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It's a year since he was elected. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
Are you used to it yet? | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:13 | |
-So help me God. -So help me God. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
Congratulations, Mr President. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:17 | |
President Trump is half Scottish. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:21 | |
His mother was born here. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:23 | |
But his relationship with Scotland has been full of controversy. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:27 | |
Show me a part of Scottish society that came out the better | 0:00:28 | 0:00:32 | |
for Donald Trump having arrived - I don't think there is one. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:36 | |
More than a decade ago, he came here to build | 0:00:36 | 0:00:39 | |
what he said would be the world's greatest golf course... | 0:00:39 | 0:00:43 | |
Any golfer that comes here is in awe of what we've created | 0:00:43 | 0:00:48 | |
and what nature has let us create. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
..but has the Trump resort delivered what was promised? | 0:00:51 | 0:00:56 | |
I think the one thing that should be said about it | 0:00:56 | 0:00:58 | |
is the people putting it forward | 0:00:58 | 0:01:00 | |
did not live up and honour the agreements | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
they'd made to the Scottish people. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:04 | |
This is the story of Scotland's difficult relationship | 0:01:04 | 0:01:08 | |
with President Trump. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:10 | |
Donald Trump is Scottish enough | 0:01:10 | 0:01:12 | |
to qualify for our national football team, | 0:01:12 | 0:01:14 | |
yet he's drawn far more protest than praise | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
in the country of his ancestors... | 0:01:17 | 0:01:19 | |
..and maybe that's why getting to speak to him has proved so tricky. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:26 | |
Glenn Campbell from BBC Scotland. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:27 | |
Have you got a moment to have a word? | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
Absolutely not. What are you doing here? | 0:01:30 | 0:01:31 | |
You're fake news. Get out of here. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:33 | |
Get him out of here. Hey, get him out of here. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:35 | |
I cover Scottish politics, and, over the last decade or so, | 0:01:44 | 0:01:48 | |
that's also meant covering Donald Trump | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
and his battle to build a golf resort near Aberdeen. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:54 | |
There's nothing like it. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:58 | |
Good. I hope you enjoy it. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:00 | |
I hope everybody enjoys it. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:02 | |
Good to be back in Scotland again? | 0:02:02 | 0:02:04 | |
Great to be back in Scotland. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:05 | |
CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICK | 0:02:07 | 0:02:09 | |
Now, nobody knew Trump could do that, right? | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
That's a pretty good shot. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:13 | |
Go back more than a century | 0:02:17 | 0:02:19 | |
and this is where the story of Donald Trump and Scotland began. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:23 | |
As the President likes to remind us, his mother was a Scot. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
My mother was born, as you know, in Stornoway - | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
and I think I'm doing Scotland a tremendous favour, | 0:02:31 | 0:02:34 | |
and I think my mother would be very, very proud of me. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
Mary Anne MacLeod was born on Lewis in 1912 | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
and grew up across the bay | 0:02:40 | 0:02:42 | |
from the island's capital, Stornoway. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:45 | |
Her father had a little post office and shop in town. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
They had a croft there. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:52 | |
With a big family, | 0:02:52 | 0:02:53 | |
there was certainly no doubt most of them would have to leave. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
Mary Anne Trump, Mary Anne MacLeod, as she was, | 0:02:56 | 0:02:58 | |
is an example of somebody who left these islands | 0:02:58 | 0:03:02 | |
for a new life in the New World, if you like. Why do you think she left? | 0:03:02 | 0:03:06 | |
Why do young people want to leave? | 0:03:07 | 0:03:09 | |
Because they want a job somewhere else. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:11 | |
Because they want something new, | 0:03:11 | 0:03:12 | |
because they want to be away from their parents for a while. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:14 | |
They want to see the world. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:16 | |
Mary Anne came home to the island throughout her life... | 0:03:17 | 0:03:21 | |
..and she maintained a strong connection with her church. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:27 | |
This is where Donald Trump's mum worshipped as a child. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:32 | |
She'd walk four miles | 0:03:32 | 0:03:34 | |
to attend Sunday services in Gaelic here in Stornoway - | 0:03:34 | 0:03:38 | |
and we're told the family had their regular pew | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
in the upper gallery, but that Mary Anne, | 0:03:41 | 0:03:45 | |
when she returned to the island in later years as Mrs Trump, | 0:03:45 | 0:03:49 | |
would sit towards the back, over here. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:51 | |
In case anyone is in any doubt about Donald Trump's Scottish heritage, | 0:03:51 | 0:03:56 | |
it's all recorded in the church's records. | 0:03:56 | 0:03:59 | |
So, here, in 1913, we've got Mary Anne, | 0:03:59 | 0:04:03 | |
daughter of Malcolm MacLeod and Mary Smith of Tong, born May 1912, | 0:04:03 | 0:04:09 | |
and baptised in this very church in the following year. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:13 | |
The church organist remembers seeing Mrs Trump in the congregation. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:20 | |
I think that the last time I saw her, | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
I noticed that she was talking in her native Gaelic, | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
so, she never forgot her roots, | 0:04:26 | 0:04:28 | |
she never forgot what would have been her mother tongue. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
That seems incredible, after maybe 60, 70 years. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:35 | |
She obviously was a remarkable person, | 0:04:35 | 0:04:39 | |
and...she loved returning back every year to visit. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:44 | |
Donald Trump was not quite such a regular visitor to Lewis. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:53 | |
In fact, he came once, as a boy, and that was it | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
until his high-profile homecoming in 2008. | 0:04:56 | 0:05:00 | |
I've been hearing about Stornoway and Lewis for many years | 0:05:01 | 0:05:05 | |
from my mother, and it's very much as I thought. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:07 | |
It's beautiful in every way. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
I wanted to see it again, for the second time. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
The first time, I was very young - | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
but I wanted to see it a second time, | 0:05:16 | 0:05:17 | |
and I'm very glad I did, and I'll be back again. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
Eyewitnesses said he spent about 90 seconds in his ancestral home... | 0:05:22 | 0:05:27 | |
..but the fact that the Donald came | 0:05:31 | 0:05:33 | |
caused far more fuss than Lewis is used to. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
The level of interest was quite noticeable, | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
because a lot of people gathered to see his plane coming in, | 0:05:43 | 0:05:47 | |
and when he was down at his relatives' house, | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
there was a level of interest then. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:52 | |
He hadn't visited the island many times, | 0:05:52 | 0:05:54 | |
so I think a lot of people were a bit sceptical about it, | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
maybe thought it was just drumming up support | 0:05:57 | 0:05:59 | |
for some of the projects he had in mind - | 0:05:59 | 0:06:01 | |
and many felt, I think, | 0:06:01 | 0:06:03 | |
there was a touch of the less than serious about it, | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
and he was just sort of showing face to further his interest elsewhere. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
The Western Isles are unique, set apart by geography, | 0:06:16 | 0:06:20 | |
by the Gaelic language and culture, | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
and by the relative strength of religion. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:25 | |
The way of life here is a world away from New York, | 0:06:28 | 0:06:32 | |
where Donald Trump was born and brought | 0:06:32 | 0:06:35 | |
up by a mother immersed in island values. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
Values like respect for other people, genuine compassion, | 0:06:39 | 0:06:44 | |
concern to help other people practically... | 0:06:44 | 0:06:46 | |
..and a sense of what community life is like on an island. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:52 | |
Values like those, I think, | 0:06:53 | 0:06:54 | |
would have been very much part | 0:06:54 | 0:06:56 | |
of what he would have been brought up with. | 0:06:56 | 0:06:58 | |
Do you think he has rejected those values? | 0:06:58 | 0:07:00 | |
Well, I'm not saying... | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
I wouldn't say he's rejected them, | 0:07:02 | 0:07:03 | |
but possibly found them more and more difficult to follow through | 0:07:03 | 0:07:07 | |
in his business work, or now, in his political life. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:11 | |
I don't think the island, the folk here, | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
would ever say it's wrong to be wealthy | 0:07:14 | 0:07:16 | |
or wrong to aspire to wealth, | 0:07:16 | 0:07:18 | |
as long as you don't make that your God. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:20 | |
The Western Isles have riches of their own. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:36 | |
Natural beauty, unspoiled, an incredible sense of peace, | 0:07:36 | 0:07:43 | |
a slower pace... | 0:07:43 | 0:07:45 | |
..and all that Mary Ann MacLeod left behind. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
When Donald Trump's mother set out across the Atlantic for America, | 0:08:00 | 0:08:04 | |
she swapped the hills and machair for the skyscrapers of Manhattan, | 0:08:04 | 0:08:09 | |
the peace and tranquillity of island life for the bustle and brashness | 0:08:09 | 0:08:14 | |
of the big city, | 0:08:14 | 0:08:15 | |
and the subsistence way of life the MacLeods had known for generations | 0:08:15 | 0:08:20 | |
for a new pursuit of wealth and power | 0:08:20 | 0:08:22 | |
when she married Fred Trump. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
This is where Mary Anne arrived in 1930. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
The 18-year-old worked as a maid and sent money home to her family... | 0:08:35 | 0:08:40 | |
..and her fortunes soon improved, | 0:08:40 | 0:08:42 | |
as her son's biographer explained | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
outside one of the many Trump-branded buildings in New York. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:48 | |
When she met Fred Trump, it was almost a gift from heaven. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:54 | |
In the 1970s, Fred Trump, Donald's father, | 0:08:54 | 0:08:59 | |
had wealth in excess of 200 million. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
This made him one of the wealthiest people in America, if not the world. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:07 | |
She was a strange combination of penurious but also flashy and showy. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:15 | |
So she would drive around from building to building | 0:09:15 | 0:09:19 | |
in a Rolls-Royce to collect the coins | 0:09:19 | 0:09:21 | |
put in the automatic washers and dryers at Trump buildings. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:25 | |
How much of an influence was Mary Anne MacLeod, | 0:09:25 | 0:09:30 | |
or Trump, as she became, on her second son? | 0:09:30 | 0:09:34 | |
I think that she taught him the value of getting attention. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:44 | |
You know, his mum was an attention-seeking woman. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
If there was a party, she was the centre of attention - | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
and I think Donald inherited that desire, and also that ability. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:55 | |
Donald Trump is as bold and brash as New York itself, | 0:09:58 | 0:10:02 | |
his aggressive style moulded by the city he calls home. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:06 | |
Photographer Harry Benson moved here from Scotland in the 1960s. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:13 | |
He's taken pictures of every US President since Eisenhower, | 0:10:13 | 0:10:17 | |
and has known Donald Trump for more than 40 years. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:21 | |
Here's Trump with his mother. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
That's his brother's wife. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:26 | |
So, this is Trump's first wife, Ivana, is that right? | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
Ivana, yes. I was in a restaurant | 0:10:29 | 0:10:33 | |
about a month ago with my wife and a friend... | 0:10:33 | 0:10:37 | |
..and she was on the table across from me, | 0:10:38 | 0:10:40 | |
and, as I'm leaving, said, "Harry, come here," gave me a kiss - | 0:10:40 | 0:10:45 | |
and I'm no more than six inches apart, and she says to me, | 0:10:45 | 0:10:51 | |
"Shit happens." | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
-Ivana? -Yes. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:55 | |
Now, that's not saying he's doing a good job... | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
How well did you get to know Donald Trump down the years? | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
Yeah, fair enough. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:04 | |
You know, he was always quite easy, | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
and... | 0:11:07 | 0:11:09 | |
He was quite pleasant. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:12 | |
He loved being photographed... | 0:11:12 | 0:11:14 | |
..and... | 0:11:15 | 0:11:17 | |
Then again, you've got friends, you know... | 0:11:18 | 0:11:23 | |
You know they are not fit to be Prime Minister. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:25 | |
Donald Trump falls into that with me. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
When Donald Trump started planning | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
his new golf resort in Aberdeenshire, | 0:11:33 | 0:11:35 | |
Harry offered him some location advice. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:38 | |
It's the coldest place you can ever find. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
-Aberdeenshire? -Yeah. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:43 | |
I said, you know, you should have gone to the west of Scotland. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:48 | |
Donald Trump didn't publicly parade his plans to invest in Scotland | 0:11:48 | 0:11:52 | |
straight away, but in the months | 0:11:52 | 0:11:54 | |
after New York's Tartan Day celebrations in 2005, | 0:11:54 | 0:11:58 | |
the then First Minister caught wind of what was going on. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:02 | |
We heard that... | 0:12:03 | 0:12:05 | |
..he was looking for one of his next investments | 0:12:07 | 0:12:09 | |
to be somewhere in Europe. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:11 | |
When it was suggested that I meet him, on a visit to New York, | 0:12:11 | 0:12:15 | |
the possibility that he could choose Scotland rather than somewhere else | 0:12:15 | 0:12:19 | |
in Europe for his next big investment, | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
it seemed like an opportunity that was worth at least exploring. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:26 | |
In that meeting, Jack McConnell found out | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
just how strange doing business with Mr Trump could be. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:38 | |
When we had the media conference in the lobby of Trump Tower, | 0:12:38 | 0:12:42 | |
he hinted there was a microphone, | 0:12:42 | 0:12:44 | |
that he was taping the media exchange... | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
..and I thought, "Oh, that's interesting." | 0:12:48 | 0:12:50 | |
So, when we went behind the scenes to sit down and have lunch together, | 0:12:50 | 0:12:55 | |
my first question was, "Where's the microphone?" | 0:12:55 | 0:12:58 | |
And the microphone was in his tie, it was in the knot of his tie, | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
and he explained that this was something he did on a regular basis. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:05 | |
He occasionally used some of the recording as backdrop | 0:13:05 | 0:13:09 | |
for The Apprentice programme. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
Were you alarmed by that? | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
Well, I wasn't alarmed. I was a bit amused. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:15 | |
It seemed a really strange thing to be doing - | 0:13:15 | 0:13:17 | |
but I wasn't having it. So, the ties came off... | 0:13:17 | 0:13:19 | |
..and were deposited outside the room. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:22 | |
A US property tycoon, seeking to spend big money in Scotland. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:29 | |
Well, that's the sort of thing | 0:13:29 | 0:13:31 | |
that gets politicians and government agencies really excited. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:35 | |
Back in 2005, Jack Perry's job | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
was to make this kind of investment happen. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
At that stage, Jack, how seriously did you take it? | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
At that stage, very serious. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:46 | |
I mean, he was going to do it. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:48 | |
Pretty certain, by that stage, | 0:13:50 | 0:13:51 | |
that he was prepared to make the investment. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:53 | |
He really liked the piece of ground... | 0:13:53 | 0:13:55 | |
..and had, by that stage, | 0:13:56 | 0:13:58 | |
done an awful lot of homework on the project. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:01 | |
And what did he want from you? | 0:14:01 | 0:14:03 | |
Actually, he certainly wasn't looking for a penny | 0:14:03 | 0:14:07 | |
of government money, you know? | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
He wasn't looking for government subsidy or support in any way. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:13 | |
We offered him courtesy, | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
as we would to any prospective major investor in Scotland. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:20 | |
Aberdeen was booming when Donald Trump decided to come here, | 0:14:25 | 0:14:29 | |
but, even then, this area was desperate to diversify its economy | 0:14:29 | 0:14:34 | |
beyond oil and gas. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:36 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:14:37 | 0:14:39 | |
Good evening, Marcliffe Hotel and Spa, | 0:14:39 | 0:14:40 | |
Anna speaking, how may I help you? | 0:14:40 | 0:14:42 | |
Local hotel owner Stewart Spence got behind Trump's resort. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:47 | |
He felt sure it would make the north-east of Scotland | 0:14:47 | 0:14:49 | |
a more attractive place to visit. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:51 | |
I was on the board of Grampian Enterprise at the time, | 0:14:53 | 0:14:57 | |
and I knew that they'd been doing a feasibility study for somebody | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
but, not even as a board member, did I know who it was. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:05 | |
So when it was finally announced | 0:15:05 | 0:15:07 | |
that it was going to be Donald Trump, | 0:15:07 | 0:15:10 | |
I couldn't believe it. I knew that this was a man | 0:15:10 | 0:15:13 | |
who wouldn't do anything unless it was the best in the world, | 0:15:13 | 0:15:18 | |
and that was always what he was known for. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:21 | |
And, so, Donald Trump came to Scotland to buy the Menie Estate, | 0:15:22 | 0:15:26 | |
just north of Aberdeen - | 0:15:26 | 0:15:28 | |
but why here? | 0:15:28 | 0:15:29 | |
Mr Trump had been shown some photographs | 0:15:31 | 0:15:33 | |
of the extraordinary stretch of land | 0:15:33 | 0:15:35 | |
along the Menie Estate, | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
and he made a decision to come and see it first-hand, | 0:15:38 | 0:15:42 | |
and he had been looking for a pristine stretch of linksland | 0:15:42 | 0:15:46 | |
to build his vision of the world's greatest golf course - | 0:15:46 | 0:15:50 | |
and he was just blown away. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:51 | |
But there was a problem. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:54 | |
Some of the land he'd bought | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
was under protection as a Site of Special Scientific Interest. | 0:15:56 | 0:16:00 | |
The shifting sand dune system at Menie | 0:16:01 | 0:16:03 | |
was one of the finest examples of its kind in the UK. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:07 | |
So, looking north, we can see the Balmedie dunes and sand domes, | 0:16:08 | 0:16:14 | |
and those sand domes are highly mobile. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:16 | |
They move northwards under the prevailing winds here. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:20 | |
In exactly the same way, | 0:16:20 | 0:16:22 | |
to the north we have the Menie sand dune system, | 0:16:22 | 0:16:26 | |
which are a massive sand dome, which also move north, | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
at substantial speeds. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:30 | |
Up to 11 metres per year across an area of about 15 hectares. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:35 | |
So, this is very much a living landscape? | 0:16:35 | 0:16:37 | |
It is, it is. It's a dynamic... | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
It's almost like a wilderness landscape | 0:16:40 | 0:16:42 | |
with a minimal amount of human interference. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:44 | |
It's hard to get planning permission | 0:16:49 | 0:16:51 | |
to develop a protected sites like Menie, | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
but Donald Trump doesn't take no for an answer | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
and he was sure the economic opportunity he was offering | 0:16:57 | 0:17:01 | |
would be too good for Aberdeenshire to turn down. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
We're talking about 7,000 jobs, | 0:17:05 | 0:17:07 | |
we're talking about hundreds of millions of pounds of investment. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:12 | |
The course itself would be extremely expensive to build. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:15 | |
The whole project will be an extremely expensive project. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:19 | |
A billion-dollar project at least. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:21 | |
In this case, 2 billion or £1 billion | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
to come into Aberdeenshire, to come into Scotland. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
The numbers were repeated so often they became firmly established. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:34 | |
It would be a £1 billion development creating thousands of jobs. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:39 | |
This quiet stretch of coastline | 0:17:39 | 0:17:41 | |
would become a world-famous golf resort | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
with two pristine courses, a big hotel and hundreds of homes. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:50 | |
It was a tempting offer - | 0:17:50 | 0:17:51 | |
but was it more attractive than the natural habitat it would replace? | 0:17:51 | 0:17:56 | |
That was the decision for the small group of councillors | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
who took the final vote. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:01 | |
The planning committee was not asked to vote | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
on whether the applicant was a nice man. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:06 | |
We were being asked to take a land use planning decision, | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
and it was a 7-7 tie - | 0:18:09 | 0:18:11 | |
and I had voted for the motion to refuse, | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
and I used my casting vote for the same motion the second time, | 0:18:13 | 0:18:17 | |
and that was the council's decision, to refuse planning permission. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:21 | |
He used his casting vote, so, in effect, he voted twice, | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
to throw the investment opportunity out. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:27 | |
I lived in Aberdeen at the time, and there was a public outcry. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:33 | |
I called them traitors because they couldn't see the bigger picture. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
I think it sends out a devastating message | 0:18:37 | 0:18:40 | |
that, you want to do big business, | 0:18:40 | 0:18:42 | |
don't do it in the north-east of Scotland. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:45 | |
Thank you. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:46 | |
I was profoundly dismayed, I must admit. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:50 | |
I found it hard to credit. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:54 | |
You're saying no to Donald Trump? | 0:18:55 | 0:18:56 | |
At this time, remember, | 0:18:56 | 0:18:58 | |
this was before he was involved in politics | 0:18:58 | 0:19:00 | |
and had the kind of toxic brand that he has now. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
Within days of Trump's plans being thrown out, | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
First Minister Alex Salmond stepped in. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
As the local MSP, | 0:19:10 | 0:19:12 | |
he met Trump representatives at the Marcliffe Hotel | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
and put them in direct contact with Scotland's chief planner. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:19 | |
The very next day, | 0:19:19 | 0:19:20 | |
the Scottish Government called in the application, | 0:19:20 | 0:19:24 | |
allowing the council's decision to be reconsidered. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:27 | |
Mr Salmond's critics accused him of misusing his office | 0:19:27 | 0:19:31 | |
and interfering in the planning process, | 0:19:31 | 0:19:33 | |
but a Holyrood inquiry later found he'd not broken the rules. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:38 | |
As one of Trump's neighbours at Menie, | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
David Milne always objected to having a golf resort | 0:19:41 | 0:19:45 | |
on his doorstep. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:47 | |
How did you feel about that decision by the Scottish Government | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
to call in this application and breathe new life into it? | 0:19:51 | 0:19:55 | |
Disbelief. I couldn't believe they'd been stupid enough | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
to fall for the PR story they'd been given. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
When we heard the story and we heard that Alex Salmond had been involved | 0:20:01 | 0:20:05 | |
with the Marcliffe meeting, it added a different context to it, | 0:20:05 | 0:20:10 | |
bearing in mind that Alex Salmond is himself an economist. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
It made us quite sad and made us wonder what else is going on | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
behind the scenes. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:18 | |
# Aberdeen... # | 0:20:18 | 0:20:20 | |
APPLAUSE AND CHEERING | 0:20:20 | 0:20:21 | |
Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, | 0:20:28 | 0:20:30 | |
welcome to the first-ever show of Alex Salmond Unleashed on tour. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:35 | |
In his show, Alex Salmond takes on President Trump. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
The President of the United States of America! | 0:20:41 | 0:20:46 | |
Well, sort of. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:47 | |
Thank you so much, what a wonderful audience. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
Thank you so much. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:51 | |
It's so good to be here, what a wonderful place to be. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:55 | |
So nice to see you again, Alex. I'm sorry for what happened. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
But is Alex Salmond sorry he went out of his way to help Donald Trump | 0:20:59 | 0:21:03 | |
secure his development? | 0:21:03 | 0:21:05 | |
I was the constituency Member of Parliament. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:07 | |
I had an obligation as the constituency Member of Parliament | 0:21:07 | 0:21:10 | |
to do what I thought was best for the local area. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:13 | |
So, my intervention as a constituency MP | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
was to try and take the matter so as it can be re-examined, | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
as it eventually was, by a public local inquiry, | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
which then made recommendations to the government, | 0:21:22 | 0:21:24 | |
and I was out of the decision-making loop - | 0:21:24 | 0:21:26 | |
but many, many people in the north-east of Scotland | 0:21:26 | 0:21:28 | |
thought this is just what we need to put tourism and golf | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
in the north-east of Scotland on the map. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
A year later, after a local planning inquiry, | 0:21:36 | 0:21:39 | |
the Scottish Government granted outline planning permission | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
for the Trump Resort. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:44 | |
Effectively, the Scottish Government, | 0:21:46 | 0:21:48 | |
the Scottish ministers, called it in. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:50 | |
They lodged the appeal for the applicant on his behalf - | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
and, in the process, of course, | 0:21:53 | 0:21:56 | |
they called into question their impartiality, | 0:21:56 | 0:21:58 | |
because the only reason why you'd want to call it in at that point | 0:21:58 | 0:22:02 | |
was to stop a refusal taking effect. They shouldn't have done it. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
With the benefit of hindsight, | 0:22:06 | 0:22:08 | |
I suspect they feel they shouldn't have done it. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:10 | |
I wouldn't have called it in. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:12 | |
I think it should have been a local matter. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:15 | |
-Why wasn't it? -It would have been a planning minister's decision | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
rather than the First Minister's decision - | 0:22:20 | 0:22:22 | |
but my strong view, from a government point of view, | 0:22:22 | 0:22:24 | |
would have been that without... | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
..the local consent, he should find somewhere else. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
Well, I think you have to question my predecessor more closely. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:35 | |
Firstly, the overwhelming majority of councillors, I think 90% of them, | 0:22:35 | 0:22:39 | |
were in favour of the development. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:40 | |
They'd got themselves, | 0:22:40 | 0:22:42 | |
as the evidence to the Parliamentary committee makes it clear, | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
from the chief executive, into a bind. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:47 | |
If we had turned down the investment, | 0:22:47 | 0:22:49 | |
we'd have been left - thinking more of the constituency here - | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
sending a message to international investors that after courting you, | 0:22:52 | 0:22:56 | |
after making him, as Mr McConnell did, a global Scot, | 0:22:56 | 0:23:00 | |
then the investment wasn't good enough, | 0:23:00 | 0:23:02 | |
and Scotland was the country that turned it down. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
So, I think if he kind of re-examines the record, he might... | 0:23:05 | 0:23:09 | |
..amend his view. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:11 | |
I think Alex Salmond is a tremendous representative | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
for the people of Scotland. I think he's done a fantastic job. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
But the relationship between Alex Salmond and Donald Trump | 0:23:18 | 0:23:22 | |
soon soured. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:23 | |
You're going to have riots all over Scotland, | 0:23:24 | 0:23:26 | |
because Alex Salmond is going to destroy | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
the natural beauty of Scotland. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:31 | |
Mr Trump strongly objected to an offshore wind farm | 0:23:32 | 0:23:36 | |
being built near his proposed resort. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:38 | |
Well, when somebody comes in and invests tens of millions of pounds | 0:23:40 | 0:23:44 | |
in a certain area, and then all of a sudden that investment is... | 0:23:44 | 0:23:49 | |
..hurt, I think other people will watch what's happened to me | 0:23:49 | 0:23:53 | |
in Scotland and they won't be investing in Scotland. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:55 | |
When his case was tested in Parliament, | 0:23:55 | 0:23:58 | |
he came away with a Trump classic. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:00 | |
Where is the clinical evidence, | 0:24:00 | 0:24:02 | |
not an opinion, an empirical assessment, | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
where is your clinical evidence? | 0:24:05 | 0:24:07 | |
Who's produced it? Will you share it with the committee? | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
First of all, I am the evidence. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:13 | |
I think I'm more of an expert... | 0:24:13 | 0:24:15 | |
You know what, I think I'm a lot more of an expert | 0:24:15 | 0:24:17 | |
than the people that you'd like me to hire | 0:24:17 | 0:24:19 | |
who are doing it to make a pay cheque - | 0:24:19 | 0:24:21 | |
but I am an expert in tourism. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:23 | |
I am considered a world-class expert in tourism. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:27 | |
So when you say where is the expert and where is the evidence, | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
I'm the evidence. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:31 | |
Back home in America, | 0:24:33 | 0:24:35 | |
the belligerent billionaire tried hard to block the wind farm. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:39 | |
He fought the Scottish Government, which gave the turbines consent, | 0:24:39 | 0:24:43 | |
through the courts and through the media. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:45 | |
Four years ago, I was invited | 0:24:47 | 0:24:49 | |
inside Donald Trump's New York headquarters | 0:24:49 | 0:24:52 | |
to hear his arguments face-to-face, | 0:24:52 | 0:24:54 | |
and I learned something about him that day. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:56 | |
So, we came out of the lift and we were met by Trump's lawyer, | 0:24:58 | 0:25:01 | |
and then the man himself came in - | 0:25:01 | 0:25:03 | |
and no sooner had he said "Hi" than he turned to the lawyer | 0:25:03 | 0:25:07 | |
to instruct him on the day's legal business. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:10 | |
Now, I've no idea who the Trump Organisation were up against | 0:25:10 | 0:25:13 | |
at that time or what the dispute was about, | 0:25:13 | 0:25:15 | |
but Trump's instructions were really clear - "Shame him," he said. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:20 | |
"Shame him into withdrawing." | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
I thought that gave a real insight into his character. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:25 | |
He wouldn't compromise, he was absolutely determined to win, | 0:25:25 | 0:25:30 | |
and he didn't care who knew it. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:31 | |
VOICEOVER: In our conversation, I was on the receiving end | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
of the Trump hard sell. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:40 | |
I spent a tremendous amount of money | 0:25:41 | 0:25:43 | |
building what is now probably the greatest golf course ever built, | 0:25:43 | 0:25:47 | |
and a lot of people are saying that. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:48 | |
We are getting tremendous reviews, it's phenomenal for Scotland. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
Tourists are coming from all over the world, | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
they're coming, and Aberdeen is booming. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:56 | |
We have really done a great thing for Aberdeen. | 0:25:56 | 0:25:59 | |
If you look at the hotels, | 0:25:59 | 0:26:00 | |
if you look at the restaurants, they're full because of my course. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
I think we will have the Ryder Cup, I think we'll have the Open, | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
I think we'll have many, many great tournaments over the years. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
I don't know if I'll be around to see them all, | 0:26:09 | 0:26:11 | |
but you'll have many, many great tournaments. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:13 | |
I have built the greatest golf course ever built. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:15 | |
I don't even have a mortgage. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:17 | |
I don't even have financing on it, I did it out of my back pocket. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
I don't need financing. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:21 | |
The work to build | 0:26:21 | 0:26:22 | |
what Donald Trump said would be the greatest golf course on Earth | 0:26:22 | 0:26:26 | |
brought him into conflict with residents on the Menie estate | 0:26:26 | 0:26:30 | |
who refused to sell their homes to him. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:32 | |
Some accused the Trump Organization of dirty tricks. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:36 | |
My wife just gave me a phone call, I was in an office one day, | 0:26:36 | 0:26:40 | |
saying they've got a digger out of the front planting trees, | 0:26:40 | 0:26:42 | |
and it was this type of tree here. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:44 | |
Sitka spruce. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:46 | |
This is the second batch. The first ones died after a couple of years, | 0:26:46 | 0:26:49 | |
they dug them out and put these ones in, | 0:26:49 | 0:26:51 | |
and they backed them up with sycamore, | 0:26:51 | 0:26:53 | |
which, as you can see, are also suffering in the wind. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
The salt spray just kills these things off here. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
You think eventually they will die? | 0:26:59 | 0:27:01 | |
Oh, yeah. They will. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:03 | |
Well, as you can see, a number of them already have - | 0:27:03 | 0:27:05 | |
and, as I say, these are the second batch. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:07 | |
The first ones already did die. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:09 | |
-Do they bother you at all? -They did when they first went in | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
because they formed a complete wall. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:14 | |
They came in at this height, they were fully grown, | 0:27:14 | 0:27:17 | |
transplanted from elsewhere on the estate, and it was a complete hedge. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:21 | |
It was a high hedge built on our boundary. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:23 | |
Is there anything you can do about it? | 0:27:23 | 0:27:25 | |
Well, there is high hedge legislation in Scotland | 0:27:25 | 0:27:27 | |
that we could use that might help. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:29 | |
We haven't pursued it | 0:27:29 | 0:27:30 | |
because we didn't want to be the first in the region to use it - | 0:27:30 | 0:27:33 | |
and, now, the first lot died, these are going the same way, | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
it's probably not worth the effort. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:38 | |
David Milne also complained about an earth mound | 0:27:44 | 0:27:47 | |
that appeared behind his house, | 0:27:47 | 0:27:49 | |
and he refused to pay towards the cost of a fence | 0:27:49 | 0:27:53 | |
the Trumps put up around his property. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:56 | |
There was a lot of bad feeling. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:57 | |
How do you get on with your neighbours on the Menie Estate? | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
You know, it's a bit of a myth | 0:28:02 | 0:28:05 | |
that we don't get on with our neighbours. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:07 | |
We have a great relationship with the vast majority of our neighbours. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:10 | |
Let me take the example of one of your neighbours, David Milne. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:14 | |
Why did you build an earth mound next to his house? | 0:28:14 | 0:28:18 | |
You know, David... | 0:28:18 | 0:28:19 | |
David has made a lot of statements about the property | 0:28:20 | 0:28:26 | |
and us as a business, and... | 0:28:26 | 0:28:30 | |
..much of it, if not all of it, is fabricated. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:33 | |
-There was an earth mound, though. -Yes, there was earth there. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:35 | |
-Why did you build that? -We own the land on the escarpment, | 0:28:35 | 0:28:40 | |
and one of the reasons why we wanted to buy his property | 0:28:40 | 0:28:43 | |
and another neighbouring property | 0:28:43 | 0:28:45 | |
was because we were entering a period of construction. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:49 | |
Now, I don't need to tell you that a 500-acre golf course, | 0:28:49 | 0:28:54 | |
road infrastructure, | 0:28:54 | 0:28:55 | |
laying cables and services is going to be a messy and noisy affair. | 0:28:55 | 0:29:01 | |
Why did you put a fence around his house | 0:29:01 | 0:29:03 | |
and then ask him to pay for half of it? | 0:29:03 | 0:29:06 | |
The fact of the matter is that he had built an extension on his house | 0:29:06 | 0:29:09 | |
many years ago, and it's technically on our land. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:12 | |
Why did you plant trees in front of his house? | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
Because we have the right to plant trees - | 0:29:15 | 0:29:17 | |
and, you know, it's our land. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:19 | |
Why wouldn't we plant trees? | 0:29:19 | 0:29:21 | |
Is that bullying behaviour? | 0:29:21 | 0:29:23 | |
I don't believe so. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:24 | |
I would argue that some of the things that they have done | 0:29:26 | 0:29:30 | |
have been extremely close to harassment and threatening. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:34 | |
Such as? | 0:29:35 | 0:29:36 | |
You know, we're going over old turf here, | 0:29:39 | 0:29:42 | |
which I don't think is particularly edifying. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:45 | |
The fact of the matter is we've built a leisure facility. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:49 | |
We want to have a relationship with all of our neighbours. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:52 | |
We have a great relationship with the vast majority of our neighbours, | 0:29:52 | 0:29:56 | |
and we would have a great relationship with David and his wife | 0:29:56 | 0:29:59 | |
if he wanted to. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:01 | |
-You know... -Is that still possible, do you think? | 0:30:01 | 0:30:04 | |
It's entirely up to them. My door is always open. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:06 | |
Those who refused to sell to Trump | 0:30:10 | 0:30:13 | |
spent years resisting the development. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:15 | |
A public campaign successfully fought off | 0:30:15 | 0:30:18 | |
a threat of compulsory purchase. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:21 | |
As a local councillor, Jim Gifford voted for the development. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:26 | |
Ten years on, he leads the council. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:29 | |
I think, with hindsight, they could have done a lot of stuff better, | 0:30:29 | 0:30:32 | |
right from the start. We have any number of examples | 0:30:32 | 0:30:35 | |
of controversial developments that have come through | 0:30:35 | 0:30:37 | |
in Aberdeenshire over the years, | 0:30:37 | 0:30:39 | |
where the developers have gone out of their way | 0:30:39 | 0:30:41 | |
to involve the local community, | 0:30:41 | 0:30:43 | |
tell them what they were doing, get them on board, | 0:30:43 | 0:30:46 | |
and those things tend to sail through without too much difficulty. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:49 | |
I think the Trump Organization could have learnt a lot | 0:30:49 | 0:30:53 | |
from other developers in terms of how to bring development forward. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:57 | |
Three...two... | 0:30:57 | 0:30:58 | |
..one. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:00 | |
Trump International Golf Links Scotland opened five years ago, | 0:31:02 | 0:31:07 | |
and it's still contentious - | 0:31:07 | 0:31:09 | |
not just with some neighbours and environmental campaigners | 0:31:09 | 0:31:13 | |
but also with some of its supporters | 0:31:13 | 0:31:15 | |
because of the mismatch between what was promised | 0:31:15 | 0:31:19 | |
and what has actually been built. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:21 | |
Talk of two golf courses, a 450-bedroom hotel, | 0:31:21 | 0:31:26 | |
and hundreds of homes seems a bit like fake news... | 0:31:26 | 0:31:30 | |
..because, so far, there's one golf course, a small clubhouse, | 0:31:32 | 0:31:37 | |
and this 16-bedroom hotel in what was the old estate home. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:42 | |
A £1 billion development it is not. | 0:31:42 | 0:31:46 | |
How much money have you spent here, and what have you actually built? | 0:31:46 | 0:31:49 | |
So, to date, we've spent 100 million, | 0:31:49 | 0:31:52 | |
and it's 100 million pure investment, | 0:31:52 | 0:31:54 | |
and, as I've said, it was Trump's private wealth. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:58 | |
There's no mortgages, there's no loans, | 0:31:58 | 0:32:00 | |
there's no liens on this property. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:02 | |
Now, this is a multiphase development. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:05 | |
We said that at the outset. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:07 | |
This wasn't going to get built overnight. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:09 | |
It's a long-term investment opportunity for us | 0:32:09 | 0:32:12 | |
and that's how Mr Trump has always approached it. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:16 | |
So, for phase one, that includes the anchor, | 0:32:16 | 0:32:19 | |
the impetus for the whole site, | 0:32:19 | 0:32:20 | |
which is the championship golf course, | 0:32:20 | 0:32:23 | |
which is award-winning - | 0:32:23 | 0:32:25 | |
and defying even our harshest of critics, it really is a masterpiece. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:29 | |
How many people are employed by Trump International? | 0:32:29 | 0:32:33 | |
So, including our caddies, we have 150 people engaged here | 0:32:33 | 0:32:38 | |
at the estate. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:39 | |
Full-time? | 0:32:39 | 0:32:40 | |
A mix of full and part-time. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:41 | |
We are a seasonal property, remember. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:43 | |
We open in April through to the end of October, | 0:32:43 | 0:32:46 | |
and then we have our winter offering - | 0:32:46 | 0:32:47 | |
and, obviously, we have a variety of service providers | 0:32:47 | 0:32:51 | |
that are reliant on us, and a whole supply chain. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:55 | |
So, it's not the billion pounds worth of investment | 0:32:55 | 0:32:58 | |
and the potential for 6,000 jobs that was promised? | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
But we haven't finished. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:05 | |
You know, the project is a multiphase project - | 0:33:05 | 0:33:10 | |
and, you know, we're not stupid. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:13 | |
The golf course, impressive as it is, | 0:33:13 | 0:33:15 | |
has permanently changed the dune environment at Menie. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:19 | |
So much so, the government agency Scottish National Heritage | 0:33:19 | 0:33:23 | |
has told us it now has the special scientific status of this site | 0:33:23 | 0:33:27 | |
under review. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:29 | |
I'll be absolutely surprised if it's renotified. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:32 | |
It really should be denotified, | 0:33:32 | 0:33:33 | |
because there's no dynamism involved in that site now - | 0:33:33 | 0:33:37 | |
and that was original justification for its notification. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:41 | |
So, from a scientific point of view, this site's been ruined? | 0:33:41 | 0:33:44 | |
It's been ruined from a virgin, undeveloped wilderness site | 0:33:44 | 0:33:50 | |
into something that's relatively manicured. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:52 | |
Was it worth tearing up this Site of Special Scientific Interest | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
-for what has been delivered? -For what is only there just now, no, | 0:33:57 | 0:34:01 | |
because the economic benefit hasn't come through. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:04 | |
In the big picture that was put in front of us ten years ago, | 0:34:05 | 0:34:08 | |
it was worth doing. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:09 | |
What duty does the Trump Organization have | 0:34:09 | 0:34:11 | |
to deliver those benefits? | 0:34:11 | 0:34:13 | |
I think they have an obligation to bring forward what they promised. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
That's the bottom line of it. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:17 | |
The difficulty we have is we can't force them to do that. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:19 | |
What's already there is not generating a profit. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:26 | |
The latest accounts show Trump's Scottish businesses | 0:34:26 | 0:34:29 | |
lost £19 million to the end of 2016, | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
with revenues down year-on-year in Aberdeenshire. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:36 | |
This place hasn't made any money yet, has it? | 0:34:37 | 0:34:39 | |
No. It's... And we didn't expect it to. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:42 | |
It's still in the early stages of its life, | 0:34:42 | 0:34:44 | |
and year-on-year we keep spending money, you know, | 0:34:44 | 0:34:47 | |
adding new services, | 0:34:47 | 0:34:48 | |
adding new facilities... | 0:34:48 | 0:34:50 | |
Investing in our resources, investing in our people - | 0:34:50 | 0:34:54 | |
and that is set to continue for some time. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:57 | |
But does that not matter? | 0:34:57 | 0:34:59 | |
When you're a billionaire, you know... | 0:34:59 | 0:35:01 | |
There are some projects... | 0:35:01 | 0:35:03 | |
..that a quick return on is the motivating factor | 0:35:04 | 0:35:09 | |
but this was not... | 0:35:09 | 0:35:11 | |
..that kind of project. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:13 | |
Trump wasn't coming to Balmedie in Aberdeenshire in Scotland | 0:35:13 | 0:35:16 | |
to make a fast buck. Come on! | 0:35:16 | 0:35:19 | |
Some people have said it's a vanity project. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:21 | |
Who's some people? What does that even mean? | 0:35:21 | 0:35:25 | |
Is it a vanity project? | 0:35:25 | 0:35:27 | |
I think it's a glorious project, | 0:35:28 | 0:35:29 | |
it's one that he's immensely proud of, | 0:35:29 | 0:35:31 | |
and why wouldn't he be? He's set the bar incredibly high. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:35 | |
There may be more construction on the way. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:40 | |
A planning application for a second golf course is in | 0:35:40 | 0:35:43 | |
and has already prompted environmental objections. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:46 | |
Undeterred, Sarah Malone and her architect | 0:35:46 | 0:35:49 | |
have plans for a major new phase of development on the Menie Estate. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:53 | |
Right, so, here's the plan. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
Where are we on this at the moment in MacLeod House? | 0:35:56 | 0:35:59 | |
We're overlooking the ponds that you can see out of the gardens - | 0:35:59 | 0:36:03 | |
and then, beyond that, nestled within the trees, | 0:36:03 | 0:36:05 | |
you have the housing starting, | 0:36:05 | 0:36:07 | |
and then beyond that, that is called Chapter One. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:10 | |
They are looking to build a village with 550 homes, | 0:36:11 | 0:36:15 | |
a mixture of residential and holiday accommodation - | 0:36:15 | 0:36:19 | |
but there is something they were supposed to build first | 0:36:19 | 0:36:22 | |
that's missing. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:24 | |
The idea of the grand hotel, is that gone now? | 0:36:24 | 0:36:28 | |
Well, I think for now... | 0:36:28 | 0:36:30 | |
It doesn't make a great deal of sense. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:33 | |
I think you just need to look at... | 0:36:33 | 0:36:34 | |
-The world's changed. -The world's changed, | 0:36:34 | 0:36:36 | |
the hotel industry in the north-east of Scotland | 0:36:36 | 0:36:38 | |
has changed dramatically. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:40 | |
Not only has the big hotel gone, | 0:36:40 | 0:36:42 | |
but the Trump Organization wants to build residential and holiday homes | 0:36:42 | 0:36:47 | |
at the same time, rather than in the phases specified | 0:36:47 | 0:36:50 | |
in the original planning consent. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:53 | |
Well, I think the Trump Organization, | 0:36:53 | 0:36:56 | |
whoever's putting forward the proposals, | 0:36:56 | 0:36:58 | |
will have a huge credibility problem | 0:36:58 | 0:37:00 | |
in persuading this generation of planners and councillors | 0:37:00 | 0:37:05 | |
in Aberdeenshire to believe the commitments they are now making, | 0:37:05 | 0:37:09 | |
given the track record of the last ten years - | 0:37:09 | 0:37:12 | |
and they face the most enormous credibility problem - | 0:37:12 | 0:37:15 | |
not one, incidentally, they would have faced | 0:37:15 | 0:37:17 | |
if they'd just put their hands up | 0:37:17 | 0:37:19 | |
and said, "Look, the world economic environment | 0:37:19 | 0:37:21 | |
"has fundamentally changed from when we made these promises | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
"to the position it was maybe two or three, four years ago." | 0:37:24 | 0:37:27 | |
That, I think, would have been understood. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:29 | |
People could have understood that. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:31 | |
In America, not everyone understands how the President, a world leader, | 0:37:44 | 0:37:50 | |
can continue to own a global business. | 0:37:50 | 0:37:52 | |
The White House insists Donald Trump | 0:37:52 | 0:37:55 | |
no longer runs the company he created | 0:37:55 | 0:37:57 | |
and is not involved in deciding what to build in Aberdeenshire. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:01 | |
Not only are these plans controversial in Scotland, | 0:38:05 | 0:38:08 | |
they're controversial here in Washington, too, | 0:38:08 | 0:38:11 | |
because Donald Trump's critics - | 0:38:11 | 0:38:13 | |
lawyers, journalists and political opponents - | 0:38:13 | 0:38:16 | |
say that it's a conflict of interest | 0:38:16 | 0:38:18 | |
for the President of the United States | 0:38:18 | 0:38:20 | |
to have business interests all over the world. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:23 | |
Jeremy Venook is a journalist | 0:38:26 | 0:38:28 | |
who's been researching Donald Trump's overseas business interests | 0:38:28 | 0:38:32 | |
for the past year, including his Aberdeenshire golf resort. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:36 | |
Before he entered office, | 0:38:36 | 0:38:38 | |
the Trump Organization and Trump himself laid out a plan | 0:38:38 | 0:38:41 | |
by which they said they would | 0:38:41 | 0:38:43 | |
avoid creating any more conflicts of interest | 0:38:43 | 0:38:45 | |
in which they promised that the Trump Organization | 0:38:45 | 0:38:48 | |
would not be pursuing any new deals | 0:38:48 | 0:38:50 | |
and would cancel all of its pending deals in other countries. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:53 | |
Now, the expansion at Aberdeen seems to go against that pledge | 0:38:53 | 0:38:57 | |
and creates increased possibilities | 0:38:57 | 0:38:59 | |
that President Trump and his organisation | 0:38:59 | 0:39:02 | |
could come into conflict with government entities in Scotland | 0:39:02 | 0:39:05 | |
and in other countries where the Trump Organization | 0:39:05 | 0:39:08 | |
is pursuing expansion plans. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:09 | |
And some in Washington | 0:39:10 | 0:39:12 | |
are also looking into Trump's other Scottish investment. | 0:39:12 | 0:39:16 | |
Trump's golf course at Turnberry has also featured | 0:39:16 | 0:39:19 | |
in worries about his conflict of interest | 0:39:19 | 0:39:21 | |
because of a £110,000 tax break that he received | 0:39:21 | 0:39:25 | |
from the South Ayrshire Council. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:27 | |
That demonstrates one of the other issues | 0:39:27 | 0:39:29 | |
with President Trump's decision | 0:39:29 | 0:39:31 | |
to hold on to his businesses while he is President, | 0:39:31 | 0:39:33 | |
which is that they offer all sorts of opportunities | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
for people who may want to curry favour with the President | 0:39:36 | 0:39:39 | |
by using his finances to get to him. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:41 | |
This being America, a legal challenge is already underway. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:49 | |
The ethical standards campaign CREW | 0:39:49 | 0:39:51 | |
argues that the President's international investments | 0:39:51 | 0:39:54 | |
are unconstitutional. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:56 | |
There are actually two clauses | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
of the United States Constitution called the emoluments clauses. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:02 | |
One of them, the foreign emoluments clause, | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
says essentially that the President or any other government official | 0:40:05 | 0:40:10 | |
cannot be getting payments or things of value | 0:40:10 | 0:40:14 | |
from foreign governments. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:16 | |
President Trump would say he's handed control of the business | 0:40:16 | 0:40:20 | |
over to his sons. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:21 | |
Why don't you accept that? | 0:40:21 | 0:40:23 | |
Who is managing the business on a day-to-day basis | 0:40:23 | 0:40:26 | |
isn't really what matters. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:27 | |
What matters is who benefits from the business, | 0:40:27 | 0:40:30 | |
who owns the business - | 0:40:30 | 0:40:31 | |
and that continues to be Donald Trump. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:33 | |
He didn't sell the companies, he didn't give the companies away. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:38 | |
He continues to profit from them. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:40 | |
The President has taken steps to avoid conflicts of interest. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:44 | |
These papers are just some of the many documents that I've signed | 0:40:44 | 0:40:48 | |
turning over complete and total control to my sons. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:52 | |
I hope at the end of eight years | 0:40:52 | 0:40:53 | |
I'll come back and I'll say "Oh, you did a good job." | 0:40:53 | 0:40:56 | |
Otherwise, if they do a bad job, I'll say, "You're fired!" | 0:40:56 | 0:40:59 | |
Goodbye, everybody. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:01 | |
Supporters of the President | 0:41:01 | 0:41:03 | |
insist attacks on these arrangements are not justified. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:07 | |
This is a man who has handed over the control of all his businesses | 0:41:07 | 0:41:11 | |
very publicly in a press conference | 0:41:11 | 0:41:13 | |
before he came into the White House. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:14 | |
So, he's not involved in the running of his businesses. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:18 | |
They may bear his name, but you can't take his name off his legacy. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:23 | |
He's built it for 50 years. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:25 | |
Even if they change the name of his hotels or his golf courses, | 0:41:25 | 0:41:28 | |
everybody knows who built them. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:29 | |
The takeover of Turnberry | 0:41:32 | 0:41:33 | |
strengthened the Trump family's ties with Scotland. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:38 | |
In all the jobs we've done around the world, | 0:41:38 | 0:41:40 | |
never have we met such unbelievable partners | 0:41:40 | 0:41:43 | |
who have welcomed us with open arms. Everything that we wanted to do, | 0:41:43 | 0:41:47 | |
every capital investment we wanted to make, they were 100% behind us. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:52 | |
As the Trumps redeveloped Turnberry, | 0:41:52 | 0:41:54 | |
they worked closely with South Ayrshire Council | 0:41:54 | 0:41:57 | |
and other local partners. | 0:41:57 | 0:41:59 | |
They wanted not to improve just infrastructure | 0:41:59 | 0:42:02 | |
and quality of the buildings | 0:42:02 | 0:42:04 | |
but also to engage very closely with the local community. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:08 | |
Therefore, a lot of local contractors were used | 0:42:08 | 0:42:11 | |
as part of that refurbishment. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:12 | |
What economic impact has it had locally? | 0:42:12 | 0:42:15 | |
I think really the employment has the biggest impact. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:19 | |
It's down in a fairly rural area. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:21 | |
There are not many big employers in Girvan, Maybole, etc - | 0:42:21 | 0:42:25 | |
and to have the opportunity to employ, I think, currently, | 0:42:25 | 0:42:30 | |
they've got 454 staff, 85% of which are Scottish and local, | 0:42:30 | 0:42:35 | |
which is really key, I think, | 0:42:35 | 0:42:37 | |
for young people in that particular area. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:39 | |
When he opened the newly-refurbished resort, | 0:42:42 | 0:42:44 | |
the then presidential candidate once again stressed the importance | 0:42:44 | 0:42:48 | |
of his Scottish roots. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:49 | |
My mother was born in Scotland, in Stornoway. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:54 | |
She would come to Turnberry with her friends - | 0:42:54 | 0:42:57 | |
and they'd have dinner at Turnberry. | 0:42:57 | 0:42:59 | |
She didn't play golf but they'd have dinner at Turnberry. | 0:42:59 | 0:43:02 | |
So, having taken this hotel and done the job we've done with it | 0:43:02 | 0:43:07 | |
is just an honour - | 0:43:07 | 0:43:08 | |
and to think that we'd be here owning Turnberry one day | 0:43:08 | 0:43:12 | |
would be incredible. | 0:43:12 | 0:43:14 | |
It was the day after the Brexit vote | 0:43:14 | 0:43:17 | |
and he also welcomed the UK's decision | 0:43:17 | 0:43:19 | |
to leave the European Union. | 0:43:19 | 0:43:21 | |
People want to see borders. | 0:43:21 | 0:43:23 | |
They don't necessarily want people pouring into their country | 0:43:23 | 0:43:27 | |
that they don't know who they are and where they come from, | 0:43:27 | 0:43:29 | |
they have no idea. And I think, you know, | 0:43:29 | 0:43:32 | |
not only did it win, but it won by a much bigger margin | 0:43:32 | 0:43:34 | |
than people thought it would happen. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:36 | |
With Donald Trump, the personal, political and commercial | 0:43:43 | 0:43:48 | |
are intertwined. | 0:43:48 | 0:43:50 | |
Welcome to the Donald Trump Ballroom, our masterpiece. | 0:43:50 | 0:43:55 | |
It's not yet clear what his election will mean | 0:43:55 | 0:43:58 | |
for Scotland and the wider UK. | 0:43:58 | 0:44:01 | |
He's long been the subject of much criticism here. | 0:44:01 | 0:44:05 | |
What would you do if Donald Trump gets into power? | 0:44:05 | 0:44:07 | |
Will you deal with him or dinghy him? | 0:44:07 | 0:44:08 | |
Deal with him or dinghy him? Deal with him or dinghy him? | 0:44:08 | 0:44:11 | |
I think America will dinghy him before I do. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:13 | |
-I'd like to dinghy him before he got into power. -Would you? | 0:44:13 | 0:44:16 | |
Yeah. Actually, I don't believe he will ever be | 0:44:16 | 0:44:18 | |
President of the United States. | 0:44:18 | 0:44:19 | |
I have too much faith in the wisdom of crowds. | 0:44:19 | 0:44:21 | |
I don't think the Americans will ever elect him President. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:24 | |
But would you have to deal with him, though? | 0:44:24 | 0:44:26 | |
What do you think of his hair? Do you like his hair? | 0:44:26 | 0:44:28 | |
I think it reminds me of Dougie Donnelly. | 0:44:28 | 0:44:30 | |
The First Minister went further in a TV debate. | 0:44:31 | 0:44:35 | |
Donald Trump calls you. | 0:44:36 | 0:44:39 | |
What's your opening gambit? | 0:44:39 | 0:44:41 | |
I actually do think the good people of America | 0:44:41 | 0:44:43 | |
will send Donald Trump packing | 0:44:43 | 0:44:44 | |
and we should all rejoice when that happens. | 0:44:44 | 0:44:47 | |
And what would you say? What would your message be? | 0:44:48 | 0:44:50 | |
"I'm on the other line, sorry." | 0:44:50 | 0:44:53 | |
In fact, Nicola Sturgeon did take the new President's call | 0:44:53 | 0:44:57 | |
and congratulated him. | 0:44:57 | 0:44:59 | |
Earlier this year, she visited the USA during Scotland Week... | 0:44:59 | 0:45:03 | |
..but there was no meeting with President Trump. | 0:45:03 | 0:45:05 | |
Obviously, you've been a critic | 0:45:07 | 0:45:09 | |
of the current President of the United States, | 0:45:09 | 0:45:12 | |
with accusations levelled at him of misogyny and of racism, | 0:45:12 | 0:45:16 | |
you've stripped him of his role as an ambassador for Scottish business. | 0:45:16 | 0:45:19 | |
Have you had to bite your tongue this week? | 0:45:19 | 0:45:21 | |
No, I haven't had to bite my tongue. | 0:45:21 | 0:45:23 | |
I respect the fact that, | 0:45:23 | 0:45:24 | |
notwithstanding political disagreements I will have | 0:45:24 | 0:45:27 | |
with President Trump, | 0:45:27 | 0:45:28 | |
that he is the elected President of the United States. | 0:45:28 | 0:45:31 | |
I also am absolutely determined | 0:45:31 | 0:45:32 | |
that whoever is the President of the United States, | 0:45:32 | 0:45:35 | |
whoever is First Minister of Scotland | 0:45:35 | 0:45:37 | |
from time to time that we concentrate on building | 0:45:37 | 0:45:40 | |
and strengthening and deepening the many links | 0:45:40 | 0:45:42 | |
between Scotland and the United States, | 0:45:42 | 0:45:44 | |
and that is what the visit has been entirely focused on. | 0:45:44 | 0:45:47 | |
But what do the President's supporters make | 0:45:48 | 0:45:50 | |
of the way Scotland's politicians behaved? | 0:45:50 | 0:45:53 | |
It's not what you do. | 0:45:54 | 0:45:55 | |
It's the same way that - why did President Obama | 0:45:55 | 0:45:59 | |
try to force the hand of the British people voting | 0:45:59 | 0:46:04 | |
with regards to exiting the EU? | 0:46:04 | 0:46:05 | |
To threaten that they would be at the end of the queue | 0:46:05 | 0:46:08 | |
when it came to trade relations? | 0:46:08 | 0:46:11 | |
Americans shouldn't do that, | 0:46:11 | 0:46:12 | |
other politicians shouldn't do that with us. | 0:46:12 | 0:46:15 | |
Are there consequences for taking a stand | 0:46:15 | 0:46:17 | |
against the highest political office on the planet? | 0:46:17 | 0:46:21 | |
You'd have to ask the President, but he has a very, very long memory. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:24 | |
-Meaning? -He doesn't forget stuff. | 0:46:26 | 0:46:28 | |
Another Trump supporter, Jeffrey Lord, | 0:46:29 | 0:46:31 | |
worked in the Reagan White House. | 0:46:31 | 0:46:33 | |
When you work in the White House, the President's photographer, | 0:46:33 | 0:46:36 | |
every President's photographer, | 0:46:36 | 0:46:38 | |
their job is to record history all day long - | 0:46:38 | 0:46:41 | |
and then if you're on the White House staff | 0:46:41 | 0:46:43 | |
and you see one that you like, | 0:46:43 | 0:46:45 | |
you lift it off, | 0:46:45 | 0:46:47 | |
and you sign your name on the back. | 0:46:47 | 0:46:48 | |
There we are, Jeff Lord, political affairs. | 0:46:48 | 0:46:50 | |
Exactly. It's up to the President's photographer who gets it, | 0:46:50 | 0:46:54 | |
and I was fortunate enough to get this one. | 0:46:54 | 0:46:57 | |
Now a writer and commentator, he specialises in political relations. | 0:46:57 | 0:47:02 | |
Do you think our politicians in Scotland made a mistake | 0:47:02 | 0:47:06 | |
criticising Donald Trump? | 0:47:06 | 0:47:08 | |
I always think that kind of thing in general is a mistake. | 0:47:08 | 0:47:11 | |
That said, I understand the politics of it, | 0:47:11 | 0:47:13 | |
that they are playing to their own version of their base | 0:47:13 | 0:47:17 | |
and attacking Donald Trump, in this case, is popular in some circles. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:22 | |
So they do it - but I think it's not a helpful thing. | 0:47:22 | 0:47:26 | |
Will that backfire in some way? | 0:47:26 | 0:47:28 | |
It could. It could. | 0:47:28 | 0:47:30 | |
Again, America being... | 0:47:32 | 0:47:34 | |
American history being what it is and having separated itself | 0:47:34 | 0:47:39 | |
from the UK in the American Revolution, | 0:47:39 | 0:47:42 | |
there's always that strain in America, | 0:47:42 | 0:47:44 | |
that's just sort of under the surface, that we're Americans, | 0:47:44 | 0:47:47 | |
we're not the old world, and we're going to do things our own way. | 0:47:47 | 0:47:53 | |
In the land of the free, | 0:47:58 | 0:48:00 | |
there's a great tradition of poking fun at the rich and powerful. | 0:48:00 | 0:48:05 | |
Capitol Steps have been performing political satire in Washington DC | 0:48:05 | 0:48:08 | |
for decades. | 0:48:08 | 0:48:10 | |
# He's got something that's right when we turn out the lights | 0:48:12 | 0:48:17 | |
# That's when Donald shows me his charms | 0:48:17 | 0:48:20 | |
# And then my heart sings at those small things... | 0:48:21 | 0:48:25 | |
# At the end of his arms | 0:48:26 | 0:48:30 | |
# I want a man with a small hand | 0:48:30 | 0:48:34 | |
# Don't want somebody else to be my spouse | 0:48:34 | 0:48:39 | |
# Don't like those guys who's always showing some hands | 0:48:39 | 0:48:42 | |
# Like those big hands you see on Mickey Mouse... # | 0:48:42 | 0:48:46 | |
The cast includes some who've worked on Capitol Hill | 0:48:46 | 0:48:50 | |
in the business of government. | 0:48:50 | 0:48:52 | |
# A man who wasn't dealt a full hand. # | 0:48:52 | 0:48:56 | |
Now, as Donald Trump's not agreed to be interviewed for this film, | 0:49:01 | 0:49:05 | |
in the spirit of the show, I decided to improvise. | 0:49:05 | 0:49:08 | |
We're making a film about President Trump. | 0:49:09 | 0:49:13 | |
What about the state visit, are you going to make that to the UK? | 0:49:13 | 0:49:17 | |
Make it to the UK? | 0:49:17 | 0:49:19 | |
I don't know. You know, talk to my people, OK? | 0:49:20 | 0:49:22 | |
I don't know, it's just hard to say. | 0:49:22 | 0:49:24 | |
I mean, I'm going to make it great. If I make it there, | 0:49:24 | 0:49:27 | |
it'll be great, it'll be fantastic, it'll be the best visit ever. | 0:49:27 | 0:49:29 | |
Ever. Biggest visit you could imagine. | 0:49:29 | 0:49:31 | |
What if there are protests, though? Some people don't like you. | 0:49:31 | 0:49:35 | |
That's impossible, that's fake news. | 0:49:35 | 0:49:36 | |
No-one ever said that. Everyone loves me. | 0:49:36 | 0:49:38 | |
They love me, you understand? | 0:49:38 | 0:49:39 | |
Look at the crowd here. There's a million people here right now. | 0:49:39 | 0:49:42 | |
There's nobody here. | 0:49:42 | 0:49:43 | |
-Please be seated. -There's absolutely nobody here. | 0:49:43 | 0:49:46 | |
Be seated, quiet down, you're fake news, get out of here. | 0:49:46 | 0:49:49 | |
Get him out of here. | 0:49:49 | 0:49:51 | |
The real Donald Trump is a hugely controversial President. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:55 | |
There are regularly protests like this outside his family businesses. | 0:49:55 | 0:49:59 | |
Donald Trump may have divided opinion in Scotland | 0:50:01 | 0:50:04 | |
for and against his golf development in Aberdeenshire, | 0:50:04 | 0:50:08 | |
but that's nothing compared to this, | 0:50:08 | 0:50:10 | |
the way in which his policies as President | 0:50:10 | 0:50:13 | |
have divided opinion in the United States. | 0:50:13 | 0:50:16 | |
Yes, he promised to build a wall with Mexico | 0:50:16 | 0:50:19 | |
and to restrict immigration | 0:50:19 | 0:50:21 | |
from a range of mainly Muslim countries. | 0:50:21 | 0:50:24 | |
That helped to get him elected - | 0:50:24 | 0:50:25 | |
but there are no shortage of people prepared to stand up | 0:50:25 | 0:50:29 | |
and fight him on those policies. | 0:50:29 | 0:50:31 | |
President Trump is likely to receive a similar reception in the UK. | 0:50:35 | 0:50:40 | |
That may be why there is not yet a date for the state visit | 0:50:40 | 0:50:43 | |
he was offered and accepted within days of taking office. | 0:50:43 | 0:50:48 | |
The problem for UK and Scottish politicians to resolve | 0:50:48 | 0:50:51 | |
is how best to handle such an unpredictable President. | 0:50:51 | 0:50:55 | |
Well, I think in these international relationships... | 0:50:57 | 0:51:00 | |
..it is perfectly possible to take a very strong stance | 0:51:01 | 0:51:05 | |
and have a strong opinion on what somebody is saying or doing | 0:51:05 | 0:51:09 | |
and still be able to have a dialogue with them. | 0:51:09 | 0:51:13 | |
I met President Putin twice when I was First Minister. | 0:51:13 | 0:51:16 | |
I didn't... No, we didn't agree on most of the topics | 0:51:17 | 0:51:20 | |
that we discussed, | 0:51:20 | 0:51:21 | |
but we had a great, very good relationship, you know? | 0:51:21 | 0:51:24 | |
And good quality discussion. | 0:51:25 | 0:51:28 | |
You should try and tell the truth to power. | 0:51:28 | 0:51:30 | |
I mean, I obviously respect the fact that Nicola Sturgeon, for example, | 0:51:30 | 0:51:35 | |
is in office and you cannot, for example - some people suggested, | 0:51:35 | 0:51:38 | |
say you will refuse to be the President of the United States. | 0:51:38 | 0:51:41 | |
You can't do that. You've got to respect office, | 0:51:41 | 0:51:43 | |
regardless of what you think of individuals. | 0:51:43 | 0:51:45 | |
The election of Donald Trump may have put a bit of a dampener | 0:51:51 | 0:51:55 | |
on the political relationship between Scotland and America, | 0:51:55 | 0:51:59 | |
but in a country that so many Scottish migrants helped to shape, | 0:51:59 | 0:52:04 | |
there are more enduring bonds - shared history, family, culture. | 0:52:04 | 0:52:09 | |
BAGPIPES PLAY | 0:52:12 | 0:52:13 | |
In rural Virginia, in Scottish weather, a taste of the old country. | 0:52:16 | 0:52:22 | |
That's really good. | 0:52:23 | 0:52:25 | |
American Scots from all over the States come to games like this | 0:52:32 | 0:52:36 | |
to celebrate their heritage and eat haggis. | 0:52:36 | 0:52:40 | |
-There you go. -Lovely, thanks very much. | 0:52:40 | 0:52:41 | |
-You're welcome. -Is this a popular dish on your menu? | 0:52:41 | 0:52:45 | |
One of the first things we run out of. | 0:52:45 | 0:52:47 | |
-Really? -Yeah. -So can I try it with some whisky sauce, then? | 0:52:47 | 0:52:49 | |
Absolutely. | 0:52:49 | 0:52:50 | |
-I'm not quite so sure with the whisky sauce. -Oh. | 0:52:52 | 0:52:55 | |
Having a half-Scottish President | 0:52:55 | 0:52:57 | |
should be good for strengthening links | 0:52:57 | 0:52:59 | |
between Scotland and America. | 0:52:59 | 0:53:02 | |
If it was anyone other than Donald Trump, | 0:53:02 | 0:53:05 | |
we'd be claiming him as one of our own. | 0:53:05 | 0:53:07 | |
Is it just possible we're missing a trick? | 0:53:07 | 0:53:11 | |
Did you know that your President, President Trump, is half-Scottish? | 0:53:11 | 0:53:14 | |
I was aware of that. I try and deny that as much as I can. | 0:53:15 | 0:53:19 | |
-Oh, do you? -I'm not a big fan of him. | 0:53:19 | 0:53:21 | |
Did you know that your President is half-Scottish? | 0:53:21 | 0:53:24 | |
-I did not. -His mum was from the Isle of Lewis. | 0:53:24 | 0:53:27 | |
-I got to tell you, I'm on a Trump-free weekend. -Oh! | 0:53:27 | 0:53:30 | |
So, if you're a MacLeod, might you be related to President Trump? | 0:53:32 | 0:53:36 | |
Eurgh, hopefully not! | 0:53:36 | 0:53:38 | |
You know his mum was a MacLeod from the Isle of Lewis? | 0:53:38 | 0:53:40 | |
Really? As I said, a distant cousin. | 0:53:40 | 0:53:43 | |
There is an invitation for President Trump to come to the UK | 0:53:43 | 0:53:47 | |
on a state visit, which is quite controversial. | 0:53:47 | 0:53:50 | |
-What do you think we should do? -Oh, I think he should go. | 0:53:50 | 0:53:53 | |
I think he should go. | 0:53:53 | 0:53:54 | |
Any opportunity to strengthen bonds should be welcomed. | 0:53:54 | 0:53:59 | |
His mum was from the Isle of Lewis. | 0:53:59 | 0:54:01 | |
-OK. -Who knew? -She was a MacLeod from the Isle of Lewis. | 0:54:01 | 0:54:03 | |
Oh. I didn't know that. | 0:54:03 | 0:54:06 | |
-Good to know. -I would say, if more people knew | 0:54:06 | 0:54:09 | |
and he was able to portray that positively... | 0:54:09 | 0:54:13 | |
-..that that would be... -You are so politically correct! | 0:54:13 | 0:54:18 | |
Thank you! | 0:54:19 | 0:54:21 | |
Did you know that President Trump is half-Scottish? | 0:54:21 | 0:54:23 | |
Are you serious?! | 0:54:25 | 0:54:26 | |
Yeah, his mum was born and raised on the Isle of Lewis. | 0:54:26 | 0:54:30 | |
I love Donald Trump, so that just makes everything so much better. | 0:54:30 | 0:54:35 | |
Maybe he should make more of it. | 0:54:35 | 0:54:36 | |
Oh, you're saying that President Trump | 0:54:36 | 0:54:38 | |
should kind of admit that he is a little bit Scottish | 0:54:38 | 0:54:41 | |
and start to connect to his heritage? | 0:54:41 | 0:54:43 | |
I don't know, do you think that's a good idea? | 0:54:43 | 0:54:45 | |
I think so, yeah, even if the Scots deny it, which I assume they will. | 0:54:45 | 0:54:49 | |
I think... | 0:54:49 | 0:54:51 | |
Well, he's not universally popular in Scotland, that's true. | 0:54:51 | 0:54:53 | |
Mm-hm. I hear he's more German than anything else, so... | 0:54:53 | 0:54:58 | |
So, do you get on well with the Saint Andrew's Society? | 0:54:58 | 0:55:00 | |
Do you do stuff together as well? | 0:55:00 | 0:55:02 | |
-No, we don't, but... -Oh, I see, this is local. | 0:55:02 | 0:55:04 | |
-Right. -This is this county. | 0:55:04 | 0:55:05 | |
Now, I have difficulty pronouncing... | 0:55:05 | 0:55:09 | |
-Faw-kee-err. -I beg your pardon? | 0:55:09 | 0:55:11 | |
OK, we're just going! | 0:55:11 | 0:55:12 | |
He's got that caber up, let's give them some encouragement. | 0:55:15 | 0:55:17 | |
Come on, Brady. Show 'em how it's done. | 0:55:17 | 0:55:21 | |
There we go. That's what we came to see. | 0:55:25 | 0:55:28 | |
As I come around... | 0:55:30 | 0:55:31 | |
In Scotland, we love a good argument. | 0:55:31 | 0:55:34 | |
For centuries, we've been famous for fighting. | 0:55:34 | 0:55:37 | |
Don't point that at my face. | 0:55:37 | 0:55:39 | |
I'm going to point it. | 0:55:39 | 0:55:40 | |
It's my job. I kind of have to. | 0:55:41 | 0:55:43 | |
-OK. -I'm going to let you attack me. | 0:55:43 | 0:55:44 | |
-OK. -I'm a professional. | 0:55:44 | 0:55:46 | |
Is this going to end up hurting me? | 0:55:46 | 0:55:48 | |
I hope so, but it should be OK. | 0:55:48 | 0:55:50 | |
Is taking a stand a barrier to a beautiful friendship? | 0:55:50 | 0:55:54 | |
Does anyone have any choice but to hold Donald Trump at arm's length? | 0:55:55 | 0:55:59 | |
He sullies everything that he comes in contact with. | 0:55:59 | 0:56:04 | |
You cannot do business with this person and come out whole. | 0:56:04 | 0:56:07 | |
I think it's probably safe to say that there are Scots | 0:56:13 | 0:56:15 | |
who just can't stand Donald Trump, as there are Americans | 0:56:15 | 0:56:18 | |
who can't stand Donald Trump, but I think it would behoove them to... | 0:56:18 | 0:56:22 | |
You know, the American people made their decision | 0:56:22 | 0:56:25 | |
and welcome him with open arms | 0:56:25 | 0:56:26 | |
and have candid talks and move on. | 0:56:26 | 0:56:30 | |
The Donald Trump you saw in Scotland | 0:56:31 | 0:56:34 | |
demonstrated to Scots, before the world understood, | 0:56:34 | 0:56:38 | |
that he is not a man to be trusted. | 0:56:38 | 0:56:41 | |
That this is a person who will do and say almost anything | 0:56:41 | 0:56:45 | |
to gain for himself - | 0:56:45 | 0:56:46 | |
and it's why the world no longer looks to the United States | 0:56:46 | 0:56:50 | |
for the leadership it once provided. | 0:56:50 | 0:56:52 | |
Do you want to thrive? Do you want to prosper? | 0:56:56 | 0:56:58 | |
Do you want to be friends with the most powerful man in the world | 0:56:58 | 0:57:01 | |
who runs the most powerful country in the world? | 0:57:01 | 0:57:03 | |
It's a rhetorical question, right? | 0:57:03 | 0:57:05 | |
Love him or loathe him, | 0:57:08 | 0:57:11 | |
Donald Trump is arguably the most Scottish President in US history. | 0:57:11 | 0:57:16 | |
Remember, Trump's a nice guy. | 0:57:16 | 0:57:18 | |
What would be nice is to be able to predict what will happen next. | 0:57:18 | 0:57:23 | |
Unfortunately, that's not possible. | 0:57:23 | 0:57:26 | |
Looking back, Donald Trump's | 0:57:26 | 0:57:28 | |
dealings in Scotland have left a very mixed legacy. | 0:57:28 | 0:57:32 | |
-Where are we now, David? -Well, this is our rooftop - | 0:57:33 | 0:57:36 | |
our lookout, if you like. This is where we get the best view from, | 0:57:36 | 0:57:39 | |
where we can see what's going on in the area. | 0:57:39 | 0:57:41 | |
And you're also flying a couple of flags, | 0:57:41 | 0:57:43 | |
the Saltire of Scotland and... | 0:57:43 | 0:57:45 | |
And the Mexican flag. | 0:57:45 | 0:57:47 | |
-Why? -Well, the Mexican flag is just in solidarity | 0:57:47 | 0:57:50 | |
with the Mexican people. | 0:57:50 | 0:57:51 | |
Basically because Trump has threatened to build a wall | 0:57:51 | 0:57:54 | |
and make them pay for it. He's already tried that here. | 0:57:54 | 0:57:57 | |
He built a fence and sent us a bill for it. | 0:57:57 | 0:57:59 | |
He likes to win. | 0:58:03 | 0:58:05 | |
He's a great deal-maker | 0:58:05 | 0:58:07 | |
and he sees the potential in places and people | 0:58:07 | 0:58:10 | |
and has the ability to create extraordinary things. | 0:58:10 | 0:58:15 | |
Do you think Trump might sell? | 0:58:16 | 0:58:18 | |
No. | 0:58:18 | 0:58:20 | |
-Absolutely not. -Why are you so sure? | 0:58:20 | 0:58:22 | |
Because he loves this place. | 0:58:22 | 0:58:24 |