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OK, so you're passionate about | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
your national identity? | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
Enough to have electromagnetic needles inject | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
indelible ink under your skin?! | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
I've got the Scottish flag tattooed on my skin. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:16 | |
It's inked on me. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:18 | |
I'm Stuart Cosgrove. And in the year of the referendum, I have been | 0:00:20 | 0:00:24 | |
watching the carnival of Scottish life more closely than ever before. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:29 | |
And meeting people with surprising perspectives | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
on what it means to be Scottish. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
We regard it as an old Scottish tradition that we are reviving. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
This is a story about the beating-heart | 0:00:41 | 0:00:43 | |
of cultural difference... | 0:00:43 | 0:00:45 | |
HE CHEERS | 0:00:45 | 0:00:47 | |
..and who we really are. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:49 | |
I think this is the world's best place to go surfing. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
HE LAUGHS That's a lie. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:54 | |
It's a place where identity is neither simple nor fixed - | 0:00:56 | 0:01:01 | |
many people feel only Scottish, some feel British | 0:01:01 | 0:01:05 | |
and a substantial number look elsewhere for their identity. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:09 | |
I am very, very proud to be Scots but very intensely proud to be British. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:13 | |
And I don't see the distinction. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:14 | |
These weighty books contain | 0:01:16 | 0:01:18 | |
the hidden history of millions of Scots - | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
ordinary people whose lives defy simple classification. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:26 | |
I'm in New Register House, surrounded by the birth, | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
death and marriage certificates of Scotland. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
This is the raw data of the nation. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:34 | |
But what does it mean to be Scottish? | 0:01:34 | 0:01:36 | |
All of us will answer that question differently - | 0:01:38 | 0:01:42 | |
some in cliches and some in compelling human stories. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:46 | |
Trust me, there are five million ways to be Scottish. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:50 | |
'You're tuned in to Off The Ball - the most petty and ill-informed | 0:02:01 | 0:02:04 | |
'sports programme on radio. Welcome to the show. I'm Stuart Cosgrove. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:09 | |
'He's Tam Cowan. And joining us soon will be our guests - | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
'Mark Wotte and Dundee Barry. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
'I'm Stuart Cosgrove. I present a radio show. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
'I am variously a soul music fan, a St Johnstone supporter, I'm married | 0:02:18 | 0:02:23 | |
'into a Tamil Hindu family and I've struggled with eczema all my life. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:28 | |
'To this day, cruel friends call me Lionel Itchy. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:33 | |
'Oh, and I am Scottish, whatever that means?' | 0:02:33 | 0:02:35 | |
I feel very secure about my identity in all its mongrel glory. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:40 | |
The referendum is exciting - | 0:02:40 | 0:02:42 | |
it offers us an opportunity to reflect on how Scotland's governed. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:46 | |
But worry not, this is neither a political film, | 0:02:46 | 0:02:49 | |
nor a campaign video. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:50 | |
In fact, it's a journey to meet many people across Scotland | 0:02:50 | 0:02:54 | |
with both settled and shifting attitudes to their identity | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
and how it might impact on the referendum. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
BOYS: Freedom! | 0:03:00 | 0:03:02 | |
90-minute-patriots - that is a commonly held view of Scots, | 0:03:07 | 0:03:12 | |
aligning us uncomfortably with simple emotions | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
and a game of football. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:17 | |
# We'll be coming | 0:03:17 | 0:03:19 | |
# We'll be coming | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
# We'll be coming down the road... # | 0:03:22 | 0:03:24 | |
I think of the Tartan Army, I think of haggis. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:29 | |
# ..We'll be coming | 0:03:29 | 0:03:30 | |
# We'll be coming down the road.... # | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
The Scottish international team, the Edinburgh Tattoo. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
# ..We'll be coming | 0:03:35 | 0:03:37 | |
# We'll be coming... # | 0:03:37 | 0:03:39 | |
CHEERING | 0:03:39 | 0:03:41 | |
So, a pudding and a song about coming down a road. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:49 | |
Surely identity is more complex than that? | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
Edinburgh. The capital. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:56 | |
The Athens of the North. | 0:03:56 | 0:03:59 | |
Home of miraculous myths and of a man who has lived with | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
the raw data of identity for the last 20 years. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:06 | |
David McCrone runs a centre which focuses on the study | 0:04:06 | 0:04:10 | |
of national identity. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:12 | |
He has spent a lifetime gathering evidence about how we see ourselves. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:16 | |
David, this thing called identity, is it important? | 0:04:16 | 0:04:21 | |
Well it is, | 0:04:21 | 0:04:22 | |
but it's quite difficult to pin it down. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:25 | |
The writer Willie McIlvanney once said that, | 0:04:25 | 0:04:27 | |
"National identity is a bit like having an insurance policy. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:31 | |
"You know you've got one, but you don't know where it is, | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
"and you certainly don't know what the small print means." | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
So it's everywhere, it's ubiquitous. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
But, in a way, until it's problematic, | 0:04:39 | 0:04:42 | |
where there's a situation where people have to choose, | 0:04:42 | 0:04:44 | |
people just take it for granted. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:46 | |
In everyday life, we do take it for granted. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:49 | |
But decades of evidence shows that Scots - more than anyone | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
else in Britain - feel their national identity. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:57 | |
It is in the language of marketing speak - it's a core value. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:00 | |
Over the years, we discovered that Scottish identity - | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
being Scottish - among everyone, is a very important identity. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:10 | |
On a par, thank God, with being a parent, | 0:05:10 | 0:05:12 | |
and indeed being a partner or a spouse. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
And certainly more important that peoples' gender, | 0:05:15 | 0:05:17 | |
or their class identity and so on. So it is ubiquitous in Scotland. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:21 | |
People in Scotland think of themselves | 0:05:21 | 0:05:23 | |
overwhelmingly as Scottish. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:25 | |
Some people would say that identity is kind of fixed, it's given, | 0:05:25 | 0:05:29 | |
you know - I am Scottish, therefore I am. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:33 | |
Is identity fixed? | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
No, because identity, above all, has to do with claims. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:39 | |
That is, people claim to be something. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
That is - I am this, I am that. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:44 | |
Or they say - you are not, | 0:05:44 | 0:05:46 | |
or you are one of us, or not one of us. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:48 | |
And so on, and so on. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
There's a whole complex of negotiation of identities | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
which people go through. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:55 | |
CROWD CHANTING | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
McDiarmid Park, Perth. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:07 | |
Once arable farmland and now home of St Johnstone FC. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:11 | |
I'm here to meet someone who is a living embodiment of how | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
complex those negotiations can be. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
Bruce Fummey is a fellow Saints fan. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
His dad was Ghanaian student, his mum is Scottish. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
Ironically, his African father studied at an aerodrome | 0:06:23 | 0:06:27 | |
in Scone a few hundred yards from the spiritual | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
home of the Stone of Destiny - it's where Africa meets ancient Scotland. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:35 | |
Bruce we're talking really about identity, about what makes you | 0:06:37 | 0:06:41 | |
feel who you are. How would you describe yourself? | 0:06:41 | 0:06:45 | |
A fat bloke, I would say | 0:06:46 | 0:06:48 | |
is probably the predominant sense that | 0:06:48 | 0:06:51 | |
I get as I walk about the streets. But no, | 0:06:51 | 0:06:53 | |
you're talking about in terms of your national background, | 0:06:53 | 0:06:57 | |
your national identity and stuff. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
A Scottish African - would that fit into your genre? | 0:07:00 | 0:07:05 | |
Yeah, of course it would. And as a Scottish African, | 0:07:05 | 0:07:09 | |
how important therefore is being Scottish to you? | 0:07:09 | 0:07:13 | |
SHARP INTAKE OF BREATH | 0:07:15 | 0:07:16 | |
It depends if I'm at the rugby or no'. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:20 | |
It's part of your everyday existence. How important is your arm to you? | 0:07:20 | 0:07:24 | |
Sometimes it's more important than others, sometimes it really | 0:07:24 | 0:07:28 | |
disnae matter because you're no' using it. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
But it's part of me, it's part of who I am. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:35 | |
Let me introduce myself. My name is Bruce Fummey. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
I'm a 5'8" male of mixed racial origin. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:42 | |
Medium build. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:43 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:07:43 | 0:07:45 | |
Piss off! | 0:07:45 | 0:07:46 | |
Bruce defies the norm. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:48 | |
He is a regular on the stand-up comedy circuit | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
and an aficionado of the national poet Rabbie Burns. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:54 | |
He can recite poems that most of us only half-know a line from. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:58 | |
I think growing up you kind of almost had to be more | 0:07:58 | 0:08:02 | |
Scottish than the other Scottish kids, you know what I mean? | 0:08:02 | 0:08:06 | |
Now here's one really difficult thing. I hear on the grapevine | 0:08:06 | 0:08:10 | |
that you're also learning, studying and evolving your Gaelic language. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:15 | |
Now, for most Scots that's something that's quite challenging, | 0:08:15 | 0:08:19 | |
even for people that have grown up in the Gaeltacht or whatever. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:23 | |
It's a big challenge. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:26 | |
It's no' easy. French or German or Spanish would be easier. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:33 | |
I've become quite obsessed with it, do you know what I mean? | 0:08:33 | 0:08:38 | |
What led to it? What attracted you to an indigenous language? | 0:08:38 | 0:08:42 | |
It was accidental. We were going to the islands, | 0:08:42 | 0:08:47 | |
and I went into the Bridge of Allan library. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:49 | |
I said, "Look, I'm going to the islands, have you any advice?" | 0:08:49 | 0:08:53 | |
And she pointed me towards this room. And I thought I'd go in | 0:08:53 | 0:08:57 | |
and find books about the Hebrides, but actually I found a Gaelic class. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:01 | |
Now in a situation like that, a confident person says, | 0:09:01 | 0:09:04 | |
"Sorry, I've made a mistake," turns and walks out. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:07 | |
An insecure person becomes part of Stirling Council's | 0:09:07 | 0:09:09 | |
adult education scheme. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:11 | |
Now the old cynic would say that you're just doing it to get on the | 0:09:11 | 0:09:14 | |
telly because BBC Alba is always looking for | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
Scots-Ghanaian comedians. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:19 | |
-Al-pah. -Al-pah? OK. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:21 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:09:21 | 0:09:23 | |
Folk do say that. They say, "Why are you learning Gaelic? | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
"Are you learning Gaelic so that when you go up to Inverness | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
"to do your comedy people understand you?" | 0:09:29 | 0:09:31 | |
And I say, "No, that's why I'm learning Polish." | 0:09:31 | 0:09:33 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:09:33 | 0:09:35 | |
"Are you learning Gaelic to get on the telly?" | 0:09:35 | 0:09:37 | |
There's easier ways of getting on the telly. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:38 | |
As you know, there's easier ways of getting on the telly. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:41 | |
If you've got an embarrassing body, you get on the telly. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:44 | |
If you're from a family of big fat folk, you get on the telly. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:46 | |
If your kids won't behave, if you've got a manky house, | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
you get on the telly. I've got no need to learn Gaelic, | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
I've got 101 ways to get on the telly. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
So, a fat bloke with a manky hoose. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
Bruce's self-mocking way of asserting his identity | 0:10:00 | 0:10:03 | |
is a breath of fresh air. It's clearly very important to him. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:07 | |
And, by the way, he's inclined to vote yes in September. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
Identity matters, and for some people it runs more than skin deep. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:24 | |
On the walls of this tattoo parlour in Hamilton | 0:10:24 | 0:10:26 | |
are the diverse slogans, emblems and symbols of identity. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
Lanarkshire has its own sub-cultures of belonging, | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
which often find their expression in politics and religion. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:37 | |
On the Catholic side of things, you've got Jesus, | 0:10:37 | 0:10:41 | |
the Virgin Mary, crosses, | 0:10:41 | 0:10:43 | |
crosses with Jesus - all that sort of thing. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:47 | |
And you've got more radical things like IRA tattoos | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
and that sort of thing. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:50 | |
On the Protestant side of things, you've got Union Jacks, | 0:10:50 | 0:10:55 | |
British tattoos like bulldogs, lions, that sort of thing. | 0:10:55 | 0:11:00 | |
And then more radical, you've got UVF and UDA. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:02 | |
Although I am more interested in how Scotland will be governed | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
after the referendum, tattoo parlours tell us that the | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
event itself is igniting passions and tribal loyalties. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:14 | |
Getting a tattoo just to symbolise | 0:11:16 | 0:11:18 | |
my feeling on my Britishness. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
Obviously, just to reaffirm | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
my position on the referendum. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:25 | |
Most of my tattoos are all something very close to me. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
The majority of them are obviously | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
cultural aspects of my life. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
And it always has been - any tattoo | 0:11:34 | 0:11:37 | |
I've got always has been more | 0:11:37 | 0:11:39 | |
cultural and personal | 0:11:39 | 0:11:40 | |
than anything else. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
So this is the body-politics of the yes/no debate | 0:11:44 | 0:11:48 | |
and in the time-honoured BBC tradition, | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
here's Toni to provide balance. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:53 | |
I'm getting a Saltire with "freedom" wi' thistles. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:58 | |
And what does that tattoo say to you? | 0:12:00 | 0:12:02 | |
-Tell me some of the things that... -I'm Scottish. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:04 | |
Now tell me, you've got one very special tattoo, tell me about that. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:10 | |
100% Scottish Beef. It's on my bum. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:15 | |
I would show you but I don't think you want to see it. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:20 | |
A desire to adorn ourselves with image and identity is what keeps | 0:12:23 | 0:12:27 | |
this business alive. And the final results are never easy to erase. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:32 | |
I like the fact that obviously it emphasises on the flag itself, | 0:12:35 | 0:12:41 | |
which is what I was originally going for, obviously. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
I'm definitely happy with that. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:48 | |
It's probably the biggest one I've got, I'd say. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:50 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:12:50 | 0:12:51 | |
I feel more Scottish now I've got the Scottish flag | 0:12:54 | 0:12:58 | |
-tattooed on my skin. It's inked on me. -For ever. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:02 | |
Until I die. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:03 | |
Tattoos divide opinion just as much as politics | 0:13:04 | 0:13:08 | |
but they also act as a form of cartoon-identity - | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
values inked into absolutes. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
The forthcoming referendum engages viewpoints that are certain | 0:13:13 | 0:13:17 | |
and absolute, but many more that are unsure, | 0:13:17 | 0:13:21 | |
and whose views are open to change. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:23 | |
To help me grasp this capacity to change, | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
I met Scotland's biggest psephological brain | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
to try and work out what identity means | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
in cold, hard, political reality. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
If it wasn't the case | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
that Scotland was indeed a distinct nation | 0:13:37 | 0:13:39 | |
within the United Kingdom, and that therefore as a result some | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
people could say to themselves, | 0:13:42 | 0:13:43 | |
well, look, I am Scottish, why can't my country be an independent state | 0:13:43 | 0:13:47 | |
like any other nation? | 0:13:47 | 0:13:49 | |
I don't think we'd be having this referendum in the first place. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
And, certainly, it's clearly true that the more Scottish that | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
people feel and the less British that they feel, the more likely | 0:13:55 | 0:13:59 | |
they say they're going to vote yes in this referendum. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
At the backdrop of all of this, | 0:14:02 | 0:14:03 | |
identity is providing a crucial structure that is shaping the | 0:14:03 | 0:14:07 | |
opportunities that are open to the yes and no sides in the first place. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
In other elections, John, there's been a tendency for analysts | 0:14:10 | 0:14:15 | |
to look to particular sub-groups of the society. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:19 | |
In the USA elections it was the soccer mom. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:23 | |
We've had in British elections, you know, Basildon man or | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
white-van-man, whatever. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:28 | |
Is it possible to identify within the Scottish electorate, | 0:14:28 | 0:14:32 | |
sub-groups of people who may be disproportionately important? | 0:14:32 | 0:14:36 | |
Well, I'm not sure if we can identify groups that are | 0:14:36 | 0:14:38 | |
disproportionately important, though I think we can identify stereotypes. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:42 | |
I mean, I think, on the yes side at least, almost undoubtedly | 0:14:42 | 0:14:46 | |
the stereotype is going to be of what we might call caber man. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
Now, in other words, somebody who is relatively young, who is male | 0:14:49 | 0:14:54 | |
and who has a very strong sense of Scottish identity, | 0:14:54 | 0:14:58 | |
as for example, | 0:14:58 | 0:14:59 | |
through participation in tossing the caber in a Highland Games. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:03 | |
That sounds about 25 people. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:05 | |
Well, I mean, therein maybe in fact reveals the fact | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
that, of course, at the end of the day we are looking at a society, | 0:15:08 | 0:15:12 | |
many of whom are people with a sense of dual identity, | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
which is why, arguably, | 0:15:15 | 0:15:17 | |
this referendum is not looking that easy for the yes side to win. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:20 | |
Because even somebody with a strong sense of Scottish identity, many of | 0:15:20 | 0:15:24 | |
those people will also acknowledge a strong sense of Britishness. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:27 | |
Oh, come on, John! I have lived in Scotland most of my life | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
but I have never met or even seen a caber man. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:37 | |
It sounds like a term thrown into the debate by psephologists | 0:15:37 | 0:15:40 | |
to sell their wares or to baffle us into submission. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:44 | |
But John has a point - feeling Scottish doesn't stop you | 0:15:44 | 0:15:48 | |
feeling other things as well. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:50 | |
I am certain that over the last 20 years | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
we have witnessed a rise of self-awareness and self-confidence | 0:15:55 | 0:15:59 | |
that may be a strong underlying theme in the year of the referendum. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:04 | |
To illustrate this, I want to take you on a detour to the | 0:16:04 | 0:16:08 | |
Malt Whisky Society to meet food-writer Sue Lawrence. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:12 | |
Excuse the mild pretentiousness but this conversation | 0:16:12 | 0:16:16 | |
is about your granny and the semiotics of clootie dumpling. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:20 | |
The clootie dumpling is something | 0:16:20 | 0:16:21 | |
that is very much from my family | 0:16:21 | 0:16:23 | |
and you are quite near, you're Perth, I'm Dundee. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
It was very much that sort of area. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:27 | |
Well I remember my granny cooking clootie dumpling, | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
in fact she'd use the word cloot daily. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
She'd say, "I'll dicht your kisser with this cloot," or whatever. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
And she'd wipe my face and use the cloth and then the cloth, | 0:16:36 | 0:16:40 | |
not the same cloth, a cloth, was then used to cook the dumpling. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
When you start to look at it, maybe this is just my own family | 0:16:43 | 0:16:48 | |
experience, but I kind of felt that traditional Scottish food | 0:16:48 | 0:16:53 | |
began to die away maybe some time in the '60s or whatever. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
Or maybe became something that we were slightly embarrassed about. | 0:16:56 | 0:17:01 | |
We were definitely ashamed of it all and I think, you know, post-war | 0:17:01 | 0:17:05 | |
people were out of rationing, say our parents. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:07 | |
And they were thinking, "Why do we want mince and tatties? | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
"We can make spaghetti carbonara, spaghetti Bolognese, lasagne." | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
People were also travelling more. But we were definitely, I think, unsure | 0:17:13 | 0:17:17 | |
of who we were and we wanted to maybe be something a little bit different. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:21 | |
And there's some sense of looking back at our own history, | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
with that feeling of maybe kind of cringe or disdain or something | 0:17:24 | 0:17:29 | |
where you're uncomfortable with even saying things like clootie dumpling. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:33 | |
Exactly. Or Hogmanay, First Footing. First Footing, everyone did it. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
Then suddenly it wasn't quite the thing, | 0:17:36 | 0:17:38 | |
and people would have dinner parties instead. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:40 | |
Traditional foods like Stornoway black pudding, Arbroath smokies, | 0:17:42 | 0:17:47 | |
porridge oats were largely confined to the past, but have suddenly | 0:17:47 | 0:17:51 | |
resurfaced in a new self-confident Scotland, where the organic, | 0:17:51 | 0:17:55 | |
fresh-food movement has found value in authenticity and localness. | 0:17:55 | 0:18:00 | |
Almost all of these foodstuffs, in one way or another, | 0:18:02 | 0:18:05 | |
could find themselves on the menu of the poshest restaurants in Scotland | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
and Michelin-star and whatever. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:10 | |
You'd comfortably go in and see a starter that would be | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
-Stornoway black pudding with... -Scallops. -Scallops or whatever. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:18 | |
Haggis with a pomegranate jus | 0:18:18 | 0:18:20 | |
-or something like that, I don't know. -Interesting. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:22 | |
But all of these things could quite easily feature | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
in a Scottish restaurant and that. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
So is it that they have simply become part of the world of food | 0:18:28 | 0:18:33 | |
or is there a move, do you think, to reclaim the past? | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
I think a bit of both. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:37 | |
You said that these would be in any Scottish restaurant. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:40 | |
But the good black puddings are in a lot of London restaurants now, | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
you know, with their branding. Because everyone's proud of that. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
So I think it's the pride and I think it's also, yes, | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
it's part of the worldwide cuisine now. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
Our relationship with food is both everyday and profound - | 0:18:54 | 0:18:58 | |
it can help define a culture | 0:18:58 | 0:19:00 | |
and tells us a simple but hugely important lesson. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:04 | |
Scotland is abandoning the cultural cringe. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
We are no longer embarrassed about who we are, | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
or in awe of the apparent sophistication of others. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:13 | |
To measure how powerfully Scotland's re-emergent identity has grown, | 0:19:16 | 0:19:21 | |
look a few miles south. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:23 | |
Is there the same confidence about national identity in Gateshead? | 0:19:23 | 0:19:27 | |
# All you fascists | 0:19:30 | 0:19:32 | |
# You may be surprised | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
# The people in this world are getting organised | 0:19:35 | 0:19:39 | |
# You're bound to lose | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
# All you fascists are bound to lose... # | 0:19:42 | 0:19:46 | |
Singer, songwriter and socialist Billy Bragg | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
is preparing for a concert here | 0:19:49 | 0:19:51 | |
and is worried that Scotland is leaving the English behind. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:56 | |
We English tend to have a collective blind spot over our | 0:19:56 | 0:20:01 | |
national identity and that blind spot is obscured by the Union Jack. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:05 | |
The fact that we still sing God Save the Queen, | 0:20:05 | 0:20:08 | |
the British national anthem, at sporting events, | 0:20:08 | 0:20:11 | |
rather than an equivalent of Flower of Scotland - | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
that to me was the moment that I realised that something was | 0:20:14 | 0:20:16 | |
changing in Scotland, when the Scots decided to no longer sing | 0:20:16 | 0:20:19 | |
God Save the Queen but sing their own song. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:22 | |
If the English ever get round to choosing a song that at least | 0:20:22 | 0:20:28 | |
mentions the name of our bloody country - | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
which I think is the very least you would expect from a national anthem - | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
that would be the first sign that we are starting to take the | 0:20:34 | 0:20:38 | |
first steps on the long journey that Scotland is close to completing. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:42 | |
GUITAR PLAYS | 0:20:44 | 0:20:46 | |
# Take down the Union Jack | 0:20:56 | 0:21:00 | |
# It clashes with the sunset | 0:21:00 | 0:21:03 | |
# And put it in the attic with the emperor's old clothes | 0:21:03 | 0:21:10 | |
# When did it fall apart? | 0:21:10 | 0:21:14 | |
# Sometime in the '80s | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
# When the great and the good gave way | 0:21:17 | 0:21:21 | |
# To the greedy and the mean... # | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
Billy has touched a raw nerve, guaranteed to infuriate even the | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
most placid Scot - is there a difference between the words | 0:21:28 | 0:21:32 | |
English and British? | 0:21:32 | 0:21:33 | |
# Take down the Union Jack | 0:21:33 | 0:21:36 | |
# It clashes with the sunset | 0:21:37 | 0:21:41 | |
# And ask our Scottish neighbours | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
# If independence looks any good | 0:21:44 | 0:21:48 | |
# Cos they just might understand | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
# How to take an abstract notion of personal identity | 0:21:51 | 0:21:57 | |
# And turn it into nationhood... # | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
Whilst Billy Bragg is ready to call himself English, | 0:22:04 | 0:22:08 | |
do his audience have a clear idea of what that actually means? | 0:22:08 | 0:22:12 | |
I suppose I think of tea, cups of tea? | 0:22:15 | 0:22:18 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
They drink tea in Scotland. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:22 | |
They do, that's why I said British, not just English. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:24 | |
I can't think of anything specific about being English, | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
apart from the George Cross is the flag of England. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:32 | |
Um... | 0:22:32 | 0:22:34 | |
What a hard question. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:36 | |
I suppose it's just part of | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
several sort of geographical identities you have. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:42 | |
I sort of see them as Russian dolls. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:46 | |
I'm a Northerner, that fits inside being from England, | 0:22:47 | 0:22:51 | |
which fits inside being British, which fits inside being European, | 0:22:51 | 0:22:55 | |
which fits inside being a citizen of the world, really. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:59 | |
Do you think that for English people it's a bit harder | 0:22:59 | 0:23:01 | |
to distinguish between being English and British | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
than it is for other people of the UK? | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
Yes, definitely, yeah. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:08 | |
I don't think it means that we have any less of an identity, | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
I just think that there are less things out there that | 0:23:11 | 0:23:13 | |
symbolise that we are stereotypically English. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
So stereotypically Scottish, you think tartan. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:20 | |
Stereotypically Irish, you think green. That kind of thing. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
Whereas with English, I don't think we have anything that | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
defines us into that category, into that group. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
The strongest possibility of there being a new English settlement | 0:23:30 | 0:23:34 | |
comes if there is an independent Scotland. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:37 | |
Because then we will be forced to think again about who we are. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:41 | |
In some ways, you'll take that Union Jack awning off the front of what | 0:23:41 | 0:23:48 | |
it means to be English and force us to think a bit more about it. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:52 | |
But we're never going to get our heads out of the attic of Britishness | 0:23:52 | 0:23:57 | |
unless something changes. | 0:23:57 | 0:23:59 | |
So that possibility presents itself next year. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:01 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:24:01 | 0:24:03 | |
If, unlike the English, Scots seem to be negotiating a modern, | 0:24:06 | 0:24:10 | |
post-imperial identity, it would be naive to think that | 0:24:10 | 0:24:14 | |
history and the glorious past no longer matter. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
Sad as it may seem, I recently reread an old | 0:24:17 | 0:24:21 | |
copy of the Journal Of Scottish Affairs from 1994. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:26 | |
And I came across a perspective on the past that may provide | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
a key to unlocking the mysteries of today. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:33 | |
It's a methodology which breaks our sense of identity down into a | 0:24:33 | 0:24:37 | |
series of concentric rings - | 0:24:37 | 0:24:39 | |
family, nationality, tribe and so on. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:44 | |
The original author of the concentric circles of identity | 0:24:45 | 0:24:49 | |
lives here in Fife. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:51 | |
TC Smout is retired but he was the Historiographer Royal | 0:24:51 | 0:24:55 | |
and remains an avid ornithologist. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
Like me, he thinks identity is complex and layered. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:02 | |
These are like | 0:25:02 | 0:25:03 | |
circles that are... | 0:25:03 | 0:25:06 | |
that spread out from the family, to the tribe. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:10 | |
And the kin is very important in Scotland, | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
which is kind of between the family and the tribe. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
And the region, and then the nation, the nationality of being Scottish, | 0:25:17 | 0:25:25 | |
and then something possibly even bigger, like being European. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:31 | |
I mean, it's... You wake up in morning and you say, "Who am I?" | 0:25:31 | 0:25:35 | |
The answer to that is, quite a lot of things. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
According to Professor Smout's theories, these concentric | 0:25:39 | 0:25:43 | |
circles have a distinct Scottish aspect. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
Being Scottish, historically, is not a fixed tribal or ethnic | 0:25:46 | 0:25:51 | |
identity, nor is it based on a language or a creed. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
It's more than just living here, it's putting down roots. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:59 | |
It's the feeling of belonging which makes you Scottish. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:03 | |
But it's not who your mother and father were. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:06 | |
It's about belonging. What a great word. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:12 | |
Historically, Scottishness has always been inclusive - Gaels, | 0:26:12 | 0:26:16 | |
Lowlanders, even die-hard Fifers all called themselves Scots | 0:26:16 | 0:26:21 | |
quite happily. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:22 | |
Recently, using the records kept here at New Register House | 0:26:26 | 0:26:30 | |
in Edinburgh, | 0:26:30 | 0:26:31 | |
I traced my own family back - as many Scots can - to Ireland. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:36 | |
The huge wave of post-famine immigration in the 19th century | 0:26:36 | 0:26:40 | |
brought my ancestors from Galway to the jute mills of Perth. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:45 | |
They quickly assimilated as Scots. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:47 | |
But the latest census shows that this process of inward | 0:26:47 | 0:26:50 | |
migration continues today. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 | |
In the last decade, the ethnic minority population of Scotland | 0:26:53 | 0:26:57 | |
has doubled to 4%. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:00 | |
Tim, I'm just taken aback by the volumes of information | 0:27:00 | 0:27:05 | |
and history and research that's available here. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
Just in a very simple sense, | 0:27:08 | 0:27:09 | |
what do all these volumes tell us about Scotland? | 0:27:09 | 0:27:13 | |
What it tells us is that, over the last few decades, | 0:27:13 | 0:27:17 | |
we have become a much bigger population. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
We've grown by about half-a-million over the last 100 years. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:24 | |
We've become an older population. And over the more recent past, | 0:27:24 | 0:27:27 | |
we have become a more diverse population. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
One key to unlocking the kind of mysteries of identity is language. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:35 | |
What does the census tells us, if anything, about | 0:27:35 | 0:27:38 | |
the changing nature of the languages that Scots speak? | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
One of the things it tells us is that there's a lot more of them than there used to be. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:44 | |
There's over 170 languages recorded in the last census, | 0:27:44 | 0:27:47 | |
that are spoken by ten or more people. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:50 | |
That's a large range of diversity. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:53 | |
Some of them will be languages that will have been here | 0:27:53 | 0:27:55 | |
for many, many years. Decades even. And others will be much more recent. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:59 | |
Some of them will be only spoken by ten people or so, | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
and others will be spoken by hundreds of thousands. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:05 | |
So final question, Tim. When you look at the census now, | 0:28:05 | 0:28:09 | |
is there anything that personally fascinated you as an individual | 0:28:09 | 0:28:14 | |
rather than necessarily as someone that's the bearer of the keys | 0:28:14 | 0:28:18 | |
of this wonderful place? | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
I suppose, for me, I think the increase in diversity is | 0:28:20 | 0:28:24 | |
a fascinating thing and it does get to this question of | 0:28:24 | 0:28:28 | |
who we are and where we come from. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:30 | |
My roots are English but I've been in Scotland now for many years and | 0:28:30 | 0:28:34 | |
I think that being able to understand that people move around | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
and that they find different ways to express their identity | 0:28:37 | 0:28:41 | |
and to live out their lives. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:43 | |
Most people don't do the census with a view to history. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:48 | |
They do it because they have to do it | 0:28:48 | 0:28:50 | |
and because they see some merit in the data that comes from it. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
But when you fill it in, what comes out of it is | 0:28:53 | 0:28:56 | |
that broad sweep of the nation as a whole | 0:28:56 | 0:28:59 | |
that you see coming through it. That's the fascinating thing for me. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:02 | |
It really is fascinating. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:03 | |
That sweep of history has changed what it means to be Scottish - | 0:29:05 | 0:29:09 | |
here's the proof that diversity is increasingly our future. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:14 | |
But does that mean that more people will feel | 0:29:15 | 0:29:18 | |
trapped between different identities? | 0:29:18 | 0:29:20 | |
How do I define myself? | 0:29:22 | 0:29:23 | |
OK, well, OK, I am Scottish. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:25 | |
But I was born in London, so arguably I'm English, | 0:29:25 | 0:29:29 | |
but then I'd say British. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:31 | |
But my dad was brought up in India and my mum was brought up in Kenya - | 0:29:31 | 0:29:36 | |
so, I go alphabetical. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:38 | |
So, that makes me Asian first, then British, then Scottish, | 0:29:38 | 0:29:43 | |
and somewhere in amongst that is myopic. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:45 | |
STUART LAUGHS | 0:29:45 | 0:29:46 | |
I'm incredibly short-sighted, both figuratively and literally. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:49 | |
Yeah, there are some people that kind of feel ill-at-ease with | 0:29:49 | 0:29:53 | |
the way that identity, it almost is in flux in your life, | 0:29:53 | 0:29:58 | |
and at different moments in your life, different elements of who you | 0:29:58 | 0:30:01 | |
think you are, or who you believe you are, come to the surface. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:04 | |
Have you ever found that your Scottishness | 0:30:04 | 0:30:06 | |
or your Britishness is in tension? | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
Oh, absolutely. Sometimes... You pull focus when you need to. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:13 | |
It's not like you change when you need to, | 0:30:13 | 0:30:15 | |
but just certain things come to the fore. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:16 | |
And if you are sort of a mixed bag, like I am, | 0:30:16 | 0:30:19 | |
there's just more elements that can sort of come to the fore. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
When I was younger, maybe eight or nine years old... | 0:30:22 | 0:30:25 | |
GRANGE HILL THEME | 0:30:25 | 0:30:27 | |
..I grew up in Glasgow, grew up in Bishopbriggs, north of Glasgow. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:30 | |
If I ever had cause to go into town, I'd be very surprised | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
if I wasn't called a Paki, or occasionally a Sambo, | 0:30:32 | 0:30:35 | |
which annoyed me, because I thought, | 0:30:35 | 0:30:37 | |
"If you're going to be racially insensitive, get it right." | 0:30:37 | 0:30:40 | |
But equally, if I then went to the wedding of a cousin in London, | 0:30:40 | 0:30:43 | |
I'd get called Jock, and I'd suddenly become quite proudly Scottish. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:47 | |
And they couldn't cope with the fact that I had a Scottish accent, | 0:30:47 | 0:30:50 | |
as diluted as mine is, coming out of this brown face. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:54 | |
So they found it quite hard to cope with my Scottishness. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:56 | |
So I kind of felt like I was fighting it on all corners. | 0:30:56 | 0:30:59 | |
When you're eight or nine, you feel like that's a negative thing, | 0:30:59 | 0:31:02 | |
but as you get older, you realise that you can use it in a positive way. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
To make sense today of the concentric circles of identity, | 0:31:11 | 0:31:16 | |
you would have to include another defining factor - youth culture. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:19 | |
Those that take their identity not from nationhood | 0:31:26 | 0:31:29 | |
but from their social life, their music or their sense of fashion. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:33 | |
Some are even willing to brave the fiercest weather | 0:31:36 | 0:31:39 | |
and challenges to assert their culture - Scotland's surfers. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:43 | |
It's kind of grim, but it's kind of like, | 0:31:50 | 0:31:52 | |
you don't feel it, in a sense, because you're insulated | 0:31:52 | 0:31:55 | |
in these 21st-century spacesuits that we wear, or wet suits. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:58 | |
I mean, it's not great surf conditions. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:02 | |
It's stormy, it's windy, it's overcast, it was raining earlier, | 0:32:02 | 0:32:05 | |
but it doesn't really matter. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:06 | |
You're still out there, paddling around, catching the occasional wave | 0:32:06 | 0:32:10 | |
and just being part of it all. It's hard to explain. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:14 | |
It seems nuts, but it doesn't feel like it. | 0:32:14 | 0:32:17 | |
He's right, identity is nuts. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:25 | |
Since the rise of the teenager in the 1950s, the notion of youth | 0:32:25 | 0:32:29 | |
subculture has complicated still further an already complex picture. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:35 | |
A passion for something you do or love can often define someone | 0:32:35 | 0:32:39 | |
more crucially than nationality, family or gender. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:44 | |
You know, surfing in Scotland is a good time. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:46 | |
But it's not for most Scottish people. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:49 | |
The attraction is the natural environment. | 0:32:49 | 0:32:52 | |
It's the fact that it is quite quiet. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:54 | |
In certain parts, on certain days, the waves can be as good anywhere. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:03 | |
I think this is the world's best place to go surfing. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:06 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:33:06 | 0:33:07 | |
That's a lie. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:08 | |
Surfing and the concrete magic of skate-boarding | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
means so much to Jamie, he's built a business around it. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:18 | |
And ironically, it has allowed him | 0:33:18 | 0:33:19 | |
to discover a country he already lived in and thought he knew. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:24 | |
Is Scotland undiscovered in that sense? | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
In terms of its surf culture or whatever? | 0:33:27 | 0:33:30 | |
I don't want to say too much. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:33 | |
STUART LAUGHS | 0:33:33 | 0:33:34 | |
Scotland is rugged, it's inaccessible, and it's remote. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:39 | |
That's part of the beauty of it. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:41 | |
That's what's good from a surfer's point of view. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:44 | |
That can be often what you're looking for. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:46 | |
Yeah, has surfing made you discover Scotland maybe in ways that | 0:33:46 | 0:33:50 | |
you didn't know it as a child growing up? | 0:33:50 | 0:33:52 | |
Big time. Surfing, it can take you to literally discover the world. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:56 | |
But in the Scottish perspective, | 0:33:56 | 0:33:58 | |
it has taken me to all of the remotest points. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:01 | |
I would never have gone to the Outer Hebrides. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:03 | |
I'd probably would never have gone to Thurso, to be honest with you, | 0:34:03 | 0:34:06 | |
if it wasn't for the fact that I heard there were good waves up there. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:09 | |
Same as the west coast, parts of the east coast, wherever. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:12 | |
Jamie's business depends on putting together two salient parts | 0:34:12 | 0:34:16 | |
of his identity - he is a surfer and a Scot - and the meeting | 0:34:16 | 0:34:20 | |
of those two has created something bigger than both. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:25 | |
I'm thinking here of some of the kind of gear that you sell. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:28 | |
And just looking, you know, just looking at this hoodie... | 0:34:28 | 0:34:32 | |
The shop's Clan. And it's got Glasgow on it | 0:34:33 | 0:34:36 | |
and it's got the Celtic iconography on it and things like that. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:40 | |
Is, for you, the importance of Scotland as a place | 0:34:40 | 0:34:44 | |
quite important in terms of how you do business? | 0:34:44 | 0:34:47 | |
For sure. It's pretty blatant. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:51 | |
It stemmed from a conversation with one of my best friends | 0:34:51 | 0:34:54 | |
about setting up a skateboard shop - | 0:34:54 | 0:34:57 | |
what would it mean and what does it mean? | 0:34:57 | 0:34:59 | |
It really was just a group of core skateboarders, 20, 30 years ago. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:03 | |
I wanted to represent that and also the country. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:07 | |
We had a sort of different scene. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:11 | |
And Clan seemed like it was the obvious choice. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:16 | |
More as in family, group, I wasn't saying just Scottish. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:20 | |
I was just saying anybody that skates, you're all part of the clan. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
With the referendum coming up, you know, | 0:35:23 | 0:35:25 | |
all of the political parties are always keen to see how | 0:35:25 | 0:35:28 | |
demographically people might vote. Age, gender, all the rest of it. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:31 | |
What's your instinct in Scotland? | 0:35:31 | 0:35:33 | |
Surfers, are they likely to vote yes or no? | 0:35:33 | 0:35:36 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:35:36 | 0:35:37 | |
It depends. It's a varied group. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:40 | |
I think a lot of them will be sort of into the idea. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:44 | |
A bit unsure about what impact it's going to make. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:49 | |
A very small impact that did happen was that the ferry prices dropped, | 0:35:49 | 0:35:54 | |
so to go to the Outer Hebrides or whatever | 0:35:54 | 0:35:57 | |
became cheaper for surfers. So there's a direct correlation. | 0:35:57 | 0:36:00 | |
-There's a positive one. -That's maybe how they'll look at it. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:04 | |
So identity - brought into sharp focus - can be based on what | 0:36:07 | 0:36:11 | |
we love, it can be about our passions rather than our nation. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:15 | |
And maybe it's not a rigid structure of rings or circles | 0:36:15 | 0:36:19 | |
but as Sanjeev Kohli suggested, a lens through which | 0:36:19 | 0:36:23 | |
we see the world, one that allows us to pull focus. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:26 | |
Take me, I'm a big fan of Northern Soul music. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:33 | |
It's ghetto-music from the 1960s in America and the civil rights period. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:38 | |
It came to Britain largely through working-class English DJs | 0:36:38 | 0:36:42 | |
and then was appropriated and assimilated by Scots. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:45 | |
Much like identity itself, | 0:36:45 | 0:36:47 | |
it's something that's borrowed, re-worked and reassessed. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:51 | |
And pursuing passions can often disrupt normal logic. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:58 | |
TRADITIONAL FOLK MUSIC | 0:36:58 | 0:37:00 | |
A St Andrew's night Ceilidh near Banchory - | 0:37:00 | 0:37:02 | |
what could be more Scottish? | 0:37:02 | 0:37:04 | |
MUSIC STOPS | 0:37:06 | 0:37:08 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:37:08 | 0:37:10 | |
But yet again, things are not quite what they seem. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:16 | |
BAND PLAYS | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
Oh, we saw a team come up from England and dance in Aberdeen. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:33 | |
And we thought, "Gosh that looks like great fun!" | 0:37:33 | 0:37:36 | |
So we thought we would give it a try. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:38 | |
Once you get hooked on morris dancing | 0:37:38 | 0:37:41 | |
you tend to be a morris man for ever, more or less. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:43 | |
You sort of die in post, you know? | 0:37:43 | 0:37:45 | |
It's a bit addictive, though quite why | 0:37:45 | 0:37:48 | |
I don't think any of us really know. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:49 | |
It's quite an interesting phenomenon. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:52 | |
AUDIENCE APPLAUD | 0:37:54 | 0:37:55 | |
When we first started, there were people who | 0:37:58 | 0:38:00 | |
sort of, you know, that...expletive undeleted, | 0:38:00 | 0:38:03 | |
"It's this lot." You know? | 0:38:03 | 0:38:06 | |
But, I mean, nowadays, half the time | 0:38:06 | 0:38:08 | |
if you were going down the road with your bells and whatnot on, | 0:38:08 | 0:38:11 | |
they'd be asking you, "Where are you dancing?" if you see what I mean? | 0:38:11 | 0:38:15 | |
So from that point of view, it's become a bit more familiar. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:17 | |
TRADITIONAL FOLK MUSIC | 0:38:17 | 0:38:20 | |
Most people think of morris dancing as quintessentially English - but | 0:38:20 | 0:38:25 | |
in the confused story of identity, it actually has deep Scottish roots. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:30 | |
Morris dancing is first recorded in the UK, | 0:38:30 | 0:38:33 | |
in Scotland in 1472, I think, or thereabouts. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:37 | |
Maybe plus or minus a year or two. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:39 | |
It started off as courtly entertainment | 0:38:39 | 0:38:42 | |
in the court of the king, gradually went down the social ladder | 0:38:42 | 0:38:46 | |
until it became a country village sort of thing. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:51 | |
And so we regard it as an old Scottish tradition | 0:38:51 | 0:38:55 | |
that we are reviving. It's not usually perceived that way | 0:38:55 | 0:38:58 | |
because most people think that it's English, but it's not at all. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:01 | |
BAGPIPES PLAY | 0:39:01 | 0:39:04 | |
So, Scottish morris dancing revived. | 0:39:20 | 0:39:24 | |
It's a local hybrid that resists any attempts to classify or confine | 0:39:24 | 0:39:29 | |
cultural identity. It is simply what these men | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
have made for themselves. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:34 | |
THEY SHOUT | 0:39:34 | 0:39:37 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:39:41 | 0:39:43 | |
We have quite a strong identity. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:48 | |
We've been dancing with each other for nearly 40 years. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:50 | |
-Almost for ever. -Almost for ever. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:52 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:39:52 | 0:39:53 | |
Yes. And we have quite a strong identity as well. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:56 | |
We have our own dances, with our own characteristic steps and movements. | 0:39:56 | 0:39:59 | |
And we feel a very strong local tradition. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:02 | |
And even if we do use other people's dances, | 0:40:02 | 0:40:04 | |
we're still adapting them for our... to what we feel is comfortable. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:08 | |
So there's definitely a localness about it. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:10 | |
We've built a local tradition here over 40 years. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:14 | |
I don't know whether that's any help. | 0:40:15 | 0:40:17 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:40:17 | 0:40:18 | |
The referendum is already emotionally charged | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
and no community will go unnoticed in the search for votes. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:30 | |
I am keeping my eye on Scotland's fragmented identities | 0:40:30 | 0:40:34 | |
to see if they have any influence at all on the referendum. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:38 | |
My favourite so far is Scottish Drag Queens for Independence. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:43 | |
"Be true to yourself in life, politics and love." | 0:40:43 | 0:40:47 | |
They may not hold the balance of power | 0:40:47 | 0:40:49 | |
but the beehives are brilliant. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:51 | |
Sometimes identity can curdle into tribalism. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:59 | |
My old friend, the film director Annie Griffin, is an American | 0:40:59 | 0:41:04 | |
who moved to London and on to Glasgow and now Edinburgh. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:08 | |
She thinks that I have a very Scottish habit - dwelling | 0:41:08 | 0:41:11 | |
on differences and grievances, and worse still, not listening enough. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:16 | |
The picking away at differences | 0:41:16 | 0:41:18 | |
doesn't seem so important to me, | 0:41:18 | 0:41:22 | |
and certainly when one thinks about the referendum in 2014, | 0:41:22 | 0:41:27 | |
whether I'm a Scot or whether I'm an American living in Scotland, | 0:41:27 | 0:41:30 | |
it's about who is in charge and what access we have to power. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:35 | |
Not, do I feel more Scottish than Sean Connery or Ewan McGregor | 0:41:35 | 0:41:39 | |
or people who live outside of Scotland | 0:41:39 | 0:41:42 | |
and yet are identifiably Scottish by their voices? | 0:41:42 | 0:41:45 | |
The honest answer is, I don't think a lot about what am I, who am I? | 0:41:45 | 0:41:50 | |
Do you feel more shaped by the politics of gender | 0:41:50 | 0:41:54 | |
than the politics of nationhood? | 0:41:54 | 0:41:56 | |
Do you think - throw a question back at you - | 0:41:56 | 0:41:59 | |
do you think that identity politics is on the way out? | 0:41:59 | 0:42:02 | |
The focus of who am I and what's my tribe? | 0:42:02 | 0:42:06 | |
Who am I and how do I identify myself | 0:42:06 | 0:42:08 | |
is less an important question than how do we work together. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:13 | |
I thought about it at the time of Obama's election. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:17 | |
I thought I had internalised a sense that it must be | 0:42:17 | 0:42:21 | |
very, very difficult to grow up with a parent from one country | 0:42:21 | 0:42:27 | |
and one race, and a parent from another one. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:30 | |
And thinking about Obama, it made me think that's probably | 0:42:30 | 0:42:34 | |
a much more stimulating way to grow up. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:36 | |
And the more you think about it, especially with | 0:42:36 | 0:42:39 | |
the movement of Europeans into the UK in the last ten years, | 0:42:39 | 0:42:44 | |
the sense that there are so many people who are living in different | 0:42:44 | 0:42:47 | |
countries than their families, that there is more of a sense of, | 0:42:47 | 0:42:51 | |
yeah, we're all mixed up - but what are we going to do about it? | 0:42:51 | 0:42:54 | |
Clearly the referendum polarises at one level because it asks | 0:42:54 | 0:42:59 | |
a very simple question - yes or no - and clearly there are people with | 0:42:59 | 0:43:03 | |
fixed views on that and people whose views are much more fluid. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:07 | |
Are you sensing that it's pulling people apart in the same way or not? | 0:43:07 | 0:43:12 | |
In Scotland? I think what it has brought out is the Scots' tendency | 0:43:12 | 0:43:17 | |
to not be good at having conversations and to attack. | 0:43:17 | 0:43:20 | |
I keep hearing from people who've put themselves above the parapet | 0:43:20 | 0:43:23 | |
and started to have discussions about this on Twitter, | 0:43:23 | 0:43:27 | |
in the media, and there is such a lot of aggressive, | 0:43:27 | 0:43:30 | |
anonymous trolling and attacking of people. | 0:43:30 | 0:43:33 | |
And people have had death threats just for raising it on | 0:43:33 | 0:43:38 | |
comedy programmes in the UK, raising the issue. | 0:43:38 | 0:43:40 | |
That seems to be the worst thing about the referendum at the moment, | 0:43:40 | 0:43:43 | |
people's fear of speaking out, | 0:43:43 | 0:43:45 | |
that there have been such a lot of aggression around it. | 0:43:45 | 0:43:49 | |
Let's be cooler and let's learn to have conversations | 0:43:49 | 0:43:52 | |
where we disagree about things. | 0:43:52 | 0:43:54 | |
I can see Annie's point about how tribalism can cause conflict, | 0:43:59 | 0:44:03 | |
but surely there's a place for identity in art? | 0:44:03 | 0:44:07 | |
MUSIC: "New Paths to Helicon Pt 1" by Mogwai | 0:44:07 | 0:44:10 | |
Glasgow-based group Mogwai - Scotland's self-styled Guitar Army - | 0:44:14 | 0:44:19 | |
are one of the most consistently creative bands | 0:44:19 | 0:44:22 | |
Scotland has ever produced. | 0:44:22 | 0:44:24 | |
Is Scottishness, whatever that is, | 0:44:26 | 0:44:29 | |
more important as a defining thing than subcultural stuff | 0:44:29 | 0:44:34 | |
like the history of rock music or the history of music itself? | 0:44:34 | 0:44:37 | |
I think it comes up in little ways. | 0:44:38 | 0:44:41 | |
I think that sometimes only when you leave Scotland do you realise how | 0:44:41 | 0:44:46 | |
Scottish you are, or you realise how defining certain traits are. | 0:44:46 | 0:44:51 | |
I think that there is something about Scottishness that is very... | 0:44:51 | 0:44:57 | |
I think humble is maybe too strong a word, but it is very... | 0:44:57 | 0:45:00 | |
Yeah, it's certainly not, we're certainly not the kind of folk | 0:45:02 | 0:45:05 | |
to shout from the rooftops. | 0:45:05 | 0:45:07 | |
I think that when people kind of either intellectually analyse | 0:45:07 | 0:45:11 | |
your music or make grand claims for it, there's a slight kind | 0:45:11 | 0:45:14 | |
of embarrassment within the Scottish culture that says, | 0:45:14 | 0:45:17 | |
"Oh, I don't want to be seen to be showboating | 0:45:17 | 0:45:19 | |
"or kind of baw-bagging or whatever." | 0:45:19 | 0:45:22 | |
Sheena Easton, Eastoning. | 0:45:22 | 0:45:25 | |
-They should maybe bring this word into the dictionary. -Exactly, yeah. | 0:45:25 | 0:45:28 | |
Mogwai operate on an international stage and recently contributed | 0:45:33 | 0:45:38 | |
to the soundtrack of the eerie French drama The Returned. | 0:45:38 | 0:45:42 | |
Are you increasingly, in your mind, | 0:45:45 | 0:45:47 | |
a global citizen more than a Scottish citizen? | 0:45:47 | 0:45:49 | |
Well, I'm not even a Scottish citizen at the moment. | 0:45:51 | 0:45:54 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:45:54 | 0:45:57 | |
I think it's important for culture to spread out as far as possible | 0:45:57 | 0:46:02 | |
and connect with people as far as possible. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:05 | |
Yeah, we've always had a great connection with France. | 0:46:05 | 0:46:07 | |
I think it was one of the first places | 0:46:07 | 0:46:09 | |
where people took us seriously. | 0:46:09 | 0:46:10 | |
I think, for a long time, when we started we were young, | 0:46:10 | 0:46:14 | |
but people took our youth as a sign of daftness | 0:46:14 | 0:46:18 | |
and thought we were just wee daft boys, which we were. | 0:46:18 | 0:46:20 | |
But we were wee daft boys making quite serious music. | 0:46:20 | 0:46:23 | |
And it was people in France that were the first to take it | 0:46:23 | 0:46:28 | |
quite seriously, I think. | 0:46:28 | 0:46:30 | |
Of course, Britishness has its own wee way of coming through too - | 0:46:33 | 0:46:38 | |
and that means ties to art and culture | 0:46:38 | 0:46:40 | |
that will play a part in the referendum as well. | 0:46:40 | 0:46:43 | |
Culturally, my two big loves are music and comedy. | 0:46:46 | 0:46:49 | |
And I've always seen there being a wonderfully wealthy tradition | 0:46:49 | 0:46:56 | |
of both of those things, in a British sense. | 0:46:56 | 0:46:59 | |
In a Scottish sense, as well. | 0:46:59 | 0:47:01 | |
But when I think of all of the things that I like, when | 0:47:01 | 0:47:04 | |
I think of the comedy that I adore, it's Monty Python, | 0:47:04 | 0:47:09 | |
it's coming up through Graham Linehan and the IT Crowd | 0:47:09 | 0:47:12 | |
and stuff like that. | 0:47:12 | 0:47:14 | |
It's like Father Ted, which is Irish, which is slightly different, | 0:47:14 | 0:47:17 | |
through to Chris Morris' stuff, Kenny Everett, The Two Ronnies. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:22 | |
And then I think of the way that the comedy... | 0:47:22 | 0:47:25 | |
Britain thankfully doesn't have an empire any more | 0:47:25 | 0:47:28 | |
but it does kind of have an empire in terms of punching above its weight | 0:47:28 | 0:47:32 | |
in exporting comedians and music to America. | 0:47:32 | 0:47:34 | |
And that makes me immensely proud to be British. | 0:47:34 | 0:47:37 | |
And I don't want to be divorced from that. | 0:47:37 | 0:47:39 | |
Although the referendum is not about voting for the end of comedy, | 0:47:46 | 0:47:50 | |
many Scots feel strong connections to Britishness | 0:47:50 | 0:47:53 | |
through things like that, more than, say, through monarchy. | 0:47:53 | 0:47:57 | |
There may even be a few out there that find Penelope Keith funny | 0:47:57 | 0:48:01 | |
and so cherish things the way they are. | 0:48:01 | 0:48:03 | |
In an opulent corner of Belgravia, that is for ever Scotland, | 0:48:06 | 0:48:12 | |
I met up with Scottish emigre Hugo Rifkind. | 0:48:12 | 0:48:16 | |
When you come across the debates about the independence referendum | 0:48:16 | 0:48:20 | |
in Scotland, what are your immediate emotional feelings | 0:48:20 | 0:48:23 | |
about it, rather than rational political feelings? | 0:48:23 | 0:48:26 | |
What emotionally do you feel? | 0:48:26 | 0:48:28 | |
In a strange way, I feel two things at once. | 0:48:28 | 0:48:30 | |
Partly I feel a bit like I have no place commenting. | 0:48:30 | 0:48:35 | |
Because if I wanted to have... | 0:48:35 | 0:48:37 | |
I ought to feel as if I wanted to have a say in | 0:48:37 | 0:48:40 | |
Scotland's future, I should have stayed in Scotland. | 0:48:40 | 0:48:42 | |
And the fact that I didn't, I feel that I've slightly sacrificed that. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:45 | |
So I find it hard to get too angry about the fact that | 0:48:45 | 0:48:47 | |
I don't have a vote, for example. | 0:48:47 | 0:48:49 | |
But at the same time, there's a sort of fear and resentment. | 0:48:49 | 0:48:52 | |
I feel like it threatens to take something away from me, | 0:48:52 | 0:48:55 | |
it threatens to make me a foreigner where I now live. | 0:48:55 | 0:48:59 | |
I consider my experience living in London, having made a home | 0:48:59 | 0:49:04 | |
in London, I don't feel like a kind of arriviste Irishman or Australian. | 0:49:04 | 0:49:08 | |
This is mine, this is my country. | 0:49:08 | 0:49:10 | |
I've merely moved to a different bit of my country. | 0:49:10 | 0:49:12 | |
And I slightly resent the notion of being told that that's in fact | 0:49:12 | 0:49:16 | |
not what's happened by somebody else. | 0:49:16 | 0:49:18 | |
And that goes further than ideas of citizenship or passports | 0:49:18 | 0:49:24 | |
because under the white paper, | 0:49:24 | 0:49:26 | |
the Scottish Government's white paper, you would hold Scottish | 0:49:26 | 0:49:30 | |
citizenship through a number of different definitions of that. | 0:49:30 | 0:49:33 | |
I would hold Scottish citizenship, absolutely, but I would | 0:49:33 | 0:49:36 | |
become a different nationality from my daughters, for example. | 0:49:36 | 0:49:40 | |
Or at least, not quite a different nationality, but I would... | 0:49:40 | 0:49:42 | |
I don't know quite how else to say it but this is mine, | 0:49:42 | 0:49:45 | |
I come to London and it's mine. It's the capital of my country. | 0:49:45 | 0:49:49 | |
It's the county that my ancestors moved to. | 0:49:49 | 0:49:52 | |
And to be told that my ancestors didn't move to that country but | 0:49:52 | 0:49:55 | |
they moved to a different country and it's me, I'm the immigrant. | 0:49:55 | 0:49:58 | |
It's not really how my identity works. | 0:49:58 | 0:50:01 | |
I confess that my own identity has a homing instinct. | 0:50:15 | 0:50:20 | |
This is where I grew up. | 0:50:20 | 0:50:22 | |
It's a millions miles from Belgravia | 0:50:22 | 0:50:24 | |
and the sense of Britishness that Hugo Rifkind feels is under threat. | 0:50:24 | 0:50:29 | |
To me, this is home. | 0:50:29 | 0:50:31 | |
This is the back streets of Letham in Perth where I grew up. | 0:50:32 | 0:50:35 | |
A typical working-class housing scheme. | 0:50:35 | 0:50:37 | |
And over the years, it was a place that people aspired to live in. | 0:50:37 | 0:50:41 | |
My mother and father came here. | 0:50:41 | 0:50:43 | |
He was an Irish Scot, she was English. They met during the war. | 0:50:43 | 0:50:47 | |
The war for them was clearly something that mattered. | 0:50:47 | 0:50:49 | |
It brought them together with a purpose - | 0:50:49 | 0:50:52 | |
the idea of Britishness. | 0:50:52 | 0:50:54 | |
But as I grew up and got older, I began to realise that Britishness | 0:50:54 | 0:50:58 | |
didn't matter quite so much to me and my generation. | 0:50:58 | 0:51:01 | |
In lots of ways, Britishness seemed as if it was in decline. | 0:51:01 | 0:51:04 | |
TRUMPET PLAYS | 0:51:04 | 0:51:07 | |
This film captures the flickering images | 0:51:14 | 0:51:17 | |
of the Empire Exhibition in Glasgow in 1938. | 0:51:17 | 0:51:21 | |
It talks of the Scots as North Britons, | 0:51:21 | 0:51:24 | |
bound by an umbilical chord to industry, empire and war. | 0:51:24 | 0:51:29 | |
BAGPIPES AND EXPLOSIONS | 0:51:29 | 0:51:33 | |
Today they are the same race of whom, nearly 500 years ago, | 0:51:34 | 0:51:38 | |
the historian Holinshed spoke: | 0:51:38 | 0:51:41 | |
"Thereunto, we find them to be courageous and hardy, | 0:51:41 | 0:51:45 | |
"offering themselves often unto the uttermost perils | 0:51:45 | 0:51:48 | |
"with great assurance, so that a man may pronounce nothing to be over-hard | 0:51:48 | 0:51:53 | |
"or past their power to perform." | 0:51:53 | 0:51:56 | |
Although it's dead and gone for me, | 0:52:02 | 0:52:05 | |
this feeling of Britishness is not a thing of the past for others. | 0:52:05 | 0:52:10 | |
70, 70, 80, 80... | 0:52:10 | 0:52:12 | |
Here at Stirling Mart, the cattle could be sold as | 0:52:14 | 0:52:17 | |
Best of British or Scotch Beef. | 0:52:17 | 0:52:21 | |
And many of their owners admit to a dual identity that's a bit of both. | 0:52:21 | 0:52:25 | |
I would say Scottish and British. | 0:52:26 | 0:52:28 | |
Is it Scottish first and then British? | 0:52:29 | 0:52:32 | |
Well, yeah, I live in Scotland, so I am a Scot. | 0:52:32 | 0:52:34 | |
But I am British. | 0:52:35 | 0:52:37 | |
Being British is... | 0:52:38 | 0:52:40 | |
The only reason I'm British is because my passport says I'm British. | 0:52:40 | 0:52:44 | |
I am quite pleased to be part of the Union, while at the same time, | 0:52:45 | 0:52:50 | |
I love my county. I very much see myself as Scottish. | 0:52:50 | 0:52:54 | |
But I do indeed see myself as British as well. | 0:52:54 | 0:52:56 | |
So Britishness is real and palpable for some | 0:52:59 | 0:53:02 | |
and my rush to confine it to the past is not universally shared. | 0:53:02 | 0:53:06 | |
Some are deeply committed to keeping Britishness in their everyday lives. | 0:53:06 | 0:53:10 | |
Whether Scotland goes independent or not, | 0:53:14 | 0:53:17 | |
I would like to retain a cultural sense of Britishness. | 0:53:17 | 0:53:20 | |
Not in the old-fashioned style of the empire, | 0:53:20 | 0:53:23 | |
and the British bulldog and the St George's flag. | 0:53:23 | 0:53:25 | |
I mean... | 0:53:25 | 0:53:27 | |
Like I mentioned... I'll give you a good example of this. | 0:53:27 | 0:53:31 | |
I feel very much at home in Manchester and Liverpool | 0:53:31 | 0:53:34 | |
and, actually, Birmingham. These are towns I feel at home in. | 0:53:34 | 0:53:37 | |
I find, especially in Manchester, | 0:53:37 | 0:53:38 | |
it's almost like another Glasgow to me. Feels very similar. | 0:53:38 | 0:53:42 | |
I don't have the same feeling when I go to London. | 0:53:42 | 0:53:44 | |
And I know that when a lot of Scottish people say | 0:53:44 | 0:53:46 | |
they hate the English, they don't. They don't hate the English. | 0:53:46 | 0:53:49 | |
They hate the Southeast, they don't hate the English. | 0:53:49 | 0:53:52 | |
And interestingly, London is kind of hiving away as its own entity anyway. | 0:53:52 | 0:53:57 | |
So I would not like to lose links with towns like Manchester | 0:53:57 | 0:54:01 | |
and Liverpool cos I feel quite strongly... | 0:54:01 | 0:54:03 | |
There's an argument that you could rebuild Hadrian's Wall | 0:54:03 | 0:54:06 | |
maybe round about...I don't know... | 0:54:06 | 0:54:09 | |
Leamington Spa - somewhere round about there. | 0:54:09 | 0:54:11 | |
I don't want Coventry, I'm not bothered. | 0:54:11 | 0:54:13 | |
SIREN WAILS | 0:54:13 | 0:54:15 | |
This is about the loose ends, | 0:54:15 | 0:54:17 | |
ties that bind the disparate threads together. | 0:54:17 | 0:54:20 | |
800,000 people born in Scotland live in the rest of the UK | 0:54:20 | 0:54:24 | |
and are border-hoppers. | 0:54:24 | 0:54:26 | |
Vast numbers of my friends have worked for a time in England, | 0:54:28 | 0:54:32 | |
some have settled in England and gone back. | 0:54:32 | 0:54:35 | |
My peer group is border-hopping. | 0:54:35 | 0:54:39 | |
It feels a bit like an independent Scotland would | 0:54:39 | 0:54:43 | |
deny me that identity, would tell me I had to make a choice | 0:54:43 | 0:54:47 | |
about what I was. | 0:54:47 | 0:54:49 | |
About whether I was a Scot in England or whether I ought to, I don't know, | 0:54:49 | 0:54:53 | |
pass the Tebbit test and become an Englishman in England. | 0:54:53 | 0:54:56 | |
Which is not something I have any desire to do. Yeah. | 0:54:56 | 0:54:58 | |
One place where the history of Scotland and Britain remain | 0:55:00 | 0:55:03 | |
inextricably linked is less than a mile away | 0:55:03 | 0:55:06 | |
from where I live in Glasgow. | 0:55:06 | 0:55:09 | |
The headquarters of the Orange Order in Scotland | 0:55:09 | 0:55:12 | |
is not a place I frequent that often. | 0:55:12 | 0:55:15 | |
But that may say more about my contemporary prejudices | 0:55:15 | 0:55:18 | |
than the Orange Order's settled values. | 0:55:18 | 0:55:20 | |
If I'm so quick to advocate cultural diversity, | 0:55:22 | 0:55:26 | |
the splendour of difference, | 0:55:26 | 0:55:28 | |
does it extend a hand to an unambiguously British culture? | 0:55:28 | 0:55:33 | |
If you're looking to find people who are comfortable | 0:55:33 | 0:55:35 | |
in their skin about being | 0:55:35 | 0:55:36 | |
both British and Scottish, you've found us. | 0:55:36 | 0:55:38 | |
Because the Orange Order, I guess, would be something | 0:55:38 | 0:55:42 | |
that you would think about. | 0:55:42 | 0:55:44 | |
And I think it's one of the strengths of the Union that | 0:55:44 | 0:55:47 | |
the individuality of the four countries that comprise it | 0:55:47 | 0:55:50 | |
has always been encouraged, and has always been there. | 0:55:50 | 0:55:53 | |
We've always been proud to be Scots or Welsh or Northern Irish | 0:55:53 | 0:55:56 | |
-or English and yet, also, proud to be British. -Yeah. | 0:55:56 | 0:55:59 | |
I've got several of these tartan ties. | 0:55:59 | 0:56:01 | |
I've got two kilts with all the trimmings. | 0:56:01 | 0:56:04 | |
I can quote from some Burns. I bristle, like every other Scot, | 0:56:04 | 0:56:08 | |
at every English insult, real or imagined. | 0:56:08 | 0:56:11 | |
So that makes me thoroughly Scots, | 0:56:11 | 0:56:13 | |
probably more Scots than Sean Connery, shall I say? | 0:56:13 | 0:56:15 | |
But it doesn't make me any less British. | 0:56:15 | 0:56:18 | |
I am very, very proud to be Scots but very intensely proud to be British. | 0:56:18 | 0:56:22 | |
And I don't see the distinction. | 0:56:22 | 0:56:23 | |
Ian Wilson is not alone in having this dual and co-existing identity. | 0:56:27 | 0:56:32 | |
Evidence suggests that co-existing feelings | 0:56:32 | 0:56:35 | |
and dual-identities of both Scottishness and Britishness | 0:56:35 | 0:56:39 | |
provide an important battle ground in the referendum. | 0:56:39 | 0:56:42 | |
Because, in a sense, virtually everyone in Scotland | 0:56:44 | 0:56:46 | |
feels strongly Scottish. | 0:56:46 | 0:56:48 | |
But Scotland clearly, at the moment, is a nation | 0:56:48 | 0:56:51 | |
which is divided about the merits of independence, | 0:56:51 | 0:56:53 | |
it follows that there must be a lot of people with a strong sense | 0:56:53 | 0:56:56 | |
of Scottish identity who are, at the moment, not following that up. | 0:56:56 | 0:56:59 | |
They are saying to themselves, "Look, it isn't just about whether or not | 0:56:59 | 0:57:04 | |
"I feel Scottish and I want my country to become an independent state, | 0:57:04 | 0:57:08 | |
"it's also about that I also feel British. | 0:57:08 | 0:57:10 | |
"I feel some affinity with the rest of the UK | 0:57:10 | 0:57:13 | |
"and do I want to let that go?" | 0:57:13 | 0:57:15 | |
And I think probably that the yes side, | 0:57:15 | 0:57:18 | |
to be able to win this referendum, | 0:57:18 | 0:57:20 | |
actually one of their key tasks is to persuade people who have at least | 0:57:20 | 0:57:24 | |
a modest sense of British identity, you can afford to let it go. | 0:57:24 | 0:57:28 | |
TRADITIONAL DANCE MUSIC | 0:57:28 | 0:57:31 | |
I started by saying there are over five million ways of being a Scot, | 0:57:31 | 0:57:36 | |
but one recurring pattern in the diverse quilt of identity | 0:57:36 | 0:57:40 | |
is that sense of Britishness that still exerts influence. | 0:57:40 | 0:57:43 | |
So here's the paradox - I set off on a journey to discover | 0:57:54 | 0:57:57 | |
the many different versions of Scottishness. | 0:57:57 | 0:57:59 | |
And on the way, discovered the concentric circles of identity | 0:57:59 | 0:58:02 | |
and thread of Britishness that runs through it. | 0:58:02 | 0:58:05 | |
It has faded for some, disappeared for others, | 0:58:05 | 0:58:09 | |
but for other people it's very much alive. | 0:58:09 | 0:58:12 | |
And that may well shape the outcome of the referendum. | 0:58:12 | 0:58:15 | |
One thing is absolutely certain, | 0:58:15 | 0:58:18 | |
Scotland's population is rising for the first time in centuries. | 0:58:18 | 0:58:23 | |
And that may take us on a very big journey indeed | 0:58:23 | 0:58:27 | |
to six million different versions of being Scottish. | 0:58:27 | 0:58:30 | |
BAGPIPES PLAY | 0:58:30 | 0:58:33 |