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Westminster Abbey is a flagship institution.

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It's right there at the centre of national life in this country.

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Westminster Abbey is the Coronation Church.

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The Abbey has been the place where people commemorate

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the great men and women of our history.

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Here was the origins of Parliament.

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I think of the Abbey as being an upbeat place.

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The most unusual phone call was from Michelle Obama's Secret Service.

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On a standard day we would probably process a thousand people per hour.

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Even though we are a massive tourist attraction,

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we still are very much a living church.

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Westminster Abbey represents faith at the heart of the nation.

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To think there have been people

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with their eyes turned in the same direction,

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towards worship of God in this place, for over 1,000 years.

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There's a feeling of a really Rolls-Royce musical setup here.

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Being the Queen's choristers, we really can't afford to let her down.

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Quite a lot I see people crying.

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When you sing, it brings tears of joy AND sadness.

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I do wake up every day and think this is a fantastic place to be.

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It's a thrill even after 17 years.

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Can you believe you've got that to look after?

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There's a tremendous sense of being part of something

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that goes back all those hundreds of years.

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Magnificent building. I feel like I'm part of history just being here.

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Boys, here, come forward just a little bit for me.

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Lovely. Now I can see you.

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I'm going to have the Dean and Chapter in the middle,

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so you're not to join up, OK?

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Founded by Catholic monks in 960AD,

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a church has stood in London on the banks of the Thames

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for over a thousand years.

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Today, it's no longer a monastery, and employs 250 staff

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and 500 volunteers to support 1,500 services

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and over a million visitors a year.

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Boys, best smile out, OK, here we go, looking to me.

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Thank you very much.

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That was the one for the police, now the Inland Revenue...

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The history of the Abbey reflects the history of Britain,

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and the seismic rift in the 16th century

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between Catholics and Protestants.

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This summer, the Abbey will be making a historic trip

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to the Vatican, to help heal this centuries-old divide.

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For 1,500 years the Church in England

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was part of the greater western Church,

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the Roman Catholic Church,

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and then 500 years ago it broke away,

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immediately over the divorce of King Henry VIII,

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but then the Elizabethan settlement under Queen Elizabeth.

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There was huge persecution on both sides.

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The Catholic Queen Mary persecuted Protestants.

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So this division took place in great rancour and anger,

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but we never quite lost faith in each other.

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We never stopped seeing each other as churches.

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Over the past 50 years, there has been a slow thawing

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of relations between the Church of England and the Vatican.

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In 2010, Benedict XVI became the first Pope

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to make a state visit to a British monarch.

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The congregation here represents the whole of Christianity

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in these islands.

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And the first Pope in history to set foot in Westminster Abbey.

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CHOIR SINGS

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When the Pope came here for the Papal visit,

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one of the things that was evident to me and to all of us

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is that he loved the music.

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And he was obviously very impressed

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with the quality of music that he saw here.

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What we never imagined at the time

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was that it would result in an invitation to the choir

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to go and sing at the Papal Mass

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in St Peter's Church, on St Peter's Day.

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Now that is extraordinary.

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The trip to Rome has added significance because St Peter,

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the first Pope, is also the Abbey's patron saint.

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How many of you have been to Rome before?

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The man spearheading the visit is the Abbey's spiritual leader,

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the Dean.

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He's come to the Choir School to talk to the boys.

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This is a thing that has never, ever, ever happened before.

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What you need to bear in mind is that one of the great pains

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for us as Christians is our division from one another.

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We love one another,

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and it's important that we show respect for each other's traditions.

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And that out of the pain of separation

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we pray for the peace of reconciliation.

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So our sense of being separate is a pain.

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It's hard for us, but we ought, in that sense of deprivation,

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to be praying for the gift of reconciliation.

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And out of all that will grow a great visit,

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and much more than that, will advance us together

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on that great road towards Christian unity.

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OK?

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So you're engaged in a mission of vastly greater importance

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than you can possibly imagine.

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Hello. Good morning. How nice to see you.

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And you.

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Jonathan Milton. Hello.

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-This is George.

-Come on in, George.

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The Abbey Choir School teaches up to 36 boarders

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between the ages of 8 and 13.

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During term-time, they sing eight services every week.

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The standard is high and throughout the year, the master

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of the choristers, James O'Donnell, holds auditions for new recruits.

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Voice Trial is a rather awful name really for a series of auditions

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that are designed

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to establish whether a seven-year-old boy

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has what it takes to be a chorister here.

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I am looking for somebody who has a reasonable way of already

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expressing themselves through their voice, through their singing voice.

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Who's got a bit of get-up-and-go as well, a bright spark.

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Somebody with a bit of resilience,

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maybe a slightly quirky sense of humour or something about them

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that isn't going to mean they're going to stand there like a pudding

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and receive instructions and just reproduce them mechanically.

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I want someone who'll engage.

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OK, lovely. Can you see the music there?

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Take a step back, so I can really hear you properly. Good chap.

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# Oh, for the wings For the wings of a dove

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# Far away, far away would I rove... #

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Lovely.

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George is just one of around 25 boys

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auditioned over the course of a year

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for a possible six places.

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About a year ago

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we met someone who had a nephew at the school.

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So we looked it up on the website,

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and we came to the open day,

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and it all started then, really.

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As we came out, and he said very seriously,

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having been taken off while we were talking to the headmaster,

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he'd been taken off by some of the older boys

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to see the dormitories and the other things.

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And as he came out he said very quietly,

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"I want to go to that school."

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He hasn't changed his mind since.

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And any boy who spent five years here

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as a matter of routine

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producing something which is outstanding every day,

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as good as it gets anywhere in the world, must learn the lesson

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that practice pays, and do something properly and you get results.

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OK, if I play you three notes at once,

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do you think you could sing those? OK? I'm sure you can. Just listen.

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It's all about just what you hear, OK?

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La-la-la.

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Yes. Do you recognise that sound?

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Do you know what it's called?

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What we call that chord?

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It doesn't matter if you don't.

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What do you call a bicycle with three wheels?

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-A tricycle.

-And this is called a... Does it ring a bell?

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-Triad.

-That it! Triad. Because it's got three notes.

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That's all it is. OK?

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It's not exactly complicated. Good.

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If George is selected, he'll start in September

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and spend his next five years

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singing at a professional level in a choir

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that performs for an incredible range of congregations

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that include royalty, statesmen and the world's religious leaders.

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The Dalai Lama arrives at the West Door.

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Today, the Abbey is welcoming

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one of the world's great spiritual leaders,

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the Dalai Lama.

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It seemed to me that it was important in itself to welcome the Dalai Lama

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here, that it would be a statement of our interest in the plight

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of the people of Tibet and the people in exile with the Dalai Lama.

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But more particularly it is a chance to recognise

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that he is a world figure promoting peace and reconciliation

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and mutual understanding, and that we could work with him.

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We recognise that the Abbey has a worldwide significance,

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and therefore what we do can be exemplary

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and can encourage people in other places as well.

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Your Holiness, it's a real delight and a pleasure to welcome you

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back to Westminster after almost 30 years.

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My beloved brothers and sisters, we gather from many Christian

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and faith traditions in this holy place

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for a moment of reflection and prayer.

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On behalf of the Dean and Chapter, I warmly welcome you all.

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Respected spiritual leaders, spiritual brothers and sisters.

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Once more I find this opportunity

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in this magnificent church, chapel,

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people from different religious faith sit together.

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And I think pray together.

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Is really wonderful.

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BOY SINGS

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Establishing good relationships with people of different

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religious traditions, whether it be other Christian traditions,

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as with the Roman Catholics, or other religions

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as with the Dalai Lama here -

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all of those are very important things for the Abbey

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to be involved in, I think,

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and this visit to Rome takes its part within that broader business

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of being friendly towards ecumenism

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and being friendly towards people of other faiths altogether.

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That's part of what we want to do, and it's part of our mission.

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CHOIR SINGS

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Absolutely wonderful. Extraordinary man.

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Extraordinary man. Really great. Thank you very much, everyone.

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Organising the historic five-day tour to Italy

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is the responsibility of Minor Canon Jamie Hawkey.

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Salve, buonasera...

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SPEAKS ITALIAN

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It's quite unusual to be organising something away from the Abbey.

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Most of our work here as Minor Canons is organising services

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that people will come to here,

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so we're extremely used to internal liaison

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and to external liaison with outside agencies, outside individuals,

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people who are going to come here for a special service.

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But it's quite unique to be organising something

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that not only is not in the Abbey and not in England, but in Italy.

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This isn't just the Abbey Choir

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going out to do a big concert in a concert hall.

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This is the Abbey Choir singing at a Papal Mass,

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at the Mass which is one of the biggest occasions

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in the Vatican calendar.

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Seven weeks before the trip to Rome,

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the Sistine Chapel choir is in London.

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In recognition of the importance of the Pope's invitation,

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they've come to the Abbey for a rehearsal.

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SPEAKS ITALIAN

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The Pope has stipulated what he wants from the two choirs together.

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He wants the Missa Papae Marcelli by Palestrina,

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which is one of the most famous settings of the Mass ever composed.

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Both choirs have sung the music many times before,

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so the challenge for the conductors, James O'Donnell

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and Monsignor Massimo Palombella,

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is to integrate their very different sounds.

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The Sistine Chapel choir has its own tradition

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which goes back many centuries,

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and of course inevitably they develop their own style of singing.

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And we have developed our own style of singing,

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which comes partly from the language we speak -

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they sing almost entirely Latin music.

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They sing in a very much bigger building, which means that

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quite a lot of their music

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is perhaps less complicated rhythmically.

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And they have a very direct sound.

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We have a slightly more demure approach.

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Good afternoon, and can I welcome to London

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our colleagues from Rome. It's very exciting to be singing with you.

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At the beginning of the Credo... # Da da da.. #

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HE SINGS

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CHOIRS SING

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For James O'Donnell, who himself is a Roman Catholic,

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the visit has a personal as well as a professional resonance.

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To sing in Rome with the Sistine Chapel Choir at a Papal Mass

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is going to be one of the most amazing moments of my life, I think.

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I'm really looking forward

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to singing to the Pope again

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and I'm also really looking forward to seeing the Vatican

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and the Sistine Chapel which I don't think I'd ever have seen otherwise.

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Seeing the Pope again, that'll be quite cool. I remember

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when the Pope came to the Abbey.

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That was quite a big ceremony.

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This is going to be even bigger.

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I'm really excited

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about the whole prospect. The Pope inviting us.

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It's going to be amazing.

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19 boys and 12 professional singers,

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along with the music department, the Dean, several members of the clergy

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and the press office - a total of 44 people will make the trip to Italy.

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The Abbey's governing body, the Dean and Chapter,

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has decided that the cost of the tour

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will be met by the Abbey itself.

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The man in charge of balancing the books

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is the Canon Treasurer, Robert Reiss.

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You can't have a medieval building like this without it costing you

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quite a lot of money to look after it.

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It costs about £11m a year to run Westminster Abbey.

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And nine-tenths of our income comes from the charges at the door.

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I think it's very important to say

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that we never, ever charge for coming to services.

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They are and will always remain free.

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So we're not charging people to worship.

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But if people are coming here as tourists to look at a place

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of very considerable historical attraction, we really have no choice

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but to charge them, because we have no other way of raising that money.

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My role is head of Visitor Services.

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I'm responsible for the 1.2 million paying visitors

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last year as well as the 600,000 worshippers

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that come into the Abbey every year.

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On a standard day, we would probably process 1,000 people per hour.

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We have quite a short space of time to get people in

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because of our statutory services.

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We open the doors around 9.30 most mornings

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and we need to be closing by 3.30, so it's quite a short day.

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During that time we would put 6,000 people through on a standard day.

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It can be more, and it can be less,

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but 1,000 people an hour is a very good rule of thumb we use here.

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There by the gate is Robert Peel who founded the Metropolitan Police.

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Robert's first name, short name, is Bobby.

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Now you know, London bobby is so-called after Robert Peel.

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The number isn't necessarily reflective of demand.

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It's controlled by how many people

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we can physically get into the building at any one time.

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Making sure that, a - it's safe for people to still enter.

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And b - that people inside are still getting the best possible visit.

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It can at times feel very busy in the Abbey,

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but we make sure people are still getting the most out of visiting us.

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We don't have an open revolving door policy.

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There are times when we have to slow things down just to make sure

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the people inside are getting the best experience.

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Excuse me, sir, there's no photography permitted inside.

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'Last year we were'

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phenomenally busy thanks to the Royal Wedding.

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In fact we were busy from the minute

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the royal engagement was announced, we started picking up.

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The two weeks after the Royal Wedding,

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the place was absolutely packed.

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Can I help you at all?

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I was just asking where Catherine walked down the aisle. Through here?

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She came through the big door.

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On the Royal Wedding day

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I had to press the bell to signal

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to the bell ringers to make sure

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they started the bells at the correct time when she exits,

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because we make sure that when they come to the door

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at the end of the wedding, that the bells are ringing

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perfectly at the right time.

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Part of my job was to communicate.

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We have a Morse code button

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because of course they're up in the bell tower,

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and I have a little button to press

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to make sure they start at the right time.

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That altar wasn't there. It's movable. It was moved

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Oh, I see.

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-She didn't hop over it.

-Yeah, I didn't know if she went around it.

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That staging and the altar can be moved

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-and we do that for all our big services.

-Oh. Right.

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Mollie Johnston is one of 20 marshals employed by the Abbey

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to ensure the smooth-running and safety of its million-plus visitors.

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Hello! Do you need any help at all?

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Everyone says no two days are the same, and it's absolutely true.

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One day you're at a Royal Wedding,

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next day President Obama's here.

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But then I'll be doing something different.

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I'll be interacting with the public,

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I'll be directing somebody to the bathroom, I'll be answering

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a question about a carving on a wall.

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You've got kings and queens buried here,

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you've got musicians and poets buried here.

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The Abbey itself is just somewhere that captures

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Britain through the years.

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Edward is actually interred up here in a shrine.

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His whole body in its entirety is within that shrine.

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I wouldn't call it like a religious experience, so to speak,

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but it's as close as you can get, I think.

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Tourism is the Abbey's lifeblood,

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and the most senior priest in charge of visitor welcome

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is known as the Canon Steward. In 2005,

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Jane Hedges became the first woman to be appointed to the role.

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Obviously if you're lucky enough to be a Canon in Westminster Abbey,

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I do wake every day and think this is a fantastic place to be.

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And I suppose for me as well, that tremendous, extraordinary feeling

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of, "Gosh, I'm the first woman to be here in this position.

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"and it's a historic moment."

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And when I was appointed there had been a feeling at that stage

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that it would be good to have a woman canon here.

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So although it is a very male place - and it is -

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at a symbolic level it's really rather important

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that there are men and women working together and to recognise that women

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have got as many gifts as men

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and therefore that they should be able to exercise them

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at all levels of leadership within the Church of England.

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Do follow me.

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Canon Hedges' role is based on a tradition that was

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established here in 960AD, when the Abbey was founded

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as a community of monks who lived according to the rule

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of the Italian saint, Benedict.

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In 1540, Henry VIII dissolved the monastery here,

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as was happening all over the country.

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But interestingly, once the Abbey was re-established as it is today,

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as a Collegiate church with a Dean and Chapter, some of the roles

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that had been taken on within the Benedictine tradition were retained.

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And it's the role of the Canon Steward today to make sure

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that everybody receives Benedictine hospitality.

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Benedict talked himself about receiving anybody that came

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to the monastery as if it was Christ himself.

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So we're just off to our volunteers' lunch which we hold annually,

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because we're so lucky here, we've got around about 170 people

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who help out in the Abbey and welcome our visitors.

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And of course one of the really important things

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about being a welcoming community

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is that not only do we make sure people get a welcome

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as they get to the Abbey but also as they're leaving.

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That we make sure that they're happy and know where they're going next.

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So this group of people are fantastic.

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170 of them will be coming to lunch today and it's an opportunity to

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say thank you to them for all that they offer to the life of the Abbey.

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'There have been some very lovely things happening this year,'

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apart from all the things to do with work,

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and I'd like, on your behalf,

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to offer congratulations to Steven, who got married a few weeks ago.

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And that's really lovely.

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But also, love is obviously in the air,

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because Mollie got engaged.

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One of the amazing things

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at the Abbey - last year we had over 1.25 million people

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paying to come in and go on a tour.

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We had just a handful of letters of complaint.

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And I think that's fantastic that we had so few,

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when we're dealing with so many people.

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That's largely down to the work you're doing,

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alongside our wonderful Marshals and Vergers.

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So on behalf of the Dean and Chapter I'd like to say

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a very, very big thank you to all of you.

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The Abbey is always looking for new ways to welcome their visitors,

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and to keep up with the demands of modern tourism,

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they embarked last year on their biggest building project

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for 20 years.

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The man in charge is the secular head of the Abbey,

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and former private secretary to Prince Charles, Sir Stephen Lamport.

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The Cellarium project is really important for us because

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it's been important over the centuries

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that Benedictine monasteries can look after their visitors properly.

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At the moment they have a coffee shop in the North Cloister,

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which is in the open air.

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It's cold, it's draughty, it's wet when it's raining,

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there's nowhere properly to sit, there's no running water.

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We make do with that in terms of offering people refreshment.

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This project enables us to do something much, much more than that,

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which is much more in tune with our traditions.

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What we're looking at at the moment is what is called the Cellarium,

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which was the old monastic store for food and drink.

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This will hold about probably 70 covers,

0:23:010:23:05

70 people will be able to sit here.

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They'll have a chance to eat and drink.

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Good quality, modestly-priced food is the objective.

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We're going to go down through here now.

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You see these great beams here?

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This actually was originally a flat roof behind the Chapter office.

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This is going to house a second part of the Cellarium,

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probably to accommodate about 50 people.

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This will give you views east over the Victoria Tower of Parliament

0:23:360:23:39

and wonderful views across to the West Towers,

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the Hawksmoor Towers of the Abbey. So you'll have

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this remarkable context in which to eat and to drink.

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The plan is, that keeping up momentum -

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the chaps are working extremely hard at this,

0:23:540:23:56

they're doing 12-hour shifts - we are hoping and planning

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that this will be very much open in time for the Olympics.

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The project is behind schedule because the builders

0:24:030:24:06

came across medieval archaeological finds which interrupted the works.

0:24:060:24:11

I was quite amazed by some of the findings.

0:24:110:24:14

In the Cellarium area they found an actual cold store.

0:24:140:24:18

A cellar we thought was a well, but it turns out

0:24:180:24:20

it was actually used for keeping meats and produce cold.

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There was an old brick well in the floor

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that no-one knew was there.

0:24:270:24:29

We had to do some exploratory work around the footings

0:24:290:24:32

and I was amazed to see oyster shells and fish bones there.

0:24:320:24:37

We thought someone had put them as a bit of a joke,

0:24:370:24:40

but it's actually in underneath there.

0:24:400:24:43

So in every shovelful, there's history.

0:24:430:24:46

As well as unforeseeable delays,

0:24:460:24:48

the builders have to work around the Abbey's routine

0:24:480:24:51

of daily services, and the great landmarks of the Christian calendar.

0:24:510:24:55

SINGING

0:24:550:24:58

Today is Pentecost,

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50 days after Christ's resurrection on Easter Sunday.

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It marks the moment when the Holy Spirit descended on St Peter

0:25:070:25:11

and the other Apostles, empowering them to spread the word of Christ.

0:25:110:25:14

Well, here we are, we see the Apostles, probably John,

0:25:140:25:19

I should think, in the middle and Peter there on his right.

0:25:190:25:22

And you can see the tongues of flame distributed on their heads.

0:25:220:25:26

And above, the Spirit as a dove coming down, and inspiring them.

0:25:260:25:31

And they went out and Peter preached confidently

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to all the people who were gathered there

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from all over the Jewish world, and gentiles as well in Jerusalem.

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And that day 3,000 people were baptised.

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So it's the beginning of the Church.

0:25:450:25:46

CHOIR SINGS

0:25:460:25:49

Pentecost has really caught the imagination of composers.

0:25:490:25:53

It's a very dramatic feast, its full of sort of a sense

0:25:530:25:56

of a surge of power, of God's power coming through the Church.

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Through the world.

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So the music can reflect that and pick up on those things.

0:26:020:26:05

For Pentecost, James O'Donnell has chosen a piece of music

0:26:070:26:10

that was written in Latin by an English composer, Thomas Tallis,

0:26:100:26:14

during the Reformation in the 16th century.

0:26:140:26:17

SINGING

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The use of Latin liturgically was very much

0:26:300:26:33

a bone of contention at the Reformation.

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Latin was seen to be a very distant language,

0:26:350:26:38

which made the words spoken only accessible

0:26:380:26:41

to those who were learned and had studied it.

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It's only quite recently that places like Westminster Abbey

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have been able to perform this sort of music,

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because of its Latin text.

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And the insistence that liturgical music in the Church of England

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should be sung in English.

0:27:020:27:04

In fact a few years ago if you wanted to do this music,

0:27:040:27:08

you would have had to translate the text and sing it in English.

0:27:080:27:12

This new openness to using Latin in Anglican church music

0:27:160:27:21

is a sign of increasing dialogue with other faith traditions.

0:27:210:27:25

The greatest church in the world is St Peter's Basilica in Rome,

0:27:250:27:31

which is where St Peter himself is buried.

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We'll be making a pilgrimage to the Shrine of St Peter,

0:27:330:27:37

just as the Pope made a pilgrimage from Rome to Westminster,

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to the Shrine of St Edward.

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So it will be, as it were, a return match,

0:27:440:27:46

and it will be a marvellous occasion for us.

0:27:460:27:49

We'll also be going to Monte Cassino, to the Shrine of St Benedict,

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so it's very exciting.

0:27:520:27:53

We're just coming up to the last few days before we go to Rome,

0:27:550:27:58

and I'm just taking the time to revise

0:27:580:28:01

some of the rehearsal we did a few weeks ago,

0:28:010:28:03

both with the Sistine Chapel choir and also our own preparations.

0:28:030:28:06

And trying to just go back over

0:28:060:28:08

certain things that emerged in our rehearsal together.

0:28:080:28:12

And some of us were singing "tibi dabo claves"

0:28:120:28:15

in a rather English way.

0:28:150:28:17

-It's going to have to be...

-ITALIAN ACCENT:

-"tibi dabo claves".

0:28:170:28:21

And particularly "caelo". "Caeolorum", not "caeol-oh-rum".

0:28:210:28:26

Don't let the vowel be plummy.

0:28:260:28:29

We're actually going to sing several settings of the text Tu Es Petrus,

0:28:290:28:32

or Thou Art Peter, You Are Peter.

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Which is a setting of the biblical passage where Jesus says to Peter,

0:28:340:28:38

"You are Peter and on this rock I will build my church."

0:28:380:28:42

OK. So you need to watch me.

0:28:420:28:44

# Tu es Petrus... #

0:28:440:28:50

There we are. That's just proved my point. And...

0:28:500:28:53

# Tu es Petrus... #

0:28:530:29:01

Then we wait another two.

0:29:010:29:02

'This is obviously an absolutely critical text'

0:29:040:29:06

for the papacy,

0:29:060:29:08

for the Feast of St Peter which we are going to be singing in Rome,

0:29:080:29:12

and even in the Abbey,

0:29:120:29:14

'we would have been singing

0:29:140:29:16

'a setting of Tu Es Petrus on that feast.'

0:29:160:29:19

-Then...

-THEY SING

0:29:190:29:22

That's it. You just have to be sensitive

0:29:320:29:35

to how they want you to do that.

0:29:350:29:37

Taking part in high profile events

0:29:370:29:38

is the business of the Abbey. None have been more spectacular

0:29:380:29:41

than the marriage of Prince William to Catherine Middleton,

0:29:410:29:45

but moments like these are punctuated

0:29:450:29:47

by more private celebrations.

0:29:470:29:49

Martin's at the front of the procession,

0:29:490:29:52

the Dean, Piper, Carol and your father.

0:29:520:29:55

The man organising the trip to Rome, Jamie Hawkey,

0:29:550:29:59

has a big event of his own to arrange.

0:29:590:30:01

When he gets back, he'll be marrying his fiancee, Carol Ripley.

0:30:010:30:06

They'll be the first couple to take their vows at the High Altar

0:30:060:30:09

since the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge.

0:30:090:30:11

Turn your right hand over.

0:30:110:30:13

No, Carol's right. You're the priest, you should know this by now.

0:30:130:30:16

-THEY LAUGH

-I just had a blank.

0:30:160:30:18

I think whoever's getting married, whether it's a Royal Wedding,

0:30:180:30:22

or a wedding like ours or a wedding at Gretna Green with two witnesses,

0:30:220:30:27

it's the same sacrament, the same utterly simple bond

0:30:270:30:33

of two people pledging, covenanting their life together.

0:30:330:30:36

Jamie, you lead Carol across.

0:30:360:30:38

Mm-hm.

0:30:380:30:40

-I take this hand.

-That's perfect.

0:30:400:30:41

So much of what we do at the Abbey is really based on precedent.

0:30:410:30:45

And the precedent for Minor Canons

0:30:450:30:47

when they get married while they're here

0:30:470:30:49

is that they marry in the Abbey at the High Altar

0:30:490:30:54

'and it's just pretty extraordinary for us.'

0:30:540:30:57

At which point, a verger will come from that side...

0:30:570:31:01

He's really good at this. Multi-tasking.

0:31:010:31:04

-..with a patten.

-Oh, yeah?

-Yep.

0:31:040:31:06

THEY LAUGH

0:31:060:31:09

Our wedding has involved so many members of the Abbey team

0:31:090:31:12

who are also friends. And so we sat down here with James O'Donnell

0:31:120:31:16

to talk about music, we sat down with my colleague Mike

0:31:160:31:20

to talk about how the service might work,

0:31:200:31:22

we sat down with the Dean for wedding prep,

0:31:220:31:25

'like any other couple going to a parish priest.

0:31:250:31:27

'My dad and I, and then my dad and Carol and my mum and I,'

0:31:270:31:31

went to France to get loads of the booze

0:31:310:31:33

some other friends then went to do a top-up run.

0:31:330:31:35

'So it's been a brick by brick building-up

0:31:350:31:38

'of what we hope is going to be a fantastic day for all our friends.'

0:31:380:31:42

We've done our best to cover all the bases

0:31:420:31:45

and we've got fantastic colleagues here who, you know,

0:31:450:31:49

if there's a problem on the day we can say,

0:31:490:31:51

"Do you think you can go and do that?" And they'll do it.

0:31:510:31:54

All right. Hugh could you...?

0:31:540:31:55

Make sure you put your name on it. Thank you.

0:31:550:31:57

The Abbey party leaves in the morning for Italy.

0:31:570:32:00

Their packed schedule includes the Papal Mass,

0:32:000:32:03

a recital in the Sistine Chapel and a pilgrimage to Monte Cassino,

0:32:030:32:07

the heart of the Benedictine Order.

0:32:070:32:09

I had seven in my case and now I've only got five.

0:32:090:32:12

Preparing the boys for the five-day tour

0:32:120:32:14

is the job of the choir school matron, Mair Hill.

0:32:140:32:17

I'm only missing one, Matron.

0:32:170:32:19

I've packed 19 suitcases.

0:32:200:32:22

The 20th is mine. I haven't done that one yet.

0:32:240:32:28

-I've got four pairs of socks.

-You've only got four?

0:32:280:32:31

I bought some spare ones, so if you're stuck for any

0:32:310:32:34

let me know, I've got some spares.

0:32:340:32:36

I'm sure I'll be excited tomorrow morning. I'm a bit tired today.

0:32:360:32:40

But no, it'll be lovely, it'll be fabulous experience.

0:32:400:32:42

For the boys particularly, I think.

0:32:420:32:44

I'm looking forward to visiting Monte Cassino.

0:32:440:32:47

I remember when I was about their age

0:32:470:32:50

watching a programme about the siege of Monte Cassino,

0:32:500:32:53

and being quite fascinated by that, during the Second World War.

0:32:530:32:57

So it'll be nice to go and visit it and see how they've rebuilt it.

0:32:570:33:01

We've got here and it feels wonderful to be here,

0:33:170:33:20

even in this heat.

0:33:200:33:21

And we're just, as it were, on the cusp of the two big events -

0:33:210:33:24

the recital in the Sistine Chapel

0:33:240:33:26

and the Mass with the Pope tomorrow morning.

0:33:260:33:29

The recital is a way for the two choirs being able to sing in concert

0:33:290:33:33

for the Cardinal Secretary of State and members of the Roman Curia

0:33:330:33:36

as well as for the Papal Mass on the Friday morning.

0:33:360:33:39

So it's going to be wonderful to have a concert moment together

0:33:390:33:42

and a liturgical moment,

0:33:420:33:43

and the principal focus of this trip is the liturgical moment

0:33:430:33:46

because we're liturgical choirs, but it's going to be wonderful

0:33:460:33:49

to share some of our musical heritage together this evening.

0:33:490:33:52

It's taken five months' planning to reach the Vatican,

0:33:520:33:56

the heart of Roman Catholicism,

0:33:560:33:58

where the first Bishop of Rome, St Peter himself, is buried.

0:33:580:34:01

The two choirs are meeting to rehearse

0:34:040:34:06

in the magnificent St Peter's Basilica,

0:34:060:34:08

the largest Renaissance church in the world.

0:34:080:34:11

James O'Donnell and Monsignor Massimo Palombella

0:34:130:34:17

are sharing the conducting.

0:34:170:34:20

HE SPEAKS IN ITALIAN

0:34:200:34:21

THEY SING

0:34:330:34:35

THEY SING

0:34:530:34:55

I think that the rehearsal showed that we had already met.

0:35:030:35:07

I mean, I certainly felt there were very few teething problems.

0:35:070:35:11

When you know what to expect

0:35:110:35:13

and when you are right there in the place where it's going to be,

0:35:130:35:16

the rehearsal takes a different life on

0:35:160:35:19

and a different kind of intensity.

0:35:190:35:21

So I think it felt as if things work on the way to having

0:35:210:35:23

finishing touches put to them,

0:35:230:35:24

but you don't want to do that until the actual service.

0:35:240:35:27

There needs to be a feeling that we haven't yet done it

0:35:270:35:29

and I think the sense of occasion when the congregation is there

0:35:290:35:32

and the Pope comes in, it'll be amazing.

0:35:320:35:34

CHOIR SINGS

0:35:350:35:37

It was great.

0:35:440:35:45

We had to wait a while to get moved around into our new places.

0:35:450:35:50

But it went really well and the rehearsing the music was really good.

0:35:510:35:56

It's very hot.

0:35:570:35:59

It's all going well. Rehearsal going well.

0:35:590:36:01

We're just having a tour of the Vatican Museum.

0:36:010:36:03

It's great. Hot. Very hot.

0:36:040:36:07

I love this weather. No, it's absolutely marvellous.

0:36:080:36:11

It's a little warm for the boys, but we're getting used to it.

0:36:110:36:14

One of the ancient titles of the Bishop of Rome is Pontifex Maximus,

0:36:140:36:18

pontifex being a bridge. And there's no doubt this experience

0:36:180:36:22

is a bridge between two cultures, between two churches.

0:36:220:36:26

And so tomorrow, when both choirs are singing at the Papal Mass,

0:36:260:36:29

there'll be a sense in which communion is not only deepened,

0:36:290:36:32

but on one level where communion is already achieved

0:36:320:36:36

because of that common worship,

0:36:360:36:38

a common entering into the depth of the life of God.

0:36:380:36:41

Father Jamie has had the lion's share of work on this tour

0:36:410:36:44

and has done a phenomenal job at organising today's rehearsal

0:36:440:36:48

in the Basilica, St Peter's itself.

0:36:480:36:50

Amazing, seeing their preparations for tomorrow's Papal Mass.

0:36:500:36:55

To be so close to the Shrine of St Peter,

0:36:550:36:59

whom everyone agrees is the father of the Church

0:36:590:37:04

and who's our patron saint at the Abbey,

0:37:040:37:08

it really is an honour to be here.

0:37:080:37:11

Now we're just about to re-group

0:37:140:37:17

and go into the Sistine Chapel this afternoon for a rehearsal.

0:37:170:37:20

This morning's positions, as close as we can get.

0:37:200:37:23

'We're giving a very private recital.

0:37:230:37:24

'The Secretary of State to the Vatican -

0:37:240:37:26

'who's the Pope's number two - will be here

0:37:260:37:29

'and some of the Papal household

0:37:290:37:30

'and some of the Abbey's delegation as well.'

0:37:300:37:33

It'll be a private thing

0:37:330:37:35

but we want it to be a memorable and a good musical experience.

0:37:350:37:39

THEY SING

0:37:440:37:46

The two choirs are rehearsing in the Pope's private chapel

0:37:540:37:57

surrounded by some of the most beautiful frescoes in Western art

0:37:570:38:01

painted between 1508 and 1512 by the great Michelangelo.

0:38:010:38:06

We've just been rehearsing in the Sistine Chapel.

0:38:140:38:18

It's meant to be informal, but it's not that informal.

0:38:180:38:21

And, well, it's amazing!

0:38:230:38:25

Glorious sound that they're making, the Sistina.

0:38:250:38:27

I'm loving it. Exciting and raw and gutsy.

0:38:270:38:30

CHOIR SINGS

0:38:300:38:32

It was marvellous. It was a bit like a dream.

0:39:130:39:16

I had to pinch myself a few times

0:39:160:39:18

and think, "This is actually the Sistine Chapel we're singing in."

0:39:180:39:22

It's amazing how we can merge the two sounds

0:39:300:39:33

and make one beautiful sound.

0:39:330:39:36

Singing with them is a really good feeling.

0:39:360:39:37

Especially in this beautiful place.

0:39:370:39:39

It's much louder and you don't need to sing loud here.

0:39:390:39:43

You just need to sing normally and it comes out massive.

0:39:430:39:49

THEY SING

0:39:490:39:51

APPLAUSE

0:40:140:40:16

It's amazing. Amazing to hear the two choirs combined.

0:40:240:40:28

And to see them sing together was really good, really good.

0:40:280:40:32

It looks like a sheet with a face on it.

0:40:320:40:35

And that's Michelangelo. That's him.

0:40:350:40:37

It's amazing thinking about Michelangelo

0:40:370:40:40

lying on his back on scaffolding to paint this

0:40:400:40:42

in just a couple of years.

0:40:420:40:44

They are tired, the heat is getting to them.

0:40:460:40:49

It's getting to all of us.

0:40:490:40:50

But they just turn it on, really, don't they?

0:40:500:40:54

They're just great. Yeah, I was very impressed.

0:40:540:40:57

Tomorrow's going to be one of the best days.

0:40:570:40:59

The most tiring day. I think we'll get up at 5.30.

0:40:590:41:01

The feast day of St Peter and St Paul

0:41:150:41:17

is the high point of the Vatican's year

0:41:170:41:19

and thousands are queuing for the Mass.

0:41:190:41:21

It will be celebrated by

0:41:240:41:25

the successor of St Peter, Pope Benedict.

0:41:250:41:28

After all these centuries,

0:41:310:41:33

to bring a choir such as that of Westminster Abbey -

0:41:330:41:37

which in a way epitomises the Church of England

0:41:370:41:41

and its role in English society, its independence -

0:41:410:41:44

to bring that choir and that community here to Rome

0:41:440:41:48

is an immense sign of how far we've come

0:41:480:41:52

after all the divisions and centuries that we've been apart.

0:41:520:41:56

It's remarkable that in the last decades

0:41:560:41:59

we've drawn so close together that we're now able to make

0:41:590:42:02

this gesture of friendship and recognition of each other

0:42:020:42:05

and this invitation is extended

0:42:050:42:07

towards the choir and clergy of Westminster Abbey

0:42:070:42:10

as a sign of recognition of our common baptism,

0:42:100:42:14

how much we have in common

0:42:140:42:15

and that we have much more in common than what divides us.

0:42:150:42:19

THEY SING

0:42:200:42:23

But today of all days, the feast of St Peter and St Paul,

0:42:310:42:35

is the feast day of Rome, St Peter and St Paul,

0:42:350:42:39

the great saints on whose leadership the papacy is founded

0:42:390:42:43

and so to invite a choir and a group of clergy

0:42:430:42:47

from a non-Catholic establishment on such a day as this,

0:42:470:42:52

to Rome to the Pope's Basilica, for his Mass,

0:42:520:42:55

is an immensely significant gesture.

0:42:550:42:57

THEY SING

0:42:570:42:59

Pax domini sit semper vobiscum.

0:43:120:43:17

-CONGREGATION:

-Et cum spiritu tuo.

0:43:180:43:22

Offerte vobis pacem.

0:43:230:43:25

CHOIR SINGS

0:43:270:43:29

At the heart of this two-and-a-half hour service is Holy Communion,

0:43:410:43:45

the receiving of bread and wine,

0:43:450:43:46

which Catholics believe to be the body and blood of Christ.

0:43:460:43:49

For the Abbey, this is a painful moment.

0:43:510:43:53

Non-Catholics are excluded from receiving communion

0:43:530:43:57

because of historic, theological divisions.

0:43:570:44:00

THEY SING

0:44:000:44:02

But this remarkable, historic service

0:44:070:44:09

culminates in Pope Benedict warmly greeting the Dean

0:44:090:44:13

together with James O'Donnell and the choir.

0:44:130:44:15

Boys, all right, make your way in now, please.

0:44:330:44:36

Thank you very much.

0:44:360:44:38

It went well. Mostly.

0:44:450:44:47

Entirely, actually.

0:44:470:44:49

No, it was great to see the Pope.

0:44:490:44:51

It was really hot.

0:44:510:44:53

I don't think I'll ever go to somewhere like it again.

0:44:530:44:55

The acoustic in that building is amazing,

0:44:550:44:57

but with all the people in there

0:44:570:44:58

it was quite difficult to hear yourself.

0:44:580:45:00

It was amazing but absolutely boiling.

0:45:000:45:03

Best buy ever. £4.

0:45:030:45:06

Oh, I can't really express it. It was... It was fantastic.

0:45:060:45:11

It was a sort of incredibly big, theatrical event,

0:45:110:45:16

slightly chaotic in times,

0:45:160:45:19

cos it just, in times, cos there's so many people and so much to do.

0:45:190:45:23

But, actually, really, it's a fantastic,

0:45:230:45:27

um...thing to be involved in.

0:45:270:45:29

I'm just, I'm rather reeling from it.

0:45:290:45:32

It was a powerful moment for me. Deeply moving.

0:45:560:46:01

I felt, during Communion, the pain of our separation.

0:46:010:46:07

Not being able to receive communion.

0:46:070:46:10

I think the pain of that we can offer as a small gift

0:46:100:46:17

towards the hope of reconciliation,

0:46:170:46:21

full communion between us in God's good time.

0:46:210:46:25

The news of this historic meeting is being tweeted around the globe

0:46:250:46:29

by the Abbey's own press team.

0:46:290:46:32

We've been sending out regular tweets

0:46:320:46:34

because we've had all sorts of lovely kind of access

0:46:340:46:37

to the Vatican behind the scenes

0:46:370:46:38

and we just thought it would be very interesting for everyone to see

0:46:380:46:41

that unofficial side of the visit.

0:46:410:46:43

So, yeah, we've been on our mobile phones constantly

0:46:430:46:46

taking pictures and posting them

0:46:460:46:48

and hoping that that's OK with everyone in the Vatican.

0:46:480:46:51

SHE CHUCKLES

0:46:510:46:52

It seems to be, so... And it's gone down really well.

0:46:520:46:55

Everyone seems to be following it.

0:46:550:46:57

Particularly, all our followers in North America

0:46:570:46:59

seem to be enjoying getting those posts.

0:46:590:47:02

After an exhausting three days in Rome,

0:47:080:47:11

the Abbey is leaving the heat and bustle of the city

0:47:110:47:14

to embark on the last leg of their Italian tour.

0:47:140:47:17

They've been invited to the Abbey of Monte Cassino,

0:47:190:47:22

the burial place of St Benedict,

0:47:220:47:24

whose order founded Westminster Abbey.

0:47:240:47:26

'The historic Monastery of Monte Cassino was the...'

0:47:300:47:32

It has an added poignancy for the British group,

0:47:320:47:35

because, during the Second World War,

0:47:350:47:37

the monastery was occupied by the German Army

0:47:370:47:40

and, after a long stalemate, in 1944,

0:47:400:47:43

the Allies destroyed the building.

0:47:430:47:45

'The rain of high explosives

0:47:510:47:52

'completes the destruction of the Monastery of Monte Cassino.'

0:47:520:47:56

After the war,

0:48:050:48:07

the Monastery was completely rebuilt by the Italian government

0:48:070:48:10

and today, a community of 17 Benedictine monks live here.

0:48:100:48:14

Benedict founded this order of monks in 529AD

0:48:570:49:01

and this is the first time in the Monastery's history

0:49:010:49:04

that their hospitality has extended to women and children,

0:49:040:49:08

so they've set up new quarters especially for them.

0:49:080:49:11

Welcome, this is your room.

0:49:130:49:15

Hugh, Joshua, come and look at the view.

0:49:210:49:25

This teddy's name's Edward.

0:49:300:49:31

I would normally take my other dog, called Doggy,

0:49:310:49:34

but I thought he might get left behind or I might lose him,

0:49:340:49:39

so I thought I'd bring him instead.

0:49:390:49:42

The men in the Abbey's contingent

0:49:430:49:45

are staying in the monks' closed quarters,

0:49:450:49:47

an area not open to women or children.

0:49:470:49:50

Magnifico, magnifico. Si.

0:49:500:49:53

Translation would be helpful, chaps.

0:49:530:49:55

-It's in the style of Grimaldi. It's a fusion of architects.

-Ah, OK.

0:49:550:49:59

Is this built in the same style as the previous monastery?

0:49:590:50:01

Yeah, it's a complete copy.

0:50:010:50:03

-Complete copy of the previous monastery?

-Yeah, yeah.

0:50:030:50:05

-Hi!

-Hey. This is fantastic. Wow, really amazing!

0:50:100:50:14

You got a bigger room than me.

0:50:140:50:16

THEY LAUGH

0:50:160:50:18

It's an accident.

0:50:180:50:19

You can have a proper party here.

0:50:190:50:21

It's extraordinary. How many...? One, two, three, four...

0:50:210:50:24

Yeah, easily, a drinks party for 12 in here.

0:50:240:50:26

Easily. Drinks are on you tonight.

0:50:260:50:28

I was expecting a kind of white cell.

0:50:280:50:31

-You know, that's kind of what you think of the cloister rooms.

-Yeah.

0:50:310:50:34

But I think that lots of people get confused

0:50:340:50:36

and think that Benedictines are like Franciscans.

0:50:360:50:38

-They're not. The Benedictines don't take a vow of poverty at all.

-No.

0:50:380:50:41

You know, they don't own anything themselves personally

0:50:410:50:43

but, whereas Franciscans want, you know, that very, very simple life,

0:50:430:50:47

for Benedictines, the vows are different.

0:50:470:50:49

They're far more ancient -

0:50:490:50:51

the vows of stability, conversion of life, you know?

0:50:510:50:54

I've never been to Monte Cassino before...

0:50:570:50:59

I've heard about it because of the battle and everything else,

0:50:590:51:02

but it's extraordinary to be here.

0:51:020:51:04

Not least of all to realise that this is all rebuilt after the war,

0:51:040:51:08

after terrible bomb damage to it.

0:51:080:51:10

And, I understand, all built by the State of Italy

0:51:100:51:13

and maintained by the State of Italy.

0:51:130:51:15

But it is the most extraordinary place. It's vast.

0:51:150:51:18

And it is such a fabulous setting. I mean, high up on this hill,

0:51:180:51:22

you can see why there was a war for here.

0:51:220:51:24

You can see, if you had big guns up here,

0:51:240:51:26

you would command the whole of the valley up to Rome.

0:51:260:51:29

Having now, all the time that I've been at the Abbey,

0:51:290:51:31

been more conscious of the Benedictine tradition

0:51:310:51:34

than I ever was before,

0:51:340:51:35

that means a lot to me

0:51:350:51:37

and to realise this is very much the heart of that whole tradition,

0:51:370:51:41

which I think is one of the most attractive parts

0:51:410:51:44

of the Roman Catholic whole setup.

0:51:440:51:46

I mean, the Rule of St Benedict was very wise,

0:51:460:51:49

was very balanced, was very sensible.

0:51:490:51:52

It led to very remarkable communities

0:51:520:51:54

that, in themselves, did some very, very good things.

0:51:540:51:57

And the quality of the rebuilding is amazing.

0:51:570:52:00

So full marks to the State of Italy, I think.

0:52:000:52:03

Even though they beat us at football.

0:52:030:52:05

HE CHUCKLES

0:52:050:52:06

There's something incredibly calming

0:52:080:52:11

about being in a Benedictine monastery.

0:52:110:52:13

I mean, the word written on the top of the door is PAX, peace in Latin.

0:52:130:52:19

And that kind of sums up this place.

0:52:190:52:22

So, it's a wonderfully decompressing thing to do.

0:52:220:52:26

And also, we're singing services with a Benedictine community

0:52:260:52:31

and because we're at Westminster Abbey,

0:52:310:52:33

there's something that feels right about that for us.

0:52:330:52:36

As a choir of a place which was once a Benedictine house.

0:52:360:52:40

So it's a wonderful final stage.

0:52:400:52:43

THEY SING

0:52:430:52:47

The boys have been wonderful. I mean, you know...

0:52:560:52:58

I take my hat off to them.

0:52:580:53:00

It's my job to give them quite a hard time, be quite demanding.

0:53:000:53:03

And I am, but I really,

0:53:030:53:06

I do have enormous respect for what they've done.

0:53:060:53:09

They've sung as well as they possibly could every occasion

0:53:090:53:13

and their deportment and their conduct,

0:53:130:53:15

and their ambassadorial representation of the Abbey

0:53:150:53:19

and what it stands for,

0:53:190:53:20

and the choir and what that stands for, has been really good.

0:53:200:53:25

And I will choose the right moment to make that completely good.

0:53:250:53:29

It's St Benedict who unites us.

0:53:320:53:35

I spoke to the Prior at lunch

0:53:350:53:38

'about the extraordinary feeling.

0:53:380:53:40

'And he said it is the grand "cuore di Benedetto" -

0:53:400:53:45

'the great heart of St Benedict who draws us together.'

0:53:450:53:49

HE SINGS

0:53:490:53:53

'The Rome and the Monte Cassino experience together'

0:53:550:53:58

will be for ever memorable.

0:53:580:54:01

But I believe they won't simply stand there.

0:54:010:54:04

They stand within

0:54:040:54:05

'a stream of relationship,

0:54:050:54:07

'of developing relationship,

0:54:070:54:09

'between the Roman Catholic Church and the Church of England

0:54:090:54:12

'and the Anglican communion more widely.'

0:54:120:54:14

But what is going on here

0:54:140:54:16

is profound friendship, mutual exchange,

0:54:160:54:20

and, out of that context, will eventually grow a reconciliation.

0:54:200:54:28

In London, it's the end of the summer holidays

0:54:430:54:45

and at Westminster Abbey, there's a very special event taking place.

0:54:450:54:49

The community is preparing for the wedding of one its own -

0:54:530:54:56

Minor Canon Jamie Hawkey to his fiance Carol Ripley.

0:54:560:55:00

Weddings at the High Altar are extremely rare,

0:55:020:55:04

confined to royalty and the Abbey community.

0:55:040:55:07

Yeah, last shave. A bit like the last rites.

0:55:100:55:12

HE LAUGHS

0:55:120:55:13

But not with such a fatal outcome.

0:55:130:55:16

When you think of what the girls go through,

0:55:160:55:19

this is virtually nothing.

0:55:190:55:21

I think he's had quite a busy morning,

0:55:210:55:23

cos there's been quite a few last minute things

0:55:230:55:25

he's had to sort out. But I imagine he's fine.

0:55:250:55:27

He'll be absolutely fine. He's a pro.

0:55:270:55:30

SHE LAUGHS

0:55:300:55:32

He does services all the time.

0:55:320:55:34

SHE LAUGHS

0:55:340:55:35

It does feel quite bizarre being on the other side.

0:55:350:55:37

But it's kind of good for a priest

0:55:370:55:39

to have that discipline, actually, you know?

0:55:390:55:41

For us to remember what it's like for other people.

0:55:410:55:45

I spent quite a lot of time trying to get the creases out of my dress.

0:55:450:55:48

Um, and out of the veil, just sort of trying to steam it.

0:55:480:55:53

We borrowed a steamer from the Abbey, which was helpful.

0:55:530:55:56

Looking forward to having a little glass of champagne

0:55:560:55:58

before we head off.

0:55:580:56:00

Unlike a lot of men, I actually quite like wearing a tie

0:56:000:56:03

and I sort of miss wearing a tie for formal things, actually.

0:56:030:56:06

So I thought, "Do you know what? On my wedding day,

0:56:060:56:09

"I'm just going to wear an ordinary morning dress, a morning coat."

0:56:090:56:13

I'm really looking forward to getting there now.

0:56:130:56:15

The butterflies are slightly swirling round my tummy.

0:56:150:56:18

BAGPIPES PLAY

0:56:210:56:23

'When we first talked about it, I did feel quite intimidated

0:56:270:56:32

'but when the Abbey did the trip to Rome,

0:56:320:56:35

'I went with Jamie and the rest of the choir

0:56:350:56:39

'and the community that went out.

0:56:390:56:41

'And so, that was great to get to know them even better.

0:56:410:56:44

'So, actually, I'm really looking forward to it.

0:56:440:56:48

'It's such a glorious place.

0:56:480:56:51

'And it's normally confined to royalty,

0:56:510:56:54

'so we're very, very honoured to be getting married at the High Altar.'

0:56:540:56:58

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God

0:57:020:57:07

and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you.

0:57:070:57:10

ALL: And also with you.

0:57:100:57:12

It's wonderful to hear the skirl of the pipes

0:57:120:57:15

here in Westminster Abbey,

0:57:150:57:16

and it's glorious to be here on this happy and joyful day

0:57:160:57:21

for the wedding of Carol and Jamie.

0:57:210:57:23

'The Abbey community is an ever-expanding community.

0:57:250:57:28

'Those of us who work here know that we just come to play our part here

0:57:280:57:31

'for a very short space of time, we dip our toes in,

0:57:310:57:34

'we're fully immersed in it, and then, we leave again.

0:57:340:57:36

'But today, the Abbey has gained

0:57:360:57:38

'another member of that community in Carol.'

0:57:380:57:41

'I've been experiencing that slightly on the fringes.

0:57:410:57:43

'But to be here now,

0:57:430:57:45

'as a legitimate part of the team, is wonderful.'

0:57:450:57:48

Over the coming months, the cycle of life at the Abbey continues.

0:57:540:57:58

ALL: One!

0:57:580:58:00

You tend to forget, from year to year, just how little they are.

0:58:000:58:04

I've never slept at school before, so I'm a bit scared.

0:58:040:58:07

Christmas is obviously a beautiful and wonderful season

0:58:070:58:09

and, for us, the birth of our Lord Jesus Christ is wonderful

0:58:090:58:12

and we have to prepare for it.

0:58:120:58:14

THEY SING

0:58:140:58:17

I like carols cos they're all cheery

0:58:170:58:21

and it means Christmas is soon!

0:58:210:58:24

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