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For many teenagers, getting behind the wheel is a long | :00:00. | :00:08. | |
But with that freedom sometimes comes danger. | :00:09. | :00:11. | |
You just don't expect it, three young boys to go like that | :00:12. | :00:14. | |
As the number of young people killed or seriously injured | :00:15. | :00:19. | |
on our roads increases, we speak to those | :00:20. | :00:21. | |
The two policemen and my son in law, were stood in the hallway | :00:22. | :00:27. | |
We go on patrol with the police, trying to raise awareness. | :00:28. | :00:35. | |
We was all thinking, oh, well, they are going to move us | :00:36. | :00:37. | |
We speak to a passenger who didn't belt up. | :00:38. | :00:41. | |
If I could speak to my younger self I think I would | :00:42. | :00:44. | |
As the UK Government plans to toughen up laws | :00:45. | :00:49. | |
on dangerous driving - is an obvious solution | :00:50. | :00:51. | |
It is quite staggering that the UK doesn't have | :00:52. | :00:55. | |
This would be the single biggest measure that can be introduced | :00:56. | :00:59. | |
Tonight, families torn apart by tragedy are calling for change. | :01:00. | :01:07. | |
I want the answers and I will keep fighting until I get | :01:08. | :01:10. | |
You wake up and it's just getting through that day, as best you can. | :01:11. | :01:37. | |
He said, all right, Dad, I'll see you in the morning and | :01:38. | :01:40. | |
Things are getting a little bit easier, but we will never be | :01:41. | :01:53. | |
the people we were this time a year and a half ago. | :01:54. | :01:59. | |
I used to say to him you can't sit around the house, | :02:00. | :02:12. | |
you have got to go to a gym or keep yourself busy, keep yourself fit. | :02:13. | :02:16. | |
I always knew what he was getting up to. | :02:17. | :02:23. | |
We used to argue like cat and dog but as Ryan got older and a bit more | :02:24. | :02:27. | |
mature then, yeah, we became very very close. | :02:28. | :02:33. | |
Typical teenager, growing into a typical young man. | :02:34. | :02:37. | |
These three best friends grew up together in Gilfach | :02:38. | :02:44. | |
But one night in October 2015 everything changed. | :02:45. | :02:55. | |
It was 1:40 in the morning, somebody knocked on the door | :02:56. | :02:58. | |
so I put my dressing gown on and my husband went to the door | :02:59. | :03:02. | |
and he looked at the window and he said it was the police. | :03:03. | :03:05. | |
All I could hear was my daughter screaming downstairs | :03:06. | :03:07. | |
because she had opened the door because she was expecting | :03:08. | :03:09. | |
The two policemen and my son in law were stood in there hallway | :03:10. | :03:15. | |
and he told me what had happened and I just said no, no. | :03:16. | :03:22. | |
A big rugby weekend and Wales had just qualified for the Euros. | :03:23. | :03:30. | |
I think, he had a bit of a hangover and things, | :03:31. | :03:36. | |
because he was starting a new job on the Monday. | :03:37. | :03:38. | |
My words to him were, you have had a rough weekend, why | :03:39. | :03:45. | |
don't you stay in because you have work in the morning? | :03:46. | :03:47. | |
I went down the local Chinese down the bottom of the street and picked | :03:48. | :03:55. | |
a Chinese up and I had seen him about 6:40 and we just | :03:56. | :03:58. | |
waved to each other and that was the last I seen him. | :03:59. | :04:02. | |
The boys and two others met up to go for some food. | :04:03. | :04:09. | |
But, at 10:30 that night, the car they were travelling | :04:10. | :04:11. | |
in clipped a kerb and hit a telegraph pole. | :04:12. | :04:20. | |
Another passenger survived and Joe spent the next month | :04:21. | :04:26. | |
The 21-year-old driver, John Graham, was arrested on suspicion of causing | :04:27. | :04:34. | |
To have two boys from the same area pass away on one night was hard | :04:35. | :04:46. | |
but when Joe, the third one, went, it was just absolute devastation. | :04:47. | :04:55. | |
You felt the quietness around the area. | :04:56. | :05:00. | |
You just don't expect it, three young boys to go like that. | :05:01. | :05:13. | |
The loss of young lives is a familiar picture. The number has | :05:14. | :05:23. | |
risen since 2012. Unfortunately, in Wales, | :05:24. | :05:35. | |
a greater proportion of our crashes involve young drivers | :05:36. | :05:37. | |
than anywhere else in the UK. We've got more rural roads, | :05:38. | :05:40. | |
we've got greater distances to places and unfortunately this | :05:41. | :05:42. | |
all serves to put young We are consistently seeing young | :05:43. | :05:45. | |
driver crashes late at night, or occur when there is a number | :05:46. | :05:50. | |
of other people in the car. Research shows young drivers | :05:51. | :05:55. | |
are more likely to be involved in single vehicle accidents | :05:56. | :05:58. | |
as well as accidents Over the last five years, | :05:59. | :05:59. | |
they counted for more than a third of casualties between 6pm | :06:00. | :06:07. | |
and midnight and half the amount Gwent Police officers | :06:08. | :06:10. | |
are about to get on the road. Covert points are going to be | :06:11. | :06:20. | |
monitored by PCSOs and they will report back to us with any | :06:21. | :06:24. | |
information that they have received. There's intelligence | :06:25. | :06:28. | |
to suggest that there's going to be a large gathering, | :06:29. | :06:29. | |
in the area, So we will patrol Caerphilly and see | :06:30. | :06:31. | |
if there is a cruise down there and obviously if there is then | :06:32. | :06:39. | |
we will engage with them and speak Cruising is banned in some parts | :06:40. | :06:42. | |
of the UK but it's not illegal. Cruisers are a group of enthusiasts | :06:43. | :06:58. | |
of all ages, boys and girls, they have got a common | :06:59. | :07:01. | |
interest in vehicles. They spend a lot of money | :07:02. | :07:05. | |
on their vehicles and they Given social media now, | :07:06. | :07:07. | |
it is a lot easier to meet up So they usually | :07:08. | :07:12. | |
advertise on Facebook. The majority of cruisers that attend | :07:13. | :07:17. | |
these events are well behaved. There could be music playing, | :07:18. | :07:20. | |
there could be loud exhausts. But you get a minority then who do | :07:21. | :07:24. | |
handbrake turns and cause problems and that is the only part of it that | :07:25. | :07:29. | |
obviously they are We try to work with them to create | :07:30. | :07:32. | |
as link between them and the police. So when they are having organised | :07:33. | :07:39. | |
cruises, that they trust us Just to make sure that obviously | :07:40. | :07:42. | |
they are safe and other members Hi, Sarge, we are off at Caerphilly | :07:43. | :07:49. | |
mountain snack bar and there is nothing happening | :07:50. | :08:03. | |
at this direction. Normal gatherings | :08:04. | :08:04. | |
for Sunday evening. Yeah that's received I am | :08:05. | :08:07. | |
going there now, we are en route. So we have got a report | :08:08. | :08:12. | |
of 40 vehicles in Asda car park in Caerphilly, | :08:13. | :08:14. | |
revving their engines, causing So we have been tasked to attend | :08:15. | :08:16. | |
there now and deal with that. It was ten months after the deaths | :08:17. | :08:35. | |
of their sons that the families went That year that we had to live | :08:36. | :08:38. | |
with there was always another date, there was always another court | :08:39. | :08:46. | |
appearance, So, for the year we wasn't able | :08:47. | :08:47. | |
to properly grieve, was we? 21-year-old John Graham had | :08:48. | :08:54. | |
been charged with death The families say they | :08:55. | :08:56. | |
hadn't met him before. I had never heard of his | :08:57. | :09:02. | |
name before, Ryan had You just feel so angry and annoyed | :09:03. | :09:07. | |
about what he has done to our family Last June, he pleaded guilty | :09:08. | :09:12. | |
to three counts of death His sentence was ten months | :09:13. | :09:18. | |
in jail reduced to five. He received a three year driving ban | :09:19. | :09:26. | |
and will have to take an extended We have been robbed like no justice | :09:27. | :09:29. | |
at all for any of them. It was just a huge joke | :09:30. | :09:36. | |
and we all shouted to the judge It's possible that had he had said | :09:37. | :09:44. | |
five years we would have all reacted the same, you know, | :09:45. | :09:55. | |
because it is never enough but five What message is going out there, | :09:56. | :09:58. | |
when people know you have taken three young boys' lives | :09:59. | :10:11. | |
and they get ten months in jail? There's nothing out there | :10:12. | :10:14. | |
to stop these youngsters. John Graham told us in a statement | :10:15. | :10:20. | |
that he is sorry the families feel let down by the length | :10:21. | :10:23. | |
of his sentence and if he was in their position | :10:24. | :10:26. | |
he would feel the same. However, he said the issue | :10:27. | :10:28. | |
of the sentence passed is not And there has been no | :10:29. | :10:31. | |
referral to the CPS The families are also angry | :10:32. | :10:36. | |
that the judge decided to convict him on the lesser charge | :10:37. | :10:44. | |
of death by careless driving. We was told that dangerous driving | :10:45. | :10:48. | |
was going to be dismissed and it would continue | :10:49. | :10:52. | |
with careless driving. Which I can't understand when he has | :10:53. | :10:56. | |
admitted to coasting and speeding. Two things which are, | :10:57. | :11:00. | |
if you look through all John Graham says he can understand | :11:01. | :11:02. | |
why the families feel he ought to have been convicted | :11:03. | :11:09. | |
of causing death by dangerous, as opposed to careless, | :11:10. | :11:13. | |
driving but the judge determined that the combination of coasting | :11:14. | :11:16. | |
and his speed did not amount to dangerous driving | :11:17. | :11:19. | |
and that is a matter for the court. He says he fully accepts | :11:20. | :11:25. | |
that his driving was careless The families are now calling for | :11:26. | :11:27. | |
more distinction between careless It has got to be, if you kill | :11:28. | :11:33. | |
somebody in a car it's dangerous. Careless is knocking a glass over, | :11:34. | :11:44. | |
careless is bumping With less than one driver a day | :11:45. | :11:46. | |
in Wales convicted of dangerous driving, road safety campaigners say | :11:47. | :11:54. | |
there needs to be change. There's almost complete overlap | :11:55. | :11:57. | |
in charging standards. If you run through a red light, | :11:58. | :11:59. | |
that's listed as both careless driving and dangerous driving | :12:00. | :12:03. | |
as even using a mobile phone is both There's just too much | :12:04. | :12:05. | |
confusion between the two. Two years after announcing a review, | :12:06. | :12:13. | |
the UK Government has just closed a consultation looking at, | :12:14. | :12:16. | |
among other things, increasing the maximum sentences | :12:17. | :12:20. | |
and creating a new offence of Causing Serious Injury | :12:21. | :12:22. | |
by Careless Driving. But they are not looking to change | :12:23. | :12:25. | |
the legal division between careless It was finally launched in December | :12:26. | :12:28. | |
? 31-32 months on and after 4,000 more people killed on our roads, | :12:29. | :12:35. | |
it was limited to just a few offences and really it's | :12:36. | :12:39. | |
going to have just Another part of the consultation | :12:40. | :12:41. | |
is looking at increasing minimum driving bans for those convicted | :12:42. | :12:51. | |
of causing death. While many welcome it, | :12:52. | :12:54. | |
the families feel it doesn't go far enough, as John Graham was allowed | :12:55. | :13:00. | |
to continue driving for nearly nine He admitted that it was his fault | :13:01. | :13:02. | |
and he took those three lives but yet his license | :13:03. | :13:08. | |
wasn't taken off him. As a careworker, if there | :13:09. | :13:11. | |
was an allegation made against me I would be suspended straightaway | :13:12. | :13:15. | |
and I wouldn't go back to work until it had been | :13:16. | :13:19. | |
unfounded or whatever. It doesn't matter what sort | :13:20. | :13:24. | |
of record you have got. If you've been accused of something | :13:25. | :13:27. | |
which he has been accused of, careless driving | :13:28. | :13:30. | |
and killing three boys. His license should have been taken | :13:31. | :13:34. | |
off him straightaway. The families are determined | :13:35. | :13:37. | |
to fight for change. So, last month, they met their MP | :13:38. | :13:38. | |
at their local rugby club It's all we want from day one | :13:39. | :13:41. | |
is justice for our children. If he had 50 years it | :13:42. | :13:47. | |
would never change the way we are but we could have | :13:48. | :13:50. | |
taken a step forward, that the punishment has happened | :13:51. | :13:52. | |
and try to get on with life There is no way that he should have | :13:53. | :13:57. | |
been able to get back into that car If you look at definitions | :13:58. | :14:06. | |
of careless and dangerous driving After listening to their story | :14:07. | :14:10. | |
he vowed to raise their concerns They understandably feel very | :14:11. | :14:19. | |
very passionate and hurt Not just about losing | :14:20. | :14:22. | |
their children. That's just bad enough but also | :14:23. | :14:30. | |
that the law has been conducted really in | :14:31. | :14:33. | |
some kack-handed way. There is a consultation that has | :14:34. | :14:40. | |
just been concluded. I've made a submission | :14:41. | :14:42. | |
to that consultation. I think that unless that these | :14:43. | :14:44. | |
issues are not addressed we're likely to see an increase | :14:45. | :14:46. | |
in the continuation of bad driving practises and greater serious | :14:47. | :14:51. | |
accidents and fatalities. 284 young people were killed | :14:52. | :14:54. | |
or seriously injured So what is it about this age group | :14:55. | :14:59. | |
that makes them so vulnerable? They've masses of confidence, | :15:00. | :15:05. | |
they want to get in their cars And you add that to the inexperience | :15:06. | :15:08. | |
that goes with the difficulties of driving a car because it's one | :15:09. | :15:15. | |
thing to learn the skills to pass your test, it's quite | :15:16. | :15:18. | |
another thing to being able to apply them consistently and correctly | :15:19. | :15:21. | |
in all of the circumstances 16 to 24-year-olds are at a higher | :15:22. | :15:24. | |
risk of becoming a passenger casualty than older | :15:25. | :15:34. | |
people or children. Between 2010-2014 they accounted | :15:35. | :15:39. | |
for nearly a third of all I think you always think | :15:40. | :15:44. | |
it's not always going It was a bank holiday | :15:45. | :15:52. | |
Monday and we... My boyfriend and a group of friends | :15:53. | :15:56. | |
decided we were going to do something different for the day | :15:57. | :16:02. | |
and we were going to the bowling Josie Pearson, who lives | :16:03. | :16:05. | |
in Usk, was 17 years old when the car she and her friends | :16:06. | :16:10. | |
were travelling in had a head-on The piece of road that we | :16:11. | :16:13. | |
were on was quite bendy and as we were overtaking a line | :16:14. | :16:26. | |
of cars came around the corner and we clipped the first car | :16:27. | :16:29. | |
and then had a head on collision Josie was left paralysed | :16:30. | :16:32. | |
from the chest down. Her boyfriend, | :16:33. | :16:38. | |
the driver, was killed. I was sat in the passenger side | :16:39. | :16:40. | |
of the car in the back. It was a little Peugeot 205 | :16:41. | :16:48. | |
so it was only a small car and I wasn't wearing a seat belt - | :16:49. | :16:52. | |
that was my responsibility to wear a seat belt that day | :16:53. | :16:55. | |
and I didn't put it on. Figures show drivers | :16:56. | :16:58. | |
and passengers between the ages of 17 and 34 have the lowest | :16:59. | :17:01. | |
seat belt rates combined Since the crash | :17:02. | :17:04. | |
Josie has become a Paralympian I think at 17 you think | :17:05. | :17:10. | |
you're an adult, If I could speak to my younger | :17:11. | :17:20. | |
self I think I would Schools across Wales are now | :17:21. | :17:31. | |
hearing Josie's story. It is being used as a strong message | :17:32. | :17:44. | |
to warn other young drivers. It was the biggest | :17:45. | :17:50. | |
mistake of my life. Josie Pearson was the | :17:51. | :17:52. | |
same age as you guys. 60% of our traffic collisions | :17:53. | :17:55. | |
that we deal with have 25% of that 60% have | :17:56. | :17:57. | |
proven to be fatal. This is why we need to get involved | :17:58. | :18:02. | |
with the schools and this age group to get them | :18:03. | :18:05. | |
as they start their driving career. Dead bodies, you will see crash | :18:06. | :18:08. | |
sites, you may even see body parts. The students are shown footage from | :18:09. | :18:14. | |
real collisions in graphic detail. It was like this is real this is | :18:15. | :18:25. | |
happening and it's people our age. It's such a hard-hitting | :18:26. | :18:45. | |
presentation. We all have a passion for modifying | :18:46. | :19:42. | |
cars and this is one of the examples of when we get together what we | :19:43. | :19:43. | |
actually do. We don't come here to cause trouble, | :19:44. | :20:05. | |
we come here to meet as friends. You see people driving mad and there | :20:06. | :20:14. | |
is just no point. When people act as if they have a faster car that is | :20:15. | :20:16. | |
when it gets ridiculous. There is always a case of weariness | :20:17. | :20:38. | |
about the police. I think the idea is to get in amongst them and engage | :20:39. | :20:43. | |
with them anything that is what we've done and exchange numbers and | :20:44. | :20:46. | |
hoping the future they will contact us. | :20:47. | :20:52. | |
Always thinking they're going to move us to the the next location. | :20:53. | :21:15. | |
When young lives are lost on our roads, | :21:16. | :21:17. | |
OK, so this is Joe's room, pretty much untouched | :21:18. | :21:27. | |
We just added a few extra little bits and pieces and gifts that | :21:28. | :21:32. | |
So I have made the bed but nothing has been changed, | :21:33. | :21:41. | |
well, since the night of the accident and it | :21:42. | :21:45. | |
will be a long time before anything will be. | :21:46. | :21:54. | |
Ryan's family takes comfort that he lives | :21:55. | :21:56. | |
She is our link, she is all we've got left, you know. | :21:57. | :22:03. | |
For the Jones' home videos keep the memories strong. | :22:04. | :22:27. | |
My father passed away, so Rhys give me a way and walked me down | :22:28. | :22:31. | |
It's mixed emotions now to watch the wedding | :22:32. | :22:38. | |
Everybody is on there and you know he was so funny throughout the day. | :22:39. | :22:55. | |
Now, when I watch it I suppose it's just memories, isn't it? | :22:56. | :22:58. | |
We watch it a lot because it's him you know what I mean and you pray | :22:59. | :23:02. | |
The boys' parents believe tighter restrictions | :23:03. | :23:10. | |
They have passed their test but, they are inexperienced, | :23:11. | :23:20. | |
they don't know how to control a big car. | :23:21. | :23:23. | |
If I am honest they don't know the size of the engine of the car | :23:24. | :23:26. | |
that was involved with this accident, | :23:27. | :23:28. | |
but they should have limitations as well on the number of people | :23:29. | :23:31. | |
With one in five people in the UK being involved in crashes | :23:32. | :23:36. | |
within the first six months of passing their driving test, | :23:37. | :23:39. | |
Dr Sarah Jones is pushing for a system of graduated | :23:40. | :23:42. | |
These place restrictions on new drivers. | :23:43. | :23:49. | |
Graduated Driver Licensing is a system where we enable young | :23:50. | :23:52. | |
people to gain driving experience but where we reduce their exposure | :23:53. | :23:57. | |
So we let them drive unaccompanied, we don't tend to let them drive late | :23:58. | :24:04. | |
at night while there are other people in the car or having | :24:05. | :24:07. | |
GDLs are used by other countries such as New Zealand, | :24:08. | :24:12. | |
Sarah has spent years researching how they work there. | :24:13. | :24:19. | |
She introduced us to Professor Rebecca Ivers in Sydney. | :24:20. | :24:24. | |
I mean certainly young driver crashes and fatalities have been | :24:25. | :24:34. | |
coming down, we are certainly seeing a reduction in the crashes | :24:35. | :24:37. | |
that occur at night, the crashes with multiple | :24:38. | :24:39. | |
Why do you think there is a reluctance to implement it here? | :24:40. | :24:43. | |
People like to think that it's going to mean that we are bubble | :24:44. | :24:46. | |
wrapping young people and not giving them independence. | :24:47. | :24:49. | |
I think really it's also the fact that people, | :24:50. | :24:55. | |
there is still that concept that crashes are accidents. | :24:56. | :24:58. | |
Whereas we know they are predictable events and you can prevent them. | :24:59. | :25:02. | |
But really it is quite staggering that the UK doesn't have | :25:03. | :25:05. | |
In Wales, we don't have the power to introduce them, but councils | :25:06. | :25:09. | |
and other agencies have come together to form Road Safety Wales | :25:10. | :25:12. | |
to reduce the numbers of deaths and injuries. | :25:13. | :25:18. | |
There has always been that need to want to collaborate and work | :25:19. | :25:21. | |
together in Wales with the same aim really, casualty reduction aim | :25:22. | :25:25. | |
really which is to improve road safety on our roads, | :25:26. | :25:27. | |
to improve road safety knowledge and awareness. | :25:28. | :25:30. | |
And one of the schemes that comes under this | :25:31. | :25:32. | |
So there they are reaching from the back trying to set up | :25:33. | :25:37. | |
the bluetooth on your radio is that right? | :25:38. | :25:39. | |
And you say get out of the way, I'm trying to change gear? | :25:40. | :25:42. | |
It has provided young drivers with an opportunity | :25:43. | :25:44. | |
to improve their driving skills and gain more experience. | :25:45. | :25:49. | |
Over the last five years an average of 25,000 young drivers a year | :25:50. | :25:52. | |
But fewer than 2,000 a year took part in Pass Plus Cymru ? that's one | :25:53. | :26:05. | |
It's very difficult, unless everything is thoroughly | :26:06. | :26:08. | |
evaluated to say, yes, what we are doing is working. | :26:09. | :26:11. | |
But the overall trend tells us that it is going seems to be | :26:12. | :26:14. | |
But we don't rest on our laurels and we just remain to be working | :26:15. | :26:23. | |
Road Safety Wales is working closely with the Welsh Government to cut | :26:24. | :26:27. | |
the numbers of young people seriously injured and | :26:28. | :26:29. | |
That target is based on figures from 2004-2008. | :26:30. | :26:36. | |
While they are doing well in meeting it, figures from the last three | :26:37. | :26:39. | |
The last three years we've seen an increase by 15% - | :26:40. | :26:52. | |
We have an ultimate vision of reducing down to zero | :26:53. | :27:00. | |
of the young people who are killed on the roads we believe that | :27:01. | :27:03. | |
a single life lost is a life a life lost too many. | :27:04. | :27:06. | |
Now, in recent years we've made good progress towards our aspiration | :27:07. | :27:09. | |
of reducing by 40% the number of young people killed or seriously | :27:10. | :27:12. | |
The single way, the biggest way we could reduce and drive down | :27:13. | :27:19. | |
the number of young people that are killed or seriously | :27:20. | :27:21. | |
injured on the roads is by introducing a graduated | :27:22. | :27:23. | |
It's something we've consistently argued for, | :27:24. | :27:27. | |
It's also something the Scottish Government have proposed. | :27:28. | :27:35. | |
We'd don't have the powers to introduce it in Wales, but it's | :27:36. | :27:38. | |
something we would dearly like to do. | :27:39. | :27:40. | |
So what are the steps now to try and make that happen | :27:41. | :27:43. | |
I am hopeful that with continued pressure, not just from Wales | :27:44. | :27:48. | |
but also from our partners in Scotland, that we will be able | :27:49. | :27:51. | |
to get a change of mind at the UK Government level. | :27:52. | :28:02. | |
This would be the single biggest measure to save the lives of young | :28:03. | :28:05. | |
drivers. We asked the UK Government | :28:06. | :28:07. | |
for an interview. They refused, but in | :28:08. | :28:09. | |
a statement said that they accepted too many young | :28:10. | :28:11. | |
people die on our roads and they are determined to make sure | :28:12. | :28:14. | |
those who drive dangerously and kill As part of the consultation, | :28:15. | :28:17. | |
they looked at plans to increase the maximum sentence for this | :28:18. | :28:22. | |
from 14 years to life. They added that although we've some | :28:23. | :28:26. | |
of the safest roads in the world they're always looking | :28:27. | :28:29. | |
at ways to make them safer. A fortnight after meeting | :28:30. | :28:34. | |
the families, Wayne David raised their case in Westminster, | :28:35. | :28:39. | |
but their call for changes to the law on careless and dangerous | :28:40. | :28:41. | |
driving was rejected. This is not the end of the journey, | :28:42. | :28:48. | |
it's only the start of it and it's up to myself, | :28:49. | :28:51. | |
other members of parliament and the families who have been | :28:52. | :28:53. | |
profoundly affected to continue I think a momentum is quietly | :28:54. | :28:56. | |
building up for that change and it's our job to make sure that | :28:57. | :29:02. | |
momentum continues and that For the families, the campaign | :29:03. | :29:05. | |
for change goes on. Their hope now is that it will, | :29:06. | :29:14. | |
eventually, protect others. It would give us a little bit | :29:15. | :29:21. | |
of closure, because we know that something has been done | :29:22. | :29:28. | |
since we lost our son. I want my son to be | :29:29. | :29:47. | |
remembered as a person. They were three fun loving kids, | :29:48. | :29:49. | |
a whole world ahead of them. Whatever happens, there has got to | :29:50. | :30:08. | |
be a deterrent to stop people doing it. | :30:09. | :30:27. | |
I believe him to be the purest lyrical poet | :30:28. | :30:29. | |
I'm Dylan Thomas! You make him sound like a monster. | :30:30. | :30:35. | |
I can do this, Jack. I can get him ready for America. | :30:36. | :30:39. |