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'I'm going on a series of astonishing adventures...'

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Whoa!

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It's absolutely stunning.

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'..travelling along three of the mightiest rivers on the planet.

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'These rivers have given rise to some

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'of the world's greatest civilisations.

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'For centuries, we've worshipped their life-giving waters...

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'..and feared their awesome, destructive powers.'

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The current is a killer!

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'On these epic journeys I'll meet some extraordinary characters...'

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THEY GREET EACH OTHER

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'..and experience the very different cultures,

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'religions and countries that have emerged along our sacred rivers.

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'In this episode, I'll be travelling 2,000 miles along the legendary

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'Yangtze, Asia's longest river, from the far west of China,

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'to Shanghai where it flows into the sea.'

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Yay! We're over the Yangtze.

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'For decades, China's communist leaders tried to eradicate

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'religious beliefs and ancient philosophies.

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'But China's changed and this journey is a chance for me

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'to learn more about what people here now actually think and believe.

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'Following the Yangtze will take me into the heart of a country once

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'cut off from the outside world, but that's now being transformed.'

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Look at what we as a species are capable of.

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It's displayed here, I think,

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like nowhere else I've seen on Planet Earth.

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'There's no doubt China's growth in recent decades has been

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'remarkable, with hundreds of millions

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'of people lifted out of poverty.'

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I'm a bit taken aback, frankly.

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'But with prosperity, has come a search for meaning.

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'Are there faiths and beliefs here that can help influence

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'the path the country takes in the future?'

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Oh, flipping heck!

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What a fantastic viewpoint.

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It's breathtaking.

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Part of the reason I wanted to start the journey along this

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stretch of the Yangtze, because this is the first bend in the river.

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"So what?" I hear you say.

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Well, the Yangtze is heading south, this way,

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and really it should head out of China,

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but it hits these hills,

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this mountain range over here that's made of hard limestone

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that it just can't erode, even over eons of time.

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So the river does an abrupt about-turn

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and it heads thataway back into and across China,

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and, in doing so, takes water and civilisation

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and life to hundreds of millions of people.

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Without the river, without this bend in the river,

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China as we know it would not exist.

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'The Yangtze River basin covers a fifth of China's land surface

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'and is the breadbasket of the nation.

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'So crucial is the Yangtze to the existence of China,

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'that it features in creation myths about the country.

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'According to legend, it was a mythical emperor who used an army of

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'dragons to shape the geography here and turn the river towards China.

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'The local Nakhi people worship nature and the sacred river Yangtze.

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'Many still believe in dragon gods

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'that are both benevolent and terrifying.

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'At the Dragon Pool temple, close to the first bend,

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'I was meeting up with He Wenguang, a Nakhi musician,

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'who comes from a long line of local priests.

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'For thousands of years, powerful dragon gods

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'and the Yangtze River have been part of Chinese folklore.'

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Could you tell us a little bit about

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your beliefs in relation to the river?

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-TRANSLATION:

-According to Nakhi culture, God had two wives.

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The first wife gave birth to the natural world -

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the rivers, lakes, seas and all living creatures.

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The second wife gave birth to human beings,

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that's why we believe that man and nature are very closely related.

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So we always worship nature and worship the Yangtze River -

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these beliefs are the cornerstone of our faith.

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What powers does the dragon god have?

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The dragon god is responsible for the climate and the earth.

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If we offend the dragon god there could be a drought or flooding

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and the villages and fields would be destroyed.

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So we must worship and respect him

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so that we will have a good harvest and a good life.

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'The ancient city of Lijiang dates back to the 5th century

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'and is home to 60% of the Nakhi people -

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'one of China's many ethnic minorities.'

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I think it's this one.

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'Nakhi musician, Mr He, invited me

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'to his home the next day to meet his family.'

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THEY GREET EACH OTHER

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-Mr He.

-Welcome to my family.

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Welcome... That's nice. Thank you.

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-Hello!

-Hello!

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'Many Ethnic minorities in China complain they've been

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'marginalized by the majority Han Chinese people, who make up

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'more than 90% of the population.'

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THEY SPEAK IN OWN LANGUAGE

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'The Nakhi are keen to try to preserve their culture and beliefs.

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'Mr He's 83-year-old mother, Xiao Rulian,

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'is well-known locally.'

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Why are you known as the Nakhi Queen? How have you got that title?

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-TRANSLATION:

-I was put on this earth to sing.

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If I sang for three days and three nights I wouldn't even finish,

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maybe that's why people call me the Nakhi Singing Queen.

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'Mr He had invited friends over for a traditional singsong.

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'Some of their outfits appeared to have been

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'inspired by the Village People.'

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TRADITIONAL MUSIC AND SINGING

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'Many Nakhi songs express reverence for the Yangtze

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'and for the creatures that live on its banks, like the frog.'

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MUSIC AND SINGING CONTINUES

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You're going to chuck me in, are you? OK.

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I've got a slightly rubbish action.

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Are you saying I have to channel my inner frog?

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-TRANSLATION:

-Yes.

-OK.

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I can barely move like a human,

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so moving like a frog is going to be difficult, but...

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Down, down...

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-LAUGHTER

-She approves.

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Is that part of Nakhi culture?!

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LAUGHTER

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'The Nakhi are one of dozens of ethnic minorities in China.

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'Some have received help from the authorities to

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'preserve their traditions and beliefs.

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'But several groups, such as Muslim Uighurs in the far west of

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'the country, are campaigning

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'against what they see as state control.

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'Separatist groups claiming to represent ethnic minorities

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'have even launched deadly terrorist attacks.'

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There are a lot of issues with ethnic groups in China.

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In some parts of the country, ethnic groups have been

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agitating for more freedoms and even independence,

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and their behaviour is considered by the Chinese authorities to be

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a massive threat to national unity and thus national security as well.

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The Chinese state saw what happened in the Soviet Union

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when communism collapsed there and

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the Soviet Union fragmented into smaller states,

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and they are terrified of the same thing happening here.

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'One of the longest running campaigns for independence has been

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'fought by the people of Tibet, where the Yangtze originates.

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'In 1950, Chinese soldiers marched into Tibet,

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'and China has treated it as its own territory ever since.'

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The source of the river is generally agreed

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to be high in the mountains of Tibet,

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which is governed by China as an autonomous province.

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Many Tibetans and many in the international community

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as well would say that China has colonized and is controlling Tibet.

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'The Chinese government has a history

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'of blocking film crews and foreign journalists

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'from entering Tibet, another reason for us to start further downstream.

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'I travelled east, following the Yangtze, to a small historic site

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'close to the river and just outside the booming city of Chongqing.'

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I'm on my way to meet a guide who is going to take me

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across the rest of China.

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I'm meeting her at a sacred mountain.

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This must be Li Li.

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-Li Li?

-Hi.

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Hi.

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-Thank you so much for coming to meet us here.

-My pleasure.

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But where? You've brought us here, what are we going to see?

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Some beautiful carvings. Let's go.

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'Hidden in a gorge close to the river,

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'the Dazu Rock Carvings are some of the few religious artefacts in

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'China not to have been destroyed during communist rule.

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'Dating back to 650AD,

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'there are more than 50,000 statues hewn out of the rock here.'

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These are magnificent.

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This is quite overwhelming.

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So these are all representations of Buddha?

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Yeah. It shows how important is the Buddha.

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-Look at the fingers.

-Yes.

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Actually each posture of the fingers has a special meaning.

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What a beautiful sight.

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'Buddhism originated in India,

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'but flourished in China for centuries, until China's drive for

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'modernity in the early 20th century, and the rise of communism,

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'resulted in the destruction or conversion

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'of hundreds of thousands of temples.

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'Now Buddhism's making a massive comeback with

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'an estimated 250 million followers in China today.'

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The Sleeping Buddha.

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Look at this!

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Enormous!

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'In fact, Li Li is one of the huge numbers of young Chinese

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'who are once again embracing Buddhism.'

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That's...really spectacular.

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Beautiful, right?

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-Yeah.

-And so close.

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You're so close to the Buddha.

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And so close to the 800 years' history.

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-It's lovely to see how excited you are by it.

-Yeah.

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Did you choose to be a Buddhist, or did Buddhism choose you?

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I think both.

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Of course, I make the decision, I found the way,

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but I was attracted by Buddhism and finally persuaded by the Buddhism.

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So I could say Buddhism chose me.

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I think Buddhism is not just a belief or wish,

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it's a path to the truth of the universe.

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'The teachings of the ancient Chinese philosopher, Confucius,

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'are also depicted in the Dazu Rock Carvings.'

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This is a typical carving to show the Confucius' thoughts,

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how it applies to people's life.

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"Confucian" thoughts?

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Yeah, a combination of the Buddhism thoughts and the Confucius' thoughts.

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And, actually, both of them are not against each other.

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People just combine them to their life

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and also they think these two are connected to each other.

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The whole story is about how kids should take care of their parents

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-and should treat them good.

-Children should look after Mum and Dad.

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-Yeah. Yeah.

-That's what people can get - it's a little lesson.

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Yeah, actually it's a big lesson in China.

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You're absolutely right, of course.

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It shows that centuries and centuries ago,

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Confucianism and Buddhism

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existed together,

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lived together, worked together

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-in some sort of beautiful harmony.

-Yes.

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They are just different paths to the one truth of this universe.

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'The third great Chinese faith depicted here is Daoism,

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'which emphasises following the laws of nature.

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'That's also now enjoying a major revival.

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'The number of Daoist places of worship have

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'tripled in the past 15 years.

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'Historically, these three religions

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'and philosophies were known in

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'China as The Three Harmonious Faiths.'

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You think of China today and you think of an economic powerhouse,

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a place that is perhaps just a little bit soulless.

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A place that's less about personal belief

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and more about a production line.

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But Chinese history is full of myths and legends,

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belief and superstitions.

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The communists tried to wipe them out but it never went away.

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Communism is just really a short period in the history

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of a country that is profoundly religious and spiritual.

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'From Dazu, Li Li and I travelled to the nearby city of Chongqing.

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'Because of its position in the middle of the Yangtze

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'and the country, it's always a major transport hub.

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'Today, it's one of China's fastest-growing cities.'

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We're just coming into the megalopolis that is Chongqing.

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It's late, I'm going to find a bed for the night,

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but tomorrow we can head out and explore.

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HORN HONKS

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'Chongqing epitomises China's

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'dizzying economic growth in recent years and its rapid urbanisation.'

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Look at that!

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It's a bit like New York.

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This is my first experience of a new Chinese megacity.

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And I'm blown away.

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This country, it's not just advancing, it's advanced.

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It's not just rising, it has risen.

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Yay! We're over the Yangtze.

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We're doing what millions of Chinese migrants have done in recent

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-decades - moving, going to the city.

-Yeah.

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This has been one of the biggest,

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if not THE biggest, human migration in history.

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Millions of people going from the countryside to the cities.

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The population of this city is expected to more than double

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in the next few years to 20 million.

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'China was traditionally a rural nation,

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'but it's predicted that by 2030, China's cities will be home

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'to one in eight people on the planet.'

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-Here we go.

-Chongqing.

-Yeah.

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'This country has undergone an economic transformation

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'at ten times the speed of the original Industrial Revolution.

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'In the centre of Chongqing is the People's Liberation Square,

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'renamed to celebrate the communist conquest of the area.'

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Look at this!

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'Ironically, it's now home to a

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'roll call of international luxury brands.'

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I'm a bit taken aback, frankly.

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Is this the new Chinese dream, Li Li?

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Consumerism? Buy stuff? Have a new handbag?

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Of course, that's a trend of fashion.

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Especially when people get richer than before

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and they want to have such kind of products,

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just like international products.

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It means something to them, like their social status.

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Consumerism, it's almost an ideology -

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I don't think just necessarily here.

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Well, before, China used to be very poor

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and we didn't even have enough food to eat.

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So, you may imagine when people get rich,

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of course, first thing, they want to eat food and wear good things.

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It's really interesting, cos it's so easy to forget that,

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in living memory, this country has suffered famine.

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Yeah, but at the very, very beginning,

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you have to have money to buy food, to buy a house,

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but later on you have to find what is important to you.

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That's what I think.

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'There are more than 300 million middle class Chinese now.

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'They are the world's biggest consumers of luxury goods.

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'But it seems that even many of those who've obtained at least

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'a degree of material wealth want more meaning in their lives

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'than just the chance to go shopping.

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'Tens of millions are turning to religious faiths.

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'Near the centre of Chongqing, not far from the Yangtze,

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'a Buddhist temple stands proud among

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'the skyscrapers and shopping malls.'

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It's a bit hemmed in this temple, isn't it?

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'There's been a temple here for nearly 1,000 years.'

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Surrounded by skyscrapers.

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Actually, it looks fairly popular.

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It's quite the...little oasis, isn't it?

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-Mm-hm.

-Tranquil.

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This is a big, happy Buddha.

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'Although China is officially an atheist country,

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'surveys suggest up to 85% of people here

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believe in something - either spiritual or religious.

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First, we can light this candle.

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-Light the candle...

-Uh-huh.

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According to Buddhism,

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to light the candle means to light the candle of your heart -

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make your heart bright, and the bright can go to everywhere,

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especially the dark place.

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And then you can bring the light to other people in the world.

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That's the meaning.

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Then you pray.

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What do you pray for, Li Li?

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I pray for three things - the first, for my parents,

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the second, for all the people in the world,

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and the third one is for myself.

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Family, planet and self - I'll go for that.

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'As China's economy has grown,

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'so has the damage the country is doing to the environment.

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'When it comes to pollution,

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'China is one of the world's worst offenders.

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'And many people believe it will take more than just prayers

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'to save the planet.

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'On the outskirts of Chongqing,

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'Li Li and I met up with a couple of environmental activists.

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'They're monitoring the damage

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'modern China is doing to the sacred Yangtze.'

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Many aspects of daily life have clearly improved here -

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education, health care, the economy, legal rights,

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but the environment has taken a hammering.

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'This small environmental group was started by Yu Jianfeng,

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'with £10,000 of his own money.

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'He reveres the Yangtze, and says his activism is

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'inspired by China's traditional religious beliefs.'

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-TRANSLATION:

-In Chinese traditional culture, Daoism is

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the philosophy that is more focused on the environment.

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Daoism's idea is that nature and the human beings have to be in harmony.

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But, for people like us,

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who are activists, we are also encouraged by Confucianism -

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the Confucian idea that every individual is responsible for

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the state of the world and therefore must get involved in society.

0:24:020:24:06

That's a bit revolting, isn't it?

0:24:120:24:15

That is disgusting.

0:24:160:24:17

'This is domestic sewage and industrial waste water, mixed.'

0:24:200:24:24

Is this flowing into the Yangtze?

0:24:250:24:27

That's for sure.

0:24:280:24:30

This whole area is part of the Yangtze River valley.

0:24:300:24:32

Is this price of China's economic boom?

0:24:350:24:39

This is because there isn't enough supporting infrastructure to

0:24:410:24:45

match the city's rapid development.

0:24:450:24:47

The residential areas are expanding,

0:24:470:24:49

but the sewage system isn't keeping up.

0:24:490:24:51

'Water and air pollution are major problems in China.

0:24:570:24:59

'Some reports suggest half of urban water supplies aren't fit to

0:24:590:25:03

'wash in, let alone drink.

0:25:030:25:05

'It's a controversial subject for a

0:25:050:25:07

'new breed of environmental activist.'

0:25:070:25:09

Why do you do this? You must get a lot of hassle as a result.

0:25:090:25:14

For me, I feel very sad to see the rivers are polluted, very upset.

0:25:160:25:20

I grew up in a beautiful place with green hills and a clear river.

0:25:230:25:27

I believe we should protect these rivers,

0:25:280:25:30

so the next generation will still have a chance

0:25:300:25:32

to develop a close relationship with them and swim in them,

0:25:320:25:35

play in them and enjoy it.

0:25:350:25:38

I worry that the Chinese authorities,

0:25:460:25:48

like Western democratic leaders, think that we can fix this,

0:25:480:25:53

we can do whatever damage we want to the environment,

0:25:530:25:57

but science and engineering will be able to resolve it in the future.

0:25:570:26:01

But what if we can't?

0:26:010:26:03

What if the damage we've done, and we're doing still is irreversible?

0:26:030:26:09

Then we'll have left a completely destroyed environment

0:26:090:26:12

to future generations, and that would be completely immoral.

0:26:120:26:17

It's time we got out on the river, so we're heading to a port

0:26:330:26:38

and going to get on a boat.

0:26:380:26:39

'As China's boomed, so the newly-affluent middle class

0:26:460:26:49

'have started taking holidays around the world.

0:26:490:26:51

'But, of course, they're also exploring

0:26:510:26:53

'their own vast country and rich history.

0:26:530:26:56

'There's been a recent trend for taking luxury

0:26:560:26:58

'cruises on the Yangtze.

0:26:580:27:00

'We drove 300 miles, tracking along the Yangtze,

0:27:070:27:10

'to Wushan, to join one of the cruise boats.'

0:27:100:27:14

It's massive. It's like a floating hotel.

0:27:180:27:21

Let's get on board!

0:27:230:27:24

-This looks great, Li Li.

-Yeah.

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It's not even the biggest one.

0:27:290:27:31

'This ship has 200 luxury cabins and suites that can accommodate

0:27:340:27:38

'more than 400 passengers, paying upwards of £300 a night.'

0:27:380:27:42

I've never been on a boat like this.

0:27:510:27:53

Well, unless you count the ferry across to Denmark.

0:27:530:27:57

It's not quite like this.

0:28:000:28:02

So, last year they just started their journey.

0:28:060:28:09

-So this boat has only been going for one year?

-One year only.

0:28:110:28:15

-Are you busy? Are the cruises busy?

-Yeah, very busy.

0:28:150:28:18

More and more people here have

0:28:240:28:27

proper leisure time and money to spend.

0:28:270:28:29

It's estimated that a million Chinese people are now taking

0:28:310:28:34

cruises along the Yangtze every year.

0:28:340:28:37

A million.

0:28:400:28:41

Think how life has changed in the UK in recent decades,

0:28:410:28:45

it's nothing to how life has changed here.

0:28:450:28:48

When I was born,

0:28:490:28:51

this country was basically isolated from the rest of the world.

0:28:510:28:56

Within living memory, there were famines here.

0:28:560:28:59

Now look at it.

0:29:000:29:02

They come on board with their smartphones and fancy cameras,

0:29:020:29:05

dosh in the pocket.

0:29:050:29:08

Come on, hurry up. We need to go.

0:29:090:29:11

Well behind schedule.

0:29:130:29:14

'At Wuhan, the river widens,

0:29:180:29:20

'because we were joining a massive reservoir that's

0:29:200:29:23

'filled-up behind the colossal Three Gorges Dam, where we were headed.

0:29:230:29:27

'Water levels have risen by as much as 300 feet here,

0:29:290:29:32

'and the river's so wide and deep it's capable of accommodating

0:29:320:29:36

'ocean-going ships hundreds of miles inland.

0:29:360:29:39

'As night fell, Li Li and I naturally felt obliged to get

0:29:440:29:47

'a taste of the on-board entertainment.'

0:29:470:29:50

THEY SPEAK IN OWN LANGUAGE

0:29:500:29:53

HE LAUGHS

0:29:530:29:54

Should we share?

0:29:540:29:57

We're here to celebrate China's ancient culture...

0:29:570:30:01

..and I've been given a happy slapper and a lightsaber!

0:30:030:30:08

'Some people think of China as unfriendly and a little dour.

0:30:100:30:13

'Not a bit of it.'

0:30:130:30:15

Oh, people have been on the sauce here.

0:30:170:30:19

'I was proud to see there were some Brits on board,

0:30:190:30:22

'helping to get the party going.'

0:30:220:30:24

# Ole, ole, ole, ole

0:30:240:30:27

# Ole, ole

0:30:270:30:31

# Ole, ole, ole, ole. #

0:30:310:30:34

Look what you've started!

0:30:340:30:36

'The next morning, we docked not far from the Three Gorges Dam.

0:30:460:30:50

'We drove down towards the wall of the huge dam.'

0:30:540:30:57

That surely ranks alongside the mightiest of human creations.

0:31:020:31:06

Look at the size of that.

0:31:080:31:10

'This is the single biggest power station on the planet.'

0:31:120:31:17

My God...

0:31:170:31:18

'It generates vast amounts of hydroelectricity -

0:31:260:31:29

'the equivalent of more than half a dozen nuclear power stations.

0:31:290:31:33

'It's longer than 25 football pitches

0:31:330:31:35

'and higher than a 40-storey building.

0:31:350:31:40

'Since the 1950s the Chinese have built more than 22,000 large dams,

0:31:400:31:44

'but this is by far the largest.

0:31:440:31:46

'The government here says it's an engineering miracle.

0:31:500:31:53

'Critics say it's an unstable

0:31:530:31:55

'and unprecedented environmental disaster.

0:31:550:31:57

'Mao Zedong, the founder of Communist China,

0:31:590:32:01

'championed the dam partly because deadly floods here regularly claimed

0:32:010:32:05

'tens of thousands of lives, and partly because he wanted to

0:32:050:32:08

'prove to the Chinese people that he had the right to rule.'

0:32:080:32:12

In China, there's something called the Mandate of Heaven,

0:32:150:32:17

and this is the idea that, for centuries,

0:32:170:32:21

Chinese leaders rule with the acceptance and mandate

0:32:210:32:26

of the heavens, of the gods, of the spirit world, of the ancestors.

0:32:260:32:29

And any threat to that mandate, any challenge to that mandate can

0:32:290:32:35

come from things like an earthquake or a flood,

0:32:350:32:38

because it suggests that the spirit world is somehow unhappy with

0:32:380:32:42

the leaders in the real, physical world.

0:32:420:32:45

'If Mao could build this giant edifice,

0:32:480:32:50

'he could prove that the Communist Party could conquer nature,

0:32:500:32:53

'and that it was greater and more powerful than China's ancient gods.'

0:32:530:32:57

We're being allowed onto the top of the dam. Hopefully.

0:32:580:33:03

This is a sensitive, strategic location,

0:33:130:33:15

because consequences of the dam being breached

0:33:150:33:19

could be catastrophic.

0:33:190:33:20

'Mao didn't live to see the dam built and it wasn't finished

0:33:260:33:30

'and fully functional until 2012.'

0:33:300:33:32

Yangtze River.

0:33:420:33:43

Wow.

0:33:430:33:45

Look at that.

0:33:450:33:46

It's an inland sea.

0:33:470:33:49

I think 13 cities, hundreds of towns,

0:33:560:34:01

hundreds of thousands of people were displaced to make way for this.

0:34:010:34:08

This lake, the reservoir behind the dam,

0:34:090:34:13

stretches back almost the length of England.

0:34:130:34:16

Something like 10% of the population of the planet live in the basin,

0:34:200:34:26

the wider area around the Yangtze River.

0:34:260:34:30

That is how important this water, this river is.

0:34:300:34:35

And if we just come over here,

0:34:380:34:39

look at what we, as a species, are capable of.

0:34:390:34:42

This is...

0:34:440:34:45

It's displayed here, I think,

0:34:450:34:47

like nowhere else I've seen...on Planet Earth really.

0:34:470:34:50

They have blocked, tamed, controlled the Yangtze.

0:34:530:34:59

And look over here.

0:34:590:35:00

It's like looking off the side of a mountain.

0:35:020:35:04

Li Li's smiling. You proud?

0:35:080:35:10

Yes. Why not?

0:35:100:35:12

I'm proud of it.

0:35:120:35:14

Of course there have been enormous environmental

0:35:140:35:16

and human costs to this dam.

0:35:160:35:20

-Yes.

-I don't think we know our limits.

0:35:200:35:22

Yeah, well, I don't think we fully understand nature.

0:35:240:35:29

That's absolutely fascinating because here, I suppose, in China,

0:35:290:35:33

we're confronted, I feel, by the two biggest questions or issues

0:35:330:35:39

facing us as a species - how do we make poorer people richer?

0:35:390:35:45

How do we lift them out of poverty,

0:35:450:35:47

while at the same time protecting the environment?

0:35:470:35:51

And on rivers, on our sacred rivers, on our mightiest rivers,

0:35:510:35:56

we see this issue displayed time and time again.

0:35:560:36:00

I feel people are more and more aware of this issue.

0:36:020:36:04

Cos in the past 20 years,

0:36:040:36:08

Chinese people were really focusing on, you now,

0:36:080:36:10

develop the economy and get rid of the poverty.

0:36:100:36:14

And, nowadays, lots of people really start to watch the long,

0:36:140:36:18

long-term consequences and the environmental protections,

0:36:180:36:22

natures for the next generation.

0:36:220:36:24

I really hope so, Li Li.

0:36:240:36:26

I have to hope and pray that there is this growing environmental

0:36:260:36:30

awareness in China.

0:36:300:36:32

Not just for China, but for us all.

0:36:320:36:34

'From the Three Gorges Dam, we followed

0:36:390:36:41

'the Yangtze for over 200 miles to the city of Wuhan.

0:36:410:36:45

'Mao apparently thought of religion and faith as poison,

0:36:520:36:55

'but he still wanted to prove that he had the right to rule,

0:36:550:36:58

'the communist equivalent of the Mandate of Heaven,

0:36:580:37:01

'the blessing of the spirit world.

0:37:010:37:03

'One way he chose to do this was by swimming

0:37:060:37:09

'the breadth of the Yangtze at Wuhan, where it was considered to

0:37:090:37:12

'be at its most dangerous,

0:37:120:37:13

'because of fierce currents and deadly floods.

0:37:130:37:16

'I met up with Yu Guanrong

0:37:250:37:27

'who runs a local swimming club that trains in the river

0:37:270:37:30

'and celebrates the anniversary of Mao's swim every summer.'

0:37:300:37:33

Mr Yu, why do you do this, why do you swim in the Yangtze?

0:37:370:37:40

-TRANSLATION:

-We Wuhan people crossed the Yangtze River, are obsessed with

0:37:420:37:46

crossing the river, because Chairman Mao crossed it 17 times here.

0:37:460:37:50

That makes us love the river.

0:37:500:37:53

I dare say that there isn't any other world leader who has

0:37:530:37:55

crossed rivers like this.

0:37:550:37:57

This is unique, number one.

0:37:570:37:59

What's this chap got?

0:38:020:38:03

He's a calligrapher, a great artist.

0:38:050:38:07

Chairman Mao was a great calligrapher, too.

0:38:080:38:11

"China and British friendly."

0:38:120:38:14

Let us hope so. That's rather lovely.

0:38:150:38:17

'Perhaps inevitably, I'd been volunteered

0:38:200:38:23

'to take part in the practice swim in the freezing waters.'

0:38:230:38:26

This should inspire a bit of confidence - rescue team.

0:38:290:38:32

He's abseiling, but, you know...

0:38:320:38:34

He does mountaineering as well - he's climbed Everest.

0:38:340:38:36

He's been about. He'll look after us.

0:38:360:38:38

SHIP'S HORN BLARES

0:38:380:38:40

Are you expecting me to wear this?

0:38:430:38:47

Why have I been given this?

0:38:490:38:51

That's to protect him against the sun.

0:38:510:38:53

I don't like what Mr Yu is planning here.

0:38:530:38:55

This does not look even vaguely acceptable.

0:38:580:39:02

Surely this is illegal in China.

0:39:020:39:03

Just don't leave me alone with Mr Yu, OK?

0:39:060:39:08

This is quite possibly one of the most embarrassing things I've done.

0:39:130:39:16

This is like being in a zoo - look around.

0:39:160:39:19

THEY SHOUT GREETINGS

0:39:240:39:26

Let's take a dip in the Yangtze.

0:39:260:39:29

It's for you?

0:39:300:39:32

I have to go first?

0:39:380:39:40

OK. Across the Yangtze!

0:39:420:39:44

CHEERING

0:39:440:39:47

It's very refreshing!

0:39:540:39:57

'Mao's swim across the Yangtze here was a clever bit of publicity

0:40:050:40:08

'that helped his strongman image.

0:40:080:40:10

'President Putin does these sort of stunts all the time, of course.

0:40:120:40:16

'I was only supposed to be pottering around, having a quick dip.'

0:40:170:40:21

The current here is astonishing.

0:40:230:40:25

I'm really feeling the power of it.

0:40:270:40:29

'But after ten minutes or so,

0:40:310:40:32

'I found myself a third of the way across.

0:40:320:40:34

'A mad thought struck me.

0:40:340:40:36

'Meanwhile, Mr Yu was getting a bit chilly.'

0:40:380:40:40

Mr Yu seems to be getting out of the river

0:40:400:40:43

and I'm just left here with the rescue swimmers.

0:40:430:40:46

'With stronger swimmers around me and our crew boat alongside,

0:40:490:40:53

'I thought I was safe to keep going.

0:40:530:40:55

'I hadn't realised just how busy the dangerous shipping channel

0:40:550:40:58

'could be, and there were a few near-misses with passing freighters.'

0:40:580:41:02

I bet they stopped the shipping for Chairman Mao!

0:41:050:41:08

'Mr Yu seemed to be relaying the highlights of my ordeal

0:41:150:41:18

'to his missus over the phone.'

0:41:180:41:19

My hands are so cold.

0:41:220:41:24

I don't feel like I'm making any progress.

0:41:260:41:29

The current's too strong.

0:41:300:41:31

Where?

0:41:350:41:37

WOMAN SPEAKS IN OWN LANGUAGE

0:41:390:41:40

'Mao swam the Yangtze several times.

0:41:420:41:44

'If I could do it, it can't be the toughest swim.

0:41:440:41:46

'But the last time he swam the river was in 1966,

0:41:460:41:49

'when he was 72 years old.

0:41:490:41:51

'It might seem surprising now, but his feats really did help him

0:41:510:41:55

'to take and keep control of the country.'

0:41:550:41:58

I swam the Yangtze!

0:41:580:42:00

'Many historians have concluded

0:42:060:42:08

'that Mao was a monster to rival Stalin or Hitler.

0:42:080:42:11

'Tens of millions perished under his rule.

0:42:130:42:16

'He wanted to obliterate Chinese culture,

0:42:160:42:19

'destroying traditional faiths and religious beliefs.

0:42:190:42:23

'He remains a complicated figure in China today.'

0:42:230:42:25

What do most people in China think of Chairman Mao?

0:42:270:42:31

Is he seen as a controversial figure at all,

0:42:310:42:33

or is he generally seen as the creator of modern China?

0:42:330:42:38

Well, two sides.

0:42:380:42:40

On one side, people still think he is a national hero

0:42:400:42:46

and he is a great person in Chinese history.

0:42:460:42:49

On the other side, I think today,

0:42:490:42:52

China's people also talk about the mistakes he made.

0:42:520:42:58

It's more and more open for people to talk about this.

0:42:580:43:01

'After Mao's death in 1976, China's leaders were able to start

0:43:030:43:07

'slowly reforming the economy.

0:43:070:43:09

'And, in recent years, the Chinese have begun rediscovering the more

0:43:090:43:12

'spiritual and philosophical side to their lives, which Mao

0:43:120:43:16

'and communism sought to suppress.'

0:43:160:43:18

The sense I have is that faith and belief and tradition and custom is

0:43:190:43:23

something that a lot of Chinese people now are searching for.

0:43:230:43:28

Yeah, I think so.

0:43:280:43:29

Actually, we have so many years of history and

0:43:290:43:33

we have such great culture

0:43:330:43:35

and traditions that never fade away from Chinese people's lives.

0:43:350:43:39

We still respect our ancestor.

0:43:410:43:43

We respect our philosophies and religion.

0:43:430:43:47

I think that's great things.

0:43:470:43:49

'From Wuhan, we travelled another 300 miles east to Nanjing,

0:43:590:44:03

'a former capital of China right on the Yangtze.'

0:44:030:44:05

We've just come to a viewing platform next to a bridge over

0:44:070:44:11

the Yangtze, because we are heading...into the city of Nanjing.

0:44:110:44:18

'In the 1930s, this city, then known as Nanking,

0:44:240:44:27

'was invaded by the Japanese,

0:44:270:44:28

'who carried out a notorious massacre here.

0:44:280:44:32

'But nearly 100 years earlier, it had also been invaded...

0:44:320:44:35

'by the British.'

0:44:350:44:37

In the 1800s, China lost the so-called Opium Wars.

0:44:390:44:43

This was a particularly shameful episode in British

0:44:430:44:47

and Western history, when we went to war against China,

0:44:470:44:50

basically because we wanted to have

0:44:500:44:52

the right to sell the Chinese people drugs.

0:44:520:44:55

As a result of the Opium Wars,

0:45:000:45:02

this city and many others like it, were opened to foreign trade,

0:45:020:45:06

with large areas effectively under British control.

0:45:060:45:10

Christian missionaries also began arriving in the country

0:45:100:45:13

and it was said that Christianity came here on a cannonball.

0:45:130:45:17

'British and American missionaries used the Yangtze to access

0:45:230:45:27

'the interior of the country.

0:45:270:45:30

In the second half of the 20th century,

0:45:330:45:35

Christianity was ruthlessly

0:45:350:45:37

suppressed by China's communist leaders.

0:45:370:45:40

But it's now making an extraordinary comeback.

0:45:400:45:43

When the Communist Party took over in 1949,

0:45:460:45:49

there were thought to be about one million Christians in the country.

0:45:490:45:54

Today, there are anything up to 100 million Christians in China.

0:45:540:46:00

More Christians, in fact, than there are members of the Communist Party.

0:46:000:46:04

'By some estimates, there could be

0:46:090:46:11

'400 million Christians in China in 30 years' time,

0:46:110:46:14

'making it the biggest Christian nation on earth.'

0:46:140:46:17

What's this queue of traffic for?

0:46:220:46:24

'We'd arrived in Nanjing on Easter Sunday and we were

0:46:240:46:27

'heading to a newly-built church to see this phenomenon for ourselves.'

0:46:270:46:31

-You don't think the traffic's here for the church, do you?

-I think so.

0:46:330:46:38

This is a traffic jam for people trying to get to church!

0:46:380:46:41

Let's walk.

0:46:430:46:44

Hang on, that can't all be a church.

0:46:460:46:48

-The whole thing?

-Yeah.

0:46:490:46:51

It's like a stadium.

0:46:520:46:53

MUSIC AND SINGING

0:46:580:47:01

'This brand-new church can hold up to 5,000 people -

0:47:070:47:10

'most of the seats were taken.

0:47:100:47:12

'The service included a dramatic re-enactment of the entire

0:47:210:47:24

'Easter story, with some colourful dancing thrown in for good measure.'

0:47:240:47:28

OK. Now I see why they draw a crowd!

0:47:410:47:43

'It's now possible to be both a Christian

0:47:510:47:54

'and a member of the Communist Party.

0:47:540:47:56

'In fact, some government officials

0:47:590:48:00

'apparently think Christianity could help to protect

0:48:000:48:03

'the masses from the lure of selfishness and capitalist greed.'

0:48:030:48:07

Have you been a Christian for a long time, or are you a new convert?

0:48:080:48:12

-TRANSLATION:

-I was a member of the Communist Party in the past.

0:48:130:48:17

I also believed in God but I didn't dare go to church.

0:48:170:48:20

Later on, I heard that Communist Party members can go to church too.

0:48:200:48:25

Now even the Communist Party believes in Christianity.

0:48:250:48:28

'I was surprised to see that the re-enactment of the crucifixion

0:48:330:48:36

'inspired a really emotional response in people.

0:48:360:48:39

'After the service, I had a few minutes with minister Li Lancheng.

0:48:470:48:51

Thank you for letting us come and see the service.

0:48:510:48:54

So, people in China have said that with the rise of capitalism,

0:48:570:49:02

that China has become a tougher, harder place.

0:49:020:49:07

-TRANSLATION:

-With the development of the economy,

0:49:090:49:11

people are less connected to one another

0:49:110:49:13

and family ties are getting weaker.

0:49:130:49:15

Obviously, the church is very new. Were the authorities,

0:49:150:49:19

was the government, a help

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or a hindrance to you when you were building it?

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This piece of land was allocated to the church by the government.

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This church wouldn't exist without the government's permission.

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The government also covered some of the costs of construction.

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Can I ask how much?

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Did they pay a percentage, or can you tell us a figure?

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It cost £10 million and the government

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provided £3 million in total.

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In other words, just less than a third of the cost.

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The government paid a third of the money towards the church?!

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That's incredible.

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'The state will often support churches that toe the line,

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'but not all of them do.

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'There are thousands of underground churches in China that reject

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'state control and suffer harassment as a result.'

0:50:130:50:16

-So we're off to Shanghai!

-Yeah.

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'Most of the population here say they believe in something,

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'and hundreds of millions are

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'Christians, Buddhists, Daoists, or Muslims.

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'But religious Chinese are only

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'allowed to practise their faith with state approval.

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'This is still a country of control.'

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On this journey along the Yangtze,

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we've only really encountered the official religions in China.

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In the far west of the country, there are Islamic separatist groups,

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and many Muslims in China say they suffer oppression.

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And then, of course, rather famously or infamously,

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the Chinese state cracked down very heavily on the Falun Gong movement,

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which many of its practitioners see as being a spiritual or

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religious organisation.

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So if you are a member

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or if you're a practitioner of one of the official religions,

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it seems there is a lot of increased openness and awareness

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and people are turning to those religions.

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But if you fall outside that framework,

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then it seems you can encounter a lot of problems with the state.

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'It would take about four hours to drive the 200 miles

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'from Nanjing to Shanghai,

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'but on China's super modern bullet trains I hardly had time for a nap.'

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We're in Shanghai!

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'With a population of more than 24 million,

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'Shanghai is, by some measurements,

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'not just the biggest city on the Yangtze,

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'but one of the biggest on earth.'

0:52:050:52:07

Flipping heck!

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-It's like a cathedral.

-It's the biggest in China.

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'China could soon overtake America to become the largest

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'economy in the world.

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'So the moral and ethical values chosen by people here to guide them,

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'and, by extension, their country,

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'will have an enormous impact on the entire planet.

0:52:420:52:45

'It was our last night on the road, and Li Li wanted to take me

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'to one of her favourite restaurants.'

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-New Age Veggie.

-New Age Veggie!

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A vegetarian restaurant?

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Yeah, you will see something really different. Come on.

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I'm a committed carnivore.

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-It's not a Buddhist restaurant, is it?

-Um...connected.

0:53:090:53:13

-Really?

-Yes.

0:53:130:53:14

Very nice, Li Li.

0:53:220:53:23

Yes, we're right by the window.

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And menu on an iPad.

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Very 21st century.

0:53:290:53:32

It's just menu. Do you want to explore the new dishes?

0:53:320:53:36

I see. OK. So the dishes, they look like meat.

0:53:360:53:42

Stewed veggie pork balls.

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That's meant to be vegetarian salmon sashimi.

0:53:470:53:51

Looks quite real, right?

0:53:510:53:52

That looks pretty real.

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After this meal, you will...you will have more

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possibilities to become a vegetarian, too.

0:53:590:54:01

-Oh, you think so?

-Yeah.

0:54:010:54:02

You're looking to convert me to vegetarianism now, are you?

0:54:020:54:06

Um, we will see.

0:54:060:54:08

We should have the salmon.

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Is that the meaty one?

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Should we have that?

0:54:150:54:16

Yeah.

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What is the Buddhist connection here?

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Well, in China, most of the vegetarians are still like Buddhist.

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So being a vegetarian means not just care about yourself

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but also caring about the world, about Earth.

0:54:310:54:34

Is it a growing movement then?

0:54:360:54:39

Yeah. The number of vegetarians in China, going up very quickly.

0:54:390:54:45

I read an article that says today we have more than 50 million.

0:54:450:54:50

-Meatballs!

-Meatballs, yes. Xie xie.

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A veggie version.

0:54:580:55:00

Oh, wow!

0:55:000:55:01

That really does look like salmon.

0:55:010:55:04

That's really impressive.

0:55:040:55:06

I'm looking forward to trying this.

0:55:060:55:08

That's really good.

0:55:110:55:12

This is really fascinating, Li Li.

0:55:140:55:16

People worry about rising China, the Chinese dragon,

0:55:160:55:20

but actually, if half the country turns to Buddhism,

0:55:200:55:23

you're not going to be a much-feared military empire that many

0:55:230:55:29

in the West think it could be

0:55:290:55:31

if half the population are peace-loving Buddhists, is it?

0:55:310:55:34

Mm. Here in China,

0:55:340:55:36

we say this century is a century about the waking up of the soul.

0:55:360:55:42

Waking up of the soul?

0:55:420:55:44

-Yes.

-I haven't heard that ever before.

0:55:440:55:47

It's really interesting.

0:55:470:55:48

Thanks, Li Li. Cheers, m'dear.

0:55:500:55:52

Thank you for bringing us here.

0:55:520:55:55

It's been an amazing and a very, very eye-opening journey.

0:55:550:55:58

Thank you!

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'The waking-up of the soul that IS clearly happening here will

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'have enormous implications.

0:56:110:56:13

'This isn't just about religion.

0:56:130:56:15

'This is a transformation that will affect politics.

0:56:150:56:18

'It could help to re-define China's relationship with

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'the rest of the world.

0:56:200:56:22

'The next day, having said goodbye to Li Li, I headed out to the point

0:56:280:56:32

'where the mighty Yangtze finally flows out into the sea.'

0:56:320:56:35

As I come towards the end of the journey,

0:56:400:56:42

it's really clear to me that huge numbers of people in this country

0:56:420:56:46

are turning to religion and faith.

0:56:460:56:50

And the reason they're doing that is, in my view,

0:56:500:56:52

cos this country has advanced even further

0:56:520:56:55

and even faster than many of us in the West realise.

0:56:550:56:59

Hundreds of millions of people here have been lifted out of poverty.

0:56:590:57:04

Often, their material needs are being met, but now they want new

0:57:040:57:07

purpose and meaning in their lives

0:57:070:57:09

that neither communism nor capitalism seem able to provide.

0:57:090:57:13

Here we are.

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This is a sort of memorial,

0:57:260:57:29

monument, or just a marker, really, for the end of the Yangtze.

0:57:290:57:36

Ha-ha!

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Look! The end of the Yangtze.

0:57:460:57:48

You can see for miles, look - right out to sea.

0:57:500:57:53

Ah!

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It's been...an amazing series of journeys.

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It's been thrilling and surprising for me, actually,

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just how much I feel I've learnt from following these sacred rivers,

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about the cultures and the countries that the rivers flow through.

0:58:100:58:14

These rivers are polluted, they're battled over,

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but they're still life-giving arteries that support

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hundreds of millions of people.

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These rivers have shaped civilisations,

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and they'll continue to shape our modern world.

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