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Hello. Sorry to disturb you. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:36 | |
Naomi Long from the Alliance Party. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:38 | |
Yeah, uh-huh. I'm just calling about the election. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:41 | |
'Politics is an all-consuming kind of a role. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:44 | |
'I don't want to spend the rest of my life in Northern Ireland' | 0:00:44 | 0:00:48 | |
throwing my shoes at the television and getting annoyed when I see | 0:00:48 | 0:00:52 | |
things that I feel are wrong. I'm the kind of person - | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
and I always have been the kind of person - | 0:00:55 | 0:00:56 | |
who believes in trying to find solutions. | 0:00:56 | 0:00:58 | |
Posters. Everywhere you look, there's posters. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
'They are huge demands to stand for election. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
'They're huge demands on family life. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:14 | |
'They are huge demands on personal life.' | 0:01:14 | 0:01:16 | |
The Ulster Unionist Party. That's myself, Doug Beattie. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
'But the prize is massive.' | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
If you win, you get a chance to represent these people. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:26 | |
Listen, lovely talking to yous, OK? | 0:01:26 | 0:01:28 | |
Lovely talking to you. Sorry for taking your time up. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:30 | |
No problem. You're all right. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:31 | |
THEY CHEER | 0:01:31 | 0:01:33 | |
I think it's an incredibly interesting job, but I really enjoy getting out there, meeting people, | 0:01:35 | 0:01:39 | |
listening to their issues. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:40 | |
I see myself as a natural problem solver. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
If I see an issue, I love to get involved in it and try to bring about a solution. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:47 | |
I think that that works very well | 0:01:47 | 0:01:49 | |
with being an elected representative | 0:01:49 | 0:01:51 | |
and I think that if we do that, we can rebuild, perhaps, | 0:01:51 | 0:01:53 | |
some of the trust that has been lost in the past. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:57 | |
You know, we need to attract capable people into politics. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:00 | |
We need to attract passionate, hard-working people into politics. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
We'll meet tonight just at about half eight at the house, | 0:02:04 | 0:02:08 | |
just to kind of get our... Game plan? | 0:02:08 | 0:02:10 | |
Yeah, get our game plan on. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:11 | |
Yeah. And then everybody in bed, lights out by 11 o'clock. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:14 | |
The people look at politics, they turn on the Assembly, | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
they turn on the programmes, and they only see the same two men - | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
and usually it is men - | 0:02:21 | 0:02:22 | |
having the same argument that they've had for 20 years, | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
and you know that certainly women and younger people mightn't think | 0:02:25 | 0:02:29 | |
that that's, you know, something that they can possibly do. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:32 | |
So, in that respect, | 0:02:32 | 0:02:34 | |
it is bums on seats have to change a little bit. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
The line-up of the politicians they see needs to be more reflective. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:41 | |
I spent every day in the last four years trying to really earn my seat | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
and, you know, since then we've seen more and more young people come into | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
politics, of all different backgrounds, | 0:02:53 | 0:02:55 | |
which I think is really important, | 0:02:55 | 0:02:57 | |
because I don't think that we're going to see the type of changes | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
that we need in our society | 0:03:00 | 0:03:01 | |
unless we have those different kinds of voices, you know, | 0:03:01 | 0:03:03 | |
saying different things and representing different generations. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
Democracy, of course, is about people, | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
trying to make sure that we're relevant | 0:03:19 | 0:03:21 | |
to the people that elect us. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:23 | |
And I know we've come from a background of violence, if you like, | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
over the '70s and '80s and '90s, | 0:03:26 | 0:03:28 | |
and so people see it as a black-and-white sectarian issue, | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
sometimes, in Northern Ireland, but, of course, what happens up at Stormont | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
is not about that at all. It's about education, | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
it's about being able to deliver good health care, | 0:03:37 | 0:03:39 | |
being able to bring more jobs into Northern Ireland. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
So to be relevant to people, I think, is the key part of a democracy. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
I believe in devolution. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:49 | |
We need to get power off that hill down into our councils, | 0:03:49 | 0:03:53 | |
through our councils, | 0:03:53 | 0:03:54 | |
into communities and as close to the family unit as you can. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
We shouldn't have thousands of people leaving our shores, | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
we shouldn't have people feeling that they can't achieve their full potential in Northern Ireland, | 0:04:00 | 0:04:05 | |
but all those things are changeable if we have an Assembly | 0:04:05 | 0:04:08 | |
that's more about delivery, more about policy development | 0:04:08 | 0:04:10 | |
and more about actually changing the face of Northern Ireland, | 0:04:10 | 0:04:13 | |
and much less about congratulating ourselves on historic handshakes. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:17 | |
We have to move on from those days. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:19 | |
If people listen, if people take account of what feelings are | 0:04:21 | 0:04:25 | |
amongst their constituents, | 0:04:25 | 0:04:27 | |
then we have a much better chance of delivering good policy for Northern Ireland | 0:04:27 | 0:04:31 | |
than direct-rule ministers flying in for a day a week from London. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
What joins us together is the agreements that we've made | 0:04:37 | 0:04:40 | |
over the course of the last 20 years. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:42 | |
And I think it's very important that we all recognise that increasingly | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
the world is becoming more cosmopolitan, | 0:04:46 | 0:04:49 | |
and that requires all of us to be more broad-minded | 0:04:49 | 0:04:51 | |
and more respectful of other cultures. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:54 | |
I grew up in Markethill, which is just on the edge of South Armagh. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:35 | |
In the '80s and '90s, it suffered a huge amount during the Troubles. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:41 | |
It was, you know, a very politicised time right across Northern Ireland | 0:05:41 | 0:05:45 | |
and I think, you know, for my generation, | 0:05:45 | 0:05:47 | |
even though, you know, like, I was sort of ten in 1990, | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
it was on the news all of the time. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:51 | |
There was significant amount of discussion with it within families, | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
I think, as well. So, yes, we were very politically attuned, | 0:05:54 | 0:05:58 | |
you know, very, very conscious of what the issues were. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:00 | |
So, I've got about 50 or 60 of these to put up. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
And the right way round, yeah! | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
Really, my first proper engagement with politics came about at Queen's University, | 0:06:07 | 0:06:11 | |
where when I came in I stood for election to the student council, | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
through a lot of the passion and the anger | 0:06:14 | 0:06:16 | |
and my very strong views on a whole range of issues. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
After working for...well, 15 years with one single determination | 0:06:20 | 0:06:24 | |
to become a lawyer, I suppose I stepped back and said, | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
"Right, I'm now a barrister. Where do I go from here?" | 0:06:27 | 0:06:31 | |
And it was... It was actually quite a strange period of my life of, | 0:06:31 | 0:06:35 | |
you know, having achieved something that I'd worked really hard for, | 0:06:35 | 0:06:39 | |
I suppose, trying to find then something else which would | 0:06:39 | 0:06:43 | |
drive me forward for the next while. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:45 | |
There's a lot of similarities, actually, being a lawyer, a barrister and being a politician, | 0:06:46 | 0:06:50 | |
in the sense of I'm listening to constituents. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:52 | |
I'm helping and supporting them and giving them advice about how to | 0:06:52 | 0:06:55 | |
navigate towards a solution that they want, | 0:06:55 | 0:06:57 | |
but also that I am an advocate for them | 0:06:57 | 0:06:59 | |
and that I'm working incredibly hard for them, | 0:06:59 | 0:07:01 | |
and I think that that's what it should... | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
You know, this job should be about. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:05 | |
ACTIVISTS CHAT | 0:07:05 | 0:07:06 | |
Some of our local activists here in Dromintee, | 0:07:11 | 0:07:13 | |
we're just meeting up and dividing up roads between us, | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
whatever we have left to cover, | 0:07:16 | 0:07:17 | |
so we're trying to knock every single door and trying to talk to | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
as many people as possible. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:22 | |
But I suppose it's about trying to lift the profile of the election as well, | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
to let people know it's on, so that we don't have a low turnout, | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
and just so people are aware that they have to go out and vote on the 5th of May, so... | 0:07:28 | 0:07:32 | |
I was born in 1991, so I was three at the time of the ceasefire | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
and seven at the time of the Good Friday Agreement, but, you know, | 0:07:36 | 0:07:40 | |
South Armagh growing up was one of the most militarised areas | 0:07:40 | 0:07:42 | |
of Western Europe, so it was kind of inescapable. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
There was a very large, | 0:07:45 | 0:07:47 | |
disruptive and unwanted military occupation, | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
er, and that was quite evident in our everyday lives, and, you know, | 0:07:50 | 0:07:54 | |
that was there right up until 2007, so it's not exactly, you know, | 0:07:54 | 0:07:59 | |
ancient history at this stage, so it was always very, you know, | 0:07:59 | 0:08:02 | |
present and to the fore of my thoughts, | 0:08:02 | 0:08:04 | |
and I think that's probably what sparked my own interest in politics. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:07 | |
Hiya! Hello, how are you? Megan Fearon. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
Hello, Megan. How are you? Nice to meet you. Brian... | 0:08:10 | 0:08:12 | |
Hello, Brian. How are you? How's things? | 0:08:12 | 0:08:14 | |
Best of luck. Thanks very much. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:16 | |
Great to see new blood. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:17 | |
I know! Thank you. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:19 | |
Well, we're really just out seeing if there's any issues | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
or any questions that we can answer for you or... | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
Maybe the roads. Yeah, I know, yeah. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
There's a lot of wear and tear on the roads. Yeah. You're not the first person to mention that. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:30 | |
Well, really, emigration's the big issue I'm worried about at the minute. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
A lot of young people that I've taught over the years, | 0:08:35 | 0:08:37 | |
eight out of ten are in Australia or England or the United States. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
You know? I know. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:42 | |
I come from quite a large Republican family, and, you know, | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
we've always been quite active in our community and that's one of | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
the things that I was kind of brought up with, | 0:08:50 | 0:08:53 | |
to place a massive importance on the strength of community, | 0:08:53 | 0:08:55 | |
and I think that's probably similar across rural areas | 0:08:55 | 0:08:59 | |
throughout Ireland, but particularly so where I'm from. You know, | 0:08:59 | 0:09:01 | |
there's a real close-knit sense of resilience and determination | 0:09:01 | 0:09:05 | |
to try and make our community better. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:07 | |
The Ulster Unionist Party have got good policies. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:20 | |
They're progressive policies, and they are policies that work, so, | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
you know, if you can look at that and maybe consider giving me a vote, | 0:09:23 | 0:09:27 | |
having read that. But certainly if you get a chance | 0:09:27 | 0:09:29 | |
to look at the policies the Ulster Unionist Party have, | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
I think it'll be good for the country in the long term. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
Is that OK? Yeah. OK. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:36 | |
Whenever I was younger, I used to play on the grassed area here. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:42 | |
I particularly remember the Queen's Silver Jubilee in '77, | 0:09:42 | 0:09:46 | |
er, where we set up a, um, street party on there, | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
then we played the adults against the kids football match, | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
all on the grass there. It was absolutely fantastic, and I remember it. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
When you're smaller, you always remember it as being so much bigger than it is. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
That's all done. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:00 | |
'I'm the son of a soldier, | 0:10:00 | 0:10:02 | |
'so I've sort of led a bit of a nomadic lifestyle.' | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
I hope you're not backtracking on yourself now. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:07 | |
'I've sort of travelled around' | 0:10:07 | 0:10:09 | |
with my father and mother, him being a soldier, um, | 0:10:09 | 0:10:11 | |
around the world and then, at the age of ten, | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
he finished his time in the military and we moved back | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
to Northern Ireland. We moved to a working-class area in Portadown. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:21 | |
Um, that's myself, Doug Beattie, for the elections on the 5th of May. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:25 | |
'And I grew up as a young boy, really just getting to know | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
'what Northern Ireland was all about and the situation there, | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
'because it was all very new and very alien to me.' | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
I got to know where I stood in society, as an Ulster Protestant. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:39 | |
Hiya! I understood then that there was Catholic Nationalists, | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
who lived on the other side of the wall, who we didn't mix with, | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
so I learnt all of these things, but they never changed my feelings of, | 0:10:46 | 0:10:51 | |
er, equality and inclusion, so that never changed that - | 0:10:51 | 0:10:55 | |
that remained throughout. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:56 | |
This one's for sale. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:00 | |
So I used to live in this house, um, with my mother, father | 0:11:00 | 0:11:04 | |
and six kids - three girls and three boys. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
And it's all a little bit surreal to come back, um, | 0:11:07 | 0:11:11 | |
to the house that I grew up in | 0:11:11 | 0:11:13 | |
and I remember with such huge fond memories - | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
and terrible memories too, because, you know, | 0:11:15 | 0:11:18 | |
burying your mother at the age of 14, 15 | 0:11:18 | 0:11:20 | |
is quite traumatic, with cancer, | 0:11:20 | 0:11:22 | |
and it was pretty aggressive cancer and it wasn't nice. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
My last sort of year and a half in here, | 0:11:25 | 0:11:27 | |
with just me and my father living in here on my own, and my father, um, | 0:11:27 | 0:11:32 | |
was grief-stricken with the loss of his wife. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:34 | |
He turned to alcohol and there was only me to sort of | 0:11:34 | 0:11:38 | |
keep him going in life. And I remember he used to come | 0:11:38 | 0:11:40 | |
and wake me up at two o'clock in the morning | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
to come down and sit with him while he played songs | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
that him and my mother used to listen to, um, | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
and I would go to bed and have to get up for school in the morning, | 0:11:48 | 0:11:50 | |
and school's the other end of town, the Portadown Tech, so, you know, | 0:11:50 | 0:11:54 | |
it was a difficult time but a nostalgic time, as well, | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
as a young boy of ten. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:00 | |
MUFFLED OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS | 0:12:09 | 0:12:13 | |
That's my point. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:14 | |
This would be much more plausible if you voted for the teacher exception | 0:12:14 | 0:12:18 | |
and if you'd voted for integrating the teacher training in one place, | 0:12:18 | 0:12:22 | |
neither of which any of the parties up here, who were in the Executive, did! | 0:12:22 | 0:12:26 | |
I'm going to address exactly that. In practice, you did nothing! | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
We need to say... So, again, | 0:12:29 | 0:12:30 | |
my sister lives 300 yards away from | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
her brilliant, local Catholic primary, | 0:12:33 | 0:12:35 | |
so she's not rejecting... Why shouldn't she send her child there? | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
So, one, integrated, as you know, | 0:12:38 | 0:12:40 | |
isn't just about deleting the Catholic sector... | 0:12:40 | 0:12:42 | |
No, no, of course not! | 0:12:42 | 0:12:44 | |
'Politics was always a thing, was always in our house. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:48 | |
'It was never in any way shoved down our throats.' | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
It was a very open household, | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
a lot of discussion and different viewpoints | 0:12:53 | 0:12:55 | |
and I suppose the central one | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
being that there was an alternative to how things were going, | 0:12:57 | 0:13:01 | |
that, while you could have your identity, | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
and it was a house that was, you know, proud of its Irishness. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
Irish was spoken in the house. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:09 | |
We were, you know, very culturally engaged. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
The growing up I had, off the Lisburn Road, | 0:13:13 | 0:13:15 | |
was very different in terms, primarily, of integration, you know. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:19 | |
All faiths and none lived side by side in South Belfast, | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
and that was something that probably shapes your politics much more | 0:13:22 | 0:13:27 | |
than if everybody in your street | 0:13:27 | 0:13:28 | |
is of a similar background or maybe viewpoint. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:32 | |
I think a lot of the hope and optimism | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
that I remember from 18 years ago is gone, and we CAN get it back, | 0:13:35 | 0:13:39 | |
but I suppose those parties who are steering it at the moment had to be | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
dragged kicking and screaming into reconciliation and partnership, | 0:13:42 | 0:13:46 | |
and continue to sort of poke each other in the eye | 0:13:46 | 0:13:48 | |
and I don't think that was envisaged | 0:13:48 | 0:13:50 | |
when we thought that people would work together in partnership. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:52 | |
We were supposed to be building up trust with each other. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
I became quite politically aware around the Good Friday Agreement. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
I was 17 when it was signed, | 0:13:58 | 0:14:00 | |
and I suppose the central concept that I grew up with, | 0:14:00 | 0:14:03 | |
particularly in our family, | 0:14:03 | 0:14:05 | |
that you can be a Nationalist or you can be a Unionist, | 0:14:05 | 0:14:08 | |
but there are acres of common ground to work with your neighbours, | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
and that didn't seem to be reflected in politics, | 0:14:11 | 0:14:16 | |
and that simple concept | 0:14:16 | 0:14:17 | |
was something that I felt WAS lacking in that period, so, | 0:14:17 | 0:14:22 | |
if you have the opportunity to have a crack at it and try and put | 0:14:22 | 0:14:27 | |
a different viewpoint, certainly, I feel you have to take it. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
Alliance is standing 23 candidates in all 18 constituencies. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:39 | |
Welcome, Naomi. Good afternoon to you. Thank you very much, William. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
What are you hoping to do in this Assembly, if you are elected, | 0:14:42 | 0:14:44 | |
if the party increases its vote? | 0:14:44 | 0:14:46 | |
What we want to see is an end to the division, | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
to the delay and to the stagnation in Stormont. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:51 | |
Naomi Long is here until one o'clock taking your calls today... | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
'With politics part of life, I think, | 0:14:54 | 0:14:56 | |
'having been born at the end of 1971, | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
'so right at the beginning of the Troubles, | 0:14:59 | 0:15:01 | |
'it was impossible to grow up in Northern Ireland | 0:15:01 | 0:15:03 | |
'without politics being part of life.' | 0:15:03 | 0:15:05 | |
And I remember incidents when I was growing up | 0:15:05 | 0:15:07 | |
where my mum took a stand as a woman living alone | 0:15:07 | 0:15:11 | |
in a very predominantly Loyalist community, | 0:15:11 | 0:15:13 | |
where she felt people were doing things that she didn't approve of. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
I remember there were workmen who came from the Republic of Ireland | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
to work opposite our home | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
and in response to that, | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
people started to paint kerbs in the street and so on, | 0:15:24 | 0:15:26 | |
deliberately to make them feel uncomfortable. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:28 | |
She stood up to that and challenged it and said it was wrong, | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
wouldn't contribute to any money to the painting, | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
and asked them not to paint the kerbs outside our house. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:37 | |
Now, that might seem like a very trivial thing but, actually, | 0:15:37 | 0:15:40 | |
when you're living in a community where speaking out can have | 0:15:40 | 0:15:44 | |
consequences, it was quite a brave thing to do and, as a result, | 0:15:44 | 0:15:48 | |
we got a massive Union flag painted on the road outside house | 0:15:48 | 0:15:51 | |
with "remember 1690" and "no surrender", | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
so we were taught our lesson - that you weren't meant to speak out. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:58 | |
But she did! | 0:15:58 | 0:16:00 | |
There will be responsibilities for ALL ministers | 0:16:00 | 0:16:03 | |
in delivering this, whether it is... | 0:16:03 | 0:16:04 | |
'She instilled in me the belief that we all have | 0:16:04 | 0:16:07 | |
'an individual responsibility to stand up for what we believe in. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
'I guess my mum's politics...' | 0:16:10 | 0:16:12 | |
I would say she moved from being a fairly traditional Unionist | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
actually to quite an avid supporter of Alliance, | 0:16:15 | 0:16:18 | |
in terms of what I was doing, | 0:16:18 | 0:16:20 | |
but also in terms of what the party was doing, | 0:16:20 | 0:16:22 | |
because it resonated with that part of her | 0:16:22 | 0:16:24 | |
that really believed that justice mattered, | 0:16:24 | 0:16:26 | |
that treating people with respect mattered, | 0:16:26 | 0:16:28 | |
that the rule of law mattered. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:30 | |
Those were things that I was raised to believe in and those are things | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
that I found reflected in the Alliance Party when I joined. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:37 | |
When the election comes, | 0:16:46 | 0:16:48 | |
there'll be people casting a vote | 0:16:48 | 0:16:50 | |
who weren't even born on Good Friday 1998. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
The Good Friday Agreement is no longer a tender young child. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:58 | |
It's not even the age of a quarrelsome, difficult teenager. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:02 | |
It's now attaining its maturity | 0:17:02 | 0:17:04 | |
and it really is time that every political party grew up | 0:17:04 | 0:17:07 | |
and ensured that we delivered on the promises that people expected. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:11 | |
We have a peace process that's solid. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:18 | |
We have a political process that's there and stable, and we have people | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
working together. And it's fantastic. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
And we should all be very grateful for the people who got us here. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
It doesn't mean we should be happy with our current circumstances. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:31 | |
We should be very impatient for change. We should say, | 0:17:31 | 0:17:35 | |
"What are you actually achieving and delivering and changing?" | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
That's where people are, I think. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:39 | |
It's great that we have the Assembly, | 0:17:39 | 0:17:42 | |
but we now need an Assembly that actually delivers. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:45 | |
I think the authors of the Agreement in '98 did not envision a position | 0:17:50 | 0:17:54 | |
where any party would become as dominant | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
as the DUP and Sinn Fein have been. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
But if we were in England, if we were in Scotland, | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
if we were in Wales, if we were in the Republic of Ireland, | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
I think the voters would look at the record of the last two mandates | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
and say, "I tell you what, | 0:18:09 | 0:18:11 | |
"take a break, guys, take a rest. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
"We're not desperately happy with what you've achieved, | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
"we're going to give somebody else a go." | 0:18:16 | 0:18:17 | |
That's what happens in a proper democracy. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:20 | |
There's no other part of the United Kingdom that has enforced | 0:18:24 | 0:18:27 | |
mandatory coalition. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:29 | |
In other words, the elections that are going to be taking place | 0:18:29 | 0:18:33 | |
are going to be about putting back, | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
who would say, the DUP and Sinn Fein in perpetuity, | 0:18:36 | 0:18:40 | |
for as long as they like, | 0:18:40 | 0:18:42 | |
because they HAVE to be brought together. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:45 | |
That's what the Westminster government had decided. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
That's not democracy, as far as I'm concerned. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
I suppose the truth is this - | 0:18:51 | 0:18:53 | |
that if you say to politicians anywhere across the world, | 0:18:53 | 0:18:55 | |
"We can create for you a system | 0:18:55 | 0:18:57 | |
"whereby you will always be in government, | 0:18:57 | 0:19:01 | |
"you will never be in opposition," | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
most politicians, being selfish individuals, will say, | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
"Sounds good to me." But it's not good for the people. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:11 | |
Well, I think sometimes people can be very complacent | 0:19:11 | 0:19:15 | |
about where we are at the moment and I think, | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
if you look at the situation here | 0:19:18 | 0:19:20 | |
in the north of Ireland for the last 20 years, | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
we have moved from a place of intense conflict and militarism | 0:19:23 | 0:19:29 | |
on the streets to a place of peace. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
You go out onto the streets of Belfast now, | 0:19:35 | 0:19:37 | |
and other parts of the north, everywhere has changed. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:40 | |
Yes, there are still people out there | 0:19:40 | 0:19:41 | |
who are opposed to the peace process | 0:19:41 | 0:19:43 | |
and there are people out there who are involved in criminality, | 0:19:43 | 0:19:46 | |
but it bears no relationship whatsoever | 0:19:46 | 0:19:48 | |
to what the situation was 25 years ago, | 0:19:48 | 0:19:51 | |
and I think that's been a massive achievement. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
Now, in Northern Ireland, we're in a very good place of stability. | 0:19:56 | 0:20:00 | |
My children don't know what it was like in the '70s, '80s and '90s, | 0:20:00 | 0:20:04 | |
and I'm quite content that that is the case. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:06 | |
They're growing up in a period of stability. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:08 | |
Yes, there's much more to do, I know all of that, | 0:20:08 | 0:20:11 | |
but I think we are in a good place now | 0:20:11 | 0:20:13 | |
and we now need to keep moving forward in terms of reform. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
I want to see the Assembly reformed. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
I want to see more dynamic politics. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:29 | |
I want to see government be by voluntary coalition. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
But in order to do that, | 0:20:32 | 0:20:34 | |
we have to go back to why those institutions | 0:20:34 | 0:20:36 | |
are there in the first place, | 0:20:36 | 0:20:38 | |
and that means recognising the fact that we had a history of | 0:20:38 | 0:20:42 | |
discrimination against Nationalism | 0:20:42 | 0:20:44 | |
and those who held Nationalist viewpoints in this place, | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
so the mandatory coalition was needed to build that trust. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
Now, that trust is still lacking, | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
so, if people really want to see huge reform, | 0:20:53 | 0:20:55 | |
if they want to see a voluntary coalition, | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
they need to find ways of reassuring those in our society | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
who have long memories, | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
and who want to be sure that a voluntary coalition | 0:21:03 | 0:21:06 | |
isn't code for Unionist rule. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:08 | |
I think we have to be very cognisant of the fact that we are | 0:21:11 | 0:21:14 | |
a post-conflict society, | 0:21:14 | 0:21:16 | |
and our peace process and our political institutions are delicate | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
and we can't do anything that will in any way damage that. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
Obviously, there is provision there for an opposition | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
going into this next Assembly election, but for our part, | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
Sinn Fein are serious about going into government. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
We're running for election to actually be in government | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
and I think it's clear, judging by some other parties' manifestos, | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
that they are already gearing up for an opposition, | 0:21:37 | 0:21:39 | |
but we want to go into government and continue to deliver for people | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
and to continue to deliver on the peace that we already have. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:45 | |
No matter where we move to in the next number of years, | 0:21:47 | 0:21:50 | |
perhaps in the next number of decades, you know, | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
our policy will still require agreement. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:55 | |
You know, agreement requires compromise. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
It requires making sure that your key principles, your key policies, | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
those red-line issues, you know, that they're not compromised, | 0:22:01 | 0:22:05 | |
but that, on other issues, then you need to take into account | 0:22:05 | 0:22:07 | |
what are the important issues to somebody else? | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
That's a lengthy process, | 0:22:10 | 0:22:11 | |
but it is a process that is worth doing in order to get the outcome | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
and, you know, I think people need to be realistic about that. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:18 | |
Hello, sorry for disturbing you. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
Could I drop off this leaflet? You can indeed. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:22 | |
Thank you. That's great, thank you very much. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
Not at all. Well, that's just the copy, as you know, of our policies. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:29 | |
Yes. And my number's on the back, so anything I can do to help, | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
or any questions or anything, give me a call. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:34 | |
That'll do lovely. OK, thank you very much. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:36 | |
Lovely to meet you. Bye-bye. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:37 | |
'I think it's an incredibly interesting job. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:39 | |
'At times, it can be, I suppose, a little strange | 0:22:39 | 0:22:41 | |
'in terms of what you have to do. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:43 | |
'You would go up to a random door, rap the door' | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
and you've no idea what's going to be behind it, you've no idea | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
what questions, you don't know if that person's going to be friendly | 0:22:49 | 0:22:51 | |
or not friendly, so it is strange, but you do get used to it. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
And I've rapped... You know, since about January, | 0:22:54 | 0:22:56 | |
I've rapped about 13,000 doors at this point. | 0:22:56 | 0:22:58 | |
Hello, sorry for disturbing you. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:00 | |
'A lot of what I've done, | 0:23:00 | 0:23:02 | |
'over the course of the last five months that I've become an MLA,' | 0:23:02 | 0:23:06 | |
is really to try to get the message out to the people of South Belfast | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
who I am, what I'm prepared to do, what I want to do, | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
the fact that I am a hard worker, | 0:23:12 | 0:23:14 | |
somebody who's very passionate about issues, so, really, | 0:23:14 | 0:23:16 | |
a lot of it has been about communication with constituents, | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
just to make it absolutely clear for them who I am, | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
so that they can make an informed choice as well. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:24 | |
That was very difficult. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:38 | |
It was very challenging to understand the ins and outs of | 0:23:38 | 0:23:41 | |
what exactly had happened. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:43 | |
I was very conscious of that, even as a child. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:46 | |
There were four young children in the home | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
and my father was the person | 0:23:49 | 0:23:51 | |
who had worked, so very, very quickly, you know, immediately, | 0:23:51 | 0:23:55 | |
he had lost that income | 0:23:55 | 0:23:56 | |
and, you know, that was very, very challenging as well. | 0:23:56 | 0:23:59 | |
It was also incredibly challenging, I suppose, for my mum, you know, | 0:23:59 | 0:24:03 | |
to deal with the fallout from what had happened. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
It was a story that got a huge amount of coverage. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
I think there was, you know, | 0:24:09 | 0:24:11 | |
a lot of this kind of idea of your family and your life | 0:24:11 | 0:24:15 | |
being kind of all over the evening news, that kind of scrutiny, | 0:24:15 | 0:24:19 | |
the issues surrounding that, | 0:24:19 | 0:24:21 | |
so I think that was very difficult for her, | 0:24:21 | 0:24:23 | |
as a woman who was I think slightly younger than me at the time, | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
with four young children, and having to navigate her way through that. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
Whenever I decided, when I was 11 years of age, | 0:24:32 | 0:24:34 | |
I was going to be a lawyer, I don't know why, | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
I think I'm sure it was connected to what had happened and I suppose | 0:24:37 | 0:24:40 | |
the emotional issues that were ongoing at the time, | 0:24:40 | 0:24:42 | |
but my mother never turned round and said to me, | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
"Why don't you pick something a bit more realistic?" | 0:24:45 | 0:24:47 | |
She made it very clear, "If that's what you want to do, you CAN do it." | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
And I think, for me, the lesson I've taken from that | 0:24:50 | 0:24:53 | |
is how important that parental role about supporting aspirations, | 0:24:53 | 0:24:57 | |
but also, in a realistic way, saying, | 0:24:57 | 0:24:58 | |
"If you want to make your aspiration a reality, | 0:24:58 | 0:25:01 | |
"then you do need to work at it," | 0:25:01 | 0:25:02 | |
because the one critical difference is, | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
hard work can get you to where you need to be. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:07 | |
PLAYERS AND SUPPORTERS SHOUT | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
Well... | 0:25:16 | 0:25:17 | |
They're all in the colours. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:19 | |
'I do definitely feel a certain sense of responsibility, | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
'being a young woman in politics, particularly here, | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
'where there are so few of us,' | 0:25:25 | 0:25:26 | |
because I know, growing up, | 0:25:26 | 0:25:28 | |
I would have really looked up to a lot of our female politicians | 0:25:28 | 0:25:31 | |
and a lot of women within the Republican movement in general. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:34 | |
Is this the first half? | 0:25:34 | 0:25:35 | |
Yeah. It's only on? Right. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
I never really had my sights on being in frontline politics, | 0:25:38 | 0:25:42 | |
especially not at such an early age. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:44 | |
It was a massive honour to be asked by the party | 0:25:44 | 0:25:46 | |
to put my name in forward. I initially said no a few times. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:48 | |
I was very young at the time, I was only 20, | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
so it was obviously daunting and it was challenging. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
But I'd always been an advocate for having more young people and more | 0:25:55 | 0:25:59 | |
women in politics, so I felt I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't, you know, | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
at least try and take the opportunity | 0:26:02 | 0:26:04 | |
and see how it went for me. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:06 | |
Stormont is not the most welcoming place for a woman, first of all, | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
and it's certainly not overly welcoming for young people either, | 0:26:13 | 0:26:17 | |
and so I tick both boxes. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:18 | |
There was quite a lot of, you know, hostility going in. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:23 | |
People made it quite clear that they thought I shouldn't be there, | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
that I didn't deserve my place. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:27 | |
I had people saying that I was only there because I was a woman, | 0:26:27 | 0:26:31 | |
which is an insult to me. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:33 | |
I'm there because I was the right person for the job. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:35 | |
So it wasn't the most welcoming place to go into. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
And it did take a while to kind of adjust to those surroundings, but, | 0:26:38 | 0:26:42 | |
you know, it does kind of... I think, one day, it just hit me - | 0:26:42 | 0:26:45 | |
I'm there to do a job and I'm there to represent the people of my area | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
and I'm not going to let anyone and their outdated views | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
stop me from doing that. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:53 | |
PLAYERS AND SUPPORTERS SHOUT | 0:26:53 | 0:26:55 | |
WHISTLE BLOWS | 0:26:58 | 0:26:59 | |
WHISTLE BLOWS | 0:27:04 | 0:27:05 | |
At the age of 16, I decided I wanted to be a soldier. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:11 | |
The military was a tradition. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:13 | |
I didn't have that in my mind's eye that I wanted to do, | 0:27:13 | 0:27:17 | |
but in that moment in time, | 0:27:17 | 0:27:19 | |
I decided that, to make my father proud, | 0:27:19 | 0:27:21 | |
that I would join the Army and I did join the Army, | 0:27:21 | 0:27:23 | |
and I didn't tell my father till the day before I left that I'd joined | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
the Army, and I think, in that moment, | 0:27:26 | 0:27:28 | |
I saw something in my father's eyes, | 0:27:28 | 0:27:30 | |
which I hadn't seen for quite some time, and that was pride. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:33 | |
GUNFIRE | 0:27:39 | 0:27:42 | |
Yeah, fire now. Fire mortars now. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:47 | |
Over the top. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:49 | |
'I finished my last operational tour of duty as a soldier in 2011.' | 0:27:49 | 0:27:53 | |
That was in Afghanistan in 2011. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:54 | |
It was another hard tour of duty. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:56 | |
I want you to engage with the 50... | 0:27:56 | 0:27:58 | |
Here for 24 hours, and this is three days so far so, no, | 0:27:58 | 0:28:01 | |
we're going to be here for a while, I think. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:03 | |
Fighting has got this feeling where you're incredibly heightened | 0:28:05 | 0:28:09 | |
and the adrenaline is really pumping, | 0:28:09 | 0:28:11 | |
and you can hear the bullets whizzing past your head | 0:28:11 | 0:28:13 | |
and you feel virtually invincible, | 0:28:13 | 0:28:15 | |
but then it ends. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:17 | |
It's like coming off a drug. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:23 | |
And when you come off a drug, it can lead you to absolute tears, | 0:28:23 | 0:28:26 | |
or feelings of worthlessness or feelings of depression. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:29 | |
When I think about killing another human being, | 0:28:29 | 0:28:32 | |
I can't be proud of that. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:34 | |
And when you're there, when you're fighting, there's reason, | 0:28:36 | 0:28:39 | |
there's rationale for it, and you can give credence to it, | 0:28:39 | 0:28:42 | |
but when you come back and you're with your family or friends | 0:28:42 | 0:28:45 | |
or you're having a pint in the pub and you think about it, | 0:28:45 | 0:28:47 | |
you can't give it a rationale. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:49 | |
I say to people that, when you're standing in Afghanistan, | 0:28:49 | 0:28:52 | |
you cannot imagine yourself standing in Tesco's, | 0:28:52 | 0:28:54 | |
but when you're in Tesco's, | 0:28:54 | 0:28:56 | |
you can't imagine yourself standing in Afghanistan. | 0:28:56 | 0:28:58 | |
There's just real sort of light and dark. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:01 | |
What I haven't lost is that feeling of wanting to serve the people | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
and whenever I came back to Northern Ireland | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
and I see that serving my country through the military | 0:29:11 | 0:29:13 | |
is no longer an option, | 0:29:13 | 0:29:15 | |
I still want to serve the people | 0:29:15 | 0:29:17 | |
and I want to serve the people of my own hometown now, | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
and the best way to do that is in the political arena, | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
so councillor first and, um, now as a MLA, | 0:29:23 | 0:29:27 | |
I want to bring those values and standards | 0:29:27 | 0:29:29 | |
that I have learnt in 34 years in the military. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
I want to bring them to Stormont, | 0:29:32 | 0:29:34 | |
I want to use them in Stormont, I want to have integrity, | 0:29:34 | 0:29:36 | |
I want to show them honesty, | 0:29:36 | 0:29:38 | |
I want to show them selfless commitment and respect for others, | 0:29:38 | 0:29:41 | |
and I... Above all else, | 0:29:41 | 0:29:43 | |
I want to make sure that the people of this great town | 0:29:43 | 0:29:46 | |
and Upper Bann are represented properly. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:50 | |
If you tell people, "I'm going to do something for you," | 0:29:59 | 0:30:03 | |
and you don't do it, then you deserve to get kicked out. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:07 | |
But if you hedge your bets all the time, | 0:30:07 | 0:30:10 | |
and don't tell anybody that you're really going to do anything, | 0:30:10 | 0:30:14 | |
then the people just get frustrated. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:16 | |
That's why they don't vote. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:18 | |
If you look at the patterns, in 1998, | 0:30:20 | 0:30:23 | |
81% voted in the referendum on the Belfast Agreement. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:27 | |
In the last Assembly election in 2011, in my own constituency, | 0:30:27 | 0:30:32 | |
just under half of all eligible voters did not bother. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:36 | |
Now, I hear some people say we should make it compulsory, | 0:30:36 | 0:30:39 | |
as they do in countries like Australia. I say no. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:42 | |
If there is a problem, it is not with the voter, | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
it's with the politicians. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:47 | |
It's up to us to make the proposition, | 0:30:50 | 0:30:53 | |
to deliver the outcomes that make people | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
feel that politics and government, | 0:30:56 | 0:30:58 | |
and particularly devolved government at Stormont, | 0:30:58 | 0:31:00 | |
is something worth supporting. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:03 | |
People sometimes say, | 0:31:06 | 0:31:08 | |
"Oh, it doesn't really matter if I vote or not." | 0:31:08 | 0:31:10 | |
But, really, I take the view that if you want to criticise, | 0:31:10 | 0:31:14 | |
if you want to say what you think of your politicians, | 0:31:14 | 0:31:17 | |
then you really do have to vote | 0:31:17 | 0:31:18 | |
because then you're giving your view | 0:31:18 | 0:31:20 | |
as to what way you want to see the country going forward. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:23 | |
Bad politicians are elected by good people who don't vote. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:26 | |
We need to engage in the political process. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:29 | |
People's frustration at the lack of delivery from Stormont | 0:31:29 | 0:31:31 | |
isn't cured by staying at home. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:33 | |
It's actually cured by becoming involved in the political process. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:37 | |
I want to see people understanding that, if you come out and vote, | 0:31:39 | 0:31:42 | |
you can actually change society. | 0:31:42 | 0:31:44 | |
Opposition structures in Stormont | 0:31:44 | 0:31:47 | |
will actually begin to open that door | 0:31:47 | 0:31:49 | |
to people understanding that we can have an alternative. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:51 | |
As long as we have power-sharing and equality provisions enshrined, | 0:31:51 | 0:31:54 | |
we can begin to have an alternative government | 0:31:54 | 0:31:57 | |
forming in Northern Ireland. | 0:31:57 | 0:31:58 | |
The incentive for many people to even bother voting is diminished, | 0:32:00 | 0:32:05 | |
and that is why, in Northern Ireland, | 0:32:05 | 0:32:07 | |
I believe the turnout has been falling, | 0:32:07 | 0:32:09 | |
cos if you say to people, "Oh, yes, you can have an election, | 0:32:09 | 0:32:12 | |
"but you can't change your government, | 0:32:12 | 0:32:14 | |
"you can't vote a party out of government," | 0:32:14 | 0:32:16 | |
why would you bother voting? | 0:32:16 | 0:32:18 | |
It would be liberating for democracy to bestow upon us the rights | 0:32:20 | 0:32:25 | |
taken for granted everywhere else and, thereby, | 0:32:25 | 0:32:28 | |
I think we would see an increased turnout at the polls. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
If you analyse the reasons why people don't vote, | 0:32:31 | 0:32:35 | |
and why, during the course of the last term of the Assembly, | 0:32:35 | 0:32:39 | |
we had these different problems, where for three years, almost, | 0:32:39 | 0:32:44 | |
the Executive were being described by commentators | 0:32:44 | 0:32:47 | |
and by even other politicians as being dysfunctional, | 0:32:47 | 0:32:51 | |
so I think all of that has a deep, motivating impact | 0:32:51 | 0:32:56 | |
on the electorate, and the only way to change all of that | 0:32:56 | 0:32:59 | |
is to make politics work. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:01 | |
I think people have a right to say, "Are we productive?" | 0:33:01 | 0:33:05 | |
And I don't think we've been as productive as we could be. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:08 | |
The problem is, when you give politicians power, | 0:33:08 | 0:33:11 | |
they guard it jealously. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:12 | |
I do still think we have a section of our politicians | 0:33:12 | 0:33:16 | |
who still want to waste time | 0:33:16 | 0:33:18 | |
rehashing the old arguments that we've been having for decades. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:23 | |
You know, I have seen some of our politicians almost, you know, | 0:33:23 | 0:33:27 | |
a relief, when we were back talking about flags. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:30 | |
It's like, "This is what we know, what we got into politics for." | 0:33:30 | 0:33:34 | |
People will feel strongly about issues - | 0:33:37 | 0:33:40 | |
that's part of democracy. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:42 | |
Should that be about fracking or should it be about animal rights, | 0:33:44 | 0:33:48 | |
should it be about flags issues, you know, | 0:33:48 | 0:33:50 | |
this is a democratic society where people have the right to come out | 0:33:50 | 0:33:53 | |
and protest and make their voices heard. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
I think that must be... In fact, | 0:33:56 | 0:33:58 | |
I would go so far as to say that that should be protected. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:01 | |
If that crosses into illegality, | 0:34:02 | 0:34:04 | |
then I think that then becomes a big challenge, that isn't right, | 0:34:04 | 0:34:08 | |
and, you know, if people want their particular view to be heard, | 0:34:08 | 0:34:12 | |
then they need to come out and vote | 0:34:12 | 0:34:13 | |
for people who support that particular view, | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
and that's the way democracy will work. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:18 | |
Really, what we need to do is try and find a basis | 0:34:20 | 0:34:23 | |
where we can respect difference. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:25 | |
And I think that's the biggest problem in Northern Ireland, | 0:34:25 | 0:34:28 | |
is people do not respect difference. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:31 | |
I still don't understand why we're still complaining about flags, | 0:34:31 | 0:34:34 | |
I still don't know why we're complaining about parades, | 0:34:34 | 0:34:37 | |
I still don't know why we're complaining about bonfires, | 0:34:37 | 0:34:41 | |
and all of this architecture which just makes our society combative. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:45 | |
Until we actually elect people in politics | 0:34:49 | 0:34:52 | |
who are sometimes willing to be controversial, | 0:34:52 | 0:34:55 | |
even within their own party, | 0:34:55 | 0:34:57 | |
I don't think we'll really gain the respect of the public | 0:34:57 | 0:34:59 | |
for the work that we do. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:02 | |
We've got to be willing to take a stand, | 0:35:02 | 0:35:04 | |
and I have met people who say to me, | 0:35:04 | 0:35:06 | |
"I fundamentally disagree with you on issues, | 0:35:06 | 0:35:08 | |
"but I respect the fact that you stand up for what you believe in." | 0:35:08 | 0:35:12 | |
And for me, that is actually more valuable than anything else | 0:35:12 | 0:35:15 | |
because your integrity is something that you don't lose in an election. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:20 | |
'The Alliance Party has borne the brunt of Loyalist anger and protests | 0:35:20 | 0:35:25 | |
'since Monday night's controversial vote on flying the Union flag | 0:35:25 | 0:35:28 | |
'at Belfast City Hall. In its aftermath, | 0:35:28 | 0:35:31 | |
'a death threat has been issued against Naomi Long, | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
'the party's MP for East Belfast. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:37 | |
'She was visited in the early hours of this morning by police, | 0:35:37 | 0:35:40 | |
'who've advised her to leave her home | 0:35:40 | 0:35:42 | |
'and stay away from her constituency office.' | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
I will not let that threat deter me from serving my constituents. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:49 | |
I will not let it influence the decisions that my party takes. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:52 | |
We will take our decisions based on principles, | 0:35:52 | 0:35:55 | |
based on furthering our beliefs and our objectives, | 0:35:55 | 0:35:57 | |
and delivering a shared future, | 0:35:57 | 0:35:59 | |
and we will not be deterred from that by violent people. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:02 | |
As you all know, we're now 18 years after the Good Friday Agreement. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:08 | |
We want to build on our clear vision of an inclusive, fair, | 0:36:08 | 0:36:12 | |
progressive society, where everyone is treated with respect | 0:36:12 | 0:36:15 | |
and with dignity. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:17 | |
I believed that, by getting involved in politics, | 0:36:19 | 0:36:22 | |
I was being put in a privileged position, | 0:36:22 | 0:36:24 | |
but with that privilege comes a responsibility and, every day, | 0:36:24 | 0:36:28 | |
there are people in my constituency who live with that fear and threat | 0:36:28 | 0:36:32 | |
who don't have the opportunity to articulate an alternative view. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:36 | |
They gave me the responsibility to do that on their behalf and so, | 0:36:36 | 0:36:39 | |
regardless of what happened outside, I had a responsibility to them | 0:36:39 | 0:36:44 | |
to continue to stand up against that kind of violence and intimidation. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:48 | |
That doesn't make it easier to deal with when you go home | 0:36:48 | 0:36:51 | |
and you close your door at night. You're human. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:54 | |
But at the end of the day, | 0:36:54 | 0:36:56 | |
you have a job to do and you've got to do it. | 0:36:56 | 0:36:58 | |
When we first moved here, | 0:36:58 | 0:37:01 | |
it was actually just around 2002, | 0:37:01 | 0:37:03 | |
so I received the first death threat I had in politics | 0:37:03 | 0:37:06 | |
just after we'd moved. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:08 | |
We just wouldn't sit at the front of the house because of | 0:37:08 | 0:37:11 | |
concerns around security and so on. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:12 | |
When you're in politics and you're visible, people know where you live. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:16 | |
They know the neighbourhood you live | 0:37:16 | 0:37:17 | |
in and they know where your house is. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:19 | |
There's really nothing you can do about that. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:21 | |
It's simply just where you are, | 0:37:21 | 0:37:23 | |
so you just have to take the best precautions you can, I guess. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:25 | |
With the kids, it definitely brings on an extra challenge. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:40 | |
You're never really off the clock in politics and, you know, | 0:37:40 | 0:37:43 | |
you're quite often pushing the kids in the swing and on the phone, | 0:37:43 | 0:37:46 | |
talking about HMO legislation or whatever you're doing, | 0:37:46 | 0:37:49 | |
and in the middle, you have to go, | 0:37:49 | 0:37:50 | |
"Put that down!" or, "Don't eat that!" or whatever - | 0:37:50 | 0:37:53 | |
the kind of orders you need to bark | 0:37:53 | 0:37:55 | |
at a two-year-old and a four-year-old. But it's hard to do. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:57 | |
I think it's one of the things that I hear from families all the time. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:01 | |
You know, getting decent, affordable childcare | 0:38:01 | 0:38:05 | |
that actually matches the hours | 0:38:05 | 0:38:07 | |
that a lot of people work in a lot of jobs now. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:09 | |
OK, there's Daddy. There's Daddy. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:12 | |
'It is hard and I think probably the same | 0:38:13 | 0:38:16 | |
'for a lot of people in jobs that aren't nine to five.' | 0:38:16 | 0:38:18 | |
But there are benefits, too. | 0:38:18 | 0:38:20 | |
No matter how miserable your day has been, | 0:38:20 | 0:38:23 | |
and there is negativity in politics, the kids, when you get in, | 0:38:23 | 0:38:27 | |
they don't care what just happened, | 0:38:27 | 0:38:29 | |
they don't care what happened in the phone call you were just on | 0:38:29 | 0:38:32 | |
and there's no chance that you could wallow in it, | 0:38:32 | 0:38:35 | |
so if you do come in and it hasn't been the best day, | 0:38:35 | 0:38:38 | |
you snap out of it very quickly. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:40 | |
OK, well, we'll go in twos. | 0:38:41 | 0:38:43 | |
Guys, we're going to do Malone. I think we're broadly on course. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
We got loads of Stranmillis finished. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:48 | |
Done last night, so we'll just go back... | 0:38:48 | 0:38:51 | |
'This kind of four, five, six weeks around the election | 0:38:51 | 0:38:53 | |
'is pretty chaotic because I am out knocking the doors every night.' | 0:38:53 | 0:38:57 | |
It's not just lining up your canvassing volunteers | 0:38:57 | 0:39:00 | |
and your leafleting volunteers, it's baby-sitting as well. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:03 | |
I do feel a wee bit guilty. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:05 | |
One, I'm not seeing the kids nearly as much as I want to | 0:39:05 | 0:39:08 | |
and I don't want to look back on and think, "Gosh, where was I?" | 0:39:08 | 0:39:11 | |
Hello, how are you? How's tricks? Good. How are you? Not too bad. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
'There's a bit of a mad couple of hours, picking them up, | 0:39:14 | 0:39:17 | |
'taking them where I'm going,' | 0:39:17 | 0:39:19 | |
then getting the canvass team out, | 0:39:19 | 0:39:21 | |
so, yeah, the five to half six period is chaotic, | 0:39:21 | 0:39:25 | |
so I'm looking forward to that bit ending. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:28 | |
All the weeks of campaigning and knocking on doors | 0:39:45 | 0:39:48 | |
has come to a head now | 0:39:48 | 0:39:49 | |
and it's up to us now to make sure we get our vote out | 0:39:49 | 0:39:52 | |
and that people have enough reasons to come and vote today. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:55 | |
I have nine polling stations to cover across South Armagh, | 0:39:55 | 0:39:58 | |
so I'll be visiting each polling station hopefully a couple of times | 0:39:58 | 0:40:01 | |
to try and meet as many voters as possible. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:03 | |
Megan! How are you today? Grand. Best of luck. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:06 | |
People are happy to see a new face, | 0:40:06 | 0:40:08 | |
happy to see a woman represent the area, | 0:40:08 | 0:40:11 | |
happy to see us raise local issues, | 0:40:11 | 0:40:13 | |
and we have been working hard over the last four years. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:15 | |
I've always said elections aren't won | 0:40:15 | 0:40:17 | |
just in the last few weeks coming up to it, | 0:40:17 | 0:40:20 | |
it's the hard work that you do in the years before it, | 0:40:20 | 0:40:22 | |
so I'm fairly confident that we're going to do well. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:24 | |
I suppose I've done it so many times now that I'm sort of used to seeing | 0:40:32 | 0:40:36 | |
my name on a ballot paper. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:38 | |
I mean, even as a politician, | 0:40:38 | 0:40:40 | |
you recognise that it is a privilege | 0:40:40 | 0:40:42 | |
to be able to be part of that process and, hopefully, | 0:40:42 | 0:40:45 | |
lots of other people will take that opportunity today, | 0:40:45 | 0:40:48 | |
because it's the only opportunity we have | 0:40:48 | 0:40:49 | |
to make Northern Ireland different. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:51 | |
It's the only chance we get to make change. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:53 | |
I'm about to go in and cast my vote. | 0:40:56 | 0:40:58 | |
I'm pretty decided, I think I'm going to vote for Hanna 1. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:01 | |
Yeah, I've been thinking about it a lot. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:03 | |
We don't agree on everything | 0:41:03 | 0:41:05 | |
but I think she's done enough to get my vote. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:07 | |
I suppose you don't know what's going to happen, | 0:41:13 | 0:41:15 | |
like, I'm junior minister up until ten o'clock tonight. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:18 | |
So I suppose, for the first time in a long time, | 0:41:18 | 0:41:20 | |
I'll be unemployed at 10.05pm. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:22 | |
So that's a strange feeling as well. | 0:41:22 | 0:41:24 | |
But you just work as hard as you can. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:27 | |
I think I'm trying to be pretty philosophical about the whole thing | 0:41:27 | 0:41:30 | |
and upbeat, so, hopefully, everything will come out OK. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
Hello there. This is the second time we've met! | 0:41:33 | 0:41:36 | |
You were at the door! Yeah, good to see you. Good to see you. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:40 | |
It literally couldn't have been a nicer night to poll on. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:46 | |
Good weather and people are down on scooters and walking dogs | 0:41:46 | 0:41:48 | |
and all sorts of things. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:50 | |
The dogs are not registered to vote, I did check! But... | 0:41:50 | 0:41:53 | |
I suppose this is when we are a bit demob happy, you know. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:56 | |
We know that, in about an hour, | 0:41:56 | 0:41:58 | |
it's home time and possibly a glass of something | 0:41:58 | 0:42:02 | |
and maybe ring an Indian, or whatever, | 0:42:02 | 0:42:04 | |
anything that can distract us until tomorrow morning, | 0:42:04 | 0:42:06 | |
when it's the day of reckoning. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:09 | |
Today, you'll find out who's in line to take the decisions, | 0:42:17 | 0:42:20 | |
make the laws and take responsibility. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:23 | |
What they've done now is they've emptied out all the boxes | 0:42:34 | 0:42:37 | |
and we've done a sample tally. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:40 | |
As you can see it's a big, long... A big, long list there. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:44 | |
But there are six seats and I'm in second or third place, | 0:42:44 | 0:42:47 | |
so there will be a lot going on in transfers. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:49 | |
If I'm elected, it won't be for a few counts yet. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
In the media world, it's as if I've disappeared... | 0:42:52 | 0:42:56 | |
Things are looking reasonably positive. | 0:42:56 | 0:42:58 | |
I think it's been a good day for the DUP right across Northern Ireland. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:01 | |
That's what we're hearing at this stage. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:04 | |
So we're hopeful that all of our candidates will stay in | 0:43:04 | 0:43:08 | |
and in South Belfast, it's looking as if there's a good chance | 0:43:08 | 0:43:11 | |
the DUP could get two. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:12 | |
It will come down to the last seat | 0:43:12 | 0:43:14 | |
but it looks like we're definitely in with a chance there. | 0:43:14 | 0:43:17 | |
As the deputy returning officer for the Belfast East constituency, | 0:43:17 | 0:43:22 | |
the number of first preference votes given for each candidate | 0:43:22 | 0:43:25 | |
was as follows... | 0:43:25 | 0:43:27 | |
I find the count is probably | 0:43:27 | 0:43:28 | |
the most difficult piece of the election, to be honest, | 0:43:28 | 0:43:31 | |
because at that point, you're finding out whether what you've | 0:43:31 | 0:43:34 | |
been hearing on the doors, the feeling you've been getting | 0:43:34 | 0:43:36 | |
when you're out canvassing, whether the work you've put in | 0:43:36 | 0:43:39 | |
is going to be returned the way you'd hoped. And, as I say, | 0:43:39 | 0:43:42 | |
there's a lot of disappointment in a count centre, | 0:43:42 | 0:43:44 | |
that's always going to be the case. | 0:43:44 | 0:43:46 | |
..4,230... | 0:43:46 | 0:43:48 | |
If you look at it, there will be people standing here today | 0:43:48 | 0:43:51 | |
who might lose their job | 0:43:51 | 0:43:53 | |
and they're going to lose their job not in private, in an office, | 0:43:53 | 0:43:56 | |
but in public, with a camera in their face. | 0:43:56 | 0:43:59 | |
It's pretty brutal. So, erm... | 0:43:59 | 0:44:01 | |
I'm not a fan of the count. | 0:44:01 | 0:44:04 | |
But you endure it to get to the end result. | 0:44:04 | 0:44:06 | |
Naomi Long, Alliance Party, | 0:44:09 | 0:44:11 | |
5,482. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:13 | |
CHEERING | 0:44:13 | 0:44:16 | |
The few weeks leading up to the election is tiring, | 0:44:34 | 0:44:36 | |
so to have it all kind of over almost in the blink of an eye | 0:44:36 | 0:44:40 | |
in the last two days, | 0:44:40 | 0:44:42 | |
it's quite unbelievable, but this is my first election, | 0:44:42 | 0:44:45 | |
so even the whole experience of the posters and everything | 0:44:45 | 0:44:48 | |
has been new for me, but this, in particular, the count, | 0:44:48 | 0:44:50 | |
is surreal and it's actually such an honour | 0:44:50 | 0:44:53 | |
to see people putting their votes beside my name | 0:44:53 | 0:44:56 | |
and to vote for Sinn Fein and to vote for our ticket | 0:44:56 | 0:44:59 | |
that we ran in this campaign, so it's really exciting | 0:44:59 | 0:45:01 | |
and it makes me really proud, actually, and really just happy | 0:45:01 | 0:45:05 | |
that people have put their faith in us. | 0:45:05 | 0:45:07 | |
The number of first preference votes | 0:45:11 | 0:45:13 | |
given for each candidate was as follows... | 0:45:13 | 0:45:16 | |
Paul Berry, 1,663. | 0:45:16 | 0:45:21 | |
Cathal Boylan, Sinn Fein, 6,822. | 0:45:21 | 0:45:26 | |
Megan Fearon, Sinn Fein, 6,838. | 0:45:26 | 0:45:31 | |
CHEERING William Irwin... | 0:45:31 | 0:45:32 | |
I've just been elected on the first count. | 0:45:48 | 0:45:51 | |
Absolutely overjoyed. | 0:45:51 | 0:45:52 | |
Came in at 6,838 votes, so just 19 over quota | 0:45:52 | 0:45:56 | |
so absolutely delighted. | 0:45:56 | 0:45:58 | |
It's actually quite emotional at the minute. | 0:45:58 | 0:46:00 | |
My family are all here, my friends are here | 0:46:00 | 0:46:01 | |
and it's just...it's such a nice time - | 0:46:01 | 0:46:03 | |
because I've been in the Assembly for four years, | 0:46:03 | 0:46:05 | |
to have it actually, officially endorsed by the people | 0:46:05 | 0:46:08 | |
and endorsed so strongly as well, by the people of my own area, | 0:46:08 | 0:46:10 | |
it's just a really proud feeling to have | 0:46:10 | 0:46:12 | |
but...not nervous about going back at all. | 0:46:12 | 0:46:14 | |
Looking forward to getting stuck in and dealing with issues. | 0:46:14 | 0:46:18 | |
I'm confident that the people of Portadown | 0:46:31 | 0:46:34 | |
have come out to support one of their own. | 0:46:34 | 0:46:37 | |
Doug has served as a soldier, | 0:46:37 | 0:46:40 | |
he has served as a councillor, | 0:46:40 | 0:46:42 | |
and I am confident that he will soon be serving us as an MLA. | 0:46:42 | 0:46:47 | |
We are here for Doug. | 0:46:47 | 0:46:49 | |
We are here working as a team, | 0:46:49 | 0:46:51 | |
as we have worked from the beginning | 0:46:51 | 0:46:54 | |
and although his team are here, backing him, we miss him dreadfully. | 0:46:54 | 0:46:58 | |
But our thoughts are with him and we're doing this for him. | 0:46:58 | 0:47:03 | |
I'm surrounded by women! | 0:47:08 | 0:47:10 | |
You should have seen it this morning. | 0:47:10 | 0:47:11 | |
The return for you, it must feel good to be back in the constituency. | 0:47:13 | 0:47:16 | |
Yeah, it does. It's been a lovely campaign, actually. | 0:47:16 | 0:47:18 | |
It's been nice to be kind of back engaged in local politics | 0:47:18 | 0:47:21 | |
after a short break of a year, | 0:47:21 | 0:47:24 | |
but it's been really good to be back involved | 0:47:24 | 0:47:27 | |
and I'm just looking forward now to getting to work up in the Assembly. | 0:47:27 | 0:47:31 | |
Claire Hanna, SDLP, Social Democratic and Labour Party, | 0:47:31 | 0:47:35 | |
4,516. 4,516. | 0:47:35 | 0:47:40 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:47:40 | 0:47:43 | |
Emma Little Pengelly, Democratic Unionist Party, DUP, | 0:47:43 | 0:47:47 | |
4,511. | 0:47:47 | 0:47:50 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:47:50 | 0:47:52 | |
The following candidate has reached the quota | 0:47:54 | 0:47:57 | |
and is deemed elected - Claire Hanna. | 0:47:57 | 0:47:59 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:47:59 | 0:48:01 | |
That being the case, there are only two candidates remaining | 0:48:03 | 0:48:06 | |
and two seats to be filled, | 0:48:06 | 0:48:08 | |
therefore Emma Little Pengelly and Christopher Stalford | 0:48:08 | 0:48:11 | |
are also deemed elected. CHEERING | 0:48:11 | 0:48:14 | |
The undertaking is as follows... | 0:48:47 | 0:48:50 | |
to support the rule of law unequivocally, in word and deed, | 0:48:50 | 0:48:53 | |
and to support all efforts to uphold it. | 0:48:53 | 0:48:56 | |
To work collectively with other members of the Assembly | 0:48:56 | 0:48:59 | |
to achieve a society free of paramilitarism. | 0:48:59 | 0:49:02 | |
To challenge all paramilitary activity | 0:49:02 | 0:49:04 | |
and associated criminality. | 0:49:04 | 0:49:05 | |
To accept no authority, direction or control | 0:49:05 | 0:49:08 | |
on my political activities, other than my democratic mandate, | 0:49:08 | 0:49:12 | |
alongside my own personal and party judgment. | 0:49:12 | 0:49:15 | |
I don't describe it as a career. That's not what it really is for me. | 0:49:19 | 0:49:23 | |
It's not what it's about. | 0:49:23 | 0:49:24 | |
I actually would describe it more as a vocation. | 0:49:24 | 0:49:26 | |
I'm still youngest MLA here | 0:49:26 | 0:49:28 | |
but I still have four years' experience, | 0:49:28 | 0:49:29 | |
which is madness, really, but it really does mean a lot. | 0:49:29 | 0:49:34 | |
I'm very proud to represent my area, | 0:49:34 | 0:49:37 | |
I'm very proud to represent the party | 0:49:37 | 0:49:39 | |
and I take it as a great privilege | 0:49:39 | 0:49:40 | |
and it's not something that I underestimate. | 0:49:40 | 0:49:42 | |
I've been given a massive opportunity | 0:49:42 | 0:49:44 | |
that not a lot of people have or will ever get, | 0:49:44 | 0:49:46 | |
so I don't intend to waste it. | 0:49:46 | 0:49:48 | |
There's a lot of anxiety about whether you're going to be elected. | 0:49:52 | 0:49:55 | |
You have to believe that you are going to be, or you'd give up. | 0:49:55 | 0:49:58 | |
You certainly wouldn't have the mental energy | 0:49:58 | 0:50:00 | |
to stay on the campaign trail for months, as we did. | 0:50:00 | 0:50:03 | |
I suppose, just before they started to open the boxes, | 0:50:03 | 0:50:07 | |
just a deep, deep knot in your stomach | 0:50:07 | 0:50:10 | |
because everything was resting on that. | 0:50:10 | 0:50:12 | |
Mine was... Yeah, less of a cliffhanger. | 0:50:12 | 0:50:15 | |
Once the boxes were opened, we knew I'd polled reasonably well. | 0:50:15 | 0:50:18 | |
Personally, the result was satisfying and relieving | 0:50:20 | 0:50:23 | |
and I suppose I was co-opted in ten months ago | 0:50:23 | 0:50:27 | |
and I haven't really switched off since then, | 0:50:27 | 0:50:30 | |
so it's nice to have that out of the way | 0:50:30 | 0:50:32 | |
and to have a bit more headspace to actually think politically. | 0:50:32 | 0:50:35 | |
Elections, vital as they are to the democratic process, | 0:50:35 | 0:50:38 | |
do probably direct a lot of energy | 0:50:38 | 0:50:42 | |
that could be used to actually getting things done. | 0:50:42 | 0:50:45 | |
I think probably the most stressful time | 0:50:55 | 0:50:57 | |
was that night just before polling day. | 0:50:57 | 0:50:59 | |
I think it was just trying to sit and assess how everything had gone. | 0:50:59 | 0:51:02 | |
You knew that really, you'd been... | 0:51:02 | 0:51:04 | |
You'd knocked your last door or you'd put the last piece of literature through | 0:51:04 | 0:51:07 | |
and there was very little else that you could do at that point | 0:51:07 | 0:51:09 | |
apart from stand at the polling stations. | 0:51:09 | 0:51:12 | |
You do go through a lot of self-doubt | 0:51:12 | 0:51:15 | |
throughout that quite surreal process, | 0:51:15 | 0:51:17 | |
so in a sense, I suppose, your first emotion is almost relief | 0:51:17 | 0:51:19 | |
that in a way, you know, that you did work hard | 0:51:19 | 0:51:23 | |
and just really grateful that people have come out and supported you | 0:51:23 | 0:51:26 | |
and that people want you to be their advocate | 0:51:26 | 0:51:28 | |
and their representative. | 0:51:28 | 0:51:30 | |
That is an incredible privilege | 0:51:30 | 0:51:31 | |
and certainly one that I want to take full opportunity of, | 0:51:31 | 0:51:34 | |
you know, to bring about what positive changes I can. | 0:51:34 | 0:51:37 | |
My grandson, Cameron, passed away the day before the election. | 0:51:45 | 0:51:52 | |
Right now, it's still incredibly difficult for me | 0:51:52 | 0:51:55 | |
to think about the loss of Cameron | 0:51:55 | 0:52:00 | |
and signing the register as an MLA, the Thursday after the election, | 0:52:00 | 0:52:06 | |
I was very close to saying that I can't do it | 0:52:06 | 0:52:09 | |
and was very close to leaving the building at that time, | 0:52:09 | 0:52:13 | |
but people who have gone through this type of bereavement | 0:52:13 | 0:52:15 | |
will understand that time helps. | 0:52:15 | 0:52:19 | |
But one week after his death, | 0:52:19 | 0:52:21 | |
and just a few days after we had laid him to rest, | 0:52:21 | 0:52:24 | |
it was...it was just the most difficult experience | 0:52:24 | 0:52:28 | |
that I'd been through in my life. | 0:52:28 | 0:52:30 | |
And I've done a lot. You know, I've seen a lot | 0:52:30 | 0:52:32 | |
and I've seen death at close quarters, | 0:52:32 | 0:52:35 | |
but I wasn't prepared for it to knock on the door | 0:52:35 | 0:52:37 | |
the way it did that day. | 0:52:37 | 0:52:39 | |
It's just holding me back a little bit right now. | 0:52:40 | 0:52:46 | |
You know, so to say that I'm full steam ahead, | 0:52:46 | 0:52:51 | |
I don't think I am. | 0:52:51 | 0:52:52 | |
I think that grieving process is still ongoing, | 0:52:52 | 0:52:56 | |
that battle between career and family is still being fought | 0:52:56 | 0:53:01 | |
and I'd hope that my constituents will understand that | 0:53:01 | 0:53:05 | |
and give me a little bit of grace and time | 0:53:05 | 0:53:09 | |
to be able to come to terms with that. | 0:53:09 | 0:53:11 | |
I very much felt that I wanted to come back. | 0:53:16 | 0:53:18 | |
I still have a lot of passion, a lot of things that I wanted to do | 0:53:18 | 0:53:21 | |
and being elected on the first count like, that was, for me, | 0:53:21 | 0:53:24 | |
just a really positive experience | 0:53:24 | 0:53:26 | |
and a nice way, I guess, to come back to politics. | 0:53:26 | 0:53:28 | |
My ambition is for that liberal society - | 0:53:30 | 0:53:33 | |
wanting to see Northern Ireland as a more normalised place | 0:53:33 | 0:53:36 | |
in order that everyone can benefit from the peace that we had. | 0:53:36 | 0:53:39 | |
That's why I joined the party in '94. | 0:53:39 | 0:53:42 | |
It's why I became an elected representative in 2001 | 0:53:42 | 0:53:46 | |
and it's why, in 2016, I decided to come back, | 0:53:46 | 0:53:51 | |
because for me, | 0:53:51 | 0:53:53 | |
that is the biggest job that Northern Ireland needs to do. | 0:53:53 | 0:53:56 | |
We need not just to change how we do politics | 0:53:56 | 0:53:59 | |
but we need to change how we live as a society. | 0:53:59 | 0:54:01 | |
Society has to be all-inclusive, | 0:54:08 | 0:54:10 | |
in terms of the Northern Ireland that I want | 0:54:10 | 0:54:15 | |
and, I think, most people want. | 0:54:15 | 0:54:17 | |
If we are a settled people, then you can do things. | 0:54:17 | 0:54:21 | |
Then you can move on | 0:54:21 | 0:54:23 | |
and then you can accept many challenges and get over those, | 0:54:23 | 0:54:27 | |
so I just want to be as settled as a people, and content, as we can. | 0:54:27 | 0:54:32 | |
There's no such a thing as utopia. | 0:54:32 | 0:54:34 | |
I think the public have decided to embrace the future. | 0:54:38 | 0:54:41 | |
I think they want to live together, they want to work together, | 0:54:41 | 0:54:44 | |
they want to socialise together. | 0:54:44 | 0:54:46 | |
They want to be educated together. | 0:54:46 | 0:54:48 | |
They want to see a future that, actually, is based around | 0:54:48 | 0:54:51 | |
a sound economic policy, a good education system. | 0:54:51 | 0:54:55 | |
Their... The public, I think, | 0:54:55 | 0:54:56 | |
want to see politicians catching up with them. | 0:54:56 | 0:55:00 | |
I think we can do it, but we have to be much more forward-thinking. | 0:55:00 | 0:55:03 | |
We have to get out of our silos and actually work together | 0:55:03 | 0:55:06 | |
and I think that's a very possible thing to achieve. | 0:55:06 | 0:55:10 | |
It is possible that we could produce a better political culture. | 0:55:13 | 0:55:18 | |
I think if we wait for it to evolve, | 0:55:18 | 0:55:20 | |
it may proceed at the pace of evolution, | 0:55:20 | 0:55:23 | |
which is very narrow shifts generation after generation. | 0:55:23 | 0:55:27 | |
I think we can't depend upon that. | 0:55:27 | 0:55:29 | |
We need a much more definite and firm commitment | 0:55:29 | 0:55:31 | |
that we will change this society faster and fairer | 0:55:31 | 0:55:35 | |
and that that will be a key priority in the immediate future, | 0:55:35 | 0:55:38 | |
not something that waits for generational change | 0:55:38 | 0:55:41 | |
over 50 or 100 years. | 0:55:41 | 0:55:42 | |
I would like Northern Ireland to be | 0:55:47 | 0:55:49 | |
one of the most attractive little countries in the world. | 0:55:49 | 0:55:54 | |
And that would be measured by proper peace, | 0:55:54 | 0:55:58 | |
the absence of paramilitaries and the associated criminality | 0:55:58 | 0:56:02 | |
and organised crime. | 0:56:02 | 0:56:03 | |
It would be a country where people are glad that they're born here, | 0:56:03 | 0:56:08 | |
that they want to live here, they want to come back here, | 0:56:08 | 0:56:11 | |
even if they are going away for universities or for jobs, | 0:56:11 | 0:56:15 | |
that people want to invest in, that they want to come and visit, | 0:56:15 | 0:56:18 | |
that they want to come and settle in. | 0:56:18 | 0:56:20 | |
I think, you know, in many ways, | 0:56:20 | 0:56:22 | |
what everybody needs is a spirit of generosity. | 0:56:22 | 0:56:26 | |
We all have to recognise | 0:56:26 | 0:56:27 | |
that where we were in the past was a terrible place. | 0:56:27 | 0:56:31 | |
Where we've come from in the course of the last 20 years | 0:56:31 | 0:56:34 | |
has been a far, far better place. | 0:56:34 | 0:56:36 | |
And where we'll be 20 years from now will be a far, far better place. | 0:56:36 | 0:56:40 | |
And we could do all of that, | 0:56:40 | 0:56:41 | |
holding on to our political allegiances. | 0:56:41 | 0:56:43 | |
I mean, I'm no less an Irish Republican. | 0:56:43 | 0:56:46 | |
Arlene Foster is no less a Unionist. | 0:56:46 | 0:56:49 | |
But it really comes down to our ability to, er... | 0:56:49 | 0:56:53 | |
..our ability to accept that and respect that | 0:56:55 | 0:57:00 | |
and continue to work together | 0:57:00 | 0:57:02 | |
to ensure that we are delivering for everybody | 0:57:02 | 0:57:04 | |
and...I think we can do it. | 0:57:04 | 0:57:06 | |
It is about encouraging, motivating, inspiring young people, | 0:57:08 | 0:57:13 | |
as I've said, to be proud of coming from Northern Ireland, | 0:57:13 | 0:57:16 | |
to give them a sense of hope. | 0:57:16 | 0:57:18 | |
If people have confidence in themselves | 0:57:21 | 0:57:24 | |
and are proud about where they come from, | 0:57:24 | 0:57:26 | |
I think it does lead to ambition | 0:57:26 | 0:57:27 | |
for the place where they live as well | 0:57:27 | 0:57:29 | |
and I hope that people do have ambition for Northern Ireland | 0:57:29 | 0:57:32 | |
because I think it can do great things. | 0:57:32 | 0:57:34 | |
Well, at 20 minutes to five, | 0:57:46 | 0:57:49 | |
we can now say the decision taken in 1975 by this country | 0:57:49 | 0:57:53 | |
to join the Common Market | 0:57:53 | 0:57:55 | |
has been reversed by this referendum to leave the EU. | 0:57:55 | 0:58:01 | |
Good morning, this is BBC Breakfast. Morning, Dan. | 0:58:44 | 0:58:46 | |
Morning, Jenny! | 0:58:46 | 0:58:47 | |
In the sports news, we have the latest on the Welsh rugby team, | 0:58:47 | 0:58:50 | |
Poppy's sports day, and news on Andy Murray. | 0:58:50 | 0:58:53 | |
The headlines coming up, but our next guest is really quite special. | 0:58:53 | 0:58:56 | |
Jack, the toast's burning. Welcome, Daniel Radcliffe. | 0:58:56 | 0:59:00 |