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I'm on a journey around an exotic | 0:00:06 | 0:00:08 | |
and beautiful land at the edge of Europe. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:11 | |
I'm in Ireland. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:18 | |
It's a place that's so near and yet can seem so far away | 0:00:20 | 0:00:24 | |
and I've never really explored it. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:27 | |
I'm going to travel all the way around Ireland by land, | 0:00:27 | 0:00:31 | |
by sea and by air. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:34 | |
This is incredible! | 0:00:35 | 0:00:37 | |
I want to find out more about this island divided between | 0:00:39 | 0:00:43 | |
two countries with an often troubled history. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:45 | |
I'll be meeting the enterprising... | 0:00:48 | 0:00:50 | |
Yes, here's success - success, excellent! | 0:00:50 | 0:00:53 | |
..and the mildly eccentric. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:55 | |
I just keep getting offered more monkeys, you know. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:57 | |
-You would take more if you could? -Yeah, absolutely. | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
This is a land steeped in religious faith... | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
What are you doing? Why barefoot? | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
Well, they say it's the proper way to do it. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
..and in ancient myths and legends. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:14 | |
I meet people regularly who have met the fairies and you don't interfere with them. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:20 | |
-Don't mess with the fairies. -Exactly. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
But in the 21st century, | 0:01:23 | 0:01:25 | |
many here are embracing extraordinary changes. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
Who would have thought that homosexuality would unify Ireland? | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
I mean, that's pretty amazing. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:35 | |
On this last leg of my journey, I'm going to be travelling | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
down the east coast to the great cities of Belfast and Dublin. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:41 | |
Look at this! | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
And on to the south of Ireland, where my travels began. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:49 | |
I'm in Northern Ireland. I'm starting the second leg | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
of my journey around the island of Ireland | 0:02:10 | 0:02:14 | |
and I'm here at the Giant's Causeway - one of the wonders of the world! | 0:02:14 | 0:02:17 | |
The columns here are the result of an ancient | 0:02:21 | 0:02:25 | |
volcanic eruption, of course. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:26 | |
But the myths and the legends that surround this place | 0:02:26 | 0:02:29 | |
are much more interesting. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:30 | |
The main legend is that giants used this as a road, as a causeway, | 0:02:31 | 0:02:37 | |
between Ireland and Scotland - which isn't many miles in that direction. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:42 | |
And it's quite a convenient myth in many ways for many Protestants, | 0:02:43 | 0:02:48 | |
particularly here in the north of Ireland, because | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
it reinforces their connection with Scotland and with Britain. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
The links between Ireland and Scotland have been strong | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
since the Stone Age. | 0:02:57 | 0:02:58 | |
At their narrowest point, there's only 13 miles of water. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:03 | |
Many Protestants in Northern Ireland are descended from Scots who | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
arrived in the 1600s during the organised colonisation | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
known as the Plantation of Ulster. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:11 | |
The plantation was devised partly as a way of taking control | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
of an unruly region of Catholic Ireland by flooding it | 0:03:16 | 0:03:20 | |
with tens of thousands of Scottish and English settlers. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:24 | |
Of course, that ultimately led to deep divisions and violent conflict. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:28 | |
For decades, much of Northern Ireland was torn apart | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
by the sectarian conflict known as the Troubles. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
Protestants were mainly Loyalists and Unionists who wanted to | 0:03:35 | 0:03:39 | |
stay part of the United Kingdom, whereas Catholics were generally | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
republicans and nationalists who either wanted to separate from | 0:03:42 | 0:03:46 | |
the UK or unite with the Republic of Ireland to form a United Ireland. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:53 | |
But I'm heading now to a community where Protestants | 0:03:53 | 0:03:56 | |
and Catholics live together in relative peace and harmony. | 0:03:56 | 0:04:02 | |
I'm going to find out how they manage that. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
Kate? Hello - Simon. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:12 | |
-Hello. -Lovely to meet you. -Lovely to meet you as well. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
-Permission to come aboard? -Absolutely, yeah. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
Kate Burns is from one of the many communities in Northern Ireland that | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
didn't suffer the pain of intense sectarianism during the Troubles. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:28 | |
She was taking me to Rathlin Island. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:31 | |
It's a mixed-faith community in what's called a Special Area of Conservation. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
A few decades ago, jobs were scarce here | 0:04:40 | 0:04:42 | |
and the island's population was in decline. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:44 | |
Now there's tourism and fishing | 0:04:46 | 0:04:48 | |
but Kate's also pioneering an unusual new industry. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
So tell us a bit about Rathlin Island. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:56 | |
How many people live here? | 0:04:56 | 0:04:58 | |
There's about 123 and it's been growing. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:01 | |
-About 123? -Yeah, yeah. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:03 | |
And are you...? You're a new arrival? | 0:05:03 | 0:05:06 | |
Well, I arrived in 1978. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:08 | |
Oh, that's very recent. You've only just got here, then! | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
What was life like here during the Troubles? | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
From a community perspective, we just didn't have... | 0:05:14 | 0:05:18 | |
there just wasn't this division | 0:05:18 | 0:05:20 | |
that there was on the mainland, even though | 0:05:20 | 0:05:22 | |
there were the two communities, Catholic and Protestant communities | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
on the island, and they've always worked together and played together. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:33 | |
Catholics and Protestants here went to the same school - | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
unusual in Northern Ireland, where education's still shockingly segregated. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:40 | |
They've even ended up together. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
People on the island were buried together - are buried together? | 0:05:42 | 0:05:46 | |
They are buried together. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:48 | |
And that sounds, as an outsider, well, yes, of course, that's very normal. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
But it wasn't and still isn't that normal in Northern Ireland, is it? | 0:05:51 | 0:05:56 | |
Not normal at all, actually. But... So, they're all here. | 0:05:56 | 0:06:00 | |
And what a beautiful place to be buried as well. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
Yes, absolutely. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:04 | |
Rathlin is stunning, | 0:06:07 | 0:06:10 | |
but to keep this remote community alive in the 21st century, | 0:06:10 | 0:06:14 | |
Kate and the other residents have had to be imaginative. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
So, Kate, where are we going? | 0:06:20 | 0:06:22 | |
Right, this is quite a good place to get kelp. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:26 | |
Ugh! Wet welly - not good. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:32 | |
This is what we're here for. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
Seaweed! | 0:06:38 | 0:06:40 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:06:40 | 0:06:42 | |
Now, to too many people, this is just something that rots | 0:06:42 | 0:06:46 | |
and smells on the seashore. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
But this is a superfood. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
Why should people be eating this - | 0:06:52 | 0:06:54 | |
something they think of as just a slimy sea-y weed? | 0:06:54 | 0:06:58 | |
Well, it's lovely, it's a superfood and it's good for the ocean, | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
it's good for you and it's good to eat. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:05 | |
-Well, I would pay money for that as a snack, even as it is there. -Mmm. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:12 | |
The taste isn't too strong - it's quite subtle. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:16 | |
Subtle ocean flavour. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:17 | |
-Subtle ocean flavour, yeah. -It has. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:19 | |
Seaweed's incredibly versatile - as a biofuel, in medicine and as a food. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:26 | |
Kelp's been used to make noodles in the East for centuries | 0:07:26 | 0:07:29 | |
and it's becoming fashionable in the West, so Kate's started farming it. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:34 | |
Yes, here's success! Success, excellent. OK! | 0:07:34 | 0:07:38 | |
What have you found? | 0:07:38 | 0:07:39 | |
Now, this is what I'm after today, this particular kind of kelp, | 0:07:39 | 0:07:43 | |
which has got brown patches on it. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:45 | |
-Can you see those patches? -Yes, yes. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
Those are the seeds. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:49 | |
Really? And so what are you going to do with it? | 0:07:49 | 0:07:51 | |
-We're going to make baby kelp plants from it. -THEY LAUGH | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
The seeds Kate gathers here are used to plant | 0:07:54 | 0:07:58 | |
enormous quantities of kelp in a farm out at sea. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:00 | |
There's almost no negative impact on the environment from growing | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
the superfood this way. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:07 | |
Low in calories but rich in vitamins and minerals, | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
Kate believes it's a foodstuff that could revolutionise | 0:08:10 | 0:08:14 | |
the economy of this remote island, but growing seaweed | 0:08:14 | 0:08:16 | |
could also help to meet the world's increasing food needs. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:20 | |
Kate has licensed 22 acres of sea for her underwater farm | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
and can now produce between 60 and 80 tonnes of food a year. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:29 | |
Her son Duncan helps run the farm. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
The kelp grows on more than a dozen ropes strung out across the sea. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:38 | |
Got it! | 0:08:38 | 0:08:39 | |
Maybe what they're growing here will be in a supermarket or restaurant near you soon. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:43 | |
Yay! Look at that! | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
Oh, that's fantastic. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
Look! Here we go. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
So for us making noodles and salads from this, | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
this is a lovely, fine, clean product. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:00 | |
Each one of these buoys has ropes like this | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
-and it goes on for miles. -HE LAUGHS | 0:09:03 | 0:09:05 | |
How do you feel when you see this? | 0:09:05 | 0:09:07 | |
Look, it's growing successfully here on your farm. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
I just think this is just super. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
I just get really excited when I see it. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
And this hasn't taken masses of pesticides and fertilizers. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
It's taken nothing, no. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:19 | |
It's just been put in the sea. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:21 | |
Is this the future of food? | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
I think what we're doing here is | 0:09:24 | 0:09:26 | |
the start of something which is going to grow in other places. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
But, yeah - this is what food should be. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:31 | |
Feeding seven billion people on this planet is a huge challenge for us | 0:09:36 | 0:09:41 | |
and growing food on land is becoming quite difficult - | 0:09:41 | 0:09:43 | |
we're running out of space and people are using enormous | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
amounts of fertilizers and pesticides and insecticides. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:50 | |
Growing it out here in the sea like this - naturally, organically, | 0:09:50 | 0:09:54 | |
sustainably - it's got to be the future. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:56 | |
Back on the mainland, | 0:10:00 | 0:10:01 | |
I resumed my journey down the east coast, leaving Rathlin Island behind. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:06 | |
I'm now going to head along the causeway coastal route | 0:10:06 | 0:10:10 | |
towards Belfast. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:12 | |
That coastal route has been rated as one of the top drives in the world. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
Look at this place! | 0:10:18 | 0:10:19 | |
This beautiful coast road has always been celebrated by locals. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:24 | |
But since peace has come to Northern Ireland, | 0:10:24 | 0:10:26 | |
the rest of the world has woken up to it, too. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:28 | |
Tourists are coming back and the film and TV industry now uses | 0:10:30 | 0:10:34 | |
studios in the province and landscapes as locations. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
There's one hugely popular US TV series in particular that's | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
making Northern Ireland's scenery internationally famous. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:46 | |
It's boosted Northern Ireland's economy by tens of millions of pounds | 0:10:47 | 0:10:51 | |
and created thousands of jobs. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
It's beautiful round here. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:56 | |
There's a road up ahead that's particularly picturesque. | 0:10:56 | 0:11:00 | |
This is it. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:06 | |
It's called the Dark Hedges. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:08 | |
Oh! | 0:11:10 | 0:11:12 | |
It seems a few other people have heard about it as well. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:16 | |
Game Of Thrones is the international smash-hit TV series. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:19 | |
It's shot in a former shipyard building in Belfast | 0:11:20 | 0:11:23 | |
and at locations like this. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:24 | |
We've got travellers coming from Asia | 0:11:26 | 0:11:29 | |
to look at a road in Northern Ireland that's featured on a TV series. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:34 | |
It's a changing world! | 0:11:34 | 0:11:35 | |
Where have you come from? | 0:11:40 | 0:11:41 | |
-California. -California! | 0:11:41 | 0:11:43 | |
People have really got into the whole world of | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
Game Of Thrones, haven't they? | 0:11:46 | 0:11:47 | |
Yeah, well, you know... It's a novelty. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
We don't have medieval, you know, castles and history and horses... | 0:11:50 | 0:11:54 | |
-Water, rain! -Water, green! | 0:11:54 | 0:11:58 | |
So what are the sort of key things that you think of | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
when you thought of Northern Ireland? | 0:12:01 | 0:12:03 | |
It's... I mean, Game Of Thrones definitely influences a lot of the people I work with. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:08 | |
I work with a lot of nerds. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:09 | |
I work at a software company | 0:12:09 | 0:12:10 | |
so we have, like, you know, comic-con day and dress-up day | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
-and stuff like that, so we always have characters walking around... -From Game Of Thrones! | 0:12:13 | 0:12:18 | |
So you have a dress-up day... | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
-Yes! -..at your California internet technology company? -Yes. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:24 | |
This is brilliant! | 0:12:24 | 0:12:26 | |
Many think Game Of Thrones has been the biggest | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
positive publicity boost the province has had in decades. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
I headed to Northern Ireland's capital city, Belfast, | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
which for many outsiders still has a tricky reputation. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:41 | |
Before I get into Belfast, there's something I wanted you to see. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:47 | |
And that is... | 0:12:47 | 0:12:49 | |
the view of Belfast. Look at this! | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
How many news reports have I seen from Belfast over the decades... | 0:12:57 | 0:13:02 | |
..talking of death and suffering | 0:13:04 | 0:13:08 | |
and tragedy and conflict? | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
Hundreds and hundreds. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
And yet this is Belfast today. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:17 | |
Looks shiny, looks peaceful. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
Let's go and see what it's like on the ground. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:25 | |
Hundreds of millions of pounds have been spent on the redevelopment | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
of Belfast since the Good Friday Peace Agreement. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
The checkpoints have gone. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
A whole generation has grown up in relative peace. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
There are still political militants and paramilitaries here, of course, | 0:13:40 | 0:13:44 | |
but the majority of people just want to move on from the Troubles | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
and they're often embarrassed by the antics of the minority. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
So this is, I'm pretty sure, the Cathedral Quarter, | 0:13:52 | 0:13:56 | |
which is the sort of, you know, trendy bit of Belfast. | 0:13:56 | 0:14:00 | |
That's where I'm going. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:02 | |
I'm on my way to meet a bloke called Jake O'Kane. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:07 | |
Bet there's nowhere to bloody park, though. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
Goodness me! A man with a lemur on his head. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
Things have changed so dramatically here, it's got to the point | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
where people can joke about religion and politics. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
I met up with one of Belfast's leading comedians and satirists. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:29 | |
-Jake? -Simon, welcome, welcome. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:31 | |
Thank you very much indeed. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:33 | |
What have you said in the past, Jake? | 0:14:33 | 0:14:35 | |
I've said a lot in the past. That's what I do. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:37 | |
I say things that people think but don't say. That's very important. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:42 | |
Are you an equal opportunities satirist? | 0:14:42 | 0:14:44 | |
Oh, I hate everybody. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:45 | |
I have no respect for power, I have no respect for privilege, | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
I have no respect for history. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:49 | |
I have no respect for what's gone before. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:51 | |
How would you describe Belfast today? Is this Belfast today? | 0:14:51 | 0:14:57 | |
Yeah. This is Belfast. This is the Belfast I know. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:01 | |
So my generation, when I was a younger man, | 0:15:01 | 0:15:03 | |
we never came into the city centre. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:05 | |
-We always socialised in our own little camp. -Why? | 0:15:05 | 0:15:07 | |
Because it was dangerous. Because you could get shot. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:11 | |
Very simple, very basic. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:12 | |
And it's become busy and vibrant since. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
It's totally opened up. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:17 | |
Since when? | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
Started after the Good Friday Agreement. Started after peace. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
Started after we stopped shooting each other. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
Naturally, that's when things began to open up. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:27 | |
Today, kids are coming into Belfast city centre, they're mixing, | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
no-one gives a damn whether they're Protestant or Catholic. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
Is there such a thing here as an embarrassed majority? | 0:15:33 | 0:15:37 | |
-Yes. -And are you part of it? -Yes. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:39 | |
The majority here are not tied or captured by their past. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:45 | |
They have... They are not giving up who they are, | 0:15:45 | 0:15:48 | |
who they believe they are, | 0:15:48 | 0:15:49 | |
but they are willing to reach the hand out and accommodate | 0:15:49 | 0:15:54 | |
and compromise and say, "Let's find a middle ground." | 0:15:54 | 0:15:57 | |
But not everyone in Belfast feels able or ready to reach out a hand. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:04 | |
It's only a short drive from the lively Cathedral Quarter | 0:16:10 | 0:16:14 | |
to less affluent and still divided areas of Belfast. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
Now, this - this is a real shocker. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:26 | |
This is one of the euphemistically named peace walls. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:33 | |
A security wall that divides communities - | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
this is a Loyalist community on this side | 0:16:37 | 0:16:41 | |
and on the other side is a republican community. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:45 | |
And they have to be kept apart. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
And you know what's really tragic? | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
A lot of these walls have actually gone up | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
since the peace process began. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
There's dozens of the barriers and locals still don't want them removed. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:02 | |
It sounds extraordinary, but many people killed in the Troubles died | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
where peace walls had been built, and I, for one, can understand | 0:17:05 | 0:17:09 | |
why their friends and relatives might not want to take them down. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:12 | |
I arrived in Belfast on the most important weekend of the year | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
for many in the Unionist and Loyalist community. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
The main event of the summer marching season | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
celebrates an historic military victory | 0:17:23 | 0:17:25 | |
in which the Protestant King William of Orange defeated | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
Catholic King James II in the Battle of the Boyne in 1690. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:32 | |
It secured the Protestant ascendancy in Ireland for generations, | 0:17:32 | 0:17:36 | |
to the detriment of the Catholic majority. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
Marching bands like this one practise all year for the main event | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
on July 12th, in which thousands parade through the streets. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
I met up with Michael Crosby, | 0:17:48 | 0:17:50 | |
a long-standing member of the Pride of Ardoyne Flute Band. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
Now it's a street party? | 0:17:54 | 0:17:56 | |
Street party, yeah. It's a community festival. | 0:17:56 | 0:18:00 | |
Can you tell us just a little bit about the community? | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
Give us a sense of the community here, | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
that's quite a small area, I'm thinking. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:08 | |
This is Glenbryn estate, which we refer to as Loyalist Ardoyne. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:12 | |
You have nationalist Ardoyne, so we refer to this as Loyalist Ardoyne. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:16 | |
We have something like seven to eight streets. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:20 | |
It's been through a lot of hard times during the Troubles. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:24 | |
We've lost a lot of people in here, | 0:18:24 | 0:18:26 | |
shot dead, whatever, through the Troubles. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:29 | |
But we're a close-knit community. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:31 | |
Seven or eight roads is a pretty small community, isn't it? | 0:18:31 | 0:18:35 | |
And are you...? Do you feel hemmed in, surrounded here? | 0:18:35 | 0:18:40 | |
If you look down the street, you have houses that still have | 0:18:40 | 0:18:45 | |
barbed wire in front of the windows. This is 2015. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:49 | |
But, of course, a stone's throw away in nationalist Ardoyne, | 0:18:51 | 0:18:55 | |
Catholics feel just as besieged. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:57 | |
Celebrations for 12th July kick off with huge bonfires | 0:19:01 | 0:19:05 | |
lit all around the city the night before. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:07 | |
Look at the size of that! | 0:19:07 | 0:19:09 | |
Tradition has it that bonfires were originally lit to guide | 0:19:10 | 0:19:14 | |
the ships of the Protestant King William of Orange. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:18 | |
I felt this was one tradition that had got rather out of hand. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
Many Catholics feel it's a triumphalistic celebration | 0:19:21 | 0:19:24 | |
of the victory of Protestants over Catholics. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:27 | |
I do struggle, I must say, to understand how burning hundreds | 0:19:30 | 0:19:36 | |
and hundreds of pallets is really an expression of culture. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
But it feels intimidatory as well. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
What's curious, I suppose, is this sort of thing would never | 0:19:46 | 0:19:50 | |
be tolerated in many other British cities. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:55 | |
But here, still allowances are being made, have to be made, | 0:19:55 | 0:19:59 | |
otherwise people would get very angry. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:01 | |
Nationalist and Catholic symbols - like effigies of the Pope - | 0:20:02 | 0:20:07 | |
can be burnt on the pyres. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:09 | |
It can be deeply upsetting to Catholics. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:13 | |
It felt strange to be in Belfast on the 12th. It's not a normal weekend. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:18 | |
Many people in the city have no interest in the event | 0:20:18 | 0:20:20 | |
and leave for a holiday. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:21 | |
On the Glenbryn estate, they're about to light their giant bonfire. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:27 | |
I met up again with Michael Crosby from the Pride of Ardoyne Flute Band. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:32 | |
You're loading up there. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:34 | |
Now obviously, we've got an IRA sign here. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:39 | |
That's going to go up. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:41 | |
Above it, you've got the flag of the Republic, the tricolour - | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
the Republic of Ireland. Why are you burning that? | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
Because this is British. This is British Northern Ireland. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
This is Northern Ireland, part of the British state. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
That's a foreign flag. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:54 | |
Now, you know some people are going to say that's very provocative. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
It's not provocative. It's not. It's not a flag of my country. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:01 | |
The flag of my country is the Union Jack and the Ulster flag. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
But putting it up there isn't just another country - that's the enemy, isn't it? | 0:21:04 | 0:21:08 | |
-Yeah. -And it still feels that way? -Yeah. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
CHEERING AND SHOUTING | 0:21:16 | 0:21:21 | |
Bloody hell! | 0:21:24 | 0:21:26 | |
The heat is astonishing. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:34 | |
The whole scene is completely surreal for me. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
Many people here feel their culture, identity, | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
and survival is under threat, even though recent polls show that | 0:21:44 | 0:21:48 | |
most Catholics in Northern Ireland also want to stay part of the UK. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:52 | |
What is your ultimate concern? | 0:21:54 | 0:21:58 | |
Shared space and a shared future. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:00 | |
Is your ultimate concern that you're going to be | 0:22:00 | 0:22:02 | |
pushed out of Ireland, basically? | 0:22:02 | 0:22:06 | |
I hope in my generation, | 0:22:06 | 0:22:07 | |
when I'm dead and buried, that this country is still British | 0:22:07 | 0:22:13 | |
and my grandkids can still go to school and express our culture | 0:22:13 | 0:22:17 | |
like I'm doing tonight, having a few beers. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
The whole weekend, we enjoy our culture and enjoy our freedom. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:24 | |
What a scene. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:32 | |
It's really sad to hear the fear, | 0:22:35 | 0:22:39 | |
actually, the concern | 0:22:39 | 0:22:42 | |
that people here have about the loss of their culture, | 0:22:42 | 0:22:46 | |
their identity, their territory. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
Their sense of Britishness. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:53 | |
As an outsider, obviously, I see it completely differently. | 0:22:56 | 0:23:00 | |
From my perspective, the Loyalists won. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:02 | |
This is still a separate country. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
They don't see it that way. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:08 | |
They see their position under threat. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
It's easy to judge this community for not moving on, | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
but many died here during the Troubles | 0:23:16 | 0:23:18 | |
and I could sympathise with their reluctance to abandon traditions. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
There's also high unemployment here. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:23 | |
Their British identity gives a sense of pride. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:25 | |
It was the morning of the 12th | 0:23:35 | 0:23:37 | |
and members of the Protestant Orange Order were marching through the centre of Belfast. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:41 | |
I actually feel a little bit defensive about this | 0:23:48 | 0:23:51 | |
because although it is odd, although it is exotic, | 0:23:51 | 0:23:55 | |
this is a largely working-class celebration of their fundamental identity. | 0:23:55 | 0:24:02 | |
Don't knock it and don't try and take it away from them, | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
unless you're going to give them something to believe in. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:09 | |
So here comes the Pride of Ardoyne | 0:24:09 | 0:24:10 | |
and they're getting quite a reception from the crowd. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
I spotted Michael. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:17 | |
Michael. Michael! Can we come with you? | 0:24:17 | 0:24:21 | |
Yes, by all means! | 0:24:21 | 0:24:23 | |
You've got a massive smile on your face! | 0:24:25 | 0:24:29 | |
It's our culture. It's the best day of the year. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
-Why are you stopping playing here? Or just going to a single drumbeat. -To respect the cenotaph. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:42 | |
The war memorial's just there. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:43 | |
Yup, the people who fought in two world wars and Afghanistan and Iraq. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:48 | |
-And here. -Yeah, and here, yeah. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:50 | |
That's really interesting, cos as outsiders, | 0:24:50 | 0:24:53 | |
we can perhaps forget that people here, your community, | 0:24:53 | 0:24:56 | |
probably people in your band, fought and bled for Queen and country. | 0:24:56 | 0:25:01 | |
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:03 | |
And that feels absolutely at your core? | 0:25:03 | 0:25:05 | |
Oh, aye. You have to respect what they've done for this country and for Britain. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:09 | |
For many lining the route, it's a family day out. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:19 | |
CHEERING | 0:25:19 | 0:25:21 | |
But Catholics don't think this day is a time for celebration. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
For them, it commemorates a tragic time in their history. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:29 | |
Some Loyalist bands still want to follow traditional routes | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
close to nationalist areas. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:34 | |
In previous years, enraged Catholics have rioted. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:37 | |
I headed back to the Ardoyne area of Belfast | 0:25:39 | 0:25:41 | |
and met up with Catholic priest Father Gary Donegan. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
So I think most Loyalists would see this weekend | 0:25:48 | 0:25:50 | |
as a time of celebration. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:54 | |
How do you see it? | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
For us, it's a time where people in the community | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
generally are under siege. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
What happens is, during a parade, the area becomes like lockdown. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:08 | |
And you see massive police operations. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:10 | |
Let's stop here for a second. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
Why do so many Catholics feel under siege at this time? | 0:26:13 | 0:26:17 | |
By the time the evening takes place, that stage, | 0:26:17 | 0:26:21 | |
people have been drinking, people have been taking | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
all sorts of substance abuse on both sides of the community | 0:26:24 | 0:26:27 | |
and you've got the perfect storm then for a possible riot or public disturbance. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:32 | |
I rejoined the parade. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
Tension was rising. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:41 | |
Goodness me! | 0:26:41 | 0:26:43 | |
The Independent Parades Commission had banned marchers | 0:26:43 | 0:26:46 | |
from taking their flags home past the Catholic area up ahead. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:50 | |
So they're singing, if you can't hear, "We want to go home." | 0:26:52 | 0:26:56 | |
# We want to go home. # | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
But they already knew that the police weren't going to let them through. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:07 | |
What are you feeling about what's up ahead? | 0:27:08 | 0:27:11 | |
I'm nervous. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:12 | |
You're nervous - really? | 0:27:12 | 0:27:14 | |
Yeah, in case something kicks off. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:16 | |
All it takes is one brick, one bottle - you know what I mean? | 0:27:16 | 0:27:20 | |
The Orange Order and bands arrived at the police blockade | 0:27:23 | 0:27:25 | |
and there was a tense standoff. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:27 | |
It wasn't long before violence erupted. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
Come on, we'd better go back. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:34 | |
Already, instantly... My God. ..bottles are being chucked, hoods are coming up. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:38 | |
We need to move back out of the way. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:40 | |
Go back. Go, go, go. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:41 | |
So we've now come round behind the police line. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
I think the barricade is up ahead. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:53 | |
To me, as an outsider, it all felt bizarre and faintly absurd. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:57 | |
This just has far too much of a feel that... | 0:28:10 | 0:28:12 | |
..people here have done this for a long time, | 0:28:15 | 0:28:18 | |
so there's lots of camera crews on this side | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
who clearly know how far these folk can chuck their bottles. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:24 | |
They're at a certain line, then the police are further ahead. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:28 | |
It feels like people know what their positions and roles are | 0:28:30 | 0:28:34 | |
in this situation, because it's played out year after year. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:38 | |
God, how depressing. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:43 | |
These local Catholic residents watch from afar. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
The police seem to think they might get it from both sides, | 0:28:53 | 0:28:56 | |
but the rioters - this year at least - were all Loyalists. | 0:28:56 | 0:28:59 | |
They're chucking bricks, bottles, bolts, even traffic cones. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:04 | |
The water cannon's been brought up. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:06 | |
Incoming! | 0:29:08 | 0:29:09 | |
An officer has just been hit just there. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:16 | |
My God! They're having to drag him away. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:19 | |
The water cannon's being used now, look. | 0:29:21 | 0:29:24 | |
This is going to go on for hours, I fear. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:28 | |
There obviously was a peace process, but there wasn't a resolution | 0:29:28 | 0:29:32 | |
of the fundamental issues that are dividing the society. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:36 | |
So there is now management of stalemate. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:41 | |
And there have got to be advances made | 0:29:43 | 0:29:45 | |
in bringing communities together and integrating them, | 0:29:45 | 0:29:49 | |
getting them to live together. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:52 | |
It's going to take a long time, but this situation here, | 0:29:52 | 0:29:54 | |
this is a small part of the story of Northern Ireland | 0:29:54 | 0:29:57 | |
and it's a small part of the story of the island of Ireland. | 0:29:57 | 0:30:00 | |
The violence I saw was the only trouble over the entire weekend. | 0:30:08 | 0:30:12 | |
Even just a few streets away, life continued as usual. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:16 | |
For the majority of people living in Belfast, | 0:30:16 | 0:30:19 | |
sectarianism and tribal conflict is largely a thing of the past. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:23 | |
You realise quite quickly there's a lot of leafy, middle-class suburbs here. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:30 | |
And, of course, to most of the people who live here, | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
they'll say, "Well, yes - of course there are." | 0:30:32 | 0:30:35 | |
But to many outsiders who still think of Belfast as being a gritty, | 0:30:35 | 0:30:40 | |
grimy city of conflict, they perhaps don't realise that this exists here. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:45 | |
But Belfast is not all flags and fighting. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:49 | |
A lot of it is just very, very normal. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:54 | |
Some of the barriers here are coming down - | 0:30:56 | 0:31:00 | |
the barriers in people's minds. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:02 | |
I'm off to summer school! | 0:31:04 | 0:31:05 | |
Linda Ervine come from a family of leading Unionists, | 0:31:07 | 0:31:11 | |
but she's become a champion of the Irish language and a teacher. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:16 | |
You're from what some would say is the Loyalist royal family, | 0:31:16 | 0:31:20 | |
almost, here in Belfast. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:23 | |
So it's quite unusual that you started to learn | 0:31:23 | 0:31:27 | |
and love the language, because that's the standard view | 0:31:27 | 0:31:31 | |
of Gaelic Irish speakers, that they would be Catholic. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:36 | |
Yeah. And some people would regard the language as something divisive, | 0:31:36 | 0:31:40 | |
something that's saying, you know, that you're nationalist, | 0:31:40 | 0:31:43 | |
that you're in favour of an all-Ireland, for instance. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:46 | |
But, for me, with the language, the Gaelic language actually unites us | 0:31:46 | 0:31:49 | |
and for anybody to deny that, they need to look in their British passport. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:53 | |
Because if they look in their British passport, | 0:31:53 | 0:31:55 | |
it's written in three languages. It's in English, Welsh and Gaelic. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:58 | |
Gaelic is a language of the British Isles. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:01 | |
That is a good point. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:03 | |
-And as somebody who uses that passport quite a lot, I think I'd forgotten that. -Yeah. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:08 | |
One of the things I don't want to do is I don't want to go down the road | 0:32:08 | 0:32:11 | |
of "We're taking it back" - there's enough of that in Northern Ireland. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:15 | |
What we always wanted to do was just take our place within the Irish language community. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:20 | |
The Irish language, or Gaelic, is associated with being Catholic | 0:32:20 | 0:32:23 | |
and nationalist, but many of the early Protestant settlers here in the north spoke Gaelic. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:28 | |
SHE SPEAKS IRISH GAELIC | 0:32:28 | 0:32:34 | |
I was thinking that this was the real muppet beginner class, | 0:32:34 | 0:32:37 | |
-which was probably appropriate for me, but... -Did you not know that this is for the fluent speakers? | 0:32:37 | 0:32:41 | |
-Yes, I think this is quite advanced, isn't it? -We're doing grammar. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:44 | |
We're going to have to get someone to teach Simon some Gaelic. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:47 | |
Um, please. Thank you. Two fried eggs! | 0:32:47 | 0:32:51 | |
-You'll also need "Sassenach". -Sassenach. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:53 | |
Sassenach - cos you're an Englishman. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:56 | |
SHE SPEAKS IRISH GAELIC | 0:32:56 | 0:32:59 | |
HE REPEATS IN IRISH GAELIC | 0:32:59 | 0:33:01 | |
Linda teaches in an Irish-language school in a Loyalist area. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:05 | |
The schools are springing up across Northern Ireland. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:09 | |
Why do you think so many people are now wanting to learn Irish? | 0:33:09 | 0:33:14 | |
So it's kind of strange. It can totally change your outlook | 0:33:14 | 0:33:17 | |
and I think the work that Linda has done and is doing | 0:33:17 | 0:33:20 | |
and the work that's happening in east Belfast is miles ahead, | 0:33:20 | 0:33:26 | |
streets ahead, in terms of community relations. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
You look at it. It's 16 years since the Good Friday Agreement. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:32 | |
All the work has been done in a divisive way. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:34 | |
So it's all about - we'll have ten Protestants and ten Catholics | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
and if we talk about St Patrick's Day, we'll talk about the Boyne. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:40 | |
Everything focuses on difference. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:42 | |
And, for me, all we do is, you know, | 0:33:42 | 0:33:44 | |
we're not interested in we'll have 50% Catholics and 50% Protestants - we're offering a language. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:50 | |
Come and learn a language. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:52 | |
And we don't take a note of whether you're Catholic or Protestant | 0:33:52 | 0:33:55 | |
cos I'm not interested. | 0:33:55 | 0:33:56 | |
I'm interested in people who want to learn the language. | 0:33:56 | 0:33:58 | |
And that's what we need to do in Northern Ireland, bring | 0:33:58 | 0:34:01 | |
people together in a way that they can meet, integrate and something | 0:34:01 | 0:34:06 | |
that interests them, rather than focusing on how they're different. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:10 | |
This is home, so to travel to part of my own country | 0:34:11 | 0:34:16 | |
and learn about the situation there has been really fascinating. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:20 | |
I'm leaving Belfast now. I'm leaving Northern Ireland, in fact, | 0:34:22 | 0:34:25 | |
and I'm heading south, continuing my journey. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:28 | |
I travelled down the east coast, crossed the border | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
into the Republic of Ireland and headed towards the town of Drogheda. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:39 | |
In 1649, English forces under Oliver Cromwell attacked | 0:34:43 | 0:34:48 | |
and took Drogheda under an epic siege and battle. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:51 | |
As a result, Cromwell became a hate figure in much of Ireland. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:56 | |
But what exactly happened during the attack is still being | 0:34:59 | 0:35:02 | |
argued about to this day. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:03 | |
Tom Reilly is a local historian who has made an extremely | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
detailed study of first-hand accounts of the period. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:14 | |
Oh, goodness! | 0:35:14 | 0:35:16 | |
Tom, why have we come here? | 0:35:16 | 0:35:18 | |
We've come here because this is the site of exactly where | 0:35:18 | 0:35:20 | |
Cromwell broke into the town. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
-Just over here. -The church? | 0:35:23 | 0:35:24 | |
-On the wall, yes. -Oh, the wall, I see. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:27 | |
In 1649, Cromwell and his Puritan supporters | 0:35:28 | 0:35:32 | |
had just overthrown King Charles I. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:34 | |
Then Cromwell turned his attention to Ireland and Drogheda, | 0:35:36 | 0:35:39 | |
a vital port that was supporting the King. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
These are the medieval town walls. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:45 | |
-Old Drogheda here. -Yeah. You're inside the town walls. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:49 | |
And who was inside? | 0:35:49 | 0:35:50 | |
Royalists. This is essentially an extension of the English Civil War. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:55 | |
Why did he want to take Drogheda, then? | 0:35:55 | 0:35:57 | |
Because there was a possibility, a very strong possibility, that an army from Ireland | 0:35:57 | 0:36:01 | |
could have been assembled, could have gone to England, | 0:36:01 | 0:36:04 | |
and could have put the king back on the throne. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:06 | |
Cromwell and his 12,000 troops surrounded the town. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:10 | |
The siege went on for a week. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:14 | |
Cromwell brought in heavy artillery by sea | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
and pounded the defensive walls. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:20 | |
Eventually, they broke through. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:23 | |
-Do we know where the breach was? -Yeah, so there's a breach here. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:28 | |
So the wall has been... Well, it looks as though this has been | 0:36:28 | 0:36:31 | |
-rebuilt a bit. -It has. -So, this... The breach was from here to there. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:35 | |
Yeah, exactly. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:37 | |
So, if you were standing here, 1649, about five o'clock, | 0:36:37 | 0:36:40 | |
you would hear psalms being sung. You'd be walking on bodies | 0:36:40 | 0:36:43 | |
and you'd want to run, | 0:36:43 | 0:36:44 | |
because Cromwell is coming up with a bodyguard | 0:36:44 | 0:36:46 | |
and he means trouble. | 0:36:46 | 0:36:47 | |
Cromwell and his army entered the town. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:53 | |
What happened after that is what is still disputed today. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:57 | |
What is the conventional story of what happened here? | 0:37:01 | 0:37:04 | |
Well, like everybody is still being taught, | 0:37:04 | 0:37:06 | |
I was effectively told that Cromwell, this monster, this ogre, | 0:37:06 | 0:37:10 | |
this blacker than black individual | 0:37:10 | 0:37:13 | |
came to my town and killed, essentially, all the civilians in it. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:17 | |
And this resonated through my childhood. Everybody's childhood. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:21 | |
Not just in this town, but in Ireland. Anyone. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
He epitomises English oppression. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:27 | |
And what's your version of what happened here? | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
My take on that is that Cromwell came to Ireland, | 0:37:30 | 0:37:32 | |
encountered what was essentially an English town, | 0:37:32 | 0:37:34 | |
they took the English town | 0:37:34 | 0:37:36 | |
but they kept the battle in a military context. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:39 | |
You're saying that Cromwell was framed. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:43 | |
I'm exactly saying that. | 0:37:43 | 0:37:45 | |
He wrote a document in 1649, after Drogheda, | 0:37:45 | 0:37:49 | |
and ten times in that document he says, | 0:37:49 | 0:37:51 | |
"Civilians are to be left out of the war." | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
It's all very clear. There's a mountain of evidence. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
Tom's version of events is controversial but fascinating. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:01 | |
Hatred of Cromwell and what he's said to have done in Drogheda | 0:38:01 | 0:38:03 | |
further poisoned the relationships between the Brits and the Irish. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:07 | |
Many Irish schoolchildren are still taught he's the devil incarnate. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:11 | |
Does this all matter, now, in the 21st century? | 0:38:11 | 0:38:13 | |
As I'm concerned, it's history. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:15 | |
All of these things happened in the past. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:17 | |
But, in Ireland, we are still inspired by our history. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:21 | |
We hold our nationalism dear to our hearts | 0:38:21 | 0:38:24 | |
and so we hate Cromwell. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:25 | |
If you take Cromwell away, what are we going to hate? | 0:38:25 | 0:38:29 | |
What's not disputed is that after capturing Drogheda, | 0:38:29 | 0:38:32 | |
Cromwell tightened the English grip on the rest of Ireland. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:36 | |
It was another 250 years before Ireland achieved independence. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:40 | |
30 miles south of Drogheda, | 0:38:46 | 0:38:47 | |
I arrived into Dublin, the republic's capital. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:51 | |
Irish nationalists were staging their own parade here, | 0:38:53 | 0:38:57 | |
organised by Sinn Fein, the republican political party. | 0:38:57 | 0:39:00 | |
It was nearly 100 years | 0:39:02 | 0:39:04 | |
since the Easter, 1916 uprising that led to Irish independence, | 0:39:04 | 0:39:08 | |
and they were beginning a series of events to mark the occasion. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:11 | |
This is an extraordinary story | 0:39:14 | 0:39:16 | |
and it's the story of the birth of a nation. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:18 | |
Irish nationalism, in many ways, has gone into the background | 0:39:21 | 0:39:24 | |
in the republic. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:25 | |
It's not front and centre in people's minds. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:28 | |
They've got other concerns | 0:39:28 | 0:39:30 | |
and this is part of a series of events that Sinn Fein are using | 0:39:30 | 0:39:33 | |
to try and reawaken that sense of Irish national identity, | 0:39:33 | 0:39:37 | |
of one Ireland. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:38 | |
At the beginning of the 20th century, | 0:39:40 | 0:39:41 | |
support for an independent Ireland was gathering speed. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:45 | |
By 1915, public meetings by members of the Republican movement | 0:39:48 | 0:39:51 | |
were banned, so they used the funeral of a revered activist, | 0:39:51 | 0:39:55 | |
O'Donovan Rossa, as a call to arms. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:58 | |
Today, Sinn Fein was staging a re-enactment | 0:40:01 | 0:40:03 | |
of the funeral, attended by party leaders. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:06 | |
It included a reading from a fiery speech by Patrick Pearse, | 0:40:08 | 0:40:13 | |
a nationalist leader at the time. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:15 | |
"We pledge to Ireland our love | 0:40:15 | 0:40:17 | |
"and we pledge to English rule in Ireland our hate. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:20 | |
"Life springs from death | 0:40:22 | 0:40:24 | |
"and from the graves of patriot men and women, spring living nations. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:29 | |
"They think they have provided against everything. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:33 | |
"But the fools, the fools, the fools! | 0:40:33 | 0:40:38 | |
"They have left us our Fenian dead | 0:40:38 | 0:40:41 | |
"and while Ireland holds these graves, | 0:40:41 | 0:40:44 | |
"Ireland, unfree, | 0:40:44 | 0:40:45 | |
"shall never be at peace." | 0:40:45 | 0:40:47 | |
As much as anything, | 0:40:49 | 0:40:51 | |
it was that speech that sparked | 0:40:51 | 0:40:53 | |
the revolution that led to the creation of the Irish Republic. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:57 | |
The Irish Free State was established in 1922, | 0:41:01 | 0:41:05 | |
but the revolutionaries had only won a partial victory. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:09 | |
The island was partitioned and six out of 32 counties, | 0:41:09 | 0:41:12 | |
Northern Ireland, remained part of the United Kingdom. | 0:41:12 | 0:41:15 | |
I suppose it's the events, the historic events, | 0:41:19 | 0:41:22 | |
and what's happened here that has inspired this sort of fervency in the extremes. | 0:41:22 | 0:41:26 | |
The sense I get here, though, | 0:41:28 | 0:41:30 | |
is there is still passion for nationalism. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
There is still passion for a united Ireland, | 0:41:33 | 0:41:36 | |
but there's not the fire. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:37 | |
Things are changing. Things are developing. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:42 | |
But the dream of the united Ireland, | 0:41:42 | 0:41:45 | |
I think, is gone, certainly for this generation. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:47 | |
The Irish government had held its own ceremony just a few hours earlier. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:55 | |
The Sinn Fein commemoration was a bit of a stunt, | 0:41:55 | 0:41:57 | |
but they need to keep the dream alive for the next generation. | 0:41:57 | 0:42:01 | |
The key event that freed Ireland from the Brits occurred | 0:42:06 | 0:42:09 | |
just eight months after O'Donovan Rossa's funeral. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:12 | |
In Easter, 1916, a group of revolutionaries, | 0:42:14 | 0:42:18 | |
mostly volunteers, | 0:42:18 | 0:42:19 | |
launched a bloody rebellion against British rule. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
Manchan Magan is a descendent of one of the leaders of the uprising. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:28 | |
We met up in the heart of Dublin. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:30 | |
So we have come to one of the most important, well, areas, | 0:42:31 | 0:42:35 | |
but one of the most important buildings in the history of modern Ireland, haven't we? | 0:42:35 | 0:42:40 | |
This is the Post Office. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:42 | |
This is the hub of any empire. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
This was where all telecommunications, | 0:42:45 | 0:42:48 | |
the telegraph came, all mail came. The only way you could control | 0:42:48 | 0:42:51 | |
the realms beyond your own front door was through this building. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:54 | |
If you could destroy this, | 0:42:54 | 0:42:56 | |
you could basically destroy the stranglehold Britain had. | 0:42:56 | 0:43:00 | |
On Easter Monday, 1916, | 0:43:02 | 0:43:05 | |
score of rebels approached the General Post Office. | 0:43:05 | 0:43:08 | |
One of their leaders was Manchan's great grand-uncle, | 0:43:09 | 0:43:12 | |
known as The O'Rahilly. | 0:43:12 | 0:43:14 | |
Despite being relatively untrained, | 0:43:15 | 0:43:17 | |
they caught the guards unawares, and seized the building. | 0:43:17 | 0:43:21 | |
So, when they came in here through the doors, | 0:43:21 | 0:43:23 | |
they knew they were most likely not going to leave. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:25 | |
If you're a tiny little group of volunteers | 0:43:25 | 0:43:28 | |
fighting against the might of a massive empire, | 0:43:28 | 0:43:30 | |
you all will be hung or executed at the end. | 0:43:30 | 0:43:33 | |
It's inevitable. | 0:43:33 | 0:43:34 | |
So they wanted a glorious blood sacrifice. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:37 | |
The rebels hoped to take advantage of the British Army being | 0:43:39 | 0:43:41 | |
distracted by the First World War, | 0:43:41 | 0:43:44 | |
but the British government sent thousands of troops | 0:43:44 | 0:43:47 | |
and heavy artillery into Dublin. | 0:43:47 | 0:43:49 | |
A Royal Navy gunboat sailed up the River Liffey. | 0:43:51 | 0:43:54 | |
The British responded with overwhelming force. | 0:43:54 | 0:43:57 | |
The gunboat was dropping bombs | 0:43:59 | 0:44:01 | |
and eventually it starts dropping bombs on top of this building. | 0:44:01 | 0:44:04 | |
The roof goes on fire and they decide, | 0:44:04 | 0:44:05 | |
"We need to get out of this building, otherwise the roof is going to fall in on us. | 0:44:05 | 0:44:09 | |
"We won't be martyred in a blood bath. We'll just be crushed by a building." | 0:44:09 | 0:44:13 | |
So they decide, "Let's try and escape the side door of the GPO, | 0:44:13 | 0:44:16 | |
"run down Henry Street into Moore Street," | 0:44:16 | 0:44:19 | |
but right at the edge there, there's this whole barricade, | 0:44:19 | 0:44:22 | |
with a Lewis sub-machine gun | 0:44:22 | 0:44:24 | |
and my great grandad, The O'Rahilly, | 0:44:24 | 0:44:26 | |
has his sword out. He's charging and suddenly he's ripped with | 0:44:26 | 0:44:28 | |
bullets from the shoulder, right down to the belly, right across and | 0:44:28 | 0:44:32 | |
he manages to crawl into a doorway here, on what was called Moore Lane. | 0:44:32 | 0:44:35 | |
It's now called O'Rahilly Parade after him. | 0:44:35 | 0:44:38 | |
And, slowly, he dies there. | 0:44:38 | 0:44:40 | |
As it was founded in blood, | 0:44:42 | 0:44:46 | |
you had an identity. | 0:44:46 | 0:44:48 | |
You had a real sense of yourselves. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:51 | |
Has that helped or has it been a hindrance | 0:44:51 | 0:44:54 | |
-or has it just been what it is? -Yeah. | 0:44:54 | 0:44:56 | |
Because the fight was so glorious, because it was led by poets | 0:44:56 | 0:44:59 | |
and leaders and idealists, it was a glorious fight | 0:44:59 | 0:45:02 | |
and then we became infused by the myth of that fight and that | 0:45:02 | 0:45:05 | |
did have bad results. | 0:45:05 | 0:45:08 | |
That led to the whole Northern Ireland question. | 0:45:08 | 0:45:11 | |
The strength and passion of the fight clearly was so potent that it | 0:45:11 | 0:45:14 | |
was like an intoxicating dream that has dizzied us all for a century. | 0:45:14 | 0:45:19 | |
And I worry, now, 2016, | 0:45:19 | 0:45:21 | |
that we're going to mire ourselves in the past. | 0:45:21 | 0:45:24 | |
Our only chance now, as a nation, as a world, is to put behind us these | 0:45:24 | 0:45:29 | |
ridiculous dreams of nationhood and struggles for nationality we had | 0:45:29 | 0:45:33 | |
and to try and become pan-global, sort of, human-focused. | 0:45:33 | 0:45:37 | |
The Catholic church was central to the identity of the new nation. | 0:45:40 | 0:45:44 | |
The future Archbishop of Dublin even helped draft the constitution. | 0:45:44 | 0:45:48 | |
Some say the republic became almost a colony of the Vatican. | 0:45:48 | 0:45:52 | |
But in recent years, the Church has been losing its influence, | 0:45:52 | 0:45:55 | |
largely due to a series of child sex abuse scandals. | 0:45:55 | 0:45:58 | |
Four out of five Catholics went to weekly mass in the 1980s, | 0:45:59 | 0:46:02 | |
compared to one in five today. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:04 | |
That's an enormous change for what was one of the most | 0:46:05 | 0:46:07 | |
conservative and religious countries in the world. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:10 | |
In May 2015, Ireland took the world by surprise | 0:46:11 | 0:46:14 | |
and became the first country to vote in a referendum to legalise | 0:46:14 | 0:46:17 | |
gay marriage, | 0:46:17 | 0:46:18 | |
despite fierce opposition from the Church. | 0:46:18 | 0:46:21 | |
I went to Dublin's LGBT film festival | 0:46:23 | 0:46:25 | |
to find out how this dramatic change came about. | 0:46:25 | 0:46:29 | |
Hello. | 0:46:29 | 0:46:31 | |
I don't have an invitation but I'm with him. | 0:46:31 | 0:46:33 | |
Is it OK to come in? Thank you. | 0:46:33 | 0:46:34 | |
The curtain raiser for the festival was | 0:46:36 | 0:46:38 | |
a film about the campaign for equal marriage. | 0:46:38 | 0:46:41 | |
I was with film-maker Anna Roberts | 0:46:42 | 0:46:44 | |
and festival organiser Ger Philpott for a gala screening. | 0:46:44 | 0:46:47 | |
It feels like this is such a colossal event in Irish history. | 0:46:49 | 0:46:52 | |
-It is. The nation was unified. -Yeah. | 0:46:52 | 0:46:55 | |
And when you see the response of people on the screen and why, | 0:46:55 | 0:46:58 | |
it's amazing and it doesn't get tired. | 0:46:58 | 0:47:01 | |
I've watched it quite a few times because it reminds me | 0:47:01 | 0:47:05 | |
of what happened that day. | 0:47:05 | 0:47:07 | |
The Yes vote won by a landslide. | 0:47:12 | 0:47:15 | |
Almost two thirds of Irish people voted in favour of equal marriage. | 0:47:15 | 0:47:19 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:47:22 | 0:47:23 | |
VOICE ON FILM: "..a message from this small, independent Republic | 0:47:23 | 0:47:27 | |
"to the entire world is one of dignity and freedom and tolerance. | 0:47:27 | 0:47:33 | |
"Liberte, fraternite, egalite!" | 0:47:33 | 0:47:36 | |
CHEERS | 0:47:36 | 0:47:38 | |
CHEERS AND APPLAUSE | 0:47:47 | 0:47:48 | |
There's a calm sense of celebration, I would say. | 0:47:51 | 0:47:55 | |
You've lived through quite an extraordinary evolution, | 0:47:55 | 0:47:59 | |
transition, whatever you want to call it, in Ireland's culture, | 0:47:59 | 0:48:03 | |
in its society. | 0:48:03 | 0:48:04 | |
Homosexuality was profoundly illegal here until very recently. | 0:48:04 | 0:48:09 | |
It was pretty awful. I was a criminal in my country. | 0:48:09 | 0:48:13 | |
I certainly shed a lot of tears on the 23rd of May | 0:48:13 | 0:48:16 | |
when the results were coming through. | 0:48:16 | 0:48:18 | |
Was it a victory for your community or was it actually a defeat | 0:48:18 | 0:48:22 | |
for the Church and for the old way of doing things and the old ideas? | 0:48:22 | 0:48:26 | |
I think it was a defeat for the Church in many respects | 0:48:26 | 0:48:28 | |
and I think because of the way society has unfolded here, | 0:48:28 | 0:48:32 | |
and the Catholic Church and the child sexual abuse issues, | 0:48:32 | 0:48:35 | |
people said, "Well, actually, no, thank you. | 0:48:35 | 0:48:38 | |
"We don't have to be dictated to. We can do what we want to do." | 0:48:38 | 0:48:41 | |
It feels to me like you stopped listening to the Church. | 0:48:41 | 0:48:45 | |
-Yes, I think so. -I think that's probably what it really comes down to. | 0:48:45 | 0:48:48 | |
They lost their grip on us. They lost their power over us. | 0:48:48 | 0:48:52 | |
If the Irish have that fundamental belief in the Church taken | 0:48:52 | 0:48:56 | |
away from them, is there a risk that they lose a sense of their identity? | 0:48:56 | 0:49:01 | |
No, I don't think so. | 0:49:01 | 0:49:03 | |
I think that the results on 23rd May showed that Irish | 0:49:03 | 0:49:05 | |
people are accepting. They're tolerant. They're embracing | 0:49:05 | 0:49:09 | |
and they're welcoming. | 0:49:09 | 0:49:12 | |
That's what Irish people are. | 0:49:12 | 0:49:14 | |
Who would have thought that homosexuality would unify Ireland? | 0:49:14 | 0:49:17 | |
I mean, that's pretty amazing. | 0:49:17 | 0:49:18 | |
Both homosexuality and divorce are now legal, | 0:49:19 | 0:49:22 | |
but the Church hasn't lost all its power. | 0:49:22 | 0:49:25 | |
It's the Church, not the state that runs most of the education system. | 0:49:25 | 0:49:29 | |
-CAR RADIO: -'OK, we've got music on the way from Westlife.' | 0:49:29 | 0:49:33 | |
Many think the Church has a role to play in defining Irish identity. | 0:49:33 | 0:49:38 | |
At a radio station on the outskirts of Dublin, I met broadcaster, | 0:49:38 | 0:49:41 | |
Wendy Grace, a spokeswoman for pro-Church group, Catholic Comment. | 0:49:41 | 0:49:45 | |
You are listening to the Morning Show on Spirit Radio. | 0:49:47 | 0:49:49 | |
That track is called Stars Go Dim | 0:49:49 | 0:49:51 | |
and You Are Loved on the Morning Show. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:53 | |
And our next guest is an intrepid explorer. | 0:49:53 | 0:49:55 | |
We're delighted to have him in the studio to tell us | 0:49:55 | 0:49:57 | |
what he's been up to in Ireland, Simon Reeve. | 0:49:57 | 0:49:59 | |
-How are you doing, Simon? -I'm doing very well. | 0:49:59 | 0:50:01 | |
Thank you very much for having us in here. | 0:50:01 | 0:50:03 | |
You've been to so many amazing places all over the world. | 0:50:03 | 0:50:06 | |
Tell us a little about why you decided to come to Ireland? | 0:50:06 | 0:50:08 | |
Ireland was, until very recently, | 0:50:08 | 0:50:11 | |
quite possibly one of the most | 0:50:11 | 0:50:12 | |
religiously minded, orientated countries in the world. | 0:50:12 | 0:50:15 | |
Church attendance across the board has completely plummeted. | 0:50:15 | 0:50:19 | |
I'm fascinated to know what is happening, | 0:50:19 | 0:50:21 | |
why is it happening, and are people who love the Church, | 0:50:21 | 0:50:25 | |
who are associated with the Church, are they worried about it? | 0:50:25 | 0:50:28 | |
Only last week I was in a church I'd never been in before | 0:50:28 | 0:50:30 | |
and, again, it was full. | 0:50:30 | 0:50:32 | |
And there was young people my age, so I'm often kind of perplexed | 0:50:32 | 0:50:34 | |
because I keep hearing about this kind of, you know, | 0:50:34 | 0:50:36 | |
declining figures and stuff, | 0:50:36 | 0:50:38 | |
but my experience has been very, very different. | 0:50:38 | 0:50:41 | |
I only got ten minutes on the radio and then our time was up. | 0:50:41 | 0:50:45 | |
Right, thank you for having us in. | 0:50:45 | 0:50:46 | |
-Can we go and have a cup of tea? -Yeah, we can have a cup of tea. | 0:50:46 | 0:50:49 | |
After you. | 0:50:49 | 0:50:51 | |
The Church itself says, "We're in trouble. | 0:50:51 | 0:50:54 | |
"We've lost a grip on the young, particularly." | 0:50:54 | 0:50:58 | |
It just feels like the tide has changed in Ireland. | 0:50:58 | 0:51:02 | |
The sense of what it is to be Irish has moved away from being, | 0:51:02 | 0:51:06 | |
"Well, we are Catholic. We are traditional," | 0:51:06 | 0:51:09 | |
to being something slightly different. | 0:51:09 | 0:51:12 | |
For so long, like you were saying, | 0:51:12 | 0:51:14 | |
the Church had such an influence in every area of life | 0:51:14 | 0:51:18 | |
that the pendulum has almost swung in the other direction, | 0:51:18 | 0:51:21 | |
where it's kind of the other extreme. | 0:51:21 | 0:51:23 | |
I wonder what our identity is in Ireland at the moment, actually. | 0:51:23 | 0:51:27 | |
I think we're kind of being absorbed into this globalised, | 0:51:27 | 0:51:31 | |
commercial world, where, really, do we have an identity that we can...? | 0:51:31 | 0:51:35 | |
They've swapped Catholicism for consumerism? | 0:51:35 | 0:51:38 | |
I think so, yeah. | 0:51:38 | 0:51:40 | |
Ireland's had a roller-coaster ride. | 0:51:40 | 0:51:42 | |
The Republic's been through a series of incredible transformations. | 0:51:42 | 0:51:46 | |
As recently as the 1980s, | 0:51:46 | 0:51:48 | |
a third of the population here lived below the poverty line. | 0:51:48 | 0:51:52 | |
In just a generation, it's been both a poor European backwater | 0:51:52 | 0:51:55 | |
and a tiger economy. | 0:51:55 | 0:51:57 | |
It's been devoutly religious and now commercialised and globalised. | 0:51:57 | 0:52:01 | |
As the world changes around them, what values will people hold on to? | 0:52:02 | 0:52:06 | |
I'm heading south out of Dublin now. | 0:52:08 | 0:52:10 | |
I am near the end of my journey around the island of Ireland. | 0:52:10 | 0:52:14 | |
But I've still got a couple more things | 0:52:16 | 0:52:18 | |
I'd like to see before I finish. | 0:52:18 | 0:52:20 | |
It's only about five miles from the outskirts of Dublin | 0:52:23 | 0:52:26 | |
to the border with County Wicklow and a stunning national park. | 0:52:26 | 0:52:30 | |
It's one of the most beautiful corners of Europe. | 0:52:36 | 0:52:39 | |
I was heading to meet someone who, as Ireland has changed | 0:52:43 | 0:52:46 | |
around him, has held true to his own set of principles and values. | 0:52:46 | 0:52:50 | |
I'm in the Wicklow mountains now | 0:52:51 | 0:52:53 | |
but I can't tell you exactly where I am | 0:52:53 | 0:52:55 | |
because I'm heading to a secret sanctuary. | 0:52:55 | 0:52:58 | |
Here we go. | 0:53:02 | 0:53:03 | |
Secret turn. | 0:53:04 | 0:53:05 | |
Aargh! Is it safe to proceed? | 0:53:06 | 0:53:09 | |
The only thing is the emus love... | 0:53:09 | 0:53:10 | |
-the newer, the shinier the car... -Did you say, "the emus"? -Yes. | 0:53:10 | 0:53:14 | |
He's waiting for you. | 0:53:14 | 0:53:16 | |
Willie Heffernan lives in this remote sanctuary with | 0:53:17 | 0:53:19 | |
a menagerie of rather unusual rescued animals. | 0:53:19 | 0:53:23 | |
So, this is your bit of paradise by the looks of it. | 0:53:23 | 0:53:26 | |
Well, it's my last retreat. | 0:53:26 | 0:53:28 | |
Where are we going? | 0:53:28 | 0:53:29 | |
To the monkeys. | 0:53:29 | 0:53:31 | |
To the monkeys? | 0:53:31 | 0:53:32 | |
-To see the monkeys, yeah. -Let's go and have a look. | 0:53:32 | 0:53:34 | |
-Monkeys, then? -Well, I got an e-mail... -Ah...! -It's OK. | 0:53:37 | 0:53:40 | |
WILLIE LAUGHS | 0:53:40 | 0:53:41 | |
-Oh, I'm sorry. -No, that's OK. | 0:53:41 | 0:53:43 | |
I did have a big breakfast, but... | 0:53:43 | 0:53:45 | |
Willie wanted to introduce me to his longest-serving residents. | 0:53:46 | 0:53:49 | |
There's Charlie. Charlie! | 0:53:52 | 0:53:54 | |
Yeah, he likes his treats. | 0:53:54 | 0:53:56 | |
He's an old-timer, you know? | 0:53:56 | 0:53:58 | |
Charlie is a black capuchin monkey who was used in laboratory | 0:53:58 | 0:54:01 | |
experiments for more than a decade. | 0:54:01 | 0:54:03 | |
15 years is a long time in the clink. | 0:54:05 | 0:54:09 | |
You mean Charlie was in a lab? He was being experimented on or what? | 0:54:09 | 0:54:13 | |
Yeah. Here, throw him a crabstick. | 0:54:13 | 0:54:15 | |
-Wave it to him. -Throw him? -Yeah. | 0:54:15 | 0:54:18 | |
Go for the big leaves. | 0:54:18 | 0:54:20 | |
Is that your action of throwing? | 0:54:21 | 0:54:23 | |
Well, I was waving it about. | 0:54:23 | 0:54:25 | |
This is the first time in my life, Willie, I've had to show | 0:54:25 | 0:54:27 | |
a crabstick to a monkey. | 0:54:27 | 0:54:29 | |
I know that might come as a surprise, but... Incoming! | 0:54:29 | 0:54:32 | |
Oh, nice. | 0:54:34 | 0:54:35 | |
Charlie and the crabstick! | 0:54:36 | 0:54:38 | |
Willie has set up Ireland's first and only monkey sanctuary. | 0:54:45 | 0:54:48 | |
He takes in primates from around the world, | 0:54:50 | 0:54:53 | |
most of which have been used in laboratory experiments. | 0:54:53 | 0:54:56 | |
-Here you go. Here you go. -Give Sam one. | 0:55:04 | 0:55:06 | |
Here you go, Sam. | 0:55:06 | 0:55:07 | |
The monkeys live on islands Willie's carved out of acres of bogland. | 0:55:12 | 0:55:16 | |
-I let them go past so they can relax. -There are monkeys everywhere! | 0:55:17 | 0:55:20 | |
He's an old-timer, you know? | 0:55:20 | 0:55:22 | |
Charlie's still on the crabstick. | 0:55:22 | 0:55:24 | |
He took me for a proper introduction with Charlie. | 0:55:24 | 0:55:27 | |
-So we're landing on the island? -Yeah. -Excellent. | 0:55:27 | 0:55:30 | |
This is Charlie's and Sam's island. | 0:55:30 | 0:55:32 | |
There we go. Look at this. Aren't they wonderful? | 0:55:32 | 0:55:36 | |
How is that after 15 years in a cage in the laboratory? | 0:55:36 | 0:55:40 | |
The transformation. | 0:55:40 | 0:55:42 | |
They screamed for six months when they first came, with madness, you know? | 0:55:42 | 0:55:46 | |
So they were completely institutionalised? | 0:55:46 | 0:55:48 | |
And controlled, down to the very grape, the very peanut. | 0:55:48 | 0:55:52 | |
-You set them free? -Yeah. | 0:55:52 | 0:55:54 | |
How many monkeys have you got? | 0:55:57 | 0:55:59 | |
There's 25 at the moment. I keep getting offered more monkeys. | 0:55:59 | 0:56:03 | |
You'd take more if you could? | 0:56:03 | 0:56:05 | |
Yeah, absolutely. I was offered 300 the other day, you know? | 0:56:05 | 0:56:08 | |
What happens to most primates, | 0:56:08 | 0:56:11 | |
most monkeys who are used | 0:56:11 | 0:56:14 | |
in laboratories and research centres when their time is up? | 0:56:14 | 0:56:19 | |
I'd say most of them are euthanized. | 0:56:19 | 0:56:22 | |
-That's the way it goes. -They're put down. | 0:56:22 | 0:56:24 | |
Yeah, yeah. Sadly, that's it. | 0:56:24 | 0:56:26 | |
Tens of thousands of primates are still being | 0:56:27 | 0:56:29 | |
used in laboratories around the world at any one time. | 0:56:29 | 0:56:32 | |
It's an enormous moral issue. | 0:56:32 | 0:56:35 | |
Many are subjected to horrific experiments, | 0:56:35 | 0:56:37 | |
often for our medical benefit. | 0:56:37 | 0:56:39 | |
-Hey, you can't have two. -Give him another one. -Yeah? | 0:56:39 | 0:56:43 | |
Oh, you can. All right. | 0:56:43 | 0:56:44 | |
No, you can't fit three in there. | 0:56:45 | 0:56:47 | |
Tell us how you keep the place going. | 0:56:50 | 0:56:52 | |
My old age pension. That's it. | 0:56:52 | 0:56:55 | |
-Are you serious? -Yeah. | 0:56:56 | 0:56:58 | |
That and donations? | 0:56:58 | 0:57:00 | |
Well, on food, yeah. We don't get any financial support. | 0:57:01 | 0:57:05 | |
-At all? -No, no. | 0:57:05 | 0:57:06 | |
-Willie, I hope that you don't think that I'm exaggerating... -No. | 0:57:08 | 0:57:10 | |
-..but this is the most extraordinary place I've been to in Ireland. -Fair play to you. | 0:57:10 | 0:57:14 | |
What you have done here is really inspiringly amazing. | 0:57:14 | 0:57:18 | |
Well, the monkeys tell me that every day. | 0:57:18 | 0:57:20 | |
A monkey sanctuary is the last thing | 0:57:23 | 0:57:25 | |
I expected to find on my travels around Ireland. | 0:57:25 | 0:57:28 | |
Jesus, I'll need a pint after all this! | 0:57:29 | 0:57:32 | |
He might be unconventional, | 0:57:32 | 0:57:34 | |
but the thing about Willie is that he just really cares | 0:57:34 | 0:57:36 | |
and in that, surely, there's a lesson for us all. | 0:57:36 | 0:57:39 | |
It's quite a blustery day, but beautiful. | 0:57:41 | 0:57:44 | |
I'm getting to the end of my journey around Ireland now. | 0:57:44 | 0:57:47 | |
But look at that view! | 0:57:52 | 0:57:54 | |
So, just over there is Rosslare. | 0:57:56 | 0:57:58 | |
That's where I started my journey around Ireland, | 0:57:58 | 0:58:01 | |
but this is where I finish. | 0:58:01 | 0:58:03 | |
I have loved Ireland and I have loved the Irish. | 0:58:03 | 0:58:07 | |
Being up in the north, of course, felt just like being at home, | 0:58:07 | 0:58:10 | |
but - shh, don't tell them - here in the south | 0:58:10 | 0:58:13 | |
feels pretty familiar as well. | 0:58:13 | 0:58:15 | |
History may have divided us, | 0:58:15 | 0:58:18 | |
but we're really pretty similar. | 0:58:18 | 0:58:20 | |
The Irish are a wonderful bunch and this is a beautiful island. | 0:58:20 | 0:58:24 | |
With the Open University, you can further explore Ireland's | 0:58:29 | 0:58:32 | |
rich history and culture. | 0:58:32 | 0:58:34 | |
To find out more, go to our website | 0:58:34 | 0:58:36 | |
and follow the links to the Open University. | 0:58:36 | 0:58:39 |