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CHEERING | 0:00:08 | 0:00:11 | |
And joy for every England player on the field. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:17 | |
In top-level sport, you live for the big moment. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:21 | |
Your career is defined as much by the highs... | 0:00:21 | 0:00:25 | |
Tony Adams, oh, what a finish! | 0:00:25 | 0:00:29 | |
What a way to clinch the championship. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:31 | |
..as it is by the lows. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:34 | |
You cannot be serious. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:36 | |
That ball was on the line. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:38 | |
You ride the wave they create | 0:00:38 | 0:00:41 | |
until suddenly, one day, it's all over. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:44 | |
And as they say, you're a long time retired. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:48 | |
When the day came for me to announce my retirement as England | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
cricket captain, I was shocked at how emotional I felt. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
I thought I'd prepared myself, I thought I could handle it easily. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:09 | |
How wrong was I! | 0:01:09 | 0:01:11 | |
And I know how proud my mum and dad have been. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:14 | |
'My reaction to this life-changing moment surprised me, | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
'and ever since, I've wondered if others had felt the same way.' | 0:01:19 | 0:01:24 | |
Over the past few months, I've been meeting a few sports stars | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
to see how they cope with retirement. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
I've done pretty much everything I've said that I would not do. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:36 | |
What are they doing now? | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
How have they come to terms with their new lives? | 0:01:39 | 0:01:41 | |
Being in intensive care, not even being able to speak, | 0:01:41 | 0:01:45 | |
is a pretty tough pill to swallow. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
There's a numbness, in the sense, what do I do, what can I do, who am I? | 0:01:48 | 0:01:53 | |
I still have moments where I just go, "I have a baby, oh my God, | 0:01:53 | 0:01:57 | |
"what am I doing?" | 0:01:57 | 0:01:59 | |
I also talked to others on the verge of retirement | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
to see if they realise what's in store. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:04 | |
I could be stacking shelves in Morrisons if I don't pull my finger out. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
I just can't leave it alone. It's like a drug to me, I'm obsessed. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:11 | |
That fix, how do you get that elsewhere? | 0:02:11 | 0:02:15 | |
Do you get it from alcohol, from drugs, | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
from pulling girls? | 0:02:17 | 0:02:18 | |
I haven't retired, I don't even think the word. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:22 | |
I don't accept anything. Maybe because I don't feel unfulfilled. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:26 | |
"Thinking too much about what will happen in the future. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:34 | |
"What will I do after cricket? Do I still want all this?" | 0:02:34 | 0:02:38 | |
This is what I wrote a year before I resigned the England captaincy. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:43 | |
I didn't think | 0:02:43 | 0:02:45 | |
I was that close to retirement. But these things happen so fast. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
Retirement is a tough decision for anyone, | 0:02:48 | 0:02:52 | |
but whereas most people do it in their 60s, | 0:02:52 | 0:02:54 | |
in professional sport you do it at half that age. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
I think I've made the transition quite well, | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
but because I planned for it, it was easier to let go. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
I wanted to find out if other sports people could actually live without their sport. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:12 | |
I'm 11 years down the road from retirement. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
I was ready at the end, very similar to yourself. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
I'd done everything that I wanted to do. And it didn't make me sad. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:28 | |
Tony Adams! Oh, what a finish! | 0:03:28 | 0:03:32 | |
What a way to clinch the championship. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
Tony Adams, Arsenal and England hero, overcame alcoholism | 0:03:35 | 0:03:39 | |
while he was still playing. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:41 | |
That fight and battle put him in good stead | 0:03:41 | 0:03:43 | |
for when he finished his playing days. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:44 | |
I had six years, I think, from when I sobered up to when I retired | 0:03:44 | 0:03:48 | |
to get to know a little bit about me. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:50 | |
I lived on my own, I got divorced in that period. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:54 | |
I had six years living on my own in Putney, southwest London, | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
getting to know Tony, warts and all. | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
Sometimes it was a bit scary. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:01 | |
But I kind of was ready, learnt a few tools, | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
and then the retirement happened. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
What tools did you learn in that six-year period? | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
You know, how to deal with normal stuff, feelings, you know. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:14 | |
The best thing about my recovery is that I've got my feelings back. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:18 | |
But the worst thing about my recovery is that I've got my feelings back. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:22 | |
There's anger, there's lust, there's millions of stuff that's in there. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:27 | |
I was an emotional cripple, you know. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:30 | |
Emotional intelligence is something that I've learnt | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
over the last...learnt over the last 15 years. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:37 | |
Tony set up the Sporting Chance Clinic to help other sportsmen and women | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
struggling with addiction. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:45 | |
When a sports person, amateur of professional, comes in here | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
and wants residential treatment, usually they do it 28 days. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:53 | |
They'll stay in these cottages, in the offices as well. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:57 | |
I love today. I'm an upright, breathing... Life is fantastic. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:03 | |
-I can do anything that I want to do today. -Would you do it again? | 0:05:03 | 0:05:06 | |
Oh, like a shot. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:08 | |
Like a shot. I wouldn't change one bit. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:10 | |
So you'd go back, centre half, head the ball again. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
Of course. Who wouldn't? | 0:05:13 | 0:05:14 | |
Do you wish your body was good enough still to play in the Premier league? | 0:05:14 | 0:05:18 | |
I reckon I can do it! | 0:05:18 | 0:05:19 | |
I know you can't, but do you wish you could? | 0:05:19 | 0:05:21 | |
-Have you seen me lately? -You're looking trim, but you can't. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:25 | |
His search for the better life has taken him | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
from the pitch into the dugout. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:32 | |
Is coaching and managing the nearest thing to playing? | 0:05:34 | 0:05:39 | |
Just because you did it don't mean you can pass it on. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:41 | |
I spoke to Mourinho about this and he said, | 0:05:41 | 0:05:43 | |
"You've got to forget what you've been doing for the past 20 years, playing, | 0:05:43 | 0:05:48 | |
"cos that's completely different. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
"Your reactions as a player is probably not needed now. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:52 | |
"It's new things you're going to have to learn." | 0:05:52 | 0:05:56 | |
In 2010, he accepted an invitation to build a new club - FC Gabala, | 0:05:57 | 0:06:03 | |
2,500 miles away in Azerbaijan. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
Tony Adams! | 0:06:06 | 0:06:08 | |
I went, "This seems different, something new. I might fancy this." | 0:06:08 | 0:06:12 | |
And another big reason was the anonymity. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:17 | |
I could just be free to go and make mistakes, learn my trade | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
and build a football club. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:21 | |
Tony has moved out of the dugout now, | 0:06:21 | 0:06:23 | |
but he's still an adviser at Gabala. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
I can't help feeling he'll be involved with the game | 0:06:26 | 0:06:28 | |
for the rest of his life. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
-You've described football as a drug. -Absolutely. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:33 | |
-Could you live without it? -No. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:35 | |
It's what I do, it's what I've done since the age of six, | 0:06:39 | 0:06:41 | |
in one capacity or another. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:43 | |
I think about it stupidly, obsessively. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:49 | |
Tony's addictive personality is something the experts | 0:06:49 | 0:06:54 | |
recognise all too often. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:56 | |
Kitrina Douglas was a top golfer. | 0:06:56 | 0:06:58 | |
She now studies retirement issues. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
It seems that how we play dictates how we cope. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
When we analyse the types of life stories that athletes tell, | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
and this is across sports, there are three different types of story. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
There's the performance narrative, | 0:07:12 | 0:07:14 | |
and that's the Bill Shankly type of quote, where sport isn't | 0:07:14 | 0:07:18 | |
a matter of life and death, it's much more important than that. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
The discovery narrative is, winning is important | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
but it's not the only thing. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:25 | |
I want to do lots of other things with my life, have a family, | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
play the guitar. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:29 | |
Then there's the relational narrative, where it's not so much | 0:07:29 | 0:07:32 | |
about winning, but it's about who I'm playing with, the camaraderie, | 0:07:32 | 0:07:36 | |
the relationships you make while you're doing sport. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:40 | |
And that type of journey and all those types of story, | 0:07:40 | 0:07:44 | |
make a difference when it comes to retirement | 0:07:44 | 0:07:47 | |
to the type of stories that you tell about your retirement. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
I know it can be tricky to forge a new career. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
As well as developing business and charity interests, | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
I've been commentating on cricket for a couple of years. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:58 | |
He should have defended that and now he's gone and gifted a wicket. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:00 | |
The perfect start for Sri Lanka. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:02 | |
'I ventured into other sports as well. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:06 | |
'But when I worked on live TV at this year's Masters in Augusta, | 0:08:08 | 0:08:10 | |
'I found out how hard it can be.' | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
You've won this tournament three times. Who do you fancy now? | 0:08:13 | 0:08:17 | |
Erm, four times, actually! But... | 0:08:17 | 0:08:20 | |
'But when it comes to commentators, | 0:08:20 | 0:08:22 | |
'I reckon one former sportsman | 0:08:22 | 0:08:23 | |
'is head and shoulders above all the rest. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:25 | |
'I went to the Albert Hall to meet the legendary John McEnroe.' | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
And that's it. McEnroe wins. Three sets to love. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
You can't be serious. You cannot be serious! That ball was on the line. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:54 | |
Chalk flew up. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:56 | |
Can I take you back 20 years to when you made that decision? When was that moment? | 0:08:56 | 0:09:00 | |
I didn't actually make the decision to retire, | 0:09:00 | 0:09:02 | |
so in a way, I never actually formally retired. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:06 | |
I didn't want to cry in front of the cameras the way you did. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
In 1992, his marriage to Tatum O'Neal came to an end. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:14 | |
We separated and subsequently divorced, | 0:09:14 | 0:09:16 | |
so there really was no sort of decision to be made. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
It was sort of... | 0:09:19 | 0:09:20 | |
I was a bit overwhelmed by this personal issue | 0:09:20 | 0:09:24 | |
and trying to take care of myself and my kids. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
I have three kids with Tatum. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:29 | |
And so, I just sort of stepped aside and took a step back | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
and just never went back on the tour. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
In the '90s, you went into music. How was that? | 0:09:39 | 0:09:43 | |
The greatest perk that I ever got as a tennis player was the fact | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
that I got to have people like Carlos Santana trying to teach me | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
how to play guitar, or Eddie Van Halen. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:51 | |
These incredible guitar players. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:53 | |
Ironically, when John remarried, it was to a musician. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
Patti Smith soon put an end to his musical ambitions. | 0:09:56 | 0:10:00 | |
There was a time when our baby was about to be born | 0:10:01 | 0:10:03 | |
and basically it was like, | 0:10:03 | 0:10:05 | |
"If any of us is going to play music, it's me, not you. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
"Let's be clear about that." | 0:10:08 | 0:10:10 | |
So that sort of ended that. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:11 | |
But what it has done, funnily enough, | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
it's actually made me appreciate my tennis more. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
Because the more I play guitar, I go, "Thank God I can play tennis"! | 0:10:17 | 0:10:22 | |
You've said, "I'll never be a commentator, never play again." | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
But never say never. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:28 | |
I've done pretty much everything I said I absolutely wouldn't do. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
-HE LAUGHS -Why? | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
Hopefully it's not just because it's the easiest thing. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
Left-handers are normally taught to throw the toss to their left. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:41 | |
Too close to the net. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
Then, when I got into doing some commentary work, for example, | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
I think people were a bit taken aback, but hopefully | 0:10:47 | 0:10:50 | |
pleasantly surprised that this guy knew what he was talking about | 0:10:50 | 0:10:53 | |
and perhaps had a sense of humour. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:55 | |
A lot of sports, | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
they don't have a seniors' or champions' tour to go back to. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:02 | |
The funny part is that I actually get rewarded for the behaviour | 0:11:02 | 0:11:08 | |
that I was fined for. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:09 | |
'Now they want to see that.' | 0:11:09 | 0:11:11 | |
Call the score, right? See if you can get that right. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
You start with that, right? The rest of it, stay out of! | 0:11:14 | 0:11:16 | |
'Maybe it's pathetic in a way, or sad, but it's also' | 0:11:16 | 0:11:20 | |
sort of funny, ironic, that the very things that they were lambasting | 0:11:20 | 0:11:25 | |
me for, going after me, are now the things that they want to see. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:29 | |
It seemed more appealing to get back out there and see some friends, | 0:11:29 | 0:11:33 | |
even some rivals, but in a different way. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
Is that what you love, the competitive edge now? | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
-Or is it meeting friends and meeting...? -It's a combination. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:44 | |
I've said this 100 times, | 0:11:44 | 0:11:45 | |
but it beats the hell out of working for a living. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
-What about your art? -Art is a more, I'd say, serious thing. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
I'm sort of in between a collector and a dealer. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:56 | |
I'll buy and sell a few things, | 0:11:56 | 0:11:58 | |
maybe hopefully show that I know what I'm talking about. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:02 | |
And do you? | 0:12:02 | 0:12:03 | |
I'd like to think so, but it's very subjective obviously, | 0:12:03 | 0:12:07 | |
it's not like sports where you go out and there's a winner and a loser. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:11 | |
This is... You can win and seemingly lose at the same time. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:15 | |
Welcoming back to Centre Court, John McEnroe. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
APPLAUSE AND CHEERING | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
I have a tennis academy, I spend a lot of time there. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:30 | |
I want to get kids excited about the sport, | 0:12:30 | 0:12:32 | |
get better athletes into the sport. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:34 | |
That's my immediate goal. I'm also open to suggestion. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:38 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:12:38 | 0:12:40 | |
The majority of batting is all in here. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
Batting is an attitude, | 0:12:48 | 0:12:49 | |
and that's what we must take to the crease every time we go out there. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
'In cricket, we now help teenagers to prepare for retirement. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
'Even employing psychologists to help them | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
'cope with the tough issues they will face when they stop playing.' | 0:12:59 | 0:13:02 | |
Nice. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:04 | |
We're working with under-17s here, | 0:13:04 | 0:13:05 | |
and a key part of this programme is improving their self-awareness. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
So, even at this age, it seems a long way off, | 0:13:08 | 0:13:10 | |
but it's keeping them grounded and they understand they have an identity | 0:13:10 | 0:13:14 | |
outside their sport, so when it does arrive it's a process of transition | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
rather than a one-off event, when you get this grieving process. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:21 | |
Remember, batting is in the brain, not in the body. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
It's all about what you think. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:26 | |
History is littered with plenty of examples of sportsmen who get stuck | 0:13:26 | 0:13:30 | |
in that process and try and replace the buzz by either turning to alcohol | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
or drugs, we've even seen extreme cases where people turn to suicide. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:38 | |
It's largely because they don't understand that it is a stage | 0:13:38 | 0:13:42 | |
and there's light at the end of the tunnel, and there's no-one there to counsel them through it. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:46 | |
When I was a lad growing up in Sheffield, | 0:13:53 | 0:13:55 | |
Herol 'Bomber' Graham was the one boxer we all wanted to see. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
He was probably the best British boxer never to win a world title. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:04 | |
And he's hurt and is down for the first time. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
But retirement wasn't kind to Bomber. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
Herol Graham has turned on the most astonishing display | 0:14:09 | 0:14:14 | |
of boxing tricks that you will ever see. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:16 | |
When you were boxing, did you ever think what you would do | 0:14:21 | 0:14:25 | |
when you retired? | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
No. Boxers don't think that way, I don't think. You're in a bubble. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:31 | |
You're just enclosed in this little bubble, and trapped in the bubble, | 0:14:31 | 0:14:34 | |
and you didn't know what was going off outside. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
I thought boxing was my life. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:39 | |
I thought I was going to die in boxing, literally. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
So when you finished, you had no plans, no goals, | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
nothing to go in to? | 0:14:45 | 0:14:47 | |
-No, nothing. -And what about financially? | 0:14:47 | 0:14:49 | |
I had plenty of money. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:51 | |
But it's like saying, I had plenty of friends to go with the money. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
So it's a case of lending money. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
-And that money never came back? -No, no, no. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
Did retirement scare you? | 0:15:00 | 0:15:02 | |
I was terrified. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:03 | |
There's a numbness, in the sense that, "What do I do, who am I?" | 0:15:03 | 0:15:08 | |
It's like trying to find out who am I now, now I've finished boxing, | 0:15:08 | 0:15:11 | |
what can this person do for himself? | 0:15:11 | 0:15:14 | |
It's as if I couldn't do anything. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:16 | |
And I just felt isolated in the home. You know, have a little tears. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:22 | |
"What am I going to do now? I don't know what to do." | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
And I didn't know what to do, at all. Really. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
I read in your book that you sat in your house, cried, | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
turned to drink, brandy, and then you got a knife out. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:36 | |
I just wanted to give in. I'd come to the finale. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:40 | |
That's it, finished. I didn't want to go anywhere, then I cut my wrists. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:44 | |
I thought it was deep, I just went right down into my wrist, | 0:15:44 | 0:15:48 | |
my veins. I saw the blood spurt out | 0:15:48 | 0:15:49 | |
and said, "Ah, I've done it, I've done it. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:51 | |
"I can die, I can die." I was just crying and saying, | 0:15:51 | 0:15:55 | |
"I'm sorry" to everybody. I was saying sorry to everybody. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
-Were you relieved at that moment that you did it? -Yes. Really. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:02 | |
People say you're mad, but I was relieved in the sense that the pressure... | 0:16:02 | 0:16:07 | |
It's as if I'd relieved a kettle, a pressure cooker, | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
and all the steam was flowing out. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
And that's the way I felt, just relieved. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
Luckily for Bomber, his long-time girlfriend Karen | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
called the police, effectively saving his life. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:23 | |
If it wasn't for her, I think I would have killed myself a long time ago. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:29 | |
She's taken me through this, hand-in-hand sort of thing. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
I mean, I've had to put something in, but it was mainly her. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:36 | |
She backs off a bit now and says, | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
"Come on, you are strong enough to do some of it on your own now. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:42 | |
"You do some of the e-mails." | 0:16:42 | 0:16:43 | |
"I can't do it, I can't do it!" "Do them." | 0:16:43 | 0:16:45 | |
I want to do something for the future, | 0:16:45 | 0:16:47 | |
for myself, for my children and for my fiancee, | 0:16:47 | 0:16:52 | |
I've got to do something for them and make it good as well. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
Bomber has been to the bottom, | 0:16:55 | 0:16:57 | |
but he's on his way back and he's learnt a lot about his sport. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:00 | |
It's a lonely place. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
You go out on your own in the morning, early morning running, | 0:17:03 | 0:17:07 | |
you're out on your own. You go to your fight, | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
loads of people there applauding you, chanting, | 0:17:10 | 0:17:12 | |
"Bomber! Bomber!" | 0:17:12 | 0:17:14 | |
And once it's gone, you're on your own again. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:18 | |
I felt horrible, shocking, to be on my own and I still do sometimes | 0:17:18 | 0:17:22 | |
Bomber, Bomber, Bomber...! | 0:17:22 | 0:17:25 | |
A lot of sports people have what we call an athletic identity. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:32 | |
Their whole sense of self has been developed over | 0:17:32 | 0:17:34 | |
a number of years of being a particular sportsperson, | 0:17:34 | 0:17:37 | |
and being a winner, not just any sportsperson. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
It's a struggle, especially as an athlete. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:42 | |
You've been accustomed to being on top, earning all the money you can, | 0:17:42 | 0:17:46 | |
and all of a sudden, | 0:17:46 | 0:17:47 | |
those opportunities and sports get away from you. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
It's a struggle to find out, what am I going to do with my life? | 0:17:50 | 0:17:54 | |
You find it quite hard to put your hand up and go, "Do you know what? | 0:17:54 | 0:17:58 | |
"In my life, I don't feel as though I'm winning any more. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
"I feel I'm drifting sideways, I feel a bit lost." | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
And, you know, I think everyone goes through that. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
You can still have those feelings about, "What if I'd have done this, | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
"what if I'd done that? Maybe I could have done a bit more." | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
They're the worst feelings to have as a retired sportsperson. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
Matthew Hoggard is one guy I know | 0:18:18 | 0:18:20 | |
who could benefit from a bit of friendly retirement advice. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:23 | |
My old Ashes team-mate is nearing the end of a successful career, | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
but he's notorious for living in the moment. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
I'm going to get you! | 0:18:33 | 0:18:35 | |
Hoggy dotes on his little lad, Ernie, and wife Sarah. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:40 | |
I don't think at the moment he can see beyond playing, | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
because that's all he's ever known. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
And I don't think he likes to think of it coming to an end | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
and I don't think he particularly wants it | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
to come to an end in the near future. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
So I think he is hiding away from it a little bit. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:58 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:18:58 | 0:19:00 | |
Do you feel it's down to you to keep pushing him | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
to make a decision, to plan for the future, to go on a course? | 0:19:03 | 0:19:07 | |
Yes, and I have done for the last... goodness knows how many years. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
I think about that, he doesn't. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:13 | |
At the end of the day, he's qualified to do nothing. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:17 | |
I mean, none of you guys are really. I wish he'd have been a vet. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
That's what he wanted to do! | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
When we were fighting for the Ashes back in 2005, | 0:19:23 | 0:19:25 | |
I was so glad he chose cricket. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:27 | |
And that's it. Those are the winning runs for England. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
Hoggard and Giles, | 0:19:40 | 0:19:42 | |
the last of the heroes for England in one of the more tense situations. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:47 | |
You do understand that it will come to an end eventually? | 0:19:58 | 0:20:00 | |
Eventually, yeah. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:02 | |
And it's about time I started planning. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
Because I haven't done much so far. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:08 | |
You say you haven't done much. Have you done anything? | 0:20:08 | 0:20:13 | |
I've done a course. I've got a coach's certificate, Level II. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:17 | |
Obviously there's another two levels of coaching to do | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
to put that string in my bow. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
-But that's about it. It's getting closer to D-Day. -Does it worry you? | 0:20:23 | 0:20:28 | |
Yeah. Course it does. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
To what extent? What is the worry about your next life? | 0:20:31 | 0:20:37 | |
I stop working. Everybody needs to work, Michael. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:41 | |
Money makes the world go round. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:43 | |
You got to put food on the table, you've got to earn a crust. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:48 | |
I'm just hoping somebody's going to wave a magic wand | 0:20:48 | 0:20:52 | |
-and it's going to get sorted. -But it's not. -You're right. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
Maybe this chat here, Mike, maybe you coming down and talking to me | 0:20:55 | 0:21:00 | |
is going to actually put the fear of God up me | 0:21:00 | 0:21:03 | |
and get me to pull my finger out and do something. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:06 | |
See, that is the word that I hear a lot, the fear. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:10 | |
It's a fear of the unknown. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:12 | |
I mean, you fall on your feet after cricket. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:16 | |
You've gone into radio, you've got fingers in lots of pies | 0:21:16 | 0:21:21 | |
and know exactly what you're doing and you're excited about doing it. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
For me, there's a big, blank space, there's a void, | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
and I ain't got a clue what I'm going to be doing. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
I could be stacking shelves at Morrison's if I don't | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
pull my finger out and get some plans and some foundations laid down. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:38 | |
When you have a spare moment, you don't think, "What am I going to be doing in 10 years?" | 0:21:38 | 0:21:42 | |
I'm more likely to be thinking, "What would I do if I won the lottery?" | 0:21:42 | 0:21:46 | |
-But you're not going to do that. -Or what I'm going to have for tea. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
-You're pretty simple, aren't you? -Yes. I'm very simple. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:53 | |
Monkey see, monkey do, Michael. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:54 | |
It's, erm... Needs must and sometime I'm going to have to grow up. | 0:21:54 | 0:22:00 | |
'Knowing Matthew, he will turn it around | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
'and he's a lot smarter than he gives himself credit for. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:12 | |
'He'll do something.' | 0:22:12 | 0:22:13 | |
Test cricketers can be away from home for months on end, | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
so retirement at least enables you to spend more time with the family. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
Got any tricks? | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
For women, the situation's a bit more complicated. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:25 | |
Some do combine children and sport successfully, | 0:22:25 | 0:22:28 | |
but for many, it becomes a choice between the two. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:32 | |
Gail Emms helped put badminton on the sporting map in this country, | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
but she won't be competing at London 2012. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:47 | |
With partner Nathan Robertson, she won silver at the Olympics in 2004. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:51 | |
COMMENTATOR: Incredible shot from Gail Emms. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:57 | |
She's got different priorities now, two-year-old Harry and partner Ed. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:01 | |
Training for the Olympics is easier than being a mum. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
It's very, very hard, but it is absolutely brilliant. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
It's so cool, you know? | 0:23:09 | 0:23:10 | |
It's hard in a different way. I can't control... | 0:23:10 | 0:23:14 | |
I used to control everything with training and whatever I did, | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
and now I've got this little person to look after. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:20 | |
Sorry, have I got to go back to you? Is the attention on you, now? | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
Don't know where he gets that from! | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
It's all about him. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
-Oh, that's amazing. -What about you? | 0:23:28 | 0:23:30 | |
What change have you noticed in Gail | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
since she's stopped playing badminton? | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
The first year was something of a nightmare. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:40 | |
I noticed a change where she was just really worried about | 0:23:40 | 0:23:44 | |
what she was going to do next, but I think as soon as Harry came along, | 0:23:44 | 0:23:48 | |
and he's taken up both of our time, that's gone away completely. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:52 | |
One of us will be at home with Harry while the other one's at work | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
and then we do swap over. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:57 | |
It's a safety bubble, sport. You know it's not real, | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
and you know you should go and do other things that normal people do... | 0:24:00 | 0:24:04 | |
-I'm so sorry! There we go. What's that? -Ba-na! -Banana, that's it. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:10 | |
You know it's a normal life and you've got to get out there. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:15 | |
And then you've gone from being the best to nothing. You're not anyone. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:20 | |
You were a name in a sport, you were someone, | 0:24:20 | 0:24:24 | |
and now you're not, and you've got to start again, | 0:24:24 | 0:24:27 | |
and I think that was just really scary. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
-Two butterflies. One... -Two. -And one gorilla. There it is. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:35 | |
Gail's last competitive match was at the Beijing Olympics | 0:24:35 | 0:24:39 | |
when she and Nathan narrowly missed out on a medal. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:43 | |
COMMENTATOR: It's wide. The dream of Olympic gold is over. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:47 | |
Gail, you said before this was going to be your last Games, | 0:24:47 | 0:24:51 | |
your last international. Doesn't change your decision? | 0:24:51 | 0:24:53 | |
Sorry! | 0:24:56 | 0:24:57 | |
There were tears in Beijing when you finally said, "That's it." | 0:24:57 | 0:25:01 | |
As soon as you come off court and you've just lost, | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
and you realise it was the last time you were going to compete | 0:25:04 | 0:25:06 | |
for Great Britain, they stick a camera in your face and a microphone. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:10 | |
It was Matt Pinsent and he just went, "How are you feeling right now, | 0:25:10 | 0:25:13 | |
"cos that's it, it's all over." You just get asked that. We just lost. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:17 | |
NATHAN ROBERTSON: She is amazing. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:19 | |
You see on court, how aggressive, feisty, attacking she is, | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
and it's been an amazing partnership. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
He's got his new partner Jenny with him. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
Younger model, I know. It's really hard. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:33 | |
Nathan and I spent so many years together and everything. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:37 | |
It was really strange the first time I watched them play together. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
It was like watching an ex-boyfriend with his new girlfriend. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:44 | |
Is there any bitterness or any anger | 0:25:44 | 0:25:46 | |
that you are watching your ex-partner in action? | 0:25:46 | 0:25:48 | |
I just felt really emotional about it. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:50 | |
I welled up a little bit cos I was like, | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
"He doesn't need me any more. He's got someone else. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:55 | |
"He's moved on." | 0:25:55 | 0:25:56 | |
Do you ever get that feeling that you actually don't want them | 0:25:56 | 0:26:01 | |
to be as good as you two were? | 0:26:01 | 0:26:02 | |
Yes! Yeah, I'm totally open with it. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:06 | |
I said to Nathan, if he goes to Olympics he's allowed to get silver | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
but he's not allowed to get gold. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:10 | |
-A woman has a decision to make that you have to stop to have kids. -Yeah. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:16 | |
It's impossible to do both. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:17 | |
I was trying to think of a woman badminton player | 0:26:17 | 0:26:21 | |
around when I was playing who'd had children | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
and still being able to compete... None. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:25 | |
I've always wanted children, but when do you have it? | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
Cos you really want to focus on your sporting career, | 0:26:31 | 0:26:33 | |
cos you've only got a short shelf life really, so for me, | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
I'm thinking, I'll be 31 after Beijing, | 0:26:36 | 0:26:40 | |
if I carry on for London I'll be 35, | 0:26:40 | 0:26:43 | |
and that's assuming you can get pregnant straight away. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:46 | |
You just don't know. So you're gambling with life. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:49 | |
-Did you make the right decision? -Yes, I did. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:56 | |
I thought Brett Lee was fast! | 0:26:58 | 0:27:00 | |
You can tell you've still got the competitive edge. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:04 | |
You're trying to hit me. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:07 | |
Yes, I got one back. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:09 | |
Damn it! | 0:27:10 | 0:27:11 | |
There you go. Didn't get that one. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:14 | |
Still got it. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:17 | |
Olympic medals don't pay the bills. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
Gail now juggles motherhood with a blossoming media career, | 0:27:21 | 0:27:24 | |
but there was a time when even our top footballers had to find | 0:27:24 | 0:27:27 | |
a job once they hung up their boots. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
Southampton striker Mick Channon changed sports | 0:27:30 | 0:27:33 | |
and started training race horses, with great success. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
England World Cup winner Ray Wilson became an undertaker. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:40 | |
Coventry's Micky Ginn got a job as a postman. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:43 | |
Ian Callaghan played more games for Liverpool than anyone, | 0:27:43 | 0:27:46 | |
ended up running a pub. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:48 | |
And I used to drink in a local run by Billy Whitehurst, | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
the ex-Hull City and Sheffield United striker. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
But we now live in an era | 0:27:54 | 0:27:56 | |
where many sports people are well looked after financially | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
and don't have to look for other alternatives. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
Despite this, | 0:28:02 | 0:28:03 | |
I found somebody who wanted to do something different | 0:28:03 | 0:28:05 | |
and get away from the sport he loved playing. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:08 | |
Every morning at 6am, an England World Cup winner heads to work | 0:28:11 | 0:28:15 | |
in London's new financial quarter. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:17 | |
COMMENTATOR: England have an overlap and they must score! | 0:28:23 | 0:28:26 | |
Josh Lewsey with a try. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:29 | |
The trading floor is the closest thing to professional sport | 0:28:33 | 0:28:37 | |
in the business world. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:39 | |
Are you just tapping out at 20% volume? | 0:28:40 | 0:28:42 | |
As a sportsman, you get most satisfaction | 0:28:42 | 0:28:45 | |
when you've had a good game and that's probably the same here. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:49 | |
I just couldn't get my head round it. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:53 | |
Josh Lewsey, equity sales trader. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:56 | |
Have you always been into this kind of stuff when you were playing? | 0:28:56 | 0:29:00 | |
I traded for five, six years while I was playing. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:02 | |
Right before a game you don't want to be on your feet so what do you do? | 0:29:02 | 0:29:05 | |
You can twiddle around your thumbs and bits and pieces | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
and some of the lads played PlayStation. I couldn't stand that. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
We've backed a better year for equities next year | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
and as our stocks target... | 0:29:15 | 0:29:18 | |
If these guys aren't doing their job, it makes an idiot of you | 0:29:18 | 0:29:21 | |
and vice versa, so there's that natural competition, dynamism, | 0:29:21 | 0:29:24 | |
but actually, we are all part of the same team. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:26 | |
I always knew rugby was going to come to an end. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:31 | |
Sport is the best job in the world when things are going well, | 0:29:31 | 0:29:34 | |
but it's a pretty self-indulgent world, | 0:29:34 | 0:29:36 | |
and I think it's really healthy, as much as anything else, | 0:29:36 | 0:29:39 | |
to have some interests outside what you do. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:43 | |
For me, I didn't want to be, in 20 years' time, | 0:29:43 | 0:29:45 | |
still talking about what I'd done as a player. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:49 | |
Life moves on and rightly so. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:51 | |
As a sportsman, if you've done something good, | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
you get huge praise for that. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:57 | |
Everyone knows about it. It's in the papers. Your family knows about it. | 0:29:57 | 0:30:01 | |
Tens of thousands of people watch you do it. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:03 | |
You do something good here, nobody cares. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:07 | |
The guys who deal with you on a day-to-day basis | 0:30:07 | 0:30:09 | |
just judge you as just "Josh", | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
not Josh Lewsey, the ex-England rugby player, | 0:30:12 | 0:30:13 | |
ex-minor sports celebrity, as some might like to call it! | 0:30:13 | 0:30:16 | |
CHEERING | 0:30:16 | 0:30:18 | |
When you've been quite spoiled by that adulation, | 0:30:21 | 0:30:24 | |
and that fame, that sort of attention, | 0:30:24 | 0:30:27 | |
to then step away entirely is quite alien, | 0:30:27 | 0:30:31 | |
quite difficult. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:33 | |
Do you ever get the buzz of what you had as a player, | 0:30:33 | 0:30:36 | |
that feeling of winning a match? | 0:30:36 | 0:30:38 | |
You can earn all the money in the world, | 0:30:38 | 0:30:40 | |
but you can never replicate winning something for your country, | 0:30:40 | 0:30:43 | |
or walking out on the pitch for England. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:45 | |
But then again, it is a bit of a false world. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:48 | |
If you need that drug, where else do you get it? | 0:30:48 | 0:30:51 | |
Do you get it from alcohol, drugs or pulling girls? | 0:30:51 | 0:30:55 | |
That fix - the adrenalin fix, really - | 0:30:55 | 0:30:57 | |
how do you get that elsewhere? | 0:30:57 | 0:31:00 | |
I think that's why that transition period is very, very hard. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:04 | |
Keep it at 20% of the volume. Thanks. Bye. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:08 | |
'Not everyone can make a clean break like Josh has done. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:11 | |
'Sport is full of comeback stories. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:14 | |
'This year, we were all amazed | 0:31:14 | 0:31:16 | |
'when Paul Scholes returned to Manchester United, | 0:31:16 | 0:31:18 | |
'just months after retiring. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:21 | |
'But there's one revival story that tops the lot. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:25 | |
'I flew to Houston, Texas, to meet the king of the comeback. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:31 | |
'George Foreman has always been someone that's intrigued me. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:43 | |
'He won his title back 20 years after he first lost it. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:47 | |
'At the age of 19, he was an Olympic gold medallist. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:53 | |
'He went on to become the heavyweight champion of the world. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:57 | |
'He then lost to Muhammad Ali in the Rumble in the Jungle. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:04 | |
'He only lost one more fight, to Jimmy Young, | 0:32:04 | 0:32:07 | |
'but something happened in that dressing room | 0:32:07 | 0:32:10 | |
'that caused him to retire.' | 0:32:10 | 0:32:12 | |
-How you doing? -You all right? -I'm going to live the good life now? | 0:32:12 | 0:32:16 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:32:16 | 0:32:18 | |
-You've lived it already, haven't you? -Trying to. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
-Have a seat. -OK. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:23 | |
What happened that night you lost to Jimmy Young, in the dressing room? | 0:32:23 | 0:32:26 | |
You say that God arrived? | 0:32:26 | 0:32:28 | |
I had a lot of hate in my heart. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
I was going to be the number one contender again, | 0:32:31 | 0:32:33 | |
and get my title back. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:35 | |
That was my whole focus. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:37 | |
Then when I lost to Jimmy Young, | 0:32:37 | 0:32:39 | |
to meet up with religion like that, it just blew me away. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:42 | |
I didn't know what to think. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:44 | |
I had to go on the street corners and preach, | 0:32:44 | 0:32:47 | |
and I'd cut all my hair off. My beloved moustache was gone. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:50 | |
And I'd gained all this weight. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:52 | |
People would actually pass me down the street, | 0:32:52 | 0:32:54 | |
they'd hear me preaching, wouldn't stop. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:56 | |
I stopped and said, "You know what? I'm George Foreman. | 0:32:56 | 0:32:59 | |
"Yes, I fought Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:02 | |
"But I'm here preaching for Jesus Christ". And they'd stop. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:07 | |
So you went away from boxing for ten years, and then you came back? | 0:33:07 | 0:33:11 | |
I'd put all of my effort into the George Foreman Youth Centre. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:13 | |
I'd started helping kids go to college. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:16 | |
I'd run out of money. I just couldn't let this place close. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:18 | |
I had to find a way to keep the George Foreman Centre going, | 0:33:18 | 0:33:23 | |
and I had to go to work. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:24 | |
And I had one profession. It was boxing. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
How much harder was it second time around? | 0:33:27 | 0:33:30 | |
The second time around, in boxing, is rougher, | 0:33:30 | 0:33:32 | |
because you have to work harder. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:34 | |
I was 315 lbs, so not only did I have to work out | 0:33:34 | 0:33:38 | |
to get in shape, | 0:33:38 | 0:33:39 | |
I had to lose all of this weight. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:42 | |
No-one took me serious. Everyone said, "He's out for the big bucks." | 0:33:42 | 0:33:46 | |
These young guys would come out and challenge me. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:49 | |
One knockout after another. It was pretty easy. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:51 | |
Next thing you know, I was back in the contention-ship, | 0:33:55 | 0:33:57 | |
and fighting for the title. | 0:33:57 | 0:33:58 | |
What a shot! Oh, my goodness! | 0:33:58 | 0:34:01 | |
COMMENTATOR: George! | 0:34:04 | 0:34:07 | |
Oh... | 0:34:07 | 0:34:09 | |
my! | 0:34:09 | 0:34:11 | |
Boxing seems to be the one sport where boxers retire | 0:34:13 | 0:34:17 | |
and then come back. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:18 | |
Bruno, Bugner, yourself. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:20 | |
Why is that? Don't you get enough of it when you're in your...? | 0:34:20 | 0:34:23 | |
I think the easiest thing about boxing is getting into the sport. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:29 | |
The hardest part is to walk away, leave it alone. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
We all have to be crazy to box in the first place. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:36 | |
The sad thing about it - that craziness lingers on. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
We don't know when to quit. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:41 | |
You just have to have someone in your life | 0:34:41 | 0:34:43 | |
to tell you enough is enough. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:45 | |
Most boxers can't find that person. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:48 | |
There's always that one purse, and that one punch | 0:34:48 | 0:34:50 | |
you think you can land. Always. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:53 | |
I think I'll be sitting there at 70 years old, | 0:34:53 | 0:34:55 | |
thinking, "I got one more fight!" | 0:34:55 | 0:34:57 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:34:57 | 0:34:59 | |
Who was the one person that said to you, "Come on. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:02 | |
"Step aside now." | 0:35:02 | 0:35:03 | |
My wife told me. I told you, I argued with my wife. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:07 | |
I was going to get one good fight. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:09 | |
I knew I could do it. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:10 | |
I would even pay the number one contender to beat him. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:13 | |
I said, "I can still do it. Don't you believe in me?" | 0:35:13 | 0:35:16 | |
She said, "Isn't that the way you want to leave the sport? | 0:35:16 | 0:35:19 | |
"Believing that you can still do it?" | 0:35:19 | 0:35:21 | |
I said, "Yep." She said, "Leave it." | 0:35:21 | 0:35:23 | |
-And I left it. -What about the George Foreman Grill? | 0:35:23 | 0:35:27 | |
For the first time in my life, I learned to sell. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:30 | |
I heard a lady say once, "If you learn to sell, you'll never starve." | 0:35:30 | 0:35:34 | |
I would sell religion on the street corners. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:37 | |
Finally a friend said to me, | 0:35:37 | 0:35:39 | |
"Why don't you get your own product?" | 0:35:39 | 0:35:40 | |
-Potato wedges? -Uh-huh. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:41 | |
-Steak? -Sure. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:43 | |
-Paninis? -Easy. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:44 | |
I learned then that boxing was not about hit and run, | 0:35:44 | 0:35:48 | |
it was about selling, | 0:35:48 | 0:35:51 | |
so I boxed. Boom! It sure did hurt. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:53 | |
And then I'd get a chance. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:55 | |
"Yes! Try the George Foreman Grill," or whatever. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:58 | |
So I spent the latter part of my boxing career | 0:35:58 | 0:36:01 | |
in the ring, selling things. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:04 | |
Boxing was least of it. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:05 | |
What does retirement mean to George Foreman? | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
There's no such thing as retirement with George Foreman. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:11 | |
I think that's the worst thing that could happen | 0:36:11 | 0:36:14 | |
to any professional man, especially an athlete, | 0:36:14 | 0:36:17 | |
because you retire - the next thing is die. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:20 | |
And I'm afraid of that, so I haven't retired. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:23 | |
I don't even think the word. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:24 | |
'George keeps busy. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:26 | |
'He's got five sons, all called George, | 0:36:26 | 0:36:28 | |
'and one of them's a promising heavyweight. | 0:36:28 | 0:36:30 | |
'And at his own church, just along the road, | 0:36:30 | 0:36:34 | |
'he continues to preach, three times a week.' | 0:36:34 | 0:36:36 | |
ALL: One, two, three, squeeze. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
One, two, three, squeeze. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:43 | |
One, two, three, squeeze. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:45 | |
'Matt Hampson didn't choose retirement, it chose him.' | 0:36:45 | 0:36:49 | |
One, two, three, squeeze. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:51 | |
'While training for England's Under-21 rugby team, | 0:36:51 | 0:36:54 | |
'he suffered a horrific accident. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:57 | |
'A collapsed scrum left him paralysed from the neck down.' | 0:36:57 | 0:37:01 | |
My darkest times was probably in hospital. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:14 | |
There was a lot of emotion going through my mind. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:18 | |
A lot of things... | 0:37:18 | 0:37:20 | |
"What do I do with my life now? | 0:37:20 | 0:37:22 | |
"What can I do?" | 0:37:22 | 0:37:26 | |
From one minute being a professional sportsman, | 0:37:26 | 0:37:29 | |
and being fit and healthy, | 0:37:29 | 0:37:32 | |
and being able to do what I want to do, | 0:37:32 | 0:37:37 | |
to lying in intensive care, | 0:37:37 | 0:37:39 | |
not being able to even speak, | 0:37:39 | 0:37:42 | |
is a pretty tough pill to swallow, really. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
You know, "Why me?" | 0:37:45 | 0:37:48 | |
The scenario of, "Why me? Why me?" | 0:37:48 | 0:37:50 | |
And coming out of that, and seeing other people in the same situation, | 0:37:50 | 0:37:53 | |
and, actually, "Why not me?" | 0:37:53 | 0:37:56 | |
-This is my bedroom. -I see you've cleaned it up for us. | 0:37:56 | 0:38:01 | |
That's it, yeah. I had a bit of a tidy-up. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:04 | |
How long does it take you to get up and running in the morning? | 0:38:04 | 0:38:07 | |
It's approximately four hours. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:09 | |
If you notice the rail through there, | 0:38:09 | 0:38:11 | |
that's my bed hoist. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:14 | |
I like to have a shower every morning. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:17 | |
I just think it makes you feel human, you know. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:20 | |
-Is that a telly? -Yeah. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:22 | |
A TV in every room. That's it. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:26 | |
-It's like Cribbs, isn't it? -That's it. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:30 | |
Let's talk about your book. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:34 | |
The front cover's there on the wall. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:36 | |
How hard was it to do that book? | 0:38:36 | 0:38:39 | |
It was really tough. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:42 | |
It was a real emotional drain on me. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:44 | |
But I actually think it was a real cathartic process | 0:38:44 | 0:38:49 | |
that I went through whilst doing it. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:52 | |
It was actually really good for me. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:54 | |
-It was almost like a form of counselling. -Really? -Yes. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:59 | |
CHEERING | 0:38:59 | 0:39:01 | |
'After his injury, a charitable foundation was set up to help him. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:09 | |
'Now Matt's using it to help others.' | 0:39:09 | 0:39:12 | |
It's kind of taken the emphasis off myself, | 0:39:12 | 0:39:15 | |
and moved on to other people. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:18 | |
I get an immense sense | 0:39:18 | 0:39:21 | |
of wellbeing | 0:39:21 | 0:39:24 | |
by helping other people in the same situation. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:27 | |
ALL: Set! MATT: Touch. Pause. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
Engage! | 0:39:32 | 0:39:33 | |
ALL: One, two, three, squeeze! | 0:39:33 | 0:39:35 | |
One, two, three, squeeze! | 0:39:35 | 0:39:37 | |
MATT: Whoa! | 0:39:37 | 0:39:39 | |
It fascinates me that you coach the scrum. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:42 | |
How do you do that? | 0:39:42 | 0:39:44 | |
It's strange, but it's still my favourite part of the game. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:48 | |
It is a strange old thing, | 0:39:48 | 0:39:50 | |
that confrontation that I love about the scrum, | 0:39:50 | 0:39:53 | |
and, for me, it's the most important part of the game, | 0:39:53 | 0:39:59 | |
still now. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:00 | |
What I wanted you to do there on the front row | 0:40:00 | 0:40:03 | |
is to get on your toes, and fire in snappy, straightaway, | 0:40:03 | 0:40:07 | |
rather than rock back, and then going in. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:09 | |
'I love doing it, | 0:40:09 | 0:40:11 | |
'and I think it's the next-best thing to playing the sport.' | 0:40:11 | 0:40:15 | |
You guys are talented lads, | 0:40:15 | 0:40:16 | |
and I hope it goes well the rest of the season. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
I was very proud of Matt before. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:24 | |
Obviously, a father would be. His son playing for England. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
But I'm more proud of him now. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:28 | |
He's so inspirational. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:30 | |
He never moans about anything. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:32 | |
He's never down. His spirits are always high. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:35 | |
An inspirational character for other people. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:38 | |
So, hopefully, they'll surprise a few people. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:42 | |
-When is it - on Saturday? -Yeah, Saturday. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:46 | |
How, over the years, have you found this incredibly positive mentality? | 0:40:46 | 0:40:51 | |
How have you been able to do that? | 0:40:51 | 0:40:53 | |
You come to realise that there's a lot more to life | 0:40:53 | 0:40:58 | |
than just being a professional sportsman, | 0:40:58 | 0:41:00 | |
or a rugby player. | 0:41:00 | 0:41:02 | |
I'm in a wheelchair, | 0:41:02 | 0:41:04 | |
I'm on a ventilator. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:05 | |
I've got a pipe hanging from my neck, | 0:41:05 | 0:41:07 | |
but I'm living a good and very fulfilled life. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:10 | |
There is a life after a catastrophic injury, | 0:41:10 | 0:41:14 | |
like mine. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:16 | |
'Sometimes, it's sport itself which gives you a second chance. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:28 | |
'One moment of brilliance allows you to play on, | 0:41:28 | 0:41:31 | |
'further than you probably thought you could have done. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:34 | |
'Darren Clarke's a man born again. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:36 | |
'Last summer, he won the Open Championship, | 0:41:36 | 0:41:39 | |
'when even he didn't rate his chances.' | 0:41:39 | 0:41:42 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:41:42 | 0:41:44 | |
'At 42, it was his first major. | 0:41:44 | 0:41:48 | |
'He'd been a top golfer, with 22 tournament wins, | 0:41:48 | 0:41:50 | |
'but he'll be the first to admit that, until that amazing week, | 0:41:50 | 0:41:54 | |
'he felt his playing days were coming to an end.' | 0:41:54 | 0:41:57 | |
It was my pinnacle. | 0:41:57 | 0:41:59 | |
It's the biggest, best and oldest tournament in the world. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:01 | |
Fortunate enough to win it, to get my name on the trophy. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:06 | |
What's left for me? I don't know. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:08 | |
'Now, as Open champion, | 0:42:08 | 0:42:10 | |
'he no longer has to qualify for the majors, for years to come. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:14 | |
'Any thoughts of retirement have been shelved.' | 0:42:14 | 0:42:18 | |
There you go. If I don't hit the blue... | 0:42:24 | 0:42:26 | |
Sit. Sit. Sit! | 0:42:26 | 0:42:28 | |
The speed's a bit wrong. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:31 | |
Ever the perfectionist. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:34 | |
The public have this perception of you being a very laid-back, | 0:42:34 | 0:42:36 | |
Guinness-drinking... | 0:42:36 | 0:42:38 | |
-Second part's right! -HE LAUGHS | 0:42:38 | 0:42:40 | |
They do, and I do enjoy it, | 0:42:40 | 0:42:43 | |
when it's my switch-off time. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:46 | |
But I work way, way too hard. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:49 | |
I go down to Portrush, when I'm at home. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:51 | |
I'll spend nine/ten hours down there. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:53 | |
I just can't leave it alone. | 0:42:53 | 0:42:55 | |
It's like a drug to me, and I'm obsessed. | 0:42:55 | 0:42:57 | |
And I can't leave it alone, just yet. | 0:42:57 | 0:42:59 | |
ANNOUNCER: On the tee, from Northern Ireland, Darren Clarke! | 0:42:59 | 0:43:02 | |
APPLAUSE AND CHEERING | 0:43:02 | 0:43:04 | |
If you'd have missed the cut at the Open, what would happen to you? | 0:43:04 | 0:43:06 | |
I'd have been on ESPN. | 0:43:06 | 0:43:08 | |
-Commentating on the Saturday and Sunday? -Yeah. | 0:43:08 | 0:43:11 | |
I kept apologising to them, "Sorry, I've played too well, | 0:43:11 | 0:43:15 | |
"so I won't be able to do the commentary!" | 0:43:15 | 0:43:17 | |
-HE LAUGHS -Is that right? -Yeah. | 0:43:17 | 0:43:18 | |
Darren, over this way. Here we go. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:21 | |
I just think, "You've been a decent player for quite some time. | 0:43:21 | 0:43:26 | |
"This is the tournament that you want more than anything. | 0:43:26 | 0:43:30 | |
"You've been through a bit of thick and thin. You can have this one." | 0:43:30 | 0:43:33 | |
'Darren tragically lost his wife, Heather, to breast cancer in 2006, | 0:43:33 | 0:43:38 | |
'and it had a massive impact on his game.' | 0:43:38 | 0:43:42 | |
In terms of my career, I had five years where I wasn't competitive. | 0:43:42 | 0:43:46 | |
You know, the game has given me five years back again, | 0:43:46 | 0:43:49 | |
by winning the Open. | 0:43:49 | 0:43:51 | |
It would probably be very foolish of me | 0:43:51 | 0:43:53 | |
if I didn't try and make the most of it. | 0:43:53 | 0:43:55 | |
Have you ever got to that stage | 0:43:55 | 0:43:56 | |
where you've been in your hotel room, or at home, | 0:43:56 | 0:43:58 | |
and gone, "Right, that's it"? | 0:43:58 | 0:44:00 | |
-Oh, yeah! -How many times? | 0:44:00 | 0:44:02 | |
Obviously, when Heather, my wife, passed away. | 0:44:02 | 0:44:05 | |
That was one of them, trying to keep everything together. | 0:44:05 | 0:44:09 | |
Just a few other occasions, when the game had just really got to me, | 0:44:09 | 0:44:11 | |
where I'd been trying and trying and trying, | 0:44:11 | 0:44:13 | |
and nothing was happening. | 0:44:13 | 0:44:15 | |
Anything that was, was all going the wrong way. | 0:44:15 | 0:44:17 | |
Would you reckon you could | 0:44:17 | 0:44:21 | |
have just given up golf, and not played? | 0:44:21 | 0:44:23 | |
No, I couldn't. Not yet. | 0:44:23 | 0:44:25 | |
-Is it getting close? -No. | 0:44:25 | 0:44:28 | |
No, no. | 0:44:28 | 0:44:30 | |
Not now! | 0:44:30 | 0:44:32 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:44:32 | 0:44:34 | |
You'll play forever now. Four good days in a sport, and there you are. | 0:44:34 | 0:44:37 | |
-Play forever. -I know. | 0:44:37 | 0:44:39 | |
It's a good game, golf, isn't it? | 0:44:39 | 0:44:41 | |
It is! It is. | 0:44:41 | 0:44:43 | |
It's very easy to forget | 0:44:45 | 0:44:48 | |
how lucky we are to be doing what we do. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:51 | |
That's the whole thing. You get down on yourself, | 0:44:51 | 0:44:53 | |
but travelling round the world, | 0:44:53 | 0:44:56 | |
playing on some of the best golf courses in the world... | 0:44:56 | 0:44:58 | |
Watch this, watch this. | 0:44:58 | 0:45:00 | |
Such a good cueing action. | 0:45:00 | 0:45:03 | |
-Look at that! Do you see that! -Nice shot. | 0:45:03 | 0:45:05 | |
I just didn't get enough top right on it to get onto that. | 0:45:05 | 0:45:08 | |
Unbelievable! | 0:45:08 | 0:45:11 | |
Can you understand sports people who really struggle | 0:45:11 | 0:45:15 | |
-and go through depression or...? -Yeah. Definitely. | 0:45:15 | 0:45:18 | |
Definitely. Without a doubt! | 0:45:18 | 0:45:20 | |
Because that thrill and the high that you get | 0:45:20 | 0:45:23 | |
when you do it | 0:45:23 | 0:45:24 | |
and you do it well, is irreplaceable. I think you miss it. | 0:45:24 | 0:45:29 | |
-Potted a few in. -We have. | 0:45:29 | 0:45:32 | |
'In terms of retirement, I think he's miles off.' | 0:45:32 | 0:45:35 | |
Oh, yes! | 0:45:37 | 0:45:38 | |
'A major win allows a golfer to play for so much longer | 0:45:38 | 0:45:41 | |
'and it opens so many doors, | 0:45:41 | 0:45:43 | |
'new opportunities and some quite large cheques. | 0:45:43 | 0:45:46 | |
'And who'd want to give that up?' | 0:45:46 | 0:45:49 | |
Miss out the green. Thank you, boy! | 0:45:52 | 0:45:53 | |
-Very nicely played. -Always a pleasure. -One thing's for sure. | 0:45:53 | 0:45:56 | |
-Neither of us could play snooker. -Pool. -You stick to golf. | 0:45:56 | 0:46:00 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:46:00 | 0:46:03 | |
Would you say athletes struggle because you can | 0:46:03 | 0:46:06 | |
never really get that kind of emotion again, | 0:46:06 | 0:46:10 | |
away from the sporting days? | 0:46:10 | 0:46:13 | |
It's interesting the language you use to define that. | 0:46:13 | 0:46:17 | |
So if I were sort of analysing our talk, you said, "You can never." | 0:46:17 | 0:46:21 | |
When we talk like that over a number of years, | 0:46:21 | 0:46:25 | |
then we won't. | 0:46:25 | 0:46:27 | |
But if we value other things along that journey | 0:46:27 | 0:46:30 | |
and this is part of it, | 0:46:30 | 0:46:31 | |
then other things have always been there all along. | 0:46:31 | 0:46:34 | |
So, for example, one participant in my research said, | 0:46:34 | 0:46:37 | |
"Yes, I've won lots of tournaments but they don't compare | 0:46:37 | 0:46:39 | |
"to giving birth to my daughter." | 0:46:39 | 0:46:42 | |
A big complicating factor in this is | 0:46:43 | 0:46:46 | |
the man from the outside that's never been involved | 0:46:46 | 0:46:48 | |
in high-level sport and looks at these people and thinks, | 0:46:48 | 0:46:51 | |
"How can I feel sorry for this person who's basically had | 0:46:51 | 0:46:54 | |
"15 years playing sport at the top of what they love doing | 0:46:54 | 0:46:57 | |
"and earning money for doing it?" | 0:46:57 | 0:46:59 | |
But it's like anything else. | 0:46:59 | 0:47:01 | |
You lose something you have that was incredibly important to you, | 0:47:01 | 0:47:04 | |
doesn't make it any less painful. | 0:47:04 | 0:47:05 | |
I've really enjoyed meeting the different sports people | 0:47:07 | 0:47:10 | |
and listening to all their stories. | 0:47:10 | 0:47:12 | |
They've gone through the strains, the stresses, the mourning, | 0:47:12 | 0:47:16 | |
but the majority of them have come through the other side. | 0:47:16 | 0:47:19 | |
Sit back, sit back. | 0:47:19 | 0:47:21 | |
It's helped me appreciate that no two stories are the same. | 0:47:21 | 0:47:24 | |
We all cope differently and I think anyone facing retirement | 0:47:24 | 0:47:28 | |
can relate to what they have to say. | 0:47:28 | 0:47:30 | |
You've got to go through that grieving process, | 0:47:30 | 0:47:32 | |
get it out of your system and then relish the challenge. | 0:47:32 | 0:47:35 | |
It's probably not a bad idea to focus on the family, | 0:47:35 | 0:47:39 | |
but also realise you need to keep busy. | 0:47:39 | 0:47:41 | |
I think the earlier you start investing in your future, | 0:47:41 | 0:47:44 | |
the better. | 0:47:44 | 0:47:45 | |
If you want something you have to get it. | 0:47:45 | 0:47:48 | |
Don't let other people get it for you. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:50 | |
Get to know yourself, what you like doing, what you don't. | 0:47:50 | 0:47:53 | |
One door closes, another one opens. | 0:47:53 | 0:47:56 | |
Don't just let your sport use you, use the sport. | 0:47:56 | 0:48:01 | |
You have a famous name, exploit that name. | 0:48:01 | 0:48:05 | |
Learn to sell, learn to sell | 0:48:05 | 0:48:07 | |
and you'll always have a bright future, but learn to sell. | 0:48:07 | 0:48:10 | |
You've got another, what... | 0:48:10 | 0:48:13 | |
30, 40, even 50 years of your life to live. | 0:48:13 | 0:48:18 | |
Try and find a niche | 0:48:18 | 0:48:20 | |
and try and find something else that you can do away from sport. | 0:48:20 | 0:48:24 | |
As much as retirement is a tough decision, | 0:48:28 | 0:48:30 | |
all sports people have to realise we've been in a fortunate position. | 0:48:30 | 0:48:34 | |
We can't feel sorry for ourselves. | 0:48:34 | 0:48:37 | |
We have to look for a new career. | 0:48:37 | 0:48:39 | |
We have to get excited about doing something new. | 0:48:39 | 0:48:42 | |
Most of us get to make that choice. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:44 | |
People like Matthew Hampson don't. | 0:48:44 | 0:48:46 | |
Retirement chooses them. | 0:48:46 | 0:48:48 | |
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