T Llew Jones

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-When I'm writing -children's stories...	0:00:01	0:00:04
-..I might reach an exciting -and emotional part of the story...	0:00:04	0:00:10
-..and I cry, which is astounding.	0:00:10	0:00:14
-It astounds me.	0:00:14	0:00:16
-Few people -can write children's stories...	0:00:17	0:00:20
-..and inhabit -a child's world, but he could.	0:00:21	0:00:24
-Children sometimes ask me -a difficult question.	0:00:25	0:00:29
-"Is that a true story?"	0:00:29	0:00:33
-I reply with the answer...	0:00:33	0:00:35
-.."It's true to me."	0:00:35	0:00:37
-It's an adventure story -and it's fun to read.	0:00:38	0:00:41
-He was a Peter Pan figure. -He didn't age at all.	0:00:42	0:00:45
-He was young at heart.	0:00:45	0:00:47
-It's interesting and I enjoy it...	0:00:49	0:00:52
-..but I want to find out -who Sion Cwilt is.	0:00:52	0:00:55
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-Mr T Llew Jones of Cardiganshire.	0:01:02	0:01:06
-He won two bardic chairs at the -National Eisteddfod with his odes.	0:01:06	0:01:11
-The truth against the world.	0:01:12	0:01:15
-Is there peace?	0:01:15	0:01:17
-Peace!	0:01:17	0:01:19
-What we have in both odes is -someone looking at a better place...	0:01:20	0:01:24
-..that's within our reach.	0:01:25	0:01:27
-He was -a familiar storyteller and poet...	0:01:34	0:01:38
-..but for me, he was an enchanter.	0:01:38	0:01:41
-He had the most remarkable ability -to pull the reader into his world.	0:01:41	0:01:46
-And yes, he enchanted generations.	0:01:47	0:01:49
-Everyone's familiar -with the name, T Llew Jones...	0:01:50	0:01:53
-..but how many really knew the man?	0:01:53	0:01:57
-It's a place of beauty.	0:02:04	0:02:06
-There's -no prettier place in Wales...	0:02:07	0:02:09
-..Europe or, indeed, the world.	0:02:10	0:02:12
-You look out over Ynys Lochtyn -and the Carreg Bica standing stone.	0:02:12	0:02:17
-We're sitting beside Saint Crannog.	0:02:17	0:02:20
-I'm pleased -they erected this statue.	0:02:20	0:02:23
-It's a symbol of -the area's civility and culture.	0:02:23	0:02:26
-If you carry on over the bridge, -you'll come to Cwmtydu.	0:02:30	0:02:34
-My mother's family, the Cilie, -hailed from there.	0:02:34	0:02:37
-This is our locality, -this is the family's neighbourhood.	0:02:38	0:02:42
-We lived -in a house further up the valley.	0:02:43	0:02:46
-Thinking back...	0:02:46	0:02:49
-..I regard Mam as the archetypical -mother, who loved her children...	0:02:49	0:02:55
-..and looked after her husband -in every way.	0:02:55	0:02:58
-She always supported him.	0:02:58	0:03:01
-She wasn't a poet, then?	0:03:01	0:03:03
-No. Her brother, Jac Alun, -was a poet, however...	0:03:03	0:03:07
-..along with other men -in the family.	0:03:07	0:03:10
-Chauvinistically, men didn't believe -women could write poetry!	0:03:10	0:03:15
-What did you mother call him? Tom?	0:03:20	0:03:24
-Yes, she called him Tom. He was -Tom Llewelyn Jones to some people.	0:03:24	0:03:28
-His full name -was Thomas Llewelyn Jones.	0:03:28	0:03:31
-I can't relate to him as a Tom.	0:03:31	0:03:34
-No, he was a Llew.	0:03:34	0:03:36
-My father was a romantic.	0:03:37	0:03:39
-He romanticised -the era of the smugglers.	0:03:39	0:03:42
-Take Sion Cwilt, for instance.	0:03:42	0:03:44
-He'd imagine the donkeys -coming down here with the caskets.	0:03:44	0:03:48
-The boat would come into the bay...	0:03:49	0:03:52
-..and perhaps they'd -row out to meet the boat...	0:03:53	0:03:56
-..and bring the caskets back -and hide them in the caves.	0:03:56	0:04:00
-It's all here.	0:04:00	0:04:02
-Though the influence of one -of Wales' most beautiful areas...	0:04:04	0:04:09
-..features prominently -in T Llew Jones' work...	0:04:09	0:04:12
-..his talent for writing gripping -tales was undeniably in his genes.	0:04:13	0:04:18
-Where did your talent -for narrating a story come from?	0:04:18	0:04:22
-I was a child -and I was in an environment...	0:04:23	0:04:26
-..where people -would meet at our house.	0:04:26	0:04:29
-Men would come and see my father -and they'd sit around the fire.	0:04:29	0:04:33
-I'd listen to them talking.	0:04:34	0:04:35
-Mam-gu would tell plenty of stories.	0:04:36	0:04:39
-She'd tell tall tales -and ghost stories...	0:04:39	0:04:41
-..and recount her own experiences...	0:04:42	0:04:44
-..of fishing for salmon -without a licence.	0:04:45	0:04:47
-I think all those things -moulded my character.	0:04:48	0:04:52
-I was no good at mathematics.	0:04:52	0:04:55
-I couldn't sing -or draw pictures but I could write.	0:04:55	0:05:00
-My English teacher -would often praise me...	0:05:02	0:05:06
-..if I wrote a story or whatever.	0:05:06	0:05:09
-Miss Pearce became ill, you see.	0:05:09	0:05:11
-There was a character in school -back then called Mr Sweet...	0:05:11	0:05:16
-..who we used to call Dai Losin.	0:05:16	0:05:18
-He'd fought in the war and he -would lose his temper very quickly.	0:05:19	0:05:23
-He'd taken over from Miss Pearce, -the English teacher.	0:05:25	0:05:29
-I'd written a story -and sent it in to be marked.	0:05:29	0:05:34
-When Dai Losin came into class -with the papers under his arm...	0:05:34	0:05:39
-..he beckoned me over -with his finger like that.	0:05:40	0:05:44
-He said to me, "Who wrote this?"	0:05:44	0:05:49
-I said, "I did," -and he gave me a slap.	0:05:49	0:05:52
-That's completely true.	0:05:53	0:05:55
-He didn't believe -that I'd written it, you see.	0:05:55	0:05:58
-He admits he didn't try very hard...	0:06:01	0:06:03
-..during his unhappy school days -at Llandysul Grammar.	0:06:03	0:06:08
-His father died, and as a result...	0:06:10	0:06:12
-..he had to support the family.	0:06:12	0:06:15
-He became a roadside worker -as well as a clerk and a woodcutter.	0:06:15	0:06:19
-I can say -I'm a great woodcutter to this day.	0:06:19	0:06:22
-I can make a tree fall -in the exact spot I want it to fall.	0:06:22	0:06:26
-A few years later, by which time -he'd married Margaret...	0:06:26	0:06:31
-..he had to leave home...	0:06:31	0:06:33
-..and join the RAF in Egypt, -and then Italy.	0:06:33	0:06:38
-During the war, he spent -a long time away from home.	0:06:38	0:06:42
-He was a stranger to me -in the beginning.	0:06:42	0:06:45
-Unfortunately, he had to go away -again to train as a teacher.	0:06:45	0:06:50
-He spent a year away...	0:06:50	0:06:52
-..which prolonged the period...	0:06:52	0:06:55
-..we were apart.	0:06:55	0:06:57
-To tell you the truth, I think -it affected our relationship.	0:06:57	0:07:02
-He hadn't been with me -during my early childhood.	0:07:02	0:07:06
-I can't remember him ever sitting -down and teaching me anything...	0:07:06	0:07:11
-..or asking me about school - -he didn't even teach me cynghanedd.	0:07:11	0:07:15
-I was into mischief and riding my -bike. I was never indoors, studying.	0:07:16	0:07:21
-We have to remember...	0:07:22	0:07:25
-..that in terms of his creativity...	0:07:25	0:07:28
-..work always had to come first.	0:07:28	0:07:32
-He had to write his novels in peace.	0:07:32	0:07:34
-If the muse took him, -he had to write straightaway.	0:07:35	0:07:39
-It's difficult to have a normal life -like everyone else...	0:07:39	0:07:44
-..because you're a slave -to the muse.	0:07:44	0:07:47
-If the muse calls you, -you have to obey.	0:07:47	0:07:49
-I enjoy the idea -of being a professional writer...	0:07:55	0:07:58
-..despite only doing it -for three months.	0:07:59	0:08:02
-I'd love to be a professional writer -for the rest of my life...	0:08:02	0:08:06
-..because I feel...	0:08:06	0:08:09
-..that's the only way...	0:08:09	0:08:12
-..to write.	0:08:12	0:08:14
-An author must have leisure time...	0:08:14	0:08:17
-..with nothing -interrupting his thoughts.	0:08:17	0:08:21
-I treasure the memory I have of him -as a creative person.	0:08:23	0:08:27
-I didn't expect him to sit down -with me. I had other things to do.	0:08:28	0:08:32
-I was playing football or rugby.	0:08:32	0:08:34
-I didn't want to be indoors, -talking about poetry!	0:08:35	0:08:38
-When Emyr was six years old...	0:08:38	0:08:40
-..his brother Iolo was born.	0:08:41	0:08:44
-Pontgarreg is -a stone's throw from Llangrannog.	0:08:44	0:08:48
-It's here that T Llew -spent the last 35 years of his life.	0:08:48	0:08:52
-Iolo still lives here.	0:08:55	0:08:57
-Hello, Beti. -How are you? Come inside.	0:08:58	0:09:02
-I'm quite familiar -with this living room, Iolo...	0:09:05	0:09:08
-..because I came here many times -to interview your father.	0:09:08	0:09:12
-I always received a warm welcome.	0:09:13	0:09:15
-How many chairs are in here?	0:09:17	0:09:19
-Three chairs.	0:09:19	0:09:20
-Yes, there are three in this room.	0:09:21	0:09:23
-This is the second chair he won -at the 1959 Caernarfon Eisteddfod.	0:09:23	0:09:29
-The other, over there, -he won in 1958.	0:09:29	0:09:31
-That was his first National.	0:09:32	0:09:34
-Tell me about that cartoon, Iolo. -Who drew that?	0:09:35	0:09:38
-Gerallt Lloyd Owen.	0:09:38	0:09:40
-Few people know -that he's an accomplished artist.	0:09:40	0:09:44
-My father -is on the bottom left-hand side.	0:09:45	0:09:49
-Euros Bowen is on the right-hand -side, and Alan Llwyd.	0:09:50	0:09:54
-Dic Jones -is up there on the tractor.	0:09:55	0:09:57
-What are all these cups, Iolo?	0:09:57	0:10:00
-I've won a few trophies -here and there for playing chess.	0:10:01	0:10:04
-I've a small gold medal down here.	0:10:05	0:10:08
-Is it real gold?	0:10:08	0:10:11
-Yes, so they say.	0:10:11	0:10:13
-What did you win this for?	0:10:14	0:10:16
-"Olympiad Novi Sad."	0:10:16	0:10:18
-Only two players from Wales have -ever won a gold medal for chess.	0:10:21	0:10:25
-I happen to be one of them.	0:10:25	0:10:27
-I happen to be one of them. - -Who's the other then?	0:10:27	0:10:29
-Leighton Williams, -a man from Abercynon.	0:10:29	0:10:33
-In here is the study, -as my father used to call it.	0:10:33	0:10:37
-He'd write all his books in here.	0:10:38	0:10:40
-If only these four walls could talk.	0:10:40	0:10:45
-If only, indeed.	0:10:45	0:10:48
-He was more productive -in the mornings.	0:10:51	0:10:54
-He felt his mind -worked better in the morning.	0:10:54	0:10:58
-That's when he was most creative.	0:10:58	0:11:00
-You wouldn't want to disturb him?	0:11:00	0:11:02
-You wouldn't want to disturb him? - -No, not at all.	0:11:02	0:11:03
-I typed everything -on an old typewriter...	0:11:06	0:11:09
-..with two fingers.	0:11:09	0:11:11
-I only used -two fingers whilst typing...	0:11:11	0:11:14
-..but I was fast.	0:11:14	0:11:16
-His novels and colourful characters -still excite children of all ages.	0:11:16	0:11:23
-Figures like Sion Cwilt -in Dirgelwch Yr Ogof...	0:11:23	0:11:26
-..Harri Morgan -in Trysor Y Mor-ladron...	0:11:26	0:11:29
-..and Tim Boswell in Tan Ar Y Comin.	0:11:29	0:11:31
-When I look back, I'm surprised -I've written so much...	0:11:34	0:11:40
-..but it came very easily to me -at the time.	0:11:40	0:11:44
-He was also a children's poet.	0:11:44	0:11:47
-The product -of his furtive imagination...	0:11:48	0:11:51
-..is part of our literary heritage.	0:11:51	0:11:52
-..is part of our literary heritage. - -Traeth Y Pigyn is one example.	0:11:52	0:11:55
-"It's sunny on Traeth Y Pigyn	0:11:59	0:12:01
-"Where the sea casts up its foam	0:12:01	0:12:03
-"Where the breeze -whistles in the rocks	0:12:03	0:12:05
-"Where the sun glistens on the waves	0:12:05	0:12:07
-"Come with me to Traeth Y Pigyn -for a happy holiday	0:12:07	0:12:12
-"Won't you come with me? -Won't you come with me? Won't you?"	0:12:12	0:12:16
-Your mother -was very protective of him.	0:12:20	0:12:23
-I remember coming here. She was -the one who did all the cooking.	0:12:23	0:12:28
-But she lost her sight -later in life, didn't she?	0:12:28	0:12:31
-Yes, she had glaucoma. She gradually -lost her sight over the years.	0:12:32	0:12:36
-In the end, -it was he who looked after her.	0:12:36	0:12:39
-I remember him having to cook.	0:12:39	0:12:42
-He had to do -most of the cooking after that.	0:12:42	0:12:45
-T Llew was one of -a small group of people...	0:12:46	0:12:50
-..who fought to establish -an independent chess union in Wales.	0:12:50	0:12:55
-It's no wonder that Iolo, who's -an international chess champion...	0:12:55	0:12:59
-..had honed his skills -with his father.	0:12:59	0:13:02
-They wrote -a Welsh-language chess handbook.	0:13:02	0:13:05
-He acquired a chess set...	0:13:06	0:13:08
-..from one of the soldiers -when the war ended.	0:13:09	0:13:12
-We bought a book -in an attempt to improve our game.	0:13:12	0:13:16
-The book was fittingly called -The Right Way To Play Chess.	0:13:16	0:13:20
-But another game -took his fancy when he was young.	0:13:24	0:13:28
-Some people call it chess on grass.	0:13:28	0:13:31
-He loved cricket, didn't he?	0:13:31	0:13:33
-Yes, indeed.	0:13:34	0:13:36
-My father was given this -as a gift for his 90th birthday.	0:13:36	0:13:40
-It's been signed...	0:13:40	0:13:43
-..by local poets as well as -Wales' most renowned poets.	0:13:43	0:13:47
-Tudur Dylan Jones, Mererid Hopwood.	0:13:47	0:13:50
-There's also an englyn here -written by local poet DT Lewis...	0:13:50	0:13:56
-..who's since passed away.	0:13:56	0:13:59
-"Wisden doesn't testify	0:13:59	0:14:02
-"To the memory -of the Pentrecwrt poet	0:14:02	0:14:04
-"But despite that, he in turn	0:14:04	0:14:06
-"Will once again reach -100 not out."	0:14:06	0:14:09
-Each milestone was celebrated.	0:14:09	0:14:13
-People held parties in his honour...	0:14:13	0:14:16
-..to celebrate -his 60th, 70th, 80th...	0:14:16	0:14:19
-..and 90th birthdays.	0:14:19	0:14:21
-Every year he'd say, -"I won't be with you next year."	0:14:22	0:14:26
-We had some fun with that comment.	0:14:29	0:14:31
-But he was serious.	0:14:31	0:14:33
-It bothered him. -He thought about death.	0:14:34	0:14:38
-There was always a black cloud -hovering above his head.	0:14:38	0:14:43
-He tended to be -one of life's pessimists.	0:14:44	0:14:48
-He thought too deeply about things.	0:14:48	0:14:51
-He thought about death -and the end of things.	0:14:51	0:14:54
-He dwelled on the negative -too often.	0:14:54	0:14:57
-He wasn't -an optimistic poet like Waldo.	0:14:57	0:15:00
-He regarded the grave -as the end of the journey.	0:15:00	0:15:04
-You wrote three englynion -after his death...	0:15:06	0:15:10
-..and Idris Reynolds says your -father would've been overjoyed...	0:15:10	0:15:15
-..with what you'd written.	0:15:15	0:15:17
-The first englyn is the best.	0:15:17	0:15:19
-"My father's in a better place now	0:15:19	0:15:22
-"Out of pain and perpetual grumbling	0:15:22	0:15:25
-"I'll never see his head again -above his small typewriter."	0:15:25	0:15:29
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-This is where -I went to primary school...	0:15:51	0:15:54
-..many years ago.	0:15:54	0:15:56
-It's altered.	0:15:57	0:15:58
-I started at two and a half because -my mother was a school cook...	0:15:59	0:16:02
-..so she had to bring me.	0:16:03	0:16:04
-I'd left by the time -T Llew started here as headmaster.	0:16:05	0:16:09
-But I came here...	0:16:11	0:16:14
-..a fortnight before going to -college to do teachers' training.	0:16:14	0:16:19
-Looking through this window...	0:16:19	0:16:22
-..I can see his chair, -where he would sit.	0:16:23	0:16:26
-Memories come flooding back, -I must admit.	0:16:28	0:16:31
-He could always transport you -to fantastical worlds.	0:16:32	0:16:37
-As a teacher too.	0:16:37	0:16:39
-I'm sure there are children -who could testify...	0:16:40	0:16:43
-..to his remarkable teaching skills.	0:16:44	0:16:46
-I wouldn't have passed -the eleven-plus...	0:16:48	0:16:51
-..at any other school.	0:16:52	0:16:54
-T Llew could teach a pig to fly.	0:16:54	0:16:56
-If he put his mind to it, -he could teach a pig to fly.	0:16:56	0:16:59
-There's no two ways about it.	0:17:00	0:17:02
-There's no two ways about it. - -My first memory of T Llew...	0:17:02	0:17:04
-..was when he became -the school's headmaster.	0:17:04	0:17:07
-Before that, the school -was full of women and no men.	0:17:08	0:17:11
-When Llew came, -I think it was his voice...	0:17:11	0:17:15
-..which scared me -and I refused to come to school.	0:17:15	0:17:18
-Llew was very upset about that, -so he came to the house...	0:17:19	0:17:23
-..to talk to me, he called me Dil.	0:17:23	0:17:25
-He said, "What's wrong, Dil? -Why won't you come to school?"	0:17:26	0:17:30
-He eventually won me over.	0:17:30	0:17:32
-I think it was a man's voice, -a powerful voice, that scared me.	0:17:32	0:17:38
-What a wimp!	0:17:39	0:17:41
-What's your memory of him, Pat?	0:17:43	0:17:45
-I think he changed -the atmosphere of the school.	0:17:45	0:17:49
-It was very relaxed -and it was a happy place to come.	0:17:50	0:17:53
-We felt we had more freedom, -especially at play time.	0:17:54	0:17:57
-We could go to the garden, in -and out of the trees, the field...	0:17:58	0:18:02
-..even on the wall.	0:18:02	0:18:04
-We had the freedom to build dens -or whatever we wanted to do.	0:18:04	0:18:09
-He encouraged us -to use our imagination.	0:18:09	0:18:12
-Neil, -you came here from Shropshire...	0:18:13	0:18:18
-..so you couldn't speak -a word of Welsh when you got here.	0:18:18	0:18:22
-Llew was clever...	0:18:23	0:18:25
-..because -he taught us Welsh we could use.	0:18:25	0:18:28
-It's all well and good teaching you -a fantastic language...	0:18:28	0:18:32
-..but if you can't use it, -what's the point?	0:18:33	0:18:36
-Virginia, -you came from Birmingham...	0:18:38	0:18:41
-..without a word of Welsh.	0:18:41	0:18:43
-Without a word of Welsh. I felt -like I'd landed on another planet.	0:18:43	0:18:47
-Everyone speaking -a different language.	0:18:48	0:18:51
-T Llew was very supportive.	0:18:51	0:18:53
-He recognised that it was -going to be difficult for me.	0:18:54	0:18:58
-He did his best to be so supportive -in helping me with the language...	0:18:58	0:19:03
-..to understand not only the culture -but to give me a tool...	0:19:03	0:19:07
-..to be a part of the community -and the village life.	0:19:07	0:19:11
-Without the language, you're lost. -You need that to be part of things.	0:19:11	0:19:15
-And he followed my school career -long after I'd left Coedybryn.	0:19:16	0:19:20
-And you have a letter here from him.	0:19:20	0:19:23
-I do. Yes. -It's 1963, so I would've been 14.	0:19:23	0:19:29
-And he'd spotted something I'd -written in the school magazine...	0:19:29	0:19:34
-..and wrote me a letter -to say how much he'd enjoyed it.	0:19:34	0:19:38
-I'll just read a little bit.	0:19:38	0:19:40
-"Dear Virginia, I've just been -reading your very lovely poem.	0:19:40	0:19:45
-"It gave me very great pleasure...	0:19:46	0:19:48
-"..not only because -it was the work of an old pupil...	0:19:48	0:19:51
-"..but also because it is -a really fine piece of poetry.	0:19:52	0:19:55
-"It gave me so much enjoyment -that I would like you to accept...	0:19:56	0:19:59
-"..this little book of verses -by RL Stevenson."	0:20:00	0:20:03
-You can't ask for more -from a teacher...	0:20:03	0:20:06
-..that they follow what you do -and acknowledge it like that.	0:20:07	0:20:11
-You liked writing poems yourself.	0:20:11	0:20:14
-I did, and presumably, that came -maybe out of him writing them...	0:20:15	0:20:19
-..and him encouraging me to do so.	0:20:19	0:20:22
-What about his books? -Trysor Plas Y Wernen was his first.	0:20:22	0:20:28
-I remember seeing the novels -on typewriting paper...	0:20:28	0:20:32
-..which resembled a script -more than a book.	0:20:32	0:20:36
-He'd read them to us -and we'd read them ourselves.	0:20:36	0:20:39
-I could write a chapter -and then try it out on the children.	0:20:42	0:20:47
-If it worked, it was alright.	0:20:47	0:20:50
-If it didn't, -it was back to the drawing board.	0:20:50	0:20:54
-With Y Merlyn Du...	0:20:57	0:21:00
-..we had the chance -to name the characters.	0:21:00	0:21:03
-They didn't look like books. -I didn't know what they were.	0:21:03	0:21:08
-It was just typing paper.	0:21:08	0:21:10
-Later on, of course, -they became books.	0:21:10	0:21:13
-We saw them -before they went to print.	0:21:13	0:21:16
-He made everything a story. -He was a storyteller.	0:21:18	0:21:22
-He had an enchanting voice.	0:21:22	0:21:24
-As a little girl, -I just listened to his voice...	0:21:24	0:21:29
-..because it was so special.	0:21:29	0:21:31
-Did you have to use the cane -at all as a teacher, Llew?	0:21:31	0:21:36
-No, hand on heart, I can honestly -say I never used the cane...	0:21:38	0:21:44
-..though I used other punishment.	0:21:44	0:21:48
-I used to give a little smack -now and again.	0:21:48	0:21:52
-He was a disciplinarian in class. -You knew how far to go.	0:21:52	0:21:57
-I was an awful giggler.	0:21:57	0:22:00
-We'd make shapes at each other -behind the desk...	0:22:00	0:22:03
-..then put it down -and be good girls.	0:22:03	0:22:06
-We knew that no meant no -and that was the end of it.	0:22:06	0:22:11
-There was no questioning.	0:22:11	0:22:13
-When I went to Ysgol Coedybryn...	0:22:13	0:22:16
-..I found six canes -in a small packet.	0:22:16	0:22:20
-You could order them in those days -from a company called EJ Arnold.	0:22:21	0:22:25
-They were listed in a catalogue -as punishment canes.	0:22:25	0:22:30
-But I never used them.	0:22:30	0:22:32
-I pulled one out one time -and placed it on the desk...	0:22:32	0:22:36
-..for a boy -who'd misbehaved more than usual...	0:22:36	0:22:40
-..but I didn't use it.	0:22:40	0:22:42
-What about the boys?	0:22:43	0:22:45
-Did he discipline them?	0:22:46	0:22:48
-There's one thing I remember.	0:22:48	0:22:50
-Us boys would get -a couple of slaps if we misbehaved.	0:22:50	0:22:55
-Where did he slap you?	0:22:55	0:22:57
-On the ear. He didn't mess about.	0:22:57	0:23:00
-But fair play to him...	0:23:00	0:23:03
-..it deterred you -from being naughty again.	0:23:03	0:23:07
-How many did he give you?	0:23:07	0:23:09
-I've lost count!	0:23:09	0:23:11
-What angered him, then?	0:23:14	0:23:16
-Pupils not trying their best.	0:23:16	0:23:20
-Someone making the same mistake -over and over again.	0:23:21	0:23:24
-He realised potential -in all children.	0:23:25	0:23:28
-He wanted them -to reach their full potential.	0:23:28	0:23:31
-Now I appreciate -the opportunities we were given.	0:23:32	0:23:36
-Would you -choose to be a teacher nowadays?	0:23:36	0:23:39
-Yes, I'd go back to that job...	0:23:39	0:23:41
-..in terms of teaching children -and being with them.	0:23:42	0:23:45
-That's the kind work I do best.	0:23:45	0:23:48
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-Ysgol Mynydd Bychan in Cardiff...	0:23:58	0:24:01
-..celebrates T Llew Jones Day.	0:24:02	0:24:05
-It's an occasion which happens every -year in schools throughout Wales.	0:24:05	0:24:10
-A day to honour the king - Wales' -king of children's literature.	0:24:10	0:24:15
-Children's reactions -are important to me.	0:24:15	0:24:18
-When I read them a story, -if I get their full attention...	0:24:18	0:24:22
-..I know the story's a success.	0:24:22	0:24:25
-When they look at you with wide -eyes, you know you've won them over.	0:24:26	0:24:31
-"They heard -the cottage door opening...	0:24:31	0:24:35
-"..and in the lamplight, they saw -a thin man coming into view.	0:24:35	0:24:39
-"He was barefoot -and dressed in his nightshirt.	0:24:39	0:24:42
-"He was holding a lantern."	0:24:43	0:24:45
-They live in a world of rainbows.	0:24:47	0:24:49
-There's adventure, something to do.	0:24:49	0:24:52
-There's an enemy to conquer, -pirates to punish...	0:24:52	0:24:57
-..and there's galloping -into the distance on horseback.	0:24:57	0:25:01
-He liked inhabiting that world.	0:25:01	0:25:04
-T Llew Jones' work -hasn't dated at all then?	0:25:04	0:25:07
-Definitely not. It still delights -and sparks children's imagination.	0:25:07	0:25:13
-It's possible to use the work...	0:25:15	0:25:18
-..in a contemporary way.	0:25:18	0:25:20
-Year 6 have been -creating ebooks on the iPads...	0:25:20	0:25:23
-..and factual books -about T Llew Jones.	0:25:24	0:25:27
-The older children are reading about -the smugglers in Dirgelwch Yr Ogof.	0:25:30	0:25:35
-The big question is, -who's Sion Cwilt?	0:25:36	0:25:39
-How many of you know?	0:25:39	0:25:41
-Is it a good novel?	0:25:41	0:25:43
-Is it a good novel? - -Yes.	0:25:43	0:25:44
-Have you enjoyed it? What -did you think at the beginning?	0:25:44	0:25:48
-When I got to chapter five...	0:25:49	0:25:51
-..Sion Cwilt -started to come in to the story.	0:25:51	0:25:55
-Everybody wants to know -about Sion Cwilt.	0:25:55	0:25:58
-I was staying up until midnight -to read the story.	0:25:58	0:26:02
-It started to get exciting by the -time you reached chapter five.	0:26:03	0:26:07
-I've finished the book now.	0:26:07	0:26:10
-Ohh! So you know who Sion Cwilt is?	0:26:10	0:26:14
-Yes.	0:26:14	0:26:16
-How difficult -is teaching T Llew Jones' work...	0:26:17	0:26:22
-..to children from -non-Welsh-speaking backgrounds?	0:26:22	0:26:28
-It can be quite a challenge.	0:26:28	0:26:31
-As they read more of the book, -they've developed strategies...	0:26:31	0:26:35
-..whereby if they -don't understand a word...	0:26:36	0:26:39
-..they can understand its meaning -in the context of the sentence.	0:26:39	0:26:45
-I think it's very exciting...	0:26:45	0:26:47
-..but some of the words -are difficult.	0:26:48	0:26:51
-You must be learning new words.	0:26:51	0:26:55
-Each time I read it, -I remember the words...	0:26:55	0:26:58
-..because they come up often.	0:26:58	0:27:01
-When they write, they use -the vocabulary in their work.	0:27:01	0:27:05
-Words like 'llarpiodd'...	0:27:06	0:27:08
-..after reading Stori O India.	0:27:08	0:27:11
-Children use them naturally.	0:27:11	0:27:13
-Llarpiodd (devoured), -rhwygodd (tore), anelodd (aimed).	0:27:13	0:27:18
-They use those words.	0:27:19	0:27:21
-They use those words. - -My Caravan.	0:27:21	0:27:23
-They often refer to him as -the king of children's literature.	0:27:24	0:27:29
-"If I had a horse and caravan	0:27:30	0:27:35
-"I'd travel to countless places	0:27:35	0:27:39
-"This way and that way	0:27:40	0:27:43
-"Up and down	0:27:43	0:27:46
-"On small roads and main roads."	0:27:46	0:27:51
-Tan Ar Y Comin -is one of his most famous novels...	0:27:51	0:27:54
-..a story about gypsies, who were -part of T Llew Jones' upbringing.	0:27:54	0:27:59
-The story -revolves around Tim Boswell...	0:27:59	0:28:02
-..who's searching for his father...	0:28:03	0:28:06
-..and eventually finds the answer -to the question, "Who am I?"	0:28:06	0:28:11
-"I'd journey over mountain and heath	0:28:13	0:28:19
-"In my caravan until nightfall."	0:28:19	0:28:23
-The novel was turned into a film...	0:28:25	0:28:28
-..and sold all over the world.	0:28:29	0:28:31
-The film's producer was Carol Byrne -Jones, who got to know T Llew well.	0:28:31	0:28:36
-The central question in many -of T Llew's books is, who am I?	0:28:36	0:28:41
-This issue comes to the fore -in Tan Ar Y Comin...	0:28:41	0:28:46
-..by Tim physically searching -for his father...	0:28:46	0:28:49
-..and putting pressure on Alf -to tell him who his father is.	0:28:50	0:28:54
-Tell me who my father is.	0:28:55	0:28:57
-I have to know something about him.	0:28:57	0:29:00
-You don't need to know about him -or his sort.	0:29:00	0:29:04
-I couldn't think of -filming it anywhere but here...	0:29:09	0:29:12
-..in Llew's country.	0:29:13	0:29:15
-We went to Pentrecwrt -and he showed me the site...	0:29:15	0:29:19
-..where the gypsies would've lived.	0:29:19	0:29:22
-He told me his mother was angry.	0:29:22	0:29:25
-She knew when he'd been playing with -the gypsies because he'd scratch.	0:29:25	0:29:30
-He looked like a wizard...	0:29:30	0:29:32
-..with that white hair -and blue eyes.	0:29:33	0:29:36
-He'd lean forward and do that.	0:29:36	0:29:40
-He was fantastic.	0:29:40	0:29:42
-I don't know how he did it -but he enchanted people.	0:29:44	0:29:49
-He was a storyteller.	0:29:49	0:29:51
-That's precisely what he was.	0:29:52	0:29:56
-When you write, -I believe it comes from two places.	0:29:57	0:30:01
-It can come from here and here.	0:30:01	0:30:04
-It's best when it comes from here.	0:30:04	0:30:06
-FANFARE	0:30:07	0:30:09
-Yes, he was -a formidable storyteller...	0:30:10	0:30:13
-..but he was also a talented poet.	0:30:14	0:30:16
-He was Chief Poet twice.	0:30:16	0:30:18
-The Ebbw Vale National Eisteddfod.	0:30:19	0:30:22
-By 1958...	0:30:22	0:30:24
-..I felt ready -to enter the National Eisteddfod.	0:30:25	0:30:28
-I went for it and won...	0:30:29	0:30:31
-..on the subject Caerllion-ar-Wysg.	0:30:31	0:30:34
-I'm sure when his name is announced -that he'll be familiar to you all.	0:30:34	0:30:39
-Caerllion-ar-Wysg -is a political ode...	0:30:39	0:30:42
-..where a grandfather -in Roman times...	0:30:43	0:30:45
-..frets over the future -of his language and culture...	0:30:46	0:30:49
-..in the face of the Roman Empire.	0:30:49	0:30:51
-It rung true -with the Wales of the 1950s...	0:30:52	0:30:54
-..and is still relevant to us today.	0:30:55	0:30:57
-Shout above responding shout, -is there peace?	0:30:57	0:31:02
-Peace!	0:31:03	0:31:04
-Heart to heart...	0:31:05	0:31:07
-..is there peace?	0:31:07	0:31:10
-Peace!	0:31:10	0:31:11
-Following his upbringing -in Pentrecwrt near Llandysul...	0:31:12	0:31:16
-..he moved to an area -with a rich bardic tradition.	0:31:16	0:31:20
-To hone his talent as a poet...	0:31:20	0:31:22
-..he frequented a convenient -and unique meeting place.	0:31:22	0:31:26
-I socialized with Bois y Cilie, -Dic Jones and the others.	0:31:26	0:31:31
-I was part of that gang...	0:31:31	0:31:33
-..who met at the Pentre Arms -on a Saturday night...	0:31:34	0:31:37
-..to discuss poetry.	0:31:38	0:31:40
-It was a happy time in my life.	0:31:40	0:31:42
-They were the secret society.	0:31:42	0:31:45
-Alun, Jac Alun, Dic.	0:31:45	0:31:48
-Not everyone -was allowed into the room.	0:31:49	0:31:52
-That's where the discussing, the -storytelling and composing went on.	0:31:52	0:31:57
-They'd make up unsavoury poems -that they'd never recite publicly.	0:31:57	0:32:02
-I remember leaving Coedybryn -and staying with Mam-gu.	0:32:02	0:32:08
-Iolo, myself and Mam -would be left at Mam-gu's house...	0:32:08	0:32:12
-..while my father -went to the Pentre Arms.	0:32:13	0:32:16
-I imagine it was quite late...	0:32:16	0:32:18
-..when the chauffeur -came to pick us up on our way home.	0:32:18	0:32:22
-We're in the Pentre Arms.	0:32:28	0:32:30
-This is where they'd meet in -the back room, as they called it.	0:32:31	0:32:35
-Yes, it was something like that.	0:32:35	0:32:38
-I'd have loved -to have been a fly on the wall.	0:32:38	0:32:41
-They honed their skills. They could -compose cynghanedd in their sleep!	0:32:41	0:32:46
-I got to know him as an old man.	0:32:46	0:32:48
-Maybe the last 12 years of his life.	0:32:49	0:32:52
-I remember meeting him.	0:32:52	0:32:54
-We joked that Tudur Dylan -would introduce me...	0:32:54	0:32:58
-..to my bardic great-grandfather...	0:32:58	0:33:01
-..because T Llew had taught -John Gwilym to compose Cynghanedd.	0:33:01	0:33:05
-John Gwilym taught Dylan, -Dylan taught me.	0:33:05	0:33:08
-I received a warm welcome from him.	0:33:08	0:33:10
-His eyes were gleaming.	0:33:11	0:33:13
-Everything about him -drew you to him like a magnet.	0:33:13	0:33:16
-I remember sitting there, -wanting to pinch myself...	0:33:17	0:33:20
-..that I was -now able to touch this man.	0:33:21	0:33:23
-I went to visit him once -with my son Llew...	0:33:23	0:33:27
-..who was four or five years old -at the time.	0:33:27	0:33:31
-Llewelyn -was wearing a Barti Ddu hoodie.	0:33:31	0:33:36
-T Llew was impressed by the hoodie.	0:33:36	0:33:38
-I decided it was time to go.	0:33:39	0:33:41
-I didn't want to keep an old man -longer than I needed to.	0:33:41	0:33:45
-We went outside to the car and -Llew said, "We have to go back."	0:33:45	0:33:49
-I said, "No, we're not going back."	0:33:49	0:33:52
-"We have to -because we don't know his size."	0:33:52	0:33:55
-Llew wanted to buy a hoodie -for T Llew.	0:33:55	0:33:59
-I thought there was something -almost proverbial about that.	0:33:59	0:34:03
-What size is T Llew?	0:34:04	0:34:06
-Out of the mouths of babes!	0:34:06	0:34:08
-We had to buy him the top -and sent it to him by post.	0:34:09	0:34:13
-T Llew wasn't far off -90 years old at the time...	0:34:13	0:34:17
-..and he sent Llew a note -to thank him for the present.	0:34:17	0:34:21
-What a treasure!	0:34:22	0:34:23
-"I was given a present by Llewelyn	0:34:24	0:34:26
-"A good old Barti Ddu top	0:34:26	0:34:29
-"It was the best present	0:34:29	0:34:31
-"I'd ever received	0:34:31	0:34:33
-"When the winter comes, -I'll certainly wear it	0:34:33	0:34:36
-"If there's snow and ice, -I'll be warm and cosy	0:34:37	0:34:41
-"Warm until winter -and the bitter chill is over	0:34:41	0:34:46
-"For this, Llew is grateful	0:34:46	0:34:49
-"To the Llew from Lluest Wen."	0:34:49	0:34:52
-What you see in T Llew's work...	0:34:55	0:34:57
-..is the longing, the fear...	0:34:57	0:35:00
-..the hope for a better world.	0:35:00	0:35:02
-Those are -the recurring themes in his work.	0:35:03	0:35:06
-We see them -in his children's literature.	0:35:06	0:35:08
-"The wind is howling -at the door of Hafod Wen	0:35:09	0:35:12
-"And I'm in bed -with bedclothes over my head."	0:35:12	0:35:15
-There's fear there, though -he's not afraid of the night...	0:35:15	0:35:19
-..he's afraid of the night's fears.	0:35:20	0:35:22
-I had to go out at night sometimes.	0:35:25	0:35:27
-I remember going to -the Band of Hope.	0:35:28	0:35:30
-I had to brave -the darkness to get there.	0:35:30	0:35:34
-I prayed -the moon would light my way.	0:35:34	0:35:36
-The moon was bright -by the time I walked home...	0:35:37	0:35:39
-..but that was worse -because I'd see shadows then, Beti.	0:35:40	0:35:44
-As for his poetry, -he's won two bardic chairs...	0:35:44	0:35:47
-..for his wonderful odes.	0:35:47	0:35:50
-On one hand -they differ from one another...	0:35:51	0:35:54
-..but after studying them, it's -the same thing which drives them.	0:35:54	0:35:58
-In both odes, the poet -is looking at a better place...	0:35:59	0:36:02
-..that's just within our reach.	0:36:02	0:36:05
-There's a better place in -the distance but we never reach it.	0:36:05	0:36:09
-Caethiwed -is one of my favourite poems.	0:36:09	0:36:13
-"Sometimes my heart -is like a fledgling	0:36:13	0:36:15
-"Who came in -through the back kitchen door	0:36:16	0:36:19
-"In his mad frenzy, he can't -find his way back to the forest	0:36:19	0:36:24
-"The noisy flapping -of his wings can be heard.	0:36:24	0:36:27
-"When he feels -the walls are closing in on him	0:36:27	0:36:31
-"He bangs on -the cell's windows in earnest	0:36:31	0:36:33
-"As he tries to free himself	0:36:34	0:36:36
-"Through the window -he sees beyond the garden	0:36:36	0:36:40
-"The welcoming branches -of the oak and the pine	0:36:40	0:36:43
-"He hurls himself towards their arms	0:36:43	0:36:46
-"And falls on an invisible border."	0:36:46	0:36:50
-We're all slaves to our -circumstances and life experiences.	0:36:50	0:36:55
-That's the tragedy of it all. -The heart is never free.	0:36:55	0:37:00
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-We're getting used -to this journey, Iolo.	0:37:20	0:37:22
-Yes, we visit Eira regularly -nowadays.	0:37:23	0:37:26
-I'm so pleased.	0:37:28	0:37:29
-It's odd that we get on so well.	0:37:37	0:37:39
-Yes, it is odd.	0:37:39	0:37:41
-Hello, Beti. How are you?	0:37:48	0:37:50
-It's nice to see you.	0:37:50	0:37:52
-You too.	0:37:53	0:37:55
-You never know how things will -turn out but it's worked out well.	0:37:55	0:37:59
-It's strange, isn't it?	0:37:59	0:38:01
-What is it?	0:38:02	0:38:04
-Lemon drizzle cake.	0:38:06	0:38:08
-Fantastic.	0:38:08	0:38:10
-Eira will have gone to -a lot of trouble.	0:38:10	0:38:13
-There'll be -a wonderful spread on the table.	0:38:13	0:38:16
-Gwyndaf's very amiable, fair play.	0:38:17	0:38:20
-That's fantastic.	0:38:20	0:38:22
-It's wonderful.	0:38:22	0:38:24
-That's one I made earlier!	0:38:24	0:38:26
-How has Gwyndaf -come to terms with it?	0:38:29	0:38:33
-He's overjoyed. -They think the world of him too.	0:38:33	0:38:38
-The red wine will be out.	0:38:38	0:38:40
-Gwyndaf will definitely have -the red wine out.	0:38:40	0:38:43
-Between Gwyndaf's wine and Eira's -cakes, we're in for a treat.	0:38:44	0:38:47
-You must've wanted Eira -to contact them?	0:38:48	0:38:51
-Yes, because it's made a difference -to our lives.	0:38:51	0:38:56
-We're very pleased.	0:38:56	0:38:58
-As Gwyndaf says, -it's given us a new lease of life.	0:38:58	0:39:02
-It all came about this year.	0:39:02	0:39:04
-I'd wanted to contact them -many years ago...	0:39:05	0:39:08
-..but the time -wasn't right back then.	0:39:08	0:39:11
-I decided it was the right time -this year, before I got too old.	0:39:11	0:39:15
-Here we are.	0:39:17	0:39:18
-Here we are. - -We're in Swiss Valley now.	0:39:18	0:39:20
-Rugby territory.	0:39:21	0:39:23
-The land of the saucepan.	0:39:23	0:39:25
-I wrote Emyr a letter.	0:39:25	0:39:27
-I didn't hear from him -for three weeks.	0:39:29	0:39:32
-I thought, what do I do now?	0:39:32	0:39:35
-A Spanish lady wrote to me -saying that she was related to me.	0:39:35	0:39:40
-Everyone seemed to be -tracing their family tree.	0:39:40	0:39:43
-It must have been -at the bottom of a pile of papers.	0:39:43	0:39:47
-Iris said to me one day, -"You have to sort out those papers."	0:39:47	0:39:51
-So I phoned her...	0:39:51	0:39:52
-So I phoned her... - -I was in the shower...	0:39:52	0:39:54
-..Gwyndaf was in the garden, -so he left a message.	0:39:55	0:39:58
-I phoned him back -and we had a chat...	0:39:58	0:40:02
-..because I hadn't told him -in the letter how we were related...	0:40:03	0:40:07
-..in case he had a fright.	0:40:07	0:40:10
-We chatted about -our static caravan in Cardigan.	0:40:10	0:40:14
-He said, "We'll come to Cardigan, -it's not far from Ffostrasol...	0:40:14	0:40:19
-"..to meet you over the summer."	0:40:19	0:40:22
-I said, "I'm not waiting that long."	0:40:22	0:40:24
-I said to him, "I don't think -you know who I am." He said, "No."	0:40:25	0:40:29
-I said to her very cheerfully...	0:40:30	0:40:32
-.."Now then, tell me how you're -related to me, and she said..."	0:40:32	0:40:37
-I'm your sister.	0:40:37	0:40:39
-It went very silent -on the other end of the phone.	0:40:43	0:40:47
-I can imagine.	0:40:47	0:40:49
-I can imagine. - -He said, "We have to meet today."	0:40:49	0:40:51
-We met at Pont Abraham.	0:40:51	0:40:53
-And that's what we did.	0:40:53	0:40:55
-I went there an hour beforehand -to wait for her.	0:40:56	0:40:59
-When she walked through the door, -I knew immediately who she was.	0:40:59	0:41:03
-How are you, Eira? -We're here at last.	0:41:04	0:41:06
-Come here.	0:41:06	0:41:08
-You usually give me a cwtsh.	0:41:09	0:41:12
-Hello, Iolo. Are you alright?	0:41:14	0:41:16
-Nice to see you again.	0:41:16	0:41:18
-I said on the way here that I bet -there'll be cakes on the table.	0:41:18	0:41:22
-Yes, there are cakes on the table.	0:41:23	0:41:25
-Something special -has happened to Iolo and myself.	0:41:25	0:41:30
-Eira's a special person -and we've been very lucky...	0:41:31	0:41:34
-..that she made contact with us.	0:41:35	0:41:37
-I'm so pleased.	0:41:37	0:41:38
-I'm so pleased. - -Thank you very much.	0:41:38	0:41:40
-I'm glad there's someone -in the family who can sing...	0:41:40	0:41:44
-..because no-one else can.	0:41:44	0:41:48
-T Llew -is the common denominator here.	0:41:51	0:41:56
-Yes, we talk about him a lot.	0:41:56	0:41:59
-It's nice to hear about him...	0:41:59	0:42:01
-..because I didn't know him -when I was young.	0:42:01	0:42:04
-I'd see him on television regularly.	0:42:05	0:42:07
-Mam bought his books too.	0:42:07	0:42:09
-What do you call him?	0:42:09	0:42:11
-Our father.	0:42:12	0:42:14
-I used to say, -"My father did this or that"...	0:42:14	0:42:18
-..but he's now become "our father."	0:42:18	0:42:21
-To begin with, Eira, tell me about -your mother. Where was she from?	0:42:24	0:42:29
-Cardigan. She was born -in Cilgerran, just outside Cardigan.	0:42:29	0:42:34
-What happened to your mother -happened during the early 1940s.	0:42:35	0:42:40
-Having an illegitimate child, -a child out of wedlock...	0:42:41	0:42:46
-..was frowned upon.	0:42:46	0:42:48
-Precisely.	0:42:49	0:42:51
-It was very difficult for her.	0:42:51	0:42:55
-She had to leave home...	0:42:55	0:42:59
-..because Mam-gu wasn't willing -for her to stay at home.	0:42:59	0:43:03
-That's what it was like years ago.	0:43:03	0:43:06
-She had to go to Cardiff...	0:43:07	0:43:09
-..to the Salvation Army's hospital.	0:43:09	0:43:13
-She gave birth to me and found work -in a large house in Llandaff...	0:43:14	0:43:19
-..on Palace Road.	0:43:20	0:43:22
-What's written -on your birth certificate?	0:43:22	0:43:26
-My father's name -is written on there...	0:43:26	0:43:29
-..but five years after I was born...	0:43:29	0:43:31
-..because he was in Egypt -for five years, then he came back...	0:43:31	0:43:35
-..and somehow or other...	0:43:36	0:43:39
-..I think my uncles, -my mother's brothers...	0:43:39	0:43:44
-..were adamant his name -should be on the birth certificate.	0:43:44	0:43:48
-They contacted him...	0:43:48	0:43:51
-..and he agreed to do that.	0:43:51	0:43:54
-So his name is on it -and I'm pleased about that.	0:43:54	0:43:58
-I knew from the start -that he was famous.	0:44:02	0:44:05
-Mam told me -that he'd written books...	0:44:05	0:44:08
-..when I was old enough -to understand.	0:44:09	0:44:12
-Did you ever meet him?	0:44:15	0:44:17
-Yes. He came to Cardigan -primary school to meet the pupils.	0:44:17	0:44:23
-That's what he used to do back then.	0:44:24	0:44:26
-I used to say, "He's my father."	0:44:26	0:44:30
-He never tried to hide the fact.	0:44:31	0:44:33
-I didn't talk to him that time...	0:44:33	0:44:37
-..but I spoke to him at the Cardigan -Eisteddfod, where he'd taken part.	0:44:37	0:44:43
-Mam wanted me to meet him.	0:44:43	0:44:46
-She said, "Let's go backstage."	0:44:46	0:44:49
-I thought, what's going on here?	0:44:49	0:44:51
-She said, "This is your father."	0:44:53	0:44:56
-She said to T Llew, "This is Eira."	0:44:56	0:45:00
-He said, "Hello, Eira, -I'm pleased to meet you."	0:45:00	0:45:04
-That's all he said?	0:45:04	0:45:06
-Yes, that was it. -But that's how it was back then.	0:45:07	0:45:10
-It's a tragedy that he didn't -acknowledge the relationship...	0:45:14	0:45:17
-..during his lifetime.	0:45:17	0:45:19
-It would've been beneficial -for Eira, for us...	0:45:20	0:45:23
-..for him and for Mam, if he'd -acknowledged the relationship.	0:45:23	0:45:27
-Pity he didn't find the strength -to face up to it...	0:45:28	0:45:32
-..and bring it into the open.	0:45:32	0:45:34
-They belonged to a different era...	0:45:36	0:45:39
-..when there was a stigma -attached to things like this.	0:45:39	0:45:42
-I hope we now live in an age where -people acknowledge each other...	0:45:42	0:45:47
-..regardless of the circumstances.	0:45:47	0:45:50
-Some people would've known.	0:45:50	0:45:53
-People who you knew.	0:45:53	0:45:55
-My cousin, Jon Meirion, knew.	0:45:55	0:45:59
-Idris Reynolds, -my father's biographer, knew.	0:46:00	0:46:05
-Later, when I phoned people -and asked them if they knew...	0:46:06	0:46:09
-..they said they did.	0:46:10	0:46:12
-Some people knew -but neither of us had any idea.	0:46:12	0:46:16
-We're so pleased -that we've found each other.	0:46:17	0:46:20
-I try to put myself -in Eira's shoes...	0:46:21	0:46:24
-..and probably -there wasn't a day that went by...	0:46:25	0:46:28
-..when she didn't think -about her father and about us.	0:46:28	0:46:32
-I did. Every now and then...	0:46:33	0:46:36
-There's a lot of sadness about that -but we're making up for it.	0:46:37	0:46:41
-Yes, that's what it is, -it's a mixture of happiness...	0:46:42	0:46:45
-..and sadness.	0:46:46	0:46:48
-But we've put it behind us.	0:46:48	0:46:51
-We're starting afresh.	0:46:51	0:46:54
-I'm so glad she's finally -being acknowledged for who she is.	0:46:54	0:46:58
-Our sister.	0:46:58	0:47:01
-That means a lot to us.	0:47:01	0:47:03
-A master, a craftsman...	0:47:12	0:47:15
-..a man who understood the hearts -of children and adults alike.	0:47:15	0:47:20
-That was his speciality.	0:47:20	0:47:22
-It was that talent -which made him the genius he was.	0:47:22	0:47:25
-He touched people's hearts -and dealt with affairs of the heart.	0:47:26	0:47:30
-Oh, yes, I have -one more story to tell before I end.	0:47:31	0:47:35
-I had a schoolmaster years ago -called Dewi Evans.	0:47:35	0:47:38
-He had a young son called Robert.	0:47:38	0:47:42
-Dewi said to me, "My son Robert -enjoys reading your books.	0:47:42	0:47:48
-"Can I bring him with me -to meet you?"	0:47:48	0:47:52
-I said, "Yes, bring him along."	0:47:52	0:47:54
-The young child sat on the sofa...	0:47:54	0:47:57
-..while Dewi and I -were discussing education.	0:47:57	0:48:00
-Dewi said, -"Say something to T Llew Jones."	0:48:00	0:48:04
-He said, "That's who he is!"	0:48:04	0:48:06
-CHILDREN LAUGH	0:48:06	0:48:08
-That's who I am. -Thank you very much.	0:48:08	0:48:12
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