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Chaplains are modern-day disciples. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:16 | |
-Ta-daa! -Yaaay! | 0:00:16 | 0:00:19 | |
Who would like chopsticks? | 0:00:20 | 0:00:22 | |
Excuse me, are you Jewish? | 0:00:22 | 0:00:23 | |
Have you got any Jewish pals here? | 0:00:23 | 0:00:25 | |
Salaam alaikum. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:26 | |
They take the word of God out of the church | 0:00:26 | 0:00:29 | |
and into the places we work and play. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:31 | |
When the wheels fall off, that's when people pray. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:36 | |
They're employed in our hospitals and universities, | 0:00:37 | 0:00:41 | |
at the football ground, on the street. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:44 | |
Tonight, keeping alive the memories of children who will never be forgotten. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:51 | |
We're all here for the same reason, every single one of us. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
So, we know we're not on our own. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
And the chaplain praying for an Everton win. | 0:00:57 | 0:00:59 | |
The football's got something to do with the church, | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
and above all, the church and religion has something to do with football. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
We're following chaplains in the city of Liverpool, | 0:01:07 | 0:01:09 | |
the work they do and the people's lives they touch. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:13 | |
Goodison Park is the home of top football club, Everton. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
Harry Ross, a retired vicar and passionate Evertonian, | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
is the club's chaplain. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:45 | |
For Harry, this place is more than just a football ground. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
Goodison Park is Harry's church. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
Well, of course, once you've become a supporter of any club, | 0:02:00 | 0:02:05 | |
it's a marvellous feeling. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:07 | |
And then to be invited to become chaplain to that club, | 0:02:07 | 0:02:09 | |
well, of course, it fulfils all your hopes and dreams, | 0:02:09 | 0:02:13 | |
because you get closer to the people that are working here, | 0:02:13 | 0:02:17 | |
you get close to the fans, because you know | 0:02:17 | 0:02:19 | |
what they're going through, you know what they're thinking, | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
you know what they're feeling, and it's an empathy. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
Thousands of Blues supporters are arriving for today's match. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:30 | |
Harry is there to meet and greet his congregation of fellow fans. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:39 | |
All right? | 0:02:39 | 0:02:40 | |
'Everything about me is Blue, except my language, of course.' | 0:02:40 | 0:02:44 | |
How are you? All right? | 0:02:44 | 0:02:45 | |
Harry is well known amongst the fans, | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
spreading the word of God through his love of the game. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:53 | |
The church and the football ground | 0:02:53 | 0:02:55 | |
have blended in together and we've shown | 0:02:55 | 0:02:58 | |
that they are part and parcel of life | 0:02:58 | 0:03:01 | |
and that the football's got something to do with the church, | 0:03:01 | 0:03:03 | |
and above all, the church and religion has something to do with the football. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:07 | |
Chaplains are often called on to help people through bereavement. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:28 | |
At Alder Hey Children's Hospital, | 0:03:28 | 0:03:30 | |
supporting families who've lost children | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
is an important part of the chaplain's role. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
The music we're changing as well, cos again, | 0:03:36 | 0:03:39 | |
we've had Precious Child for the last two years, | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
so this is Leona Lewis singing Footprints In The Sand. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
I'll do both of them, then. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:46 | |
The children who didn't make it through treatment are never forgotten here. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:51 | |
Today, chaplains Dave Williams and Caroline Ferguson | 0:03:51 | 0:03:55 | |
are planning the annual remembrance service. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
Then the final hymn, we're sticking with, | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
I think, One More Step Along The Road I Go, | 0:04:00 | 0:04:02 | |
-cos it's a good hymn of hope and looking to the future. -Yes, it is. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:05 | |
Hayley Jones is one of the bereaved parents who stayed in touch | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
with Alder Hey's chaplains. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
Her son, Ellis, was born with a heart defect, | 0:04:22 | 0:04:24 | |
and died at the hospital when he was ten months old. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:28 | |
I know that I'm close to him here. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:31 | |
Very special place. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:35 | |
We call it Ellis's little garden, | 0:04:37 | 0:04:40 | |
cos I don't like the word "cemetery". | 0:04:40 | 0:04:42 | |
We always make sure it's very pretty and bright. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
Cos he liked bright colours. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
And this is from Alder Hey. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
It's what he used to play with. | 0:04:56 | 0:04:58 | |
I remember when he first passed away. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
I wanted to have a bed at the side of him so he wouldn't be on his own. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:09 | |
Then we put these lights up because he always had a light on at home. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:13 | |
And I didn't want him being in the dark. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
Ellis actually came through an operation | 0:05:25 | 0:05:27 | |
which I don't think had ever been done on one so small before, | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
and it was an absolute miracle. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:32 | |
And he was actually due to be discharged on, | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
I think, the Wednesday, and on Saturday morning he just died. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
And they were obviously devastated, we all were, | 0:05:38 | 0:05:41 | |
but I can't imagine what it was like for them. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
And we'd become, I think, close, as family and friends, | 0:05:44 | 0:05:49 | |
and I think that was why they asked me to take Ellis's funeral, | 0:05:49 | 0:05:53 | |
which was a huge privilege. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:55 | |
And I took that over in Glossop for them | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
and met all the family there and got to know them really well, | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
and then supported them during the time after, | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
in that difficult time. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:06 | |
You never expect, as a parent, to have to go through the pain | 0:06:17 | 0:06:23 | |
and seeing your child fight for his life. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:25 | |
What we had to see Ellis go through. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
Ellis had six cardiac arrests, and we seen all six of them. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
And it still haunts us to this day. It's like noises. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:39 | |
You can still hear the noise - well, I can - | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
from the machine that goes off when they're going into an arrest. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:46 | |
I'll never forget on the Friday, after he'd had his arrest, | 0:06:48 | 0:06:52 | |
he was on that much sedation, | 0:06:52 | 0:06:54 | |
and I remember the nurses saying he wouldn't wake up. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
And I remember he woke up, didn't he? | 0:06:57 | 0:06:59 | |
And he grabbed my hand. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
And he pulled it to his chest, and that was last time... | 0:07:02 | 0:07:06 | |
..the last time he woke up, wasn't it? | 0:07:07 | 0:07:10 | |
And then he closed his eyes. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
It was the last time we seen him awake. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:17 | |
The hardest decision I've ever had to make was... | 0:07:23 | 0:07:27 | |
when they were trying to resuscitate him the last time. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
Hayley couldn't, but they had to have one of us to agree to stop. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
But then it was effectively ending his life, | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
and for a while... | 0:07:40 | 0:07:42 | |
I thought...I felt guilty, cos I ended his life. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:47 | |
But there was nothing he could do. to pull himself round. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:52 | |
It was just the worse day of our life, wasn't it? | 0:07:52 | 0:07:57 | |
The worst day, the worst... | 0:07:58 | 0:08:00 | |
some of the worst sights that no-one should ever have to see. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:05 | |
Chris and Hayley have suffered more than their fair share of tragedy. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:19 | |
They nearly lost their second son, Harley, after he caught meningitis. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:23 | |
It left him with disabilities. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:25 | |
Now Hayley's pregnant again, | 0:08:26 | 0:08:29 | |
but there's a chance the new baby will be born with heart problems. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:33 | |
The nightmare, it's just horrible, | 0:08:33 | 0:08:35 | |
that I can't go through losing another child to a heart condition. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:39 | |
And nobody can say for sure that it isn't going to happen again, | 0:08:39 | 0:08:43 | |
so in my mind, it's going to happen again. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
And until somebody tells me different, | 0:08:46 | 0:08:48 | |
I will keep thinking that, that it's going to happen again. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
In a week's time, a special scan | 0:08:52 | 0:08:54 | |
will reveal what the future holds for their unborn child. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:58 | |
If there is going to be a problem... | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
I don't know how life could be so cruel, but hopefully... | 0:09:04 | 0:09:08 | |
..it'll be third time lucky kind of thing, | 0:09:10 | 0:09:14 | |
that we'll have a normal, healthy baby from day one | 0:09:14 | 0:09:18 | |
and it will go from strength to strength. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
Harry's in touch with over 200 former team members | 0:09:37 | 0:09:41 | |
in and around the city. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:43 | |
Today, he's visiting a Merseyside footballing icon. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:47 | |
Well, we're going over to see Dave Hickson. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
Dave Hickson is a massive legend, | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
not just at Everton but of the whole of Merseyside. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:58 | |
His great boast is that he would break every bone in his body | 0:09:59 | 0:10:04 | |
for any team that he played for, but he'd die for Everton. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
'As a football chaplain, | 0:10:08 | 0:10:10 | |
'if you are a football supporter as well, you can bring | 0:10:10 | 0:10:14 | |
'the Christian message into what you're doing just by being yourself | 0:10:14 | 0:10:19 | |
'and letting Christ shine through you.' | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
-How are you, OK? -Yes, thank you. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
Great to see you, Dave. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:26 | |
82-year-old Dave Hickson was a soccer superstar in the '50s, | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
a time when a top footballer's wage was just £20 a week. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:36 | |
This, then, is our forecast of the 1955 Wembley finalists. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:43 | |
'Widely fancied, along with Preston, for soccer showpiece | 0:10:46 | 0:10:49 | |
'are the men of Merseyside, Everton. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:51 | |
'Key man behind their attack is fair-haired centre forward, Dave Hickson. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:56 | |
'For months now he has been hitting the goals and the headlines.' | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
What's the best goal you've ever scored? | 0:11:00 | 0:11:02 | |
Oh, dear me, that's going back. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
There was a gale force wind blowing from your church to the corner flag. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:12 | |
And I took it and hit it towards where your church is. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:16 | |
-Yeah. -And the wind blew it back, and I headed it in. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:21 | |
-From there, off my own... -Off your own corner? -Yeah. -Amazing. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:26 | |
-It was that windy. -Yeah. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:28 | |
'For Dave Hickson of the goal scorching feet | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
'is the man who can help take Everton to that peak | 0:11:31 | 0:11:33 | |
'of the soccer season - the Cup Final.' | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
How did you feel when you had to hang your boots up? | 0:11:37 | 0:11:40 | |
Terrible, really. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
In fact, I didn't, did I? I carried on and on and on till I was 77. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:48 | |
I know. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:49 | |
-OK, Dave. -Yeah, thanks for coming, Harry. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:53 | |
-Look after yourself, Dave. -Thanks very much. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:55 | |
-Thanks for everything. -OK. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:56 | |
And you give me a shout if there's anything we can do, | 0:11:56 | 0:11:59 | |
-and I'll see you at the match. -I'll see you at the match. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:02 | |
'You're here as a chaplain to be there, to listen, to help,' | 0:12:02 | 0:12:05 | |
and to be a safety net for anyone who needs you, anyone. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:09 | |
Whether they're Christians, non-Christians, don't care, | 0:12:09 | 0:12:13 | |
don't understand, but you're there. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:15 | |
And because you're a football supporter, they trust you. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:19 | |
When I had a heart attack, I couldn't help for anything. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:23 | |
He done everything for me, you know? | 0:12:23 | 0:12:25 | |
Went up to the hospital, Bill took me to the ambulance, | 0:12:26 | 0:12:32 | |
and Harry was at the hospital when I was there, when I got there, you know? | 0:12:32 | 0:12:38 | |
And every day he's come, you know, bar when he was busy, you know. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:42 | |
He's come to see me. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:44 | |
Unbelievable. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
Hayley and Chris have travelled to St Mary's Hospital in Manchester. | 0:12:56 | 0:13:01 | |
Today, a special scan will show | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
whether their unborn child has inherited a heart defect. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:08 | |
The same one that took away the life of their first. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
Hayley's parents have come along to give them support. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
Alder Hey heart specialist Dr Gordon Gladman | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
will carry out the scan. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:23 | |
So, in terms of Hayley with her foetus, | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
we'll be looking purely for, are there four parts to the heart, | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
the blood vessels coming out from the heart, | 0:13:28 | 0:13:30 | |
the blood vessels going into the heart, | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
any evidence of leaky valves, the function of the heart, | 0:13:33 | 0:13:35 | |
generally a checklist, making sure that everything | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
seems OK with baby's heart. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:39 | |
So, fingers crossed it's all going to be OK. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
Back at Alder Hey hospital, | 0:13:44 | 0:13:46 | |
Chaplain Dave Williams is praying for good news. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:50 | |
I just don't know how they have coped, really. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
I think they're wonderful, they're a wonderful family, and they're a close family. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
I suppose, in some ways, they've been through so much sadness | 0:13:57 | 0:14:01 | |
it'll be lovely to have that joy, to be able to enjoy this little one. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:05 | |
We just pray that he'll be well and strong. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:07 | |
On Merseyside, football is like a religion. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:24 | |
Everton chaplain Harry Ross is often asked to bury the ashes | 0:14:25 | 0:14:29 | |
of deceased fans close to the hallowed turf. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
The first question you get in this city is, "Who do you support?" | 0:14:33 | 0:14:37 | |
And that, of course, is either Everton or Liverpool. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
And it becomes so much part of their life that, when they've passed on, | 0:14:40 | 0:14:45 | |
it's right that they think, "Let's continue to be associated with the club." | 0:14:45 | 0:14:51 | |
Fans have had their favourite places where they used to stand | 0:14:51 | 0:14:55 | |
and the ashes have gone in as near to that as we can possibly put them. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:59 | |
Today, Harry's meeting Mark Melville, | 0:15:05 | 0:15:09 | |
the son of a lifelong Blues supporter. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
He wants Goodison Park to be his father's final resting place. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:16 | |
-Hi. Mark. Nice to meet you. -Yes. -Sorry it's such circumstances. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:23 | |
Sorry to hear about your dad. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
Mark's father, Tony, died two months ago at the age of 74. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:31 | |
This is where he enjoyed some of the best days of his life. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:36 | |
My dad used to put me over the turnstile. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:38 | |
There's many over the turnstile over the years. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:41 | |
This was the Paddock where we used to stand, round about here. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:44 | |
-It must bring back memories. -Yeah. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:46 | |
Awe-inspiring, you know. Do you think I'll get into trouble | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
-if I just touch the pitch? -No, go on, you're all right. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
Yeah. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:56 | |
The ashes will go just behind the main notice board there. | 0:15:56 | 0:16:02 | |
That's my dad with his brother, Chris. I don't know if you remember him. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:08 | |
Oh, yes, the face is familiar. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:14 | |
-How are you feeling about your dad and his...passing? -Yes. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:20 | |
Are you coming to terms with it? | 0:16:20 | 0:16:22 | |
You never get over it, you just learn to come to terms with it. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:27 | |
You just think that you're never going to see him again. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
Then you get a bit, you know... | 0:16:30 | 0:16:31 | |
-But you will, because that's the Christian message - you WILL see him again. -Yeah. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:35 | |
What was the last game he saw? | 0:16:37 | 0:16:39 | |
The Chelsea game, last game of the season. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
At St Mary's Hospital in Manchester, Hayley is about to have her scan. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:54 | |
Down you go, make yourself comfortable. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
It's the moment of truth for Hayley and Chris. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:01 | |
The jelly is as cold as ever. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
'You close your eyes, thinking that, if you close your eyes, it will go away. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:10 | |
'Just wait then for the answer. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
'I'll hold Hayley's hand, I'll try not to look at Dr Gladman's face. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:24 | |
'He always says that I squeeze his hand really tight, because I feel like | 0:17:26 | 0:17:30 | |
'then I know that he's there and I'm not on my own if we get the bad news.' | 0:17:30 | 0:17:36 | |
Playing hard to get, your baby. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
As you expect. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:45 | |
'If it's going to be bad, it's going to be bad. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:49 | |
'If it's going to be good, it's going to be good. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:52 | |
'Whatever will be, will be, | 0:17:52 | 0:17:53 | |
'but it's just hard sometimes to think like that.' | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
PULSING | 0:18:07 | 0:18:11 | |
A nice, steady heartbeat. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:15 | |
One of the big blood vessels coming out, nicely developed. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
Little heart bobbing away down there. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:22 | |
So, I'm happy. Awkward bits. I haven't seen any. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
I think it's important because you are early that we look again | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
in about four weeks, like we did before. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
But in terms of major things, everything's there that should be there. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:34 | |
-Everything is joined up properly. Hopefully you can relax a bit. -Yes. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:40 | |
-Third time lucky. -Exactly. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:42 | |
It's nice to know that at this stage, | 0:18:43 | 0:18:47 | |
baby's heart looks normal. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:50 | |
We're not used to having much good luck, so... | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
any good look we'll take... | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
with open arms and it's just... | 0:18:56 | 0:18:58 | |
so good to hear someone say your baby's heart's normal. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:03 | |
So far, the future for Hayley and Chris's third child is positive. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:09 | |
Dave Williams, the chaplain at Alder Hey, | 0:19:09 | 0:19:14 | |
is first to share the couple's good news. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:16 | |
-'Hello.' -Hi, Dave, it's only me. -'Hiya, love. How are you?' | 0:19:16 | 0:19:20 | |
I'm all right, thank you. It's just to say that everything went OK. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
-'Isn't that wonderful?' -Yes, Dr... -'The scan was OK?' | 0:19:23 | 0:19:27 | |
Yes, everything's great. Dr Gladman said everything looks OK. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:30 | |
-'Isn't that brilliant?' -Yeah. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:32 | |
It's match day at Everton Football Club, | 0:19:44 | 0:19:46 | |
a perfect time to commemorate the life of a devoted Blues fan. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:52 | |
Chaplin Harry Ross is at the memorial garden, | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
where the service for Tony Melville will be held. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
There's a story behind every one of these plaques | 0:20:00 | 0:20:04 | |
and the names on every plaque. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:06 | |
So, we've got people from Canada, we've got people whose ashes | 0:20:06 | 0:20:10 | |
have come from New Zealand, from America, from all over this country, | 0:20:10 | 0:20:15 | |
and the ashes go in here, so they can still be very close | 0:20:15 | 0:20:19 | |
to football, still close to Everton, as well as being close to God. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:24 | |
Family and friends are gathering outside. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:29 | |
Tony's son Mark, his grandson Bo, | 0:20:29 | 0:20:33 | |
and friends Joe and Amanda Jane. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:36 | |
Big Tony and I used to travel to away games before there was any M62. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:40 | |
We used to go round all the little... | 0:20:40 | 0:20:42 | |
-Villages. -..all the little roads, getting up there. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:45 | |
We used to travel to all the away games, his dad and I, years ago. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:49 | |
His dad would have been delighted with this. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
Just a few moments of recollection. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:06 | |
Ones in which I'd ask you to remember Tony, | 0:21:06 | 0:21:10 | |
to remember his life, remember the things that he said and done | 0:21:10 | 0:21:16 | |
which have made you a better person. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:18 | |
And as we stand in this place, let's remember | 0:21:18 | 0:21:22 | |
his connection with Everton, | 0:21:22 | 0:21:24 | |
his love of that football team as we return Tony's ashes to the ground. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:29 | |
-All right, Dad? -All right, Grandad. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:40 | |
We have entrusted this, our brother Tony, to God's mercy. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
We now commit his mortal remains to the ground, | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
earth to earth, ashes to ashes, dust to dust. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:55 | |
Amen. If you'd like to put...? | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
Beautiful, it couldn't have been better. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
I'm feeling a lot better. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
A lot better. It's just... | 0:22:04 | 0:22:06 | |
-It's closed now, isn't it? -Mm. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:08 | |
We've done what we've had to do and he's in the right place. So, yeah. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
-So, do you think you'll be coming back here again? -Yes. -Yes. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:16 | |
-We'll pay him a visit every now and again. -Yeah. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
-OK, so hopefully it's a good match and if there's anything, give me a ring, let me know. -OK. Brilliant. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:29 | |
And any time you're down, call and see me next door, | 0:22:29 | 0:22:33 | |
-and keep shouting for the Blues. -OK. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:35 | |
When I go, I'd like the service in the church in the corner | 0:22:39 | 0:22:43 | |
of the ground where I spent 33 years of my ministry - if Everton would allow | 0:22:43 | 0:22:48 | |
a chaplain's ashes to go here, that's what I want. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
Not too soon, of course, but I'd love them to go in here | 0:22:51 | 0:22:55 | |
because my great loves in life - my love of God and my love of Everton Football Club. | 0:22:55 | 0:23:02 | |
Today, the chaplains from Alder Hey Hospital are holding | 0:23:12 | 0:23:16 | |
their annual service of remembrance | 0:23:16 | 0:23:18 | |
for the children who didn't make it through treatment. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
The purpose of the service for us is hope and remembering. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:30 | |
Anything, you know, that helps them | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
to realise that the children are not forgotten, that they're not | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
on their own in remembering them, that other people still do care. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:40 | |
It's a very, very humbling experience, | 0:23:40 | 0:23:43 | |
walking that kind of dark walk with them. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:46 | |
And it is humbling as to how grateful they are | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
for someone just to be there, | 0:23:49 | 0:23:51 | |
someone non-clinical, who will just be there for them. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
And, I believe, who is not there trying to give them answers, | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
who's actually prepared to say, "I don't know why this has happened. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
"But I do believe there is still hope in this situation, | 0:24:00 | 0:24:03 | |
"there's still light in this darkness." | 0:24:03 | 0:24:05 | |
-How are you? -OK! -Good to see you. -Good to see you. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:15 | |
All right? | 0:24:15 | 0:24:16 | |
Hiya, love. Good to see you. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:20 | |
Look who's here! | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
-Hello. -Hello! | 0:24:23 | 0:24:24 | |
Chris and Hayley Jones are here to remember their first son, Ellis, | 0:24:24 | 0:24:28 | |
as they look ahead to the birth of their third child. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
Hiya. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:33 | |
All right, Chris. How are you doing, mate? It's good to see you. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:39 | |
She's been sending me updates, saying I should be there, | 0:24:39 | 0:24:42 | |
I will be there, so I think she's only a couple of weeks at the most, | 0:24:42 | 0:24:46 | |
but she's hung on, good girl, so they can come. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
It's so special because we've got such an affinity, through Ellis, | 0:24:49 | 0:24:53 | |
and then through this little man as well. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:57 | |
And then hopefully through little Archie when he arrives, | 0:24:57 | 0:24:59 | |
cos we've been asked to christen him. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:01 | |
That's been in the diary for ever for Hayley. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
We've done all three of the little ones, bless them. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:07 | |
It's just hard, coming back to Liverpool. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
But we're all here for the same reason, so... | 0:25:09 | 0:25:13 | |
Every single one of us. So, we know we're not on our own. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:17 | |
We've come today for this service which rightly is called | 0:25:17 | 0:25:22 | |
Hope and Remembering. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:24 | |
Father, bless all those who we no longer see, | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
but who are so precious to us and who are safe in your care, we pray, | 0:25:44 | 0:25:49 | |
until we can be with them again. And bless us all and all those who we love. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:55 | |
In the name of Jesus Christ, we pray. Amen. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:59 | |
Thank you so much for coming. It's been a pleasure to see you all. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:03 | |
Oh, he's out for the count. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
-Out for the count. -Yeah! -So, how long to go? | 0:26:15 | 0:26:18 | |
-Four weeks. -Four weeks? -Can't wait. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:20 | |
Isn't that wonderful? | 0:26:20 | 0:26:22 | |
If he's not here by Wednesday then I'll talk about inducing. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:26 | |
-Isn't that wonderful? -Yes. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:29 | |
People say to us, "How do you do your job?" | 0:26:29 | 0:26:32 | |
And I say, "You must remember, | 0:26:32 | 0:26:33 | |
"we have the happy times as well as sad times." | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
And you epitomise that. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
You had the desperate times of Ellis | 0:26:39 | 0:26:41 | |
and then the news on this little fella. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:43 | |
But you have been through the mill so much. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:46 | |
-Thanks for coming. -All right, Dave, see you later. -Keep us informed. -Will do. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:49 | |
God bless, my little friend. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:52 | |
Bless him. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:53 | |
Just weeks later, Chris and Hayley are celebrating the new beginning | 0:27:03 | 0:27:07 | |
they've been waiting and hoping for. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:10 | |
The safe arrival of their third son. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:13 | |
Archie Philip Jones. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:15 | |
-Philip after your dad, isn't it? -Yes. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
Yeah. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:20 | |
Yeah. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:23 | |
-He suits it as well, doesn't he? Looking at him. -Seems to. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:27 | |
I can see when Ellis first opened his eyes, when Archie does, | 0:27:30 | 0:27:34 | |
-he looks like Ellis, doesn't he? -Yeah. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
When he opens his eyes. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:39 | |
Which is nice to think, because Harley looks like Ellis as well. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:43 | |
It's nice to think that Ellis will live on | 0:27:43 | 0:27:47 | |
-in our other two children as they grow older. -Yeah. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:51 | |
-Yeah, our family's complete now, isn't it? -Absolutely. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:56 | |
-We've always said we wanted three children, and we've got them. -Yep. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:01 | |
But very...very happy and proud. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:05 | |
Perfect. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:09 | |
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