The Turbulent Priest


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This programme contains scenes which some viewers may find upsetting.

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Father Brian D'Arcy is one of the best known Catholic priests

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in the UK and Ireland.

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'May you have fun and happiness, and although you won't need it,'

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may the wind be always at your back.

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Watch out, the Pope, if you're listening, -

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I'm telling you, Father Brian is on your tail!

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He's also one of the most controversial.

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In a 50-year career as a broadcaster and columnist

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in one of Ireland's biggest-selling tabloids, the Sunday World,

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he's repeatedly questioned the Church on many issues.

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Why does Rome think it can provide the answer,

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when we know it is part of the problem?

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But now, Rome has had enough of such dissent.

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The Vatican has officially censured Brian.

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He must stay on message or be dismissed from the priesthood.

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To be treated as some sort of deviant

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is, frankly, the most insulting

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and devastating thing that has ever happened me.

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Brian D'Arcy faces the biggest dilemma of his life -

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continue to speak out and risk expulsion, or toe the Vatican line.

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Is the price of being a priest that you stay quiet,

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that you don't be a whistle blower?

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The price of dying a priest is that...

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you don't...speak the truth?

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Good morning, cows.

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Hello, are you doing well?

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I have to get the church open as usual for the people to come,

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one of my normal duties here.

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For the past 12 years,

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Brian's been in charge of the Graan, a monastery in Fermanagh.

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He belongs to a religious order called the Passionists,

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which means he doesn't have a parish.

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But he's on call for people in search of spiritual help

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at key moments in their lives, big and small.

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Be with you now.

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You wanted something for a car, did you?

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We're off to bless a car.

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The lady here has a nice car, to be blessed.

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How are you?

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What sort of car is it?

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A Jetta.

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Oh, a Jetta! A lovely looking Jetta. We'll do the wee blessing here.

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Keep them safe on the roads.

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May they never be hurt. May they never hurt others.

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Father, Son and Holy spirit, amen.

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-You go to England to buy her?

-No, just in Skea.

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-Oh, you bought it in Skea.

-I've been searching for a while now

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-so I saw it and I thought, "That's the one."

-That's the one.

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Well, more power to your elbow.

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-It's a lovely car. Diesel, is she?

-Yeah, yeah, 1.9.

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1.9, oh, good.

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My daughter, Joanne.

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-She's really pregnant.

-Oh, right.

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Over nine months pregnant, so she is heavily pregnant,

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OK, come on ahead, this way here.

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When are you due?

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I was due on Sunday.

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-Oh, God, we'd better do a good blessing here, eh?

-Yes.

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For the past 50 years,

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Brian D'Arcy has made the needs of ordinary people his priority.

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Hello, how are you? Good.

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If those walls could talk,

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then you'll hear what the real Catholic Church is about.

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What's actually the glue that is keeping the Catholic Church

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together are the decent priests on the ground doing ordinary things

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every day of the week, and without that, you know,

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the whole thing would have disintegrated long ago.

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But actually, as long as you have that,

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it doesn't matter all that much about the upper echelons,

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as long as they leave us alone to get on with our work.

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Yes, I'm looking for... Can I order four boxes of your altar wine?

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He's brought this ethos of listening and talking to ordinary Catholics

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into the public arena through his writing and journalism.

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But one Sunday World article has nearly cost him his job.

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In a double page spread,

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Brian criticised some of the Church's core beliefs.

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"If we were serious, passing on real power to committed believers,

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"there would be an end to compulsory celibacy,

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"accepting that there should be a discussion about women priests,

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"gay people who want to live a spiritual life..."

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In the same article, he also criticised

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Rome's handling of the clerical sex abuse scandal.

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"Institutions protect themselves at all costs.

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"Individuals and victims were, and still are, disposable."

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After the article was published,

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Brian was contacted by the head of his order.

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I got a phone call from my Provincial.

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He said he'd like to meet me, not in the Graan.

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So, I said, "Oh, that's unusual, Pat,"

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and he said, "Yeah."

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So, he said, "We'll meet halfway, quietly in a car park."

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And the sweat broke out on me.

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Brian's superiors were sent

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a strongly worded letter by the Vatican.

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It accused the Sunday World article

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of causing scandal and confusion to the faithful.

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I just can't understand why the Vatican is suddenly worried

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about what I'm writing in the Sunday World.

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It sets a real doubt in my mind as to where the Church,

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as an organisation, is going.

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If Brian is to toe the Vatican line, every controversial article

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or broadcast should first be cleared by an official church censor.

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This lack of journalistic freedom has forced Brian to question

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whether he can remain a priest.

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For the past year,

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Brian has wrestled privately with his dilemma.

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How are you, Mary?

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Jesus, I'm a bit broken this evening.

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But news of his censure has been leaked to the worldwide media.

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It's caused a frenzy of activity in the Graan.

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Every institution eventually becomes irrelevant,

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and as it becomes irrelevant, it becomes more fundamentalist.

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And as it becomes more fundamentalist,

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it becomes more and more disconnected from what it was about.

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And, you know, its own fundamentalism is the seeds of its own destruction.

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All hell broke loose today about 12 o'clock.

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The girls have been taking down notes from all sorts of people -

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Today FM are looking for me, Belfast Telegraph,

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Gerry McArdle of RTE, Irish Daily Mail.

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And then there's a nice wee one - "Joan from County Antrim

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"rang to say she's so upset, and wants you to know

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"that she will be praying for you."

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So, I obviously won't be able to get to any of those this evening

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because my first duty is to go out and say Mass,

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since I'm still a priest in good standing - for this evening, anyway.

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I wonder you're here tonight at all, to listen to a heretic!

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In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, amen.

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Sorry for interrupting you. Can I say something

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on behalf of everybody here and everybody for many miles around?

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You're integrity, you're truth and you're inspiration.

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I think all of us just want to say, we're with you.

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Oh, God love you.

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APPLAUSE

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Oh, Betsy, how are you? God love you.

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I'm so, so sorry.

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You don't deserve this.

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We're OK. We'll get through it, don't worry.

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I know you will, but you shouldn't have to.

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Brian's relieved he has the backing of his congregation.

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But he's wary of how his Church peers will react.

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He's heading to a meeting with the rest of his order.

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It'll be the first time he's had to face most of them

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since he was censured.

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Many of my peers see me as an absolute failure.

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People will say, "He's not a safe pair of hands if the Vatican don't like him."

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Because I'm not the kind of priest

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any clerical structure wants a priest to be.

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I had the choice of being a priest's priest or a people's priest.

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And sadly, the difficulty is,

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you cannot be both in the present Church.

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And I'm not usually sad, I really am not usually sad.

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But I'm pathetically sad at the moment.

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I could go in there and everybody will shake hands with me

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and say, "How are you Brian, how are you keeping?

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"Manchester United lost, you must be down about that,

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"Fermanagh's not doing that well," but nobody will say to you,

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"How does it feel to be such an outcast of the church you've given your life to?"

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The stakes are high.

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The order will decide whether Brian can stay in his job

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at the Graan for another four years.

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He has no say in their decision.

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His worst fear is that he'll be reassigned

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and banished to a remote outpost.

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It's pretty difficult to ask a man of my age to change

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where I live - to pack my bags, cut my traces, cut my roots,

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cut my family, go somewhere else

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and try to found and get the same enthusiasm for a congregation again.

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Brian will have to wait three months to learn of his next posting.

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So I'm looking into stormy waters and no way out.

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He'll use the time to contemplate his options.

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When things are getting really bad, I tend to come up here.

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I just sit for a little while

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and go back to the innocent altar boy that was up there.

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Growing up in Fermanagh,

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Brian's life was defined by the Catholic Church.

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This is the source of all my faith. So it sort of grounds me.

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But he didn't always see his future as a priest.

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I was 15, maybe, before the priest said to me,

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"I think you should be a priest" which was quite a shock to me

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because I did not think I should be a priest, at all,

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and didn't think I had anything in my life that could...

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That was good enough to be a priest. And I probably still don't, really.

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At that time, Brian was struggling with a dark secret.

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He says that, when he was ten,

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a religious brother at his primary school sexually abused him.

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A lot of your emotional level stays at the age you were abused.

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And that was a secret to me when somebody pointed that out to me.

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And therefore I began to see in myself that this was

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a very immature guy acting things out.

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Looking for attention.

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Allowing yourself to be ruled by the whims

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of somebody else outside you - which is exactly what abuse is.

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The abuse didn't end there.

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When Brian was training for the priesthood,

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he says he was abused again - this time by a member of his own order.

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I later became a Superior of the monastery,

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and when he was dying he sent for me and asked me to do his funeral.

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And told me what to preach.

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How did you do it?

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I did it because I was able to do it.

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Why? You didn't have to.

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I did, because I was Superior.

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Did he still have that hold over you?

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Mm-hm. Mm-hm.

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I think he had.

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You're afraid the secret will destroy you.

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Until you realise, "Hey, I've nothing to be afraid of,

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"I've nothing to be ashamed of."

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And, you know, I can say that clearly now and that is it,

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and it's the same when the Vatican came after me,

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I could say, "Well, I've nothing to be ashamed of."

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"I didn't do anything wrong."

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I'm not being angry, I'm not shouting,

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but I'm saying, "Hold on a minute, I have a dignity here,"

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And that's me overcoming abuse.

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I just can't understand how you went on to be a priest.

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Well, here I am...

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..50 years later.

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How are you all doing?

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That's great.

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And how's yourself? You're still saying the wee prayers?

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That's good. Nice to see you there.

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See you again, all right? Take care. Bye-bye.

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Brian's had a long association with the Graan.

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All the best, Peter.

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50 years ago, he walked into the monastery for the first time,

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an unworldly, raw recruit.

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At just 17 years old, he said goodbye to life on the outside world

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to become a Passionist monk.

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This is the very room where I spent most of my year.

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Oooh.

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It's a lot different.

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There's a softness in that, but the time - my time -

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it was pitch pine floors and you had leather-soled leather sandals,

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so every move you made could be heard and monitored.

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It was almost like whatever is about you that's your natural personality

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should disappear and you should look to higher things,

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become more godlike and less human.

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So, therefore, you began to get this impression of yourself that

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you were kind of worthless, really,

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and you should be grateful for being in here.

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It was a kind of gift that you should be grateful for,

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rather than something that you should relish, choose, celebrate.

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The spirituality of the time was pray, pay, obey.

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You did what the parish priest told you.

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If you didn't, you were wrong, you were a sinner.

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You had no rights.

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You were to beat yourself very hard on your bare bottom,

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praying, saying five Our Fathers, five Hail Marys

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and five Glory Be to the Fathers. Slowly - not fast.

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So that you gave yourself a good walloping,

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to kill the flesh, kill the world.

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You were very malleable, you were idealistic.

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You were the perfect material for cults to work on.

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The world Brian had left behind

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was on the cusp of radical social change.

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The swinging '60s were dawning.

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Even the Catholic Church was part of this movement.

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A month after he joined the Passionists

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came a momentous event in Rome.

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"October 11th 1962, a historic moment.

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"The opening session of the second Vatican Council."

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The conservative Church of Brian's youth

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was opening up to the modern world.

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The Latin Mass was translated into English,

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altar rails were removed, and priests were encouraged

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to step down from their lofty pulpits and listen to the laity.

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For the past 50 years, Brian has embraced

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this spirit of openness with every fibre of his being.

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His efforts to reach out to people - in all their guises -

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have led him to some surprising places,

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not least the showbiz circuit.

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I don't want to do it too often.

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Unlike most clerics, Brian D'Arcy's just as at home

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in the world of entertainment as he is in a church.

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-Tom, how are you?

-Father Brian, how are you?

-Good to see you.

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Hello, Frank. How are you?

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I heard you got censured by the top man.

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If you write anything, I'll make sure it goes to the right place!

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His early forays into journalism

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blossomed into a ministry extending well beyond the monastery gates,

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into dance halls and concert arenas.

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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

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A regular on the chat show circuit,

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Brian wasn't afraid to parade himself in the name of populism.

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Not a bad pair of legs, Brian!

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Not a bad pair of legs at all! How about that?

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APPLAUSE

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And you turn up here with a hole in your tights!

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It's the first time I've even touched a pair of tights,

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never mind putting them on!

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LAUGHTER

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But what's made Brian loved by the public

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has seen him loathed by some other priests,

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especially because of an unprecedented clash

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with the head of the Irish Church on live television.

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Thank you for coming. Do sit down.

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Brian was in the audience the night Cardinal Cathal Daly appeared

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on a chat show to discuss early revelations about child sex abuse.

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It's an old cliche that, after a bishop is ordained...

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-SHOUTS OF "SHAME!"

-Sorry, sorry, sorry...

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I don't think what you've said is fair, Cardinal Daly.

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At the end of the day, the Church is perceived as heavy-handed

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and out of date and lacking in compassion.

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Now why is that? And We can't dismiss it just because...

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APPLAUSE

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Don't dismiss the whole thing because there are some...

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No, I'm not dismissing it, Cardinal, that's precisely the point...

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I know you're not, don't dismiss the whole clergy.

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-Nor am I dismissing the whole clergy.

-There are some who are working very hard...

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Nor am I, but they have been let down.

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'The phone calls were furious.'

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'Terrible phone calls from priests all over the country,

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'saying I'd let down the Church, I'd been a disgrace.'

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It gave me a great lesson on the power of the clerical club,

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which I've never forgotten.

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It was something that defined a lot of what I am ever since.

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I would not be, and am not, liked by priests.

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Brian feels he is an isolated voice in Ireland.

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But around the world there are priests calling for liberal reform.

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He's on his way to Austria, where a 400-strong union of priests

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has also incurred the wrath of the Vatican.

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Pope Benedict targeted the Austrians

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because they've encouraged their union members to lobby actively

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for the reform of some of the Church's core teachings.

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Brian's on his way to meet the priest leading this call to disobedience.

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Helmut Schuller has paid a heavy price for his dissidence -

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demoted from a senior post in the Austrian Church,

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he now works as a parish priest outside Vienna.

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He remains defiant.

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At no moment I thought to leave, because it's my Church.

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I want this Church to move, to change, to find renewal,

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to find reform, and I have a lot of friends in this Church.

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I don't want to leave it.

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Do you ever waken at night, as I do,

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and say, "Am I being more divisive...

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"than I should be?"

0:22:230:22:25

It's a real danger, but I think the real schism

0:22:250:22:30

is between the hierarchy and the people of the Church.

0:22:300:22:34

The vast majority of the people will not find what

0:22:340:22:37

they are looking for in these churches where such priests

0:22:370:22:41

are preaching the old-fashioned Roman Catholic Church of 1871 or so.

0:22:410:22:47

And I think that that is the production of a schism.

0:22:480:22:52

And this schism is risked, not by us,

0:22:540:22:58

but by those who are not really openly listening to the people.

0:22:580:23:03

There's times I'm lost, I don't know where to go and what to do.

0:23:030:23:06

Some people tell me, "Keep quiet, keep under the radar, keep going on."

0:23:060:23:12

Others say, "Why waste your life running your head against a stone wall?"

0:23:120:23:17

Others say, "For God's sake, speak up, be a man,

0:23:170:23:20

"do what you've always done."

0:23:200:23:22

I think the last possibility is the only one.

0:23:230:23:27

You have to stand up and to speak,

0:23:270:23:28

because, as I have heard in Ireland and Great Britain,

0:23:280:23:32

your voice is very important for a lot of people.

0:23:320:23:35

Let me say first that I decided in 2006 not to go on alone,

0:23:360:23:41

because up to this time I was also alone.

0:23:410:23:46

I was invited in television, in talk shows for Church questions.

0:23:460:23:51

And after, I was phoned by a lot of priests the next day,

0:23:510:23:55

and then I thought I should not go on alone,

0:23:550:23:58

I should build up a network, I should invite other priests,

0:23:580:24:02

so we do it together.

0:24:020:24:04

And then I decided with my friends to make this,

0:24:040:24:08

to build up this assembly we have now.

0:24:080:24:12

They will try to divide us,

0:24:120:24:14

we should try to come together and to build up this network.

0:24:140:24:19

We are not asking, we are not begging,

0:24:190:24:21

we are beginning, and the reality is growing.

0:24:210:24:25

-And the reality becomes the seed of a new Church?

-Yeah.

0:24:250:24:29

While Brian appreciates Helmut's advice about safety in numbers,

0:24:320:24:37

he's all too aware of his own limitations.

0:24:370:24:41

'You have to be brave in life. He's very brave.'

0:24:440:24:47

'I wouldn't be a Helmut Schuller in Ireland,

0:24:490:24:51

'because I wouldn't have the confidence of priests.'

0:24:510:24:54

I'm a full-blown lone ranger a lot of the time,

0:24:550:24:59

simply because of my experiences

0:24:590:25:02

and because of the nature of my work up to now.

0:25:020:25:05

He's not a lone ranger.

0:25:050:25:07

There was strength in the support he gets from other priests.

0:25:070:25:11

Brian realises he must go it alone.

0:25:180:25:21

But he wonders whether the Institutional Church in Ireland could be open to change.

0:25:280:25:32

To test the mood,

0:25:340:25:36

he's in Dublin for the International Eucharistic Congress.

0:25:360:25:40

-Brian.

-How are you? How are you keeping?

-Good to see you.

0:25:420:25:45

-Nice to see you, too. How's the farm?

-Good.

-That's good.

0:25:450:25:48

65,000 Catholics have travelled from all corners of the world

0:25:480:25:52

to celebrate their faith together.

0:25:520:25:55

The current head of the Irish Church, Cardinal Sean Brady,

0:26:000:26:04

is using this platform as a chance to rebuild trust.

0:26:040:26:07

I want to take this opportunity of the 50th International Eucharistic Congress

0:26:090:26:13

to apologise for the times when some of us were blind

0:26:130:26:18

to your fear, deaf to your cries, and silent in response to your pain.

0:26:180:26:24

When I heard there was going to be a Eucharistic Congress,

0:26:270:26:30

I wasn't that happy about it because I really thought it was

0:26:300:26:32

a plan to draw a line under the abuse crisis.

0:26:320:26:35

And I didn't like that, I just thought that's not the way to do it,

0:26:350:26:40

cos we're not the ones to draw a line under the abuse crisis,

0:26:400:26:43

it's the survivors.

0:26:430:26:45

-GG.

-GG, a few steps down and on to the fourth seat on the right.

0:26:470:26:52

Right, lovely, good man.

0:26:520:26:54

Brian wants to experience for himself

0:26:540:26:58

the model of Church on show at the final event in Croke Park.

0:26:580:27:02

This is extremely clerical.

0:27:030:27:05

It's very much an institutionalised version of religion,

0:27:050:27:08

but it's not where I'm at home.

0:27:080:27:11

Priests at the top, all in white.

0:27:110:27:14

Laity down at the back and other places - as usual.

0:27:140:27:18

Let's listen to the people,

0:27:180:27:22

and let's build from the ground up, rather than from the Vatican down.

0:27:220:27:26

But the Vatican is playing to a much bigger gallery beyond the UK and Ireland.

0:27:290:27:33

There are 1.2 billion Catholics worldwide.

0:27:330:27:37

The biggest growth areas are Africa and Asia,

0:27:370:27:40

where there's little appetite for Brian D'Arcy's brand of Western liberalism.

0:27:400:27:44

If you look to Africa and Asia, people there, generally speaking,

0:27:460:27:51

are more orthodox, and that's where the Church is growing.

0:27:510:27:54

If the Church is increasingly African or Asian,

0:27:540:27:57

their agendas will set our agendas.

0:27:570:28:00

Sarah MacDonald writes for the international Catholic newspaper, The Tablet.

0:28:000:28:06

Do you think the Catholic Church in the Western world can survive?

0:28:060:28:12

Yes, yes, but I think that in order for Catholicism to...

0:28:120:28:18

reanimate itself and the wider world,

0:28:180:28:21

it has to take some sort of a shift back to setting out its parameters,

0:28:210:28:25

setting out its stall, setting out its identity.

0:28:250:28:29

The fact of the matter is, your hope for the way the Church

0:28:300:28:34

would be renewed in the '60s has actually just led

0:28:340:28:36

to a collapse in religious life.

0:28:360:28:39

The Church was so accommodating on some issues,

0:28:390:28:42

that nobody was really sure what it was teaching at all.

0:28:420:28:45

But people who are coming from a liberal perspective

0:28:450:28:49

need to recognise that there is a shift.

0:28:490:28:51

Those who are from their late teens up to their mid twenties,

0:28:510:28:55

the most radical thing they can do amongst their peers

0:28:550:28:59

is cleave to something that is structured,

0:28:590:29:01

that gives a sense of community and is orthodox.

0:29:010:29:04

They would see you as representing an ageing, disgruntled minority.

0:29:040:29:10

But you've a role to temper the move towards ultra-conservatism

0:29:140:29:19

within the Church, so engaging in debate and dialogue,

0:29:190:29:23

that's where you definitely have a role to play.

0:29:230:29:26

Engaging with the Vatican, engaging with the hierarchy here in Ireland.

0:29:260:29:30

Since the child sex abuse scandal broke,

0:29:320:29:34

Brian has repeatedly criticised the Irish hierarchy.

0:29:340:29:39

Most recently, he questioned whether Cardinal Brady should resign,

0:29:390:29:43

following allegations he'd personally mishandled

0:29:430:29:47

a complaint about a paedophile priest.

0:29:470:29:50

Now Brian wonders whether the Irish hierarchy

0:29:520:29:54

will wish to engage with him.

0:29:540:29:56

Many of them would consider me an enemy of the Church now,

0:29:560:30:02

and if they did, it would be very difficult to remain a priest.

0:30:020:30:06

Keen to extend an olive branch, he's writing a personal letter to Cardinal Brady.

0:30:090:30:13

I would like a conversation about the future shape of the Catholic Church in Ireland,

0:30:160:30:21

especially after the Eucharistic Congress.

0:30:210:30:25

How can the Catholic Church speak with integrity to the Western world?

0:30:250:30:30

Has the Church nothing to say to that group of people?

0:30:300:30:34

Rather instead to the growing,

0:30:340:30:37

not fully developed communities of the Third World?

0:30:370:30:41

The worst case scenario is that we allow them

0:30:440:30:48

to impose this legalistic Church again.

0:30:480:30:52

Look what happened - tat's what led to abuse.

0:30:520:30:55

The abuse of children, the abuse of power,

0:30:550:30:58

the abuse of the Church itself.

0:30:580:31:01

The danger is that the Cardinal will endorse the Vatican censure,

0:31:040:31:08

pushing Brian D'Arcy even further out on a limb.

0:31:080:31:11

So he's decided to tackle the traditional mind-set head on.

0:31:130:31:16

'The Church's job is to move the world.

0:31:190:31:22

'The Church doesn't move with the world.'

0:31:220:31:25

He's meeting Father Brian McKevitt,

0:31:250:31:28

editor of a conservative Catholic newspaper.

0:31:280:31:32

I feel very afraid when I read some of the things you write,

0:31:330:31:37

because I think, "That's very harsh!"

0:31:370:31:40

But Brian, when you write in The Sunday World,

0:31:400:31:43

you're there as Father Brian D'Arcy.

0:31:430:31:45

So you're there as a priest.

0:31:450:31:48

If I speak or write as a priest, then I am, in some way,

0:31:480:31:53

a representative of the Church, and I've got to be faithful to that.

0:31:530:31:58

-Otherwise, I'm abusing my power, my position.

-Not necessarily.

0:31:580:32:01

I don't think I'm abusing my power as a priest,

0:32:010:32:06

and never, certainly, would do that.

0:32:060:32:10

What I try to do is give a voice to the people with...

0:32:100:32:15

with, eh, reasonableness and encouragement when necessary,

0:32:150:32:20

and disagreement when sometimes necessary,

0:32:200:32:23

but we're mature adults with a conversation,

0:32:230:32:26

we're not talking about the nitty-gritty

0:32:260:32:28

of infallible doctrine here, we're talking about people's lives.

0:32:280:32:31

A lot of what you write is kind of a candyfloss spirituality.

0:32:310:32:37

It looks attractive, but when you actually bite into it,

0:32:370:32:41

that...

0:32:410:32:43

there's kind of an absence of substance,

0:32:430:32:47

and an absence of nourishment.

0:32:470:32:49

I think that's the point. Do I...?

0:32:490:32:52

Would you know my audience better than me?

0:32:520:32:56

-And you're not my audience. Do you understand what I mean?

-Yeah.

0:32:560:33:00

A man with degrees in theology, Dominican, editor of a paper

0:33:020:33:07

and he has all the opportunities he wants

0:33:070:33:10

to have all the theology he wants.

0:33:100:33:13

I'm not thinking of you when I'm writing in the Sunday World.

0:33:130:33:17

I'm writing for people who have lost contact with,

0:33:170:33:20

often, any Church at all,

0:33:200:33:23

and certainly have a difficult relationship with the Church.

0:33:230:33:28

Yeah, what I'm saying is, are you providing it?

0:33:280:33:33

The impression I got from reading the articles was there was

0:33:330:33:38

a kind of negativity towards the authorities in the Church.

0:33:380:33:43

I would say, yes,

0:33:430:33:46

I've been fairly negative to a lot of what has gone on

0:33:460:33:49

-in the last 15 years.

-Mm-hmm.

0:33:490:33:50

But, if you go out to the road and ask somebody

0:33:520:33:54

how they view the leadership of the Church in the last 15 years,

0:33:540:33:58

they would say it has not been very inspiring - shouldn't I learn from that?

0:33:580:34:02

I can certainly see so many faults in the Church,

0:34:020:34:05

and it drives me crazy at times,

0:34:050:34:07

but I'm not going to try and kind of feed that to other people.

0:34:070:34:12

I want them to love the Church, despite her sinfulness.

0:34:120:34:17

Now, the Church, I think, is entitled,

0:34:170:34:21

with you or with me, to say that you must give

0:34:210:34:24

the authentic teaching of the Church.

0:34:240:34:28

That you must, to the best of your ability, try and communicate that,

0:34:280:34:32

and certainly that you must not in any way undermine that.

0:34:320:34:36

I knew he wasn't hearing anything I was saying, or appreciating it.

0:34:420:34:47

Or my point of view at all.

0:34:470:34:49

And I found that just kind of a dialogue of the deaf.

0:34:490:34:53

I've no problem with him calling me candyfloss.

0:34:560:34:59

That's his view.

0:34:590:35:01

I know it's not the view of the vast majority of readers,

0:35:010:35:04

who find a different form of spirituality there

0:35:040:35:08

which is just as real as his.

0:35:080:35:10

-I just want a couple of Mass cards.

-Certainly, no problem.

0:35:200:35:24

For the dead, is it?

0:35:240:35:26

I want a couple for the dead, but I don't know who for yet.

0:35:260:35:29

-I know, but to have them, is it?

-To have them, yes.

-Yes, of course.

0:35:290:35:32

That's a good idea to have them in the house.

0:35:320:35:34

Brian's on his way to officiate

0:35:370:35:39

at the wedding of a young Fermanagh couple.

0:35:390:35:42

They've requested him specifically.

0:35:420:35:44

In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, amen.

0:35:500:35:53

I always like to begin the journey with a prayer.

0:35:530:35:57

Recently, somebody said, "Would you leave to get married now?"

0:35:570:36:00

And of course, how would you leave to get married at 67 years of age?

0:36:000:36:04

Come on, Jesus, I'm not that stupid.

0:36:040:36:06

Who'd have you at 67?!

0:36:080:36:10

Some nurse, maybe, to wheel you around in a wheelchair

0:36:120:36:15

is about all you'd get at my age.

0:36:150:36:17

But a worse thing struck me, actually. Or a more shocking thing.

0:36:200:36:25

That, after a life of celibacy, I would be incapable of loving.

0:36:250:36:28

The whole principle of celibacy is that it's supposed to free you to love more.

0:36:300:36:34

I'm not sure that I've seen that in many places, actually.

0:36:380:36:43

HE LAUGHS

0:36:490:36:51

-How are you, how are you?

-Not too bad.

0:36:510:36:53

How are you, lads? God, you clean up well!

0:36:530:36:55

-How are you, Marco? How are you doing?

-Not so bad.

-You're looking great.

0:36:550:36:58

There's some seats at the front.

0:36:580:37:00

Now, if you're nervous or anything, don't worry - there's no collection.

0:37:000:37:04

LAUGHTER

0:37:040:37:05

But if you'd like, there's a few wee seats at the front here

0:37:050:37:09

if you'd like to come up to them.

0:37:090:37:11

When you dress up, you might as well show off.

0:37:110:37:13

-Well, Josie.

-How are you, Father?

0:37:160:37:19

-You look gorgeous.

-Thank you.

0:37:190:37:21

-She's on the way, is she?

-She's there.

0:37:210:37:24

Oh, she's there? That's great.

0:37:240:37:25

Now, she's just about to start off now.

0:37:270:37:30

And she's a vision.

0:37:300:37:32

An absolute vision. Don't look now, don't look now!

0:37:320:37:35

HE LAUGHS

0:37:350:37:37

You can look if you want to, I don't mind.

0:37:380:37:40

I feel very nervous and insecure

0:37:410:37:44

and not at all confident about speaking at a wedding.

0:37:440:37:47

And the reason is because I'm an old bachelor.

0:37:470:37:50

So, Grace and Malcolm would say, "God, I hope he's not going to tell us about marriage

0:37:500:37:54

"if he hadn't even the guts to do it himself."

0:37:540:37:57

Well, as I say, the Pope's still alive.

0:37:570:38:00

And an old bachelor's what I'll be!

0:38:020:38:03

And at this stage, anyway, who'd take me?

0:38:050:38:08

'I would have been a much better priest, had I married.

0:38:090:38:12

'I think it would have been that whole thing of sharing your life with somebody else.'

0:38:120:38:16

And that whole thing of making sacrifices for somebody else.

0:38:160:38:21

And also that idea of a companion,

0:38:210:38:26

a closeness, friends, somewhere to call home.

0:38:260:38:28

-Have you ever been in love?

-Yes, I've been in love.

0:38:300:38:33

'I did think I would get married.

0:38:330:38:36

'I never broke my vows.'

0:38:360:38:37

Both of us knew there was nothing wrong with it,

0:38:370:38:42

you know, that it wasn't just a sexual attraction,

0:38:420:38:46

that it was much beyond that, and both of us knew

0:38:460:38:49

that we could have been holy and good people and been married.

0:38:490:38:53

And I suppose that's the only anger.

0:38:540:38:57

That's why I suppose I do get passionate about the idea

0:38:570:39:00

that a priest does not need to be single to be a priest.

0:39:000:39:04

'I shouldn't have had to make the choice.'

0:39:040:39:06

No family deserves a day better...

0:39:060:39:08

'If the option to be married was there,'

0:39:080:39:12

it would be a far more credible Church.

0:39:120:39:14

This is a miracle of life that I never really understand -

0:39:150:39:19

that somebody can find somebody that they love.

0:39:190:39:22

Of all the thousands, millions, billions in the world,

0:39:220:39:25

seven billion people in the world,

0:39:250:39:27

well, I wouldn't expect Malcolm

0:39:270:39:29

to have gone through all seven billion of them.

0:39:290:39:31

Grace probably did.

0:39:310:39:33

LAUGHTER

0:39:330:39:35

But anyway, isn't it great that the one Malcolm fell totally in love with

0:39:360:39:42

was actually the one who fell totally in love with him?

0:39:420:39:46

Ask any single person who doesn't want to be single

0:39:520:39:56

what it's like...

0:39:560:39:57

..and you're a nobody in the world, for a start...

0:39:580:40:01

Um, you have no place, really, you can call your own,

0:40:030:40:08

you've no friendship you can call your own.

0:40:080:40:12

You've given your life to everybody else,

0:40:150:40:18

and find that you have no life at all at the end of it.

0:40:180:40:21

|Where is home?

0:40:240:40:26

At the end of my life, I don't have a home.

0:40:330:40:37

There's no place I can call home.

0:40:370:40:39

Ideally, religious life is supposed to be a kind of home - it isn't.

0:40:420:40:47

Not now, anyway.

0:40:470:40:48

Brian's no closer to resolving his dilemma,

0:41:000:41:03

and there's still no news about his next posting.

0:41:030:41:06

His weeks of contemplation have strengthened the sense

0:41:070:41:10

that he's swimming against a global tide

0:41:100:41:13

and deepened his feeling of isolation.

0:41:130:41:16

He's seeking counsel from an old friend.

0:41:230:41:25

Hello. How are you? You're more than welcome.

0:41:260:41:29

-Good to see you.

-Thanks for doing this.

0:41:290:41:32

Not at all. My pleasure.

0:41:320:41:34

-Come in.

-I really appreciate it, Frank.

0:41:340:41:36

The actor Frank Kelly, better known to some as Father Jack.

0:41:360:41:40

It's the media that's the real enemy.

0:41:410:41:44

Of all the unearthly, unspiritual pleasures!

0:41:440:41:47

HE SHOUTS INCOMPREHENSIBLY

0:41:470:41:49

Ecumenical...! Yes!

0:41:490:41:52

How right you are, Father! How right you are!

0:41:530:41:56

We have to straighten out the media.

0:41:560:42:00

That's the important thing, Father!

0:42:000:42:03

And we have to do it...

0:42:030:42:05

Now!

0:42:060:42:08

HE SCREAMS ANGRILY

0:42:080:42:10

Did you ever find anything in your life

0:42:120:42:15

that was pulling you a little bit away

0:42:150:42:17

from being a practising Catholic, as you are,

0:42:170:42:20

and at the same time sending it up in a very public way?

0:42:200:42:25

No, I've been in satire all my life.

0:42:250:42:29

There is no difficulty for me between my spirituality

0:42:290:42:32

and my religion and satire.

0:42:320:42:34

There was a time when the assumption was that all priests

0:42:350:42:39

were very wise and very highly educated.

0:42:390:42:41

I grew up in that atmosphere.

0:42:410:42:44

But, still, my parents gave me a feeling

0:42:440:42:48

that you shouldn't be afraid.

0:42:480:42:51

That you should be liberated by faith, rather than intimidated.

0:42:510:42:56

-Talking to you now, I don't feel I'm talking to a priest.

-Yes.

0:42:560:42:59

You're a man who happens to be a priest.

0:42:590:43:01

There's no Roman collar floating in the air over your head.

0:43:010:43:05

Priesthood isn't a thing in inverted commas running around on your shoulder.

0:43:050:43:09

It's got to be you.

0:43:100:43:12

In humility you have to say,

0:43:120:43:15

"Maybe I was wrong, maybe I am wrong."

0:43:150:43:18

I stay awake at nights wondering about it.

0:43:180:43:20

It's a situation, after 50 years in religious life,

0:43:200:43:24

somebody says that I'm not really a reliable priest.

0:43:240:43:28

What do you think, as a lay person in the middle of all that?

0:43:280:43:30

I think one of the biggest problems facing the Church is that

0:43:300:43:35

if it is going to be undemocratic,

0:43:350:43:37

how is it going to continue living on in democracies,

0:43:370:43:39

where the average citizen is becoming more and more educated?

0:43:390:43:43

They're not as bulliable as they were.

0:43:440:43:46

Is so much of the repression and oppression from the Church bullying?

0:43:460:43:49

Is that a good name for it?

0:43:490:43:51

Well, if you don't know who your accuser is,

0:43:520:43:56

and you don't really know a defined nature of your misdeed,

0:43:560:44:00

and how long you're going to be left in limbo,

0:44:000:44:04

and whether you're going to be transferred,

0:44:040:44:07

or what the nature of your life is going to be,

0:44:070:44:09

and you're a grown, intelligent man

0:44:090:44:11

who's never been at odds with the Church before, you're being bullied!

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What the hell else are you being but bullied? That's bullying.

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Anybody who says otherwise doesn't know what bullying is.

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I'm saying - the cheek of me! Who the hell am I to say it?

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Well, you're the best known priest in Ireland!

0:44:270:44:31

And have been for some time!

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I suppose both Frank and myself would,

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in different ways, be in show business

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and therefore we're looked upon as lightweights because of that.

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And both of us can be light hearted

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and be lightweights when it's necessary.

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But it's almost like the clown

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being the serious thinker behind the happy dress.

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I love the way Frank spoke from his heart.

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No acting, no sham.

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Just a real man on a journey.

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And if I can be that...

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..God, it'll be a good gift to myself, whatever about anybody else.

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Be real.

0:45:260:45:27

Forget the sham, just be real.

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Name in lights.

0:45:420:45:44

Josephine, how are you?

0:46:080:46:10

Father Brian here, and I'm just going to give you a little blessing.

0:46:110:46:16

Don't worry about anything.

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I'll do all the talking and all the praying.

0:46:200:46:23

Give Josephine strength and peace of mind.

0:46:240:46:29

In the name of the Father...

0:46:290:46:30

That's lovely, Father...

0:46:300:46:33

..Son, Holy Spirit, amen.

0:46:340:46:38

And I absolve you, Josephine, from all the sins of your whole life.

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In the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, amen.

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May all from which you suffer cease and trouble you no more.

0:46:520:46:55

That's all right, Josephine, don't worry.

0:46:570:47:00

God, the wee woman, she was lovely.

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She's as peaceful as anything.

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She's ready to meet the Lord,

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and you could see she tried to bless herself

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to lift the wee hand with all the wee strength.

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Every time I sit down by the side of a bed, say a few prayers,

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they see it as the presence of God coming to bless them.

0:47:260:47:29

That's worth more to me than all the high-powered theologians

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and ministers and papal documents and everything else.

0:47:330:47:37

That's what gives me the greatest thrill as a priest.

0:47:390:47:42

Brian wants to canvass one final opinion

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about his future as a priest,

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and it's taken him to Weston-Super-Mare

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in south-west England.

0:48:050:48:08

Well, Mick!

0:48:090:48:11

-My old friend, how are you?

-Good to see you!

0:48:110:48:13

-It's great to see you.

-Welcome to Weston-Super-Mare.

0:48:130:48:15

God, I'm sorry for imposing this on you at this hour of the morning.

0:48:150:48:18

Do not be anxious, do not be anxious.

0:48:180:48:20

-How are you?

-I'm well.

0:48:200:48:22

Brian D'Arcy and Michael Carroll

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studied together and were ordained on the same day.

0:48:270:48:30

But after ten years, Michael left the priesthood.

0:48:310:48:35

Ah, my darling Cathy, how are you?

0:48:380:48:40

Oh, welcome!

0:48:400:48:42

It's lovely to see you. What a lovely place you have here.

0:48:420:48:45

Aren't we lucky?

0:48:450:48:46

This is your husband, Michael!

0:48:460:48:48

(HE LAUGHS)

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You can see why we took a long time choosing it, too.

0:48:530:48:56

It was worth it.

0:48:560:48:58

It's worth spending time on something you expect

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to spend the rest of your life in, and this was our intention -

0:49:000:49:03

to find a place that we would go out of in a box, hopefully.

0:49:030:49:07

I suppose that's what I miss, is a home.

0:49:070:49:09

This is a home.

0:49:090:49:11

I suddenly realise that I would never think

0:49:110:49:14

of settling anywhere permanently.

0:49:140:49:16

-Well, it's not the way you think, it's not the way your life is.

-Yeah.

0:49:160:49:20

You're ready for moving now, aren't you?

0:49:200:49:22

I'm ready for moving now,

0:49:220:49:24

and I'm not sure that I'm ready for moving, but I'll have to move.

0:49:240:49:27

-Whether you're ready or not...

-Precisely.

0:49:270:49:30

...it could be the order from above.

0:49:300:49:32

All of a sudden I realise this is a home,

0:49:320:49:35

this is exactly what I don't have.

0:49:350:49:37

With so much doubt in his own mind,

0:49:420:49:44

Brian now wants to find out exactly what it was

0:49:440:49:47

that convinced Michael to quit.

0:49:470:49:50

I wish I was as slim now!

0:49:500:49:52

HE LAUGHS

0:49:520:49:54

You know, I used to often think,

0:49:560:49:59

why is Michael choosing one route,

0:49:590:50:03

and I'm choosing another route?

0:50:030:50:05

Now, looking back, I say to myself, "Was I right? Was I wrong?"

0:50:050:50:10

How do you choose a life?

0:50:100:50:13

It was only when I was ordained and got into the real world

0:50:130:50:16

that two things happened to me.

0:50:160:50:19

I started thinking and I started feeling.

0:50:190:50:21

And the second one was the disaster!

0:50:210:50:24

HE LAUGHS

0:50:240:50:26

Or the lifesaver!

0:50:260:50:28

The second one was the disaster or the lifesaver!

0:50:280:50:31

I was dying emotionally in there.

0:50:310:50:34

I got a sense that if I stayed here

0:50:340:50:36

and didn't sort this out, that it would destroy me.

0:50:360:50:40

It would destroy me.

0:50:400:50:41

The price I have to pay to be a priest

0:50:460:50:49

is becoming almost unbearable.

0:50:490:50:51

It seems to me what you're facing at this stage

0:50:510:50:54

is this crisis of authenticity.

0:50:540:50:57

What's the price I pay to remain within this organisation?

0:50:570:51:02

A lot of which I don't agree with and don't see with -

0:51:020:51:05

some of it minor, some of it major?

0:51:050:51:08

But you've got to do something internally, I believe, to yourself,

0:51:080:51:12

to be able to live in that, with a way that says,

0:51:120:51:15

"I'm living in a horrible organisation -

0:51:150:51:19

"or a dysfunctional organisation - authentically."

0:51:190:51:22

Yeah, that's it. That's exactly it.

0:51:240:51:27

Is that possible? Because, you see...

0:51:270:51:30

I've said that answer to myself, what you're after saying.

0:51:300:51:34

I'm trying to be authentic...

0:51:340:51:36

..humanly as you possibly can be,

0:51:370:51:39

in a situation that is obviously dysfunctional.

0:51:390:51:43

You have to build some sort of immense barrier,

0:51:430:51:47

or what I'd call a deflector shield for yourself that says,

0:51:470:51:50

"I can't listen to you any more, I just can't.

0:51:500:51:54

"You do my head in," you know?

0:51:540:51:57

"So talk all you want and send all the letters you want

0:51:570:52:00

"and censor all you want- I may comply or I may not comply.

0:52:000:52:04

"And until you kick me out...

0:52:040:52:07

"So I'm not going to move.

0:52:070:52:09

"Until you kick me out, I'm staying here."

0:52:090:52:12

-"I'm still doing the work I'm doing."

-"And doing the work I'm doing."

0:52:120:52:16

I don't hear the people saying "Brian D'Arcy, go," do you?

0:52:160:52:19

No, quite the opposite, it's the people...

0:52:190:52:22

If I have a reason for staying, it's the people.

0:52:220:52:24

So there's your answer.

0:52:240:52:26

I think what Michael was saying, knowing me for 50 years,

0:52:380:52:42

"You should be a priest.

0:52:420:52:44

"Even if they put you out, still be a priest."

0:52:440:52:47

That's a hell of a statement for me, going home tonight.

0:52:470:52:51

Back home, Brian's received a personal letter

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from the head of the Irish Church.

0:53:110:53:13

Cardinal Brady has responded to many of his queries.

0:53:150:53:18

I'd asked him, did he expect it would turn out as broken up

0:53:190:53:23

and disjointed as it has, end like this?

0:53:230:53:26

He says not really, but the answer, then, on reflection,

0:53:260:53:30

"One should not expect life on this earth to be trouble free."

0:53:300:53:35

Reading Sean's letter,

0:53:350:53:37

you can see that he's struggling, and that's a good thing.

0:53:370:53:42

He's wondering, like I am myself, constantly,

0:53:420:53:48

if it was all worth it, after 50 years of a lifetime service to the Church.

0:53:480:53:54

I think there's, as I often find in my own writing, a loneliness.

0:53:560:54:00

And I detected the loneliness in that.

0:54:000:54:02

Kind of an exile, kind of a sense of failure,

0:54:020:54:05

kind of a sense of, "I didn't do the job that I should have done."

0:54:050:54:08

The Cardinal does set out a list of things the Church can do -

0:54:100:54:14

looking after the poor, celebrating rites of passage,

0:54:140:54:18

being an ethical voice, and upholding heritage.

0:54:180:54:21

The Cardinal also thinks there's a positive role for Brian to play.

0:54:220:54:26

"Share our reflections with people in our preaching

0:54:280:54:31

"to give them the give of acceptance and patience."

0:54:310:54:35

He's saying to me, "I think that's your role -

0:54:350:54:38

"to encourage patience and suffering

0:54:380:54:40

"and to encourage people to reflect in a patient way,

0:54:400:54:44

"and come to terms with suffering."

0:54:440:54:47

He specifically says that the way I use the media,

0:54:470:54:50

I am well placed and well gifted to make a contribution

0:54:500:54:54

to the future of the Church, and there should be a place for me.

0:54:540:55:00

And that's the first time that has happened to me in my lifetime.

0:55:000:55:05

Brian has finally come to a decision about his future in the Church.

0:55:170:55:22

I am going to remain a priest.

0:55:240:55:26

I am going to speak the truth in a more prudent way.

0:55:260:55:30

But it will still be the truth,

0:55:300:55:34

because I am not going to remain a priest and be silent.

0:55:340:55:37

In his latest Sunday World column, as a statement of intent,

0:55:390:55:43

he's chosen to write about an influential Vatican insider

0:55:430:55:46

who vehemently criticised the Church from his deathbed.

0:55:460:55:50

"Cardinal Martini feared the bureaucrats who have, quote,

0:55:520:55:55

"'killed the spirit of renewal in the Church.'

0:55:550:55:59

"A brave leader who gave his life to the Church.

0:55:590:56:03

"I, and others like me, cannot be silenced by fear.

0:56:030:56:06

"I must be inspired by Cardinal Martini's final, despairing plea

0:56:060:56:11

"for the transformation of the Church."

0:56:110:56:14

Brian is determined to speak his mind,

0:56:160:56:20

whatever the consequences.

0:56:200:56:22

Let's cut out all this theological poppycock.

0:56:230:56:29

Call what's wrong, wrong. Name it.

0:56:290:56:33

There's news about Brian's next posting.

0:56:450:56:48

At last he knows what his future holds.

0:56:550:56:57

Now he's preparing to share that news with his congregation.

0:57:020:57:06

Well, to take you out of suspense and myself out of suspense,

0:57:090:57:14

I have some good news and some bad news.

0:57:140:57:17

They're both the same news.

0:57:180:57:19

But for good or for bad,

0:57:200:57:23

I have been re-appointed to the Graan as rector for the next four years.

0:57:230:57:27

You're gluttons for punishment.

0:57:330:57:35

LAUGHTER

0:57:350:57:37

This is probably the only place I do belong, in this congregation.

0:57:370:57:42

It was a weight lifted off my shoulders.

0:57:420:57:44

The fellas that you had spent your life with at long last

0:57:460:57:49

had said whose side they were on.

0:57:490:57:51

At least I think I'll have a home for another four years where I'll feel at home.

0:57:530:57:57

By the time I finish this I'll be 71, if I do finish it.

0:57:580:58:02

I've no idea what'll happen in that time.

0:58:020:58:05

If I live to 71, I'll be the first man in my family to live to be 71.

0:58:060:58:10

My father died at 70, my brother died at 70.

0:58:110:58:14

I don't know what that means,

0:58:140:58:17

but sure, if you thought about that, you'd just do nothing.

0:58:170:58:20

So you get up and do your best every day,

0:58:200:58:23

and that's what it's all about.

0:58:230:58:26

Did I give hope more than despair?

0:58:260:58:28

Did I give life more than death?

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Leave the rest to God.

0:58:320:58:34

Feck it, enjoy it.

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