In Dogs We Trust


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Man has had a best friend by his side for millennia.

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We all know that dogs warn, fetch, hunt and protect us.

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They provide companionship and love,

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but could we trust them to do even more?

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Could there be more ways to use our pets and their senses to help us?

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Should parents trust dogs with their children's lives?

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She tries to wake Stephen in the night, but he doesn't wake,

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if he's hypo in the night, so she will come and get me

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and she will bark.

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Could we trust a dog to tell

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when someone was about to have an epileptic seizure?

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Every seizure alert dog is 100 percent,

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not 99 percent.

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Could canines be trusted to sniff out cancer?

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I think the cancer dog

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is a dog that we should put a huge amount of trust in.

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I'm Ian Hamilton and I have a tale

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that wanders all the way to the edge of medical science.

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Taking in dramatic examples.

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What's the matter?

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Is he still not right?

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No, no, no, no, no, it's not there.

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And compelling evidence of dogs changing,

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and maybe even saving lives.

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Two years ago, I made a documentary

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about getting a new guide dog after my old one retired.

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After years of trusting my black Labrador, Moss,

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with my safety every day, it was time to start all over again.

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Yes, good, go through.

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Renton was one of the 75 percent of puppies

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that make the grade each year at Forfar Guide Dog Centre.

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And after he graduated, we had to learn to work together.

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And I had to learn to trust him.

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It's not like getting a new car.

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Every dog is different and I'd been handed a baby behemoth,

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with a big personality.

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In you come, come on. Into the right, into the right.

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Has he seen the cat still?

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Both Renton and I were put through our paces

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with the trainer to help build a strong bond.

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A bond that my life depends on.

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Good boy! Good boy, Renton!

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Renton, no, straight.

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This is an old trick, but I've got a new dog.

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I have to trust that Renton will stop, if the cars don't.

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But it's still up to me to listen for traffic.

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He's my safety net.

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If both of us get it wrong... well, it's probably best

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if we don't think about that TOO much.

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Dogs have been guiding blind people for nearly a hundred years.

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Renton has been guiding me for two.

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I trust him with my safety everyday and this has got me thinking,

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how much do other people trust their dogs

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and what are the limits of that trust?

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Renton and I are off to find out. OK.

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What I'm about to show you, science cannot yet explain.

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And it takes the word trust to a whole new level.

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A mother who trusts her family pet

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to stop her ten-year old son from slipping into a coma.

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One of these two children has a life-threatening illness.

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Right now, he has a needle inserted under his skin

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which is attached to a pump which he wears 24 hours a day

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in order to administer medication.

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This is my pump and it delivers insulin into my body.

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And then it goes through the tube...

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Goes in...either on my tummy,

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my tummy, legs or bottom.

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Stephen has type I diabetes and his mother, Serena,

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has to constantly check his blood sugar levels.

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Every bit of growth, every virus, every change in the weather,

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every time the clocks change, exercise, everything has an impact...

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..on what the blood glucose levels will do for the next couple of days.

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It's constantly changing.

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It's common practice for diabetics to run their blood sugar levels high,

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because if the blood sugar drops too low,

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it can cause fainting, dizziness or even seizures.

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-Are you ready?

-Yeah.

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Keeping their levels high might lower their chances of

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having problems on a daily basis, but it can have long term

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detrimental health affects.

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The kind of heart disease that unfortunately

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we have rather a lot of here

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in Scotland is considerably more

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prevalent in people with diabetes

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and occurs at a younger age in those patients, so that's probably

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the biggest single impact of diabetes.

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In addition, diabetes can cause its own specific health problems -

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eye damage, which can in the worst cases

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lead to visual loss, kidney damage, and also nerve damage.

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The major burden of diabetes isn't the diabetes itself,

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but is the damage that diabetes can do,

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particularly the damage it can do if it's not well looked after.

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Young patients like Steven, who is only 10,

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have a lifetime of trying to balance their blood sugar levels.

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Too high, and he risks long-term damage.

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Too low, and he risks a hypoglycemic coma.

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However, he has more than just a meter to help him.

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This is Molly, Steven's diabetic alert dog.

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What this dog does is quite incredible.

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Molly senses his blood sugar change,

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before his mother, his family, or any technology can tell.

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This little spaniel warns him

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so that he can take his medication to stop him slipping into a coma.

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I think she's amazing. I mean, we'd always seen things about...

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You see all these clever dogs and guide dogs and hearing dogs

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and they can do all these things,

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but I guess we just thought they had to be specially trained,

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right from day one.

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And actually any dog, and any breed of dog, and anybody's

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pet dog can have this aptitude.

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It just needs to be channelled in the right direction.

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So how does this work? How does Molly know that Steven's in danger?

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In 2008, researchers at Queen's University in Belfast

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and the University of Lincoln looked at pet dogs with no special

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training to see how they reacted

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to hypoglycemic episodes in their owners.

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Their findings suggested that the age,

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sex and importantly breed of dog didn't seem to matter.

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So you don't necessarily need a dog the size of mine to do that job.

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What they didn't find out is exactly how the dogs

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were sensing the changes.

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Sometimes a dog didn't even have to be in the same room

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as the owner to sense a change in blood sugar levels,

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although the study didn't rule out visual signals

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as a possible clue to hypos.

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So no-one really knows how this works,

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and Serena is trusting in Molly

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without any solid scientific explanation.

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But that level of trust doesn't end with diabetes.

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People are using dogs to help with other serious conditions,

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such as epilepsy.

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CROWD SINGS

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Lynn Radcliffe is a staunch Manchester City fan.

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And she tells me her dog is as well. Although, I'm not so sure...

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Fourteen years ago,

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her life was turned upside when she was diagnosed with epilepsy.

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It was really difficult.

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The first thing that had quite

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a dramatic change on my life was

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I lost my driving license.

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So immediately I was diagnosed

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with epilepsy, my driving license had to be surrendered.

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Ultimately, I lost my job because of my epilepsy, as well.

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But her life has now changed for the better,

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thanks to the little hound, Dougal.

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As remarkable as it sounds, Dougal senses when Lynn is about to have a seizure.

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'Medical science, after decades of intensive research,

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'has still not found a way to do what Dougal does.'

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Dougal's warning for me is actually 10 minutes,

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and to be honest, 10 minutes for me is plenty.

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I might be cooking tea on the cooker,

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I might be ironing,

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I might have the gas fire on.

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All those things are hazardous to me if I was to have a seizure.

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So I'm able to move away from those dangers and then find somewhere safe.

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'When scientists are still struggling to find an early warning

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'system for epilepsy, how does Dougal sense a seizure?'

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On this DVD, we have two dogs,

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both in their early stages of training, and both of them

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again are very significant, alert to their owner.

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She's sat very still, staring at her owner very intensely

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and this is very significant behaviour for her.

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It's something that she doesn't normally do.

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'I travelled to Sheffield to the support dogs charity where

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'Dougal was trained, to find how they do it.'

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We believe that it's definitely physiological changes in the

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person prior to the seizure,

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and this could be things

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like pupil dilation,

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it could be skin tone change,

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it could even be a certain scent that's released from the person.

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We're desperate for some research to be done into this.

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It would make, obviously, training these dogs a lot easier for us.

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Fetch the blanket.

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So how do you train a dog when you don't know what to look for?

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You get to the nitty-gritty here -

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talking about people who have seizures, how does the dog know?

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It's minute behavioural or physiological changes.

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Exactly, we're not sure.

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Because it's all reward-based training,

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to the dog, the seizure is one of the best things that can happen,

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so they actually can't wait for that seizure.

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Although that sounds a little bit weird to us as people,

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but the dogs, they actually love that to happen.

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-Do they get rewarded by that, then?

-Yep.

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It may seem like play and treats for them,

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but these dogs are being trained

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in basic assistance work for their new owners.

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It's easy to understand how to train a dog to fetch,

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carry and get help.

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What's harder to understand is how

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to teach a dog to detect something we humans can't hear, see or feel.

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ALARM BEEPS

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What the dog needs to understand

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is what the owner's seizure signals are...

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Get help, get help.

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Go get help. Get help.

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..and the owner needs to learn to trust their new four-legged friend,

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even though science can't explain how it works.

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I don't need to know, I suppose, the science of it.

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I mean, medical people might want to know the science of it.

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I suppose you don't have to be a mechanic to drive a car, do you?

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No, I don't suppose you do.

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No, and you don't need to know how some things work,

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to know that, you know, it works.

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It's obvious that Lynn trusts Dougal,

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but that trust took time and training.

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For that training to be possible, Lynn had to be having more

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than ten epileptic episodes a month,

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so that Dougal could learn how to recognise them.

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Epilepsy alert dog owners are carefully paired with a dog,

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often sourced from rescue kennels.

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Rescue centres we find are quite good

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because the dogs are in there for separation anxiety,

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and for our seizure alert dogs that's quite a bonus

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for our dogs to have.

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They've got to be dogs that want to have that interaction with people,

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want to follow that person around 24/7.

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And yes, you can train that,

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but we always prefer the dog to actually want to do that.

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Ask him to sit and wait, like you normally do. All right?

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You're then going to take off his lead,

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and just give him a biscuit for sitting...

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This is Edward and his new diabetic alert dog, Dizzy.

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They're working at building a strong bond with trainer Becky

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at the Medical Detection Dogs charity, just outside Milton Keynes.

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It's day two of Ed's and Dizzy's training together.

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The better he gets to know Ed,

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the better chance that he'll detect his blood sugar changing.

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Absolutely, absolutely. They need to form a nice, strong bond,

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so they're really good friends, they know each other well,

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and Ed knows how to work with Dizzy, and vice versa, really.

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It was Steven who formed a unique

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and close bond with the family pet, Molly, and he was the first to

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notice that Molly was aware of his blood sugar changes.

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When I was low I just realised

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that she was always going a bit crazy.

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And at first I didn't really know what was happening.

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She's now a fully-qualified alert dog,

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passing her exams in 2012.

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What does she do then, Steven? How does she let you know?

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Well, she goes really mental

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and fetches the blood glucose meter.

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She'll jump up and down and do...

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get up on her hind legs

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and waggle her front paws around in the air.

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How do you know the difference between when she's playing

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and when she's telling you something?

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Do you know the difference between the two things?

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Sometimes it's a bit hard, but mostly

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when she's alerting, she doesn't stop.

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She keeps on doing it.

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'As I chatted with Steven and Serena, neither of them knew

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'that Steven's blood sugar was slowly dropping.

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'What happened next was astonishing, and a complete surprise for me

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'and the camera crew.

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'Molly, who had spent a lot of the interview either asleep

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'or sitting quietly, suddenly sprang into action.'

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Steady on. The meter's not up here, stop it.

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What's the matter?

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Is he still not right?

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No, no, no, no - it's not there. It's not up here.

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'Molly knew something was wrong, and was frantically searching

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'for Steven's glucose meter.'

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Is it here?

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All right, then. Come on, then. Come here, then.

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Give.

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All right, sweetheart.

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'Being completely blind,

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'I had no idea what was going on at this point.'

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-Come here.

-Is she aware of something with Steven,

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is that the problem, do you think?

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She's...

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Stop, Molls.

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She was quite calm before, wasn't she?

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She seems to be quite agitated.

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What's up, what's the matter with him?

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All right, all right.

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What's the matter?

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He's all right now.

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Is that the kind of thing she would do?

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That's how she reacts, yes, that's how she alerts.

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'Steven needed glucose, and fast.

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'His blood sugar had dropped, putting him in immediate danger.

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'If it had been high instead of low, he would have been

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'at risk of not just a coma, but long-term damage as well.

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'Molly's reaction to Steven's blood sugar level

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'was certainly hard to miss,

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'and it's also a good example of how versatile a dog can be as a tool.'

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'Steven needs his dog to make a big fuss, and I need my dog

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'to be calm, steady and in control in every situation.'

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'Renton loves working, especially in noisy, busy situations.

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'He can't wait to get his harness on.

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'He's an every day reminder to me how useful canines can be to humankind.

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'But if we start to see dogs purely as tools for our welfare,

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'is there not a danger that we forget about theirs?'

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I think we are going to be able to use dogs in more ways

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in the future, but there are questions about

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what's morally right to do.

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For example, is it right to use a dog to go out

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and defuse a mine when it stands a chance of being blown up?

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That's an ethical issue, isn't it?

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So it depends what you ask the dog to do.

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We looked at assistance dogs in order to try to see

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whether they had major problems

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and we didn't find significant problems.

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There are a few dogs that can't be trained, but once they're trained

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they seem to continue to have a good relationship with people.

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PEDESTRIAN CROSSING BEEPS

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'I trust Renton every day with my safety.'

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Nice and steady. Steady.

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Good boy.

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'I'm well aware of his potential as a tool,

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'but I'm equally aware of his limitations.'

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Is that too fast for you? Are you OK?

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'How smart is Renton?

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'I've been told he's got the same cognitive ability

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'as a three or four-year-old child.'

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-Poppy, how old are you?

-Four.

-Four.

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Now, you're the same age as Renton here.

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-How do you normally get across the road?

-Walk with my mummy.

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-With your mummy? You don't do it on your own?

-No.

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-OK. Shall we help Renton help us cross the road?

-Yeah.

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OK. Forward, on you go, good boy. On you come.

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'Would you close your eyes

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'and trust a small child to help you across a road?'

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On you go.

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We now feel that we can put a lot of responsibility on dogs.

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We can train the dog

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don't cross the road if there's a car coming and, generally speaking,

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we can trust the dog to do that.

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And you, in some cases, can trust a dog more than

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you might be able to trust another human,

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because the human might be preoccupied

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with other things, but the dog is going to focus on that task.

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'Focussed or not,

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'should we be trusting a dog only as smart

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'as a three or four-year-old child with our health?'

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Renton is my sixth guide dog,

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and just like the others, he has assets I have never harnessed.

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Renton, here, has a skill that no human can match.

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His sense of smell is 10,000 times better than mine.

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Let me put it another way.

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I could detect a teaspoonful of sugar in this coffee.

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But Renton could detect a teaspoonful of sugar

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in five million litres of coffee.

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That's the same as a cup of coffee the size of

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two Olympic swimming pools.

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The big question is, can we trust this canine super-nose to help

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fight one of our most prevalent and deadly diseases?

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Would you trust that mutt on the mat beside you to find cancer?

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Every two minutes, someone in the UK is diagnosed with cancer,

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a process that can involve invasive procedures.

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But here, on the edge of known science, discovering

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traces of cancer is down to fur and a long nose.

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So Daisy's going to go round the carousel

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and she's going to sniff each sample in turn.

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If she detects cancer volatile, she'll stop and stand

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and stare at the sample.

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And this will indicate to me that she's detected cancer volatiles.

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So, I'm going to send her off now. Daisy - seek, seek.

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See, she sniffs each sample in turn. But very quickly.

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Dr Claire Guest is head of the Medical Detection Dogs Charity,

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which is currently experimenting using dogs to find different

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types of cancer in urine samples.

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No-one knows exactly what Daisy here is smelling, but after sniffing

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all the samples, she stops at the only one containing cancer.

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One of the biggest issues when you're training a cancer

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detection dog is to ensure

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that's in fact what you're training the dog to find.

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Of course, if you're training the dog to find drugs or explosives,

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you start with that drug or explosive odour

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and teach the dog that that's what you want the dog to find.

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Then over time, you make it more difficult for the dog to find,

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either by making the odour smaller or by covering it in things,

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so it becomes harder for the dog to find.

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In the case of cancer detection, we don't know what the cancer odour is,

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so we can't give the dog that odour and teach him that this is the odour

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we want him to look for.

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The only way we can do it is by giving them a number of

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samples from people who have cancer,

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and even more samples from people who haven't got cancer but have

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got other diseases, and ask the dog to try and find out the difference.

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I've no doubt at all that they can detect it,

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I think that's clear from the results we have with lung cancer,

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the breath of people with lung cancer,

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from people with bladder cancer,

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that they have the ability to detect it.

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However, in all of those studies

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so far they're not completely reliable.

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You get some positives and some negatives

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which are not positive or negative in reality

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and it's actually very difficult

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to train the dogs to do this at present.

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Claire tells me in the last five years, there have been

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studies around the world showing an accuracy of more than 90%.

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However, there have been other studies

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that have been far less successful.

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I think that, obviously, there's a growing body

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of evidence that's indicating that there's a huge potential

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in this work, but I think some of the reservations have to be

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in that many of the studies have only had a very small number of dogs.

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In fact in many of the studies there was only one dog,

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and this has to be repeated with more dogs.

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'Dr Helen Rippon is the Head of Science

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'at a St Andrew's based cancer charity.

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'Every year, they give away £9 million on research grants,

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'and currently none of that is spent on dogs.'

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If there is a good, large, robust trial that shows dogs can

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reliably detect cancer, and we're looking at a reliability

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of well over 90%,

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so they've got to get it right at least 9/10 times.

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If we get that kind of evidence, then I definitely think

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that the way forward is to pin down the chemicals involved.

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When we talk about a dog here, we get very sort of hung up

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on the fact that dogs need to be 100% to be of value,

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but of course this is not true.

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And if you look at something like the PSA,

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the blood test for prostate cancer at the moment in men,

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that has a 75% false positive in testing,

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so it's not to say that tests have to be 100% to be of value,

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but of course the nearer you can get to 100%,

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of course, the more valuable the test is.

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In 2011, a group of doctors from Stuttgart published

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an encouraging report revealing that dogs can successfully sniff out

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lung cancer from human breath.

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The dogs identified cancer in 71% of the samples.

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They correctly identified a lack of cancer in 93% of clear samples.

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However, the scientists are currently struggling to repeat

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the success of their previous experiment.

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There's a lot of anecdotal evidence that dogs can detect cancer, and

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of course, scientists don't consider anecdotes to be good evidence.

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I think there is cynicism about the idea that you would fill

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hospital labs full of trained dogs,

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because that of course would just never be practical.

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We don't envisage in the UK that every doctors' waiting room

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will have a dog sat in the corner who will sniff everybody for cancer.

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What we envisage in the UK is that we will learn from the dogs'

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ability to do this and we will, with scientists, be able to develop

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new ways of diagnosing cancer early.

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But the lack of understanding in how this work could be

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applied in the future, I think is very concerning,

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and if it were a little machine here sat beside me

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and I was saying it could do it at 80% accuracy at the present time,

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I think there'd be quite a different reaction.

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So sadly I think some of the scepticism

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comes from bias against the fact that it's a dog that's teaching us

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this and not a small machine.

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Maybe the dog is just a means to an end.

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If we pinned down the chemicals that caused that particular smell

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that dogs can pick up, then perhaps we can find an electronic

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way of detecting those chemicals.

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Perhaps we could find a chemical way of doing it in a lab that you

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can do in a test tube.

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And that, of course, would be much more practical.

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How many samples have you got round here?

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'We are some distance from research to reality

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'and to make any of these advances happen,

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'more studies are needed.

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'And for that, more funding will have to be found.'

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Left foot. Thank you.

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Medical professionals might still be trying to sniff out the evidence,

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but every day in the UK, people are trusting their health

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and their family's health, to an animal with four legs and a tail.

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It is really reassuring.

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She tries to wake Steven in the night,

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but he doesn't wake if he's hypo in the night,

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so she will come and get me and she will bark.

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We trust her more than we used to

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because most of the time she's correct, but still

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some of the time she does get it wrong.

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Sometimes, but not very often.

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For your dog to give you warning,

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you're basically going to lose consciousness

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if he doesn't give you a warning, so...

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That must be quite nerve-wracking, is it not,

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knowing he might get it wrong some day?

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No, because Dougal won't get it wrong.

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Every seizure alert dog that has been placed - and I can vouch for this

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because I have one - is 100%.

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Not 99%, not even... you know not 75%.

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100%.

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Dougal has never missed an alert.

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I think the cancer dog is, as with all assistance dogs,

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a dog that we should put a huge amount of trust in.

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That said, no dog is 100% at any task, as us humans are.

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And we must face facts,

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that there can be error, both human error and doggie error.

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'That intense feeling of trust doesn't come easily,

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'it takes time, effort and patience.

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'After two years, I now know how much to trust Renton

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'and more importantly, I also his limitations.

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'But Lynn and Steve are trusting their dogs with so much more,

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'with very little scientific evidence.

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'And there's even some who believe that we should trust them

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'in the diagnosis of cancer.

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'What is remarkable is that we still know

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'so little about what dogs can do.

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'I think it's some time before technology replaces Renton,

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'but if it does, will I be able to trust that as much as I trust him?'

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