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OK, so you're passionate about

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your national identity?

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Enough to have electromagnetic needles inject

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indelible ink under your skin?!

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I've got the Scottish flag tattooed on my skin.

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It's inked on me.

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I'm Stuart Cosgrove. And in the year of the referendum, I have been

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watching the carnival of Scottish life more closely than ever before.

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And meeting people with surprising perspectives

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on what it means to be Scottish.

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We regard it as an old Scottish tradition that we are reviving.

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This is a story about the beating-heart

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of cultural difference...

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HE CHEERS

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..and who we really are.

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I think this is the world's best place to go surfing.

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HE LAUGHS That's a lie.

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It's a place where identity is neither simple nor fixed -

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many people feel only Scottish, some feel British

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and a substantial number look elsewhere for their identity.

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I am very, very proud to be Scots but very intensely proud to be British.

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And I don't see the distinction.

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These weighty books contain

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the hidden history of millions of Scots -

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ordinary people whose lives defy simple classification.

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I'm in New Register House, surrounded by the birth,

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death and marriage certificates of Scotland.

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This is the raw data of the nation.

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But what does it mean to be Scottish?

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All of us will answer that question differently -

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some in cliches and some in compelling human stories.

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Trust me, there are five million ways to be Scottish.

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'You're tuned in to Off The Ball - the most petty and ill-informed

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'sports programme on radio. Welcome to the show. I'm Stuart Cosgrove.

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'He's Tam Cowan. And joining us soon will be our guests -

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'Mark Wotte and Dundee Barry.

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'I'm Stuart Cosgrove. I present a radio show.

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'I am variously a soul music fan, a St Johnstone supporter, I'm married

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'into a Tamil Hindu family and I've struggled with eczema all my life.

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'To this day, cruel friends call me Lionel Itchy.

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'Oh, and I am Scottish, whatever that means?'

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I feel very secure about my identity in all its mongrel glory.

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The referendum is exciting -

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it offers us an opportunity to reflect on how Scotland's governed.

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But worry not, this is neither a political film,

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nor a campaign video.

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In fact, it's a journey to meet many people across Scotland

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with both settled and shifting attitudes to their identity

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and how it might impact on the referendum.

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BOYS: Freedom!

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90-minute-patriots - that is a commonly held view of Scots,

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aligning us uncomfortably with simple emotions

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and a game of football.

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# We'll be coming

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# We'll be coming

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# We'll be coming down the road... #

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I think of the Tartan Army, I think of haggis.

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# ..We'll be coming

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# We'll be coming down the road.... #

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The Scottish international team, the Edinburgh Tattoo.

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# ..We'll be coming

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# We'll be coming... #

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CHEERING

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So, a pudding and a song about coming down a road.

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Surely identity is more complex than that?

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Edinburgh. The capital.

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The Athens of the North.

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Home of miraculous myths and of a man who has lived with

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the raw data of identity for the last 20 years.

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David McCrone runs a centre which focuses on the study

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of national identity.

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He has spent a lifetime gathering evidence about how we see ourselves.

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David, this thing called identity, is it important?

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Well it is,

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but it's quite difficult to pin it down.

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The writer Willie McIlvanney once said that,

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"National identity is a bit like having an insurance policy.

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"You know you've got one, but you don't know where it is,

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"and you certainly don't know what the small print means."

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So it's everywhere, it's ubiquitous.

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But, in a way, until it's problematic,

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where there's a situation where people have to choose,

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people just take it for granted.

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In everyday life, we do take it for granted.

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But decades of evidence shows that Scots - more than anyone

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else in Britain - feel their national identity.

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It is in the language of marketing speak - it's a core value.

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Over the years, we discovered that Scottish identity -

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being Scottish - among everyone, is a very important identity.

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On a par, thank God, with being a parent,

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and indeed being a partner or a spouse.

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And certainly more important that peoples' gender,

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or their class identity and so on. So it is ubiquitous in Scotland.

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People in Scotland think of themselves

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overwhelmingly as Scottish.

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Some people would say that identity is kind of fixed, it's given,

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you know - I am Scottish, therefore I am.

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Is identity fixed?

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No, because identity, above all, has to do with claims.

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That is, people claim to be something.

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That is - I am this, I am that.

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Or they say - you are not,

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or you are one of us, or not one of us.

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And so on, and so on.

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There's a whole complex of negotiation of identities

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which people go through.

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CROWD CHANTING

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McDiarmid Park, Perth.

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Once arable farmland and now home of St Johnstone FC.

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I'm here to meet someone who is a living embodiment of how

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complex those negotiations can be.

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Bruce Fummey is a fellow Saints fan.

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His dad was Ghanaian student, his mum is Scottish.

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Ironically, his African father studied at an aerodrome

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in Scone a few hundred yards from the spiritual

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home of the Stone of Destiny - it's where Africa meets ancient Scotland.

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Bruce we're talking really about identity, about what makes you

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feel who you are. How would you describe yourself?

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A fat bloke, I would say

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is probably the predominant sense that

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I get as I walk about the streets. But no,

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you're talking about in terms of your national background,

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your national identity and stuff.

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A Scottish African - would that fit into your genre?

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Yeah, of course it would. And as a Scottish African,

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how important therefore is being Scottish to you?

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SHARP INTAKE OF BREATH

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It depends if I'm at the rugby or no'.

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It's part of your everyday existence. How important is your arm to you?

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Sometimes it's more important than others, sometimes it really

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disnae matter because you're no' using it.

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But it's part of me, it's part of who I am.

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Let me introduce myself. My name is Bruce Fummey.

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I'm a 5'8" male of mixed racial origin.

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Medium build.

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LAUGHTER

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Piss off!

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Bruce defies the norm.

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He is a regular on the stand-up comedy circuit

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and an aficionado of the national poet Rabbie Burns.

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He can recite poems that most of us only half-know a line from.

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I think growing up you kind of almost had to be more

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Scottish than the other Scottish kids, you know what I mean?

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Now here's one really difficult thing. I hear on the grapevine

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that you're also learning, studying and evolving your Gaelic language.

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Now, for most Scots that's something that's quite challenging,

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even for people that have grown up in the Gaeltacht or whatever.

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It's a big challenge.

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It's no' easy. French or German or Spanish would be easier.

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I've become quite obsessed with it, do you know what I mean?

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What led to it? What attracted you to an indigenous language?

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It was accidental. We were going to the islands,

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and I went into the Bridge of Allan library.

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I said, "Look, I'm going to the islands, have you any advice?"

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And she pointed me towards this room. And I thought I'd go in

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and find books about the Hebrides, but actually I found a Gaelic class.

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Now in a situation like that, a confident person says,

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"Sorry, I've made a mistake," turns and walks out.

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An insecure person becomes part of Stirling Council's

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adult education scheme.

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Now the old cynic would say that you're just doing it to get on the

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telly because BBC Alba is always looking for

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Scots-Ghanaian comedians.

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-Al-pah.

-Al-pah? OK.

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THEY LAUGH

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Folk do say that. They say, "Why are you learning Gaelic?

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"Are you learning Gaelic so that when you go up to Inverness

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"to do your comedy people understand you?"

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And I say, "No, that's why I'm learning Polish."

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THEY LAUGH

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"Are you learning Gaelic to get on the telly?"

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There's easier ways of getting on the telly.

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As you know, there's easier ways of getting on the telly.

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If you've got an embarrassing body, you get on the telly.

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If you're from a family of big fat folk, you get on the telly.

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If your kids won't behave, if you've got a manky house,

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you get on the telly. I've got no need to learn Gaelic,

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I've got 101 ways to get on the telly.

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So, a fat bloke with a manky hoose.

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Bruce's self-mocking way of asserting his identity

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is a breath of fresh air. It's clearly very important to him.

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And, by the way, he's inclined to vote yes in September.

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Identity matters, and for some people it runs more than skin deep.

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On the walls of this tattoo parlour in Hamilton

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are the diverse slogans, emblems and symbols of identity.

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Lanarkshire has its own sub-cultures of belonging,

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which often find their expression in politics and religion.

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On the Catholic side of things, you've got Jesus,

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the Virgin Mary, crosses,

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crosses with Jesus - all that sort of thing.

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And you've got more radical things like IRA tattoos

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and that sort of thing.

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On the Protestant side of things, you've got Union Jacks,

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British tattoos like bulldogs, lions, that sort of thing.

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And then more radical, you've got UVF and UDA.

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Although I am more interested in how Scotland will be governed

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after the referendum, tattoo parlours tell us that the

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event itself is igniting passions and tribal loyalties.

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Getting a tattoo just to symbolise

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my feeling on my Britishness.

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Obviously, just to reaffirm

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my position on the referendum.

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Most of my tattoos are all something very close to me.

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The majority of them are obviously

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cultural aspects of my life.

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And it always has been - any tattoo

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I've got always has been more

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cultural and personal

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than anything else.

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So this is the body-politics of the yes/no debate

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and in the time-honoured BBC tradition,

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here's Toni to provide balance.

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I'm getting a Saltire with "freedom" wi' thistles.

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And what does that tattoo say to you?

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-Tell me some of the things that...

-I'm Scottish.

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Now tell me, you've got one very special tattoo, tell me about that.

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100% Scottish Beef. It's on my bum.

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I would show you but I don't think you want to see it.

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A desire to adorn ourselves with image and identity is what keeps

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this business alive. And the final results are never easy to erase.

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I like the fact that obviously it emphasises on the flag itself,

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which is what I was originally going for, obviously.

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I'm definitely happy with that.

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It's probably the biggest one I've got, I'd say.

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HE LAUGHS

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I feel more Scottish now I've got the Scottish flag

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-tattooed on my skin. It's inked on me.

-For ever.

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Until I die.

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Tattoos divide opinion just as much as politics

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but they also act as a form of cartoon-identity -

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values inked into absolutes.

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The forthcoming referendum engages viewpoints that are certain

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and absolute, but many more that are unsure,

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and whose views are open to change.

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To help me grasp this capacity to change,

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I met Scotland's biggest psephological brain

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to try and work out what identity means

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in cold, hard, political reality.

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If it wasn't the case

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that Scotland was indeed a distinct nation

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within the United Kingdom, and that therefore as a result some

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people could say to themselves,

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well, look, I am Scottish, why can't my country be an independent state

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like any other nation?

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I don't think we'd be having this referendum in the first place.

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And, certainly, it's clearly true that the more Scottish that

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people feel and the less British that they feel, the more likely

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they say they're going to vote yes in this referendum.

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At the backdrop of all of this,

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identity is providing a crucial structure that is shaping the

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opportunities that are open to the yes and no sides in the first place.

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In other elections, John, there's been a tendency for analysts

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to look to particular sub-groups of the society.

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In the USA elections it was the soccer mom.

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We've had in British elections, you know, Basildon man or

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white-van-man, whatever.

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Is it possible to identify within the Scottish electorate,

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sub-groups of people who may be disproportionately important?

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Well, I'm not sure if we can identify groups that are

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disproportionately important, though I think we can identify stereotypes.

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I mean, I think, on the yes side at least, almost undoubtedly

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the stereotype is going to be of what we might call caber man.

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Now, in other words, somebody who is relatively young, who is male

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and who has a very strong sense of Scottish identity,

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as for example,

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through participation in tossing the caber in a Highland Games.

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That sounds about 25 people.

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Well, I mean, therein maybe in fact reveals the fact

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that, of course, at the end of the day we are looking at a society,

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many of whom are people with a sense of dual identity,

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which is why, arguably,

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this referendum is not looking that easy for the yes side to win.

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Because even somebody with a strong sense of Scottish identity, many of

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those people will also acknowledge a strong sense of Britishness.

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Oh, come on, John! I have lived in Scotland most of my life

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but I have never met or even seen a caber man.

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It sounds like a term thrown into the debate by psephologists

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to sell their wares or to baffle us into submission.

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But John has a point - feeling Scottish doesn't stop you

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feeling other things as well.

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I am certain that over the last 20 years

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we have witnessed a rise of self-awareness and self-confidence

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that may be a strong underlying theme in the year of the referendum.

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To illustrate this, I want to take you on a detour to the

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Malt Whisky Society to meet food-writer Sue Lawrence.

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Excuse the mild pretentiousness but this conversation

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is about your granny and the semiotics of clootie dumpling.

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The clootie dumpling is something

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that is very much from my family

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and you are quite near, you're Perth, I'm Dundee.

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It was very much that sort of area.

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Well I remember my granny cooking clootie dumpling,

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in fact she'd use the word cloot daily.

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She'd say, "I'll dicht your kisser with this cloot," or whatever.

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And she'd wipe my face and use the cloth and then the cloth,

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not the same cloth, a cloth, was then used to cook the dumpling.

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When you start to look at it, maybe this is just my own family

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experience, but I kind of felt that traditional Scottish food

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began to die away maybe some time in the '60s or whatever.

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Or maybe became something that we were slightly embarrassed about.

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We were definitely ashamed of it all and I think, you know, post-war

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people were out of rationing, say our parents.

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And they were thinking, "Why do we want mince and tatties?

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"We can make spaghetti carbonara, spaghetti Bolognese, lasagne."

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People were also travelling more. But we were definitely, I think, unsure

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of who we were and we wanted to maybe be something a little bit different.

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And there's some sense of looking back at our own history,

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with that feeling of maybe kind of cringe or disdain or something

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where you're uncomfortable with even saying things like clootie dumpling.

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Exactly. Or Hogmanay, First Footing. First Footing, everyone did it.

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Then suddenly it wasn't quite the thing,

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and people would have dinner parties instead.

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Traditional foods like Stornoway black pudding, Arbroath smokies,

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porridge oats were largely confined to the past, but have suddenly

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resurfaced in a new self-confident Scotland, where the organic,

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fresh-food movement has found value in authenticity and localness.

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Almost all of these foodstuffs, in one way or another,

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could find themselves on the menu of the poshest restaurants in Scotland

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and Michelin-star and whatever.

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You'd comfortably go in and see a starter that would be

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-Stornoway black pudding with...

-Scallops.

-Scallops or whatever.

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Haggis with a pomegranate jus

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-or something like that, I don't know.

-Interesting.

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But all of these things could quite easily feature

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in a Scottish restaurant and that.

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So is it that they have simply become part of the world of food

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or is there a move, do you think, to reclaim the past?

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I think a bit of both.

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You said that these would be in any Scottish restaurant.

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But the good black puddings are in a lot of London restaurants now,

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you know, with their branding. Because everyone's proud of that.

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So I think it's the pride and I think it's also, yes,

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it's part of the worldwide cuisine now.

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Our relationship with food is both everyday and profound -

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it can help define a culture

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and tells us a simple but hugely important lesson.

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Scotland is abandoning the cultural cringe.

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We are no longer embarrassed about who we are,

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or in awe of the apparent sophistication of others.

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To measure how powerfully Scotland's re-emergent identity has grown,

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look a few miles south.

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Is there the same confidence about national identity in Gateshead?

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# All you fascists

0:19:300:19:32

# You may be surprised

0:19:320:19:35

# The people in this world are getting organised

0:19:350:19:39

# You're bound to lose

0:19:390:19:42

# All you fascists are bound to lose... #

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Singer, songwriter and socialist Billy Bragg

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is preparing for a concert here

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and is worried that Scotland is leaving the English behind.

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We English tend to have a collective blind spot over our

0:19:560:20:01

national identity and that blind spot is obscured by the Union Jack.

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The fact that we still sing God Save the Queen,

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the British national anthem, at sporting events,

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rather than an equivalent of Flower of Scotland -

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that to me was the moment that I realised that something was

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changing in Scotland, when the Scots decided to no longer sing

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God Save the Queen but sing their own song.

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If the English ever get round to choosing a song that at least

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mentions the name of our bloody country -

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which I think is the very least you would expect from a national anthem -

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that would be the first sign that we are starting to take the

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first steps on the long journey that Scotland is close to completing.

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GUITAR PLAYS

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# Take down the Union Jack

0:20:560:21:00

# It clashes with the sunset

0:21:000:21:03

# And put it in the attic with the emperor's old clothes

0:21:030:21:10

# When did it fall apart?

0:21:100:21:14

# Sometime in the '80s

0:21:140:21:17

# When the great and the good gave way

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# To the greedy and the mean... #

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Billy has touched a raw nerve, guaranteed to infuriate even the

0:21:240:21:28

most placid Scot - is there a difference between the words

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English and British?

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# Take down the Union Jack

0:21:330:21:36

# It clashes with the sunset

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# And ask our Scottish neighbours

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# If independence looks any good

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# Cos they just might understand

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# How to take an abstract notion of personal identity

0:21:510:21:57

# And turn it into nationhood... #

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Whilst Billy Bragg is ready to call himself English,

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do his audience have a clear idea of what that actually means?

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I suppose I think of tea, cups of tea?

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SHE LAUGHS

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They drink tea in Scotland.

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They do, that's why I said British, not just English.

0:22:220:22:24

I can't think of anything specific about being English,

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apart from the George Cross is the flag of England.

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Um...

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What a hard question.

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I suppose it's just part of

0:22:360:22:39

several sort of geographical identities you have.

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I sort of see them as Russian dolls.

0:22:420:22:46

I'm a Northerner, that fits inside being from England,

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which fits inside being British, which fits inside being European,

0:22:510:22:55

which fits inside being a citizen of the world, really.

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Do you think that for English people it's a bit harder

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to distinguish between being English and British

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than it is for other people of the UK?

0:23:040:23:06

Yes, definitely, yeah.

0:23:060:23:08

I don't think it means that we have any less of an identity,

0:23:080:23:11

I just think that there are less things out there that

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symbolise that we are stereotypically English.

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So stereotypically Scottish, you think tartan.

0:23:160:23:20

Stereotypically Irish, you think green. That kind of thing.

0:23:200:23:23

Whereas with English, I don't think we have anything that

0:23:230:23:26

defines us into that category, into that group.

0:23:260:23:29

The strongest possibility of there being a new English settlement

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comes if there is an independent Scotland.

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Because then we will be forced to think again about who we are.

0:23:370:23:41

In some ways, you'll take that Union Jack awning off the front of what

0:23:410:23:48

it means to be English and force us to think a bit more about it.

0:23:480:23:52

But we're never going to get our heads out of the attic of Britishness

0:23:520:23:57

unless something changes.

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So that possibility presents itself next year.

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HE LAUGHS

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If, unlike the English, Scots seem to be negotiating a modern,

0:24:060:24:10

post-imperial identity, it would be naive to think that

0:24:100:24:14

history and the glorious past no longer matter.

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Sad as it may seem, I recently reread an old

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copy of the Journal Of Scottish Affairs from 1994.

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And I came across a perspective on the past that may provide

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a key to unlocking the mysteries of today.

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It's a methodology which breaks our sense of identity down into a

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series of concentric rings -

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family, nationality, tribe and so on.

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The original author of the concentric circles of identity

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lives here in Fife.

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TC Smout is retired but he was the Historiographer Royal

0:24:510:24:55

and remains an avid ornithologist.

0:24:550:24:58

Like me, he thinks identity is complex and layered.

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These are like

0:25:020:25:03

circles that are...

0:25:030:25:06

that spread out from the family, to the tribe.

0:25:060:25:10

And the kin is very important in Scotland,

0:25:110:25:14

which is kind of between the family and the tribe.

0:25:140:25:17

And the region, and then the nation, the nationality of being Scottish,

0:25:170:25:25

and then something possibly even bigger, like being European.

0:25:250:25:31

I mean, it's... You wake up in morning and you say, "Who am I?"

0:25:310:25:35

The answer to that is, quite a lot of things.

0:25:350:25:38

According to Professor Smout's theories, these concentric

0:25:390:25:43

circles have a distinct Scottish aspect.

0:25:430:25:46

Being Scottish, historically, is not a fixed tribal or ethnic

0:25:460:25:51

identity, nor is it based on a language or a creed.

0:25:510:25:54

It's more than just living here, it's putting down roots.

0:25:550:25:59

It's the feeling of belonging which makes you Scottish.

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But it's not who your mother and father were.

0:26:040:26:06

It's about belonging. What a great word.

0:26:080:26:12

Historically, Scottishness has always been inclusive - Gaels,

0:26:120:26:16

Lowlanders, even die-hard Fifers all called themselves Scots

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quite happily.

0:26:210:26:22

Recently, using the records kept here at New Register House

0:26:260:26:30

in Edinburgh,

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I traced my own family back - as many Scots can - to Ireland.

0:26:310:26:36

The huge wave of post-famine immigration in the 19th century

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brought my ancestors from Galway to the jute mills of Perth.

0:26:400:26:45

They quickly assimilated as Scots.

0:26:450:26:47

But the latest census shows that this process of inward

0:26:470:26:50

migration continues today.

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In the last decade, the ethnic minority population of Scotland

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has doubled to 4%.

0:26:570:27:00

Tim, I'm just taken aback by the volumes of information

0:27:000:27:05

and history and research that's available here.

0:27:050:27:08

Just in a very simple sense,

0:27:080:27:09

what do all these volumes tell us about Scotland?

0:27:090:27:13

What it tells us is that, over the last few decades,

0:27:130:27:17

we have become a much bigger population.

0:27:170:27:20

We've grown by about half-a-million over the last 100 years.

0:27:200:27:24

We've become an older population. And over the more recent past,

0:27:240:27:27

we have become a more diverse population.

0:27:270:27:30

One key to unlocking the kind of mysteries of identity is language.

0:27:300:27:35

What does the census tells us, if anything, about

0:27:350:27:38

the changing nature of the languages that Scots speak?

0:27:380:27:41

One of the things it tells us is that there's a lot more of them than there used to be.

0:27:410:27:44

There's over 170 languages recorded in the last census,

0:27:440:27:47

that are spoken by ten or more people.

0:27:470:27:50

That's a large range of diversity.

0:27:500:27:53

Some of them will be languages that will have been here

0:27:530:27:55

for many, many years. Decades even. And others will be much more recent.

0:27:550:27:59

Some of them will be only spoken by ten people or so,

0:27:590:28:02

and others will be spoken by hundreds of thousands.

0:28:020:28:05

So final question, Tim. When you look at the census now,

0:28:050:28:09

is there anything that personally fascinated you as an individual

0:28:090:28:14

rather than necessarily as someone that's the bearer of the keys

0:28:140:28:18

of this wonderful place?

0:28:180:28:20

I suppose, for me, I think the increase in diversity is

0:28:200:28:24

a fascinating thing and it does get to this question of

0:28:240:28:28

who we are and where we come from.

0:28:280:28:30

My roots are English but I've been in Scotland now for many years and

0:28:300:28:34

I think that being able to understand that people move around

0:28:340:28:37

and that they find different ways to express their identity

0:28:370:28:41

and to live out their lives.

0:28:410:28:43

Most people don't do the census with a view to history.

0:28:430:28:48

They do it because they have to do it

0:28:480:28:50

and because they see some merit in the data that comes from it.

0:28:500:28:53

But when you fill it in, what comes out of it is

0:28:530:28:56

that broad sweep of the nation as a whole

0:28:560:28:59

that you see coming through it. That's the fascinating thing for me.

0:28:590:29:02

It really is fascinating.

0:29:020:29:03

That sweep of history has changed what it means to be Scottish -

0:29:050:29:09

here's the proof that diversity is increasingly our future.

0:29:090:29:14

But does that mean that more people will feel

0:29:150:29:18

trapped between different identities?

0:29:180:29:20

How do I define myself?

0:29:220:29:23

OK, well, OK, I am Scottish.

0:29:230:29:25

But I was born in London, so arguably I'm English,

0:29:250:29:29

but then I'd say British.

0:29:290:29:31

But my dad was brought up in India and my mum was brought up in Kenya -

0:29:310:29:36

so, I go alphabetical.

0:29:360:29:38

So, that makes me Asian first, then British, then Scottish,

0:29:380:29:43

and somewhere in amongst that is myopic.

0:29:430:29:45

STUART LAUGHS

0:29:450:29:46

I'm incredibly short-sighted, both figuratively and literally.

0:29:460:29:49

Yeah, there are some people that kind of feel ill-at-ease with

0:29:490:29:53

the way that identity, it almost is in flux in your life,

0:29:530:29:58

and at different moments in your life, different elements of who you

0:29:580:30:01

think you are, or who you believe you are, come to the surface.

0:30:010:30:04

Have you ever found that your Scottishness

0:30:040:30:06

or your Britishness is in tension?

0:30:060:30:09

Oh, absolutely. Sometimes... You pull focus when you need to.

0:30:090:30:13

It's not like you change when you need to,

0:30:130:30:15

but just certain things come to the fore.

0:30:150:30:16

And if you are sort of a mixed bag, like I am,

0:30:160:30:19

there's just more elements that can sort of come to the fore.

0:30:190:30:22

When I was younger, maybe eight or nine years old...

0:30:220:30:25

GRANGE HILL THEME

0:30:250:30:27

..I grew up in Glasgow, grew up in Bishopbriggs, north of Glasgow.

0:30:270:30:30

If I ever had cause to go into town, I'd be very surprised

0:30:300:30:32

if I wasn't called a Paki, or occasionally a Sambo,

0:30:320:30:35

which annoyed me, because I thought,

0:30:350:30:37

"If you're going to be racially insensitive, get it right."

0:30:370:30:40

But equally, if I then went to the wedding of a cousin in London,

0:30:400:30:43

I'd get called Jock, and I'd suddenly become quite proudly Scottish.

0:30:430:30:47

And they couldn't cope with the fact that I had a Scottish accent,

0:30:470:30:50

as diluted as mine is, coming out of this brown face.

0:30:500:30:54

So they found it quite hard to cope with my Scottishness.

0:30:540:30:56

So I kind of felt like I was fighting it on all corners.

0:30:560:30:59

When you're eight or nine, you feel like that's a negative thing,

0:30:590:31:02

but as you get older, you realise that you can use it in a positive way.

0:31:020:31:05

To make sense today of the concentric circles of identity,

0:31:110:31:16

you would have to include another defining factor - youth culture.

0:31:160:31:19

Those that take their identity not from nationhood

0:31:260:31:29

but from their social life, their music or their sense of fashion.

0:31:290:31:33

Some are even willing to brave the fiercest weather

0:31:360:31:39

and challenges to assert their culture - Scotland's surfers.

0:31:390:31:43

It's kind of grim, but it's kind of like,

0:31:500:31:52

you don't feel it, in a sense, because you're insulated

0:31:520:31:55

in these 21st-century spacesuits that we wear, or wet suits.

0:31:550:31:58

I mean, it's not great surf conditions.

0:32:000:32:02

It's stormy, it's windy, it's overcast, it was raining earlier,

0:32:020:32:05

but it doesn't really matter.

0:32:050:32:06

You're still out there, paddling around, catching the occasional wave

0:32:060:32:10

and just being part of it all. It's hard to explain.

0:32:100:32:14

It seems nuts, but it doesn't feel like it.

0:32:140:32:17

He's right, identity is nuts.

0:32:230:32:25

Since the rise of the teenager in the 1950s, the notion of youth

0:32:250:32:29

subculture has complicated still further an already complex picture.

0:32:290:32:35

A passion for something you do or love can often define someone

0:32:350:32:39

more crucially than nationality, family or gender.

0:32:390:32:44

You know, surfing in Scotland is a good time.

0:32:440:32:46

But it's not for most Scottish people.

0:32:460:32:49

The attraction is the natural environment.

0:32:490:32:52

It's the fact that it is quite quiet.

0:32:520:32:54

In certain parts, on certain days, the waves can be as good anywhere.

0:32:580:33:03

I think this is the world's best place to go surfing.

0:33:030:33:06

HE LAUGHS

0:33:060:33:07

That's a lie.

0:33:070:33:08

Surfing and the concrete magic of skate-boarding

0:33:110:33:14

means so much to Jamie, he's built a business around it.

0:33:140:33:18

And ironically, it has allowed him

0:33:180:33:19

to discover a country he already lived in and thought he knew.

0:33:190:33:24

Is Scotland undiscovered in that sense?

0:33:240:33:27

In terms of its surf culture or whatever?

0:33:270:33:30

I don't want to say too much.

0:33:300:33:33

STUART LAUGHS

0:33:330:33:34

Scotland is rugged, it's inaccessible, and it's remote.

0:33:340:33:39

That's part of the beauty of it.

0:33:390:33:41

That's what's good from a surfer's point of view.

0:33:410:33:44

That can be often what you're looking for.

0:33:440:33:46

Yeah, has surfing made you discover Scotland maybe in ways that

0:33:460:33:50

you didn't know it as a child growing up?

0:33:500:33:52

Big time. Surfing, it can take you to literally discover the world.

0:33:520:33:56

But in the Scottish perspective,

0:33:560:33:58

it has taken me to all of the remotest points.

0:33:580:34:01

I would never have gone to the Outer Hebrides.

0:34:010:34:03

I'd probably would never have gone to Thurso, to be honest with you,

0:34:030:34:06

if it wasn't for the fact that I heard there were good waves up there.

0:34:060:34:09

Same as the west coast, parts of the east coast, wherever.

0:34:090:34:12

Jamie's business depends on putting together two salient parts

0:34:120:34:16

of his identity - he is a surfer and a Scot - and the meeting

0:34:160:34:20

of those two has created something bigger than both.

0:34:200:34:25

I'm thinking here of some of the kind of gear that you sell.

0:34:250:34:28

And just looking, you know, just looking at this hoodie...

0:34:280:34:32

The shop's Clan. And it's got Glasgow on it

0:34:330:34:36

and it's got the Celtic iconography on it and things like that.

0:34:360:34:40

Is, for you, the importance of Scotland as a place

0:34:400:34:44

quite important in terms of how you do business?

0:34:440:34:47

For sure. It's pretty blatant.

0:34:470:34:51

It stemmed from a conversation with one of my best friends

0:34:510:34:54

about setting up a skateboard shop -

0:34:540:34:57

what would it mean and what does it mean?

0:34:570:34:59

It really was just a group of core skateboarders, 20, 30 years ago.

0:34:590:35:03

I wanted to represent that and also the country.

0:35:030:35:07

We had a sort of different scene.

0:35:070:35:11

And Clan seemed like it was the obvious choice.

0:35:110:35:16

More as in family, group, I wasn't saying just Scottish.

0:35:160:35:20

I was just saying anybody that skates, you're all part of the clan.

0:35:200:35:23

With the referendum coming up, you know,

0:35:230:35:25

all of the political parties are always keen to see how

0:35:250:35:28

demographically people might vote. Age, gender, all the rest of it.

0:35:280:35:31

What's your instinct in Scotland?

0:35:310:35:33

Surfers, are they likely to vote yes or no?

0:35:330:35:36

THEY LAUGH

0:35:360:35:37

It depends. It's a varied group.

0:35:370:35:40

I think a lot of them will be sort of into the idea.

0:35:400:35:44

A bit unsure about what impact it's going to make.

0:35:440:35:49

A very small impact that did happen was that the ferry prices dropped,

0:35:490:35:54

so to go to the Outer Hebrides or whatever

0:35:540:35:57

became cheaper for surfers. So there's a direct correlation.

0:35:570:36:00

-There's a positive one.

-That's maybe how they'll look at it.

0:36:000:36:04

So identity - brought into sharp focus - can be based on what

0:36:070:36:11

we love, it can be about our passions rather than our nation.

0:36:110:36:15

And maybe it's not a rigid structure of rings or circles

0:36:150:36:19

but as Sanjeev Kohli suggested, a lens through which

0:36:190:36:23

we see the world, one that allows us to pull focus.

0:36:230:36:26

Take me, I'm a big fan of Northern Soul music.

0:36:300:36:33

It's ghetto-music from the 1960s in America and the civil rights period.

0:36:330:36:38

It came to Britain largely through working-class English DJs

0:36:380:36:42

and then was appropriated and assimilated by Scots.

0:36:420:36:45

Much like identity itself,

0:36:450:36:47

it's something that's borrowed, re-worked and reassessed.

0:36:470:36:51

And pursuing passions can often disrupt normal logic.

0:36:530:36:58

TRADITIONAL FOLK MUSIC

0:36:580:37:00

A St Andrew's night Ceilidh near Banchory -

0:37:000:37:02

what could be more Scottish?

0:37:020:37:04

MUSIC STOPS

0:37:060:37:08

APPLAUSE

0:37:080:37:10

But yet again, things are not quite what they seem.

0:37:130:37:16

BAND PLAYS

0:37:210:37:24

Oh, we saw a team come up from England and dance in Aberdeen.

0:37:290:37:33

And we thought, "Gosh that looks like great fun!"

0:37:330:37:36

So we thought we would give it a try.

0:37:360:37:38

Once you get hooked on morris dancing

0:37:380:37:41

you tend to be a morris man for ever, more or less.

0:37:410:37:43

You sort of die in post, you know?

0:37:430:37:45

It's a bit addictive, though quite why

0:37:450:37:48

I don't think any of us really know.

0:37:480:37:49

It's quite an interesting phenomenon.

0:37:490:37:52

AUDIENCE APPLAUD

0:37:540:37:55

When we first started, there were people who

0:37:580:38:00

sort of, you know, that...expletive undeleted,

0:38:000:38:03

"It's this lot." You know?

0:38:030:38:06

But, I mean, nowadays, half the time

0:38:060:38:08

if you were going down the road with your bells and whatnot on,

0:38:080:38:11

they'd be asking you, "Where are you dancing?" if you see what I mean?

0:38:110:38:15

So from that point of view, it's become a bit more familiar.

0:38:150:38:17

TRADITIONAL FOLK MUSIC

0:38:170:38:20

Most people think of morris dancing as quintessentially English - but

0:38:200:38:25

in the confused story of identity, it actually has deep Scottish roots.

0:38:250:38:30

Morris dancing is first recorded in the UK,

0:38:300:38:33

in Scotland in 1472, I think, or thereabouts.

0:38:330:38:37

Maybe plus or minus a year or two.

0:38:370:38:39

It started off as courtly entertainment

0:38:390:38:42

in the court of the king, gradually went down the social ladder

0:38:420:38:46

until it became a country village sort of thing.

0:38:460:38:51

And so we regard it as an old Scottish tradition

0:38:510:38:55

that we are reviving. It's not usually perceived that way

0:38:550:38:58

because most people think that it's English, but it's not at all.

0:38:580:39:01

BAGPIPES PLAY

0:39:010:39:04

So, Scottish morris dancing revived.

0:39:200:39:24

It's a local hybrid that resists any attempts to classify or confine

0:39:240:39:29

cultural identity. It is simply what these men

0:39:290:39:32

have made for themselves.

0:39:320:39:34

THEY SHOUT

0:39:340:39:37

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

0:39:410:39:43

We have quite a strong identity.

0:39:460:39:48

We've been dancing with each other for nearly 40 years.

0:39:480:39:50

-Almost for ever.

-Almost for ever.

0:39:500:39:52

THEY LAUGH

0:39:520:39:53

Yes. And we have quite a strong identity as well.

0:39:530:39:56

We have our own dances, with our own characteristic steps and movements.

0:39:560:39:59

And we feel a very strong local tradition.

0:39:590:40:02

And even if we do use other people's dances,

0:40:020:40:04

we're still adapting them for our... to what we feel is comfortable.

0:40:040:40:08

So there's definitely a localness about it.

0:40:080:40:10

We've built a local tradition here over 40 years.

0:40:100:40:14

I don't know whether that's any help.

0:40:150:40:17

THEY LAUGH

0:40:170:40:18

The referendum is already emotionally charged

0:40:240:40:27

and no community will go unnoticed in the search for votes.

0:40:270:40:30

I am keeping my eye on Scotland's fragmented identities

0:40:300:40:34

to see if they have any influence at all on the referendum.

0:40:340:40:38

My favourite so far is Scottish Drag Queens for Independence.

0:40:380:40:43

"Be true to yourself in life, politics and love."

0:40:430:40:47

They may not hold the balance of power

0:40:470:40:49

but the beehives are brilliant.

0:40:490:40:51

Sometimes identity can curdle into tribalism.

0:40:550:40:59

My old friend, the film director Annie Griffin, is an American

0:40:590:41:04

who moved to London and on to Glasgow and now Edinburgh.

0:41:040:41:08

She thinks that I have a very Scottish habit - dwelling

0:41:080:41:11

on differences and grievances, and worse still, not listening enough.

0:41:110:41:16

The picking away at differences

0:41:160:41:18

doesn't seem so important to me,

0:41:180:41:22

and certainly when one thinks about the referendum in 2014,

0:41:220:41:27

whether I'm a Scot or whether I'm an American living in Scotland,

0:41:270:41:30

it's about who is in charge and what access we have to power.

0:41:300:41:35

Not, do I feel more Scottish than Sean Connery or Ewan McGregor

0:41:350:41:39

or people who live outside of Scotland

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and yet are identifiably Scottish by their voices?

0:41:420:41:45

The honest answer is, I don't think a lot about what am I, who am I?

0:41:450:41:50

Do you feel more shaped by the politics of gender

0:41:500:41:54

than the politics of nationhood?

0:41:540:41:56

Do you think - throw a question back at you -

0:41:560:41:59

do you think that identity politics is on the way out?

0:41:590:42:02

The focus of who am I and what's my tribe?

0:42:020:42:06

Who am I and how do I identify myself

0:42:060:42:08

is less an important question than how do we work together.

0:42:080:42:13

I thought about it at the time of Obama's election.

0:42:130:42:17

I thought I had internalised a sense that it must be

0:42:170:42:21

very, very difficult to grow up with a parent from one country

0:42:210:42:27

and one race, and a parent from another one.

0:42:270:42:30

And thinking about Obama, it made me think that's probably

0:42:300:42:34

a much more stimulating way to grow up.

0:42:340:42:36

And the more you think about it, especially with

0:42:360:42:39

the movement of Europeans into the UK in the last ten years,

0:42:390:42:44

the sense that there are so many people who are living in different

0:42:440:42:47

countries than their families, that there is more of a sense of,

0:42:470:42:51

yeah, we're all mixed up - but what are we going to do about it?

0:42:510:42:54

Clearly the referendum polarises at one level because it asks

0:42:540:42:59

a very simple question - yes or no - and clearly there are people with

0:42:590:43:03

fixed views on that and people whose views are much more fluid.

0:43:030:43:07

Are you sensing that it's pulling people apart in the same way or not?

0:43:070:43:12

In Scotland? I think what it has brought out is the Scots' tendency

0:43:120:43:17

to not be good at having conversations and to attack.

0:43:170:43:20

I keep hearing from people who've put themselves above the parapet

0:43:200:43:23

and started to have discussions about this on Twitter,

0:43:230:43:27

in the media, and there is such a lot of aggressive,

0:43:270:43:30

anonymous trolling and attacking of people.

0:43:300:43:33

And people have had death threats just for raising it on

0:43:330:43:38

comedy programmes in the UK, raising the issue.

0:43:380:43:40

That seems to be the worst thing about the referendum at the moment,

0:43:400:43:43

people's fear of speaking out,

0:43:430:43:45

that there have been such a lot of aggression around it.

0:43:450:43:49

Let's be cooler and let's learn to have conversations

0:43:490:43:52

where we disagree about things.

0:43:520:43:54

I can see Annie's point about how tribalism can cause conflict,

0:43:590:44:03

but surely there's a place for identity in art?

0:44:030:44:07

MUSIC: "New Paths to Helicon Pt 1" by Mogwai

0:44:070:44:10

Glasgow-based group Mogwai - Scotland's self-styled Guitar Army -

0:44:140:44:19

are one of the most consistently creative bands

0:44:190:44:22

Scotland has ever produced.

0:44:220:44:24

Is Scottishness, whatever that is,

0:44:260:44:29

more important as a defining thing than subcultural stuff

0:44:290:44:34

like the history of rock music or the history of music itself?

0:44:340:44:37

I think it comes up in little ways.

0:44:380:44:41

I think that sometimes only when you leave Scotland do you realise how

0:44:410:44:46

Scottish you are, or you realise how defining certain traits are.

0:44:460:44:51

I think that there is something about Scottishness that is very...

0:44:510:44:57

I think humble is maybe too strong a word, but it is very...

0:44:570:45:00

Yeah, it's certainly not, we're certainly not the kind of folk

0:45:020:45:05

to shout from the rooftops.

0:45:050:45:07

I think that when people kind of either intellectually analyse

0:45:070:45:11

your music or make grand claims for it, there's a slight kind

0:45:110:45:14

of embarrassment within the Scottish culture that says,

0:45:140:45:17

"Oh, I don't want to be seen to be showboating

0:45:170:45:19

"or kind of baw-bagging or whatever."

0:45:190:45:22

Sheena Easton, Eastoning.

0:45:220:45:25

-They should maybe bring this word into the dictionary.

-Exactly, yeah.

0:45:250:45:28

Mogwai operate on an international stage and recently contributed

0:45:330:45:38

to the soundtrack of the eerie French drama The Returned.

0:45:380:45:42

Are you increasingly, in your mind,

0:45:450:45:47

a global citizen more than a Scottish citizen?

0:45:470:45:49

Well, I'm not even a Scottish citizen at the moment.

0:45:510:45:54

THEY LAUGH

0:45:540:45:57

I think it's important for culture to spread out as far as possible

0:45:570:46:02

and connect with people as far as possible.

0:46:020:46:05

Yeah, we've always had a great connection with France.

0:46:050:46:07

I think it was one of the first places

0:46:070:46:09

where people took us seriously.

0:46:090:46:10

I think, for a long time, when we started we were young,

0:46:100:46:14

but people took our youth as a sign of daftness

0:46:140:46:18

and thought we were just wee daft boys, which we were.

0:46:180:46:20

But we were wee daft boys making quite serious music.

0:46:200:46:23

And it was people in France that were the first to take it

0:46:230:46:28

quite seriously, I think.

0:46:280:46:30

Of course, Britishness has its own wee way of coming through too -

0:46:330:46:38

and that means ties to art and culture

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that will play a part in the referendum as well.

0:46:400:46:43

Culturally, my two big loves are music and comedy.

0:46:460:46:49

And I've always seen there being a wonderfully wealthy tradition

0:46:490:46:56

of both of those things, in a British sense.

0:46:560:46:59

In a Scottish sense, as well.

0:46:590:47:01

But when I think of all of the things that I like, when

0:47:010:47:04

I think of the comedy that I adore, it's Monty Python,

0:47:040:47:09

it's coming up through Graham Linehan and the IT Crowd

0:47:090:47:12

and stuff like that.

0:47:120:47:14

It's like Father Ted, which is Irish, which is slightly different,

0:47:140:47:17

through to Chris Morris' stuff, Kenny Everett, The Two Ronnies.

0:47:170:47:22

And then I think of the way that the comedy...

0:47:220:47:25

Britain thankfully doesn't have an empire any more

0:47:250:47:28

but it does kind of have an empire in terms of punching above its weight

0:47:280:47:32

in exporting comedians and music to America.

0:47:320:47:34

And that makes me immensely proud to be British.

0:47:340:47:37

And I don't want to be divorced from that.

0:47:370:47:39

Although the referendum is not about voting for the end of comedy,

0:47:460:47:50

many Scots feel strong connections to Britishness

0:47:500:47:53

through things like that, more than, say, through monarchy.

0:47:530:47:57

There may even be a few out there that find Penelope Keith funny

0:47:570:48:01

and so cherish things the way they are.

0:48:010:48:03

In an opulent corner of Belgravia, that is for ever Scotland,

0:48:060:48:12

I met up with Scottish emigre Hugo Rifkind.

0:48:120:48:16

When you come across the debates about the independence referendum

0:48:160:48:20

in Scotland, what are your immediate emotional feelings

0:48:200:48:23

about it, rather than rational political feelings?

0:48:230:48:26

What emotionally do you feel?

0:48:260:48:28

In a strange way, I feel two things at once.

0:48:280:48:30

Partly I feel a bit like I have no place commenting.

0:48:300:48:35

Because if I wanted to have...

0:48:350:48:37

I ought to feel as if I wanted to have a say in

0:48:370:48:40

Scotland's future, I should have stayed in Scotland.

0:48:400:48:42

And the fact that I didn't, I feel that I've slightly sacrificed that.

0:48:420:48:45

So I find it hard to get too angry about the fact that

0:48:450:48:47

I don't have a vote, for example.

0:48:470:48:49

But at the same time, there's a sort of fear and resentment.

0:48:490:48:52

I feel like it threatens to take something away from me,

0:48:520:48:55

it threatens to make me a foreigner where I now live.

0:48:550:48:59

I consider my experience living in London, having made a home

0:48:590:49:04

in London, I don't feel like a kind of arriviste Irishman or Australian.

0:49:040:49:08

This is mine, this is my country.

0:49:080:49:10

I've merely moved to a different bit of my country.

0:49:100:49:12

And I slightly resent the notion of being told that that's in fact

0:49:120:49:16

not what's happened by somebody else.

0:49:160:49:18

And that goes further than ideas of citizenship or passports

0:49:180:49:24

because under the white paper,

0:49:240:49:26

the Scottish Government's white paper, you would hold Scottish

0:49:260:49:30

citizenship through a number of different definitions of that.

0:49:300:49:33

I would hold Scottish citizenship, absolutely, but I would

0:49:330:49:36

become a different nationality from my daughters, for example.

0:49:360:49:40

Or at least, not quite a different nationality, but I would...

0:49:400:49:42

I don't know quite how else to say it but this is mine,

0:49:420:49:45

I come to London and it's mine. It's the capital of my country.

0:49:450:49:49

It's the county that my ancestors moved to.

0:49:490:49:52

And to be told that my ancestors didn't move to that country but

0:49:520:49:55

they moved to a different country and it's me, I'm the immigrant.

0:49:550:49:58

It's not really how my identity works.

0:49:580:50:01

I confess that my own identity has a homing instinct.

0:50:150:50:20

This is where I grew up.

0:50:200:50:22

It's a millions miles from Belgravia

0:50:220:50:24

and the sense of Britishness that Hugo Rifkind feels is under threat.

0:50:240:50:29

To me, this is home.

0:50:290:50:31

This is the back streets of Letham in Perth where I grew up.

0:50:320:50:35

A typical working-class housing scheme.

0:50:350:50:37

And over the years, it was a place that people aspired to live in.

0:50:370:50:41

My mother and father came here.

0:50:410:50:43

He was an Irish Scot, she was English. They met during the war.

0:50:430:50:47

The war for them was clearly something that mattered.

0:50:470:50:49

It brought them together with a purpose -

0:50:490:50:52

the idea of Britishness.

0:50:520:50:54

But as I grew up and got older, I began to realise that Britishness

0:50:540:50:58

didn't matter quite so much to me and my generation.

0:50:580:51:01

In lots of ways, Britishness seemed as if it was in decline.

0:51:010:51:04

TRUMPET PLAYS

0:51:040:51:07

This film captures the flickering images

0:51:140:51:17

of the Empire Exhibition in Glasgow in 1938.

0:51:170:51:21

It talks of the Scots as North Britons,

0:51:210:51:24

bound by an umbilical chord to industry, empire and war.

0:51:240:51:29

BAGPIPES AND EXPLOSIONS

0:51:290:51:33

Today they are the same race of whom, nearly 500 years ago,

0:51:340:51:38

the historian Holinshed spoke:

0:51:380:51:41

"Thereunto, we find them to be courageous and hardy,

0:51:410:51:45

"offering themselves often unto the uttermost perils

0:51:450:51:48

"with great assurance, so that a man may pronounce nothing to be over-hard

0:51:480:51:53

"or past their power to perform."

0:51:530:51:56

Although it's dead and gone for me,

0:52:020:52:05

this feeling of Britishness is not a thing of the past for others.

0:52:050:52:10

70, 70, 80, 80...

0:52:100:52:12

Here at Stirling Mart, the cattle could be sold as

0:52:140:52:17

Best of British or Scotch Beef.

0:52:170:52:21

And many of their owners admit to a dual identity that's a bit of both.

0:52:210:52:25

I would say Scottish and British.

0:52:260:52:28

Is it Scottish first and then British?

0:52:290:52:32

Well, yeah, I live in Scotland, so I am a Scot.

0:52:320:52:34

But I am British.

0:52:350:52:37

Being British is...

0:52:380:52:40

The only reason I'm British is because my passport says I'm British.

0:52:400:52:44

I am quite pleased to be part of the Union, while at the same time,

0:52:450:52:50

I love my county. I very much see myself as Scottish.

0:52:500:52:54

But I do indeed see myself as British as well.

0:52:540:52:56

So Britishness is real and palpable for some

0:52:590:53:02

and my rush to confine it to the past is not universally shared.

0:53:020:53:06

Some are deeply committed to keeping Britishness in their everyday lives.

0:53:060:53:10

Whether Scotland goes independent or not,

0:53:140:53:17

I would like to retain a cultural sense of Britishness.

0:53:170:53:20

Not in the old-fashioned style of the empire,

0:53:200:53:23

and the British bulldog and the St George's flag.

0:53:230:53:25

I mean...

0:53:250:53:27

Like I mentioned... I'll give you a good example of this.

0:53:270:53:31

I feel very much at home in Manchester and Liverpool

0:53:310:53:34

and, actually, Birmingham. These are towns I feel at home in.

0:53:340:53:37

I find, especially in Manchester,

0:53:370:53:38

it's almost like another Glasgow to me. Feels very similar.

0:53:380:53:42

I don't have the same feeling when I go to London.

0:53:420:53:44

And I know that when a lot of Scottish people say

0:53:440:53:46

they hate the English, they don't. They don't hate the English.

0:53:460:53:49

They hate the Southeast, they don't hate the English.

0:53:490:53:52

And interestingly, London is kind of hiving away as its own entity anyway.

0:53:520:53:57

So I would not like to lose links with towns like Manchester

0:53:570:54:01

and Liverpool cos I feel quite strongly...

0:54:010:54:03

There's an argument that you could rebuild Hadrian's Wall

0:54:030:54:06

maybe round about...I don't know...

0:54:060:54:09

Leamington Spa - somewhere round about there.

0:54:090:54:11

I don't want Coventry, I'm not bothered.

0:54:110:54:13

SIREN WAILS

0:54:130:54:15

This is about the loose ends,

0:54:150:54:17

ties that bind the disparate threads together.

0:54:170:54:20

800,000 people born in Scotland live in the rest of the UK

0:54:200:54:24

and are border-hoppers.

0:54:240:54:26

Vast numbers of my friends have worked for a time in England,

0:54:280:54:32

some have settled in England and gone back.

0:54:320:54:35

My peer group is border-hopping.

0:54:350:54:39

It feels a bit like an independent Scotland would

0:54:390:54:43

deny me that identity, would tell me I had to make a choice

0:54:430:54:47

about what I was.

0:54:470:54:49

About whether I was a Scot in England or whether I ought to, I don't know,

0:54:490:54:53

pass the Tebbit test and become an Englishman in England.

0:54:530:54:56

Which is not something I have any desire to do. Yeah.

0:54:560:54:58

One place where the history of Scotland and Britain remain

0:55:000:55:03

inextricably linked is less than a mile away

0:55:030:55:06

from where I live in Glasgow.

0:55:060:55:09

The headquarters of the Orange Order in Scotland

0:55:090:55:12

is not a place I frequent that often.

0:55:120:55:15

But that may say more about my contemporary prejudices

0:55:150:55:18

than the Orange Order's settled values.

0:55:180:55:20

If I'm so quick to advocate cultural diversity,

0:55:220:55:26

the splendour of difference,

0:55:260:55:28

does it extend a hand to an unambiguously British culture?

0:55:280:55:33

If you're looking to find people who are comfortable

0:55:330:55:35

in their skin about being

0:55:350:55:36

both British and Scottish, you've found us.

0:55:360:55:38

Because the Orange Order, I guess, would be something

0:55:380:55:42

that you would think about.

0:55:420:55:44

And I think it's one of the strengths of the Union that

0:55:440:55:47

the individuality of the four countries that comprise it

0:55:470:55:50

has always been encouraged, and has always been there.

0:55:500:55:53

We've always been proud to be Scots or Welsh or Northern Irish

0:55:530:55:56

-or English and yet, also, proud to be British.

-Yeah.

0:55:560:55:59

I've got several of these tartan ties.

0:55:590:56:01

I've got two kilts with all the trimmings.

0:56:010:56:04

I can quote from some Burns. I bristle, like every other Scot,

0:56:040:56:08

at every English insult, real or imagined.

0:56:080:56:11

So that makes me thoroughly Scots,

0:56:110:56:13

probably more Scots than Sean Connery, shall I say?

0:56:130:56:15

But it doesn't make me any less British.

0:56:150:56:18

I am very, very proud to be Scots but very intensely proud to be British.

0:56:180:56:22

And I don't see the distinction.

0:56:220:56:23

Ian Wilson is not alone in having this dual and co-existing identity.

0:56:270:56:32

Evidence suggests that co-existing feelings

0:56:320:56:35

and dual-identities of both Scottishness and Britishness

0:56:350:56:39

provide an important battle ground in the referendum.

0:56:390:56:42

Because, in a sense, virtually everyone in Scotland

0:56:440:56:46

feels strongly Scottish.

0:56:460:56:48

But Scotland clearly, at the moment, is a nation

0:56:480:56:51

which is divided about the merits of independence,

0:56:510:56:53

it follows that there must be a lot of people with a strong sense

0:56:530:56:56

of Scottish identity who are, at the moment, not following that up.

0:56:560:56:59

They are saying to themselves, "Look, it isn't just about whether or not

0:56:590:57:04

"I feel Scottish and I want my country to become an independent state,

0:57:040:57:08

"it's also about that I also feel British.

0:57:080:57:10

"I feel some affinity with the rest of the UK

0:57:100:57:13

"and do I want to let that go?"

0:57:130:57:15

And I think probably that the yes side,

0:57:150:57:18

to be able to win this referendum,

0:57:180:57:20

actually one of their key tasks is to persuade people who have at least

0:57:200:57:24

a modest sense of British identity, you can afford to let it go.

0:57:240:57:28

TRADITIONAL DANCE MUSIC

0:57:280:57:31

I started by saying there are over five million ways of being a Scot,

0:57:310:57:36

but one recurring pattern in the diverse quilt of identity

0:57:360:57:40

is that sense of Britishness that still exerts influence.

0:57:400:57:43

So here's the paradox - I set off on a journey to discover

0:57:540:57:57

the many different versions of Scottishness.

0:57:570:57:59

And on the way, discovered the concentric circles of identity

0:57:590:58:02

and thread of Britishness that runs through it.

0:58:020:58:05

It has faded for some, disappeared for others,

0:58:050:58:09

but for other people it's very much alive.

0:58:090:58:12

And that may well shape the outcome of the referendum.

0:58:120:58:15

One thing is absolutely certain,

0:58:150:58:18

Scotland's population is rising for the first time in centuries.

0:58:180:58:23

And that may take us on a very big journey indeed

0:58:230:58:27

to six million different versions of being Scottish.

0:58:270:58:30

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