for Christmas. But in the

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early hours of the following morning, Mrs Joseph received a

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phone call from the ward. I was told his condition had deteriorated,

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he had a respiratory arrest, then a cardiac arrest. They had

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resuscitated him but his condition was very poor, and how long would I

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be? If you fear the worst? I was expecting him to be dead when we

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got there. What did you find? found him totally unresponsive,

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obviously had been resuscitated, and obviously had some sort of

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brain damage. He was not given the late-night snack he needed to keep

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up his blood sugar level so. He became hypoglycaemic and suffered a

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heart attack. We had looked after him beautifully all those years and

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he had been in Bronglais Hospital less than 24 hours. I find that

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absolutely unbelievable. It implies they were not observing him

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properly. David Joseph died three months later in a nursing home.

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Three years on, and after escaping ombudsman report, the family are

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still fighting to uncover the full story. This is the first time that

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David Joseph's widow has spoken out. The ombudsman's report was damning.

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It highlighted failure after failure, he's one of them basic.

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Taken together it contributed to his death. -- each one of them

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basic. The family are angry at the way he was treated but even angrier

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that diabetic care across Wales appears to be so inadequate. The

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facts are startling. Almost 20% of hospital patients has diabetes. 30%

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of these have experienced at least one mistake in medication. Almost

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70% have not seen a member of a diabetes team. Even for a family

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who know the system better than most, uncovering what has happened

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was difficult. Meeting after meeting at a hospital only make

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them more determined to carry on. It took a long time over three

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years to get anywhere with the complaint, and that is not good.

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Lots of people get fed up and stop but we were not going to get fed up

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and stop. The family's complaint was upheld by the Ombudsman for

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public services in Wales. He said David Joseph had received poor care

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David Joseph had received poor care and was let down by the NHS. They

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concluded if he had been given at bedtime snack and his blood sugar

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nominated -- monitored properly, there was a reasonable chance he

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would not have had a cardiac arrest. He said there was not enough

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detailed information to show detailed information to show

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exactly what happened, but found the failings had a contributory

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effect on his deterioration and death. In her younger days, his

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wife nursed at Addenbrooke's, one of the top hospitals in Britain.

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Caring for diabetics was part of the routine. The concern deepened

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when they saw his medical notes from Bronglais Hospital. This is

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his blood sugar when he was admitted. This is his blood sugar

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after his supper, on the evening he had a cardiac arrest. It rises

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slightly. Yes. David's consultant ordered that his blood sugar level

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should be monitored every four hours but this did not happen. It

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appears that the blood sugar charge had been altered later. Then there

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is a dramatic fall. Down to 1.3. That is catastrophically low. I

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think somebody has put that in afterwards. They had not on the

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blood sugar, they were meant to measure it every four hours and

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they did not do it. That has been added in afterwards, and the

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ombudsman agrees that you cannot place any reliance on that.

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there no other way of interpreting that? I do not think so. It is not

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just my interpretation, it is the interpretation of the medical

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advisers and the ombudsman. family photocopied the chart and

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produce it at one of the first meetings, where they discussed the

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complaint. At a later meeting, the hospital admitted they had lost

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their original copy. This photo copy is all that remains.

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nursing staff were instructed to do the blood sugar every four hours

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and this shows they were not doing it every four hours. The ombudsman

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noted that there appears to be a false blood sugar reading added

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retrospectively to the record. That meant he could have been

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hypoglycaemic for eight hours, hypoglycaemic for eight hours,

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which was unacceptable. He also said he took a very serious view of

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attempts to force of by clinical records. It was something he had

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criticised the health board for in a previous case. If it had been

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more obvious which nurse was to blame, he would have referred the

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matter. Peter Hickson is the chief executive of the health executive

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of Wales. He is responsible for monitoring hospitals. He was asked

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to consider the report. It is a to consider the report. It is a

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catalogue of things done badly, and it was unavoidable consequence, a

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sad one but avoidable. It was unnecessary. This was very basic

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stuff. Left me feeling quite empty and a poll this had happened.

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ombudsman expressed particular concern about diabetic care at

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Bronglais Hospital. This was as recently as October. Evidence

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gathered from healthcare support worker revealed of blood-sugar

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monitoring was only carried out every six hours, regardless of

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instructions from medical staff. The medical adviser said this was

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an astonishing statement, and she had great concerns in relation to

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the knowledge and skills about Diabetic monitoring of nurses on an

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acute medical ward. It also undermined the claim that staff had

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undergone training regarding its blood-sugar monitoring. Here in

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Aberystwyth at local MP Office, Elizabeth Evans has been working

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bid -- helping the Joseph family with their complaint. They had

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enough about them as a family to make sure that they took photos of

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the notes. Without that there would not be a case. Did it set off alarm

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bells? At the time, no. I just thought it was an isolated case.

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Since that time, other cases have come on my desk. Similar cases. Not

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as extreme as Mr Joseph's case but certainly bad regarding the

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treatment of people with diabetes. Other hospitals within the trust

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have the same problems. Details about these cases have emerged in

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the last 18 months. How worrying are these? Every case would go into

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hospital for a different reason, so it was issues about fluid intake,

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food, not eating, and any diabetic specialist will tell you that a

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diabetic needs to eat. Were these elderly people? Yes. I did not know

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this until you mentioned it. Very concerned, and I will ask questions

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to other health boards about the level of complaints they get about

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managing people with diabetes. Specifically, part of the follow up

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will be making it known publicly we are doing this work, and asking

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people to contact us if they have Mrs Joseph wants better care for

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diabetics in hospitals. She said it ought to be a basic nursing

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requirement. Nurses should know, if they are working on a medical ward,

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they should know about the treatment of diabetes noofplt they

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should know where ever they are working. Patients are not any more

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admitted for assessment and treatment of their diabetes. They

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are admitted for a variety of problems, right across the board.

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Diabetes is a growing problem? Absolutely. The Royal College of

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Nursing supports the campaign for greater awareness of diabetes.

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Nicola is a full-time RCN official who visits members across the

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country. The concerns we have are lack of education for patients,

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lack of education for general staff. She say this is is one of a growing

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list of issues facing overstretched faff staff. They feel devalued,

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stressed, frustrated and they feel angry that they can't give their

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best to their patients. That means that nurses can't deliver the care

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that they know they should and care goes amiss. They are juggling from

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task to task instead of thinking logically, what is the best outcome

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for patients. Concern about the care of diabetics doesn't just

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apply to hospitals. The fact, is diabetes is a life-long condition.

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Diabetics are meant to be monitored carefully to avoid what can be

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devastating complications. The fact, is in Wales that just doesn't

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happen. There is loads of information. There are 160,000 die

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bet nicks Wales. Each one should have nine important checks every

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year. Covering eyes, feet and legs and blood pressure, cholesterol and

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kidney function. 0% of adults with Type 1 and 43% with Type 2 simply

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aren't getting those vital checks. A long time since I measured my

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waist. It used to be a 24. I don't know what it is now! The human cost

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is massive. It's a ticking time bomb. People are wondering around

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with high blood sugars without realising it will cost them a

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problem. It's the major problem of kidney failure, limb loss and

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blindness in adults. Added to that you have vascular damage. The

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damage of blood large blood vessels. Diabetes is a major cause of stroke

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and heart attacks. You don't recover from that, generally

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speaking. This year, among the Olympic celebrations around the

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country a torch was held high for hope. Getting to carry the Olympic

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Flame in front of my home city will be a memory I won't forget. A dream

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come true for diabetic athlete Melanie Stephenson. You know,

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throughout the day I was still doing my blood sugar checks. Every

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time I did one I remembered, I'm here because I have diabetes,

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Diabetes UK nominated me. This is my opportunity to raise awareness

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that, yes, diabetes isn't a great thing to have, but you can overcome

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that. Monitoring her blood sugar level is an essential part of life.

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She depends on a pump which constantly regulates the flow of

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insulin into hered abouty. It frees her from having to take frequent

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injections. Melanie is supported by a diabetes clinic. One weekend her

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pump broke and she had to use another hospital. I was an out-

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patient for three days because nobody could help me on to the back

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insulin. Nobody could tell me how much insulin we should be taking.

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It didn't seem like we were talking the same language. Were you

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surprised alt that? Surprised and frightened. You imagine hospitals

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are safe places that are there to help you and fix you, really. They

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cared and they wanted to help, but the knowledge wasn't there,

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unfortunately. Back at Mavis' home they have unanswered question. Her

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daughter is a senior specialist nurse for the health board. She

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suspects the ward her father was brought into was under staff.

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admitted they were one trained member of staff down on that night.

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The om bus budsman noted: -- The om bus budsman noted: --

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ombudsman noted: From your experience, what difference should

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that have made to the operation of that have made to the operation of

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the ward? Or might have done? very well to fill in these charts.

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If you haven't people filling them in who are aware of the

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significance of any changes, that usually means it should be a

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trained member of nursing staff, they can't, you know, healthcare

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support workers can't report back to the nurses in charge if their

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patients have had any change in any of their vital signs. Nicola say as

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worrying problem is that more specialist diabetic nurses are

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being used to fill gaps on general wards. It means they have less time

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to do their main job. specialist diabetic nurses and

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specialist nurses being asked to come back to work ward shifts. That

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is worrying, who looks after the case-load they have or the clinics

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they have in the community? It has a knock-on effect for patients who

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might have a delayed clinic appointment. We asked the health

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boards in Wales to tell us how many specialist diabetic nurses are on

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their staff. Across Wales there are only two more than four years ago.

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An increase of just under 3%. The number of diabetics in Wales has

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gone up by more than 20%. This worries Nicola, who is concerned

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about the consequences for patients if there are fewer nurses to look

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after them. It means that patients are more at risk of developing the

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serious complications of vascular disease, cardiac and stroke as well

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as amputation and blindness. Many of these patients are probably

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frail and elderly. Specialist diabetic nurses are often relied

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upon to show newly diagnosed patients how to manage their

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condition. They look out for early signs of complications. Figures

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from Diabetes UK show that in Wales 2% of diabetics receive this

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support and and adequate information. It's another cause for

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concern for the health inspectorate for Wales. That's wrong. Of course

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it's wrong. That is missing an opportunity to help keep people

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well. Actually, then help them avoid needing to come into hospital

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at some point. Mrs Joseph, who trained as a nurse 60 years ago, is

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concerned about levels of training and awareness in Wales today.

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were all betrayed because we thought, foolishly, that a patient

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with diabetes in hospital would be safe and, clearly, due to mistaken

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ideas about the correct treatment of diabetics, he was not safe. It's

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now, as we've said, too late for him, but things must improve to

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make sure that no other patient is treated like this and suffers like

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that. That no other family. Hywel Dda Health Board declined our

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request for an interview in a The kd board also accepts the

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ombudsman's findings. It has apologised to the Joseph family.

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This health board is pioneering a scheme to reduce errors relating to

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medication. Had you a low blood glucose a couple of days ago?

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blood sugar was 2.3, I believe. They gave me two glucose tablets to

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take. Hannah is on a surgical ward where around 20% of patients are

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diabetic. It sounds to me as if you had the right treatment. Increasing

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awardness of the treatment required for diabetics has reduced

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medication errors in this area from 50% to 6%. The Board call it "their

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think glucose campaign." on the trolley is the hypo box They are

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kept on the same trolleys as blood glucose monitoring. If you do a

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check and you find the blood glucose is low you can pick up the

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hypo box and get the right treatment. It's important that we

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go back to the patient and check that it has worked. Often, that was

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the step that was missing before hand. Another invasion is new

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insulin charts. How many units this morning? 10. Before Sometimes

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people would write the number of insulin and put "u" instead of

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"units" if you wrote 5U that could be mistaken for 50 because the

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units is pre-printed. In one stroke we have God rid of some of the

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insulin prescriptionerors that used to happen. They also have colour

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coded monitoring charts that alert staff when blood sugar readings are

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too high or too low. If it's in the red area, this know they should do

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something. This is the only Welsh health board using "think glucose"

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other areas are interested. Hywel Dda will be rolling it out in its

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hospitals in the new year. Welcome news for the Joseph family. They

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want someone to be held to account. More than three years on, no-one

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has been disciplined for failing to check David's blood sugar levels

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and apparently falsifying his records. It has taken us over three

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years to get to this. The nurses were not interviewed until two

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years after he died. That's not acceptable. I can't understand why

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these nurses haven't been held to account and nobody has been

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disciplined. The Hywel Dda Health Board say it is takes seriously any

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allegation of breach of professional standards. Its

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investigation is continuing. Since dealing with the Joseph case, and

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the more recent complaint involving diabetes in her area, Liz Evans is

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particularly concerned for diabetic patients who have no-one to speak

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on their behalf. If I had a parent with diabetes, obviously I would

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make sure, having dealt with the Joseph case, I would make sure that

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the needs of my relative were met. The health board told us it didn't

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have enough information to comment on the new cases. It said all

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complaints are investigated thoroughly. Rowena Jones and her

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sister have come to Cardiff for a meeting with the health

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inspectorate for Wales. They want inspections of Welsh hospitals in

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future to include key checks on all care for diabetic patients. A plan

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is currently being drawn up. think the Joseph case has got

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lessons for every health board and hospital in Wales and I think that

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there are things, in terms of awareness, the "think glucose",

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checking on training, checking on viability of expert advice in

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hospitals, in hours and out of hours plus us, as ange external

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inspectorate, checking those arrangements are in place, given

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the scale of the issue and given the very dire consequences of it

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not being looked after properly. I think this is fairly high up the

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priorities, if not near the top. wanted to ask the Welsh Health

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Minister Lesley Griffiths about the high level of medical errors

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involving diabetics in Welsh hospitals. We wanted to ask her

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about the poor number of health checks on diabetics across the

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country. And, we wanted to ask why 98% of diabetics might not get the

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education they need to manage their condition, but she refused to talk

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to us. I'm not entirely surprised the Assembly didn't want to speak

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to you. You tend not it speak to people if you have nothing positive

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to say. As far as diabetic care goes there is very little the

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Assembly can say that is positive. They have the new plan coming out.

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It's the last chance to get it right. The current number of

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diabetics in Wales is expected to rise to almost 300,000 by 2025. The

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Welsh Government say it is will focus on this issue from the new

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year, when it plans to begin gathering evidence that will

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eventually lead to a diabetes delivery plan for Wales. Rowena has

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just met with the health inspectorate for Wales. The family

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is campaigning to improve care for all diabetics. They still want

:27:17.:27:21.

someone held to account for what happened to their father.

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personally, don't think it's up to the grieving family to be reporting

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nursing staff to the NMMC. We are waiting to hear what the health

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board is going to do, what the outcome of any discipline ri

:27:36.:27:39.

proceedings is going to be. If they feel they will not take it any

:27:39.:27:49.
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further forward we will have to think about doing that as a family.

:27:51.:27:56.

Mavis Joseph is still looking for peace of mind. Lovely blue sky.

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That will only come with the answers to so many questions.

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loved nursing. I loved the NHS, but... It's difficult to

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understand... I still don't understand how they could have been

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