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PRAYING | 0:00:03 | 0:00:06 | |
The Jewish Passover festival remembers the Israelites | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
escaping slavery in ancient Egypt | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
and all the times when Jews have faced persecution since. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:15 | |
Most Jewish people do see things | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
through a particular historical lens. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:20 | |
They're aware that there have always been threats | 0:00:20 | 0:00:23 | |
and that those threats haven't necessarily gone away. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:26 | |
Despite the horrors of history, | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
hate against Jews is rising again in Europe. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
In France, many Jews are leaving the country. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
We are afraid. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:39 | |
I'm afraid of now, more than maybe ten years before. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:44 | |
I think there's a sense amongst the Jewish community as well | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
that this may well be, you know, we may be at the beginning of something much worse. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:51 | |
Some synagogues in London have been transformed by French arrivals. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:57 | |
The country where Jews are killed is France. | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
It's not the UK. And it's a major difference. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
I think Britain's a really fantastic place to be Jewish | 0:01:03 | 0:01:07 | |
and, by and large, we feel very comfortable here. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:11 | |
But it's only ever one attack away from being really quite bad. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:14 | |
More than 70 years after the Holocaust, | 0:01:15 | 0:01:18 | |
Jews are asking again whether they can be safe in Europe. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:22 | |
The other day I was aware and I heard two men, big, | 0:01:42 | 0:01:46 | |
and saying that they are fed up with Jews | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
and because of the Jews, ta ta ta ta, ta ta ta. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
And I wanted to stand up and say "shut up", | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
which I would have done ten years ago, that's right. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
And I...didn't do anything. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:00 | |
I was like that, with my heart beating. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
-Because, you know, no-one... -Yeah, no-one would help me, | 0:02:03 | 0:02:06 | |
but I felt awful because I didn't stand up. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:10 | |
Noemie and her mum Rachel have seen how anti-Semitism | 0:02:12 | 0:02:16 | |
has risen in France in the last decade. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:19 | |
It's, like, not every day, but, erm... | 0:02:22 | 0:02:26 | |
the Jew has to be burned | 0:02:26 | 0:02:28 | |
and, erm, these kind of things. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:30 | |
-I mean...to spit... -To spit. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:33 | |
In the past it happened from time to time. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:37 | |
Now it happens all the time. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
-I don't have any...espoir...? -Hope. -..hope any more. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
Honestly. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:45 | |
Acts of anti-Semitism in France have grown ten-fold in the past 15 years. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:59 | |
There's an atmosphere of anti-Semitism, | 0:03:03 | 0:03:05 | |
and this is translated very directly into, erm, | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
you know, slogans like Mort aux Juif - death to the Jews, | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
which has been appearing on walls and demonstrations and so on. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:14 | |
But the big thing I would say is that I've been coming to Paris since the 1980s | 0:03:14 | 0:03:18 | |
and the level of hostility that we have in Paris right now in 2016, | 0:03:18 | 0:03:21 | |
I've never known it to be so high. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:23 | |
It's not only about the number, | 0:03:23 | 0:03:25 | |
it's also about the level of violence, from threat to death, | 0:03:25 | 0:03:28 | |
because we are speaking now about death. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:30 | |
The Jewish community has a much longer experience | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
of living with hate than most Parisians. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:40 | |
Eight people have been killed across France in terrorist attacks | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
since 2012 because they were Jewish. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
Two days after the attack on the offices of Charlie Hebdo magazine | 0:03:53 | 0:03:57 | |
shocked France in 2015, another terrorist quietly walked into | 0:03:57 | 0:04:02 | |
a kosher supermarket, where Noemie's mum, Rachel, was known to shop. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:07 | |
I was at work, and I... I heard that someone... | 0:04:08 | 0:04:12 | |
something happened. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
And I just opened my computer and I recognised the store. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:22 | |
I remember it was a Friday, | 0:04:22 | 0:04:25 | |
-like, end of, erm... -The morning. -..the morning, | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
and I was thinking about my mum | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
because she was doing the shopping for Shabbat. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
And I remember the fear. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:37 | |
I mean it was...I was petrified. Petrified, literally. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:42 | |
GUNSHOTS | 0:04:43 | 0:04:45 | |
It was, I think, one of the worst moments in my life. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:51 | |
By the time armed police ended the siege, four people had been killed. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:56 | |
Noemie's mum hadn't been in the shop on that day, | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
yet the fear Noemie felt is still with her. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
Since what happened, honestly, something changed. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:07 | |
I'm always afraid to take the subway, | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
I'm always afraid even to walk in the street. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
I'm afraid for my future kids. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:20 | |
I don't want to... my kids live like this. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
Noemie will get married in France this year. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:27 | |
Bonjour. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:29 | |
Bonjour! Ca va? | 0:05:29 | 0:05:30 | |
But her future will not be in her home country. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
She will move to Israel with her husband-to-be after their wedding. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
I think I'm quite a... erm, brave person. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:42 | |
Erm...I'm not scared of a lot of things. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
But I don't want to... to live in this country. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:50 | |
All my father's family was killed because of anti-Semitism | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
in the war | 0:05:58 | 0:06:00 | |
and I'm the child of that generation after | 0:06:00 | 0:06:05 | |
so my heritage is... | 0:06:05 | 0:06:07 | |
no hope. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:09 | |
But I want to have hope in... | 0:06:10 | 0:06:13 | |
erm, erm... | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
humanity | 0:06:15 | 0:06:16 | |
and the human race | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
and in my country. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
I love France, | 0:06:21 | 0:06:22 | |
but it's getting really difficult | 0:06:22 | 0:06:26 | |
to keep hope. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:28 | |
The number of Jews leaving France for Israel | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
before anti-Semitism began to rise was 1,000. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:42 | |
In 2015, following the kosher supermarket attack, | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
the number leaving France for Israel was 8,000 - | 0:06:45 | 0:06:49 | |
the highest annual total on record. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
They're leaving for a lot of reasons | 0:06:54 | 0:06:56 | |
but a lot of them are to do with anti-Semitism and they're to do | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
with real fear of real persecution and real violence. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
I think there's a sense amongst the Jewish community as well | 0:07:02 | 0:07:06 | |
that this may well be, you know, we may be at the beginning of something much worse. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:10 | |
Jewish people are emigrating for work opportunities too. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:20 | |
PRAYING | 0:07:21 | 0:07:23 | |
One synagogue in London has been transformed by French arrivals. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:36 | |
On a Shabbat morning, on a Saturday morning, | 0:07:36 | 0:07:38 | |
we will probably see 100 to 120 people, plus, plus, plus. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
And, frankly, if you come late it's standing room only. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:44 | |
The first language is probably French. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
The second one may be English. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:53 | |
Third may be Hebrew. Fourth would be Arabic. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
And all of those things combine. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:58 | |
But this has become one of the most dynamic French communities. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:03 | |
There was only a handful of non-British worshippers here | 0:08:11 | 0:08:15 | |
a few years ago. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
Now it's 90% French. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:19 | |
I think the English people are more open. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
I feel very comfortable with... | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
to practice my Judaism in England. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:28 | |
It's the only country where the Jews were here | 0:08:29 | 0:08:33 | |
from 350 years. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:35 | |
I think, more than that. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:37 | |
You don't find something like this in the rest of Europe | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
because the Jews always need to move from a place to a place. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:43 | |
Most members of the synagogue came with a plan to return home. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:49 | |
Something has changed. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:51 | |
I'm now hearing my French friends talking | 0:08:51 | 0:08:55 | |
and that they're not going back to Paris | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
and that Paris doesn't look like... | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
the optimum place to be a Jew in Europe. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:05 | |
Many French Jews in London are planning to stay for good | 0:09:06 | 0:09:10 | |
because they know anti-Semitism has risen in France. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:13 | |
Like Raphael. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:15 | |
The country where Jews are killed is France. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:17 | |
It's not the UK. And it's a major difference. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
It's quite troubling, isn't it? | 0:09:20 | 0:09:22 | |
Most of the French Jews have a mixed feeling of anger and sadness. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:28 | |
Sadness for what France has become... | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
..and anger for... | 0:09:33 | 0:09:35 | |
..the successive governments who decided to turn a blind eye. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:40 | |
Who didn't really act against these anti-Semitic acts. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:44 | |
POLICE SIREN | 0:09:44 | 0:09:46 | |
Anti-Semitism in France has come historically from the Far Right. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:55 | |
Now, increasingly, victims report it is coming from a different group - | 0:09:55 | 0:10:00 | |
a small minority of French Muslims. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:03 | |
It's classical prejudice. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:05 | |
It's coming mainly from people who are French | 0:10:05 | 0:10:07 | |
but who are descendant of immigrant. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:09 | |
Erm, yes, and it's about harassment, it's about bullying. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:14 | |
It's about your own environment. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:16 | |
It's the people you see in your daily life, | 0:10:16 | 0:10:20 | |
and you have conflict with them. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:22 | |
At an individual level, it's very difficult to bear. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
The suburbs in Paris, also known as the banlieues, | 0:10:29 | 0:10:33 | |
are large estates beyond the ring road, | 0:10:33 | 0:10:35 | |
notorious for high crime and social problems. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:38 | |
It is religiously mixed with a substantial Muslim population. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:49 | |
If you look at, you know, the banlieues, | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
you've got a Muslim community that is separate from Paris | 0:10:52 | 0:10:56 | |
in terms of public transport, in terms of unemployment. | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
Actually, this is a very physical thing. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
-TRANSLATION: -When we talk about suburbs in France, | 0:11:02 | 0:11:04 | |
it means the people on the borders of society - that's what it means. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:08 | |
It's a population who is frail, precarious. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
GUNSHOTS | 0:11:12 | 0:11:14 | |
Riots broke out in Clichy-Sous-Bois in 2005. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:20 | |
A confrontation with police igniting frustrations. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:24 | |
Investment has come to Clichy since, | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
yet the economic and social problems persist. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:37 | |
-TRANSLATION: -Many apartments are dilapidated, unsanitary. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:43 | |
All these people, all these households, | 0:11:43 | 0:11:45 | |
don't have a stable situation. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:47 | |
It's the same thing with jobs. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
40% unemployment for people under 25. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:58 | |
It's in these neighbourhoods where we find these very high | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
unemployment rates, not anywhere else on the French territory. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
And it's a vicious cycle. No job means no cultural development, | 0:12:04 | 0:12:08 | |
no independence, no mobility. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
The isolation also affects you mentally. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
Because of these lack of opportunities, | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
religious identity takes on extra importance for some young Muslims. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:22 | |
Radical Islam offers you a way out. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:27 | |
And a lot of it is what I would call street Islam. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
They don't really speak Arabic but they'll pick up bits of Arabic slang. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:34 | |
They don't really understand Islamic theology. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
If you feel that you've got no identity, if you feel excluded | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
from society, and you're pushed out and you've got nowhere to go, | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
the only part of your identity that you might be able to hold on | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
is your religious identity. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:49 | |
Yet this religious identity is being threatened too | 0:12:49 | 0:12:53 | |
because in France, being a citizen must always trump faith | 0:12:53 | 0:12:57 | |
in the public sphere. | 0:12:57 | 0:12:59 | |
You've got to remember that one of the founding principles of | 0:12:59 | 0:13:02 | |
the French Republic as it stands right now is laicite, or secularism. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:06 | |
It's...it's not just a belief, it's also a law. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
And the way it plays out is that it's one size fits all - | 0:13:09 | 0:13:14 | |
liberte, egalite, fraternite, or else! | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
If you're somebody who's clutching to a fragmented identity | 0:13:18 | 0:13:22 | |
which has been channelled into this, kind of, Islamist persona, | 0:13:22 | 0:13:26 | |
that feels like it's a very deep attack on who you are. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
Muslim extremists recruiting in the suburbs in Paris and elsewhere, | 0:13:30 | 0:13:35 | |
often use derogatory passages about Jews from the Koran, | 0:13:35 | 0:13:39 | |
out of context most Muslims would say, | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
to further their own anti-Semitic ideology. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
The way some interpret passages from the Koran, erm... | 0:13:46 | 0:13:51 | |
and where they say that the Jews are the enemy, the Jews are pigs. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:55 | |
It's a conflation of various things. | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
It's a conflation of the Israel Palestine conflict, | 0:13:59 | 0:14:03 | |
but it's also a perception of that old historical shibboleth, | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
that old historical conspiracy theory, | 0:14:06 | 0:14:08 | |
that the Jews are the controlling elite of France. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
Obviously they're not, but they need someone to blame. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
It's easier to blame the other. It's easier to blame the Jew. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:18 | |
-TRANSLATION: -At some point in your life, when the only thing you've | 0:14:21 | 0:14:24 | |
heard is, "You suck, you suck", and somebody you meet, | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
someone important - a guru that tells you "No, you're beautiful. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
"You're not stupid. You're able." | 0:14:30 | 0:14:33 | |
And so he makes you feel like you have value, he's the only one | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
that believes in you, of course it's easier to fall down. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
The UK is not immune to these trends. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
We warn those governments who've entered this evil alliance | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
with America against the Islamic State to back off. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
British Muslim extremists have travelled to Syria | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
to fight for so-called Islamic state. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
Many more, including the British Far Right, | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
hold anti-Semitic beliefs. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:00 | |
Hate against Jews has tripled in the UK since 2000. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:08 | |
A schoolteacher in south London posted an image of Hitler online | 0:15:12 | 0:15:16 | |
that said that he understood why Hitler had killed Jews | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
but left some so he could see how bad they were. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:21 | |
A Metrolink tram in January in Manchester had to be taken out | 0:15:21 | 0:15:25 | |
of circulation after a swastika was daubed on its seat. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
A woman on the 102 bus in Golders Green in London | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
reported anti-Semitic abuse | 0:15:31 | 0:15:33 | |
with one passenger calling others f'ing Jews and disgusting Jews. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:38 | |
And a 14-year-old boy, also in February, was arrested in Hackney | 0:15:38 | 0:15:42 | |
after a group of youths attempted to place lit fireworks | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
in the pockets of Jewish pedestrians. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:47 | |
Yet most Jews in this country believe it is safer here | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
than in France. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
The situation in the UK isn't as bad as it is in France | 0:15:57 | 0:16:01 | |
or in much of mainland Europe, but it's still quite serious. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
A zero tolerance attitude needs to be taken towards anti-Semitism | 0:16:04 | 0:16:08 | |
because that will send a clear signal to those who are potentially | 0:16:08 | 0:16:12 | |
on the path towards becoming extremists, to those people | 0:16:12 | 0:16:16 | |
who might one day try to carry out attacks on Jewish people. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:20 | |
Work has long been done in the UK to tackle the conditions | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
that can breed anti-Semitism. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
For nearly 30 years, education about different religions | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
has been offered to all school children. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
The aim is to give an unbiased picture of other faiths | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
to improve understanding. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:40 | |
-What is she holding in her hand? -A bangle. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
This could not happen in France | 0:16:45 | 0:16:47 | |
because of the country's secular culture. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
One of the difficulties of secularism, or laicite, | 0:16:49 | 0:16:53 | |
is that interfaith work can't take place in schools, for example, | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
which is where a lot of the work should take place | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
in terms of dialogue, conversations and understanding the other. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
But people do know they come from different religious backgrounds, | 0:17:02 | 0:17:06 | |
so, in a sense, you can see that how not having that space | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
in which to communicate with other people from other faiths, | 0:17:09 | 0:17:12 | |
it creates the kind of tensions and the kind of negative space | 0:17:12 | 0:17:16 | |
in which radicalism takes place. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:18 | |
One city in the UK that has suffered from feelings | 0:17:21 | 0:17:25 | |
of community isolation is Bradford. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
The city has seen rioting in its recent history, | 0:17:29 | 0:17:33 | |
in 2001. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:34 | |
We had our resilience as a community tested on that day | 0:17:42 | 0:17:46 | |
and the aftermath of what happened | 0:17:46 | 0:17:49 | |
I think shocked Bradford and the community to its core. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:52 | |
Nobody realised that something could trigger... | 0:17:52 | 0:17:56 | |
something so small could trigger actually something quite huge. | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
The riots were sparked by a Far Right demonstration, | 0:18:00 | 0:18:04 | |
before battles broke out between the police and young men, | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
who identified as Muslim. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:09 | |
The Asian community and the Muslim community | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
felt that they were treated differently in any case | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
and felt that there was a level of discrimination. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
But what it did do was light a spark, really, | 0:18:18 | 0:18:21 | |
and create almost...or increase that sense of isolation | 0:18:21 | 0:18:25 | |
that was felt by the Muslim community. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
Since then, Bradford has worked hard to tackle feelings of isolation | 0:18:35 | 0:18:39 | |
and to promote understanding. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
Its inter-faith programme | 0:18:42 | 0:18:43 | |
is one of the most comprehensive in the country. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
When we are talking about those images, | 0:18:55 | 0:18:58 | |
we would say the word deity, | 0:18:58 | 0:19:00 | |
because that's what a Hindu person would call those images. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:05 | |
This is the first visit to a Hindu temple for most of this class, | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
which is majority Muslim. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
How many times do Hindus pray each time, a day? | 0:19:11 | 0:19:15 | |
Were you thinking of your own religion here? | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
How many times do you have to pray? | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
-Five. -Five times. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:23 | |
Now, Hindu people don't have a set times | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
to how many times they should pray in a day. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
They are learning, actually, about diversity. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
If we weren't able to do our job, | 0:19:33 | 0:19:36 | |
I think that will narrow people's understanding a lot more. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
They will be more in isolation, having no understanding | 0:19:39 | 0:19:43 | |
of each other's faiths, which are very important for us today. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:48 | |
And if we weren't doing this job, I don't know where Bradford would be. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:53 | |
Having grown up in Britain, | 0:19:54 | 0:19:56 | |
I've always been proud of the idea of multi-culturalism, | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
but I'm not sure that it's been entirely successful. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
I still think it's not a bad model and I do tend to think | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
the Muslim community in Britain is a lot more...key word - British. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:09 | |
I think they're more comfortable with this very fluid notion | 0:20:09 | 0:20:13 | |
of being British, whereas, in France, | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
it's a very fixed and constrained version of being French. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:19 | |
A foiled terrorist plot to attack Jews in 2012 | 0:20:22 | 0:20:26 | |
is a reminder that Britain has a long way to go | 0:20:26 | 0:20:29 | |
to tackle hate and radicalisation. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:31 | |
Yet there are many examples of people | 0:20:33 | 0:20:36 | |
determined to embrace other faiths. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:39 | |
Rudi Leavor is 89 | 0:20:42 | 0:20:45 | |
and has known the horrors of anti-Semitism for most of his life. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
Erm, several of my relatives were killed in Auschwitz | 0:20:49 | 0:20:53 | |
and other concentration camps. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:55 | |
This is one of them, called Evie, | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
of whom I was very fond. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:00 | |
And this is her son... | 0:21:02 | 0:21:06 | |
Dan, | 0:21:06 | 0:21:07 | |
who was murdered in Auschwitz aged four. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:11 | |
Rudi came to Bradford | 0:21:11 | 0:21:13 | |
with his family from Nazi Germany when he was 11. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
I think my earliest memories would be SA men | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
marching along the main road near our flat. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:23 | |
Erm, all marching along and singing. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:26 | |
I don't know what they were singing but they were pretty intimidating. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:30 | |
The Jewish community in Bradford was more than a thousand | 0:21:32 | 0:21:35 | |
when Rudi arrived. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:37 | |
One by one, the mills that had been working flat out for many decades | 0:21:37 | 0:21:42 | |
had to close down. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:43 | |
Quite a number of Jewish people emigrated from Bradford to London. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:48 | |
Jewish numbers in Bradford are now fewer than 300. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:52 | |
Two years ago, the city's last remaining synagogue | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
was threatened with closure because of lack of funds. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:59 | |
The roof was leaking and other repairs had to be done. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:04 | |
And we seriously thought of having to sell the building, | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
which I didn't want to do. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:10 | |
Then, by coincidence, I was approached by the owner | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
of a curry restaurant around the corner from the synagogue. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:17 | |
He knew various people in Bradford, one of whom, he said, | 0:22:17 | 0:22:22 | |
would donate a sizeable sum of money for repairing the roof. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:26 | |
After receiving the gift from a Muslim donor, | 0:22:26 | 0:22:30 | |
the synagogue asked Jani Rashid, a prominent Bradford Muslim, | 0:22:30 | 0:22:34 | |
to be co-opted onto its council | 0:22:34 | 0:22:36 | |
to increase links between their two faiths. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
It's believed to be the only example of this in Europe. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:43 | |
It took me aback, but, erm, | 0:22:44 | 0:22:46 | |
I have to say that it's very much an honour and a privilege, erm... | 0:22:46 | 0:22:52 | |
you know, to be asked to join this, you know, the Jewish Council, | 0:22:52 | 0:22:56 | |
because something like that is unheard of, isn't it, | 0:22:56 | 0:22:59 | |
in terms of having a non-Jew on the Jewish Council. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:03 | |
I don't know of any synagogue that has a Muslim on the council. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:06 | |
There are many examples in France too | 0:23:12 | 0:23:14 | |
of people determined to embrace other faiths. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
Lassana came to Paris from Mali when he was 15 | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
to live at first in this hostel for immigrants near the ring road. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:37 | |
-TRANSLATION: -When I was a kid, I went to the Koranic school. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:42 | |
They would talk to us about Christians. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
They would even talk to us about the Jewish religion. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:47 | |
What we were taught is to read the Koran, | 0:23:47 | 0:23:51 | |
to pray and respect other people. For me, that's the best thing. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:55 | |
Lassana found it tough to find work. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
-TRANSLATION: -I thought everything was easy. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:04 | |
When you come here you could easily find accommodation and work. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
Two days after arriving, I regretted it. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:14 | |
Eventually Lassana got a break at a Jewish store. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
-TRANSLATION: -The first Jew I met, I think, was in the shop. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:22 | |
I saw the way they pray, the food they have to eat. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
What they had to do and what they couldn't do. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:31 | |
Even the language, I started to speak it. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:33 | |
Quite a lot of people were surprised. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
I stayed with them for four years. I know a lot about their religion. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:40 | |
The shop Lassana worked at was the kosher supermarket attacked in 2015, | 0:24:42 | 0:24:47 | |
when four people were killed by a terrorist because they were Jewish. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:51 | |
-TRANSLATION: -The day of the attack at Hyper Cacher was a Friday, | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
Shabbat. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:00 | |
I was supposed to finish at 1pm in the shop to go to the mosque. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:07 | |
At 12.45pm, the terrorist arrived. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:11 | |
When he came, he couldn't tell who was who and he shot everybody. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:15 | |
I was still downstairs. I heard some gunshots. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
I could see customers coming down the stairs | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
and they were saying the terrorist had come into the shop. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:26 | |
Yes, it was fear. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:28 | |
Absolute fear. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:30 | |
In my head, I knew I was going to die. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:33 | |
Lassana hid with Jewish shoppers in a fridge, | 0:25:34 | 0:25:37 | |
before getting out of the building through a goods exit. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
What he told police about where the gunman and hostages were | 0:25:40 | 0:25:44 | |
allowed them to send in armed officers to end the siege, | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
which saved Jewish lives. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:49 | |
GUNSHOTS | 0:25:49 | 0:25:51 | |
SIRENS | 0:25:52 | 0:25:54 | |
-TRANSLATION: -For me, the terrorists who killed for Islam | 0:25:58 | 0:26:00 | |
got it completely wrong. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:02 | |
People who kill for Islam hurt all of us | 0:26:02 | 0:26:05 | |
because right now all they're doing is dishonouring all Muslims. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:09 | |
The Jews have had a very difficult history in Europe | 0:26:15 | 0:26:20 | |
and many of their festivals, like Passover, remember the times | 0:26:20 | 0:26:23 | |
when Jewish people have been persecuted over the centuries. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:27 | |
Anti-Semitism is one of the world's oldest hatreds, | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
dating back, unfortunately, thousands of years | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
and, whatever the context, people have found ways to blame the Jews. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:37 | |
The hope is, despite the worsening climate, | 0:26:40 | 0:26:44 | |
that Jews will have a long future in Europe | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
and that terrible acts aimed at the Jewish people | 0:26:47 | 0:26:50 | |
can never happen again. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:52 | |
I think Britain's a really fantastic place to be Jewish. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:56 | |
The British Jewish community's been established here | 0:26:56 | 0:26:58 | |
for hundreds of years now | 0:26:58 | 0:27:00 | |
and, by and large, we feel very comfortable here. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
We are both proud British citizens and also proud Jews. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
But that's not to say that there aren't concerns | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
and in the back of our minds we are wondering, | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
will there be an attack on one of our schools, | 0:27:12 | 0:27:14 | |
on one of our synagogues, on one of our community centres? | 0:27:14 | 0:27:17 | |
And that's disconcerting. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:18 | |
Can France actually throw off the shackles of its historical identity | 0:27:21 | 0:27:26 | |
and re-invent itself as a 21st century country? | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
And that means people of different faiths meeting together, different races mixing together. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:34 | |
It means investment. It means engagement with realities. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
And this is the really big thing, | 0:27:37 | 0:27:39 | |
it means re-thinking the French Constitution. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:41 | |
There are a lot of people my age who leave if their kids leave. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:48 | |
And a lot of young people leave too. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:52 | |
But not all of them. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:54 | |
There are a lot of people want to stay in France and fight this | 0:27:54 | 0:27:58 | |
because they love their country. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:00 | |
Who knows, maybe it's not too late. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:05 | |
I'm trying to fight my little fight to... | 0:28:05 | 0:28:11 | |
erm, bring more tolerance around me. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:14 | |
Other people do it. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:16 | |
Many teachers do it. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:18 | |
The government is trying to do something also. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:21 | |
But who knows if it's too late or not? | 0:28:21 | 0:28:24 |