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Hello, everybody. This is the real story of the greatest snooker final of all time. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:16 | |
Let's begin at the beginning. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Crucible Theatre in Sheffield! | 0:00:16 | 0:00:22 | |
The date, April 27th 1985. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:27 | |
Let me introduce your finalists. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:30 | |
First, the player looking to cast off the tag of nearly man, | 0:00:31 | 0:00:35 | |
fresh from his Grand Prix win, hoping to go one step further than he ever has at the Crucible, | 0:00:35 | 0:00:43 | |
the 36-year-old smiley Irish man, Dennis Taylor! | 0:00:43 | 0:00:50 | |
Next, a man as serious on the baize as he is off it. | 0:00:57 | 0:01:01 | |
He's 27 years old and he's already won this title three times. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:08 | |
He is the world number one. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
He is your number one seed. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:15 | |
Please welcome Romford Slim, Steve Davis! | 0:01:15 | 0:01:21 | |
The famous snooker theme tune. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:56 | |
But then again, in 1985 every sports theme was popular. | 0:01:56 | 0:02:00 | |
Everybody knew them because you didn't need a satellite dish, you just needed the BBC. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:04 | |
MUSIC: VARIOUS SPORTS THEME TUNES | 0:02:04 | 0:02:10 | |
The music that acted as a cue to a roll call of very famous names. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
In 1985, there were only four channels. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:27 | |
So if you presented sport on the telly you were as famous as the players themselves. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:31 | |
Hello. Well, a pretty frustrating weekend all round... | 0:02:31 | 0:02:35 | |
Tonight we concentrate on the Winter Olympics. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:37 | |
That's it, as far as I'm concerned. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:38 | |
The famous Crucible theatre, here in Sheffield, which has seen a few dramas in its time, | 0:02:38 | 0:02:44 | |
gearing itself up for the last lap of the 1985 World Professional Snooker Championship. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:50 | |
It is, as I say, a remarkable final, and I'm glad you're with us to enjoy it here tonight. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:54 | |
I remember absolutely nothing of the last day, other than David Vine. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:59 | |
And if someone had told us that 18.5 million people were going to be tuned in... | 0:02:59 | 0:03:04 | |
As the hour reaches midnight, this final frame has now been in progress for 45 minutes. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:12 | |
I think it was a trauma. We were out of our depth. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
Both players under great strain. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
That particular night, snooker was the winner there. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:21 | |
The fact that I was involved in something where so | 0:03:21 | 0:03:25 | |
many people remember what they were doing, where they were when they were watching it, you know - wow! | 0:03:25 | 0:03:31 | |
For me, the '85 final meant staying up late. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
I was seven years old and had never seen the other side of midnight. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
It sounds silly, but that's the point, really. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:44 | |
It was more than just a snooker game and it meant to many things to so many different people. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:48 | |
I'm going to try and harness that. I'm going to travel to all four home nations, | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
starting at the southernmost tip of the Isle of Wight. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
Because in the beginning, there was David Icke. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
David Icke was, if you like, the Robin to David Vine's Batman, | 0:03:57 | 0:04:02 | |
so he's the perfect person to catch up with first on our travels | 0:04:02 | 0:04:05 | |
and find out a little bit more about the tournament as a whole. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:09 | |
David, Colin, I'm in your control. Where do you want to go? | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
Let's go home. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:13 | |
25 years ago - there will be people watching now who weren't born. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
Can you explain to me where snooker was? What was the state of the game? | 0:04:24 | 0:04:28 | |
Snooker had been a real in-the-shadows sport, and then | 0:04:28 | 0:04:33 | |
the BBC had the Pot Black programme and that gave it some public profile. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:37 | |
This is the last Pot Black, the last edition of the longest-running snooker programme in the world. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:44 | |
The programme that did so much to launch snooker into its modern era | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
and the multi-million pound industry we see today. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
It was absolutely massive. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:52 | |
In British terms, they were superstars, they were everywhere. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:56 | |
And a lot of them had been in the game in the early days | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
when they were thumbing a lift between exhibition games. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:03 | |
And it happened so fast. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:05 | |
The final, David, the most famous snooker match there has been and probably ever will be, | 0:05:09 | 0:05:13 | |
but before that there was a lot of frames and a lot of games. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
What type of tournament was it up until that point? | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
It was a real struggle that year. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:21 | |
We had one really good game, I remember, between Ray Reardon and John Parrott, went to 13-12 to Ray. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:27 | |
The rest of them, players were winning games comfortably and we had so much time to fill. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:33 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
When you're building to the climax of a tournament over two weeks, and now | 0:05:45 | 0:05:49 | |
you're filling time with knockabout exhibition games, because the semifinals have been over so easily, | 0:05:49 | 0:05:55 | |
then you think, well, this is a bloody nightmare of a tournament coming up. | 0:05:55 | 0:06:01 | |
-COMMENTATOR: -Steve Davis is really | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
riding on the crest of a wave at the moment. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:06 | |
Brimful of confidence. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:08 | |
I was probably mentally in as good a shape as you can get, and Dennis had reached embarrassment territory. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:15 | |
Which is the ideal situation to get a player in. Then you've got to just drill him into the ground. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:20 | |
I wonder what Dennis is thinking. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:22 | |
'I thought, what's going on here? It was a bit embarrassing.' | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
I wanted the floor to open up in the Crucible. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
I just didn't know where I was going. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:30 | |
I thought, "When am I going to get a proper chance?" | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
Well, a perfect performance by Steve Davis. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:41 | |
Eight frames to nil. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:43 | |
When Steve went 8-0 up in the final, | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
you thought, "This is the disaster tournament of all world championships that have been covered." | 0:06:46 | 0:06:53 | |
-# Could it be I'm falling in love -With you baby | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
-# Could it be I'm falling in love -Won't you tell me | 0:06:56 | 0:07:01 | |
# Could it be I'm falling in love... # | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
In 1985, I was nine. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:09 | |
My parents allowed me to stay up to watch the final. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
I was so tired, my eyes were straining to keep awake. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:15 | |
This year will see my 14th visit to the Crucible. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:19 | |
I even met my husband-to-be there. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:20 | |
In the '80s, it wasn't just the presenters who took centre stage. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:24 | |
Take a walk into any commentary box, and you would find giants of broadcasting. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:29 | |
Taken by Smith, lovely pass inside by Smith. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:33 | |
The Scots, like bloodhounds on the scent here. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
Steve Ovett coming home to take the gold medal! | 0:07:36 | 0:07:38 | |
Ayrton Senna is up to fourth position ahead of Schumacher. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
COMMENTARY INDISTINCT | 0:07:41 | 0:07:45 | |
Ooh, I say, what a volley! | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
Snooker had its very own monarch of the mic, and Ted Lowe whispered his way through that classic '85 final. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:55 | |
He's 90 this year, he still loves snooker, and he's kindly agreed, | 0:07:55 | 0:07:59 | |
a bit further up the coast, to let me come to his house. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:02 | |
This one was presented to me after my 50 years | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
by friends and colleagues at the BBC, which I treasure. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:14 | |
It's the old-fashioned mic, as you can see. A lovely piece, that. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:18 | |
What's it like to have friends at the BBC? | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
I'm still trying to get some! | 0:08:21 | 0:08:23 | |
I had quite a number over the course of years, | 0:08:23 | 0:08:27 | |
and they've all died on me, as it were! | 0:08:27 | 0:08:31 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:08:31 | 0:08:33 | |
That's good, that's fine, you're here! | 0:08:33 | 0:08:37 | |
When the camera panned to Dennis Taylor spending most of his time | 0:08:38 | 0:08:42 | |
on his derriere, and Davis at the table, what type of figure did Dennis Taylor cut, | 0:08:42 | 0:08:48 | |
as the score went up and up and up, and he hadn't won a single frame in the first eight? | 0:08:48 | 0:08:52 | |
Dennis produced a sad picture when he sat in that lonely chair. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:59 | |
And you could see the terrible agony he was going through as each frame went against him. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:06 | |
'Well, perhaps Dennis was saying a little prayer there.' | 0:09:06 | 0:09:10 | |
He was very close to his mum. The year before this particular final | 0:09:10 | 0:09:14 | |
he lost her, and there was something within him. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
I can't explain it. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
That he was doing this for his mum. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:21 | |
I was just going to go out and play and try and win the tournaments for my mum, the memory of my mum. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:27 | |
That seat in the Crucible, even though the people are | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
so close to you, can be one of the loneliest seats in sport. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
There were a couple of fellas behind me. I remember chatting to them. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:37 | |
It was something I always used to do anyway. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
So with the boys, and chatting away to my mum, | 0:09:40 | 0:09:44 | |
it kept me focused, but it wasn't a pretty place to be sitting, I can tell you. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:49 | |
Of course, it was almost hard for Dennis to look lonely | 0:09:49 | 0:09:54 | |
or depressed, because he had his ridiculous glasses on. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
Yes, this is true. | 0:09:57 | 0:09:59 | |
I always said that if Dennis didn't play snooker, he'd be a great comedian. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:04 | |
And these specs of his helped him a great deal. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:10 | |
Originally he got them from my dear old mate, Jack Karnehm. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:14 | |
Jack Karnehm was more than just a commentator. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
He was the inventor of glasses, a billiards champion and responsible | 0:10:17 | 0:10:21 | |
for arguably one of the greatest lines of snooker commentary ever. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:25 | |
Good luck, mate. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
Oh, wonderful. That is really, truly wonderful. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:35 | |
Timeless moments. Jack's son lives in Hampshire. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
His name is Richard and he's invited me down to talk about the legend | 0:10:40 | 0:10:44 | |
of the specs, and the invention of his father. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
As far as I'm aware, | 0:10:50 | 0:10:52 | |
he was the first man to say "under the cosh" on television. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:56 | |
They all use that now. | 0:10:56 | 0:10:58 | |
Yes, it's almost de rigeur, isn't it, for a sports commentator? | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
What does it mean, though? | 0:11:01 | 0:11:03 | |
It's a thing from fly fishing. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
If you catch a trout, | 0:11:05 | 0:11:07 | |
you take it out of the water, you cosh it. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
Oh, you bash it. Under the cosh. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:12 | |
So, if you're under a great deal of pressure, you're about to get bashed | 0:11:12 | 0:11:16 | |
about the head, you're under the cosh. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:18 | |
Dennis must definitely have felt like a trout just out of the water in that second session. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:24 | |
Father Jack's glasses would have been coming in for a little bit of stick, a little bit of ridicule. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:29 | |
Yes, they were always coming in for ridicule. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:32 | |
In fact, my father got a lot of ridicule when he first designed them. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:36 | |
But they were incredibly effective. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:38 | |
I remember Dennis worrying | 0:11:38 | 0:11:42 | |
about his eyesight was going, | 0:11:42 | 0:11:44 | |
and Dad said, well, "Try a pair of these clown's glasses on." | 0:11:44 | 0:11:49 | |
They suited Dennis well. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:50 | |
That's not bad. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:55 | |
I think there's only one way to say goodbye to you and that's just to say, "Good luck, mate." | 0:11:55 | 0:12:00 | |
Thank you very much! | 0:12:00 | 0:12:01 | |
# Don't you forget about me... # | 0:12:01 | 0:12:06 | |
I took a liberty, | 0:12:06 | 0:12:08 | |
a small liberty, with a ball down the rail into the green pocket. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:13 | |
He stretched across the table to pot a green. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
If the green goes in the corner pocket, it's 9-0. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:21 | |
Well, Steve Davis there at full stretch, in fact, overstretched. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:27 | |
I potted the green to pink to win my first frame. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
At last. One for Taylor, one out of nine. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:35 | |
The crowd all cheered in sort of, you know, relief. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:40 | |
Dennis, sort of, made fun in a way. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
What can you do? You can only go, "Oh, great, I've won a frame." For the fun of it, relief as well. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:49 | |
And then the tide turned, and I collapsed. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
Steve grew up in southeast London, and it was here at the Plumstead Working Man's Club where | 0:12:52 | 0:12:57 | |
a little scrawny 12-year-old first showed signs of what would be a remarkable career. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:03 | |
And where he learnt the game was on that bottom table playing billiards. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:13 | |
By rolling the ball up and down the table, | 0:13:13 | 0:13:17 | |
over the spots, backwards and forwards. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
And by placing a ball somewhere near the middle hole | 0:13:20 | 0:13:25 | |
and going in off that ball, into the middle hole. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:30 | |
But controlling it so that that other ball that was on the table would come back into an almost identical spot. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:38 | |
Roy Kenwood tells me you spent every day as a kid on a billiard table, | 0:13:38 | 0:13:42 | |
rolling the ball just up and down. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:44 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:13:44 | 0:13:46 | |
Yeah, gee whizz! Well, the early days for me are practice. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:51 | |
About following the Joe Davis blueprint for the game. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:56 | |
My father was very much... | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
Not a disciplinarian, but a stickler for practice and technique. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:03 | |
He played snooker, of course. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:05 | |
We played snooker on this table, | 0:14:05 | 0:14:08 | |
friendly matches. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:10 | |
But that's where he learnt the control of the ball, | 0:14:10 | 0:14:13 | |
the pace of the ball, direction into which it was going to go. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:17 | |
My father never told me to play snooker. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:19 | |
It was all of my drive. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
He was just delighted that I liked the game. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:24 | |
Effectively we'd go down the club together, father and son. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
I thought, at that stage, he would be the world billiard champion. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:31 | |
Yes, I did. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:33 | |
I came in here one night, and he said to me, "Do you want to see a 100 break, Roy?" I said, "Yeah." | 0:14:33 | 0:14:38 | |
And he placed two balls | 0:14:38 | 0:14:40 | |
on the cushions and the third one was there. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
Vertically with your cue, two, four, six, eight, ten, twelve fourteen sixteen...a hundred. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:48 | |
You try and do it, the balls will... It's control. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:53 | |
My father would be fairly defensive about, "Don't go for the big shot, always play within yourself." | 0:14:53 | 0:14:59 | |
So if I pushed the boat out, as it's commonly known in the snooker commentary box, and went for a shot | 0:14:59 | 0:15:04 | |
that was risky, I'd always get the criticism afterwards. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
Well, his father must have been doing something right, because with more than half a century | 0:15:07 | 0:15:12 | |
on the board, the man is still playing to the highest level. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:16 | |
You've just walked out at the Crucible for the 30th time, and got that love. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:21 | |
It's lovely. There are a lot of people obviously appreciate the world of snooker | 0:15:21 | 0:15:26 | |
and the characters in it, and the fact that... | 0:15:26 | 0:15:29 | |
That reception was quite amazing. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:31 | |
All I could say is, if it was me in the crowd and I'd watched | 0:15:31 | 0:15:35 | |
snooker all these years and there was somebody who'd done what I did, | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
I think I'd have to stand up and go, "Well, look - even if I didn't like you as a player, | 0:15:39 | 0:15:43 | |
"well done." | 0:15:43 | 0:15:45 | |
It was 25 years ago that Steve Davis, | 0:15:45 | 0:15:47 | |
along with Dennis Taylor, had us on the edges of our seats. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:51 | |
Fast forward a quarter of a century and Davis is at it again. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:56 | |
Back in 1985, there wasn't much to shout about, really. | 0:15:56 | 0:16:00 | |
The miners' strike had just ended a month before the world snooker final, | 0:16:00 | 0:16:04 | |
and the country, I suppose you could say, was at war with itself. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:08 | |
And at the end of this time, | 0:16:08 | 0:16:09 | |
our people are suffering tremendous hardship. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
So maybe Britain as a whole just needed a hero, | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
or at the very least a bit of escapism. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:17 | |
This is South Wales, it would have been a mining village. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
All the mines are closed now. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
So I doubt in April 1985 they cared a huge amount about a snooker final, | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
but there was one little boy lived out there called Mark Williams, | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
he was ten years old, he was the son of a miner and he would go on to | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
win two world titles, and I just have a feeling his memories might be a bit different. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:37 | |
So you're three years into your playing career, | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
you're one of the hottest prospects in Britain, you're about to win | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
your first youth trophy, but you didn't watch the 1985 final? | 0:16:46 | 0:16:50 | |
No, I can't remember watching it at the time. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
There was the miners' strike and all that stuff happening with the miners' thing, | 0:16:53 | 0:16:57 | |
and there was a lot more important things happening at that time and I just didn't get to see it. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:03 | |
I used to go picketing with my old man and that. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
There'd be 30, 40 people there kicking a football around, | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
all of a sudden this bus will come, going into the picket. It was like as if we'd turned into maniacs. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:14 | |
Throwing stones at the bus and just trying to stop it getting in, like. Incredible. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:18 | |
It's hard to understand when you're young, why didn't you just... | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
If they can go into work to get money, why don't you just do it as well? | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
But then at the time, you could get killed, like. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:28 | |
If you had been watching, on the Saturday night, the second session of that final, | 0:17:30 | 0:17:33 | |
Taylor came from eight down, and finished that session just 9-7 behind. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:39 | |
Both players then would have had to go to bed. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:41 | |
As someone who's been in these situations, what would have been in their head? | 0:17:41 | 0:17:45 | |
Well, the pressure reverses. Once you're eight frames behind, | 0:17:45 | 0:17:50 | |
you sit there, you must think to yourself... You can't win, really. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
You're just going to try to make the score respectable. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
You don't expect to win, and then all of a sudden | 0:17:56 | 0:17:58 | |
your arm loosens up, you start potting a few balls, making some breaks. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:02 | |
Steve Davis, I can't imagine, would have been the most popular snooker player in Cwm. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:07 | |
Probably not, because he used to win everything. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
I mean, we're a good old country for not liking people winning. I think that's our trademark. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:17 | |
But at the end of the day, he's got more popular now he's losing. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:20 | |
The British sporting public do not warm to winners, | 0:18:20 | 0:18:24 | |
to people who win, day in, day out. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:28 | |
-Did that hurt you? -A little bit. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
Not much. Because I could understand it, because I'm also British. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:35 | |
# Move closer... # | 0:18:35 | 0:18:40 | |
-COMMENTATOR: -So, 29-all after 43 minutes of really dogged, dour snooker. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:46 | |
But some of the frames I won in the evening session, | 0:18:48 | 0:18:50 | |
I was winning them with a frame-winning breaks, | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
and the last six frames, I kept Steve in his seat for most of the evening. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:57 | |
# Move closer... # | 0:18:57 | 0:19:01 | |
Overnight, the score had been 9-7 to me, | 0:19:01 | 0:19:06 | |
and had it been 7-all and I'd won the last two frames. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:09 | |
It would have been a completely different night's sleep. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:12 | |
As it was... I stole, I think, a line from Colin Powell, which was, | 0:19:12 | 0:19:18 | |
"I slept like a baby - woke up screaming every half an hour." | 0:19:18 | 0:19:23 | |
What an awful... My world had collapsed. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:25 | |
So Mark Williams didn't even watch the 1985 final. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:34 | |
He's one of just a few, I would imagine. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:36 | |
There's a player who actually turned pro at the age of 16, the youngest ever in the game, | 0:19:36 | 0:19:40 | |
in its entire history, and he lives just round the corner from Stirling Castle. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:44 | |
He did all right after he turned pro. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
He won seven world titles, so I think he'll have something to say. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
You're eight frames up, | 0:19:55 | 0:19:56 | |
but you go to bed and you wake up that next morning | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
for the second day and it's 9-7. You're only two frames ahead. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:03 | |
What's going through Steve's head at that stage? | 0:20:03 | 0:20:06 | |
I wouldn't like that feeling, because I think it's 8-0 up. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:10 | |
He'd be wanting to get Dennis down and put his foot on his throat and just finish him off. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:15 | |
That's what I'd be thinking. Whether you like them or not, whether it's your best pal, | 0:20:15 | 0:20:19 | |
you want to really destroy them and humiliate them. That's what I was like. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:23 | |
But yeah, then you're thinking, "My God, what if I lose this now?" | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
So when you woke up on that Sunday morning, as it was, of the '85 final, end of session three, | 0:20:26 | 0:20:32 | |
-you would have been cheering on Steve Davis, then? -Yeah. Very much so. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:37 | |
I've always been... In any sport I watch, I only want to see the best winning, | 0:20:37 | 0:20:42 | |
whether it be Steve Davis, Tiger Woods, Michael Schumacher when I was into Formula One... | 0:20:42 | 0:20:46 | |
I wanted to see the best winning. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:48 | |
I've never been an underdog supporter. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:49 | |
-Stephen Hendry, as a kid, he wanted Steve Davis to win in '85. -Did he? | 0:20:49 | 0:20:55 | |
Well, I think Ronnie O'Sullivan is the greatest player, then! | 0:20:55 | 0:20:59 | |
I think, by the third session, midway through, the nerves were there on both sides. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:03 | |
There was one moment when it was 10-8 to Steve Davis, | 0:21:03 | 0:21:06 | |
and Dennis Taylor had a dolly of a black | 0:21:06 | 0:21:10 | |
to win the frame and missed and went 11-8 down. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:14 | |
We all miss easy goals. I've been in hundreds of scrappy matches. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
-COMMENTATOR: -Well, in almost any circumstances in the world, he would have potted that. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:21 | |
In these circumstances, it proved missable. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
Looking back, I think there's probably been higher standards of snooker played in finals. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
COMMENTATOR: Well, no rushing to the table for this fella. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
He's already had two bites at the cherry and... | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
..appreciates just how important this black is. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:39 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:21:46 | 0:21:48 | |
# Everybody wants to rule the world... # | 0:21:51 | 0:21:56 | |
None of us had tickets for the final, so I queued up | 0:21:56 | 0:22:00 | |
and I managed to get the last ticket for the final session of the final. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:05 | |
But you completely forgot about mother and father, | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
so we had to spend the entire evening wondering what was going on, in the bar of the Grosvenor House Hotel. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:14 | |
The final? Well, I'll be honest - I never thought I'd be standing here tonight, | 0:22:14 | 0:22:18 | |
introducing this last session. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
And you were with all the snooker journalists, drinking. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
Heavily. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:25 | |
And the very latest news, at the end of the last session, | 0:22:25 | 0:22:28 | |
which didn't finish more than about half an hour ago, Davis leads 13 frames to 11. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:33 | |
18 are required to win the £60,000 cheque, so it'll be 11 to play. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:37 | |
Davis needs five and Taylor needs seven. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:42 | |
Those three sessions have gone into history now. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:44 | |
It's just down to the last one. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:46 | |
-13-11. -Lovely. -Enjoy the match. -Cheers. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:48 | |
Steve Davis, defending snooker champion of the world, with Barry Hearn just going out. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:53 | |
He's never very far away, his manager. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:55 | |
You see sport 360 degrees, from the punters paying the money to get in | 0:22:59 | 0:23:04 | |
to the entertainment on the baize or on the oche, or wherever it might be. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:08 | |
But I think it's important to note that Steve Davis was your boy. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:10 | |
-Yeah. -So you go back to 1976. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
-So for you, it wasn't just about the sport... -No. -..and the receipts. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
So you must have been as tired as him, going into that last session. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
Yeah. He was like family. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:20 | |
We were in this together and we beat the world. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:24 | |
If you go back to 1981, when he first won the World Championship, | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
that terrible scene of me celebrating, everything... | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
COMMENTATOR: Congratulations there to the Embassy world champion, Steve Davis, from his manager, Barry Hearn. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:37 | |
You have to understand the emotion. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:39 | |
I'd spent five years telling everyone I had the greatest player in the world, | 0:23:39 | 0:23:43 | |
-and he was my best friend, and we were going to kill everybody. -Yeah. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:46 | |
And that was not just me celebrating in '81 - it was vindication of everything that we'd both set for. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:53 | |
Steve and I would sit down in the early years and we would talk | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
about, what's it going to be like when we win the World Championship? | 0:23:56 | 0:24:00 | |
We would have tears rolling down our face. That was the intensity. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:03 | |
We wanted... Neither of us had anything, anything. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
We wanted to be somebody in our chosen sport. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
I'd like to thank all the people from Romford and from Plumstead Common Working Men's Club, | 0:24:09 | 0:24:14 | |
and everybody else all over the place. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:16 | |
Now, take that forward to '85, we were joined at the hip. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
I'd have taken a bullet for Steve Davis. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
He was so charismatic, whilst I was the total opposite, | 0:24:22 | 0:24:26 | |
but I did my job on the table and he did the best for me off the table, and we got on really well, | 0:24:26 | 0:24:31 | |
even though, in another walk of life, | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
I'd have probably been the last person he'd have ever befriended. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:38 | |
I wanted to be the manager of the world snooker champion who was also my best friend, | 0:24:38 | 0:24:43 | |
-so it wasn't a question of anyone else meant nothing at all. -Yeah. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
And suddenly, all of these lovely laid-out plans became questioned, | 0:24:46 | 0:24:51 | |
by some smiling Irishman who isn't supposed to win. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:57 | |
It didn't happen in the rehearsals, in our head. | 0:24:57 | 0:25:01 | |
And how do we cope with this now? | 0:25:01 | 0:25:03 | |
Because he won't go away. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:05 | |
And he keeps laughing and he's smiling and he's cracking jokes in the intervals and we don't like him! | 0:25:05 | 0:25:12 | |
Trevor East was there, I mean Trevor was great. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:21 | |
Trevor was the Head of Sport with ITV at the time | 0:25:21 | 0:25:23 | |
and he was with me throughout the whole of that championship. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:27 | |
The mood in the dressing room had just | 0:25:27 | 0:25:29 | |
changed dramatically from the day before. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:31 | |
Dennis was cracking jokes. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:32 | |
It was light hearted, there was banter, a bit of fun, | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
a lot of laughter and basically Dennis knew that he'd almost got the game. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:40 | |
There was still a way to go, but by Davis' demeanour we could tell | 0:25:40 | 0:25:45 | |
that he was under pressure and the game had completely turned. It was there for Dennis' taking. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:50 | |
You could hear them. They was enjoying it. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:52 | |
There was laughter coming from his dressing room. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:56 | |
There was no laughter coming from ours. There never really was. | 0:25:56 | 0:25:59 | |
We were serious in our business. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:01 | |
63. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:06 | |
-COMMENTATOR: -Taylor now needs snookers. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:08 | |
Davis won that first frame. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:10 | |
Momentum-wise and psychologically, you would imagine that was the perfect building point. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:15 | |
We couldn't have had a better start, but it still didn't mean anything because | 0:26:15 | 0:26:20 | |
the winning line wasn't there. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:22 | |
Had Davis won the frame after that, I think we would've been into Easy Street. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:26 | |
You won't see many better thought out shots to nothing than that. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
Let's just pause for a minute and consider the art of snooker. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:43 | |
Michael Myers has done this oil painting of the last frame of the '85 final and I absolutely love it. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:49 | |
Every one of these lines is a shot played in the most famous frame of snooker ever. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:54 | |
All 111 of them. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:56 | |
It kind of hits home to me when I look at this that it's a science, playing snooker. | 0:26:56 | 0:27:00 | |
It's something you're naturally born with. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:02 | |
For the rest of us, we're just rubbish at it. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:04 | |
I think like most semi-mugs, | 0:27:10 | 0:27:12 | |
every now and then I'll do a shot that would've got spirited applause | 0:27:12 | 0:27:18 | |
at the grappledrome or whatever it's called. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:23 | |
But there is not a shot that I can't miss. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:27 | |
Even if it's on the very brink of the pocket and it's a straight shot... | 0:27:27 | 0:27:32 | |
I'm just as likely to go in with, or instead, that's the other one. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:38 | |
I'm lost in admiration for what they do out there and also the stamina. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:43 | |
How, after four or five frames, I'm exhausted and no longer thinking very straight. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:51 | |
And for them it must be a kind of | 0:27:51 | 0:27:55 | |
delirium of concentration. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:57 | |
It's fiercely psychological | 0:27:57 | 0:27:59 | |
and you're never so far ahead that it's over, until it's over. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:03 | |
This final is now heading for | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
a very thrilling climax. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:14 | |
I'm here in East London's Theatreland to speak to actress, Cathy Murphy. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:18 | |
You may know her from programmes such as Shameless, EastEnders and Extras. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:22 | |
She's got a very different take on events 25 years ago. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
Let me take you back to 10:15 on 29th April 1985. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:35 | |
You would have been one of the few people in all of Britain not happy | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
when you tuned into BBC2 to see Dennis Taylor and Steve Davis. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:41 | |
No, not really because I was 17 and I was in a BBC production called | 0:28:41 | 0:28:45 | |
Bleak House and it was my first big break and I was really excited, | 0:28:45 | 0:28:49 | |
sitting round with my family and my then boyfriend to see Bleak House... | 0:28:49 | 0:28:52 | |
Miss Summerson, Miss Summerson, It's Mr Skimpole, miss. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:57 | |
He's been took. Mr Carson said would you come? | 0:28:57 | 0:28:59 | |
-Has Mrs Skimpole been taken ill? -Took, Miss. Sudden. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:02 | |
And instead this snooker match went on and on and on. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:06 | |
And I think it finished at about 12:15, which meant | 0:29:06 | 0:29:09 | |
Bleak House started at 12:15 and who's going to watch it then? | 0:29:09 | 0:29:12 | |
So I wasn't best pleased! | 0:29:12 | 0:29:14 | |
AUDIENCE MEMBERS CALL OUT | 0:29:21 | 0:29:23 | |
Gentlemen, please! | 0:29:23 | 0:29:25 | |
Shouting out upsets the player's concentration. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:28 | |
Please don't do it. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:29 | |
The 1985 Sports Personality Of The Year was an Irishman | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
but it wasn't to be Dennis Taylor, it was Barry McGuigan. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:36 | |
He too from a small town in Ireland, the underdog taking on the machine | 0:29:36 | 0:29:40 | |
and by the time Christmas 1985 came about, both of them shared a massive affinity. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:45 | |
What is it about the Irish where they have to be underdogs? | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
I mean, Dennis never laid against Steve, he was 17-15 down at this stage | 0:29:54 | 0:30:00 | |
and he's got to win the last three frames, no more room for error. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
Why do the Irish thrive when we're against the wall? | 0:30:03 | 0:30:06 | |
Lots of people say snooker players aren't real athletes, | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
but the level of concentration that they need | 0:30:09 | 0:30:11 | |
and all the people in the auditorium screaming and shouting, | 0:30:11 | 0:30:16 | |
he just showed phenomenal powers of recovery and fightback. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:20 | |
Just amazing. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:21 | |
Your father was this huge inspiration to you. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:24 | |
Unfortunately, Dennis had this backdrop of just losing his mother | 0:30:24 | 0:30:29 | |
who was his inspiration and he might not have lifted a cue again. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:33 | |
It happened with you when you lost your father, and with him when he lost his mother. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:37 | |
Do you believe in it? The fate of it? | 0:30:37 | 0:30:39 | |
Yes, absolutely. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:41 | |
I believe my dad's in a better place and I believe my brother | 0:30:41 | 0:30:44 | |
who committed suicide in '94, I believe they are with me. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:48 | |
I believe that when times get tough... | 0:30:48 | 0:30:50 | |
And it's interesting, I watched Dennis between those frames and I watched him as he sat down. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:59 | |
And I looked and thought, "What is going through his mind?" | 0:30:59 | 0:31:03 | |
What is he thinking about? Is he thinking, "Mum, where are you?" | 0:31:03 | 0:31:07 | |
You know, "Come and give me the strength," or whatever. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:12 | |
But he was able to garner | 0:31:12 | 0:31:15 | |
the strength and the psychology and the toughness of mind and the sureness to make those decisions. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:22 | |
Those little incremental mistakes that can destroy you. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:25 | |
Tell me a little bit about the media. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:27 | |
It wasn't just about what you were doing in the ring or at the table, was it? | 0:31:27 | 0:31:31 | |
-There were so many other connotations. People wanted to know your politics... -Yes. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:35 | |
I was just sick to death of it. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:37 | |
It was a tragic time for Northern Ireland. Everywhere you went, | 0:31:37 | 0:31:40 | |
it was just so intimidating, so frightening. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:43 | |
I thought, the one thing I want to do is bring people together. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:46 | |
I'm not going to wear any colours. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:47 | |
I didn't want to have anybody label me and I wouldn't do that. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:51 | |
I suppose a certain section of the community wouldn't have liked that, | 0:31:51 | 0:31:57 | |
but I didn't care about those. They weren't my supporters. | 0:31:57 | 0:32:00 | |
Dennis was exactly the same and he was such a lovely man. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
Such a great representative and everybody wanted him to do well and be successful. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:08 | |
In modern sport there are so many arrogant sportsmen and cocky and conceited people. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:13 | |
The world is full of that. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:15 | |
And ordinary Joe on the street doesn't like that sort of arrogance. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:19 | |
They can put up with it for a time, but after a while... | 0:32:19 | 0:32:22 | |
My old man used to say, "Just keep it simple, son." | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
Make as many friends as you can on the way up | 0:32:25 | 0:32:28 | |
because, you see, when you're on your way down they don't go, "Oh!" and let you slide down. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:34 | |
I enjoy people and I enjoy company | 0:32:34 | 0:32:36 | |
and it's difficult for me to be rude to people. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:39 | |
It's exactly the same with Dennis. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:42 | |
Regardless of any religion, people in Northern Ireland, | 0:32:42 | 0:32:45 | |
-in all of Ireland were on their feet for Dennis and were backing him. -Without a doubt. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:49 | |
I'm 325 miles from the Crucible Theatre in Sheffield. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:56 | |
I'm in Coalisland, County Tyrone, Northern Ireland, home of Dennis Taylor. | 0:32:56 | 0:33:00 | |
In this snooker club, that's where he cut his teeth. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:02 | |
I tell you why I'm here, I'm interested to find out the inspiration, | 0:33:02 | 0:33:06 | |
the strength that he got to come back again and again and again in the '85 final against the machine. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:11 | |
Brenda's his sister. I've met her before and her husband Seamus. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
Should have a welcoming committee. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:16 | |
Was he a bit of an absentee brother in terms of... | 0:33:21 | 0:33:23 | |
You would know where to find him if you needed him but he would come straight down here? | 0:33:23 | 0:33:27 | |
You'd find him in the snooker hall. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:29 | |
What he did do was | 0:33:29 | 0:33:30 | |
he would have come down and he would've played a game of snooker. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:34 | |
He didn't have any money so the boys would have given him a cigarette. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
He didn't smoke, he never did. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:39 | |
He would have played for a cigarette, | 0:33:39 | 0:33:41 | |
so he used to bring the cigarette home to Mum, Mum smoked, | 0:33:41 | 0:33:44 | |
and she would give him threepence for the cigarette. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:46 | |
So he would come down and play another game of snooker. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:49 | |
-That's how he got his money to play snooker. -What was it like in here, | 0:33:49 | 0:33:53 | |
his own snooker club, on the night of the final session? | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
I mean, you mustn't have been able to move. | 0:33:56 | 0:33:59 | |
It was one of those moments you say to yourself, | 0:33:59 | 0:34:02 | |
"Am I really here? Is it really happening?" | 0:34:02 | 0:34:04 | |
This was someone from your own town. A chance to be world champion. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:08 | |
Everybody was engrossed in it. It was unbelievable, an absolutely unbelievable atmosphere. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:13 | |
The actual lead-up to it, you couldn't write the script for it. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:17 | |
Not in that particular world final. I don't there's been one like it since. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:21 | |
All the rest of my sisters and brothers and brothers-in-law | 0:34:21 | 0:34:25 | |
all went to the final. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:26 | |
They were all over there. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:28 | |
I stayed at home with Dad. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:30 | |
I have to own up because I was whistling. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:32 | |
The referee had pointed to me to the stewards who put me out. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:43 | |
WHISTLES FROM AUDIENCE | 0:34:43 | 0:34:46 | |
MAN SPEAKS INAUDIBLY ..Straight through the door. Whoever it is. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:50 | |
Luckily enough I apologised to the stewards. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:52 | |
-They kept you in. -I got to stay on. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:54 | |
Thank God. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:57 | |
If you could be honest with me, Piers, were you thinking, | 0:34:57 | 0:35:00 | |
you know, "He has had his chance... | 0:35:00 | 0:35:02 | |
"He's done the town proud but it's another step too far... | 0:35:02 | 0:35:06 | |
"He can't possibly pull another frame back, let alone three"? | 0:35:06 | 0:35:10 | |
We're from Coalisland, you see. We have great faith. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:13 | |
And it's there. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:20 | |
And the audience is as thrilled as Dennis Taylor as he saves the match. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:29 | |
Now one frame behind at 17-16. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:33 | |
I knew at 17-15 that I really... Your back's against the wall. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:40 | |
But I had to pull all the stops out but I think at that stage what helped me | 0:35:40 | 0:35:44 | |
was I'd won six frames the night before, so you're saying to yourself, "Listen, if I can win six frames, | 0:35:44 | 0:35:51 | |
"there's no reason why I can't win three," and that's what you're telling yourself. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:56 | |
You forget sometimes how great Dennis is as a player, | 0:36:05 | 0:36:09 | |
and how great snooker he was playing at that period of his career | 0:36:09 | 0:36:12 | |
and to come back, it shows you the character of the man. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:16 | |
Steve Davis then concedes that particular frame and Dennis Taylor, a very satisfied Irishman, | 0:36:25 | 0:36:32 | |
sits there with the frames all square. 17 each. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:36 | |
I'm in The Working Men's Club in Cricklewood | 0:36:36 | 0:36:39 | |
and the final's just gone 17-17. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:41 | |
The bar steward is not happy. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:43 | |
He comes from behind the bar, up to the TV and switches it off and we're all gobsmacked. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:48 | |
So up I get, there's a few murmurs like, | 0:36:48 | 0:36:50 | |
I put my finger on the TV on/off button, | 0:36:50 | 0:36:51 | |
and I hear in the background, "McBride, | 0:36:51 | 0:36:53 | |
"you turn that TV on and you'll be up in front of the committee by Wednesday, that I promise you." | 0:36:53 | 0:36:58 | |
I'm thinking, "What do I do? I can't miss this." | 0:36:58 | 0:37:00 | |
So I switch it on. I sit back down, I get a big round of applause and we carry on watching the final. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:04 | |
Next night, up I go for a pint and a game of snooker and there's a letter on the door for me. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:08 | |
Open up the letter, true to his word, I'm in front of the committee on the Wednesday. | 0:37:08 | 0:37:12 | |
Up I go on the Wednesday. Barred me for three months. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:15 | |
John Williams refereed every frame of the '85 final and I think he had the best seat in the house. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:26 | |
I say best seat - he wasn't allowed to sit down! | 0:37:26 | 0:37:29 | |
John, you've announced the beginning of a million frames, | 0:37:37 | 0:37:40 | |
but I would imagine none as intense as the 35th frame of the '85 final? | 0:37:40 | 0:37:44 | |
So tell me, at the start of that 35th frame, | 0:37:46 | 0:37:48 | |
who did you think was going to win the title? | 0:37:48 | 0:37:50 | |
I honestly and sincerely haven't got a clue. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:57 | |
I just wanted it finished. | 0:37:57 | 0:37:58 | |
The world champion puts the cue ball right underneath the bulk cushion. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:02 | |
When I was under extreme pressure | 0:38:02 | 0:38:04 | |
I used to get a little bit red in the face. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:08 | |
And that last frame, I remember looking at Steve and Steve was going the opposite. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:13 | |
They were going greyer by the minute. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:15 | |
Whereas you had two fairly young gentlemen playing a snooker match, | 0:38:15 | 0:38:20 | |
suddenly they seemed to get to middle age and then it looked like old age. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:24 | |
Their faces were changing and they just... | 0:38:24 | 0:38:26 | |
Really, I think would have preferred to have been anywhere except there for that final frame. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:32 | |
When you get to a one frame shoot-out, all you are thinking is, | 0:38:35 | 0:38:38 | |
"Let me get a chance early on." | 0:38:38 | 0:38:40 | |
Just please let me get one chance. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:42 | |
I don't want to have to spend the last frame sitting in the seat. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:45 | |
Any mistake now, very expensive. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:49 | |
This is the final frame of the world championship, 1985. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:53 | |
I couldn't even bear to watch it in the sitting room. I couldn't bear to stay on the settee. | 0:38:55 | 0:39:00 | |
I was actually behind the door in the hall watching through that narrow crack in the door, | 0:39:00 | 0:39:06 | |
with a hat right down over my head and every so often I would lift it up just to see how he was doing. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:12 | |
Every time I watched on telly, | 0:39:12 | 0:39:14 | |
Dennis would miss. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:17 | |
And it got to the point and my wife Linda was with me, that I would go out the room. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:22 | |
And she'd say, "No, Davis has missed!" | 0:39:24 | 0:39:27 | |
And he's missed it! | 0:39:27 | 0:39:29 | |
Just out of our depth. Frightened rabbits in the headlights. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:34 | |
I suppose it was destined to go to the last ball. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:36 | |
It was just destined, because I don't think we made a 10 break. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:39 | |
Steve Davis. 5. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:42 | |
I think I'd rather have one of my teeth pulled out without anaesthetic | 0:39:42 | 0:39:46 | |
than watch any part of that final. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:49 | |
I remember, God rest his soul, the great Cliff Wilson, | 0:39:49 | 0:39:52 | |
the Welsh professional who was a great potter. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:54 | |
I remember him saying, he said, "I've never seen safety like that." | 0:39:54 | 0:39:58 | |
There was a spell in that match | 0:39:58 | 0:40:00 | |
where we kept flicking balls along the top cushion, | 0:40:00 | 0:40:02 | |
hitting them very thin, so you wouldn't push it over a pocket. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:06 | |
Our safety was good. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:07 | |
Well, a terrific shot from Dennis Taylor there from that position. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:16 | |
I had the job of presenting the Youth Cup each year. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:26 | |
And Dennis won it | 0:40:26 | 0:40:29 | |
two years running, I think. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:31 | |
And the next year, another boy from the class beat him. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:35 | |
And he took it very badly. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:37 | |
He wanted to win. Dennis wanted to win. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:40 | |
Concentration written all over his face. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:43 | |
Looking for his first world title. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:46 | |
Never rushed himself, you know? | 0:40:47 | 0:40:51 | |
He had his own pace. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:55 | |
Even in football he was the same. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:57 | |
He took his own thing at his own pace, but always got there. | 0:40:57 | 0:41:01 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:41:03 | 0:41:05 | |
If someone who you admire and look at thinks they can do it, | 0:41:07 | 0:41:11 | |
you think to yourself, "I can do it too." | 0:41:11 | 0:41:14 | |
I had to pot the ball into the yellow pocket, run off side and | 0:41:15 | 0:41:20 | |
bottom cushion, come back up the table, past a ball that was covering. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:24 | |
I underhit it fractionally, and I was using the rest. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:27 | |
And I started to grip hold of the rest tighter and tighter. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:31 | |
And we had a fight over the rest. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:33 | |
I might have won it then. That could have been that close. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:38 | |
I was trying to run Take Your Pick in the back room. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:42 | |
I had two runners. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:45 | |
Every shot was played, you know, "He's making another break." | 0:41:45 | 0:41:49 | |
The worst place that Steve can finish is straight on the green. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:53 | |
Somebody was saying, "Forget about Take Your Pick." | 0:41:57 | 0:42:01 | |
So I just downed everything, came out and couldn't get near the TV. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:04 | |
Couldn't even see the TV. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:06 | |
Steve Davis's focus was amazing. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:15 | |
I remember him fluking the green, | 0:42:17 | 0:42:19 | |
and he just stiffly walked round the table and carried on as if nothing had happened. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:23 | |
Steve wasn't really a human being, he was a machine. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:27 | |
Steve Davis was built, trained, educated to win snooker tournaments. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:32 | |
And he was a well-oiled machine. | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
18 points in it. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:42 | |
22 points on the table. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:44 | |
This frame now has been going 55 minutes. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:46 | |
The longest frame of the final. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:49 | |
It was a very exciting match, and 17-year-olds don't really like snooker, | 0:42:49 | 0:42:53 | |
but I had to watch it because I wanted to watch what was after it. | 0:42:53 | 0:42:56 | |
When we got to the brown, I had made my mind up then, | 0:42:56 | 0:42:59 | |
this was probably the last chance to win the world title. | 0:42:59 | 0:43:02 | |
"Have a go at whatever is there. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:04 | |
"If it's any sort of chance, have a go at it." | 0:43:04 | 0:43:06 | |
Dennis had a go. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:13 | |
Very tense moments here now at the Crucible Theatre. | 0:43:13 | 0:43:17 | |
The atmosphere in the place was alive. | 0:43:17 | 0:43:20 | |
It was absolutely buzzing. | 0:43:20 | 0:43:22 | |
You were seen often talking to yourself on TV. | 0:43:31 | 0:43:34 | |
People thought you'd been touched with madness at some stages, because it had been going on for that long. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:40 | |
Well, it was a mixture of both. | 0:43:40 | 0:43:42 | |
I was having a little quiet chat to my mum, but that, probably the muttering would have been... | 0:43:42 | 0:43:47 | |
And Steve's friends, who were up in the gods, I couldn't see them. | 0:43:49 | 0:43:53 | |
We used to call them the Romford crowd. | 0:43:53 | 0:43:55 | |
They used to travel with Steve. | 0:43:55 | 0:43:57 | |
They were all nice blokes, but there used to be seven or eight of them. | 0:43:57 | 0:44:01 | |
And they were up there, and they had this Romford chant, you know? | 0:44:01 | 0:44:05 | |
When you made a mistake, | 0:44:05 | 0:44:06 | |
you heard it coming from the gods. "Come on, Steve. Come on, my son." | 0:44:06 | 0:44:10 | |
And they really did get me a little bit angry, angry enough to keep me going without cracking completely. | 0:44:14 | 0:44:21 | |
Moving the black just might help Dennis. He wants the four balls. | 0:44:30 | 0:44:35 | |
He could afford to go for the pot, he only wanted the one ball. | 0:45:10 | 0:45:14 | |
He was 33-1 prior to the World Championships. | 0:45:14 | 0:45:16 | |
Myself and a fella from down here called Brendan Campbell, we had a £10 bet on. | 0:45:16 | 0:45:20 | |
So, he wasn't going to lose. Because we couldn't afford to lose £10. | 0:45:20 | 0:45:23 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:45:32 | 0:45:34 | |
The brown that I potted down the cushion | 0:45:34 | 0:45:36 | |
was one of the best shots I think I've ever played. | 0:45:36 | 0:45:39 | |
Under that sort of pressure. | 0:45:39 | 0:45:42 | |
And then I'm left with a tricky blue. | 0:45:42 | 0:45:43 | |
CHEERING | 0:45:47 | 0:45:49 | |
At this stage, the crowd were just... It was incredible. | 0:45:49 | 0:45:52 | |
And the pink was quite difficult as well. | 0:45:54 | 0:45:57 | |
CHEERING | 0:46:03 | 0:46:04 | |
The final frame, the final black. | 0:46:10 | 0:46:13 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:46:13 | 0:46:16 | |
I don't know why, why I went and kissed the little lady | 0:46:17 | 0:46:20 | |
on the top of the trophy before I took the double on, on the black. | 0:46:20 | 0:46:23 | |
I don't know to this day why I did that. | 0:46:23 | 0:46:25 | |
It must have been, "I'm going to win you here with this shot, or I'm going to lose you." | 0:46:25 | 0:46:29 | |
AUDIENCE GROANS | 0:46:35 | 0:46:38 | |
-It was an unbelievably brave/foolish shot to take on? -It was. | 0:46:38 | 0:46:42 | |
I know, if I go for the double and miss it, | 0:46:42 | 0:46:45 | |
at least I've gone down trying to pull a double off. | 0:46:45 | 0:46:50 | |
I have never known an atmosphere like this. | 0:46:50 | 0:46:53 | |
Thank you once again, please. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:54 | |
John Williams, our referee, trying to keep the crowd in order. | 0:46:54 | 0:46:59 | |
I didn't want anybody in particular to win. | 0:46:59 | 0:47:01 | |
I just wanted a winner. | 0:47:01 | 0:47:04 | |
And, if you like, "Let's all go home." | 0:47:04 | 0:47:06 | |
A good one. | 0:47:12 | 0:47:14 | |
You can train and practise all you like, but I think sometimes | 0:47:19 | 0:47:23 | |
you get to a maximum pressure, and you can't get any more than maximum. | 0:47:23 | 0:47:27 | |
And maximum is enough for anybody. | 0:47:27 | 0:47:29 | |
I'm sure Dennis wouldn't mind my saying, he chanced his arm. | 0:47:47 | 0:47:51 | |
And he's come out lucky. | 0:47:51 | 0:47:53 | |
The fascinating thing about snooker is, sometimes the best | 0:48:02 | 0:48:05 | |
tension type snooker is the stuff where people are missing. | 0:48:05 | 0:48:07 | |
When it's 100 break, 100 break, 100 break, and nobody is missing a ball, no tension. | 0:48:07 | 0:48:11 | |
Really, in its own way, there is no tension. | 0:48:11 | 0:48:14 | |
Everybody starts missing, the crowd get at it as well. | 0:48:14 | 0:48:16 | |
So, the crowd's at it, I'm at it, everybody's at it. | 0:48:16 | 0:48:19 | |
Nobody can hold their arms still. | 0:48:19 | 0:48:21 | |
AUDIENCE GROANS | 0:48:23 | 0:48:24 | |
That was the biggest shot of his life. | 0:48:24 | 0:48:26 | |
What a twitch. I missed that black by so far, | 0:48:26 | 0:48:30 | |
it nearly came up and in the pocket I was leaning over. | 0:48:30 | 0:48:32 | |
I went back to my seat, and I thought, "There is no way Steve Davis will miss the black." | 0:48:32 | 0:48:38 | |
I always get a bit upset, people think it was closer than it was. | 0:48:38 | 0:48:41 | |
But, you know, the black was miles away from the pocket... | 0:48:41 | 0:48:45 | |
No, it was pottable. | 0:48:45 | 0:48:47 | |
I thought, "Right, I've just got to keep everything together." | 0:48:47 | 0:48:50 | |
It's not your cue, not your legs, not your arms. | 0:48:50 | 0:48:53 | |
You've just got to deliver it straight. | 0:48:53 | 0:48:54 | |
When Davis has to cut the black in, of course, this is Davis, OK? | 0:48:54 | 0:48:59 | |
So, I said, "I'm going to bed. | 0:48:59 | 0:49:01 | |
"It's over." | 0:49:01 | 0:49:03 | |
No! | 0:49:03 | 0:49:05 | |
My wife shouted, "He's missed it!" I couldn't believe it. | 0:49:06 | 0:49:10 | |
Hope is what happens. You go, "Hope." | 0:49:12 | 0:49:14 | |
And outcome. | 0:49:14 | 0:49:17 | |
And then, "Oh...dear." | 0:49:17 | 0:49:20 | |
CROWD SHOUT EXCITEDLY | 0:49:22 | 0:49:24 | |
I can't comprehend it now, that he missed it, because that isn't Steve. | 0:49:24 | 0:49:27 | |
The one thing Steve has got, apart from his ability to play the game, is a wonderful temperament. | 0:49:27 | 0:49:32 | |
This is really unbelievable. | 0:49:32 | 0:49:35 | |
The way Dennis Taylor shaped to take that shot, he took forever to | 0:49:37 | 0:49:41 | |
make up his mind that he was going to pot it. | 0:49:41 | 0:49:43 | |
He didn't break, and Steve broke on that last ball. | 0:49:43 | 0:49:46 | |
And that was just unbelievable. | 0:49:46 | 0:49:49 | |
He's done it! | 0:49:59 | 0:50:00 | |
CROWD CHEERS WILDLY | 0:50:00 | 0:50:03 | |
Dennis Taylor, for the first time, becomes Embassy World Snooker Champion 1985. | 0:50:03 | 0:50:12 | |
He took that final black, which was the first time he'd been in front in the whole match. | 0:50:12 | 0:50:17 | |
It lingers in the memory so much, because it went on so long | 0:50:26 | 0:50:29 | |
and one of the players came from 8-0 down, | 0:50:29 | 0:50:33 | |
to win on the final black in the final frame over 35 frames. | 0:50:33 | 0:50:36 | |
The whole place here at the Crucible erupting for this very popular Irishman. | 0:50:36 | 0:50:43 | |
You can't help but like Dennis, so you're quite pleased for him, | 0:50:44 | 0:50:47 | |
wagging his finger when you wanted to smack him straight in the nose! | 0:50:47 | 0:50:51 | |
That was at me. And all he was saying was, "I told you I could do it!" | 0:50:51 | 0:50:56 | |
And a sad champion | 0:50:56 | 0:50:59 | |
Steve Davis looks on. | 0:50:59 | 0:51:00 | |
Having someone giving it all this, kissing the trophy, and you're sat in the corner. | 0:51:00 | 0:51:04 | |
Then David Vine says, "How do you feel?" | 0:51:04 | 0:51:06 | |
-Can you believe what's happened tonight yet? -Yeah, it happened in black and white. | 0:51:06 | 0:51:11 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:51:11 | 0:51:12 | |
What did people want him to say? | 0:51:12 | 0:51:14 | |
A fabulous picture, of a very happy and popular man. | 0:51:16 | 0:51:20 | |
The first thought was, "I'm World Champion!" | 0:51:25 | 0:51:27 | |
After all these years, I've become World Champion | 0:51:27 | 0:51:30 | |
and it's a very, very special feeling. And then, after that, | 0:51:30 | 0:51:34 | |
I had no idea what was going to happen. | 0:51:34 | 0:51:36 | |
It was the end. | 0:51:36 | 0:51:37 | |
There were no more balls. 17 days of playing for one ball at the end. | 0:51:39 | 0:51:44 | |
And you can't do anything about it. | 0:51:44 | 0:51:47 | |
And you've messed it up. | 0:51:47 | 0:51:50 | |
And that's snooker. | 0:51:50 | 0:51:53 | |
I suppose you look back on it 25 years later, sitting here now, | 0:51:53 | 0:51:57 | |
and have immense love for that occasion? | 0:51:57 | 0:51:59 | |
Well, my thoughts, obviously, being the type of animal I am, I immediately signed Dennis Taylor. | 0:51:59 | 0:52:04 | |
Which I think sort of sums me up perfectly, really, doesn't it? | 0:52:04 | 0:52:07 | |
It was great. And Steve said, "Thanks, mate(!)" | 0:52:07 | 0:52:10 | |
And I had a few letters from his fans saying, "How could you?" | 0:52:10 | 0:52:14 | |
I said, "There's a bigger picture here." | 0:52:14 | 0:52:16 | |
De-nnis, De-nnis, | 0:52:16 | 0:52:17 | |
De-nnis, De-nnis, De-nnis! | 0:52:17 | 0:52:20 | |
It's a very small town. What did it mean for this place and its proud tradition, | 0:52:23 | 0:52:28 | |
the pictures that adorn the wall of hundreds and hundreds of snooker players? | 0:52:28 | 0:52:32 | |
To have one win a world title? | 0:52:32 | 0:52:34 | |
It was maybe one of the biggest sporting moments in that particular year, and maybe the years since. | 0:52:34 | 0:52:39 | |
As soon as he potted the black ball, we all became involved in that. You know, we were part of that. | 0:52:39 | 0:52:44 | |
I had that good faith that Mummy was behind him, and that she would see him through to the final. | 0:52:53 | 0:52:58 | |
-Which she did. -So that was constantly on your mind, then? | 0:52:58 | 0:53:00 | |
The whole way through, when you were sitting in the Crucible, | 0:53:00 | 0:53:03 | |
you knew it wasn't really about lifting that trophy? | 0:53:03 | 0:53:06 | |
We were thinking, "He could be world champion," | 0:53:06 | 0:53:08 | |
and you, the family and Dennis were thinking something completely different. | 0:53:08 | 0:53:12 | |
He's thinking that it's for her. | 0:53:12 | 0:53:14 | |
It's not so much exactly the World Champion, or whatever he's going to be, | 0:53:14 | 0:53:18 | |
it's going to be a win for Mummy, and he did it. | 0:53:18 | 0:53:20 | |
It's weird that people have won that title, Stephen Hendry seven times, Steve Davis six times, | 0:53:21 | 0:53:27 | |
but for some reason, winning it just that once seems to be... | 0:53:27 | 0:53:30 | |
Once was enough for Dennis. He said, "You only have to win it the once." | 0:53:30 | 0:53:34 | |
You win it the once to be remembered, but it's one that will never be forgotten. | 0:53:34 | 0:53:37 | |
I think, because of the situation, being on the black ball. | 0:53:37 | 0:53:42 | |
Everybody knows where they were when Dennis won the World Championships in '85. | 0:53:42 | 0:53:46 | |
-And done with dignity? -With dignity, it was. | 0:53:46 | 0:53:50 | |
Dennis Taylor, snooker champion of the world. | 0:53:50 | 0:53:53 | |
CHEERING | 0:53:53 | 0:53:56 | |
What did you say? | 0:53:57 | 0:53:59 | |
I'll tell you what, | 0:54:01 | 0:54:04 | |
it's a good job the black was over the pocket! | 0:54:04 | 0:54:06 | |
But, well, I don't know, that's definitely | 0:54:09 | 0:54:12 | |
one of the greatest matches I've ever been involved in in my life. | 0:54:12 | 0:54:16 | |
Has anything like that ever happened in a match before to you? | 0:54:16 | 0:54:20 | |
-Have you gone through anything like that, emotion and tension? -No. | 0:54:20 | 0:54:25 | |
To beat Steve Davis, who's been the best player in the world, | 0:54:25 | 0:54:31 | |
you know, there's not a lot more you can say, really. | 0:54:31 | 0:54:33 | |
MEN SHOUT | 0:54:33 | 0:54:35 | |
Well, I'm the best THIS year. | 0:54:35 | 0:54:37 | |
CHEERING | 0:54:37 | 0:54:40 | |
Ladies and gentlemen, Steve Davis and Dennis Taylor, who have created a wonderful match here tonight. | 0:54:40 | 0:54:45 | |
I think we both realised we were involved, there have been some great, great matches, | 0:54:49 | 0:54:54 | |
and some great moments in snooker. | 0:54:54 | 0:54:55 | |
To win it in the way I did was like winning four world titles, that, all wrapped up in one. | 0:54:55 | 0:55:02 | |
People get what they deserve. He's a grafter. He grafted. | 0:55:02 | 0:55:07 | |
Got himself back, worked on his technique a bit. | 0:55:07 | 0:55:10 | |
Never gave up. What more can you ask for? Well done, Den. | 0:55:10 | 0:55:15 | |
The 1985 Embassy Snooker Champion of the World, with a cheque for £60,000, and the trophy, Dennis Taylor! | 0:55:15 | 0:55:23 | |
I would need so much more than 59 minutes to fill you in about everything that I have learnt | 0:55:31 | 0:55:36 | |
on my journey across Britain and Ireland to discover the real story of the '85 final. | 0:55:36 | 0:55:41 | |
But, here's a couple of gems I haven't yet managed to fit in. | 0:55:41 | 0:55:44 | |
I've learned that David Icke, despite having 30,000 people | 0:55:44 | 0:55:47 | |
in his social networking group, doesn't do crowds. | 0:55:47 | 0:55:51 | |
Me? I don't do groups, I don't do groups. | 0:55:51 | 0:55:53 | |
I've learned that winners not only detest losing, but have very little time for losers. | 0:55:53 | 0:55:59 | |
Oh, you...! | 0:55:59 | 0:56:02 | |
Fiver! | 0:56:02 | 0:56:03 | |
You guys are going out to lunch today, courtesy of my bloody puggy. | 0:56:03 | 0:56:07 | |
If he had a bit of bottle about him, he would have won seven world titles. | 0:56:07 | 0:56:10 | |
I learned that one Northern Irish champion made a future one late for training. | 0:56:10 | 0:56:15 | |
I was late for training the next day. | 0:56:15 | 0:56:17 | |
I don't think anybody minded, because most of the sparring partners were watching it anyway. | 0:56:17 | 0:56:21 | |
I've learned that Ma'am is a snooker fan. | 0:56:21 | 0:56:24 | |
She said she did follow the game of snooker on the box. | 0:56:24 | 0:56:27 | |
And I knew that the Duke of Edinburgh did, because they had a table put in at Buckingham Palace. | 0:56:27 | 0:56:33 | |
I've learned that Dennis Taylor, just before the final frame, nipped out to use "the toilet". | 0:56:33 | 0:56:39 | |
17-17, Dennis left the arena, beckoned me to follow him. | 0:56:39 | 0:56:42 | |
I never really thought we were going out to talk tactics or something. | 0:56:42 | 0:56:45 | |
In fact, we just had a quick nip of brandy to calm the nerves. | 0:56:45 | 0:56:48 | |
I've also learnt it's a bad idea to bet your student grant on a snooker match. | 0:56:48 | 0:56:52 | |
It meant that I had to leave my rented accommodation, | 0:56:52 | 0:56:55 | |
because I couldn't afford to pay them. | 0:56:55 | 0:56:57 | |
And I had to sleep in a tent in Harlow Park for a month. | 0:56:57 | 0:57:02 | |
In the coldest spring for 50 years. | 0:57:02 | 0:57:05 | |
You know what I learned, above everything? | 0:57:05 | 0:57:07 | |
It's how much it still means to people. | 0:57:07 | 0:57:10 | |
No shortage of people who want to talk about it. | 0:57:10 | 0:57:12 | |
And also, I think in both of your eyes, coming to the end | 0:57:12 | 0:57:15 | |
of the journey and interviewing both of you, that you still feel it? | 0:57:15 | 0:57:19 | |
So, I'm thinking 25 years, it's a long time, right? | 0:57:20 | 0:57:23 | |
A quarter of a century. I'm just wondering, 25 years later, | 0:57:23 | 0:57:28 | |
just us three. | 0:57:28 | 0:57:31 | |
We do it again? The final frame? | 0:57:31 | 0:57:33 | |
-That would be good. -You've got nothing to lose. | 0:57:33 | 0:57:36 | |
Let me just think. | 0:57:36 | 0:57:38 | |
I'd love to do it again. | 0:57:38 | 0:57:40 | |
What do you think? There's just us. | 0:57:40 | 0:57:42 | |
-We've got the table here, it's set up. -I'll break. | 0:57:42 | 0:57:45 | |
They created a piece of, not just snooker history, but great British sporting drama. | 0:58:00 | 0:58:05 | |
Any sportsman gives us something that goes into our memory banks, | 0:58:05 | 0:58:09 | |
gives us a warm feeling that says, "You know, I was ever so glad I saw that. That was a bit special." | 0:58:09 | 0:58:14 | |
And, you know what, | 0:58:14 | 0:58:16 | |
that WAS a bit special. | 0:58:16 | 0:58:17 | |
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