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One question divides animal lovers like no other - | 0:00:03 | 0:00:07 | |
which is best, a cat or a dog? | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
Hmm. Most people tend to favour one or the other, | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
so it can lead to some pretty heated arguments. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:17 | |
So, we're going to pit our beloved pets against each other | 0:00:17 | 0:00:21 | |
to try and settle the debate once and for all. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:23 | |
Liz and I are going head-to-head too | 0:00:23 | 0:00:25 | |
and I'm firmly on the side of the dogs. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:28 | |
Which means I'm flying the flag for cats! | 0:00:28 | 0:00:30 | |
Last time, cats took the lead in the first round of our epic battle, | 0:00:32 | 0:00:36 | |
as we tested our pets' intelligence, | 0:00:36 | 0:00:39 | |
their senses and their physical prowess. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
Tonight, though, we're once again drawing on ground-breaking research | 0:00:42 | 0:00:46 | |
from around the world to compare our favourite animals | 0:00:46 | 0:00:50 | |
for the very first time. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:52 | |
By the end of the show, we'll know who comes out on top, cats or dogs. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:57 | |
This time, we're looking at which animal is easier to train. | 0:00:57 | 0:01:01 | |
-How well do they understand us? -DOG BARKS | 0:01:03 | 0:01:05 | |
-And how well do we understand them? -CAT MEOWS | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
Which one is best for our stress? | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
And who is more independent? Which animal is the "lone ranger"? | 0:01:11 | 0:01:15 | |
And finally, we use brand-new science to try and find out | 0:01:15 | 0:01:19 | |
the answer to the ultimate question. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
Do our cats and dogs really love us? | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
And if so, which loves us the most? | 0:01:25 | 0:01:27 | |
Let the battle continue. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:31 | |
And may the best pet win. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:33 | |
-The best pet win? -It's clearly going to be cats. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:35 | |
Here's the best pet. Look at this! Black poodle. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
And to battle this out, we're basing ourselves here in Cambridgeshire, | 0:01:42 | 0:01:46 | |
at one of the country's leading veterinary referral centres | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
and it's one that specialises in cats and dogs. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
The 200-strong staff here | 0:01:52 | 0:01:54 | |
look after thousands of cats and dogs every year. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:57 | |
They're experts in animal behaviour and physiology. They've seen it all. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:01 | |
'And we'll be consulting scientists from around the world, | 0:02:01 | 0:02:05 | |
'but rest assured, none of our tests will cause any harm to the animals. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:09 | |
'We'll also reveal more results from our unique survey of 1,000 people | 0:02:09 | 0:02:13 | |
'who own both a cat and a dog | 0:02:13 | 0:02:15 | |
'to find out which animal you thought was best.' | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
To start off with, I'm going to lay an ace. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:21 | |
I'm going to start strong. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:23 | |
You see, from my point of view, | 0:02:23 | 0:02:24 | |
one of the things that makes the dog the better pet is trainability. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:29 | |
'David Templar is one of the UK's top dog trainers.' | 0:02:35 | 0:02:38 | |
DOG WHISTLE BLOWS | 0:02:38 | 0:02:39 | |
'He's been training and breeding gun dogs for over 30 years | 0:02:41 | 0:02:45 | |
'and today, I'm going to put him and his dogs to the test.' | 0:02:45 | 0:02:51 | |
Good boy! | 0:02:51 | 0:02:52 | |
I say - a finely-dressed man with an equally fine pack of dogs. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:56 | |
-Thank you. Hi, Chris. -How are you? | 0:02:56 | 0:02:58 | |
-Very well, very well. -Who have we got here, then? | 0:02:58 | 0:03:00 | |
These are all award-winning dogs. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:01 | |
Joe is the Labrador, he's a winning Labrador of ours. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
-Oh, yes. -Gwendolyn here is a field trials champion. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:06 | |
You've trained these dogs to an exceptional standard, | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
but surely not every dog is trainable? | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
Any dog you could ever have, it can be trained. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:14 | |
OK, so if I went and randomly selected one of your puppies... | 0:03:14 | 0:03:19 | |
If I gave you just half an hour, | 0:03:19 | 0:03:20 | |
what could you do with one of those animals? | 0:03:20 | 0:03:22 | |
No previous training? | 0:03:22 | 0:03:24 | |
Hopefully, it will walk to heel and it will sit. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
Well, it's certainly a challenge, but I'm up for it. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
'These are some of David's puppies | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
'and they've not yet had any training at all.' | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
So, my task is to pick just one of these. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:39 | |
OK, what about this one here? Come on. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:42 | |
-Come on, then. -So, this is the one. Here we go. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:47 | |
-Thank you, Chris. -Now, I'm absolutely ruthless. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
So, half an hour and it's going to start the minute you leave the pen. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:55 | |
Well, let's see what we can do. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:57 | |
Oh, over we go. Hello, we'd better name you. | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
Right, Chris, would you like to name it? | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
-How about "Max"? -Max? | 0:04:04 | 0:04:07 | |
Max. OK, come on. Right, you're down to 29 minutes, mate. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:10 | |
29 minutes? Let's go. Thank you. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:12 | |
Let's go, little puppy-wuppy. Let's go and see what we can do. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
Oh, come on then, come on then! Let's have a bit of fun. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:19 | |
You've got a new name, called Max. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:21 | |
'David needs to teach Max to walk to heel, to sit | 0:04:21 | 0:04:25 | |
'and to wear a lead for the first time in his life. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
'After a few minutes of play, training begins.' | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
Good boy. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:36 | |
'Amazingly, David is training Max without using any treats - | 0:04:36 | 0:04:41 | |
'just some love and attention is enough.' | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
Good boy. Hey, hey, hey! | 0:04:44 | 0:04:46 | |
Max, Max? Sit. Sit... Good boy. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:50 | |
Yeah, you're nearly ready now. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:52 | |
Chris, it's done! | 0:04:52 | 0:04:54 | |
You haven't had your full half an hour. | 0:04:56 | 0:04:58 | |
-How long have we got? -You've got another...seven minutes. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:02 | |
Seven minutes? | 0:05:02 | 0:05:04 | |
You clearly don't need it. You're brimming with confidence. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
-OK. -Obviously, we're now a little bit tired, | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
-because we've had that 20 minutes, a bit of pressure... -No, hold on. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
I don't need excuses. I need a demonstration. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:14 | |
-Let's have a look. -Let's see what we can do. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
-Hello, Maxie. Heel, heel, heel. -DAVID BECKONS | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
Heel, good lad. Heel. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:21 | |
Good boy. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:24 | |
Good lad. A little puppy. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:27 | |
Sit. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:29 | |
There you go, Chris. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:31 | |
I'm impressed. I'm impressed. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
For a very small puppy, that's pretty good. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
-He's on the way. -He's on the way. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:39 | |
-A future champion. -Could well be. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:41 | |
'Of course, this is just the beginning. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
'It's going to take many months to fully train Max. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:48 | |
'And a dog's incredible trainability | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
'is key to their amazing relationship with us, | 0:05:50 | 0:05:54 | |
'which began some 35,000 years ago. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
'And over the millennia, | 0:05:58 | 0:06:00 | |
'we've selectively bred the most trainable dogs, | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
'resulting in a remarkable partnership. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
'The same traits that make them so good at working with us | 0:06:08 | 0:06:12 | |
'now make them wonderful pets.' | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
'Cats, on the other hand, | 0:06:20 | 0:06:22 | |
'only began their domestication 10,000 years ago | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
'and we haven't bred them for trainability.' | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
But we did ask owners if they thought you could train a cat. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:32 | |
37% said no. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:34 | |
58% thought it was possible. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:37 | |
Let's see if they're right. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
'Cosmos lives in Wiltshire with his owner, Dr Sarah Ellis. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:48 | |
BELL RINGS | 0:06:48 | 0:06:49 | |
'After a hard day out on the prowl, dinner is served. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
'After dinner, he likes nothing more than relaxing on the sofa | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
'with his favourite TV show.' | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
The way that they experience and understand their world | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
is far more sophisticated than I would have imagined. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:10 | |
'No, no, no. That won't do. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:11 | |
I've learned that it's the animal senses that shut... | 0:07:11 | 0:07:15 | |
Could find a way for cats... 'That's more like it.' | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
..to maintain their independent, wild side | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
and live happier lives alongside us. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:23 | |
'Clearly, Cosmos has been very well trained by Sarah, | 0:07:24 | 0:07:28 | |
'so I've come to find out how it's done.' | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
BELL RINGS | 0:07:30 | 0:07:32 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:07:32 | 0:07:33 | |
-Hey, Cosmos. -Hi. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:35 | |
I have never seen a cat do that before. That's amazing! | 0:07:35 | 0:07:39 | |
So Sarah, how do you go about training a cat? | 0:07:41 | 0:07:45 | |
Much the same way you do as a dog. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:47 | |
Any behaviour that we want that's desirable, we reward. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:51 | |
It has a positive consequence | 0:07:51 | 0:07:53 | |
and that's going to make that behaviour | 0:07:53 | 0:07:55 | |
much more likely to happen again. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:57 | |
Any behaviour that we don't want to happen, we simply ignore. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:01 | |
And that's exactly how dogs learn too. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:03 | |
So, what kind of rewards work well for cats? | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
Is it only food? | 0:08:06 | 0:08:07 | |
I would say it's probably the most universal for cats. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
But there are other things. One being toys. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
If we play with toys in the right way so that it mimics hunting, | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
that can also be a really good motivating reward. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
To what extent are you limited | 0:08:19 | 0:08:21 | |
by the animal's intrinsic natural behaviours, | 0:08:21 | 0:08:24 | |
when it comes to getting them to do things for you? | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
We can train them to do anything | 0:08:27 | 0:08:29 | |
that they are physically capable to do, by simply | 0:08:29 | 0:08:33 | |
rewarding small approximations of that final end goal behaviour. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:38 | |
OK, so then, how does it work in practice? | 0:08:38 | 0:08:40 | |
You taught Cosmos how to change the channels on the remote. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:43 | |
Can you show me how you teach him to do that? | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
Yeah, sure. So, I just basically present this to him | 0:08:46 | 0:08:49 | |
and initially if he just sniffed it, I would reward that. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:53 | |
And then I moved it slightly higher up and slightly out of his reach, | 0:08:54 | 0:08:58 | |
so that he was more inclined to reach it with his paw. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
Good. There you go. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
Well done. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:05 | |
And then, when he did that, I only rewarded that behaviour. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
I didn't reward the earlier behaviours | 0:09:08 | 0:09:10 | |
and then I brought it back down again, knowing now that he knew | 0:09:10 | 0:09:13 | |
only to paw it until I could place it on the sofa and he would paw it. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
It's those successive approximations of your final desired behaviour. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:20 | |
Amazing. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:22 | |
You were great, Cosmos. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:24 | |
High five. Oh! | 0:09:24 | 0:09:25 | |
I've got to say, I'm very, very surprised | 0:09:28 | 0:09:30 | |
that cats can be trained in the same way as dogs, | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
but then to train a cat, | 0:09:33 | 0:09:34 | |
you're going to need an enormous amount of time, | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
a tremendous amount of patience and the right sort of cat. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
And whatever the animal, to train it, you're going to need motivation. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:45 | |
Motivation is needed for all sorts of success in life. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:48 | |
Now, there's some brand-new science that's been done | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
which explains not only why dogs are easy to be trained, | 0:09:51 | 0:09:55 | |
but why they're keen to be trained. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
'I went to Hungary to find out more. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:01 | |
'At the Family Dog lab in Budapest, Attila Andics and Marta Gacsi | 0:10:01 | 0:10:06 | |
'have trained dogs to take part in an extraordinary experiment.' | 0:10:06 | 0:10:10 | |
This is Apatch and aside from being an extraordinarily cute little dog, | 0:10:13 | 0:10:18 | |
he's also a remarkable dog, | 0:10:18 | 0:10:21 | |
because he's been taking part in some ground-breaking research | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
which has revealed just why dogs are so trainable. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:30 | |
But in order to do that, he's had to learn something quite extraordinary. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:34 | |
Now, he belongs to Marta, one of the scientists here and luckily, | 0:10:34 | 0:10:38 | |
she's come along today so that he can repeat some of this experiment. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:42 | |
Come on, then. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:44 | |
'Amazingly, Attila and Marta have trained dogs | 0:10:49 | 0:10:53 | |
'to voluntarily lie still in a brain scanner.' | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
Now, I've seen dogs trained to do some remarkable things before, | 0:10:57 | 0:11:01 | |
but nothing like this. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:03 | |
Look at that. He's jumped up on the bed of the scanner. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
He's laying perfectly still... | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
and he's got headphones on. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:09 | |
'Marta stays in the scanner room with Apatch, | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
'whilst Attila and I watch from the control room.' | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
Now, we can start the scanning. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:24 | |
So, Attila, tell me what's going to be going on inside the scanner? | 0:11:25 | 0:11:29 | |
We are measuring the activity in the dog brain | 0:11:29 | 0:11:31 | |
to see how it reacts to praises. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
Dogs hear voice recordings through headphones of people saying | 0:11:34 | 0:11:38 | |
"good boy" and other praise words. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
'Apatch is listening to praise, | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
'while the brain scanner measures neural activity inside his brain. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:49 | |
'The experiment lasts eight minutes and Apatch lies perfectly still. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:57 | |
'Any more than 3mm of movement would ruin the data.' | 0:11:57 | 0:12:01 | |
Here's a question. If you say, "Good boy, good boy" to a dog, | 0:12:03 | 0:12:05 | |
they normally just start wagging their tail | 0:12:05 | 0:12:07 | |
-and that's going to spoil things as well. -Oh, it's hard. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:10 | |
Yeah, it's hard for them. We train them not to wag their tail. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
So, he's been trained NOT to wag his tail? | 0:12:13 | 0:12:15 | |
-Yeah, they're trained not... -It's a hell of a dog you've got there. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
'The results are still unpublished, | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
'but the scans show that when Apatch hears the praise words, | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
'the reward regions of his brain are activated.' | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
Whenever a dog is praised, | 0:12:27 | 0:12:29 | |
the dog will activate this so-called "reward centre". | 0:12:29 | 0:12:33 | |
These are very ancient brain regions of not only dogs, | 0:12:33 | 0:12:37 | |
but in many animals. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:38 | |
-Including us? -Yep. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:40 | |
And they typically respond to food, drink, sex... | 0:12:40 | 0:12:45 | |
These are the regions which somehow signal to the individual that, | 0:12:45 | 0:12:50 | |
hey, something pleasurable just happened. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:52 | |
OK. So, is it fair to say then, | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
that when we praise our dogs, we are making them happy with that praise? | 0:12:55 | 0:13:00 | |
Yeah, I think this is actually a proof that these dogs | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
find verbal praise pleasurable, | 0:13:03 | 0:13:07 | |
just as they would enjoy a food treat. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:09 | |
These results are hugely significant, | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
because they reveal that dogs get pleasure from our praise. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:18 | |
So in turn, they are motivated to please us | 0:13:18 | 0:13:23 | |
and it's that which makes them so eminently trainable. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:27 | |
'In our survey, many of you were right | 0:13:29 | 0:13:31 | |
'when you said that cats could be trained, | 0:13:31 | 0:13:33 | |
'but the science shows that pooches win paws down on trainability.' | 0:13:33 | 0:13:38 | |
Dogs are understandably easier to train than cats, | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
but we all know what can happen | 0:13:44 | 0:13:46 | |
if you don't take the time to train your dog. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
'Who could forget Britain's least obedient dog?' | 0:13:49 | 0:13:53 | |
Fenton! | 0:13:53 | 0:13:55 | |
FENTON! | 0:13:57 | 0:13:58 | |
When relationships go wrong between dogs and their owners, | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
one of the principal reasons is because at some stage, | 0:14:06 | 0:14:08 | |
communication has broken down. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:10 | |
Communication in all its forms can go a long way | 0:14:10 | 0:14:14 | |
towards building great relationships with your pets. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
But how well do you think you can understand yours? | 0:14:17 | 0:14:20 | |
In our survey of joint cat and dog owners, we asked | 0:14:20 | 0:14:24 | |
which one they thought communicated with them the best - | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
the cat or the dog. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:29 | |
OK, and here are the results. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:30 | |
11% of you said cats. I am DEEPLY disappointed with that. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:35 | |
11%... 78% said it was their dogs | 0:14:35 | 0:14:39 | |
and I think that's quite telling. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:41 | |
'So, let's see what the science says about all of this. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:45 | |
'Our next battle cry is all about communication.' | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
This is one of four dog wards here in the clinic | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
and although many of these animals are on the road to recovery, | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
DOGS BARK as you can hear, | 0:14:59 | 0:15:01 | |
they're not having any trouble communicating whatsoever. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:03 | |
-And you listen to this all day? -Yeah, we certainly do. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
-Can you talk dog? -We generally understand what they're trying to tell us. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
They have a range of different barks. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:11 | |
I've got two dogs and I can identify which dog is which by their barks. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:15 | |
-Yes. -And also, what they're trying to say. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
What's interesting about the barking, though, | 0:15:18 | 0:15:20 | |
is that wolves only bark for about 3% of their vocalisations. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:24 | |
Dogs spend a lot more time barking because we understand that - | 0:15:24 | 0:15:27 | |
it's part of a process of what we call co-evolution. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
We both evolve to understand one another, | 0:15:30 | 0:15:32 | |
so that we can properly communicate. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:34 | |
Yeah! What about that, Liz? | 0:15:34 | 0:15:36 | |
Can your cats properly communicate like that? | 0:15:36 | 0:15:39 | |
Can you talk cat, Liz? | 0:15:39 | 0:15:41 | |
Yes, all very impressive, but the thing is, | 0:15:42 | 0:15:44 | |
cats have also developed a way of communicating specifically with us. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:49 | |
Adult wild cats rarely meow, but domestic cats meow a lot | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
and this seems to be mainly for our benefit | 0:15:53 | 0:15:56 | |
and the acoustic properties of the meow have changed over time. | 0:15:56 | 0:16:00 | |
Domestic meows are shorter | 0:16:00 | 0:16:02 | |
and of higher frequency than the wild cat meow. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
-Listen to this wild cat... -HARSH WILD CAT MEOW | 0:16:05 | 0:16:09 | |
Our domestic cat meows sound a lot more pleasant to the human ear. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
DOMESTIC CAT MEOWS | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
And recent research has revealed | 0:16:15 | 0:16:17 | |
that cat owners can understand their cats | 0:16:17 | 0:16:19 | |
much better than you might think. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:21 | |
'I've come to The Black Cat pub in Chesham | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
'to test out cat communication skills | 0:16:26 | 0:16:28 | |
'with the help of our top cat whisperer.' | 0:16:28 | 0:16:30 | |
I'm meeting Sarah Ellis and a group of cat owners here | 0:16:32 | 0:16:34 | |
to find out to what extent we might be able to understand cat meows - | 0:16:34 | 0:16:38 | |
and the pub's very own black cat is here as well, | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
so we're enlisting him to take part in our little experiment. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
-I take it this is THE black cat? -This is the cat. This is Rambo. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:51 | |
-How old is Rambo? -Nine. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:53 | |
-And is he very vocal? -No. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:55 | |
He knows what he wants and he gets what he wants when he wants it. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
-..Without having to meow too much for it? -Yeah... No, no. -Fair enough. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
CAT MEOWS | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
'Our human volunteers have been recording their cats meowing | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
-'in a variety of situations. -CAT MEOWS SOFTLY | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
'While they're watching their owner preparing food... | 0:17:09 | 0:17:11 | |
'when they're negotiating a barrier... | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
'when they want attention from their owner | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
'and when their owner is withholding food.' | 0:17:17 | 0:17:21 | |
OK, so the first thing we're going to do is try and figure out | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
whether YOU can recognise your own cat, | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
from a selection of cat meows. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:30 | |
So when you think you hear your cat, just shout out, "That's my cat". | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
Here we go. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:36 | |
-CAT MEOWS -I'll go for Cookie. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
-CAT MEOWS -I think that's Dinah. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
CAT MEOWS | 0:17:43 | 0:17:45 | |
I'm pretty sure that's Rambo. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
CAT MEOWS | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
That's Hen. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:51 | |
CAT MEOWS I think that's mine. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
CAT PURRS | 0:17:54 | 0:17:56 | |
I think that's my cat. | 0:17:56 | 0:17:58 | |
Hand up immediately. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:00 | |
You guys are good. Well done. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:02 | |
Well done, everybody. That was really interesting. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:05 | |
You do know your cats. There's no question. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:07 | |
'Everyone was able to recognise their cat's meow, | 0:18:07 | 0:18:11 | |
'but now, we're going to see if they can recognise | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
'the context of the different meows.' | 0:18:13 | 0:18:15 | |
CAT MEOWS | 0:18:17 | 0:18:19 | |
-That's hard. I'll go for food preparation. -OK. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
CAT MEOWS | 0:18:22 | 0:18:24 | |
Sounds like he wants to go out. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:26 | |
CAT MEOWS | 0:18:27 | 0:18:29 | |
Is...that...preparing food? | 0:18:29 | 0:18:33 | |
CAT MEOWS | 0:18:33 | 0:18:35 | |
I would say that's him wanting food - food preparation. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:39 | |
CAT MEOWS | 0:18:39 | 0:18:41 | |
-I would hazard a guess at attention. -OK. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
CAT MEOWS | 0:18:44 | 0:18:46 | |
Yeah, that's negotiating a barrier. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:48 | |
OK. Seem pretty sure of yourself there, Rhana. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
I know my cat. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:53 | |
Right, so I think it's the moment we've all been waiting for. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:57 | |
-Please give them their results. -OK. | 0:18:57 | 0:18:59 | |
We have a group that did very, very well and that was you three here. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:04 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:19:04 | 0:19:05 | |
You were 100%. Well done, guys. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:09 | |
-High five. -High five. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:11 | |
I'm afraid you guys didn't do as well as this group, | 0:19:11 | 0:19:13 | |
but I think you actually ended up | 0:19:13 | 0:19:15 | |
with a harder bunch of cats, by chance. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:19 | |
So Sarah, how does our little experiment | 0:19:19 | 0:19:21 | |
marry with the research that you've carried out? | 0:19:21 | 0:19:23 | |
When we look at cat meows, there isn't a universal language. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:27 | |
Each individual cat seems to have | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
its own set of distinct vocalisations. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
By living with the cat, they're able to learn | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
each individual cat's own vocalisations | 0:19:35 | 0:19:38 | |
and also, the cat will be able to try out different meows | 0:19:38 | 0:19:42 | |
and find out which one works best for that owner. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
OK, so the owner learns to become more familiar with the cat's meows | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
and the cat's meows are changing and becoming more and more specific | 0:19:48 | 0:19:52 | |
to that owner, because of the owner's behaviour. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:54 | |
Yeah. It's an incredibly clever species. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
It's able to manipulate us and to live alongside us | 0:19:57 | 0:19:59 | |
to really get what it wants and have the best of life. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
Communication of course is a two-way process, | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
so how well do THEY understand us? | 0:20:07 | 0:20:10 | |
I'm almost lost for words. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:12 | |
I mean, dogs have got this in the bag, you know, hands down. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
Cats don't even know their own name. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:17 | |
Ah, not true, Chris. Take a look at this. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:19 | |
'Scientists in Japan carried out a simple experiment' | 0:20:19 | 0:20:22 | |
RESEARCHER SPEAKS JAPANESE | 0:20:22 | 0:20:23 | |
'to see if cats recognised their own name.' | 0:20:23 | 0:20:27 | |
SPEAKS JAPANESE | 0:20:30 | 0:20:32 | |
'Cats do know their name, even if they don't come running every time. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
CAT MEOWS | 0:20:35 | 0:20:36 | |
'But you can train them to come, especially if food is involved.' | 0:20:36 | 0:20:41 | |
Come here. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:42 | |
-Come here... -SHE LAUGHS | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
-That was a brilliant entrance. -It's Super Cat! He's amazing. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
I know! It was amazing. But getting back to the serious stuff. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
In our last programme, | 0:20:55 | 0:20:56 | |
we proved that dogs are the more intelligent animal... | 0:20:56 | 0:20:59 | |
-We didn't, really... -..And therefore, | 0:20:59 | 0:21:00 | |
they have a better understanding of their humans. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:03 | |
We've even come across a dog | 0:21:03 | 0:21:05 | |
that knows as many words as a two-year-old. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
'Yeah, Gable the border collie is ten years old | 0:21:09 | 0:21:13 | |
'and lives in Loughborough with his owner, Sally. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
'Dr Emile van der Zee from the University of Lincoln | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
'has been studying Gable's remarkable abilities. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:23 | |
'To test him, Sally and Emile are laying out | 0:21:23 | 0:21:26 | |
'a large selection of his toys.' | 0:21:26 | 0:21:28 | |
Gabe! Pig, get pig. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:35 | |
Good boy. Get spacehopper. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
'Gable knows the name of about 150 toys.' | 0:21:43 | 0:21:48 | |
Good boy! | 0:21:48 | 0:21:50 | |
It started when he was a young puppy. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:51 | |
I just used to say, well, go and get your ball, | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
or go and get your toy and I suddenly began to realise, | 0:21:54 | 0:21:56 | |
he actually was going and getting what I was asking him to do. | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
So I thought, I'll try him on one that's hidden upstairs. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:03 | |
So I said to him, Gable, get Kong. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:05 | |
Before I knew it, he had appeared with this toy. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
Good boy! | 0:22:12 | 0:22:14 | |
So then, I just thought, I'll see what happens if I teach him toys | 0:22:14 | 0:22:16 | |
and, you know, see how many he can remember. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
So, the game really started from there. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:21 | |
Right, what shall we get this time? Get Henrietta. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
I contacted Lincoln University, | 0:22:27 | 0:22:29 | |
seeing whether or not they might be interested in him. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
It was very exciting for us, | 0:22:32 | 0:22:33 | |
because it's wonderful to see how dogs learn words and we discovered | 0:22:33 | 0:22:36 | |
that he knew about 45 different words and it's quite amazing to see | 0:22:36 | 0:22:40 | |
that he now knows about 150 words and that is very much comparable | 0:22:40 | 0:22:44 | |
to what a child knows when they are sort of two years old. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
What about...pineapple? | 0:22:47 | 0:22:49 | |
I think Gable is quite unique. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:52 | |
There are only four to five other dogs in the whole world | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
that we know that know so many words. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:57 | |
My guess would be that dogs in general | 0:22:57 | 0:22:59 | |
understand up to about ten words, | 0:22:59 | 0:23:01 | |
but I'm sure that if people try at home | 0:23:01 | 0:23:03 | |
that it is possible to train your dogs and to know more words. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:07 | |
'Remarkably, Emile discovered that Gable is also able to work out | 0:23:07 | 0:23:11 | |
'the names of new objects without being taught.' | 0:23:11 | 0:23:15 | |
So what we're going to do now... There are five objects over there | 0:23:15 | 0:23:18 | |
that Gable already knows the name for | 0:23:18 | 0:23:20 | |
and we're going to put a new object over there | 0:23:20 | 0:23:22 | |
and then Sally will sound out a new name and let's see what happens. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
Will Gable be able to work out | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
that the new name refers to the new toy - | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
the one that he's never seen before? | 0:23:31 | 0:23:33 | |
Get Chris Packham. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
'What?!' | 0:23:36 | 0:23:37 | |
-Yeah! -Yeah! Well done. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:44 | |
-Yeah, look at that. -Chris Packham! -LAUGHTER | 0:23:44 | 0:23:48 | |
Good lad, good lad! | 0:23:48 | 0:23:50 | |
Bobby, this is Chris. Chris! | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
Fetch Chris. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:57 | |
Yeah. Perhaps we're some ways from teaching cats | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
as many words as Gable knows. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:02 | |
But you know what? It's not just about verbal communication. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:06 | |
'Visual communication also plays a huge part | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
'in how we relate to our cats. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
'And these cats have even been taught to understand sign language.' | 0:24:12 | 0:24:17 | |
That is, I have to say, truly wonderful - | 0:24:27 | 0:24:29 | |
but I can't let Liz have it all her own way. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
I'm here with Rosie and Horus. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:34 | |
And Rosie, Horus is completely deaf, isn't he? | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
Yep, he's completely deaf. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:39 | |
But you've trained him to respond to a large number of hand commands. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:44 | |
Yeah. The last time I counted, | 0:24:44 | 0:24:46 | |
-he knows about 60 different hand signals. -Goodness me. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
Can we have a look at some of the signals, then? | 0:24:49 | 0:24:51 | |
-Some of the things that you've taught him. -Yeah. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:53 | |
So, we have a "sit". Good boy. And then "stand up". Good boy. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:56 | |
Good boy, down. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:01 | |
Down. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
-Yeah, good boy! -That's fantastic. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:08 | |
Well, he's a remarkable dog. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:10 | |
And I've got to say, you must be a remarkable trainer. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:12 | |
'So far in our communication round, it's very close. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:16 | |
'Dogs may be ahead by a whisker, | 0:25:16 | 0:25:18 | |
'but they've got an unfair advantage.' | 0:25:18 | 0:25:20 | |
Dogs are social animals and we've bred them to obey our every command. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:25 | |
Cats, on the other hand, are solitary animals | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
and we haven't domesticated them for anywhere near as long. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:30 | |
So, the fact that they can understand us at all | 0:25:30 | 0:25:32 | |
-is pretty remarkable. -You're absolutely right, | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
but there is one other key relationship factor | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
that we have to think about when it comes to making the best pet - | 0:25:38 | 0:25:42 | |
and that is emotional understanding. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
'I've come to the Clever Dog Lab in Vienna | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
'to meet Professor Ludwig Huber and a very clever dog called Mikhail.' | 0:25:50 | 0:25:55 | |
Ludwig, like many dog owners, | 0:25:55 | 0:25:57 | |
I think that my dogs can discriminate my facial expressions | 0:25:57 | 0:26:02 | |
and you've come up with quite a neat and sophisticated test | 0:26:02 | 0:26:04 | |
to see if this is the case. How does it work? | 0:26:04 | 0:26:07 | |
First of all, we showed him an angry face next to a happy face | 0:26:07 | 0:26:12 | |
and as you can see, only half of the face. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
In this case, it's the lower part | 0:26:15 | 0:26:16 | |
and the dog is trained to touch with the nose one of those faces. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:20 | |
Either the happy or the angry. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:22 | |
'Mikhail has been trained to touch the smiling half face to get a treat.' | 0:26:22 | 0:26:26 | |
Most of the dogs, not all... | 0:26:26 | 0:26:28 | |
11 of 18, are able to make this discrimination. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
'But Ludwig now ups the ante | 0:26:33 | 0:26:35 | |
'to test that the dogs are really recognising the emotion in the face | 0:26:35 | 0:26:40 | |
'and not just a simpler cue, like the smile. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:43 | |
'Can he correctly pick the happy eyes, | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
'even though he was only trained with the lower half of the face? | 0:26:47 | 0:26:52 | |
'Well, yes. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:53 | |
'Incredibly, Mikhail appears to be able | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
'to still pick the correct emotion from the eyes alone.' | 0:26:56 | 0:27:00 | |
The dogs that we tested... | 0:27:00 | 0:27:02 | |
all of them were significantly above chance | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
when they first saw the other half. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
In the range of 70-80% correct. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:10 | |
70-80%? That's more than convincing. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:13 | |
Superb. Superb. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:20 | |
You see, I feel vindicated as a dog owner. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
I thought all along | 0:27:23 | 0:27:24 | |
that they would be able to distinguish my facial expressions - | 0:27:24 | 0:27:28 | |
to tell when I was happy and sad. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:30 | |
But the next big question is, of course, | 0:27:30 | 0:27:33 | |
do they actually understand what those emotions mean? | 0:27:33 | 0:27:38 | |
That's the tricky one. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:40 | |
'And to find out, I'm meeting Professor Adam Miklosi | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
'at the Family Dog lab in Budapest.' | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
Tell me about this experiment we're going to look at now, then. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
Here we try to understand how | 0:27:51 | 0:27:53 | |
and whether dogs are understanding human emotions. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:56 | |
So, in order to do that, we put two bottles on the floor, | 0:27:56 | 0:28:00 | |
one at each side and ask the owner to display | 0:28:00 | 0:28:04 | |
either a happy emotion behind one of them | 0:28:04 | 0:28:07 | |
and a disgusting emotion behind the other one - | 0:28:07 | 0:28:10 | |
and ask the dog to retrieve one of them, whichever he likes. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:15 | |
And if dogs understand the human emotion, | 0:28:15 | 0:28:18 | |
they should retrieve the happy bottle. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
-OK, let's see how he gets on. -Yeah. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:23 | |
Off he goes. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:25 | |
-Oh, it's going good. -Happy bottle. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:27 | |
This is the happy emotion. He likes it. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:32 | |
And that's the disgusting one. That's really disgusting. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
-He's gone straight for the happy bottle. -Yeah. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:47 | |
What was the overall result that you found? | 0:28:47 | 0:28:49 | |
Out of testing more than 120 dogs in this experiment, | 0:28:49 | 0:28:54 | |
we found that dogs retrieved over 66% the happy object | 0:28:54 | 0:28:59 | |
that was really preferred by the owner. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:02 | |
This experiment seems to suggest | 0:29:06 | 0:29:09 | |
that dogs can certainly read our emotions - | 0:29:09 | 0:29:13 | |
maybe even understand them, | 0:29:13 | 0:29:16 | |
especially when we're being happy. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:19 | |
Now, your cats... | 0:29:20 | 0:29:22 | |
Your cats can't do that, can they? | 0:29:22 | 0:29:24 | |
No, no, no, no. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:26 | |
A cat can't do that, can it? They can't, no. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:28 | |
So, are dogs in a league of their own | 0:29:31 | 0:29:33 | |
when it comes to reading our faces? | 0:29:33 | 0:29:35 | |
Well, a new study published by Oakland University in Michigan | 0:29:35 | 0:29:39 | |
has shown that when cat owners smile, | 0:29:39 | 0:29:42 | |
their cats respond more positively and spend more time with them. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:45 | |
That's not bad for a solitary animal | 0:29:45 | 0:29:47 | |
that's been living alongside us for a relatively short time. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:51 | |
In our survey, | 0:29:52 | 0:29:53 | |
78% of you thought that dogs were the better communicators. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:57 | |
But the latest science shows that when it comes to communicating, | 0:29:58 | 0:30:02 | |
cats are catching up with canines. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:04 | |
So, we're calling it a draw. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:06 | |
This mutual understanding makes for a close relationship with our pets, | 0:30:10 | 0:30:15 | |
which can be a great source of stress relief. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:18 | |
So, that's what we're going to test next. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:20 | |
In our survey of those people that have both cats and dogs, | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
we asked them, which of the two gave them the greatest stress relief? | 0:30:28 | 0:30:32 | |
49% said it was the dogs | 0:30:32 | 0:30:35 | |
and 35% said it was the cats. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:37 | |
I'll say no more. I'll let the great British public | 0:30:37 | 0:30:40 | |
and the statistics do all the talking. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:42 | |
Yeah, but we wanted to take it a little bit further than that, | 0:30:42 | 0:30:44 | |
so we carried out a little competition to find out | 0:30:44 | 0:30:47 | |
which of the cat or dog are better at calming frayed nerves | 0:30:47 | 0:30:51 | |
and we called it, obviously, "Stress Factor". Sorry. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:55 | |
'Back at Lincoln University, a group of animal lovers have volunteered | 0:30:56 | 0:31:00 | |
'to take part in a scientific experiment with a terrifying twist. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:04 | |
'They know that cats and dogs are involved, | 0:31:05 | 0:31:08 | |
'but what they don't know | 0:31:08 | 0:31:09 | |
'is that we're going to put them in a very stressful situation.' | 0:31:09 | 0:31:13 | |
Our participants are going to come in here, the pet room, | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
and a third of them will be given a kitten. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:19 | |
A third of them will be given a puppy | 0:31:19 | 0:31:21 | |
and the last third, unfortunately, won't be given anything, | 0:31:21 | 0:31:23 | |
because we've got to have a control group. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:26 | |
They're then going to be asked to open the envelope over there, | 0:31:26 | 0:31:29 | |
which will reveal that they've got to sing in front of us - | 0:31:29 | 0:31:32 | |
and that should induce quite an amount of stress. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:36 | |
I'm going to leave Rio here with Emma | 0:31:36 | 0:31:38 | |
and I'm going to join the judging panel. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
There you go, my lovely. | 0:31:41 | 0:31:43 | |
-Hello. -Hi, Nigel. I'm Emma, this is George. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:47 | |
'The question is, will cats and dogs reduce our singers' stress response? | 0:31:47 | 0:31:52 | |
'And if so, which will reduce it more? | 0:31:52 | 0:31:55 | |
'First of all, we measure | 0:31:57 | 0:31:59 | |
'our volunteers' blood pressure and heart rate | 0:31:59 | 0:32:01 | |
'while they're in blissful ignorance of what is about to come. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:05 | |
'Then, they're left to play with their new friends. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:10 | |
'The cat lovers play with the kitten, | 0:32:10 | 0:32:13 | |
'while the dog lovers play with the puppy | 0:32:13 | 0:32:15 | |
'and our controls are left to chat with Emma.' | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
-I'm from Liverpool, originally. -Yeah, you said. -I probably said! | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
'It's then time to find out what they have to do next.' | 0:32:21 | 0:32:25 | |
-Er... -LAUGHTER | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
"In 60 seconds, you have to sing a song... | 0:32:34 | 0:32:37 | |
"..In front of a panel of people. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:39 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:32:39 | 0:32:41 | |
-"Your performance will be filmed... -"..For a TV documentary." | 0:32:41 | 0:32:44 | |
Are you kidding? | 0:32:44 | 0:32:45 | |
Oh, no, I can't... | 0:32:45 | 0:32:47 | |
Do I really have to sing? | 0:32:47 | 0:32:49 | |
'As the tension mounts, | 0:32:49 | 0:32:51 | |
'we take another blood pressure and heart rate reading. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:55 | |
'The discovery that they have to sing for us | 0:32:55 | 0:32:57 | |
'should make them both shoot up. | 0:32:57 | 0:32:59 | |
'But will having a kitten or a puppy reduce this stress response?' | 0:33:01 | 0:33:05 | |
In... OK. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:08 | |
Hi, there. Welcome to the Stress Factor. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:13 | |
'Finally, it's time to sing for our highly discerning panel. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:17 | |
'Dr Sophie Hall, Professor Daniel Mills and yours truly.' | 0:33:17 | 0:33:20 | |
Come in. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:22 | |
OK, are you ready? | 0:33:22 | 0:33:24 | |
# You ain't nothing but a hound dog | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
# Crying all the time... # | 0:33:27 | 0:33:29 | |
'A third of our participants faced the music alone...' | 0:33:29 | 0:33:33 | |
# They said you was high class... # | 0:33:33 | 0:33:35 | |
'..while the others have a kitten or a puppy for moral support. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:38 | |
# Well, that was just a lie. # | 0:33:38 | 0:33:40 | |
# Pussy cat, pussy cat... | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
# I love you. Yes... | 0:33:43 | 0:33:45 | |
# Yes, I do... # | 0:33:45 | 0:33:48 | |
-# You ain't nothing but a hound dog... # -Cat's running away. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:50 | |
# Crying all the time... | 0:33:50 | 0:33:52 | |
# You ain't never caught a rabbit | 0:33:52 | 0:33:54 | |
# You ain't no friend of mine. # | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
Aha-huh! | 0:33:57 | 0:33:58 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:33:58 | 0:34:00 | |
That looked really stressful, I've got to say - very, very stressful. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:08 | |
It was, but the most important thing now is to find out | 0:34:08 | 0:34:10 | |
how the cat or the dog affected those stress levels. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:14 | |
Let's talk about the control group first. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:17 | |
This is our control group, before they knew about the task. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:19 | |
-OK. -So then, this is what happened when they were told about the task. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:24 | |
So, you can see an increase of about 14% in heart rate | 0:34:24 | 0:34:28 | |
and an increase of about 9% in blood pressure. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:30 | |
I'm not surprised. That would have been my idea of hell. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:33 | |
I think my heart would have leapt out of my chest, not just gone up by 14%. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:36 | |
You should have gotten Chris to do it. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:38 | |
You really missed a trick there. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:39 | |
So then, let's take a look at when they were with a puppy. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:43 | |
So, at this point, they didn't know what the task was going to be | 0:34:43 | 0:34:46 | |
and then they find out about the task | 0:34:46 | 0:34:49 | |
and we have an increase of nearly 7% in heart rate - | 0:34:49 | 0:34:52 | |
half as much as what the control group is. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:54 | |
And then, a decrease in blood pressure by nearly 6%. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:58 | |
Don't look at me like that! | 0:34:58 | 0:35:00 | |
-6% decrease! What about that? In the presence of a puppy. -OK... | 0:35:00 | 0:35:03 | |
I'm not surprised, my money was on the puppy. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:05 | |
-But let's talk about the kitten now. -Kittens, right. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:08 | |
-So, again, this is before they knew about the task... -Yes. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:11 | |
And then, they find out about the task | 0:35:11 | 0:35:13 | |
and about the same as the puppies. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:15 | |
-About the same, about the same? -About the same, look. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
No, 2.2 versus 5.7. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:21 | |
Yes, but is that statistically significant? | 0:35:21 | 0:35:23 | |
I'm afraid not, based on the sample size. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
There you go. There you go! | 0:35:26 | 0:35:27 | |
So, our survey said that 49% of people thought | 0:35:27 | 0:35:30 | |
dogs would be better at reducing stress levels, | 0:35:30 | 0:35:32 | |
but this shows that cats and dogs | 0:35:32 | 0:35:34 | |
are pretty much the same at doing that. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:37 | |
Yes, doesn't seem to be much difference. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:39 | |
Both have a beneficial effect. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:40 | |
And it also ties in with other research that suggests that | 0:35:40 | 0:35:43 | |
people who have cats and dogs suffer less from cardiovascular disease. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:46 | |
So, in the long term, it's good for those pet owners | 0:35:46 | 0:35:50 | |
when it comes to reducing stress. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:52 | |
'So, cats and dogs are both fantastic stress busters.' | 0:35:52 | 0:35:56 | |
That's one more point each. | 0:35:56 | 0:35:58 | |
But are we always good for them? | 0:35:58 | 0:36:00 | |
Next, we're going to test just how independent our pets are. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:03 | |
'I want to know if a dog's eagerness to please us | 0:36:09 | 0:36:11 | |
'is always a good thing, so I went to Lincoln University to find out.' | 0:36:11 | 0:36:15 | |
Domestication seems to have shaped an already very strong tendency | 0:36:17 | 0:36:21 | |
in dogs to use social cues and it's made for amenable and devoted pets. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:27 | |
But it also means that, at times, | 0:36:27 | 0:36:29 | |
dogs can be a little bit too dependent on us, | 0:36:29 | 0:36:32 | |
even if the outcome isn't beneficial to them. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:35 | |
And that's what we're going to be testing out | 0:36:35 | 0:36:37 | |
with Professor Daniel Mills and his team today. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:39 | |
Are you ready, Maya? You ready? Come on. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:41 | |
Daniel, what's going on in this room today? | 0:36:44 | 0:36:46 | |
It's a very simple little set-up. | 0:36:46 | 0:36:48 | |
All we do is we have two plates and one of them's | 0:36:48 | 0:36:51 | |
got a handful of food and the other one's just got one piece of food. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:54 | |
But the person makes a real fuss over the one piece of food | 0:36:54 | 0:36:57 | |
and then we see whether or not the cat or the dog | 0:36:57 | 0:37:00 | |
prefers to go where the food is or whether they want to go | 0:37:00 | 0:37:03 | |
where the owner's making a fuss. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:04 | |
Well, I'd imagine, both animals, as they're food motivated, | 0:37:04 | 0:37:07 | |
would go for the plate with all the food. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:10 | |
You might imagine that, but let's wait and see. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:12 | |
'The dogs are up first.' | 0:37:12 | 0:37:14 | |
Here we go. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:17 | |
Yes! | 0:37:20 | 0:37:21 | |
Next, who's ready to go? | 0:37:23 | 0:37:24 | |
'They go to the plate with less food just because their owner | 0:37:24 | 0:37:27 | |
'is paying attention to it. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
'They're so influenced by us that it overrides their own self-interest.' | 0:37:30 | 0:37:34 | |
They just go for whatever the owner's interested in. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:39 | |
Mmm! Mmm! | 0:37:39 | 0:37:42 | |
There we go, see? | 0:37:42 | 0:37:43 | |
Well, that was a clear case, wasn't it? | 0:37:43 | 0:37:45 | |
All the dogs went straight for the owner. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:47 | |
-Yep. -And I am quite surprised at that | 0:37:47 | 0:37:49 | |
because dogs will eat constantly unless they're stopped. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:53 | |
Oh, yeah, a lot of the dogs are scavengers, | 0:37:53 | 0:37:55 | |
but from a dog's point of view, if you're interested in it, | 0:37:55 | 0:37:58 | |
I'm interested in it and that's a real feature of dogs. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:00 | |
If we're paying attention to something, | 0:38:00 | 0:38:02 | |
that becomes the most important thing in the world to them. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:05 | |
You know, the common mistake is somebody says to their dog, | 0:38:05 | 0:38:08 | |
"Leave that thing alone!" And, of course, | 0:38:08 | 0:38:09 | |
they're bringing attention to it. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:11 | |
So, the dog says, "Oh, I'd better go and investigate that." | 0:38:11 | 0:38:14 | |
So we've got to be very wary about what | 0:38:14 | 0:38:16 | |
we might inadvertently draw their attention to. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:18 | |
Absolutely, yeah. | 0:38:18 | 0:38:19 | |
OK. I'm really curious to see what the cats do now. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:22 | |
Yeah, I am too cos we've done some sort of preliminary work, | 0:38:22 | 0:38:25 | |
but we've never done exactly this study. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:27 | |
-So, we don't know how it's going to go. So, let's see. -OK. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:30 | |
There we go. Ignores the owner, goes for the food. | 0:38:35 | 0:38:38 | |
'Despite their owner's efforts, the cats go for the plate | 0:38:38 | 0:38:41 | |
'with more food.' | 0:38:41 | 0:38:42 | |
That was utterly fascinating. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:00 | |
What an eye-opener. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:01 | |
Such different behaviour between these two species. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:04 | |
Yeah, yeah, really neat, you know. | 0:39:04 | 0:39:06 | |
The cat makes the decision and says, | 0:39:06 | 0:39:07 | |
"Actually, I'll look after myself first, | 0:39:07 | 0:39:09 | |
"I'll go for the food and yeah, I like my owner, | 0:39:09 | 0:39:13 | |
"but actually there's food there - that's my priority." | 0:39:13 | 0:39:15 | |
So, does that boil down to the fact that it's a solitary animal that was | 0:39:15 | 0:39:19 | |
pretty much left to its own devices during the domestication process? | 0:39:19 | 0:39:23 | |
Very different to how dogs are domesticated. | 0:39:23 | 0:39:25 | |
Yeah. So, we've bred dogs to really focus on us and that's what... | 0:39:25 | 0:39:29 | |
Because we've got to work with them in a lot of situations, | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
but the downside is that can lead them into trouble. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:35 | |
Whereas, in the cats, when we domesticated them, | 0:39:35 | 0:39:37 | |
they really came in from the cold to go and hunt for the rats and mice | 0:39:37 | 0:39:40 | |
and we don't tell them which rat or mouse we want killed. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
We just want them out of the grain store. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:44 | |
And as a result, they think for themselves and that, for me, | 0:39:44 | 0:39:48 | |
makes for a really interesting pet. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:50 | |
So, a dog's ability to read and obey our signals | 0:39:53 | 0:39:56 | |
can be counterproductive at times. | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
I know, I know, but the thing is we're talking about petability here | 0:39:58 | 0:40:02 | |
and what this shows is that dogs have evolved to be closer to humans. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
So, in my mind, that makes them the better pet. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:08 | |
Yes, but there is a potential downside. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:11 | |
'You see, dogs' closeness to us can make them prone | 0:40:11 | 0:40:14 | |
'to suffering separation anxiety. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:17 | |
'So, I decided to investigate this with my own dogs.' | 0:40:17 | 0:40:21 | |
Meet Itchy and Scratchy, my two black poodles. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:24 | |
They're 12 and a half years old now, | 0:40:24 | 0:40:26 | |
though I've had them since they were little six-week-old puppies | 0:40:26 | 0:40:31 | |
and you know, I'm not ashamed to say to you that | 0:40:31 | 0:40:36 | |
I love these dogs as much as I love my stepdaughter or my partner. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:39 | |
They're a MASSIVE part of my life. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:41 | |
I wouldn't normally leave them on their own, but today, | 0:40:43 | 0:40:45 | |
in the interest of science, that's exactly what I am going to do. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:49 | |
Cos I want to see if they miss me as much as I miss them. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:54 | |
Come on, boys. Come on. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:56 | |
While I've been out with the poods, Professor Daniel Mills | 0:40:59 | 0:41:03 | |
has been setting up cameras all around my house, | 0:41:03 | 0:41:05 | |
so we can find out if Itchy and Scratchy | 0:41:05 | 0:41:08 | |
suffer from separation anxiety. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:10 | |
-Hello, Dan. How are you? -Good to see you. -All right? | 0:41:10 | 0:41:14 | |
'We're also going to take some physiological measures | 0:41:14 | 0:41:16 | |
'to quantify their stress levels. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:19 | |
'First, we collect some saliva, | 0:41:20 | 0:41:22 | |
'so we can measure the levels of the stress hormone - cortisol. | 0:41:22 | 0:41:25 | |
'Next, we measure their ear temperature, | 0:41:27 | 0:41:30 | |
'which Daniel's latest research shows is an indicator of stress.' | 0:41:30 | 0:41:35 | |
When they're happy, then often the left ear seems to be warmer | 0:41:35 | 0:41:37 | |
than the right ear, and you can see that the left ear's | 0:41:37 | 0:41:40 | |
actually about a degree higher than the right ear at the moment. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:43 | |
Good lad. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:44 | |
-Happy dogs at the moment. -Happy dogs. | 0:41:44 | 0:41:46 | |
'Lastly, we're putting on heart rate monitors | 0:41:47 | 0:41:50 | |
'to measure their pulse. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:52 | |
'We want to see if all of these measures of stress increase | 0:41:52 | 0:41:56 | |
'when I leave the house. | 0:41:56 | 0:41:58 | |
'So, now it's time for me to pretend to pack up and go.' | 0:41:58 | 0:42:01 | |
This is the bit they really don't like. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:05 | |
Chris Packham packing. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:07 | |
So, I'll just make sure that they see that I've got | 0:42:08 | 0:42:11 | |
all my normal things. There's my wash bag, look at that. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:14 | |
You know that when the binoculars go, | 0:42:14 | 0:42:17 | |
the man who looks at birds is going. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:19 | |
'The dogs might look calm here, but their hearts are racing | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
'at over 225 beats a minute - | 0:42:22 | 0:42:26 | |
'a sure sign that they're stressed by the impending separation.' | 0:42:26 | 0:42:29 | |
Sorry, boys. I know, I know. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:35 | |
This is where it really sinks in. See you later. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:38 | |
See you later and you. See you later, too. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:41 | |
Yeah. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:42 | |
Look at the looks on their faces. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:47 | |
All right, let's get this over quick. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:48 | |
OK, you guys better step out and I'll lock up. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:52 | |
OK. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:53 | |
Sorry, boys. | 0:42:54 | 0:42:55 | |
Here we are. | 0:42:58 | 0:42:59 | |
Oh, boys. No, no, no, you can't come. You can't come. | 0:43:00 | 0:43:03 | |
You can't come, seriously. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:05 | |
THEY WHINE | 0:43:05 | 0:43:07 | |
I feel mean, I feel mean. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:13 | |
Oh, dear. | 0:43:13 | 0:43:15 | |
There's a good scientific reason for this, of course. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:18 | |
See you, boys, goodbye! | 0:43:18 | 0:43:20 | |
When I shut the door, their heart rate spikes again. | 0:43:22 | 0:43:25 | |
'I join Daniel to watch them on the monitor. | 0:43:26 | 0:43:29 | |
'I've never actually seen what happens after I've gone, | 0:43:29 | 0:43:32 | |
'so I am genuinely curious... | 0:43:32 | 0:43:34 | |
'but worried.' | 0:43:34 | 0:43:35 | |
I feel really bad, honestly. | 0:43:44 | 0:43:46 | |
This seems terrible to me. Absolutely terrible. | 0:43:49 | 0:43:53 | |
Why is it, Dan, that they get so upset like this? | 0:43:53 | 0:43:56 | |
It can be that they're just frustrated | 0:43:56 | 0:43:58 | |
and they want to get out, but we're not seeing that here. | 0:43:58 | 0:44:02 | |
And the other option is that it's the relationship with you | 0:44:02 | 0:44:04 | |
and they're so dependent on you for their safety and security, | 0:44:04 | 0:44:07 | |
when you go it's really hard. | 0:44:07 | 0:44:09 | |
It's like a mother leaving her baby, to be honest, and | 0:44:09 | 0:44:11 | |
-from that baby's point of view, it's a life-and-death situation. -Yeah. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:15 | |
I mean, I don't leave them often. | 0:44:17 | 0:44:18 | |
I normally leave them with a lady that looks after then. | 0:44:18 | 0:44:21 | |
So, this situation is rare. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:23 | |
I knew it would be bad. I didn't think it would be quite this bad, | 0:44:23 | 0:44:26 | |
-to be quite honest with you. -Yeah, I'm... | 0:44:26 | 0:44:28 | |
I can assure you, I've seen a lot worse than this. | 0:44:28 | 0:44:30 | |
THEY WHINE | 0:44:30 | 0:44:32 | |
-So, now I should go back in. -Yep. | 0:44:35 | 0:44:37 | |
-See you in a minute. -OK. | 0:44:37 | 0:44:39 | |
'It's now been half an hour. | 0:44:40 | 0:44:42 | |
'Time to get the rest of the data.' | 0:44:42 | 0:44:45 | |
Boys! | 0:44:45 | 0:44:46 | |
THEY BARK Boys! | 0:44:49 | 0:44:51 | |
Hello, boys. Hello! | 0:44:51 | 0:44:54 | |
Oh, I'm a terrible person! | 0:44:54 | 0:44:55 | |
Come on in. | 0:44:55 | 0:44:57 | |
I know. Oh, I know, I know, I know. | 0:44:57 | 0:44:59 | |
'I quickly take another saliva sample to see | 0:44:59 | 0:45:02 | |
'if being left alone by me has made the cortisol go up...' | 0:45:02 | 0:45:05 | |
Good boy. | 0:45:05 | 0:45:06 | |
'and we measure their ear temperate again too.' | 0:45:06 | 0:45:08 | |
I know. What a rotten person I was. I was pretending. | 0:45:08 | 0:45:13 | |
I wasn't even gone. I was just outside! | 0:45:13 | 0:45:15 | |
Ha-ha! But we've collected loads of data, yes. | 0:45:15 | 0:45:19 | |
Back at the clinic, it's now been analysed. | 0:45:19 | 0:45:23 | |
I've got to say, I always knew that Itchy and Scratchy got stressed | 0:45:23 | 0:45:27 | |
when I left, but I didn't think it would be THAT bad. | 0:45:27 | 0:45:29 | |
It was terrible. | 0:45:29 | 0:45:30 | |
I felt terrible and, to that end, I have honestly only left them | 0:45:30 | 0:45:34 | |
on their own twice since that. | 0:45:34 | 0:45:37 | |
I'll do everything I can to minimise it. | 0:45:37 | 0:45:39 | |
But I've got to say, the scientist in me still wants to know | 0:45:39 | 0:45:42 | |
the results and Butty Villiers here, | 0:45:42 | 0:45:45 | |
head of the Path Lab, has got the cortisol results. | 0:45:45 | 0:45:48 | |
Yes, Chris. Well, I'm afraid for Itchy we didn't get enough saliva, | 0:45:48 | 0:45:52 | |
but for Scratchy we have got some results. | 0:45:52 | 0:45:54 | |
So this here is the level before the separation at 64 | 0:45:54 | 0:45:57 | |
and then afterwards when you came back and got the second sample, | 0:45:57 | 0:46:00 | |
it went up to 166 and that is a significant increase. | 0:46:00 | 0:46:04 | |
There is a bit of variation in dogs throughout the day, but not | 0:46:04 | 0:46:07 | |
this much and so that really does correspond to a stress response. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:10 | |
-That's down to stress? -Yes, exactly, yes. | 0:46:10 | 0:46:12 | |
-What about the ears? We were looking at those as well. -Yes. | 0:46:12 | 0:46:14 | |
We found that after separation, the temperature in the right ear | 0:46:14 | 0:46:17 | |
was higher than the left ear and the right side of the brain | 0:46:17 | 0:46:20 | |
is where you have more activity in negative emotional states and, | 0:46:20 | 0:46:24 | |
according to Daniel's latest ongoing work, it's a sign of distress. | 0:46:24 | 0:46:27 | |
-So that hot ear... -Yes. | 0:46:27 | 0:46:29 | |
-Was showing mental distress? -Indeed it was. | 0:46:29 | 0:46:31 | |
So we've got metabolic and mental distress in my poodles | 0:46:31 | 0:46:34 | |
-when I've gone out the door. -Yes. | 0:46:34 | 0:46:36 | |
Not at all happy about this, but then again, | 0:46:36 | 0:46:38 | |
I shouldn't be surprised really because studies have shown that | 0:46:38 | 0:46:41 | |
up to 70% of dogs at some point in their lives | 0:46:41 | 0:46:45 | |
show separation anxiety. | 0:46:45 | 0:46:48 | |
I have to say, although I'm batting for the dogs here, | 0:46:48 | 0:46:51 | |
this is a bit of a downside. | 0:46:51 | 0:46:52 | |
They're so dependent upon us that sometimes we upset them. | 0:46:52 | 0:46:57 | |
The vast majority of people want to give their pets | 0:46:57 | 0:47:00 | |
as much love and care as possible. | 0:47:00 | 0:47:03 | |
But most dogs demand almost the same amount of attention | 0:47:03 | 0:47:06 | |
as a small child does | 0:47:06 | 0:47:08 | |
and cats are just not as demanding | 0:47:08 | 0:47:11 | |
and that can make them much easier pets to keep. | 0:47:11 | 0:47:14 | |
But what do cats get up to when they're alone? | 0:47:14 | 0:47:17 | |
Bob lives in Bristol with his owner, Karen, who works full time. | 0:47:19 | 0:47:23 | |
But when Karen goes out, Bob isn't pining at home. | 0:47:23 | 0:47:27 | |
Like many cats, he has his own independent life. | 0:47:27 | 0:47:29 | |
So Karen, tell me when you first got Bob? | 0:47:31 | 0:47:34 | |
Bob moved in about four years ago. | 0:47:34 | 0:47:36 | |
I came home one day and he was standing in the kitchen | 0:47:36 | 0:47:38 | |
and he just never left. That was it. | 0:47:38 | 0:47:40 | |
So you didn't acquire Bob, Bob acquired you. | 0:47:40 | 0:47:43 | |
Bob acquired me. That's Bob's style. | 0:47:43 | 0:47:46 | |
Bob chooses who he wants to live with. | 0:47:46 | 0:47:48 | |
How much do you know about what Bob gets up to when you're at work? | 0:47:48 | 0:47:52 | |
I think he wanders a lot round Bristol. | 0:47:52 | 0:47:54 | |
But it's kind of OK because Bob's character suits my lifestyle. | 0:47:54 | 0:47:58 | |
So I'll go out during the day and Bob goes out during the day and I'll | 0:47:58 | 0:48:01 | |
come home at night and I know that he's been completely entertained, | 0:48:01 | 0:48:04 | |
that he'll have probably gone into half a dozen houses. | 0:48:04 | 0:48:08 | |
He pimps his way around Bristol. | 0:48:08 | 0:48:10 | |
I mean it's like... It is like having a philandering husband. | 0:48:10 | 0:48:14 | |
He... He's here most of the time, but I know I'm not exclusive. | 0:48:14 | 0:48:18 | |
And actually that ... I'm cool with that. That's fine. | 0:48:18 | 0:48:21 | |
I wouldn't be cool if it were the husband. | 0:48:21 | 0:48:24 | |
OK, Karen. What we're going to do is attach this little tracker | 0:48:24 | 0:48:27 | |
and cat camera to Bob | 0:48:27 | 0:48:30 | |
so we can see exactly where he wanders to today. | 0:48:30 | 0:48:34 | |
You're all set, Bob. | 0:48:35 | 0:48:37 | |
While Karen goes off to work, Bob heads out on his daily rounds. | 0:48:39 | 0:48:42 | |
Let's see what he gets up to. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:44 | |
Right then, our trusty tracker and cat cam should tell us | 0:49:01 | 0:49:04 | |
a lot more about Bob's social life. | 0:49:04 | 0:49:06 | |
But I've also heard of a couple of places nearby | 0:49:06 | 0:49:09 | |
that Bob does visit so I'm going to check them out now. | 0:49:09 | 0:49:12 | |
-Hi. -Hi. | 0:49:19 | 0:49:20 | |
-Are you Kate? -Yes. -I'm Liz. -Hi Liz. | 0:49:20 | 0:49:22 | |
-Nice to meet you. How are you? -Good. | 0:49:22 | 0:49:24 | |
-You know I'm here to ask you about Bob. -Yes, Bob. -Bob the cat. | 0:49:24 | 0:49:27 | |
I'm beginning to understand that he visits a lot of people around here. | 0:49:27 | 0:49:30 | |
Well, apparently but we didn't know that | 0:49:30 | 0:49:32 | |
when we thought we'd got a new cat. | 0:49:32 | 0:49:35 | |
So he visits you fairly regularly, then? | 0:49:35 | 0:49:38 | |
Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, he thinks he lives here. | 0:49:38 | 0:49:41 | |
-Right. -And I thought he did. | 0:49:41 | 0:49:43 | |
-LAUGHS -Till I found out. | 0:49:43 | 0:49:45 | |
That he only lives with you for a short amount of time | 0:49:45 | 0:49:48 | |
and he lives in other places along the time too. | 0:49:48 | 0:49:50 | |
He's a tart. | 0:49:50 | 0:49:51 | |
I don't know how he fitted us all in now I know what he's been up to. | 0:49:52 | 0:49:55 | |
Like many cats, Bob seems to have | 0:49:57 | 0:50:00 | |
adopted more than one home | 0:50:00 | 0:50:01 | |
and he comes and goes between them as he pleases. | 0:50:01 | 0:50:05 | |
He's also been known to visit the local school, Clifton College, | 0:50:05 | 0:50:09 | |
which is over a mile away. | 0:50:09 | 0:50:11 | |
-So I believe you've had a feline visitor to the college. -Yeah. | 0:50:11 | 0:50:15 | |
A couple of years ago we had a cat. | 0:50:15 | 0:50:17 | |
In fact, he followed me down this corridor and he... | 0:50:17 | 0:50:19 | |
Just on the left here is a history classroom | 0:50:19 | 0:50:22 | |
and he went into a lesson there. | 0:50:22 | 0:50:24 | |
The teacher obviously said, you know, "Get out, we don't want cats in here." | 0:50:24 | 0:50:27 | |
So he followed me back and my office is just through that door, | 0:50:27 | 0:50:30 | |
-just to the right there and he came in. I bought a photo to show you. -Aw... | 0:50:30 | 0:50:33 | |
He's obviously the most sociable cat in Clifton. | 0:50:33 | 0:50:36 | |
-SHE LAUGHS -Clearly. | 0:50:36 | 0:50:37 | |
But today Bob is sticking closer to home. | 0:50:39 | 0:50:42 | |
So I'm dropping in on another neighbour he regularly visits. | 0:50:42 | 0:50:45 | |
-Hello. -Hi. -Are you Andrea? -Yes. | 0:50:48 | 0:50:50 | |
-I'm Liz, nice to meet you. -Oh, hello, Liz. | 0:50:50 | 0:50:52 | |
I hear that Bob sometimes comes to visit you. | 0:50:52 | 0:50:54 | |
-Can we have a chat about that for a quick second? -He does. | 0:50:54 | 0:50:57 | |
-He's actually here at the moment. -Is he here? -Yes. | 0:50:57 | 0:50:59 | |
-Amazing. Can I have a look? -Do, yes. -That's such good news. | 0:50:59 | 0:51:03 | |
All right, sweetheart. | 0:51:03 | 0:51:05 | |
Where did you first meet him? | 0:51:05 | 0:51:06 | |
Well, I was sitting here... | 0:51:06 | 0:51:09 | |
in the lounge with the back door open | 0:51:09 | 0:51:11 | |
and he suddenly jumped up on my knee out of nowhere... | 0:51:11 | 0:51:15 | |
LIZ CHUCKLES | 0:51:15 | 0:51:17 | |
..and made himself comfortable | 0:51:17 | 0:51:19 | |
and sat there as if he had been here forever. | 0:51:19 | 0:51:22 | |
He kept coming back | 0:51:22 | 0:51:24 | |
and made himself a part of my life, really, | 0:51:24 | 0:51:28 | |
which was very nice because it was lovely to have the cat | 0:51:28 | 0:51:31 | |
but not the responsibility. | 0:51:31 | 0:51:33 | |
So when it comes to independence, cats beat dogs by leaps and bounds. | 0:51:35 | 0:51:40 | |
It's now three-all. | 0:51:40 | 0:51:43 | |
Which brings us to the final round. | 0:51:43 | 0:51:45 | |
Now they say that love makes the world go round, | 0:51:45 | 0:51:48 | |
but do our beloved pets actually love US? | 0:51:48 | 0:51:54 | |
I can tell you one thing, Liz, I'm pretty convinced... | 0:51:58 | 0:52:00 | |
I know it's going to sound subjective, that my dogs love me | 0:52:00 | 0:52:04 | |
as much as I love them | 0:52:04 | 0:52:06 | |
and I just can't see that coming from a cat. | 0:52:06 | 0:52:09 | |
Aren't they just too independent for that? | 0:52:09 | 0:52:11 | |
Well, cats behave in fundamentally different ways to dogs, | 0:52:11 | 0:52:14 | |
but does that mean they don't love us? | 0:52:14 | 0:52:16 | |
All you cat owners out there I'm sure will swear that your cats love you. | 0:52:16 | 0:52:20 | |
But we can't ask our cats or indeed our dogs, | 0:52:20 | 0:52:23 | |
-so we've got to turn to science to get some answers. -Mmm. | 0:52:23 | 0:52:26 | |
In California, we commissioned the world's first scientific study | 0:52:27 | 0:52:31 | |
to see if cats can love their owners. | 0:52:31 | 0:52:34 | |
Professor Paul Zak, from Claremont Graduate University, | 0:52:36 | 0:52:39 | |
is known as the "love doctor". | 0:52:39 | 0:52:41 | |
He's an expert on the biochemistry that underlies bonding in mammals. | 0:52:41 | 0:52:45 | |
All mammals make a chemical in their brains called oxytocin | 0:52:45 | 0:52:49 | |
and it helps them form social bonds. | 0:52:49 | 0:52:51 | |
These include bonds between mothers and offspring | 0:52:51 | 0:52:55 | |
and between males and females. | 0:52:55 | 0:52:57 | |
It's released during birth, breast-feeding and sex. | 0:52:57 | 0:53:01 | |
Oxytocin really is the gold standard to assess | 0:53:01 | 0:53:05 | |
if two creatures love each other. | 0:53:05 | 0:53:08 | |
Paul is testing cats and dogs to see if being with their owners | 0:53:10 | 0:53:14 | |
affects their oxytocin levels. | 0:53:14 | 0:53:16 | |
He's recruited cat and dog owners who are all very much in love | 0:53:19 | 0:53:24 | |
with their pets and believe their pets love them back. | 0:53:24 | 0:53:26 | |
I feel like we have an emotional connection. I do. | 0:53:28 | 0:53:30 | |
I think that she definitely loves me out of the family. | 0:53:30 | 0:53:33 | |
These dogs absolutely do love me. | 0:53:33 | 0:53:36 | |
These dogs are like the children that I never had. | 0:53:36 | 0:53:38 | |
She likes me. | 0:53:38 | 0:53:41 | |
She loves Stuart and she has picked him as her person. | 0:53:41 | 0:53:45 | |
I think he loves us a lot and he's attached to us. | 0:53:45 | 0:53:48 | |
Currently it's a love-hate relationship. | 0:53:48 | 0:53:52 | |
I think they like us. What do you think? Do you like me, dog? | 0:53:52 | 0:53:56 | |
Yeah, you do? OK. | 0:53:56 | 0:53:58 | |
A couple of small-scale studies have shown that when owners interact | 0:53:59 | 0:54:02 | |
with their dogs, | 0:54:02 | 0:54:04 | |
the human and the dog appear to release oxytocin. | 0:54:04 | 0:54:07 | |
Cats and oxytocin release have never been studied | 0:54:07 | 0:54:10 | |
so we designed an experiment to test cats versus dogs. | 0:54:10 | 0:54:15 | |
Where's your puppy? | 0:54:15 | 0:54:16 | |
Paul and vet Zara get a baseline measurement of the animal's oxytocin levels. | 0:54:16 | 0:54:21 | |
We'll put them in a room with their owners. | 0:54:23 | 0:54:24 | |
Let's go see John. | 0:54:24 | 0:54:26 | |
Allow them to play in any way that they normally do. | 0:54:26 | 0:54:29 | |
The owners now have ten minutes to stroke and make a fuss over their beloved pets. | 0:54:29 | 0:54:33 | |
They said you're a good boy. | 0:54:33 | 0:54:36 | |
After which it's time to measure their oxytocin levels again. | 0:54:36 | 0:54:39 | |
We'll take another sample from the animal | 0:54:39 | 0:54:41 | |
and we'll look at the change from baseline on oxytocin. | 0:54:41 | 0:54:45 | |
Paul prepares the samples to be sent off to the lab for analysis. | 0:54:45 | 0:54:49 | |
So this is the plasma, oxytocin lives in here | 0:54:49 | 0:54:53 | |
and in two weeks after we analyse it, we'll find out | 0:54:53 | 0:54:56 | |
how much oxytocin went up after this animal played with its owner | 0:54:56 | 0:55:00 | |
and that will tell us how much dogs and cats love their owners. | 0:55:00 | 0:55:03 | |
What can I say, this is the moment of truth and I'm very pleased | 0:55:08 | 0:55:11 | |
to say that Paul Zak has come all the way from California. | 0:55:11 | 0:55:14 | |
-Thanks for coming over. -Right. | 0:55:14 | 0:55:15 | |
-I'm excited about this. I know you are too. -OK. | 0:55:15 | 0:55:18 | |
-Will we start with dogs? -Let's start with dogs. | 0:55:18 | 0:55:20 | |
In our survey we asked our dog and cat owners | 0:55:20 | 0:55:23 | |
whether they thought that their dogs loved them or not. | 0:55:23 | 0:55:26 | |
Now 3% said no, | 0:55:26 | 0:55:28 | |
and a whopping 94% of people, like myself, | 0:55:28 | 0:55:32 | |
are convinced that their dogs love them. | 0:55:32 | 0:55:34 | |
But Paul, what did the oxytocin tell us? | 0:55:34 | 0:55:37 | |
So the science supports the survey. It does? | 0:55:37 | 0:55:40 | |
We found an average increase in oxytocin | 0:55:40 | 0:55:43 | |
when dogs played with their owners of 57.2%. | 0:55:43 | 0:55:46 | |
Does that mean that the dogs genuinely love us? | 0:55:46 | 0:55:50 | |
Probably. We really don't know what love feels like to dogs. | 0:55:50 | 0:55:54 | |
But at least the physiology that mammals have for love | 0:55:54 | 0:55:57 | |
is being stimulated when these dogs play with their owners. | 0:55:57 | 0:56:00 | |
So we have pretty good evidence that dogs actually love their humans. | 0:56:00 | 0:56:03 | |
-What about that? Dogs love us. -Your dogs love you, Chris. | 0:56:03 | 0:56:06 | |
Oh, well, I... I knew. | 0:56:06 | 0:56:08 | |
Enough about you. It's not all about you. | 0:56:08 | 0:56:11 | |
-Can we... -You can try and trump it, if you like. | 0:56:11 | 0:56:13 | |
Could we now talk about the cats? | 0:56:13 | 0:56:16 | |
Our survey said that | 0:56:16 | 0:56:17 | |
22% of you thought, | 0:56:17 | 0:56:19 | |
"No, my cat doesn't love me." | 0:56:19 | 0:56:21 | |
66% of you, though, thought that your cats did indeed love you. | 0:56:21 | 0:56:25 | |
Paul, what did you get with your oxytocin results? | 0:56:25 | 0:56:27 | |
-So this is a first scientific study... -Ever? | 0:56:27 | 0:56:30 | |
..of oxytocin in cats. | 0:56:30 | 0:56:32 | |
So very exciting. | 0:56:32 | 0:56:33 | |
-Only ten cats, so the results are preliminary. -Mm-hm. | 0:56:33 | 0:56:36 | |
We find an average increase in oxytocin of 12%. | 0:56:36 | 0:56:39 | |
OK, so that's an increase. I know what you're going to say. | 0:56:39 | 0:56:43 | |
They don't love their owners as much as dogs but they DO love them. | 0:56:43 | 0:56:46 | |
Hang on a second. | 0:56:46 | 0:56:48 | |
Can we actually say that just because the increase in oxytocin isn't quite as high | 0:56:48 | 0:56:51 | |
as that in dogs, that they don't love their owners as much? | 0:56:51 | 0:56:55 | |
It's a very small sample so it's got to be replicated. | 0:56:55 | 0:56:58 | |
In addition, cats are territorial and we put them | 0:56:58 | 0:57:01 | |
in my laboratory, which is an unusual setting for them. | 0:57:01 | 0:57:03 | |
But they produced oxytocin. | 0:57:03 | 0:57:05 | |
That's really quite extraordinary. | 0:57:05 | 0:57:08 | |
That's right. The first time we've seen this in science. | 0:57:08 | 0:57:10 | |
So it means, at least for now, cats at least, some of the time, | 0:57:10 | 0:57:14 | |
seem to really bond to their owners. | 0:57:14 | 0:57:15 | |
Well, thank you so much. Fascinating stuff. | 0:57:15 | 0:57:17 | |
It's remarkable. Thank you. | 0:57:17 | 0:57:19 | |
I don't know about you but that, for me, confirms that | 0:57:19 | 0:57:21 | |
cats are capable of forming very strong bonds with their owners. | 0:57:21 | 0:57:25 | |
That's pretty extraordinary. | 0:57:25 | 0:57:26 | |
It's pretty extraordinary but... | 0:57:26 | 0:57:28 | |
-Dogs love us more. -Stop it. | 0:57:28 | 0:57:30 | |
Just stop it. | 0:57:30 | 0:57:32 | |
Yes, the score's 4-3, | 0:57:35 | 0:57:37 | |
making dogs our overall champions tonight. | 0:57:37 | 0:57:41 | |
And there you have it. | 0:57:41 | 0:57:42 | |
Two shows, two pets and a lot of new science. | 0:57:42 | 0:57:47 | |
Tonight the dogs have romped ahead. | 0:57:47 | 0:57:49 | |
They really are man's best friend. | 0:57:49 | 0:57:53 | |
But last time, cats reached new heights with their superior | 0:57:53 | 0:57:57 | |
senses and athletic abilities. | 0:57:57 | 0:57:59 | |
When all's said and done, | 0:57:59 | 0:58:01 | |
they're both remarkable animals | 0:58:01 | 0:58:03 | |
and which would make the best pet | 0:58:03 | 0:58:04 | |
is, in fact, not down to them, it's down to you. | 0:58:04 | 0:58:07 | |
It's down to your personality, your lifestyle. | 0:58:07 | 0:58:10 | |
But one thing's for sure, the more you put into that pet, | 0:58:10 | 0:58:13 | |
the more you love it, the greater chance there is you'll find | 0:58:13 | 0:58:16 | |
yourself the perfect friend, the perfect companion. | 0:58:16 | 0:58:19 | |
And many happy, stress-busted years with a loving pet. | 0:58:19 | 0:58:23 | |
I say get one of each, actually. | 0:58:23 | 0:58:25 | |
-One of each?! -Yeah. | 0:58:25 | 0:58:26 | |
-I'm not sure about that. -Goodbye. -Bye. | 0:58:26 | 0:58:29 |