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Good afternoon, RSPCA control centre.

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What animal is your call regarding today?

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In the UK, someone calls the RSPCA every 30 seconds.

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Exactly what did you see?

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They're left outside in all weathers

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with no bedding or shelter from the rain?

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24 hours a day, 365 days a year.

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I don't want you to go too close to it because swans can be very,

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very dangerous.

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When an animal needs help, the emergency line is open.

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Do you know, I've had non-stop calls for the past hour.

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All right, Take care, bye-bye.

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Got a bit of a rough throat now.

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It's cos I don't shut up.

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Filming as the calls come in...

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And when inspectors respond on the ground...

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I'll pass this information through to the officer.

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So close!

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Rescuing everything from injured wildlife...

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..to neglected pets.

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HE BARKS

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-Every shift is a challenge.

-CAT SCREECHES

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Rhea one, RSPCA nil.

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There's no such thing as a typical day as an RSPCA inspector.

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-DOG WHIMPERS

-Oi, get... Oh, my lord!

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-We never know what we're going to deal with.

-No two days are the same.

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You're keeping a dog out there? It's disgusting.

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-Whoa, there!

-It can get to the point where you feel like you're banging

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your head against a brick wall.

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It's dirty, sweaty...

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It stuns me sometimes, the smells that I come across.

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-SHE GAGS

-Sorry...

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There's not a lot a lot of glamour in my role.

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But even if you've just helped one animal...

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-Hi, mate!

-..it's worth it.

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-Today:

-Oh, crikey.

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A pony called Charlie, badly in need of some loving care.

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That's completely unacceptable.

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A call to a bird left battered by the storms.

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And inspector Jayne Bashford has to ask some difficult questions.

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The allegation that we've had is that the dog is being beaten.

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Every year,

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nearly 30,000 animals get abandoned in England and Wales.

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Seeing animals that have been dumped is really quite upsetting

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and makes you angry.

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There's no need for that.

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And how long have they been left abandoned? Do you know?

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Is there any evidence that the house is completely empty?

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From moving home, to money worries,

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there's many reasons people dump their pets.

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They seem to think there's going to be loads of people there to pick up

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the pieces afterwards. A lot of them probably don't

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even think that far ahead.

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It's really heart-breaking for us

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to deal with abandoned animals, and also, you know,

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how would somebody think that that's acceptable?

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And while their training teaches them

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not to get emotionally involved, some calls make it hard not to.

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In London, inspector Clare Dew is on her way to this latest call.

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I was angry the moment I received the call.

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Primarily because the animal has been dumped outside a pet shop

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that is open.

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Why didn't they just take it inside and ask for help?

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Nobody working in an industry like mine

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or even in a pet shop, is going to send that pet away if they need help.

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Dumping it on the pavement, on a cold, dark evening,

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and running away, that's just cowardly and wrong.

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Clare knows she needs to get the young kitten to the vet's

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as quickly as possible.

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It certainly sounds like that kitten is dying.

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Or it's certainly extremely ill and needs some urgent treatment.

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But it's rush hour in London.

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Oh, you...

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And traffic is slow.

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I'm trying to drive through the East End of London at six o'clock

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in the evening, but obviously on a dark evening,

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rush hour, it's really bad.

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Finally she arrives, and it's a dash to the pet shop where the animal

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has been taken in by owner Tina.

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I'm really concerned. I've given it water.

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Yeah. It's just tiddly, is it?

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-I don't...

-You don't think it's going to make it?

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I don't think so.

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I'll get it straight down to the vet, we'll see what we can do.

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-I don't think it...

-It's not going to make... KITTEN MIAOWS

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It's really not breathing very well, it's not moving,

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it's making tiny little mewling sounds,

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calling out for its mother. It's a very small, very young kitten.

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It's extremely underweight, it's very dehydrated,

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it's in a terrible state.

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-See you later.

-Good luck.

-You too. Come on, little one.

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-Good luck.

-Thank you, see you later.

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KITTEN MEWS FEEBLY

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'I pick up the kitten,'

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and I'm running down the street with it, but all the time I can feel

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the kitten doesn't weigh anything,

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it's making these really tiny, sad noises.

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KITTEN WHIMPERS

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I know, little one, I know.

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And I'm just really conscious that time is really against me here.

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The vet's surgery is only a short drive away.

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SHE SIGHS

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But again, Clare's frustrated as progress is slow.

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And she fears the worst for the kitten.

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Um... Sorry.

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All the time I'm driving to the vet,

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I can hear the kitten in the back of the van.

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And it's getting weaker and weaker,

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and at one point it totally stops making any noise

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and I really thought it had passed away in the vehicle.

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Clare arrives at the vet's...

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Come on, baby, come on, come on.

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..and knows now that every second is vital.

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I've got a kitten that I think may have died, actually, in the van.

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The veterinary surgeons immediately looked at the cat,

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and it's immediately obvious that it's extremely unwell,

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and probably been unwell for quite some time.

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KITTEN MIAOWS

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Yeah, it's not...

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..not the best-looking kitten in the world.

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I don't see any obvious injuries or anything like that,

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-but he's quite thin, and he's dehydrated.

-Dehydrated, yeah.

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So what we'll do for now... I think it's worth warming him up,

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-giving him some subcut fluids and monitoring him.

-See what happens?

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-All right, excellent.

-Yeah, I don't have...

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-Not too much hope.

-I don't have high hopes.

-No, that's understandable.

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The situation seemed quite hopeless.

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And I waited just to see what the outcome would be.

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'He's probably got a less than 50-50 chance of making it.

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'When you're that thin, you're that flat, you're that lethargic,

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'you've got quite a long way to climb back up.'

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But he's in the best possible place, he'll get the best possible care,

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so if he's going to make it anywhere, he'll make it here.

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It's a difficult hour for Clare, as she waits to hear from the vet.

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He's just deteriorated quite quickly.

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-It's all right.

-He's really struggling to breathe.

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It was just too ill and too far gone, and we couldn't save it.

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'And she made the decision to put the kitten to sleep.'

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Sorry.

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We're going to sedate you first so you don't feel anything.

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-KITTEN MEWS

-I know, sweetheart.

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CLARE SIGHS

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'It's a tragic end for that kitten,'

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but at least it didn't die just out on a pavement somewhere.

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At least in this way we have managed

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to put it out of its suffering very quickly.

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Poor little mite.

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In all the years that I've been doing the job,

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these incidents have been occurring. I'm no longer surprised

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or shocked by them. I still find them incredibly sad.

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Because each case is individual and that animal's pain is individual,

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I still find it incredibly sad.

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'Every animal deserves a chance.'

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If you don't want them or you can't afford to take them to the

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veterinary surgery, please ring somebody like ourselves that can.

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There is no excuse for dumping a sick or injured animal

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on the street, there really isn't.

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Calls about neglected animals cover all manner of complaints.

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Lack of food, no shelter,

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and untreated injuries are all too common.

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What's your concern, what makes you think they're being neglected?

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Today's latest call is about a pony whose coat is in a sorry state.

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What animal is your call regarding today?

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In Derby, inspector Chris Shaw is on his way.

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He knows the horse well.

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'With this particular horse,'

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where he's situated is in a little field facing a load of houses.

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So we do get quite a lot of calls about this pony.

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And he's no stranger to the owner, either.

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I have got a bit of history with this owner,

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and I have been and spoke to her about this before.

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So really I've given her plenty of chances to sort this out

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and she's blatantly not listening.

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So if it's still as bad as it was last time I saw it

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I'm going to have to get her out and issue her

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with a warning notice to make sure that she gets this done.

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But when he gets there, the field is empty.

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Don't tell me Charlie boy's gone.

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Then Chris spots movement in a building in the corner of the field.

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I'm just going to climb over the gate,

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and go and have a look. He's in his little stable at the moment

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so I just want to see how bad he is before I phone the owner.

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And then hopefully I can get hold of the owner, get her to come

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and meet me and discuss what's going on.

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Chris needs to give the horse a close inspection.

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Hello, mate. How are you doing?

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It doesn't take long to see he's in a sorry state.

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Good boy, good boy.

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You can see his mane's just covered in them again.

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What's your tail like? Oh, crikey.

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Yeah.

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His mane and tail were severely matted, it wasn't good at all.

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It was almost like he's got like a baseball bat on the back of him,

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or a club that's just swinging round, and whacking him each time.

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The matting is being causes by burs from the overgrown hedges

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and weeds in the field.

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You shouldn't be leaving your animals like that,

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that's completely unacceptable.

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I'm going to go and give her a call

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and see what she's got to say.

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But Chris knows he needs to handle the owner with care.

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If you go in there all guns blazing with her, she does the same,

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she comes out fighting, you know? And she won't listen, she'll argue.

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How long are you going to be?

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Ten minutes, brilliant, I'll see you in about ten minutes then.

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So I just thought, "Let's play this the right way,"

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and I went and sat in my van and waited for her to turn up, really.

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I hope it doesn't come to the stage where we have to do

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a full prosecution on this lady, but if she doesn't listen to this,

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and doesn't see that the horse is suffering,

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by her leaving it this way, then she will leave me with no choice.

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Ten minutes later, Charlie's owner, Anne, arrives.

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Last time I spoke to you I said to you

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-if you could chop some of these weeds down.

-Have you seen them?

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Yeah, you've done most of them,

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so how come you've still got it all in there, then?

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Yeah...

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You're cutting them down,

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but you're not actually taking them out of the fields.

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Perhaps if you took them out of the field, he's won't

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get them entangled in his mane and tail again.

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I said to her, "Come on, your horse is in a poor state,

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"he's got those burs all over him,

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"he's so heavily matted," and she's agreeing with me,

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which is a bit of a slap in the face for me because

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if she's agreeing and she knows about it,

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why hasn't she sorted it out already?

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'As I'm about to give her like the warning notice, really,'

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I was about to go down that road with her,

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she then starts saying, you know, well, "We can sort this out now."

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I'll be honest, over this last week,

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I've been getting quite a lot of calls about him,

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and I think it's upsetting a lot of people around here, you know?

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I do, yeah, I mean and it's not fair on Charlie,

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cos this is going to be bothering him.

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It is. I don't like seeing him like this either, Chris.

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What I'm always trying to do in situations like that

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is to get the owner on board, to realise what the problem is,

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and get them to address it, so ultimately,

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making that animal have a better life, really.

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You really need to start doing this for yourself,

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-like I keep saying to you.

-Yeah.

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It shouldn't take me coming up and saying "Come on, Anne, get it done."

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It shouldn't, Chris, you're right.

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Good boy. He's like, "Oh, you groom me, I'll groom you."

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You're going to look beautiful by the end of this, mate.

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-The mane is done.

-That don't look too bad.

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That's quite good. I mean, I'm really impressed with that.

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And with a few more snips, the tail is also freed.

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-All done.

-Look at that.

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Aw, you've got a baby tail.

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It's better than a baseball tail though, isn't it?

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It is, yeah.

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'He's got all that horrible stuff off of him,'

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he's just had half an hour of being sent to the salon, really.

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You could see a change in his demeanour, really.

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He was a completely different pony.

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So if I come back in a couple of days, then,

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am I going to expect this mane to be clear?

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Yeah?

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She did say she's got a lot of things going off in her life

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'at the moment, but to be honest

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'I hear these excuses time in, time out,'

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and there is no excuse at the end of the day.

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You know, if you take on an animal, you're completely responsible for it.

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You need to sort all these things out.

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So I'm afraid these kind of things don't wash with me.

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So this is what's just come off Charlie. I mean, that is

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quite heavy, and I mean they're just completely and utterly solid,

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so, you know, that wasn't very good for him, but now the owner's

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took them all off him, I'm sure he's feeling a lot better really.

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It's a great result for Charlie.

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But before he leaves, Chris wants to make sure Anne clears the field

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so it doesn't happen again.

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-Glass bottles, we don't have none of them in fields.

-Nope.

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'I mean, at the end of that visit, my relationship with the owner,'

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she perhaps likes me a bit more for helping her.

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I'd hope so, anyway.

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-Right, well I'm going to leave you be.

-OK.

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-Thank you very much.

-No problem.

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And I mean it. And hopefully, you'll not see me again, you know?

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Oh, no, I want to see you again, I like you coming up.

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See, he looks loads better, you must admit.

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He does. He looks happier, don't he?

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All in all, it was a good job really,

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because, you know, Charlie's happy, the owner's happy, I'm happy.

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Dealing with calls about deliberate cruelty can be especially difficult.

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She hit it with...?

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A slipper?

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But it's important inspectors on the ground keep an open mind.

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In Staffordshire, Jayne Bashford is on her way to the latest allegation.

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We've had a couple of calls to the same address.

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People expressing concerns about a dog that's being allegedly beaten,

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by its owner.

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This kind of call can require delicate handling.

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It's awkward because you are putting an allegation to somebody

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that is really unpleasant, you know,

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you are going to have to say to somebody, "Do you beat your dog?"

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Dog beatings really are one of those calls

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that when you receive it you do wonder

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how you're going to prove it.

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Jayne has been told the dog is a Staffordshire bull terrier cross.

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She'll be waiting to see if it's uneasy around its owner.

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-Hello there. Sorry to bother you, just from the RSPCA.

-Yeah.

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The door was opened by the man of the house,

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and there was a dog present.

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Aw, he's gorgeous! Should we speak upstairs?

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-Is that all right?

-Yeah, that's fine, yeah.

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I felt almost as though he was quite pleased to see me, in a way.

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It's a mess at the moment.

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Don't worry about mess. Don't worry about mess. Come on, little one.

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I like to try and build a rapport with somebody.

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OK, sweetheart, that's fine.

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And then just say to them, look, you know,

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this is the allegation, this is why I'm here.

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The allegation that we've had

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is that the dog is being beaten.

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OK?

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Now, I'm just wondering, what's... What do you think about that,

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what's your view on that allegation?

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Do you ever have to discipline the dog?

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-No. I mean, well, I do, but I don't beat it.

-No?

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I never have hit a dog. I never would do.

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I mean, I love him to pieces.

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Well, he seems to be very affectionate towards you, doesn't he?

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-What's he called?

-Rocky.

-Rocky.

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The dog isn't nervous. And appears to be a much-loved pet.

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The dog seemed fine, actually.

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Very bright and bouncy, jumping up on the sofa,

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sitting next to the man in the house.

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But then Martin has an admission.

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I was thinking about ringing the RSPCA anyway,

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-because I've actually got a job and he's...

-Have you?

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Actually...

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Is he becoming a bit troublesome for you?

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Well, he's not becoming troublesome, it's just

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he's in a flat on his own all the time.

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OK. Were you looking to re-home him?

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Well, yes, if that's possible.

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I mean, I don't want to let him go, because I love him to pieces,

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-but it's not fair.

-Yeah. Yeah.

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-To leave him on his own all day.

-Yeah.

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No, I completely understand that, and I think

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that's a responsible thing for people to do.

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Is to think about, you know,

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what's going to be the best thing for the animal.

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At the end of the day.

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If somebody actually looks you in the eye and says "I'm considering

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"re-homing my dog," you've got to help somebody in those circumstances.

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And Jayne also notices a few issues with Rocky.

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Has the vet said anything about the fur loss

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around his eyes, or anything?

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No, no. I've not really noticed that, actually.

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Let's have a look at your little face, Rocky. Hello, baby.

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-Is he quite friendly with everybody, is he?

-He is, yeah.

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Have you ever noticed any fleas on him? No?

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-He has been scratching.

-Has he?

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-Quite a bit, the last couple of days.

-OK. OK.

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If it's something that you're looking to do,

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in terms of re-homing, if you want to think on it for a little while,

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then that's an option to you as well.

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'At that stage, when I'm looking at him'

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and talking to him, I've got no absolutely no grounds

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whatsoever to even start pushing the issue at all.

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It has got to be his decision.

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-I think, for his sake...

-Do you?

-Yeah.

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OK, sweetheart. Well, I'll go and make a phone call.

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Because I don't like leaving him on his own,

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-and he doesn't like being left on his own.

-They don't.

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-They don't like being left alone.

-He does cry quite a bit.

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Does he?

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From an initial call about a dog beating,

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this job has totally changed course.

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Oh, you are wonderful.

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I'm just going to literally do the paperwork with him now,

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have a little chat, and then we'll bring him down, all right?

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With the local re-homing centre willing to take Rocky on,

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Jayne can go and deliver the news to Martin.

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Sounds awful,

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but this is one less expense that you're going to have to worry about,

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in terms of, you know, vet fees and food, and things like that.

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And I know that that's not what you think about when you own an animal.

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I can't understand why somebody's said something like this because...

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Yeah.

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For him, yeah.

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Well, Martin, I can give you my absolute word that we'll look after

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him, OK, and we'll find him a really smashing home.

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And I appreciate that it's a tough decision for you, all right?

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I understand that.

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It's difficult for Martin to say goodbye.

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Come on, then.

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Bye, Rocky.

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And Rocky is clearly finding it hard to leave, too.

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Come on, mate. Come with your dad. Come on.

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Come on. Good boy.

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It's an awkward one. I feel very sorry for him.

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But at least that was a resolution for that dog.

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Rocky is taken to the local re-homing centre...

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-Come on, then.

-..where he'll be given a fresh start.

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My personal suspicion is that this dog has got fleas.

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Maybe some mites, which can be causing the fur loss.

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It's very common in Staffies, Staffy crossbreeds, so the staff here

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will make sure that he goes to see a local vet as a priority,

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and his skin condition will clear up, I'm absolutely sure of that.

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His future is secure now,

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'in the sense that he will be re-homed through our processes'

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and hopefully he'll find his forever home, and he'll be happy there.

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He's got a lovely temperament,

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and I'm absolutely certain this dog will make somebody a fantastic pet.

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And he'll re-home very quickly.

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A wet and windy day on Northumberland's coast

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would have most people running for cover.

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But RSPCA inspectors are out on call, whatever the weather.

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Inspector Jaqui Miller's on her way to a sea bird in distress.

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It was described by the member of the public as a large black bird

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with a large beak.

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And the only bird that I'd seen really fitting

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that description is a cormorant.

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The holiday-makers who spotted the bird show Jaqui the way.

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But this is no gentle stroll along the beach.

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'It was quite a hike from the van to the actual beach area.'

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It was hard to see when all your hair's blowing everywhere.

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Sensibly, the bird's taken refuge out of the wind,

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and Jaqui's pleased the callers can point her straight to it.

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'It was quite a grey and dull day.'

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And obviously the bird is dark in colour as well,

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so it was quite hard to spot.

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The bird's hiding behind a rock.

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Ah, you can see him right there.

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But at first glance, Jaqui's not sure what it is.

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Right, OK.

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'For me, it's pretty rare to see such a bird like this.

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'I've only ever seen one large bird like this before,'

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and it was a large adult gannet.

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And although it's clearly in distress, it's not clear why.

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It didn't appear to have any wing injuries,

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it didn't appear to have anything wrong with its head.

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'I just couldn't figure out what was wrong with it,

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'and why it wouldn't move.'

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It's almost shaking.

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'If you're going to an injured wild animal,

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'you can't sort of dilly about when you're catching them.'

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A lot of them will die from stress,

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rather than actually the injuries that they've got.

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You need to be confident and you need to try and do it in one go.

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It's time for her most trusted bit of kit. The bath towel.

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BIRD SQUAWKS REPEATEDLY I know. I know.

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'The plan was to scoop it up, get it straight in the box.'

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Unfortunately it was a bit bigger than what I thought

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it was going to be, and it was a little bit more wriggly.

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'And then it didn't help that the wind's blowing

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'the towel in one direction, and my goggles are falling off,

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'because they're too big.' SHE LAUGHS

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Right. OK!

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BIRD SQUAWKS

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He may not be happy, but the mystery bird is safely in the box.

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Go on, big lad. We'll get you secure in here.

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And Jaqui can now get him some help.

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I think that went all right. Good old towel.

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Jaqui heads for the Berwick Swan And Wildlife Trust,

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-which treats maritime birds.

-Hiya!

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And she's in for a surprise.

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He's a gannet? A young one? Oh, OK.

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You know, the lady's telling me it's a juvenile gannet.

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'I'd never seen a juvenile gannet before.

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'You learn things every day.

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'You know the difference between a healthy animal

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'and an unhealthy animal, but you might not necessarily know

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'the species, and that's why we go to people with specific knowledge,'

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'and they can tell us exactly what they are.

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With the bird confirmed as a juvenile gannet,

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the next step is to find out what's wrong with it.

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-Can he stand?

-He did stand in the box.

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But he just... He just feels wobbly.

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Oh, that's not nice, is it?

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That's skinned the whole toe there, look.

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He's probably just been battered in the sea.

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The gannet's been a victim of the weather.

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-It was very windy yesterday wasn't it?

-Yeah.

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And he's in good company.

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'The reason they'd been brought in that day is because

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'we'd had high winds, and high tides.

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'And a lot of them had been bashed up against the rocks.

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He's was quite winded, almost.'

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And quite exhausted, because of what he'd had to fight against,

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the previous 24, 48 hours.

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Are you all right, wibbly?

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He's actually de-gloved one of his toes.

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It's not bleeding or anything, so what happens is,

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they will keep him in here, and they'll feed him up,

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give him some rest, some TLC and hopefully get him back out.

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And he looks like he'll live up to his name.

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-Oh!

-He's trying. That's good.

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Couldn't quite get it down, but he was interested straightaway,

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to take it off them. Which is a really, really good sign.

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It's really quite encouraging to see him interested in the fish.

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I think he's going to be good. A couple of weeks, then he'll be out.

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Back out on those seas, eh, matey?

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And it's certainly been a productive day for Jaqui.

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I've learnt a lot today.

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About gannets and about how they go away,

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and that this is supposedly this year's chick.

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And how they go away for a couple of years and come back white.

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We learn things on the job all the time.

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It's definitely one for the memory bank,

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to remember what they look like.

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