Davis v Taylor: The '85 Black Ball Final


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Hello, everybody. This is the real story of the greatest snooker final of all time.

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Let's begin at the beginning. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Crucible Theatre in Sheffield!

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The date, April 27th 1985.

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Let me introduce your finalists.

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First, the player looking to cast off the tag of nearly man,

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fresh from his Grand Prix win, hoping to go one step further than he ever has at the Crucible,

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the 36-year-old smiley Irish man, Dennis Taylor!

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Next, a man as serious on the baize as he is off it.

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He's 27 years old and he's already won this title three times.

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He is the world number one.

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He is your number one seed.

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Please welcome Romford Slim, Steve Davis!

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The famous snooker theme tune.

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But then again, in 1985 every sports theme was popular.

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Everybody knew them because you didn't need a satellite dish, you just needed the BBC.

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MUSIC: VARIOUS SPORTS THEME TUNES

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The music that acted as a cue to a roll call of very famous names.

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In 1985, there were only four channels.

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So if you presented sport on the telly you were as famous as the players themselves.

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Hello. Well, a pretty frustrating weekend all round...

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Tonight we concentrate on the Winter Olympics.

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That's it, as far as I'm concerned.

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The famous Crucible theatre, here in Sheffield, which has seen a few dramas in its time,

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gearing itself up for the last lap of the 1985 World Professional Snooker Championship.

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It is, as I say, a remarkable final, and I'm glad you're with us to enjoy it here tonight.

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I remember absolutely nothing of the last day, other than David Vine.

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And if someone had told us that 18.5 million people were going to be tuned in...

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As the hour reaches midnight, this final frame has now been in progress for 45 minutes.

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I think it was a trauma. We were out of our depth.

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Both players under great strain.

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That particular night, snooker was the winner there.

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The fact that I was involved in something where so

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many people remember what they were doing, where they were when they were watching it, you know - wow!

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For me, the '85 final meant staying up late.

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I was seven years old and had never seen the other side of midnight.

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It sounds silly, but that's the point, really.

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It was more than just a snooker game and it meant to many things to so many different people.

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I'm going to try and harness that. I'm going to travel to all four home nations,

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starting at the southernmost tip of the Isle of Wight.

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Because in the beginning, there was David Icke.

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David Icke was, if you like, the Robin to David Vine's Batman,

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so he's the perfect person to catch up with first on our travels

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and find out a little bit more about the tournament as a whole.

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David, Colin, I'm in your control. Where do you want to go?

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Let's go home.

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25 years ago - there will be people watching now who weren't born.

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Can you explain to me where snooker was? What was the state of the game?

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Snooker had been a real in-the-shadows sport, and then

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the BBC had the Pot Black programme and that gave it some public profile.

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This is the last Pot Black, the last edition of the longest-running snooker programme in the world.

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The programme that did so much to launch snooker into its modern era

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and the multi-million pound industry we see today.

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It was absolutely massive.

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In British terms, they were superstars, they were everywhere.

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And a lot of them had been in the game in the early days

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when they were thumbing a lift between exhibition games.

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And it happened so fast.

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The final, David, the most famous snooker match there has been and probably ever will be,

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but before that there was a lot of frames and a lot of games.

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What type of tournament was it up until that point?

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It was a real struggle that year.

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We had one really good game, I remember, between Ray Reardon and John Parrott, went to 13-12 to Ray.

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The rest of them, players were winning games comfortably and we had so much time to fill.

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LAUGHTER

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When you're building to the climax of a tournament over two weeks, and now

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you're filling time with knockabout exhibition games, because the semifinals have been over so easily,

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then you think, well, this is a bloody nightmare of a tournament coming up.

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-COMMENTATOR:

-Steve Davis is really

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riding on the crest of a wave at the moment.

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Brimful of confidence.

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I was probably mentally in as good a shape as you can get, and Dennis had reached embarrassment territory.

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Which is the ideal situation to get a player in. Then you've got to just drill him into the ground.

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I wonder what Dennis is thinking.

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'I thought, what's going on here? It was a bit embarrassing.'

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I wanted the floor to open up in the Crucible.

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I just didn't know where I was going.

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I thought, "When am I going to get a proper chance?"

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Well, a perfect performance by Steve Davis.

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Eight frames to nil.

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When Steve went 8-0 up in the final,

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you thought, "This is the disaster tournament of all world championships that have been covered."

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-# Could it be I'm falling in love

-With you baby

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-# Could it be I'm falling in love

-Won't you tell me

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# Could it be I'm falling in love... #

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In 1985, I was nine.

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My parents allowed me to stay up to watch the final.

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I was so tired, my eyes were straining to keep awake.

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This year will see my 14th visit to the Crucible.

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I even met my husband-to-be there.

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In the '80s, it wasn't just the presenters who took centre stage.

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Take a walk into any commentary box, and you would find giants of broadcasting.

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Taken by Smith, lovely pass inside by Smith.

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The Scots, like bloodhounds on the scent here.

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Steve Ovett coming home to take the gold medal!

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Ayrton Senna is up to fourth position ahead of Schumacher.

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COMMENTARY INDISTINCT

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Ooh, I say, what a volley!

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Snooker had its very own monarch of the mic, and Ted Lowe whispered his way through that classic '85 final.

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He's 90 this year, he still loves snooker, and he's kindly agreed,

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a bit further up the coast, to let me come to his house.

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This one was presented to me after my 50 years

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by friends and colleagues at the BBC, which I treasure.

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It's the old-fashioned mic, as you can see. A lovely piece, that.

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What's it like to have friends at the BBC?

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I'm still trying to get some!

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I had quite a number over the course of years,

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and they've all died on me, as it were!

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THEY LAUGH

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That's good, that's fine, you're here!

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When the camera panned to Dennis Taylor spending most of his time

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on his derriere, and Davis at the table, what type of figure did Dennis Taylor cut,

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as the score went up and up and up, and he hadn't won a single frame in the first eight?

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Dennis produced a sad picture when he sat in that lonely chair.

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And you could see the terrible agony he was going through as each frame went against him.

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'Well, perhaps Dennis was saying a little prayer there.'

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He was very close to his mum. The year before this particular final

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he lost her, and there was something within him.

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I can't explain it.

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That he was doing this for his mum.

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I was just going to go out and play and try and win the tournaments for my mum, the memory of my mum.

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That seat in the Crucible, even though the people are

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so close to you, can be one of the loneliest seats in sport.

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There were a couple of fellas behind me. I remember chatting to them.

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It was something I always used to do anyway.

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So with the boys, and chatting away to my mum,

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it kept me focused, but it wasn't a pretty place to be sitting, I can tell you.

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Of course, it was almost hard for Dennis to look lonely

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or depressed, because he had his ridiculous glasses on.

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Yes, this is true.

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I always said that if Dennis didn't play snooker, he'd be a great comedian.

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And these specs of his helped him a great deal.

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Originally he got them from my dear old mate, Jack Karnehm.

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Jack Karnehm was more than just a commentator.

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He was the inventor of glasses, a billiards champion and responsible

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for arguably one of the greatest lines of snooker commentary ever.

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Good luck, mate.

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Oh, wonderful. That is really, truly wonderful.

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Timeless moments. Jack's son lives in Hampshire.

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His name is Richard and he's invited me down to talk about the legend

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of the specs, and the invention of his father.

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As far as I'm aware,

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he was the first man to say "under the cosh" on television.

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They all use that now.

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Yes, it's almost de rigeur, isn't it, for a sports commentator?

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What does it mean, though?

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It's a thing from fly fishing.

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If you catch a trout,

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you take it out of the water, you cosh it.

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Oh, you bash it. Under the cosh.

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So, if you're under a great deal of pressure, you're about to get bashed

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about the head, you're under the cosh.

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Dennis must definitely have felt like a trout just out of the water in that second session.

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Father Jack's glasses would have been coming in for a little bit of stick, a little bit of ridicule.

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Yes, they were always coming in for ridicule.

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In fact, my father got a lot of ridicule when he first designed them.

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But they were incredibly effective.

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I remember Dennis worrying

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about his eyesight was going,

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and Dad said, well, "Try a pair of these clown's glasses on."

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They suited Dennis well.

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That's not bad.

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I think there's only one way to say goodbye to you and that's just to say, "Good luck, mate."

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Thank you very much!

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# Don't you forget about me... #

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I took a liberty,

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a small liberty, with a ball down the rail into the green pocket.

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He stretched across the table to pot a green.

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If the green goes in the corner pocket, it's 9-0.

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Well, Steve Davis there at full stretch, in fact, overstretched.

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I potted the green to pink to win my first frame.

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At last. One for Taylor, one out of nine.

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The crowd all cheered in sort of, you know, relief.

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Dennis, sort of, made fun in a way.

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What can you do? You can only go, "Oh, great, I've won a frame." For the fun of it, relief as well.

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And then the tide turned, and I collapsed.

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Steve grew up in southeast London, and it was here at the Plumstead Working Man's Club where

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a little scrawny 12-year-old first showed signs of what would be a remarkable career.

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And where he learnt the game was on that bottom table playing billiards.

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By rolling the ball up and down the table,

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over the spots, backwards and forwards.

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And by placing a ball somewhere near the middle hole

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and going in off that ball, into the middle hole.

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But controlling it so that that other ball that was on the table would come back into an almost identical spot.

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Roy Kenwood tells me you spent every day as a kid on a billiard table,

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rolling the ball just up and down.

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HE LAUGHS

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Yeah, gee whizz! Well, the early days for me are practice.

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About following the Joe Davis blueprint for the game.

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My father was very much...

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Not a disciplinarian, but a stickler for practice and technique.

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He played snooker, of course.

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We played snooker on this table,

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friendly matches.

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But that's where he learnt the control of the ball,

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the pace of the ball, direction into which it was going to go.

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My father never told me to play snooker.

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It was all of my drive.

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He was just delighted that I liked the game.

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Effectively we'd go down the club together, father and son.

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I thought, at that stage, he would be the world billiard champion.

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Yes, I did.

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I came in here one night, and he said to me, "Do you want to see a 100 break, Roy?" I said, "Yeah."

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And he placed two balls

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on the cushions and the third one was there.

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Vertically with your cue, two, four, six, eight, ten, twelve fourteen sixteen...a hundred.

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You try and do it, the balls will... It's control.

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My father would be fairly defensive about, "Don't go for the big shot, always play within yourself."

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So if I pushed the boat out, as it's commonly known in the snooker commentary box, and went for a shot

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that was risky, I'd always get the criticism afterwards.

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Well, his father must have been doing something right, because with more than half a century

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on the board, the man is still playing to the highest level.

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You've just walked out at the Crucible for the 30th time, and got that love.

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It's lovely. There are a lot of people obviously appreciate the world of snooker

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and the characters in it, and the fact that...

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That reception was quite amazing.

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All I could say is, if it was me in the crowd and I'd watched

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snooker all these years and there was somebody who'd done what I did,

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I think I'd have to stand up and go, "Well, look - even if I didn't like you as a player,

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"well done."

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It was 25 years ago that Steve Davis,

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along with Dennis Taylor, had us on the edges of our seats.

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Fast forward a quarter of a century and Davis is at it again.

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Back in 1985, there wasn't much to shout about, really.

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The miners' strike had just ended a month before the world snooker final,

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and the country, I suppose you could say, was at war with itself.

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And at the end of this time,

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our people are suffering tremendous hardship.

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So maybe Britain as a whole just needed a hero,

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or at the very least a bit of escapism.

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This is South Wales, it would have been a mining village.

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All the mines are closed now.

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So I doubt in April 1985 they cared a huge amount about a snooker final,

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but there was one little boy lived out there called Mark Williams,

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he was ten years old, he was the son of a miner and he would go on to

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win two world titles, and I just have a feeling his memories might be a bit different.

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So you're three years into your playing career,

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you're one of the hottest prospects in Britain, you're about to win

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your first youth trophy, but you didn't watch the 1985 final?

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No, I can't remember watching it at the time.

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There was the miners' strike and all that stuff happening with the miners' thing,

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and there was a lot more important things happening at that time and I just didn't get to see it.

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I used to go picketing with my old man and that.

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There'd be 30, 40 people there kicking a football around,

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all of a sudden this bus will come, going into the picket. It was like as if we'd turned into maniacs.

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Throwing stones at the bus and just trying to stop it getting in, like. Incredible.

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It's hard to understand when you're young, why didn't you just...

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If they can go into work to get money, why don't you just do it as well?

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But then at the time, you could get killed, like.

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If you had been watching, on the Saturday night, the second session of that final,

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Taylor came from eight down, and finished that session just 9-7 behind.

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Both players then would have had to go to bed.

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As someone who's been in these situations, what would have been in their head?

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Well, the pressure reverses. Once you're eight frames behind,

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you sit there, you must think to yourself... You can't win, really.

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You're just going to try to make the score respectable.

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You don't expect to win, and then all of a sudden

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your arm loosens up, you start potting a few balls, making some breaks.

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Steve Davis, I can't imagine, would have been the most popular snooker player in Cwm.

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Probably not, because he used to win everything.

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I mean, we're a good old country for not liking people winning. I think that's our trademark.

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But at the end of the day, he's got more popular now he's losing.

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The British sporting public do not warm to winners,

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to people who win, day in, day out.

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-Did that hurt you?

-A little bit.

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Not much. Because I could understand it, because I'm also British.

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# Move closer... #

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-COMMENTATOR:

-So, 29-all after 43 minutes of really dogged, dour snooker.

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But some of the frames I won in the evening session,

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I was winning them with a frame-winning breaks,

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and the last six frames, I kept Steve in his seat for most of the evening.

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# Move closer... #

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Overnight, the score had been 9-7 to me,

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and had it been 7-all and I'd won the last two frames.

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It would have been a completely different night's sleep.

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As it was... I stole, I think, a line from Colin Powell, which was,

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"I slept like a baby - woke up screaming every half an hour."

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What an awful... My world had collapsed.

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So Mark Williams didn't even watch the 1985 final.

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He's one of just a few, I would imagine.

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There's a player who actually turned pro at the age of 16, the youngest ever in the game,

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in its entire history, and he lives just round the corner from Stirling Castle.

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He did all right after he turned pro.

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He won seven world titles, so I think he'll have something to say.

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You're eight frames up,

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but you go to bed and you wake up that next morning

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for the second day and it's 9-7. You're only two frames ahead.

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What's going through Steve's head at that stage?

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I wouldn't like that feeling, because I think it's 8-0 up.

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He'd be wanting to get Dennis down and put his foot on his throat and just finish him off.

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That's what I'd be thinking. Whether you like them or not, whether it's your best pal,

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you want to really destroy them and humiliate them. That's what I was like.

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But yeah, then you're thinking, "My God, what if I lose this now?"

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So when you woke up on that Sunday morning, as it was, of the '85 final, end of session three,

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-you would have been cheering on Steve Davis, then?

-Yeah. Very much so.

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I've always been... In any sport I watch, I only want to see the best winning,

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whether it be Steve Davis, Tiger Woods, Michael Schumacher when I was into Formula One...

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I wanted to see the best winning.

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I've never been an underdog supporter.

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-Stephen Hendry, as a kid, he wanted Steve Davis to win in '85.

-Did he?

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Well, I think Ronnie O'Sullivan is the greatest player, then!

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I think, by the third session, midway through, the nerves were there on both sides.

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There was one moment when it was 10-8 to Steve Davis,

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and Dennis Taylor had a dolly of a black

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to win the frame and missed and went 11-8 down.

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We all miss easy goals. I've been in hundreds of scrappy matches.

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-COMMENTATOR:

-Well, in almost any circumstances in the world, he would have potted that.

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In these circumstances, it proved missable.

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Looking back, I think there's probably been higher standards of snooker played in finals.

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COMMENTATOR: Well, no rushing to the table for this fella.

0:21:280:21:31

He's already had two bites at the cherry and...

0:21:310:21:34

..appreciates just how important this black is.

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APPLAUSE

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# Everybody wants to rule the world... #

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None of us had tickets for the final, so I queued up

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and I managed to get the last ticket for the final session of the final.

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But you completely forgot about mother and father,

0:22:050:22:08

so we had to spend the entire evening wondering what was going on, in the bar of the Grosvenor House Hotel.

0:22:080:22:14

The final? Well, I'll be honest - I never thought I'd be standing here tonight,

0:22:140:22:18

introducing this last session.

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And you were with all the snooker journalists, drinking.

0:22:200:22:23

Heavily.

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And the very latest news, at the end of the last session,

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which didn't finish more than about half an hour ago, Davis leads 13 frames to 11.

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18 are required to win the £60,000 cheque, so it'll be 11 to play.

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Davis needs five and Taylor needs seven.

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Those three sessions have gone into history now.

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It's just down to the last one.

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-13-11.

-Lovely.

-Enjoy the match.

-Cheers.

0:22:460:22:48

Steve Davis, defending snooker champion of the world, with Barry Hearn just going out.

0:22:480:22:53

He's never very far away, his manager.

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You see sport 360 degrees, from the punters paying the money to get in

0:22:590:23:04

to the entertainment on the baize or on the oche, or wherever it might be.

0:23:040:23:08

But I think it's important to note that Steve Davis was your boy.

0:23:080:23:10

-Yeah.

-So you go back to 1976.

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-So for you, it wasn't just about the sport...

-No.

-..and the receipts.

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So you must have been as tired as him, going into that last session.

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Yeah. He was like family.

0:23:190:23:20

We were in this together and we beat the world.

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If you go back to 1981, when he first won the World Championship,

0:23:240:23:27

that terrible scene of me celebrating, everything...

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COMMENTATOR: Congratulations there to the Embassy world champion, Steve Davis, from his manager, Barry Hearn.

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You have to understand the emotion.

0:23:370:23:39

I'd spent five years telling everyone I had the greatest player in the world,

0:23:390:23:43

-and he was my best friend, and we were going to kill everybody.

-Yeah.

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And that was not just me celebrating in '81 - it was vindication of everything that we'd both set for.

0:23:460:23:53

Steve and I would sit down in the early years and we would talk

0:23:530:23:56

about, what's it going to be like when we win the World Championship?

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We would have tears rolling down our face. That was the intensity.

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We wanted... Neither of us had anything, anything.

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We wanted to be somebody in our chosen sport.

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I'd like to thank all the people from Romford and from Plumstead Common Working Men's Club,

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and everybody else all over the place.

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Now, take that forward to '85, we were joined at the hip.

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I'd have taken a bullet for Steve Davis.

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He was so charismatic, whilst I was the total opposite,

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but I did my job on the table and he did the best for me off the table, and we got on really well,

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even though, in another walk of life,

0:24:310:24:34

I'd have probably been the last person he'd have ever befriended.

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I wanted to be the manager of the world snooker champion who was also my best friend,

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-so it wasn't a question of anyone else meant nothing at all.

-Yeah.

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And suddenly, all of these lovely laid-out plans became questioned,

0:24:460:24:51

by some smiling Irishman who isn't supposed to win.

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It didn't happen in the rehearsals, in our head.

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And how do we cope with this now?

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Because he won't go away.

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And he keeps laughing and he's smiling and he's cracking jokes in the intervals and we don't like him!

0:25:050:25:12

Trevor East was there, I mean Trevor was great.

0:25:170:25:21

Trevor was the Head of Sport with ITV at the time

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and he was with me throughout the whole of that championship.

0:25:230:25:27

The mood in the dressing room had just

0:25:270:25:29

changed dramatically from the day before.

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Dennis was cracking jokes.

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It was light hearted, there was banter, a bit of fun,

0:25:320:25:35

a lot of laughter and basically Dennis knew that he'd almost got the game.

0:25:350:25:40

There was still a way to go, but by Davis' demeanour we could tell

0:25:400:25:45

that he was under pressure and the game had completely turned. It was there for Dennis' taking.

0:25:450:25:50

You could hear them. They was enjoying it.

0:25:500:25:52

There was laughter coming from his dressing room.

0:25:520:25:56

There was no laughter coming from ours. There never really was.

0:25:560:25:59

We were serious in our business.

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63.

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-COMMENTATOR:

-Taylor now needs snookers.

0:26:060:26:08

Davis won that first frame.

0:26:080:26:10

Momentum-wise and psychologically, you would imagine that was the perfect building point.

0:26:100:26:15

We couldn't have had a better start, but it still didn't mean anything because

0:26:150:26:20

the winning line wasn't there.

0:26:200:26:22

Had Davis won the frame after that, I think we would've been into Easy Street.

0:26:220:26:26

You won't see many better thought out shots to nothing than that.

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Let's just pause for a minute and consider the art of snooker.

0:26:390:26:43

Michael Myers has done this oil painting of the last frame of the '85 final and I absolutely love it.

0:26:430:26:49

Every one of these lines is a shot played in the most famous frame of snooker ever.

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All 111 of them.

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It kind of hits home to me when I look at this that it's a science, playing snooker.

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It's something you're naturally born with.

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For the rest of us, we're just rubbish at it.

0:27:020:27:04

I think like most semi-mugs,

0:27:100:27:12

every now and then I'll do a shot that would've got spirited applause

0:27:120:27:18

at the grappledrome or whatever it's called.

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But there is not a shot that I can't miss.

0:27:230:27:27

Even if it's on the very brink of the pocket and it's a straight shot...

0:27:270:27:32

I'm just as likely to go in with, or instead, that's the other one.

0:27:320:27:38

I'm lost in admiration for what they do out there and also the stamina.

0:27:380:27:43

How, after four or five frames, I'm exhausted and no longer thinking very straight.

0:27:440:27:51

And for them it must be a kind of

0:27:510:27:55

delirium of concentration.

0:27:550:27:57

It's fiercely psychological

0:27:570:27:59

and you're never so far ahead that it's over, until it's over.

0:27:590:28:03

This final is now heading for

0:28:090:28:12

a very thrilling climax.

0:28:120:28:14

I'm here in East London's Theatreland to speak to actress, Cathy Murphy.

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You may know her from programmes such as Shameless, EastEnders and Extras.

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She's got a very different take on events 25 years ago.

0:28:220:28:25

Let me take you back to 10:15 on 29th April 1985.

0:28:300:28:35

You would have been one of the few people in all of Britain not happy

0:28:350:28:38

when you tuned into BBC2 to see Dennis Taylor and Steve Davis.

0:28:380:28:41

No, not really because I was 17 and I was in a BBC production called

0:28:410:28:45

Bleak House and it was my first big break and I was really excited,

0:28:450:28:49

sitting round with my family and my then boyfriend to see Bleak House...

0:28:490:28:52

Miss Summerson, Miss Summerson, It's Mr Skimpole, miss.

0:28:520:28:57

He's been took. Mr Carson said would you come?

0:28:570:28:59

-Has Mrs Skimpole been taken ill?

-Took, Miss. Sudden.

0:28:590:29:02

And instead this snooker match went on and on and on.

0:29:020:29:06

And I think it finished at about 12:15, which meant

0:29:060:29:09

Bleak House started at 12:15 and who's going to watch it then?

0:29:090:29:12

So I wasn't best pleased!

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AUDIENCE MEMBERS CALL OUT

0:29:210:29:23

Gentlemen, please!

0:29:230:29:25

Shouting out upsets the player's concentration.

0:29:250:29:28

Please don't do it.

0:29:280:29:29

The 1985 Sports Personality Of The Year was an Irishman

0:29:290:29:32

but it wasn't to be Dennis Taylor, it was Barry McGuigan.

0:29:320:29:36

He too from a small town in Ireland, the underdog taking on the machine

0:29:360:29:40

and by the time Christmas 1985 came about, both of them shared a massive affinity.

0:29:400:29:45

What is it about the Irish where they have to be underdogs?

0:29:510:29:54

I mean, Dennis never laid against Steve, he was 17-15 down at this stage

0:29:540:30:00

and he's got to win the last three frames, no more room for error.

0:30:000:30:03

Why do the Irish thrive when we're against the wall?

0:30:030:30:06

Lots of people say snooker players aren't real athletes,

0:30:060:30:09

but the level of concentration that they need

0:30:090:30:11

and all the people in the auditorium screaming and shouting,

0:30:110:30:16

he just showed phenomenal powers of recovery and fightback.

0:30:160:30:20

Just amazing.

0:30:200:30:21

Your father was this huge inspiration to you.

0:30:210:30:24

Unfortunately, Dennis had this backdrop of just losing his mother

0:30:240:30:29

who was his inspiration and he might not have lifted a cue again.

0:30:290:30:33

It happened with you when you lost your father, and with him when he lost his mother.

0:30:330:30:37

Do you believe in it? The fate of it?

0:30:370:30:39

Yes, absolutely.

0:30:390:30:41

I believe my dad's in a better place and I believe my brother

0:30:410:30:44

who committed suicide in '94, I believe they are with me.

0:30:440:30:48

I believe that when times get tough...

0:30:480:30:50

And it's interesting, I watched Dennis between those frames and I watched him as he sat down.

0:30:500:30:59

And I looked and thought, "What is going through his mind?"

0:30:590:31:03

What is he thinking about? Is he thinking, "Mum, where are you?"

0:31:030:31:07

You know, "Come and give me the strength," or whatever.

0:31:070:31:12

But he was able to garner

0:31:120:31:15

the strength and the psychology and the toughness of mind and the sureness to make those decisions.

0:31:150:31:22

Those little incremental mistakes that can destroy you.

0:31:220:31:25

Tell me a little bit about the media.

0:31:250:31:27

It wasn't just about what you were doing in the ring or at the table, was it?

0:31:270:31:31

-There were so many other connotations. People wanted to know your politics...

-Yes.

0:31:310:31:35

I was just sick to death of it.

0:31:350:31:37

It was a tragic time for Northern Ireland. Everywhere you went,

0:31:370:31:40

it was just so intimidating, so frightening.

0:31:400:31:43

I thought, the one thing I want to do is bring people together.

0:31:430:31:46

I'm not going to wear any colours.

0:31:460:31:47

I didn't want to have anybody label me and I wouldn't do that.

0:31:470:31:51

I suppose a certain section of the community wouldn't have liked that,

0:31:510:31:57

but I didn't care about those. They weren't my supporters.

0:31:570:32:00

Dennis was exactly the same and he was such a lovely man.

0:32:000:32:03

Such a great representative and everybody wanted him to do well and be successful.

0:32:030:32:08

In modern sport there are so many arrogant sportsmen and cocky and conceited people.

0:32:080:32:13

The world is full of that.

0:32:130:32:15

And ordinary Joe on the street doesn't like that sort of arrogance.

0:32:150:32:19

They can put up with it for a time, but after a while...

0:32:190:32:22

My old man used to say, "Just keep it simple, son."

0:32:220:32:25

Make as many friends as you can on the way up

0:32:250:32:28

because, you see, when you're on your way down they don't go, "Oh!" and let you slide down.

0:32:280:32:34

I enjoy people and I enjoy company

0:32:340:32:36

and it's difficult for me to be rude to people.

0:32:360:32:39

It's exactly the same with Dennis.

0:32:390:32:42

Regardless of any religion, people in Northern Ireland,

0:32:420:32:45

-in all of Ireland were on their feet for Dennis and were backing him.

-Without a doubt.

0:32:450:32:49

I'm 325 miles from the Crucible Theatre in Sheffield.

0:32:520:32:56

I'm in Coalisland, County Tyrone, Northern Ireland, home of Dennis Taylor.

0:32:560:33:00

In this snooker club, that's where he cut his teeth.

0:33:000:33:02

I tell you why I'm here, I'm interested to find out the inspiration,

0:33:020:33:06

the strength that he got to come back again and again and again in the '85 final against the machine.

0:33:060:33:11

Brenda's his sister. I've met her before and her husband Seamus.

0:33:110:33:14

Should have a welcoming committee.

0:33:140:33:16

Was he a bit of an absentee brother in terms of...

0:33:210:33:23

You would know where to find him if you needed him but he would come straight down here?

0:33:230:33:27

You'd find him in the snooker hall.

0:33:270:33:29

What he did do was

0:33:290:33:30

he would have come down and he would've played a game of snooker.

0:33:300:33:34

He didn't have any money so the boys would have given him a cigarette.

0:33:340:33:37

He didn't smoke, he never did.

0:33:370:33:39

He would have played for a cigarette,

0:33:390:33:41

so he used to bring the cigarette home to Mum, Mum smoked,

0:33:410:33:44

and she would give him threepence for the cigarette.

0:33:440:33:46

So he would come down and play another game of snooker.

0:33:460:33:49

-That's how he got his money to play snooker.

-What was it like in here,

0:33:490:33:53

his own snooker club, on the night of the final session?

0:33:530:33:56

I mean, you mustn't have been able to move.

0:33:560:33:59

It was one of those moments you say to yourself,

0:33:590:34:02

"Am I really here? Is it really happening?"

0:34:020:34:04

This was someone from your own town. A chance to be world champion.

0:34:040:34:08

Everybody was engrossed in it. It was unbelievable, an absolutely unbelievable atmosphere.

0:34:080:34:13

The actual lead-up to it, you couldn't write the script for it.

0:34:130:34:17

Not in that particular world final. I don't there's been one like it since.

0:34:170:34:21

All the rest of my sisters and brothers and brothers-in-law

0:34:210:34:25

all went to the final.

0:34:250:34:26

They were all over there.

0:34:260:34:28

I stayed at home with Dad.

0:34:280:34:30

I have to own up because I was whistling.

0:34:300:34:32

The referee had pointed to me to the stewards who put me out.

0:34:380:34:43

WHISTLES FROM AUDIENCE

0:34:430:34:46

MAN SPEAKS INAUDIBLY ..Straight through the door. Whoever it is.

0:34:460:34:50

Luckily enough I apologised to the stewards.

0:34:500:34:52

-They kept you in.

-I got to stay on.

0:34:520:34:54

Thank God.

0:34:540:34:57

If you could be honest with me, Piers, were you thinking,

0:34:570:35:00

you know, "He has had his chance...

0:35:000:35:02

"He's done the town proud but it's another step too far...

0:35:020:35:06

"He can't possibly pull another frame back, let alone three"?

0:35:060:35:10

We're from Coalisland, you see. We have great faith.

0:35:100:35:13

And it's there.

0:35:180:35:20

And the audience is as thrilled as Dennis Taylor as he saves the match.

0:35:240:35:29

Now one frame behind at 17-16.

0:35:290:35:33

I knew at 17-15 that I really... Your back's against the wall.

0:35:350:35:40

But I had to pull all the stops out but I think at that stage what helped me

0:35:400:35:44

was I'd won six frames the night before, so you're saying to yourself, "Listen, if I can win six frames,

0:35:440:35:51

"there's no reason why I can't win three," and that's what you're telling yourself.

0:35:510:35:56

You forget sometimes how great Dennis is as a player,

0:36:050:36:09

and how great snooker he was playing at that period of his career

0:36:090:36:12

and to come back, it shows you the character of the man.

0:36:120:36:16

Steve Davis then concedes that particular frame and Dennis Taylor, a very satisfied Irishman,

0:36:250:36:32

sits there with the frames all square. 17 each.

0:36:320:36:36

I'm in The Working Men's Club in Cricklewood

0:36:360:36:39

and the final's just gone 17-17.

0:36:390:36:41

The bar steward is not happy.

0:36:410:36:43

He comes from behind the bar, up to the TV and switches it off and we're all gobsmacked.

0:36:430:36:48

So up I get, there's a few murmurs like,

0:36:480:36:50

I put my finger on the TV on/off button,

0:36:500:36:51

and I hear in the background, "McBride,

0:36:510:36:53

"you turn that TV on and you'll be up in front of the committee by Wednesday, that I promise you."

0:36:530:36:58

I'm thinking, "What do I do? I can't miss this."

0:36:580:37:00

So I switch it on. I sit back down, I get a big round of applause and we carry on watching the final.

0:37:000:37:04

Next night, up I go for a pint and a game of snooker and there's a letter on the door for me.

0:37:040:37:08

Open up the letter, true to his word, I'm in front of the committee on the Wednesday.

0:37:080:37:12

Up I go on the Wednesday. Barred me for three months.

0:37:120:37:15

John Williams refereed every frame of the '85 final and I think he had the best seat in the house.

0:37:190:37:26

I say best seat - he wasn't allowed to sit down!

0:37:260:37:29

John, you've announced the beginning of a million frames,

0:37:370:37:40

but I would imagine none as intense as the 35th frame of the '85 final?

0:37:400:37:44

So tell me, at the start of that 35th frame,

0:37:460:37:48

who did you think was going to win the title?

0:37:480:37:50

I honestly and sincerely haven't got a clue.

0:37:530:37:57

I just wanted it finished.

0:37:570:37:58

The world champion puts the cue ball right underneath the bulk cushion.

0:37:580:38:02

When I was under extreme pressure

0:38:020:38:04

I used to get a little bit red in the face.

0:38:040:38:08

And that last frame, I remember looking at Steve and Steve was going the opposite.

0:38:080:38:13

They were going greyer by the minute.

0:38:130:38:15

Whereas you had two fairly young gentlemen playing a snooker match,

0:38:150:38:20

suddenly they seemed to get to middle age and then it looked like old age.

0:38:200:38:24

Their faces were changing and they just...

0:38:240:38:26

Really, I think would have preferred to have been anywhere except there for that final frame.

0:38:260:38:32

When you get to a one frame shoot-out, all you are thinking is,

0:38:350:38:38

"Let me get a chance early on."

0:38:380:38:40

Just please let me get one chance.

0:38:400:38:42

I don't want to have to spend the last frame sitting in the seat.

0:38:420:38:45

Any mistake now, very expensive.

0:38:450:38:49

This is the final frame of the world championship, 1985.

0:38:490:38:53

I couldn't even bear to watch it in the sitting room. I couldn't bear to stay on the settee.

0:38:550:39:00

I was actually behind the door in the hall watching through that narrow crack in the door,

0:39:000:39:06

with a hat right down over my head and every so often I would lift it up just to see how he was doing.

0:39:060:39:12

Every time I watched on telly,

0:39:120:39:14

Dennis would miss.

0:39:140:39:17

And it got to the point and my wife Linda was with me, that I would go out the room.

0:39:170:39:22

And she'd say, "No, Davis has missed!"

0:39:240:39:27

And he's missed it!

0:39:270:39:29

Just out of our depth. Frightened rabbits in the headlights.

0:39:300:39:34

I suppose it was destined to go to the last ball.

0:39:340:39:36

It was just destined, because I don't think we made a 10 break.

0:39:360:39:39

Steve Davis. 5.

0:39:390:39:42

I think I'd rather have one of my teeth pulled out without anaesthetic

0:39:420:39:46

than watch any part of that final.

0:39:460:39:49

I remember, God rest his soul, the great Cliff Wilson,

0:39:490:39:52

the Welsh professional who was a great potter.

0:39:520:39:54

I remember him saying, he said, "I've never seen safety like that."

0:39:540:39:58

There was a spell in that match

0:39:580:40:00

where we kept flicking balls along the top cushion,

0:40:000:40:02

hitting them very thin, so you wouldn't push it over a pocket.

0:40:020:40:06

Our safety was good.

0:40:060:40:07

Well, a terrific shot from Dennis Taylor there from that position.

0:40:130:40:16

I had the job of presenting the Youth Cup each year.

0:40:210:40:26

And Dennis won it

0:40:260:40:29

two years running, I think.

0:40:290:40:31

And the next year, another boy from the class beat him.

0:40:310:40:35

And he took it very badly.

0:40:350:40:37

He wanted to win. Dennis wanted to win.

0:40:370:40:40

Concentration written all over his face.

0:40:400:40:43

Looking for his first world title.

0:40:430:40:46

Never rushed himself, you know?

0:40:470:40:51

He had his own pace.

0:40:510:40:55

Even in football he was the same.

0:40:550:40:57

He took his own thing at his own pace, but always got there.

0:40:570:41:01

APPLAUSE

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If someone who you admire and look at thinks they can do it,

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you think to yourself, "I can do it too."

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I had to pot the ball into the yellow pocket, run off side and

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bottom cushion, come back up the table, past a ball that was covering.

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I underhit it fractionally, and I was using the rest.

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And I started to grip hold of the rest tighter and tighter.

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And we had a fight over the rest.

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I might have won it then. That could have been that close.

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I was trying to run Take Your Pick in the back room.

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I had two runners.

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Every shot was played, you know, "He's making another break."

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The worst place that Steve can finish is straight on the green.

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Somebody was saying, "Forget about Take Your Pick."

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So I just downed everything, came out and couldn't get near the TV.

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Couldn't even see the TV.

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Steve Davis's focus was amazing.

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I remember him fluking the green,

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and he just stiffly walked round the table and carried on as if nothing had happened.

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Steve wasn't really a human being, he was a machine.

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Steve Davis was built, trained, educated to win snooker tournaments.

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And he was a well-oiled machine.

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18 points in it.

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22 points on the table.

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This frame now has been going 55 minutes.

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The longest frame of the final.

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It was a very exciting match, and 17-year-olds don't really like snooker,

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but I had to watch it because I wanted to watch what was after it.

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When we got to the brown, I had made my mind up then,

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this was probably the last chance to win the world title.

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"Have a go at whatever is there.

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"If it's any sort of chance, have a go at it."

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Dennis had a go.

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Very tense moments here now at the Crucible Theatre.

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The atmosphere in the place was alive.

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It was absolutely buzzing.

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You were seen often talking to yourself on TV.

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People thought you'd been touched with madness at some stages, because it had been going on for that long.

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Well, it was a mixture of both.

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I was having a little quiet chat to my mum, but that, probably the muttering would have been...

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And Steve's friends, who were up in the gods, I couldn't see them.

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We used to call them the Romford crowd.

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They used to travel with Steve.

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They were all nice blokes, but there used to be seven or eight of them.

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And they were up there, and they had this Romford chant, you know?

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When you made a mistake,

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you heard it coming from the gods. "Come on, Steve. Come on, my son."

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And they really did get me a little bit angry, angry enough to keep me going without cracking completely.

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Moving the black just might help Dennis. He wants the four balls.

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He could afford to go for the pot, he only wanted the one ball.

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He was 33-1 prior to the World Championships.

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Myself and a fella from down here called Brendan Campbell, we had a £10 bet on.

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So, he wasn't going to lose. Because we couldn't afford to lose £10.

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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

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The brown that I potted down the cushion

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was one of the best shots I think I've ever played.

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Under that sort of pressure.

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And then I'm left with a tricky blue.

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CHEERING

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At this stage, the crowd were just... It was incredible.

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And the pink was quite difficult as well.

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CHEERING

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The final frame, the final black.

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LAUGHTER

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I don't know why, why I went and kissed the little lady

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on the top of the trophy before I took the double on, on the black.

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I don't know to this day why I did that.

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It must have been, "I'm going to win you here with this shot, or I'm going to lose you."

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AUDIENCE GROANS

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-It was an unbelievably brave/foolish shot to take on?

-It was.

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I know, if I go for the double and miss it,

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at least I've gone down trying to pull a double off.

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I have never known an atmosphere like this.

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Thank you once again, please.

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John Williams, our referee, trying to keep the crowd in order.

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I didn't want anybody in particular to win.

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I just wanted a winner.

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And, if you like, "Let's all go home."

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A good one.

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You can train and practise all you like, but I think sometimes

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you get to a maximum pressure, and you can't get any more than maximum.

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And maximum is enough for anybody.

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I'm sure Dennis wouldn't mind my saying, he chanced his arm.

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And he's come out lucky.

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The fascinating thing about snooker is, sometimes the best

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tension type snooker is the stuff where people are missing.

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When it's 100 break, 100 break, 100 break, and nobody is missing a ball, no tension.

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Really, in its own way, there is no tension.

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Everybody starts missing, the crowd get at it as well.

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So, the crowd's at it, I'm at it, everybody's at it.

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Nobody can hold their arms still.

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AUDIENCE GROANS

0:48:230:48:24

That was the biggest shot of his life.

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What a twitch. I missed that black by so far,

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it nearly came up and in the pocket I was leaning over.

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I went back to my seat, and I thought, "There is no way Steve Davis will miss the black."

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I always get a bit upset, people think it was closer than it was.

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But, you know, the black was miles away from the pocket...

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No, it was pottable.

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I thought, "Right, I've just got to keep everything together."

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It's not your cue, not your legs, not your arms.

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You've just got to deliver it straight.

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When Davis has to cut the black in, of course, this is Davis, OK?

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So, I said, "I'm going to bed.

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"It's over."

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No!

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My wife shouted, "He's missed it!" I couldn't believe it.

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Hope is what happens. You go, "Hope."

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And outcome.

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And then, "Oh...dear."

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CROWD SHOUT EXCITEDLY

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I can't comprehend it now, that he missed it, because that isn't Steve.

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The one thing Steve has got, apart from his ability to play the game, is a wonderful temperament.

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This is really unbelievable.

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The way Dennis Taylor shaped to take that shot, he took forever to

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make up his mind that he was going to pot it.

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He didn't break, and Steve broke on that last ball.

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And that was just unbelievable.

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He's done it!

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CROWD CHEERS WILDLY

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Dennis Taylor, for the first time, becomes Embassy World Snooker Champion 1985.

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He took that final black, which was the first time he'd been in front in the whole match.

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It lingers in the memory so much, because it went on so long

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and one of the players came from 8-0 down,

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to win on the final black in the final frame over 35 frames.

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The whole place here at the Crucible erupting for this very popular Irishman.

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You can't help but like Dennis, so you're quite pleased for him,

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wagging his finger when you wanted to smack him straight in the nose!

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That was at me. And all he was saying was, "I told you I could do it!"

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And a sad champion

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Steve Davis looks on.

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Having someone giving it all this, kissing the trophy, and you're sat in the corner.

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Then David Vine says, "How do you feel?"

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-Can you believe what's happened tonight yet?

-Yeah, it happened in black and white.

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LAUGHTER

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What did people want him to say?

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A fabulous picture, of a very happy and popular man.

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The first thought was, "I'm World Champion!"

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After all these years, I've become World Champion

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and it's a very, very special feeling. And then, after that,

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I had no idea what was going to happen.

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It was the end.

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There were no more balls. 17 days of playing for one ball at the end.

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And you can't do anything about it.

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And you've messed it up.

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And that's snooker.

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I suppose you look back on it 25 years later, sitting here now,

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and have immense love for that occasion?

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Well, my thoughts, obviously, being the type of animal I am, I immediately signed Dennis Taylor.

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Which I think sort of sums me up perfectly, really, doesn't it?

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It was great. And Steve said, "Thanks, mate(!)"

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And I had a few letters from his fans saying, "How could you?"

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I said, "There's a bigger picture here."

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De-nnis, De-nnis,

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De-nnis, De-nnis, De-nnis!

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It's a very small town. What did it mean for this place and its proud tradition,

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the pictures that adorn the wall of hundreds and hundreds of snooker players?

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To have one win a world title?

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It was maybe one of the biggest sporting moments in that particular year, and maybe the years since.

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As soon as he potted the black ball, we all became involved in that. You know, we were part of that.

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I had that good faith that Mummy was behind him, and that she would see him through to the final.

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-Which she did.

-So that was constantly on your mind, then?

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The whole way through, when you were sitting in the Crucible,

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you knew it wasn't really about lifting that trophy?

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We were thinking, "He could be world champion,"

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and you, the family and Dennis were thinking something completely different.

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He's thinking that it's for her.

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It's not so much exactly the World Champion, or whatever he's going to be,

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it's going to be a win for Mummy, and he did it.

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It's weird that people have won that title, Stephen Hendry seven times, Steve Davis six times,

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but for some reason, winning it just that once seems to be...

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Once was enough for Dennis. He said, "You only have to win it the once."

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You win it the once to be remembered, but it's one that will never be forgotten.

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I think, because of the situation, being on the black ball.

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Everybody knows where they were when Dennis won the World Championships in '85.

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-And done with dignity?

-With dignity, it was.

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Dennis Taylor, snooker champion of the world.

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CHEERING

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What did you say?

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I'll tell you what,

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it's a good job the black was over the pocket!

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But, well, I don't know, that's definitely

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one of the greatest matches I've ever been involved in in my life.

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Has anything like that ever happened in a match before to you?

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-Have you gone through anything like that, emotion and tension?

-No.

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To beat Steve Davis, who's been the best player in the world,

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you know, there's not a lot more you can say, really.

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MEN SHOUT

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Well, I'm the best THIS year.

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CHEERING

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Ladies and gentlemen, Steve Davis and Dennis Taylor, who have created a wonderful match here tonight.

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I think we both realised we were involved, there have been some great, great matches,

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and some great moments in snooker.

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To win it in the way I did was like winning four world titles, that, all wrapped up in one.

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People get what they deserve. He's a grafter. He grafted.

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Got himself back, worked on his technique a bit.

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Never gave up. What more can you ask for? Well done, Den.

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The 1985 Embassy Snooker Champion of the World, with a cheque for £60,000, and the trophy, Dennis Taylor!

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I would need so much more than 59 minutes to fill you in about everything that I have learnt

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on my journey across Britain and Ireland to discover the real story of the '85 final.

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But, here's a couple of gems I haven't yet managed to fit in.

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I've learned that David Icke, despite having 30,000 people

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in his social networking group, doesn't do crowds.

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Me? I don't do groups, I don't do groups.

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I've learned that winners not only detest losing, but have very little time for losers.

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Oh, you...!

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Fiver!

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You guys are going out to lunch today, courtesy of my bloody puggy.

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If he had a bit of bottle about him, he would have won seven world titles.

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I learned that one Northern Irish champion made a future one late for training.

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I was late for training the next day.

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I don't think anybody minded, because most of the sparring partners were watching it anyway.

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I've learned that Ma'am is a snooker fan.

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She said she did follow the game of snooker on the box.

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And I knew that the Duke of Edinburgh did, because they had a table put in at Buckingham Palace.

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I've learned that Dennis Taylor, just before the final frame, nipped out to use "the toilet".

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17-17, Dennis left the arena, beckoned me to follow him.

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I never really thought we were going out to talk tactics or something.

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In fact, we just had a quick nip of brandy to calm the nerves.

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I've also learnt it's a bad idea to bet your student grant on a snooker match.

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It meant that I had to leave my rented accommodation,

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because I couldn't afford to pay them.

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And I had to sleep in a tent in Harlow Park for a month.

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In the coldest spring for 50 years.

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You know what I learned, above everything?

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It's how much it still means to people.

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No shortage of people who want to talk about it.

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And also, I think in both of your eyes, coming to the end

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of the journey and interviewing both of you, that you still feel it?

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So, I'm thinking 25 years, it's a long time, right?

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A quarter of a century. I'm just wondering, 25 years later,

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just us three.

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We do it again? The final frame?

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-That would be good.

-You've got nothing to lose.

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Let me just think.

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I'd love to do it again.

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What do you think? There's just us.

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-We've got the table here, it's set up.

-I'll break.

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They created a piece of, not just snooker history, but great British sporting drama.

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Any sportsman gives us something that goes into our memory banks,

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gives us a warm feeling that says, "You know, I was ever so glad I saw that. That was a bit special."

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And, you know what,

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that WAS a bit special.

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