Sporting Heroes: After the Final Whistle


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And joy for every England player on the field.

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In top-level sport, you live for the big moment.

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Your career is defined as much by the highs...

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Tony Adams, oh, what a finish!

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What a way to clinch the championship.

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..as it is by the lows.

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You cannot be serious.

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That ball was on the line.

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You ride the wave they create

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until suddenly, one day, it's all over.

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And as they say, you're a long time retired.

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When the day came for me to announce my retirement as England

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cricket captain, I was shocked at how emotional I felt.

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I thought I'd prepared myself, I thought I could handle it easily.

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How wrong was I!

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And I know how proud my mum and dad have been.

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'My reaction to this life-changing moment surprised me,

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'and ever since, I've wondered if others had felt the same way.'

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Over the past few months, I've been meeting a few sports stars

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to see how they cope with retirement.

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I've done pretty much everything I've said that I would not do.

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What are they doing now?

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How have they come to terms with their new lives?

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Being in intensive care, not even being able to speak,

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is a pretty tough pill to swallow.

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There's a numbness, in the sense, what do I do, what can I do, who am I?

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I still have moments where I just go, "I have a baby, oh my God,

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"what am I doing?"

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I also talked to others on the verge of retirement

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to see if they realise what's in store.

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I could be stacking shelves in Morrisons if I don't pull my finger out.

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I just can't leave it alone. It's like a drug to me, I'm obsessed.

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That fix, how do you get that elsewhere?

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Do you get it from alcohol, from drugs,

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from pulling girls?

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I haven't retired, I don't even think the word.

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I don't accept anything. Maybe because I don't feel unfulfilled.

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"Thinking too much about what will happen in the future.

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"What will I do after cricket? Do I still want all this?"

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This is what I wrote a year before I resigned the England captaincy.

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I didn't think

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I was that close to retirement. But these things happen so fast.

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Retirement is a tough decision for anyone,

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but whereas most people do it in their 60s,

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in professional sport you do it at half that age.

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I think I've made the transition quite well,

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but because I planned for it, it was easier to let go.

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I wanted to find out if other sports people could actually live without their sport.

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I'm 11 years down the road from retirement.

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I was ready at the end, very similar to yourself.

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I'd done everything that I wanted to do. And it didn't make me sad.

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Tony Adams! Oh, what a finish!

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What a way to clinch the championship.

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Tony Adams, Arsenal and England hero, overcame alcoholism

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while he was still playing.

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That fight and battle put him in good stead

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for when he finished his playing days.

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I had six years, I think, from when I sobered up to when I retired

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to get to know a little bit about me.

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I lived on my own, I got divorced in that period.

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I had six years living on my own in Putney, southwest London,

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getting to know Tony, warts and all.

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Sometimes it was a bit scary.

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But I kind of was ready, learnt a few tools,

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and then the retirement happened.

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What tools did you learn in that six-year period?

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You know, how to deal with normal stuff, feelings, you know.

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The best thing about my recovery is that I've got my feelings back.

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But the worst thing about my recovery is that I've got my feelings back.

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There's anger, there's lust, there's millions of stuff that's in there.

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I was an emotional cripple, you know.

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Emotional intelligence is something that I've learnt

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over the last...learnt over the last 15 years.

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Tony set up the Sporting Chance Clinic to help other sportsmen and women

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struggling with addiction.

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When a sports person, amateur of professional, comes in here

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and wants residential treatment, usually they do it 28 days.

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They'll stay in these cottages, in the offices as well.

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I love today. I'm an upright, breathing... Life is fantastic.

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-I can do anything that I want to do today.

-Would you do it again?

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Oh, like a shot.

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Like a shot. I wouldn't change one bit.

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So you'd go back, centre half, head the ball again.

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Of course. Who wouldn't?

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Do you wish your body was good enough still to play in the Premier league?

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I reckon I can do it!

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I know you can't, but do you wish you could?

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-Have you seen me lately?

-You're looking trim, but you can't.

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His search for the better life has taken him

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from the pitch into the dugout.

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Is coaching and managing the nearest thing to playing?

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Just because you did it don't mean you can pass it on.

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I spoke to Mourinho about this and he said,

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"You've got to forget what you've been doing for the past 20 years, playing,

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"cos that's completely different.

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"Your reactions as a player is probably not needed now.

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"It's new things you're going to have to learn."

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In 2010, he accepted an invitation to build a new club - FC Gabala,

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2,500 miles away in Azerbaijan.

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Tony Adams!

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I went, "This seems different, something new. I might fancy this."

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And another big reason was the anonymity.

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I could just be free to go and make mistakes, learn my trade

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and build a football club.

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Tony has moved out of the dugout now,

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but he's still an adviser at Gabala.

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I can't help feeling he'll be involved with the game

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for the rest of his life.

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-You've described football as a drug.

-Absolutely.

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-Could you live without it?

-No.

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It's what I do, it's what I've done since the age of six,

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in one capacity or another.

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I think about it stupidly, obsessively.

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Tony's addictive personality is something the experts

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recognise all too often.

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Kitrina Douglas was a top golfer.

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She now studies retirement issues.

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It seems that how we play dictates how we cope.

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When we analyse the types of life stories that athletes tell,

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and this is across sports, there are three different types of story.

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There's the performance narrative,

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and that's the Bill Shankly type of quote, where sport isn't

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a matter of life and death, it's much more important than that.

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The discovery narrative is, winning is important

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but it's not the only thing.

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I want to do lots of other things with my life, have a family,

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play the guitar.

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Then there's the relational narrative, where it's not so much

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about winning, but it's about who I'm playing with, the camaraderie,

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the relationships you make while you're doing sport.

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And that type of journey and all those types of story,

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make a difference when it comes to retirement

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to the type of stories that you tell about your retirement.

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I know it can be tricky to forge a new career.

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As well as developing business and charity interests,

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I've been commentating on cricket for a couple of years.

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He should have defended that and now he's gone and gifted a wicket.

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The perfect start for Sri Lanka.

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'I ventured into other sports as well.

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'But when I worked on live TV at this year's Masters in Augusta,

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'I found out how hard it can be.'

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You've won this tournament three times. Who do you fancy now?

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Erm, four times, actually! But...

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'But when it comes to commentators,

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'I reckon one former sportsman

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'is head and shoulders above all the rest.

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'I went to the Albert Hall to meet the legendary John McEnroe.'

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And that's it. McEnroe wins. Three sets to love.

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You can't be serious. You cannot be serious! That ball was on the line.

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Chalk flew up.

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Can I take you back 20 years to when you made that decision? When was that moment?

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I didn't actually make the decision to retire,

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so in a way, I never actually formally retired.

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I didn't want to cry in front of the cameras the way you did.

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In 1992, his marriage to Tatum O'Neal came to an end.

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We separated and subsequently divorced,

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so there really was no sort of decision to be made.

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It was sort of...

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I was a bit overwhelmed by this personal issue

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and trying to take care of myself and my kids.

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I have three kids with Tatum.

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And so, I just sort of stepped aside and took a step back

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and just never went back on the tour.

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In the '90s, you went into music. How was that?

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The greatest perk that I ever got as a tennis player was the fact

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that I got to have people like Carlos Santana trying to teach me

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how to play guitar, or Eddie Van Halen.

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These incredible guitar players.

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Ironically, when John remarried, it was to a musician.

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Patti Smith soon put an end to his musical ambitions.

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There was a time when our baby was about to be born

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and basically it was like,

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"If any of us is going to play music, it's me, not you.

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"Let's be clear about that."

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So that sort of ended that.

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But what it has done, funnily enough,

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it's actually made me appreciate my tennis more.

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Because the more I play guitar, I go, "Thank God I can play tennis"!

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You've said, "I'll never be a commentator, never play again."

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But never say never.

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I've done pretty much everything I said I absolutely wouldn't do.

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-HE LAUGHS

-Why?

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Hopefully it's not just because it's the easiest thing.

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Left-handers are normally taught to throw the toss to their left.

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Too close to the net.

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Then, when I got into doing some commentary work, for example,

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I think people were a bit taken aback, but hopefully

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pleasantly surprised that this guy knew what he was talking about

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and perhaps had a sense of humour.

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A lot of sports,

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they don't have a seniors' or champions' tour to go back to.

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The funny part is that I actually get rewarded for the behaviour

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that I was fined for.

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'Now they want to see that.'

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Call the score, right? See if you can get that right.

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You start with that, right? The rest of it, stay out of!

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'Maybe it's pathetic in a way, or sad, but it's also'

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sort of funny, ironic, that the very things that they were lambasting

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me for, going after me, are now the things that they want to see.

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It seemed more appealing to get back out there and see some friends,

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even some rivals, but in a different way.

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Is that what you love, the competitive edge now?

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-Or is it meeting friends and meeting...?

-It's a combination.

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I've said this 100 times,

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but it beats the hell out of working for a living.

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-What about your art?

-Art is a more, I'd say, serious thing.

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I'm sort of in between a collector and a dealer.

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I'll buy and sell a few things,

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maybe hopefully show that I know what I'm talking about.

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And do you?

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I'd like to think so, but it's very subjective obviously,

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it's not like sports where you go out and there's a winner and a loser.

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This is... You can win and seemingly lose at the same time.

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Welcoming back to Centre Court, John McEnroe.

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APPLAUSE AND CHEERING

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I have a tennis academy, I spend a lot of time there.

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I want to get kids excited about the sport,

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get better athletes into the sport.

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That's my immediate goal. I'm also open to suggestion.

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THEY LAUGH

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The majority of batting is all in here.

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Batting is an attitude,

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and that's what we must take to the crease every time we go out there.

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'In cricket, we now help teenagers to prepare for retirement.

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'Even employing psychologists to help them

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'cope with the tough issues they will face when they stop playing.'

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Nice.

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We're working with under-17s here,

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and a key part of this programme is improving their self-awareness.

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So, even at this age, it seems a long way off,

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but it's keeping them grounded and they understand they have an identity

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outside their sport, so when it does arrive it's a process of transition

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rather than a one-off event, when you get this grieving process.

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Remember, batting is in the brain, not in the body.

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It's all about what you think.

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History is littered with plenty of examples of sportsmen who get stuck

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in that process and try and replace the buzz by either turning to alcohol

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or drugs, we've even seen extreme cases where people turn to suicide.

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It's largely because they don't understand that it is a stage

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and there's light at the end of the tunnel, and there's no-one there to counsel them through it.

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When I was a lad growing up in Sheffield,

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Herol 'Bomber' Graham was the one boxer we all wanted to see.

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He was probably the best British boxer never to win a world title.

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And he's hurt and is down for the first time.

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But retirement wasn't kind to Bomber.

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Herol Graham has turned on the most astonishing display

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of boxing tricks that you will ever see.

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When you were boxing, did you ever think what you would do

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when you retired?

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No. Boxers don't think that way, I don't think. You're in a bubble.

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You're just enclosed in this little bubble, and trapped in the bubble,

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and you didn't know what was going off outside.

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I thought boxing was my life.

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I thought I was going to die in boxing, literally.

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So when you finished, you had no plans, no goals,

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nothing to go in to?

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-No, nothing.

-And what about financially?

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I had plenty of money.

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But it's like saying, I had plenty of friends to go with the money.

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So it's a case of lending money.

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-And that money never came back?

-No, no, no.

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Did retirement scare you?

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I was terrified.

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There's a numbness, in the sense that, "What do I do, who am I?"

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It's like trying to find out who am I now, now I've finished boxing,

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what can this person do for himself?

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It's as if I couldn't do anything.

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And I just felt isolated in the home. You know, have a little tears.

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"What am I going to do now? I don't know what to do."

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And I didn't know what to do, at all. Really.

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I read in your book that you sat in your house, cried,

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turned to drink, brandy, and then you got a knife out.

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I just wanted to give in. I'd come to the finale.

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That's it, finished. I didn't want to go anywhere, then I cut my wrists.

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I thought it was deep, I just went right down into my wrist,

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my veins. I saw the blood spurt out

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and said, "Ah, I've done it, I've done it.

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"I can die, I can die." I was just crying and saying,

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"I'm sorry" to everybody. I was saying sorry to everybody.

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-Were you relieved at that moment that you did it?

-Yes. Really.

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People say you're mad, but I was relieved in the sense that the pressure...

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It's as if I'd relieved a kettle, a pressure cooker,

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and all the steam was flowing out.

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And that's the way I felt, just relieved.

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Luckily for Bomber, his long-time girlfriend Karen

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called the police, effectively saving his life.

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If it wasn't for her, I think I would have killed myself a long time ago.

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She's taken me through this, hand-in-hand sort of thing.

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I mean, I've had to put something in, but it was mainly her.

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She backs off a bit now and says,

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"Come on, you are strong enough to do some of it on your own now.

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"You do some of the e-mails."

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"I can't do it, I can't do it!" "Do them."

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I want to do something for the future,

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for myself, for my children and for my fiancee,

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I've got to do something for them and make it good as well.

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Bomber has been to the bottom,

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but he's on his way back and he's learnt a lot about his sport.

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It's a lonely place.

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You go out on your own in the morning, early morning running,

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you're out on your own. You go to your fight,

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loads of people there applauding you, chanting,

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"Bomber! Bomber!"

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And once it's gone, you're on your own again.

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I felt horrible, shocking, to be on my own and I still do sometimes

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Bomber, Bomber, Bomber...!

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A lot of sports people have what we call an athletic identity.

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Their whole sense of self has been developed over

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a number of years of being a particular sportsperson,

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and being a winner, not just any sportsperson.

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It's a struggle, especially as an athlete.

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You've been accustomed to being on top, earning all the money you can,

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and all of a sudden,

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those opportunities and sports get away from you.

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It's a struggle to find out, what am I going to do with my life?

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You find it quite hard to put your hand up and go, "Do you know what?

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"In my life, I don't feel as though I'm winning any more.

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"I feel I'm drifting sideways, I feel a bit lost."

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And, you know, I think everyone goes through that.

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You can still have those feelings about, "What if I'd have done this,

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"what if I'd done that? Maybe I could have done a bit more."

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They're the worst feelings to have as a retired sportsperson.

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Matthew Hoggard is one guy I know

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who could benefit from a bit of friendly retirement advice.

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My old Ashes team-mate is nearing the end of a successful career,

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but he's notorious for living in the moment.

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I'm going to get you!

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Hoggy dotes on his little lad, Ernie, and wife Sarah.

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I don't think at the moment he can see beyond playing,

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because that's all he's ever known.

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And I don't think he likes to think of it coming to an end

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and I don't think he particularly wants it

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to come to an end in the near future.

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So I think he is hiding away from it a little bit.

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HE LAUGHS

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Do you feel it's down to you to keep pushing him

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to make a decision, to plan for the future, to go on a course?

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Yes, and I have done for the last... goodness knows how many years.

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I think about that, he doesn't.

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At the end of the day, he's qualified to do nothing.

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I mean, none of you guys are really. I wish he'd have been a vet.

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That's what he wanted to do!

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When we were fighting for the Ashes back in 2005,

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I was so glad he chose cricket.

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And that's it. Those are the winning runs for England.

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Hoggard and Giles,

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the last of the heroes for England in one of the more tense situations.

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You do understand that it will come to an end eventually?

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Eventually, yeah.

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And it's about time I started planning.

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Because I haven't done much so far.

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You say you haven't done much. Have you done anything?

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I've done a course. I've got a coach's certificate, Level II.

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Obviously there's another two levels of coaching to do

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to put that string in my bow.

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-But that's about it. It's getting closer to D-Day.

-Does it worry you?

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Yeah. Course it does.

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To what extent? What is the worry about your next life?

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I stop working. Everybody needs to work, Michael.

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Money makes the world go round.

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You got to put food on the table, you've got to earn a crust.

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I'm just hoping somebody's going to wave a magic wand

0:20:480:20:52

-and it's going to get sorted.

-But it's not.

-You're right.

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Maybe this chat here, Mike, maybe you coming down and talking to me

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is going to actually put the fear of God up me

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and get me to pull my finger out and do something.

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See, that is the word that I hear a lot, the fear.

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It's a fear of the unknown.

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I mean, you fall on your feet after cricket.

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You've gone into radio, you've got fingers in lots of pies

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and know exactly what you're doing and you're excited about doing it.

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For me, there's a big, blank space, there's a void,

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and I ain't got a clue what I'm going to be doing.

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I could be stacking shelves at Morrison's if I don't

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pull my finger out and get some plans and some foundations laid down.

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When you have a spare moment, you don't think, "What am I going to be doing in 10 years?"

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I'm more likely to be thinking, "What would I do if I won the lottery?"

0:21:420:21:46

-But you're not going to do that.

-Or what I'm going to have for tea.

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-You're pretty simple, aren't you?

-Yes. I'm very simple.

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Monkey see, monkey do, Michael.

0:21:530:21:54

It's, erm... Needs must and sometime I'm going to have to grow up.

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'Knowing Matthew, he will turn it around

0:22:040:22:07

'and he's a lot smarter than he gives himself credit for.

0:22:070:22:12

'He'll do something.'

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Test cricketers can be away from home for months on end,

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so retirement at least enables you to spend more time with the family.

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Got any tricks?

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For women, the situation's a bit more complicated.

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Some do combine children and sport successfully,

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but for many, it becomes a choice between the two.

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Gail Emms helped put badminton on the sporting map in this country,

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but she won't be competing at London 2012.

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With partner Nathan Robertson, she won silver at the Olympics in 2004.

0:22:470:22:51

COMMENTATOR: Incredible shot from Gail Emms.

0:22:530:22:57

She's got different priorities now, two-year-old Harry and partner Ed.

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Training for the Olympics is easier than being a mum.

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It's very, very hard, but it is absolutely brilliant.

0:23:060:23:09

It's so cool, you know?

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It's hard in a different way. I can't control...

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I used to control everything with training and whatever I did,

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and now I've got this little person to look after.

0:23:170:23:20

Sorry, have I got to go back to you? Is the attention on you, now?

0:23:200:23:23

Don't know where he gets that from!

0:23:230:23:26

It's all about him.

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-Oh, that's amazing.

-What about you?

0:23:280:23:30

What change have you noticed in Gail

0:23:300:23:33

since she's stopped playing badminton?

0:23:330:23:36

The first year was something of a nightmare.

0:23:360:23:40

I noticed a change where she was just really worried about

0:23:400:23:44

what she was going to do next, but I think as soon as Harry came along,

0:23:440:23:48

and he's taken up both of our time, that's gone away completely.

0:23:480:23:52

One of us will be at home with Harry while the other one's at work

0:23:520:23:55

and then we do swap over.

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It's a safety bubble, sport. You know it's not real,

0:23:570:24:00

and you know you should go and do other things that normal people do...

0:24:000:24:04

-I'm so sorry! There we go. What's that?

-Ba-na!

-Banana, that's it.

0:24:040:24:10

You know it's a normal life and you've got to get out there.

0:24:100:24:15

And then you've gone from being the best to nothing. You're not anyone.

0:24:150:24:20

You were a name in a sport, you were someone,

0:24:200:24:24

and now you're not, and you've got to start again,

0:24:240:24:27

and I think that was just really scary.

0:24:270:24:30

-Two butterflies. One...

-Two.

-And one gorilla. There it is.

0:24:300:24:35

Gail's last competitive match was at the Beijing Olympics

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when she and Nathan narrowly missed out on a medal.

0:24:390:24:43

COMMENTATOR: It's wide. The dream of Olympic gold is over.

0:24:430:24:47

Gail, you said before this was going to be your last Games,

0:24:470:24:51

your last international. Doesn't change your decision?

0:24:510:24:53

Sorry!

0:24:560:24:57

There were tears in Beijing when you finally said, "That's it."

0:24:570:25:01

As soon as you come off court and you've just lost,

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and you realise it was the last time you were going to compete

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for Great Britain, they stick a camera in your face and a microphone.

0:25:060:25:10

It was Matt Pinsent and he just went, "How are you feeling right now,

0:25:100:25:13

"cos that's it, it's all over." You just get asked that. We just lost.

0:25:130:25:17

NATHAN ROBERTSON: She is amazing.

0:25:170:25:19

You see on court, how aggressive, feisty, attacking she is,

0:25:190:25:22

and it's been an amazing partnership.

0:25:220:25:25

He's got his new partner Jenny with him.

0:25:270:25:30

Younger model, I know. It's really hard.

0:25:300:25:33

Nathan and I spent so many years together and everything.

0:25:330:25:37

It was really strange the first time I watched them play together.

0:25:370:25:40

It was like watching an ex-boyfriend with his new girlfriend.

0:25:400:25:44

Is there any bitterness or any anger

0:25:440:25:46

that you are watching your ex-partner in action?

0:25:460:25:48

I just felt really emotional about it.

0:25:480:25:50

I welled up a little bit cos I was like,

0:25:500:25:53

"He doesn't need me any more. He's got someone else.

0:25:530:25:55

"He's moved on."

0:25:550:25:56

Do you ever get that feeling that you actually don't want them

0:25:560:26:01

to be as good as you two were?

0:26:010:26:02

Yes! Yeah, I'm totally open with it.

0:26:020:26:06

I said to Nathan, if he goes to Olympics he's allowed to get silver

0:26:060:26:09

but he's not allowed to get gold.

0:26:090:26:10

-A woman has a decision to make that you have to stop to have kids.

-Yeah.

0:26:120:26:16

It's impossible to do both.

0:26:160:26:17

I was trying to think of a woman badminton player

0:26:170:26:21

around when I was playing who'd had children

0:26:210:26:24

and still being able to compete... None.

0:26:240:26:25

I've always wanted children, but when do you have it?

0:26:280:26:31

Cos you really want to focus on your sporting career,

0:26:310:26:33

cos you've only got a short shelf life really, so for me,

0:26:330:26:36

I'm thinking, I'll be 31 after Beijing,

0:26:360:26:40

if I carry on for London I'll be 35,

0:26:400:26:43

and that's assuming you can get pregnant straight away.

0:26:430:26:46

You just don't know. So you're gambling with life.

0:26:460:26:49

-Did you make the right decision?

-Yes, I did.

0:26:540:26:56

I thought Brett Lee was fast!

0:26:580:27:00

You can tell you've still got the competitive edge.

0:27:020:27:04

You're trying to hit me.

0:27:040:27:07

Yes, I got one back.

0:27:070:27:09

Damn it!

0:27:100:27:11

There you go. Didn't get that one.

0:27:130:27:14

Still got it.

0:27:150:27:17

Olympic medals don't pay the bills.

0:27:180:27:21

Gail now juggles motherhood with a blossoming media career,

0:27:210:27:24

but there was a time when even our top footballers had to find

0:27:240:27:27

a job once they hung up their boots.

0:27:270:27:30

Southampton striker Mick Channon changed sports

0:27:300:27:33

and started training race horses, with great success.

0:27:330:27:36

England World Cup winner Ray Wilson became an undertaker.

0:27:360:27:40

Coventry's Micky Ginn got a job as a postman.

0:27:400:27:43

Ian Callaghan played more games for Liverpool than anyone,

0:27:430:27:46

ended up running a pub.

0:27:460:27:48

And I used to drink in a local run by Billy Whitehurst,

0:27:480:27:51

the ex-Hull City and Sheffield United striker.

0:27:510:27:54

But we now live in an era

0:27:540:27:56

where many sports people are well looked after financially

0:27:560:27:59

and don't have to look for other alternatives.

0:27:590:28:02

Despite this,

0:28:020:28:03

I found somebody who wanted to do something different

0:28:030:28:05

and get away from the sport he loved playing.

0:28:050:28:08

Every morning at 6am, an England World Cup winner heads to work

0:28:110:28:15

in London's new financial quarter.

0:28:150:28:17

COMMENTATOR: England have an overlap and they must score!

0:28:230:28:26

Josh Lewsey with a try.

0:28:260:28:29

The trading floor is the closest thing to professional sport

0:28:330:28:37

in the business world.

0:28:370:28:39

Are you just tapping out at 20% volume?

0:28:400:28:42

As a sportsman, you get most satisfaction

0:28:420:28:45

when you've had a good game and that's probably the same here.

0:28:450:28:49

I just couldn't get my head round it.

0:28:490:28:53

Josh Lewsey, equity sales trader.

0:28:530:28:56

Have you always been into this kind of stuff when you were playing?

0:28:560:29:00

I traded for five, six years while I was playing.

0:29:000:29:02

Right before a game you don't want to be on your feet so what do you do?

0:29:020:29:05

You can twiddle around your thumbs and bits and pieces

0:29:050:29:08

and some of the lads played PlayStation. I couldn't stand that.

0:29:080:29:11

We've backed a better year for equities next year

0:29:120:29:15

and as our stocks target...

0:29:150:29:18

If these guys aren't doing their job, it makes an idiot of you

0:29:180:29:21

and vice versa, so there's that natural competition, dynamism,

0:29:210:29:24

but actually, we are all part of the same team.

0:29:240:29:26

I always knew rugby was going to come to an end.

0:29:280:29:31

Sport is the best job in the world when things are going well,

0:29:310:29:34

but it's a pretty self-indulgent world,

0:29:340:29:36

and I think it's really healthy, as much as anything else,

0:29:360:29:39

to have some interests outside what you do.

0:29:390:29:43

For me, I didn't want to be, in 20 years' time,

0:29:430:29:45

still talking about what I'd done as a player.

0:29:450:29:49

Life moves on and rightly so.

0:29:490:29:51

As a sportsman, if you've done something good,

0:29:510:29:54

you get huge praise for that.

0:29:540:29:57

Everyone knows about it. It's in the papers. Your family knows about it.

0:29:570:30:01

Tens of thousands of people watch you do it.

0:30:010:30:03

You do something good here, nobody cares.

0:30:030:30:07

The guys who deal with you on a day-to-day basis

0:30:070:30:09

just judge you as just "Josh",

0:30:090:30:12

not Josh Lewsey, the ex-England rugby player,

0:30:120:30:13

ex-minor sports celebrity, as some might like to call it!

0:30:130:30:16

CHEERING

0:30:160:30:18

When you've been quite spoiled by that adulation,

0:30:210:30:24

and that fame, that sort of attention,

0:30:240:30:27

to then step away entirely is quite alien,

0:30:270:30:31

quite difficult.

0:30:310:30:33

Do you ever get the buzz of what you had as a player,

0:30:330:30:36

that feeling of winning a match?

0:30:360:30:38

You can earn all the money in the world,

0:30:380:30:40

but you can never replicate winning something for your country,

0:30:400:30:43

or walking out on the pitch for England.

0:30:430:30:45

But then again, it is a bit of a false world.

0:30:450:30:48

If you need that drug, where else do you get it?

0:30:480:30:51

Do you get it from alcohol, drugs or pulling girls?

0:30:510:30:55

That fix - the adrenalin fix, really -

0:30:550:30:57

how do you get that elsewhere?

0:30:570:31:00

I think that's why that transition period is very, very hard.

0:31:000:31:04

Keep it at 20% of the volume. Thanks. Bye.

0:31:040:31:08

'Not everyone can make a clean break like Josh has done.

0:31:080:31:11

'Sport is full of comeback stories.

0:31:110:31:14

'This year, we were all amazed

0:31:140:31:16

'when Paul Scholes returned to Manchester United,

0:31:160:31:18

'just months after retiring.

0:31:180:31:21

'But there's one revival story that tops the lot.

0:31:210:31:25

'I flew to Houston, Texas, to meet the king of the comeback.

0:31:250:31:31

'George Foreman has always been someone that's intrigued me.

0:31:400:31:43

'He won his title back 20 years after he first lost it.

0:31:430:31:47

'At the age of 19, he was an Olympic gold medallist.

0:31:510:31:53

'He went on to become the heavyweight champion of the world.

0:31:530:31:57

'He then lost to Muhammad Ali in the Rumble in the Jungle.

0:32:000:32:04

'He only lost one more fight, to Jimmy Young,

0:32:040:32:07

'but something happened in that dressing room

0:32:070:32:10

'that caused him to retire.'

0:32:100:32:12

-How you doing?

-You all right?

-I'm going to live the good life now?

0:32:120:32:16

HE LAUGHS

0:32:160:32:18

-You've lived it already, haven't you?

-Trying to.

0:32:180:32:21

-Have a seat.

-OK.

0:32:210:32:23

What happened that night you lost to Jimmy Young, in the dressing room?

0:32:230:32:26

You say that God arrived?

0:32:260:32:28

I had a lot of hate in my heart.

0:32:280:32:31

I was going to be the number one contender again,

0:32:310:32:33

and get my title back.

0:32:330:32:35

That was my whole focus.

0:32:350:32:37

Then when I lost to Jimmy Young,

0:32:370:32:39

to meet up with religion like that, it just blew me away.

0:32:390:32:42

I didn't know what to think.

0:32:420:32:44

I had to go on the street corners and preach,

0:32:440:32:47

and I'd cut all my hair off. My beloved moustache was gone.

0:32:470:32:50

And I'd gained all this weight.

0:32:500:32:52

People would actually pass me down the street,

0:32:520:32:54

they'd hear me preaching, wouldn't stop.

0:32:540:32:56

I stopped and said, "You know what? I'm George Foreman.

0:32:560:32:59

"Yes, I fought Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier.

0:32:590:33:02

"But I'm here preaching for Jesus Christ". And they'd stop.

0:33:020:33:07

So you went away from boxing for ten years, and then you came back?

0:33:070:33:11

I'd put all of my effort into the George Foreman Youth Centre.

0:33:110:33:13

I'd started helping kids go to college.

0:33:130:33:16

I'd run out of money. I just couldn't let this place close.

0:33:160:33:18

I had to find a way to keep the George Foreman Centre going,

0:33:180:33:23

and I had to go to work.

0:33:230:33:24

And I had one profession. It was boxing.

0:33:240:33:27

How much harder was it second time around?

0:33:270:33:30

The second time around, in boxing, is rougher,

0:33:300:33:32

because you have to work harder.

0:33:320:33:34

I was 315 lbs, so not only did I have to work out

0:33:340:33:38

to get in shape,

0:33:380:33:39

I had to lose all of this weight.

0:33:390:33:42

No-one took me serious. Everyone said, "He's out for the big bucks."

0:33:420:33:46

These young guys would come out and challenge me.

0:33:460:33:49

One knockout after another. It was pretty easy.

0:33:490:33:51

Next thing you know, I was back in the contention-ship,

0:33:550:33:57

and fighting for the title.

0:33:570:33:58

What a shot! Oh, my goodness!

0:33:580:34:01

COMMENTATOR: George!

0:34:040:34:07

Oh...

0:34:070:34:09

my!

0:34:090:34:11

Boxing seems to be the one sport where boxers retire

0:34:130:34:17

and then come back.

0:34:170:34:18

Bruno, Bugner, yourself.

0:34:180:34:20

Why is that? Don't you get enough of it when you're in your...?

0:34:200:34:23

I think the easiest thing about boxing is getting into the sport.

0:34:230:34:29

The hardest part is to walk away, leave it alone.

0:34:290:34:32

We all have to be crazy to box in the first place.

0:34:320:34:36

The sad thing about it - that craziness lingers on.

0:34:360:34:39

We don't know when to quit.

0:34:390:34:41

You just have to have someone in your life

0:34:410:34:43

to tell you enough is enough.

0:34:430:34:45

Most boxers can't find that person.

0:34:450:34:48

There's always that one purse, and that one punch

0:34:480:34:50

you think you can land. Always.

0:34:500:34:53

I think I'll be sitting there at 70 years old,

0:34:530:34:55

thinking, "I got one more fight!"

0:34:550:34:57

HE LAUGHS

0:34:570:34:59

Who was the one person that said to you, "Come on.

0:34:590:35:02

"Step aside now."

0:35:020:35:03

My wife told me. I told you, I argued with my wife.

0:35:030:35:07

I was going to get one good fight.

0:35:070:35:09

I knew I could do it.

0:35:090:35:10

I would even pay the number one contender to beat him.

0:35:100:35:13

I said, "I can still do it. Don't you believe in me?"

0:35:130:35:16

She said, "Isn't that the way you want to leave the sport?

0:35:160:35:19

"Believing that you can still do it?"

0:35:190:35:21

I said, "Yep." She said, "Leave it."

0:35:210:35:23

-And I left it.

-What about the George Foreman Grill?

0:35:230:35:27

For the first time in my life, I learned to sell.

0:35:270:35:30

I heard a lady say once, "If you learn to sell, you'll never starve."

0:35:300:35:34

I would sell religion on the street corners.

0:35:340:35:37

Finally a friend said to me,

0:35:370:35:39

"Why don't you get your own product?"

0:35:390:35:40

-Potato wedges?

-Uh-huh.

0:35:400:35:41

-Steak?

-Sure.

0:35:410:35:43

-Paninis?

-Easy.

0:35:430:35:44

I learned then that boxing was not about hit and run,

0:35:440:35:48

it was about selling,

0:35:480:35:51

so I boxed. Boom! It sure did hurt.

0:35:510:35:53

And then I'd get a chance.

0:35:530:35:55

"Yes! Try the George Foreman Grill," or whatever.

0:35:550:35:58

So I spent the latter part of my boxing career

0:35:580:36:01

in the ring, selling things.

0:36:010:36:04

Boxing was least of it.

0:36:040:36:05

What does retirement mean to George Foreman?

0:36:050:36:08

There's no such thing as retirement with George Foreman.

0:36:080:36:11

I think that's the worst thing that could happen

0:36:110:36:14

to any professional man, especially an athlete,

0:36:140:36:17

because you retire - the next thing is die.

0:36:170:36:20

And I'm afraid of that, so I haven't retired.

0:36:200:36:23

I don't even think the word.

0:36:230:36:24

'George keeps busy.

0:36:240:36:26

'He's got five sons, all called George,

0:36:260:36:28

'and one of them's a promising heavyweight.

0:36:280:36:30

'And at his own church, just along the road,

0:36:300:36:34

'he continues to preach, three times a week.'

0:36:340:36:36

ALL: One, two, three, squeeze.

0:36:390:36:42

One, two, three, squeeze.

0:36:420:36:43

One, two, three, squeeze.

0:36:430:36:45

'Matt Hampson didn't choose retirement, it chose him.'

0:36:450:36:49

One, two, three, squeeze.

0:36:490:36:51

'While training for England's Under-21 rugby team,

0:36:510:36:54

'he suffered a horrific accident.

0:36:540:36:57

'A collapsed scrum left him paralysed from the neck down.'

0:36:570:37:01

My darkest times was probably in hospital.

0:37:090:37:14

There was a lot of emotion going through my mind.

0:37:140:37:18

A lot of things...

0:37:180:37:20

"What do I do with my life now?

0:37:200:37:22

"What can I do?"

0:37:220:37:26

From one minute being a professional sportsman,

0:37:260:37:29

and being fit and healthy,

0:37:290:37:32

and being able to do what I want to do,

0:37:320:37:37

to lying in intensive care,

0:37:370:37:39

not being able to even speak,

0:37:390:37:42

is a pretty tough pill to swallow, really.

0:37:420:37:45

You know, "Why me?"

0:37:450:37:48

The scenario of, "Why me? Why me?"

0:37:480:37:50

And coming out of that, and seeing other people in the same situation,

0:37:500:37:53

and, actually, "Why not me?"

0:37:530:37:56

-This is my bedroom.

-I see you've cleaned it up for us.

0:37:560:38:01

That's it, yeah. I had a bit of a tidy-up.

0:38:010:38:04

How long does it take you to get up and running in the morning?

0:38:040:38:07

It's approximately four hours.

0:38:070:38:09

If you notice the rail through there,

0:38:090:38:11

that's my bed hoist.

0:38:110:38:14

I like to have a shower every morning.

0:38:140:38:17

I just think it makes you feel human, you know.

0:38:170:38:20

-Is that a telly?

-Yeah.

0:38:200:38:22

A TV in every room. That's it.

0:38:230:38:26

-It's like Cribbs, isn't it?

-That's it.

0:38:260:38:30

Let's talk about your book.

0:38:300:38:34

The front cover's there on the wall.

0:38:340:38:36

How hard was it to do that book?

0:38:360:38:39

It was really tough.

0:38:390:38:42

It was a real emotional drain on me.

0:38:420:38:44

But I actually think it was a real cathartic process

0:38:440:38:49

that I went through whilst doing it.

0:38:490:38:52

It was actually really good for me.

0:38:520:38:54

-It was almost like a form of counselling.

-Really?

-Yes.

0:38:540:38:59

CHEERING

0:38:590:39:01

'After his injury, a charitable foundation was set up to help him.

0:39:050:39:09

'Now Matt's using it to help others.'

0:39:090:39:12

It's kind of taken the emphasis off myself,

0:39:120:39:15

and moved on to other people.

0:39:150:39:18

I get an immense sense

0:39:180:39:21

of wellbeing

0:39:210:39:24

by helping other people in the same situation.

0:39:240:39:27

ALL: Set! MATT: Touch. Pause.

0:39:290:39:32

Engage!

0:39:320:39:33

ALL: One, two, three, squeeze!

0:39:330:39:35

One, two, three, squeeze!

0:39:350:39:37

MATT: Whoa!

0:39:370:39:39

It fascinates me that you coach the scrum.

0:39:390:39:42

How do you do that?

0:39:420:39:44

It's strange, but it's still my favourite part of the game.

0:39:440:39:48

It is a strange old thing,

0:39:480:39:50

that confrontation that I love about the scrum,

0:39:500:39:53

and, for me, it's the most important part of the game,

0:39:530:39:59

still now.

0:39:590:40:00

What I wanted you to do there on the front row

0:40:000:40:03

is to get on your toes, and fire in snappy, straightaway,

0:40:030:40:07

rather than rock back, and then going in.

0:40:070:40:09

'I love doing it,

0:40:090:40:11

'and I think it's the next-best thing to playing the sport.'

0:40:110:40:15

You guys are talented lads,

0:40:150:40:16

and I hope it goes well the rest of the season.

0:40:160:40:19

I was very proud of Matt before.

0:40:220:40:24

Obviously, a father would be. His son playing for England.

0:40:240:40:27

But I'm more proud of him now.

0:40:270:40:28

He's so inspirational.

0:40:280:40:30

He never moans about anything.

0:40:300:40:32

He's never down. His spirits are always high.

0:40:320:40:35

An inspirational character for other people.

0:40:350:40:38

So, hopefully, they'll surprise a few people.

0:40:380:40:42

-When is it - on Saturday?

-Yeah, Saturday.

0:40:420:40:46

How, over the years, have you found this incredibly positive mentality?

0:40:460:40:51

How have you been able to do that?

0:40:510:40:53

You come to realise that there's a lot more to life

0:40:530:40:58

than just being a professional sportsman,

0:40:580:41:00

or a rugby player.

0:41:000:41:02

I'm in a wheelchair,

0:41:020:41:04

I'm on a ventilator.

0:41:040:41:05

I've got a pipe hanging from my neck,

0:41:050:41:07

but I'm living a good and very fulfilled life.

0:41:070:41:10

There is a life after a catastrophic injury,

0:41:100:41:14

like mine.

0:41:140:41:16

'Sometimes, it's sport itself which gives you a second chance.

0:41:240:41:28

'One moment of brilliance allows you to play on,

0:41:280:41:31

'further than you probably thought you could have done.

0:41:310:41:34

'Darren Clarke's a man born again.

0:41:340:41:36

'Last summer, he won the Open Championship,

0:41:360:41:39

'when even he didn't rate his chances.'

0:41:390:41:42

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

0:41:420:41:44

'At 42, it was his first major.

0:41:440:41:48

'He'd been a top golfer, with 22 tournament wins,

0:41:480:41:50

'but he'll be the first to admit that, until that amazing week,

0:41:500:41:54

'he felt his playing days were coming to an end.'

0:41:540:41:57

It was my pinnacle.

0:41:570:41:59

It's the biggest, best and oldest tournament in the world.

0:41:590:42:01

Fortunate enough to win it, to get my name on the trophy.

0:42:010:42:06

What's left for me? I don't know.

0:42:060:42:08

'Now, as Open champion,

0:42:080:42:10

'he no longer has to qualify for the majors, for years to come.

0:42:100:42:14

'Any thoughts of retirement have been shelved.'

0:42:140:42:18

There you go. If I don't hit the blue...

0:42:240:42:26

Sit. Sit. Sit!

0:42:260:42:28

The speed's a bit wrong.

0:42:280:42:31

Ever the perfectionist.

0:42:310:42:34

The public have this perception of you being a very laid-back,

0:42:340:42:36

Guinness-drinking...

0:42:360:42:38

-Second part's right!

-HE LAUGHS

0:42:380:42:40

They do, and I do enjoy it,

0:42:400:42:43

when it's my switch-off time.

0:42:430:42:46

But I work way, way too hard.

0:42:460:42:49

I go down to Portrush, when I'm at home.

0:42:490:42:51

I'll spend nine/ten hours down there.

0:42:510:42:53

I just can't leave it alone.

0:42:530:42:55

It's like a drug to me, and I'm obsessed.

0:42:550:42:57

And I can't leave it alone, just yet.

0:42:570:42:59

ANNOUNCER: On the tee, from Northern Ireland, Darren Clarke!

0:42:590:43:02

APPLAUSE AND CHEERING

0:43:020:43:04

If you'd have missed the cut at the Open, what would happen to you?

0:43:040:43:06

I'd have been on ESPN.

0:43:060:43:08

-Commentating on the Saturday and Sunday?

-Yeah.

0:43:080:43:11

I kept apologising to them, "Sorry, I've played too well,

0:43:110:43:15

"so I won't be able to do the commentary!"

0:43:150:43:17

-HE LAUGHS

-Is that right?

-Yeah.

0:43:170:43:18

Darren, over this way. Here we go.

0:43:180:43:21

I just think, "You've been a decent player for quite some time.

0:43:210:43:26

"This is the tournament that you want more than anything.

0:43:260:43:30

"You've been through a bit of thick and thin. You can have this one."

0:43:300:43:33

'Darren tragically lost his wife, Heather, to breast cancer in 2006,

0:43:330:43:38

'and it had a massive impact on his game.'

0:43:380:43:42

In terms of my career, I had five years where I wasn't competitive.

0:43:420:43:46

You know, the game has given me five years back again,

0:43:460:43:49

by winning the Open.

0:43:490:43:51

It would probably be very foolish of me

0:43:510:43:53

if I didn't try and make the most of it.

0:43:530:43:55

Have you ever got to that stage

0:43:550:43:56

where you've been in your hotel room, or at home,

0:43:560:43:58

and gone, "Right, that's it"?

0:43:580:44:00

-Oh, yeah!

-How many times?

0:44:000:44:02

Obviously, when Heather, my wife, passed away.

0:44:020:44:05

That was one of them, trying to keep everything together.

0:44:050:44:09

Just a few other occasions, when the game had just really got to me,

0:44:090:44:11

where I'd been trying and trying and trying,

0:44:110:44:13

and nothing was happening.

0:44:130:44:15

Anything that was, was all going the wrong way.

0:44:150:44:17

Would you reckon you could

0:44:170:44:21

have just given up golf, and not played?

0:44:210:44:23

No, I couldn't. Not yet.

0:44:230:44:25

-Is it getting close?

-No.

0:44:250:44:28

No, no.

0:44:280:44:30

Not now!

0:44:300:44:32

HE LAUGHS

0:44:320:44:34

You'll play forever now. Four good days in a sport, and there you are.

0:44:340:44:37

-Play forever.

-I know.

0:44:370:44:39

It's a good game, golf, isn't it?

0:44:390:44:41

It is! It is.

0:44:410:44:43

It's very easy to forget

0:44:450:44:48

how lucky we are to be doing what we do.

0:44:480:44:51

That's the whole thing. You get down on yourself,

0:44:510:44:53

but travelling round the world,

0:44:530:44:56

playing on some of the best golf courses in the world...

0:44:560:44:58

Watch this, watch this.

0:44:580:45:00

Such a good cueing action.

0:45:000:45:03

-Look at that! Do you see that!

-Nice shot.

0:45:030:45:05

I just didn't get enough top right on it to get onto that.

0:45:050:45:08

Unbelievable!

0:45:080:45:11

Can you understand sports people who really struggle

0:45:110:45:15

-and go through depression or...?

-Yeah. Definitely.

0:45:150:45:18

Definitely. Without a doubt!

0:45:180:45:20

Because that thrill and the high that you get

0:45:200:45:23

when you do it

0:45:230:45:24

and you do it well, is irreplaceable. I think you miss it.

0:45:240:45:29

-Potted a few in.

-We have.

0:45:290:45:32

'In terms of retirement, I think he's miles off.'

0:45:320:45:35

Oh, yes!

0:45:370:45:38

'A major win allows a golfer to play for so much longer

0:45:380:45:41

'and it opens so many doors,

0:45:410:45:43

'new opportunities and some quite large cheques.

0:45:430:45:46

'And who'd want to give that up?'

0:45:460:45:49

Miss out the green. Thank you, boy!

0:45:520:45:53

-Very nicely played.

-Always a pleasure.

-One thing's for sure.

0:45:530:45:56

-Neither of us could play snooker.

-Pool.

-You stick to golf.

0:45:560:46:00

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

0:46:000:46:03

Would you say athletes struggle because you can

0:46:030:46:06

never really get that kind of emotion again,

0:46:060:46:10

away from the sporting days?

0:46:100:46:13

It's interesting the language you use to define that.

0:46:130:46:17

So if I were sort of analysing our talk, you said, "You can never."

0:46:170:46:21

When we talk like that over a number of years,

0:46:210:46:25

then we won't.

0:46:250:46:27

But if we value other things along that journey

0:46:270:46:30

and this is part of it,

0:46:300:46:31

then other things have always been there all along.

0:46:310:46:34

So, for example, one participant in my research said,

0:46:340:46:37

"Yes, I've won lots of tournaments but they don't compare

0:46:370:46:39

"to giving birth to my daughter."

0:46:390:46:42

A big complicating factor in this is

0:46:430:46:46

the man from the outside that's never been involved

0:46:460:46:48

in high-level sport and looks at these people and thinks,

0:46:480:46:51

"How can I feel sorry for this person who's basically had

0:46:510:46:54

"15 years playing sport at the top of what they love doing

0:46:540:46:57

"and earning money for doing it?"

0:46:570:46:59

But it's like anything else.

0:46:590:47:01

You lose something you have that was incredibly important to you,

0:47:010:47:04

doesn't make it any less painful.

0:47:040:47:05

I've really enjoyed meeting the different sports people

0:47:070:47:10

and listening to all their stories.

0:47:100:47:12

They've gone through the strains, the stresses, the mourning,

0:47:120:47:16

but the majority of them have come through the other side.

0:47:160:47:19

Sit back, sit back.

0:47:190:47:21

It's helped me appreciate that no two stories are the same.

0:47:210:47:24

We all cope differently and I think anyone facing retirement

0:47:240:47:28

can relate to what they have to say.

0:47:280:47:30

You've got to go through that grieving process,

0:47:300:47:32

get it out of your system and then relish the challenge.

0:47:320:47:35

It's probably not a bad idea to focus on the family,

0:47:350:47:39

but also realise you need to keep busy.

0:47:390:47:41

I think the earlier you start investing in your future,

0:47:410:47:44

the better.

0:47:440:47:45

If you want something you have to get it.

0:47:450:47:48

Don't let other people get it for you.

0:47:480:47:50

Get to know yourself, what you like doing, what you don't.

0:47:500:47:53

One door closes, another one opens.

0:47:530:47:56

Don't just let your sport use you, use the sport.

0:47:560:48:01

You have a famous name, exploit that name.

0:48:010:48:05

Learn to sell, learn to sell

0:48:050:48:07

and you'll always have a bright future, but learn to sell.

0:48:070:48:10

You've got another, what...

0:48:100:48:13

30, 40, even 50 years of your life to live.

0:48:130:48:18

Try and find a niche

0:48:180:48:20

and try and find something else that you can do away from sport.

0:48:200:48:24

As much as retirement is a tough decision,

0:48:280:48:30

all sports people have to realise we've been in a fortunate position.

0:48:300:48:34

We can't feel sorry for ourselves.

0:48:340:48:37

We have to look for a new career.

0:48:370:48:39

We have to get excited about doing something new.

0:48:390:48:42

Most of us get to make that choice.

0:48:420:48:44

People like Matthew Hampson don't.

0:48:440:48:46

Retirement chooses them.

0:48:460:48:48

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