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This is Israel's southern border with Egypt. | 0:00:03 | 0:00:06 | |
Today a seven-metre-high fence separates the two countries | 0:00:06 | 0:00:11 | |
along 150 miles of the Sinai Desert. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:13 | |
Over the last two years, jihadists have launched several attacks from | 0:00:16 | 0:00:20 | |
across the Egyptian border, killing Israeli civilians and soldiers. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:25 | |
Israel's once-peaceful southern border has turned hot. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:30 | |
These attacks were the violent extreme of a broader radical | 0:00:33 | 0:00:37 | |
Islamist ideology, that swept through the region in the wake | 0:00:37 | 0:00:41 | |
of the Arab Spring. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:42 | |
Israel has survived many challenges in its short life, | 0:00:45 | 0:00:49 | |
including near destruction, only to become the most powerful | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
country in the Middle East and at the forefront of the global economy. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:57 | |
But as my journey across the Holy Land shows, Israel also faces | 0:00:57 | 0:01:02 | |
new challenges from within the country. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:04 | |
The religious population is growing and so are the tensions. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
There's increasing disaffection from Israel's Arab minority. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:16 | |
And yet Israel is also a country that CAN surprise. What you see here | 0:01:19 | 0:01:23 | |
is not always what you are told to expect. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:27 | |
This is an extraordinary scene. Thousands and thousands | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
of Israeli citizens, all of them anti-Zionist, all of them Jews. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:36 | |
Israel is approaching a crossroads. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
The path it takes could have a huge impact on this the most | 0:01:40 | 0:01:44 | |
volatile region of the world and therefore all of us. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:48 | |
This is Tel Aviv, but it could be Barcelona or even San Francisco. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:04 | |
There are many freedoms here which are unheard of in almost | 0:02:04 | 0:02:08 | |
the entire Middle East region. Equal rights for women, for gays, | 0:02:08 | 0:02:13 | |
a free press, to name but a few, this is an open and dynamic society. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:20 | |
Tel Aviv may look like any other Mediterranean holiday resort, | 0:02:29 | 0:02:34 | |
but actually it isn't. Just a few minutes flying time | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
from here are hostile borders. This country has been almost | 0:02:37 | 0:02:42 | |
continuously at war ever since its foundations 65 years ago. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:47 | |
Young people here lead a schizophrenic existence. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:51 | |
ROCK BAND PLAYS | 0:02:53 | 0:02:55 | |
These musicians in this Tel Aviv bar may look like any other rock band. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:02 | |
SINGING IN DIALECT | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
But they also have to fight. The men are all reserved air force pilots. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:11 | |
SINGING IN DIALECT | 0:03:13 | 0:03:17 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:03:24 | 0:03:26 | |
In 2006, in Lebanon war, I found myself like every one or two days, | 0:03:28 | 0:03:33 | |
I found myself on the beach, | 0:03:33 | 0:03:35 | |
reading a book or writing something, | 0:03:35 | 0:03:37 | |
and then five hours later, I was flying above, in the darkness | 0:03:37 | 0:03:42 | |
above Lebanon. I even turned to write a few songs airborne. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:48 | |
-Do you? -Above the war, you see everything, see the explosions, | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
you hear the noises and you have the privilege or the point of view | 0:03:52 | 0:03:58 | |
that you can write about it. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
Cos of this, the way we live in Israel, always on alert, | 0:04:00 | 0:04:02 | |
always on some kind of worry about your life, I think | 0:04:02 | 0:04:09 | |
we're enjoying life better, we're making better art, better music, | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
-because we're living right here. -You're living on the edge more. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
We're living right here and right now. You know | 0:04:15 | 0:04:18 | |
how many likes on Facebook we have from Gaza? | 0:04:18 | 0:04:20 | |
-From Arabs, yes, it's unbelievable, actually. -Really? | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
I don't know yet why is that, but I'm very, very happy with that, | 0:04:23 | 0:04:29 | |
on our Facebook page which is, babylongirlz.com | 0:04:29 | 0:04:33 | |
-or at Facebook.com. -THEY LAUGH | 0:04:33 | 0:04:34 | |
We have almost one third of the likes from Arab people. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:39 | |
You know the image that you're projecting here is a very far cry | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
from the hard-faced military image that Israel is | 0:04:43 | 0:04:49 | |
often projected, so how do you think the rest of the world sees you? | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
Someone said once, if an alien will land here, it would think | 0:04:53 | 0:04:57 | |
-Israel is...is ruling the world. -It draws a stereotype. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:01 | |
It's probably the world's worst, worst way of travelling | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
in the world when you know you can't speak your own language | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
and you feel uncomfortable with saying where you're from | 0:05:07 | 0:05:11 | |
and definitely what you did in the army and stuff like this. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:15 | |
You don't have to drive from Tel Aviv to get | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
a glimpse of the dual life that is the lot of many young Israelis. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:25 | |
This is the Negev in Southern Israel, | 0:05:25 | 0:05:27 | |
a few miles from the Egyptian border. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
ROCKET FIRES | 0:05:31 | 0:05:33 | |
Back, back, back, back! | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
Lay down, lay down! Look over there! | 0:05:36 | 0:05:40 | |
EXPLOSION | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
-It may look as if Israel is embroiled in another war. -MACHINE GUNFIRE | 0:05:42 | 0:05:46 | |
In fact these paratroopers are on a training exercise with live fire. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:52 | |
The Israel Defence Force is the country's single most | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
important institution. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
Many Israeli men must still train regularly for war, | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
some into their 40s. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
Why do you have to keep at such a high battle-ready state? | 0:06:06 | 0:06:10 | |
Well, we're here to defend Israel, | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
and if the enemy decides to open war, | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
we have to be ready, we still have | 0:06:15 | 0:06:16 | |
a lot of neighbours that don't want us here, and they will do whatever | 0:06:16 | 0:06:21 | |
they can to drive us out of here, and we'll have to defend ourselves. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:27 | |
Every war is a war for our survival, for the people of Israel, | 0:06:27 | 0:06:32 | |
for the state of Israel. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:33 | |
In the wake of the Arab Spring, | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
and not for the first time, Israelis are feeling alone. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:43 | |
Syria is in flames with the risk of chemical weapons falling | 0:06:43 | 0:06:47 | |
into Hezbollah's hands. Jordan, where Islamism is on the rise. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:53 | |
Egypt now run by the Muslim Brotherhood, | 0:06:53 | 0:06:55 | |
whose core ideology opposes the existence of Israel. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:57 | |
And Gaza now run by Hamas, | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
backed by Iran, whose President has | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
threatened to wipe Israel off the map and may soon be nuclear-armed. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:07 | |
The new fence along the border with Egypt is the latest in a series | 0:07:09 | 0:07:13 | |
of steps Israel has taken to seal itself off from its Arab neighbours. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:17 | |
Although the Arab Spring has provoked unease across Israel, | 0:07:24 | 0:07:28 | |
some see it not as a threat | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
but as an opportunity to end Israel's growing regional isolation. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:34 | |
This morning, I've got an appointment | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
on the seafront at Tel Aviv | 0:07:39 | 0:07:40 | |
with a man who was once a pillar of the Israeli establishment, | 0:07:40 | 0:07:46 | |
a former speaker at the Israeli Parliament, | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
a man tipped to become Prime Minister | 0:07:49 | 0:07:51 | |
and who even served for a short while as interim Israeli President. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:55 | |
Avram Burg is also a leader of Israel's peace movement. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:59 | |
He fears Israelis are in danger of being trapped by their long | 0:07:59 | 0:08:03 | |
history of persecution. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:05 | |
We came here 70 years ago in order to go out of the pathological | 0:08:05 | 0:08:11 | |
relations between the Jew and the non-Jew, | 0:08:11 | 0:08:13 | |
mainly in the Christian world, in which we lived in ghettos, | 0:08:13 | 0:08:17 | |
called our villages, called shtetls in Yiddish, so we had confined | 0:08:17 | 0:08:23 | |
communities, confined ghettos, walled ones sometimes. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:26 | |
We moved to the Middle East | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
and all of a sudden, we have here the largest shtetl ever! | 0:08:28 | 0:08:32 | |
The reason much of this country is still in this shtetl is | 0:08:32 | 0:08:36 | |
because there are groups around this country who still want to destroy. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:42 | |
We had holocaust and we were traumatised, | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
and the world recognised it and we needed a safe haven, but ever since, | 0:08:44 | 0:08:50 | |
we made the trauma our strategy. It is not needed any more. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:55 | |
We must start planning, | 0:08:55 | 0:08:57 | |
moving from the strategy of trauma to the strategy of trust. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:01 | |
Maybe we don't have many out there to trust, but we have some, | 0:09:01 | 0:09:05 | |
let's start with them, but... | 0:09:05 | 0:09:07 | |
But this region respects power, it does not respect weakness. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:11 | |
OK, we shall strike Iran, we shall strike Saudi Arabia, | 0:09:11 | 0:09:14 | |
we shall strike this and this and this and this, | 0:09:14 | 0:09:16 | |
and then there will be another one! So what is next? | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
So I believe that the strategy of power only exhausted itself. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:24 | |
But Avram Burg is in a minority. Most Israelis are no longer | 0:09:25 | 0:09:30 | |
in the mood to take risks for peace. They've come to doubt | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
that there will EVER be a lasting settlement with their | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
Arab neighbours and seem almost to have switched off from the issue. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:40 | |
At the recent election, Israelis focused on internal issues | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
like the high cost of living | 0:09:46 | 0:09:48 | |
and the growing burden on the state of Israel's most religious Jews. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:53 | |
I'm heading out of Tel Aviv, | 0:09:55 | 0:09:56 | |
towards Israel's spiritual capital, Jerusalem. | 0:09:56 | 0:10:00 | |
This city has been fought over by Jews, Christians and Muslims | 0:10:05 | 0:10:09 | |
for over 1,000 years. Today, Jews are quarrelling among themselves. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:15 | |
Israel was founded as the world's only nation state for Jews | 0:10:21 | 0:10:25 | |
on European post-war principals, democratic and mainly secular. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:29 | |
This is the neighbourhood of Mea She'arim. For 140 years, | 0:10:32 | 0:10:36 | |
it's been home to the ultra-Orthodox who live very conservative lives | 0:10:36 | 0:10:40 | |
in closed communities. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:41 | |
Ever since the foundation of the state of Israel, there's been | 0:10:45 | 0:10:48 | |
a clash of values between secular liberalism | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
and religious Judaism. But the religious population of this | 0:10:51 | 0:10:56 | |
country is growing very fast, much faster than the secular | 0:10:56 | 0:11:00 | |
population, and the tension between these two groups is also growing. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:04 | |
A minority of ultra-Orthodox still oppose | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
any participation in the Jewish state. They believe its creation | 0:11:13 | 0:11:17 | |
was a heresy and should have awaited the coming of the Messiah. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
On the eve of Israel's last election, this neighbourhood gave | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
a rousing reception to a visiting American rabbi who urged them | 0:11:31 | 0:11:36 | |
to boycott the election. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:37 | |
This is one of the extraordinary things about this country. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:46 | |
Thousands of anti-Zionists, all of them Jews. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:52 | |
MUSIC PLAYS | 0:11:52 | 0:11:54 | |
Although most ultra-Orthodox opposed the creation of Israel, | 0:11:54 | 0:12:00 | |
they've demanded and got unique privileges. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
Not only are they exempt from military service, | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
they also get welfare benefits, so they can | 0:12:07 | 0:12:10 | |
continue their lives in prayer and study at Yeshivas like this one. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:14 | |
I was given a rare glimpse inside a Yeshiva by Rabbi Dov Halbertal. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:21 | |
From morning till night, it throbs with learning. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:25 | |
So these boys will be how old? | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
They start from 16 to 21, 22 when they marry then. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:36 | |
And in those years, they are day and night sitting only in this place. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:43 | |
Reading the Talmud, reading the Torah. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
Most intensely learning the words. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
And what about the sort of basic subjects | 0:12:48 | 0:12:52 | |
like mathematics or history? | 0:12:52 | 0:12:54 | |
-Do they learn that here? -Not at all. -Not at all. -Only Torah. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:58 | |
-Concentrated, in spirits. -Right. -In morals, in values and religious. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:05 | |
-Yes. -Jewish. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:07 | |
By 2060, the ultra-Orthodox are forecast to become nearly | 0:13:07 | 0:13:11 | |
a third of Israel's population, the country's fastest growing minority | 0:13:11 | 0:13:16 | |
funded by a shrinking secular majority. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
It doesn't seem sustainable. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:21 | |
All these boys won't probably be contributing taxes, they'll spend | 0:13:22 | 0:13:28 | |
most of their lives, the rest of their lives, deep in spirituality. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:34 | |
What do they contribute to the state? | 0:13:34 | 0:13:37 | |
They are the real state of Israel. Without them, Israel doesn't exist, | 0:13:38 | 0:13:45 | |
you don't need the army, you don't need the budget, you need nothing. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:50 | |
How can they be the state of Israel if they don't go in the army | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
and they don't pay taxes? | 0:13:53 | 0:13:55 | |
Because they are the DNA of the state. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
The DNA of the state. | 0:13:57 | 0:13:58 | |
They establish the soul of the state, | 0:13:58 | 0:14:01 | |
the real deep meaning of the state of Israel. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:06 | |
But the deep meaning of Israel means different things to different Jews | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
who've come from a multitude of countries. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:13 | |
A battle is under way for the soul of the Jewish state. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
Last ,year police had to intervene as ultra-Orthodox extremists | 0:14:18 | 0:14:22 | |
tried to impose their strict values on the rest of the population. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:27 | |
REPORTER: 'On Monday, police clashed with hundreds of ultra-Orthodox | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
'who'd been trying to force women | 0:14:30 | 0:14:32 | |
'and girls to walk on a different side of the street from men. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
'Israel's political leaders, so often critical of religious extremism | 0:14:37 | 0:14:41 | |
'in Islamic countries, have ordered a crack down on intolerance at home.' | 0:14:41 | 0:14:45 | |
Only rarely do these quarrels end in violence, | 0:14:47 | 0:14:49 | |
and only a small minority are involved. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:53 | |
Some ultra-Orthodox reject modern technology, | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
insist on gender segregation on public transport | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
and protest against driving on the Sabbath. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:01 | |
Some rabbis, even ministers, have said that Jewish religious law, | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
known as the Halakha, should be expanded beyond marriage, | 0:15:06 | 0:15:11 | |
burial and divorce. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:12 | |
How much pressure is there from the ultra-Orthodox for Jewish | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
religious law to expand into other areas? | 0:15:17 | 0:15:21 | |
The question is what dominates more - | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
the Jewish or the democratic part of, you know, of this state. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:29 | |
And what is the dominant impulse at the moment? | 0:15:29 | 0:15:34 | |
-The trend is toward more traditional. -Religious? | 0:15:34 | 0:15:37 | |
-Religious, yeah. -Er... | 0:15:37 | 0:15:39 | |
And what will that do to the cohesion of this country? | 0:15:40 | 0:15:46 | |
That's a very, very difficult question, | 0:15:46 | 0:15:48 | |
because the part who is becoming more democratic and liberal, | 0:15:48 | 0:15:54 | |
they are becoming more and more liberals, yeah. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:57 | |
Ah, so the gap is widening? | 0:15:57 | 0:16:00 | |
It is widening, and that's the... | 0:16:00 | 0:16:02 | |
And that's the real big problem of our nation today. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
What was that about? Why did they chuck that at us? | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
They don't like too much of the modern, | 0:16:10 | 0:16:11 | |
the instruments and appearance. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:13 | |
That's the kind of, er, you know, demonstration. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
I see, protest against our presence. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:18 | |
They don't want to be modern at all. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
We are in a war. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:22 | |
The last election brought this conflict to a head. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:26 | |
Polling the second-highest number of seats was a new secular | 0:16:28 | 0:16:32 | |
party headed by Yair Lapid, a telegenic TV star. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:36 | |
He's demanded an end to the ultra- Orthodox's burden on the state, | 0:16:36 | 0:16:41 | |
turning up the heat in this clash of values. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:45 | |
The one issue that barely registered in the election was Israel's | 0:16:51 | 0:16:55 | |
conflict with its Palestinian Arab neighbours. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:59 | |
Elected Prime Minister for the third time was Benjamin Netanyahu. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
He's taken an uncompromising line to the dismay of even Israel's closest | 0:17:03 | 0:17:09 | |
allies, but here in Israel, Bibi, | 0:17:09 | 0:17:12 | |
as he's popularly known, remains popular. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:15 | |
It's Saturday night, and I've come to this soccer match in Jerusalem to find out why. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:21 | |
Here at the Teddy Kollek stadium, the city's premier soccer team, | 0:17:24 | 0:17:29 | |
Beitar Jerusalem, are at home. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:31 | |
Beitar has a long history of support for Netanyahu's governing | 0:17:33 | 0:17:37 | |
party - Likud. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:38 | |
What proportion of the crowd here would vote Likud? | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
Bibi, of course. Bibi. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
We have not known anybody except him. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
Bibi Netanyahu already proved his mind and proved his way. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:55 | |
I think Bibi Netanyahu is the best. | 0:17:56 | 0:17:58 | |
But why, I wondered, was Bibi best when, under him, | 0:17:59 | 0:18:02 | |
Israel seems to have become further out of step with world opinion | 0:18:02 | 0:18:06 | |
about how to achieve peace with its Palestinian neighbours. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:10 | |
But there's no peace yet. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:13 | |
Peace. We hope it's come. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:15 | |
We want...we want to come. We don't have with whom to speak. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:19 | |
The other side don't want peace. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
They don't want the country. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:24 | |
They want us into the sea. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:27 | |
They want us dead. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:29 | |
For peace, | 0:18:31 | 0:18:33 | |
till now, nobody did it like... | 0:18:33 | 0:18:35 | |
not Rabin, and not everybody that's trying to do this. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:41 | |
If it happens, I think Bibi Netanyahu will do the best. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:46 | |
I'm a bit different from the others here. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:50 | |
-Bit different from the other fans, really? -More liberal, yeah. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
What about peace? Do you think there ever will be peace in this country? | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
-I hope. -What do you think is preventing peace? | 0:18:56 | 0:18:58 | |
-Religious. Religion. -Religion? -Yeah. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:02 | |
-On the Palestinian side or the Israeli side? -Both. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
And do you think Bibi will deliver peace or not? | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
Under Mr Netanyahu particularly, Israel is getting a very bad press | 0:19:30 | 0:19:35 | |
in the rest of the world - does that worry you? | 0:19:35 | 0:19:39 | |
Mistrust of Arab intention sometimes manifests itself in open | 0:19:50 | 0:19:55 | |
displays of bigotry. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:57 | |
During this game, a hardcore of fans | 0:19:57 | 0:19:59 | |
in the stand opposite unfurled a banner which said, | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
"Beitar, pure for 70 years," | 0:20:02 | 0:20:06 | |
in protest at the signing of two Muslim players. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
Would you have a problem if the team hired an Arab player? | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
For me, never have a problem, | 0:20:14 | 0:20:15 | |
but there are people what, er... | 0:20:15 | 0:20:20 | |
they have a problem with this. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:22 | |
-Some, some of the fans have a problem. -Yeah. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:24 | |
-Why, why do they have a problem? -I think maybe 10%, no more. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
There is over there people they too much making trouble to this er, | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
team, you know. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:32 | |
I don't care, you know, to bring some Arab player. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:36 | |
-It doesn't worry you? -No. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:38 | |
The police arrested the fans, the stand was closed and the club fined. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:46 | |
But the incident highlights growing tensions between Israel's | 0:20:47 | 0:20:51 | |
Arab and its Jewish citizens. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
One in every five Israeli citizen is an Arab, descendants of those | 0:20:56 | 0:21:00 | |
Arabs who remained when the state of Israel was formed in 1948. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:04 | |
They were given full and equal citizenship, | 0:21:10 | 0:21:14 | |
and many Israeli Arabs have benefited from what the Israeli | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
state has to offer, like good education and health care. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:22 | |
I'll have a medium pomegranate juice, please. Very good for you, eh? | 0:21:22 | 0:21:26 | |
But in general, Israeli Arabs are much poorer than | 0:21:26 | 0:21:30 | |
their fellow Jewish citizens - they have fewer jobs | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
and believe they're treated as second-class citizens. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:36 | |
This culture clash has provided a rich seam for Israeli Arab | 0:21:51 | 0:21:55 | |
comedy writer Sayed Kashua in his hit series Arab Labour. | 0:21:55 | 0:22:00 | |
Both Jews and Arabs have managed to laugh at themselves | 0:22:00 | 0:22:04 | |
at the travails of the hapless hero, Amjad. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:08 | |
What's the stereotype that you play with in your material, in your comedy? | 0:22:08 | 0:22:12 | |
Ah, well, in my comedy, in my comedy, actually Amjad is | 0:22:14 | 0:22:18 | |
trying to do his best to fit in Israeli society. I think that they | 0:22:18 | 0:22:23 | |
know that he knows that he will never be accepted into that society - | 0:22:23 | 0:22:28 | |
the Israelis would always look at him in a different way. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:32 | |
'Unknown to his new Jewish neighbours, | 0:22:32 | 0:22:34 | |
'Amjad is actually a professional journalist.' | 0:22:34 | 0:22:37 | |
How do you think the average Israeli Jew sees | 0:23:05 | 0:23:10 | |
or thinks of the average Israeli Arab? | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
As a threat, as someone that you cannot really trust. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:18 | |
The Israelis think that there is something called | 0:23:43 | 0:23:45 | |
the culture of the Arabs which they mean the mentality of the Arab. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:49 | |
The average Israeli would think that the Arab, | 0:23:49 | 0:23:51 | |
because of his culture and mentality, is more violent, | 0:23:51 | 0:23:55 | |
and most of the Israelis would think that you are much more primitive. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:59 | |
It's like hell, and you are not... | 0:23:59 | 0:24:00 | |
you are not accepted like a real citizen. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:02 | |
You know, you've made it, whatever you may think, | 0:24:29 | 0:24:33 | |
you appear to have made it pretty big time, | 0:24:33 | 0:24:35 | |
you've made it big time here. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:37 | |
It's just one thing to make clear, it's not that I made it | 0:24:37 | 0:24:39 | |
because the Jewish realise I'm a good writer, let's... | 0:24:39 | 0:24:43 | |
-Absolutely. -Let's make that clear. -Of course. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
You elect Arabs to the Knesset, | 0:25:01 | 0:25:03 | |
there are Arab judges, so on the ground, | 0:25:03 | 0:25:07 | |
in what way do Israeli Arabs feel discriminated against? | 0:25:07 | 0:25:11 | |
In all aspects of life that you can imagine. First of all, it's... | 0:25:11 | 0:25:15 | |
I think it would be impossible to make us feel comfortable | 0:25:15 | 0:25:21 | |
or comfortable or welcomed in Israel if there is | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
no solution with, er, with the Palestinians, that's for sure. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:28 | |
We can survive if they fix it with the Palestinian people - that's... | 0:25:28 | 0:25:32 | |
that's still the major problem for us. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:37 | |
It's very, very complicated to... | 0:25:37 | 0:25:39 | |
to belong to a state, erm, that's fighting your nation. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:43 | |
What Sayed Kashua refers to as his "nation" | 0:25:47 | 0:25:51 | |
are the Palestinian Arabs with whom Israel has been | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
locked in conflict since the foundation of the state in 1948. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:58 | |
Most Arabs fled or were evicted. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:02 | |
The descendants of the minority who stayed largely reconciled | 0:26:04 | 0:26:08 | |
themselves to living in a Jewish state, but divisions have been | 0:26:08 | 0:26:14 | |
growing, especially in the Arab town of Umm al-Fahm in Northern Israel. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:19 | |
Umm al-Fahm has been the centre | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
of Arab Islamic protest against the | 0:26:25 | 0:26:30 | |
creation of the Israeli state. This is the heart of what's called | 0:26:30 | 0:26:34 | |
the Islamic Movement Northern Branch. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:35 | |
It's a pretty radical movement. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:37 | |
It's closely aligned to Hamas, | 0:26:37 | 0:26:39 | |
which seeks the destruction of the Jewish state. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:43 | |
Sheikh Raed Salah is the head of the Northern Movement. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:49 | |
He frequently accuses Israeli political leaders of plotting | 0:26:50 | 0:26:54 | |
to destroy Islam's third-holiest site, | 0:26:54 | 0:26:56 | |
the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
Inflammatory accusations like this raise fears amongst Israelis | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
that their fellow Arab citizens could become a fifth column. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:14 | |
In 2010, ultra-Nationalist Jews demonstrated in Umm al-Fahm, calling | 0:27:14 | 0:27:20 | |
for the banning of the Islamic movement. It ended in a riot. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:25 | |
While violent clashes are rare, their frequency is rising. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:31 | |
Increasingly, Israeli Arabs emphasise their Palestinian identity | 0:27:32 | 0:27:37 | |
and kinship with their relatives who in 1948 fled across the border | 0:27:37 | 0:27:43 | |
just a mile from here. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:44 | |
The failure to reach a settlement with the Palestinians is not only | 0:27:50 | 0:27:54 | |
a major barrier to better relations between Israeli Jews and Israeli | 0:27:54 | 0:27:59 | |
Arabs, it's also costing Israel support from its closest allies. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:03 | |
20 years ago, a plan was brokered to build a separate state | 0:28:06 | 0:28:10 | |
for the Palestinian people on the West Bank and Gaza. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:15 | |
And for the last 20 years, the two states for two peoples | 0:28:15 | 0:28:18 | |
has been a sort of holy grail for peace negotiators | 0:28:18 | 0:28:22 | |
trying to solve this intractable conflict. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
Separated by checkpoints and a wall, Israelis | 0:28:25 | 0:28:29 | |
and Palestinians barely talk any more - they can't agree | 0:28:29 | 0:28:33 | |
the terms of two states, and it doesn't look as if they ever will. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:38 | |
I'm on my way to the West Bank to find out why. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:41 | |
The West Bank has been under Israeli control | 0:28:42 | 0:28:45 | |
since 1967 when Israel defeated Arab armies threatening to attack. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:50 | |
Faced with unexpected territorial gains, Israel was reluctant to part | 0:28:52 | 0:28:57 | |
with the new territory, fearing the Arabs might strike again. | 0:28:57 | 0:29:02 | |
Standing on these hills on the West Bank, overlooking Israel, | 0:29:04 | 0:29:07 | |
it's easy to see why Israel's been so concerned about its security. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:12 | |
At its narrowest point, Israel is just 12 miles wide, | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
and in fact, on a clear day, from these hills, you can see | 0:29:15 | 0:29:18 | |
the Mediterranean sparkling in the distance, and security is | 0:29:18 | 0:29:23 | |
one of the reasons why Israel began to build settlements on these hills. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:29 | |
The Palestinians say that settlements have been a major | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
stumbling block to a negotiated peace. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:35 | |
Ma'ale Adumim is one of the largest settlements originally built | 0:29:35 | 0:29:40 | |
as a buffer to protect Israel's borders. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:44 | |
Today, 40,000 Israelis live here. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:47 | |
Paula Stern has been here for 12 years. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
Over here, you have the Zero-Seven neighbourhood, | 0:29:50 | 0:29:52 | |
leads into an older part of Ma'ale Adumim that must be about 30 years old, erm, | 0:29:52 | 0:29:56 | |
and that's where the centre of the town is. | 0:29:56 | 0:29:58 | |
I'll take you around. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:00 | |
'This settlement has been here for so long that Israelis | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
'now regard it as a suburb of nearby Jerusalem.' | 0:30:03 | 0:30:06 | |
I came to Ma'ale Adumim, I think it was a combination of ideological | 0:30:06 | 0:30:14 | |
but more, more social, and it just seemed like an amazingly | 0:30:14 | 0:30:19 | |
beautiful place to be and, and I love it. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:23 | |
This is a place where my children have tremendous freedom, | 0:30:23 | 0:30:26 | |
and the schools are wonderful. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:29 | |
These houses over here are newly built. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:32 | |
There's a tremendous need for housing in Israel in general, | 0:30:32 | 0:30:35 | |
and this area meets the need. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:37 | |
And who typically lives here? | 0:30:39 | 0:30:41 | |
The picture we get in England is of a settler being a fellow | 0:30:41 | 0:30:46 | |
with a beard and a yarmulke on his head and a gun. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:49 | |
Erm, who lives here, it's an incredibly diverse community. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:53 | |
Diverse if you're Jewish. Palestinians aren't allowed | 0:30:53 | 0:30:57 | |
to live here, but they can come here to work. | 0:30:57 | 0:30:59 | |
So this is where you do your weekly shop? | 0:31:04 | 0:31:07 | |
Yes. Every week, I come here. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:09 | |
-Wow, it's pretty big. -It's huge. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:11 | |
And the staff here would be Israeli or Palestinian? | 0:31:14 | 0:31:17 | |
Both. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:19 | |
One of the managers is an Arab. Arabs and Jews shopping, | 0:31:19 | 0:31:23 | |
Arabs and Jews working here as well. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:26 | |
So these guys serving meat here are Palestinians or Israelis? | 0:31:26 | 0:31:30 | |
Yes, yes. Palestinians. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:31 | |
THEY CONVERSE IN HEBREW | 0:31:31 | 0:31:34 | |
-His Hebrew is pretty good too. -Yes. Absolutely. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:39 | |
Most of the people who stock and work in the areas, most of them | 0:31:49 | 0:31:53 | |
are Palestinian, probably more than half, probably more than half. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:58 | |
OK, so if this settlement didn't exist, they wouldn't have jobs? | 0:31:58 | 0:32:01 | |
Absolutely not. Absolutely not. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:03 | |
Palestinians and Israelis seem to get along here, | 0:32:04 | 0:32:07 | |
so it's easy to forget that the UN and even most of Israel's | 0:32:07 | 0:32:11 | |
allies have declared these settlements illegal. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:14 | |
Israel disputes this. It's a touchy issue for those who live here. | 0:32:14 | 0:32:18 | |
-I keep referring to you as a settler. -OK. | 0:32:19 | 0:32:23 | |
-Which you don't see yourself as a settler? -Erm... | 0:32:23 | 0:32:26 | |
-Or do you? -Am I settler? | 0:32:26 | 0:32:28 | |
Yes, I'm a settler, because what do we do as human beings? | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
We settle in a place, we make a home, that's what we've done, | 0:32:31 | 0:32:34 | |
we come to the same supermarket, we buy the same food, | 0:32:34 | 0:32:37 | |
we can buy the same clothes, we go to the same hospitals. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:40 | |
But you don't have the same rights. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:44 | |
If we had peace, if we didn't have the security issues, | 0:32:44 | 0:32:47 | |
then we might have the same rights. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:49 | |
The West Bank may now be home to both Israelis and Palestinians, | 0:32:50 | 0:32:54 | |
but only the Israelis enjoy the rights that go with citizenship. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:59 | |
The Palestinians here are stateless. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:02 | |
A viable Palestinian state on the West Bank would require | 0:33:05 | 0:33:09 | |
Israel to withdraw from almost all of it, | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
but since this was first discussed, the number of settlers | 0:33:12 | 0:33:16 | |
have tripled and moved ever deeper into the territory. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:21 | |
Unlike Ma'ale Adumim, they weren't built to strengthen the Israeli border. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:25 | |
350,000 settlers now live here. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:30 | |
The faster these settlements grow deep into the West Bank, | 0:33:30 | 0:33:33 | |
the harder it's surely going to be for any Israeli government | 0:33:33 | 0:33:37 | |
to dismantle them by force, if necessary, | 0:33:37 | 0:33:40 | |
in the event of a peace deal with the Palestinians. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
So why has Israel continued to build these settlements on land | 0:33:44 | 0:33:49 | |
set aside for an independent Palestinian state? | 0:33:49 | 0:33:53 | |
In Jerusalem, I met David Landau, | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
a keen observer of events in Israel for 45 years. | 0:33:56 | 0:34:00 | |
An observant Jew himself, he is profoundly troubled | 0:34:00 | 0:34:03 | |
by the rise of religious nationalism. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:06 | |
Unlike the ultra-Orthodox, these religious Jews claim | 0:34:06 | 0:34:09 | |
a divine right to settle over the whole of their biblical homeland. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:14 | |
When Israel found itself in possession of these territories, there was this burgeoning, | 0:34:14 | 0:34:18 | |
this flowering of this pernicious | 0:34:18 | 0:34:21 | |
religious ideology, and today, | 0:34:21 | 0:34:24 | |
this ideology is what fuels the government. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:29 | |
Does Jewish orthodoxy | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
necessarily entail a desire for the present day state of Israel | 0:34:32 | 0:34:39 | |
to impose itself on the whole of the biblical territory which | 0:34:39 | 0:34:43 | |
happens to be populated by another people as well as the Jewish people? | 0:34:43 | 0:34:48 | |
And my answer to that is a resounding no. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:53 | |
The argument is predicated on irrational, Messianist, | 0:34:53 | 0:34:58 | |
religion-driven thinking, not on hard-headed politics. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:04 | |
Just as Hamas's ideology driven by theological, Messianic thinking. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:09 | |
Precisely. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:11 | |
While successive Israeli governments have authorised settlement expansion, | 0:35:12 | 0:35:17 | |
they draw the line at building on private Palestinian land, | 0:35:17 | 0:35:22 | |
but in defiance of their own government, extreme Jewish nationalists | 0:35:22 | 0:35:26 | |
have done just this, provoking clashes with Israeli police. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:30 | |
Right next to one settlement, legal under Israeli law, | 0:35:31 | 0:35:35 | |
another construction is under way, this one by Palestinians. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:40 | |
It's the largest project on the West Bank today, | 0:35:40 | 0:35:43 | |
a new city in the making, | 0:35:43 | 0:35:45 | |
inspired and part-funded by Palestinian entrepreneur Bashar Masri. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:50 | |
There's an Israeli settlement over there, you're here - | 0:35:52 | 0:35:55 | |
how far apart, what a couple of miles, a mile? | 0:35:55 | 0:35:57 | |
Yes, and this is a settlement of a bunch of radicals, | 0:35:57 | 0:36:01 | |
they don't fit in anywhere, even in Israeli society. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:05 | |
They're ultra-radical to be part of a main society like this. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:10 | |
So you don't talk much? | 0:36:10 | 0:36:13 | |
We don't talk at all, and now they've taken us to court. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:16 | |
On what grounds, what grounds? | 0:36:16 | 0:36:17 | |
The basic grounds that this is their land, and we should not exist. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:22 | |
What even this bit, this is theirs? | 0:36:22 | 0:36:24 | |
That's correct, yes, that's their biblical land, | 0:36:24 | 0:36:26 | |
I'm not talking about commercial land, | 0:36:26 | 0:36:28 | |
this is the land that God promised them, and so I can't deal | 0:36:28 | 0:36:33 | |
with that, you know. I don't think they have any legal grounds. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:37 | |
Even in an Israeli point of view, the West Bank is not part of Israel. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:42 | |
If you look at the world through Palestinian eyes, you can glimpse | 0:36:48 | 0:36:52 | |
how a state of their own might start to heal old wounds. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:56 | |
Homes for 40,000 residents with schools, | 0:36:58 | 0:37:00 | |
mosques and a commercial centre. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:02 | |
Already, 8,000 Palestinians have applied to live here. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:08 | |
And why did you pick this site? | 0:37:11 | 0:37:12 | |
This is a beautiful site. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:15 | |
Each one of the buildings as you can see, has a view, | 0:37:15 | 0:37:18 | |
each one of the apartments has a view, and that's important that | 0:37:18 | 0:37:23 | |
you have a nice view, good living look at these views, look at the valley, | 0:37:23 | 0:37:28 | |
look at the mountains, you know, it's a beautiful area. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:31 | |
As Masri showed me round, | 0:37:33 | 0:37:34 | |
it was sobering to contemplate the consequences | 0:37:34 | 0:37:38 | |
if the Palestinians don't one day become masters of their own fate. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:42 | |
This is home, this is our nation, and not every day, | 0:37:44 | 0:37:47 | |
the world has the chance to create a state from scratch. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:51 | |
We also want to send a message to the world that we, | 0:37:52 | 0:37:56 | |
the Palestinian people, are ready to build and to make a good living | 0:37:56 | 0:38:01 | |
for ourselves. We're not the terrorists that you think about, | 0:38:01 | 0:38:04 | |
we are the builders, we want to live like any other nation. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:07 | |
A good chunk of the Israelis definitely believe | 0:38:09 | 0:38:12 | |
-the Palestinians should have their own state. -Then why doesn't it have? | 0:38:12 | 0:38:15 | |
Well, I guess a lot of politics and it is the power of the radicals, | 0:38:15 | 0:38:20 | |
and, you know, this project has been criticised by radicals on both sides, | 0:38:20 | 0:38:24 | |
and you know you're doing something right if you're criticised | 0:38:24 | 0:38:27 | |
by both radicals, but if we cannot achieve a Palestinian state | 0:38:27 | 0:38:31 | |
in the near future, it will be a disaster for this project, | 0:38:31 | 0:38:34 | |
it will be a disaster for the Palestinian people at large. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:37 | |
It will be a disaster, I think, for Israel also, | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
it will be a disaster for the potential of peace | 0:38:40 | 0:38:42 | |
any time in the future. We'll be killing each other | 0:38:42 | 0:38:46 | |
throughout the next 100 years, which I would hate to think about. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:50 | |
But the two-state solution is on its deathbed, | 0:38:51 | 0:38:54 | |
and what's killing it is mutual distrust. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:59 | |
While the Palestinians accuse Israel of not being serious about peace, | 0:38:59 | 0:39:03 | |
the Israelis feel the same about the Palestinians. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:07 | |
I'm on my way to Ramallah. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:12 | |
Although Israel occupies most of the West Bank, most Palestinians | 0:39:13 | 0:39:17 | |
are governed day-to-day by the Palestinian Authority based here. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:22 | |
The PA says it is committed to a peaceful resolution | 0:39:23 | 0:39:27 | |
of the conflict, but what Israelis see is something else. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:31 | |
So just behind me is the PA Prime Minister's office, | 0:39:34 | 0:39:37 | |
and I'm now turning into a street called Yahya Ayyash. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:41 | |
Yahya Ayyash was known | 0:39:41 | 0:39:43 | |
by the Israelis as "the engineer", because he designed and built | 0:39:43 | 0:39:48 | |
Hamas suicide bombs, which of course killed dozens of Israeli civilians. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:54 | |
For Israelis, the deliberate targeting of civilians | 0:39:57 | 0:40:01 | |
has destroyed whatever faith they had that their Arab neighbours | 0:40:01 | 0:40:05 | |
will ever accept the permanent existence of a Jewish state. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:09 | |
Tributes like this on state-run PA TV to a terrorist | 0:40:14 | 0:40:18 | |
involved in killing 38 civilians, including 13 children, | 0:40:18 | 0:40:23 | |
fuel Israeli fears that the PA has not abandoned the terrorist option. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:27 | |
PA President Mahmoud Abbas says he does believe in a two-state solution, | 0:40:34 | 0:40:38 | |
and under his leadership, Palestinian terrorist attacks | 0:40:38 | 0:40:42 | |
from the West Bank have significantly decreased. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:45 | |
Within Israel, there's a widespread view that Palestinian | 0:40:46 | 0:40:50 | |
political leaders have engaged in double speak. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:53 | |
Comments like this to the Arab world from senior PA official | 0:40:54 | 0:40:58 | |
Abbas Zaki suggests a hidden agenda, that a two-state solution | 0:40:58 | 0:41:03 | |
is simply a stepping stone to the end of the Jewish state. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:07 | |
Israelis also fear that if they relinquish control of the West Bank | 0:41:35 | 0:41:39 | |
to the PA, the more radical Islamist group, Hamas, might take over. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:44 | |
They point out that when Israel forcibly removed 9,000 settlers | 0:41:48 | 0:41:52 | |
from Gaza in 2005, rocket attacks increased. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:57 | |
All this has entrenched Israel's ideological right, | 0:42:05 | 0:42:09 | |
now the largest single voting block in the Israeli parliament. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:13 | |
Whereas Prime Minister Netanyahu has committed himself to the two-state | 0:42:13 | 0:42:18 | |
solution, most MPs in his ruling party, Likud, support annexing some | 0:42:18 | 0:42:23 | |
or all of the West Bank into one state as part of a greater Israel. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:29 | |
I've arranged to meet one of their rising stars. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:32 | |
Tzipi Hotovely calls the West Bank by its biblical name Judea and Samaria. | 0:42:32 | 0:42:39 | |
Just explain to me in simple terms | 0:42:39 | 0:42:41 | |
what your vision is for the West Bank. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:45 | |
My vision is that Israel will have the sovereignty | 0:42:45 | 0:42:48 | |
on all the territory. And in order to understand this as a solution, | 0:42:48 | 0:42:53 | |
you need to understand that the idea of separation failed dramatically | 0:42:53 | 0:42:59 | |
at 2005, and Hamas ruined Gaza and made it | 0:42:59 | 0:43:04 | |
a small terror state. And when we saw that results, | 0:43:04 | 0:43:09 | |
we can't do the same thing in Judea and Samaria, | 0:43:09 | 0:43:12 | |
we can't afford ourselves | 0:43:12 | 0:43:14 | |
to build another Iranian terror state in our east border. | 0:43:14 | 0:43:20 | |
How will it be a democratic state | 0:43:20 | 0:43:21 | |
if you take over the whole of the West Bank? You'll have as many Arabs | 0:43:21 | 0:43:27 | |
almost as Jews without the same rights. | 0:43:27 | 0:43:31 | |
If you go for this idea, you need to go all the way, democratic. | 0:43:31 | 0:43:35 | |
That you'd give Palestinians Israeli citizenship? | 0:43:35 | 0:43:37 | |
You'd give Israeli citizenship, and they can be Israeli equal citizens. | 0:43:37 | 0:43:42 | |
They could become the Prime Minister at this stage? | 0:43:42 | 0:43:44 | |
They could become, I don't know, head of the supreme court? | 0:43:44 | 0:43:47 | |
They could become the police chief? | 0:43:47 | 0:43:49 | |
The constitution of this state will be defined in a democratic way, | 0:43:49 | 0:43:54 | |
but it will give priority to the Jewish value. | 0:43:54 | 0:43:57 | |
This is the only Jewish nation in the world. People that want to be | 0:43:57 | 0:44:00 | |
citizens in this state should have the same rights and the same duties. | 0:44:00 | 0:44:06 | |
I think every citizen must do a national service, | 0:44:06 | 0:44:09 | |
and if you're not willing to get the duties of this country, | 0:44:09 | 0:44:12 | |
you can't get the citizenship. | 0:44:12 | 0:44:14 | |
Are Palestinians likely to accept a citizenship test designed | 0:44:15 | 0:44:20 | |
to guarantee the Jewish character of a single state? | 0:44:20 | 0:44:23 | |
And even if they did, would Palestinians and Israelis live | 0:44:23 | 0:44:26 | |
happily ever after when they see each other as neighbours from hell? | 0:44:26 | 0:44:32 | |
Just look at their garden fence. | 0:44:32 | 0:44:35 | |
This is the concrete separation wall that was built | 0:44:35 | 0:44:38 | |
by the Israelis to separate Israelis from Palestinians, | 0:44:38 | 0:44:41 | |
to prevent Palestinian suicide bombers from coming into Israel | 0:44:41 | 0:44:45 | |
to target the civilians, as they did during the second intifada. | 0:44:45 | 0:44:50 | |
A single state would mean dismantling this wall, | 0:44:51 | 0:44:55 | |
which Israelis have relied on to stop suicide bombing attacks. | 0:44:55 | 0:45:00 | |
But over on the other side, the next generation of Palestinians | 0:45:03 | 0:45:06 | |
are also talking about one state, | 0:45:06 | 0:45:10 | |
though it's not the kind of one state that Tzipi Hotovely has in mind. | 0:45:10 | 0:45:14 | |
On Tuesday afternoon, six Palestinian activists, calling themselves | 0:45:17 | 0:45:21 | |
the Freedom Fighters, attempted to travel on an Israeli bus, | 0:45:21 | 0:45:24 | |
headed to Jerusalem, as part of a political stunt carried out | 0:45:24 | 0:45:27 | |
in front of nearly 100 journalists. | 0:45:27 | 0:45:31 | |
Inspired by the Arab Spring, these activists are getting | 0:45:31 | 0:45:35 | |
the world's attention. | 0:45:35 | 0:45:37 | |
They found a more powerful weapon than guns - a receptive media. | 0:45:37 | 0:45:42 | |
Today, they are highlighting Israeli restrictions on their freedom | 0:45:52 | 0:45:56 | |
of movement, the fact that they can't visit Jerusalem without a permit. | 0:45:56 | 0:46:02 | |
-Because they don't allow Palestinians to go to Jerusalem. -There. There. There. | 0:46:03 | 0:46:07 | |
SHOUTS IN ARABIC | 0:46:07 | 0:46:11 | |
Don't touch me. You don't push me. I'm a lady, you're a racist! | 0:46:12 | 0:46:16 | |
I arranged to meet one of the activists | 0:46:18 | 0:46:21 | |
from the bus demonstration. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:22 | |
-Hurriyah, hi, nice to meet you. -Hi, nice to meet you too. | 0:46:24 | 0:46:27 | |
-Show me your town. -Yes. So we're going to start | 0:46:27 | 0:46:29 | |
by walking down this way. | 0:46:29 | 0:46:31 | |
-OK, can we just cross or...? -Yes. | 0:46:31 | 0:46:33 | |
'Secular, educated and cosmopolitan, these young people have grown up | 0:46:33 | 0:46:38 | |
'surrounded by the symbols of Palestinian statehood.' | 0:46:38 | 0:46:42 | |
So this looks pretty new - what is it exactly? | 0:46:42 | 0:46:46 | |
It shows a guy who's trying to raise a flag, | 0:46:46 | 0:46:49 | |
because in every demonstration, and it's something that Palestinians | 0:46:49 | 0:46:53 | |
usually try to do, they try to climb and raise a Palestinian flag. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:58 | |
-It's a symbol of, erm, struggle. -A symbol of resistance. | 0:46:58 | 0:47:02 | |
-Resistance? -Yeah. That's what it means to me, at least. | 0:47:02 | 0:47:05 | |
But the old guard is losing its appeal. | 0:47:08 | 0:47:11 | |
This generation of Palestinians say they're no longer | 0:47:11 | 0:47:15 | |
interested in a separate Palestinian state, their focus | 0:47:15 | 0:47:18 | |
is on getting full civil rights, to give Palestinians a better life. | 0:47:18 | 0:47:23 | |
Do you think it's still got life in it or do you think | 0:47:23 | 0:47:26 | |
the two-state solution is now dead? | 0:47:26 | 0:47:29 | |
I think it's dead. I don't see even myself involved in this | 0:47:29 | 0:47:33 | |
political process, if we're talking about West Bank. | 0:47:33 | 0:47:36 | |
West Bank is nothing - it's a few rocks and mountains. | 0:47:36 | 0:47:40 | |
13% of complete Palestine. From my eyes, it's to Agfa and Haifa, | 0:47:41 | 0:47:46 | |
not firing the...the Jewish out, no, no, not at all. | 0:47:46 | 0:47:52 | |
-You want to share it with them? -Share it with them, | 0:47:52 | 0:47:54 | |
I want to take my basic rights, that's it. | 0:47:54 | 0:47:57 | |
Everyone's going to have to realise eventually that compromises | 0:47:57 | 0:48:02 | |
need to be made on both sides. The problem is, | 0:48:02 | 0:48:05 | |
is that no-one wants to have a rotten compromise. | 0:48:05 | 0:48:09 | |
What I mean by a rotten compromise, is that, you know, | 0:48:09 | 0:48:11 | |
the type of compromise that happens between the master and the slave. | 0:48:11 | 0:48:14 | |
The West Bank for us is a small...is a big prison, so putting me | 0:48:14 | 0:48:19 | |
and locking me in the West Bank and preventing me | 0:48:19 | 0:48:22 | |
to go anywhere I want, preventing me to go to Jerusalem, | 0:48:22 | 0:48:26 | |
where I was born, preventing me from go to Fallujah, which is where I am | 0:48:26 | 0:48:30 | |
originally from, this is treating me like an animal in a cage. | 0:48:30 | 0:48:34 | |
I don't think a two-state solution will live, because I don't think | 0:48:34 | 0:48:37 | |
it's a just solution, so we're never going to have peace without justice. | 0:48:37 | 0:48:41 | |
Sorry, what's...what's full justice? Is it one state or two states? | 0:48:41 | 0:48:45 | |
Full justice, simply, simply, simply is going from Ramallah to the beach, | 0:48:45 | 0:48:51 | |
having a moment of peace, and going back without being... | 0:48:51 | 0:48:55 | |
The beach in Israel? | 0:48:55 | 0:48:56 | |
The beach in Jaffa, in Agfa, in Haifa... | 0:48:56 | 0:48:59 | |
Which is in Israel. I know you call it Palestine, | 0:48:59 | 0:49:02 | |
-but they call it Israel. -They call it...in Israel, OK, to go, | 0:49:02 | 0:49:05 | |
and I don't, I don't really care if I'm ruled by a rabbi or a sheikh | 0:49:05 | 0:49:10 | |
or a PA or an Israel or whatever. | 0:49:10 | 0:49:12 | |
All I care is just to go peacefully, to move, | 0:49:12 | 0:49:16 | |
not being shot, not being harassed, | 0:49:16 | 0:49:18 | |
not being humiliated in the checkpoints, | 0:49:18 | 0:49:21 | |
just peacefully, just like that. | 0:49:21 | 0:49:23 | |
Want to have a beer on the beach, that's it. | 0:49:23 | 0:49:25 | |
While these young Palestinians want one state, | 0:49:27 | 0:49:30 | |
they don't want what the Israeli right wants, | 0:49:30 | 0:49:33 | |
one state whose dominant Jewish character is guaranteed. | 0:49:33 | 0:49:37 | |
If the Arab population becomes larger than the Jewish | 0:49:40 | 0:49:43 | |
population, it would be the end of the world's only Jewish state. | 0:49:43 | 0:49:47 | |
But if Israel remains in the West Bank without giving | 0:49:51 | 0:49:54 | |
Palestinians the vote, can it still claim to be democratic? | 0:49:54 | 0:50:00 | |
It can be Jewish or it can be democratic, | 0:50:00 | 0:50:02 | |
but if it wants to be Jewish AND democratic, which is...which was | 0:50:02 | 0:50:05 | |
what they intended when they set it up, it cannot, er, | 0:50:05 | 0:50:09 | |
swallow the West Bank, with all the Palestinians in it. | 0:50:09 | 0:50:13 | |
Israel, as we know it, will no longer exist. Either it... | 0:50:13 | 0:50:16 | |
Explain what you mean there. | 0:50:16 | 0:50:18 | |
Well, either it will be a unitary Jewish Arab state, | 0:50:18 | 0:50:24 | |
no longer a Zionist state dominated by a Jewish, er, national | 0:50:24 | 0:50:29 | |
ideology, but it will be a state in which 15 million people | 0:50:29 | 0:50:32 | |
all have the vote - one man one vote - | 0:50:32 | 0:50:35 | |
and whoever's President or Prime Minister | 0:50:35 | 0:50:37 | |
or Chief of Staff or Chief of Police could be Muslim, | 0:50:37 | 0:50:41 | |
Christian, Jewish, but it's no longer a Jewish state, | 0:50:41 | 0:50:43 | |
it's just another state, so Zionism, | 0:50:43 | 0:50:46 | |
which posited Jewish sovereignty, erm, last...put in a good 100 years, | 0:50:46 | 0:50:50 | |
and that's that. And, you know, the Arabs have argued, | 0:50:50 | 0:50:54 | |
since the dawn of Zionism, | 0:50:54 | 0:50:56 | |
that this is just another crusader epoch in Palestinian. | 0:50:56 | 0:51:00 | |
Crusader state lasted 150 or whatever years | 0:51:00 | 0:51:03 | |
and then it vanished. | 0:51:03 | 0:51:04 | |
-So what should Israel do? -It should get the hell out of there. | 0:51:04 | 0:51:08 | |
David Landau is not alone. | 0:51:08 | 0:51:11 | |
A growing number of high-ranking Israelis have called for ending | 0:51:11 | 0:51:15 | |
the occupation without waiting for a peace deal with the Palestinians. | 0:51:15 | 0:51:20 | |
But the Netanyahu government shows no sign of withdrawing, | 0:51:20 | 0:51:25 | |
and this is damaging an image already tarnished | 0:51:25 | 0:51:29 | |
by the use of overwhelming force. | 0:51:29 | 0:51:31 | |
WAILING AND SOBBING | 0:51:36 | 0:51:39 | |
When Israel invaded Gaza in 2008, far from sympathising | 0:51:39 | 0:51:43 | |
with Israel, that it was acting in self-defence, what the world saw | 0:51:43 | 0:51:47 | |
were pictures of dead Palestinians. | 0:51:47 | 0:51:51 | |
This is Habima, Israel's national theatre in Tel Aviv, | 0:52:01 | 0:52:05 | |
performing The Merchant Of Venice. | 0:52:05 | 0:52:08 | |
The Jewish money lender, Shylock, is getting beaten up. | 0:52:08 | 0:52:11 | |
Today, it's Israelis who feel that they're getting a good kicking | 0:52:11 | 0:52:15 | |
on the international stage. | 0:52:15 | 0:52:17 | |
Last summer, in London, this performance | 0:52:24 | 0:52:27 | |
was disrupted by members of a growing global campaign | 0:52:27 | 0:52:30 | |
aimed at boycotting Israel on every front - | 0:52:30 | 0:52:34 | |
economic, academic and even cultural. | 0:52:34 | 0:52:37 | |
In the theatre foyer, I met Eytan Schwartz, | 0:52:41 | 0:52:44 | |
who's fighting against the boycott on behalf of Tel Aviv. | 0:52:44 | 0:52:47 | |
I belong to the political camp who sees... | 0:52:49 | 0:52:52 | |
..our control of Palestinian territories as something wrong. | 0:52:53 | 0:52:56 | |
I would rather see the Israelis withdraw, us withdraw, | 0:52:56 | 0:52:58 | |
immediately from the Palestinian territories, hand it over | 0:52:58 | 0:53:01 | |
to them, let them live their lives and have a prosperous state, | 0:53:01 | 0:53:04 | |
I hope for them and I hope for us that's what's going to happen very soon. | 0:53:04 | 0:53:07 | |
Having said that, and while I oppose my current government's policy, | 0:53:07 | 0:53:12 | |
I still can't understand the amount of criticism against | 0:53:12 | 0:53:15 | |
this government, or any Israeli government, | 0:53:15 | 0:53:18 | |
in comparison to the treatment that other governments or nations | 0:53:18 | 0:53:21 | |
receive around the world for conflicts that they have. | 0:53:21 | 0:53:24 | |
I don't like the fact that British troops were involved | 0:53:24 | 0:53:27 | |
in killing dozens, hundreds of civilians in Afghanistan. | 0:53:27 | 0:53:31 | |
I don't like that fact, but that's not my business as an Israeli | 0:53:31 | 0:53:35 | |
to draw moral judgement about the actions | 0:53:35 | 0:53:37 | |
of the British Army in Afghanistan, | 0:53:37 | 0:53:39 | |
thousands and thousands of miles away from the UK. | 0:53:39 | 0:53:43 | |
So you're saying that Israel is held | 0:53:43 | 0:53:46 | |
-to an even higher standard than comparable democracies? -Absolutely. | 0:53:46 | 0:53:50 | |
On President Obama's recent visit, the Americans warned | 0:53:52 | 0:53:55 | |
of the dangers of trying to settle the conflict | 0:53:55 | 0:53:58 | |
with the Palestinians on the basis of biblical borders. | 0:53:58 | 0:54:02 | |
Israel's shriller critics sometimes ignore the fact that Zionism | 0:54:05 | 0:54:10 | |
began as a secular liberation movement, | 0:54:10 | 0:54:13 | |
much like any other to free a persecuted people. | 0:54:13 | 0:54:16 | |
Its founding fathers hoped to confine theocracy to the temples. | 0:54:17 | 0:54:21 | |
So what are the chances that Israel will survive as a secular | 0:54:24 | 0:54:28 | |
Jewish and democratic state? | 0:54:28 | 0:54:31 | |
One man who's seen it all is one of Israel's spy masters - | 0:54:31 | 0:54:35 | |
Efraim Halevy. | 0:54:35 | 0:54:37 | |
He came to this country as a young teenager in 1948, | 0:54:37 | 0:54:42 | |
later rose quickly through the ranks of the Mossad, | 0:54:42 | 0:54:45 | |
and served under five Israeli Prime Ministers, | 0:54:45 | 0:54:48 | |
including the current one. | 0:54:48 | 0:54:51 | |
'To Halevy, the growth of religious ideology | 0:54:51 | 0:54:54 | |
'on both sides of this conflict leaves Israel with only one option.' | 0:54:54 | 0:54:59 | |
I don't think there could be a solution | 0:55:01 | 0:55:03 | |
-to the problem between us and the Palestinians. -Ever? | 0:55:03 | 0:55:05 | |
-Ideologically, there cannot be an end of conflict. -Ever? | 0:55:05 | 0:55:09 | |
Ever. Both sides claim to have rights on this land, | 0:55:09 | 0:55:14 | |
and they claim that they are the only ones that have rights | 0:55:14 | 0:55:17 | |
on this land, and no side can in any way, er, | 0:55:17 | 0:55:21 | |
forgo its rights on every inch | 0:55:21 | 0:55:24 | |
of territory, because it's holy land, | 0:55:24 | 0:55:28 | |
so the whole issue of rights, | 0:55:28 | 0:55:31 | |
if you want to pursue it, | 0:55:31 | 0:55:34 | |
you're pursuing a path which will lead you nowhere, | 0:55:34 | 0:55:38 | |
it will lead you into permanent conflict. | 0:55:38 | 0:55:42 | |
We can't sustain permanent conflict, | 0:55:42 | 0:55:44 | |
they can't sustain permanent conflict in the end. | 0:55:44 | 0:55:46 | |
Israel has been at many crossroads in its relatively | 0:55:46 | 0:55:50 | |
short existence - is it now at a major crossroads? | 0:55:50 | 0:55:55 | |
Yes, we'll have to come to terms and face our destiny, | 0:55:55 | 0:55:59 | |
we'll have to decide what is the more important - | 0:55:59 | 0:56:03 | |
the land or the nation? | 0:56:03 | 0:56:05 | |
And in the past, the more, erm, | 0:56:07 | 0:56:10 | |
moderate religious people in this country recognise | 0:56:10 | 0:56:14 | |
that you have to give the priority to the people and not to the land. | 0:56:14 | 0:56:21 | |
I believe, in the end, we will survive | 0:56:21 | 0:56:23 | |
-as a Jewish democratic state. -You do? -Yes. | 0:56:23 | 0:56:26 | |
In the end, the right sentiments will prevail, | 0:56:26 | 0:56:31 | |
but it will be...it will not happen before one minute before midnight. | 0:56:31 | 0:56:36 | |
It'll only happen when the leader will stand there | 0:56:36 | 0:56:39 | |
and say, look there's nothing left now, you know, | 0:56:39 | 0:56:41 | |
if you open the door, you'll just find...a cliff. | 0:56:41 | 0:56:44 | |
It sounds to me as if you're saying...I'm optimistic. | 0:56:44 | 0:56:48 | |
Yeah, I'm optimistic, yes. | 0:56:48 | 0:56:50 | |
I'm optimistic and... | 0:56:50 | 0:56:53 | |
I was here in 1948 and I saw as a boy... | 0:56:53 | 0:56:58 | |
-The war of independence. -..the war of independence. | 0:56:58 | 0:57:00 | |
And I saw the suffering and the sorrow | 0:57:00 | 0:57:03 | |
and the dead and the wounded. | 0:57:03 | 0:57:04 | |
And I saw what this did to the population and I saw the immigrants | 0:57:04 | 0:57:09 | |
who were coming in from Eastern Europe, came here in tatters. | 0:57:09 | 0:57:13 | |
And now look at the skyline. | 0:57:13 | 0:57:14 | |
And now look at the skyline. Exactly. | 0:57:14 | 0:57:16 | |
Optimism and resilience have been the life-force of the Jewish people, | 0:57:17 | 0:57:21 | |
surviving 3,000 years and against all the odds. | 0:57:21 | 0:57:26 | |
It was this that finally secured the Israeli state, secular | 0:57:26 | 0:57:30 | |
and democratic, in the biblical land of their ancestors. | 0:57:30 | 0:57:34 | |
Now a biblically inspired nationalism is challenging | 0:57:34 | 0:57:39 | |
the secular and democratic values of Israel's founding fathers. | 0:57:39 | 0:57:44 | |
Upon the outcome of this battle will depend the next chapter | 0:57:44 | 0:57:47 | |
in the history of the Jewish people. | 0:57:47 | 0:57:51 | |
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