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-Richard III, the King of England,

-was killed in August 1485.

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-Henry Tudor became

-King in his place.

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-Did a Welshman kill the old King?

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-As an archaeologist and historian...

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-..I have a big interest

-in this Welshman's story...

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-..which had been

-forgotten by history until now.

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-Bosworth, in the English Midlands.

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-On 22 August 1485...

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-..one of Britain's most famous

-battles happened here.

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-It was a battle that would change

-the course of history.

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-If it wasn't for this battle,

-Elizabeth Windsor wouldn't be Queen.

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-It's a battle that changed

-thousands of lives.

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-Three specifically,

-Richard III, the King who died...

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-..Henry Tudor,

-the man who deposed him as King...

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-..and a Welsh speaker from

-the Llandeilo area, Rhys ap Thomas.

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-We'll look at the evidence

-that suggests Rhys ap Thomas...

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-..was responsible

-for Richard III's death.

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-Rhys lived to be an old man.

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-At the end of his life, as though

-he repented for some things...

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-..he went to the Greyfriars

-in Carmarthen to die.

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-Like many great powers

-before and after him...

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-..there may have been

-some things on his mind.

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-"I love the dubbed knight

-of Carmarthen

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-"The hawk of the fortress

-of gold and wine is loved by all

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-"I have loved Sir Rhys

-and why would I not love him?

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-"He is the love

-of all the land of the South

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-"I never saw a better man

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-"Nor his equal in his castle"

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-The bard Guto'r Glyn's words to me

-were very generous.

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-Are the words of bards empty?

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-Is the truth to be found

-between the lines?

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-I've lived

-for three quarters of a century.

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-I now face the same hell

-I created for many.

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-It's easy to be intoxicated

-by power and status.

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-Or by tasting

-blood and fear in battle.

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-In here, in this little head...

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-..I feel the sting of sobriety

-and its truth.

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-It's like a spear on flesh.

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-Let's head back to Bosworth.

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-By 1485, Richard III had been King

-for almost two years.

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-He was 32 years old.

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-The Battle of Bosworth brought

-an end to a century of fighting...

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-..between the House of York

-with its white rose...

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-..and the House of Lancaster

-with its red rose.

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-It's hard for us to imagine

-this kind of fighting...

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-..amongst family these days.

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-Power, status and money were

-integral parts of being king.

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-Every noble family

-wanted a share of that.

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-The question was raised,

-who has the right for the crown?

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-This was during

-the Wars of the Roses...

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-..where there was a struggle

-for the English crown.

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-A lot of families found it hard

-to choose which side to support.

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-If someone were

-to make the wrong choice...

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-..they could pay a terrible price.

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-It's important to remember

-that Owain Glyndwr's revolt...

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-..had a huge effect on England's

-relationship with Wales.

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-The revolt ended in 1415.

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-But its memory was very much alive.

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-The Welsh suffered under strict laws

-because of the revolt.

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-They were unhappy

-with the situation.

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-The failure of that revolt was key.

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-Many families, the nobility

-amongst them, and commoners...

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-Both the nobility and commoners

-took part in the revolt.

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-They'd come together to fight

-for principles and ideals.

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-They wanted to promote one of

-their own to Prince of Wales.

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-They wanted a Wales which was

-politically independent of England.

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-For a member of the Welsh nobility

-to progress in the world...

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-..he would,

-to all intents and purposes...

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-..have to prove he was English.

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-One family who wanted a taste of

-power and freedom in South Wales...

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-..despite not being

-from noble descent...

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-..was the family of Rhys ap Thomas.

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-I'm at Dinefwr Castle placed

-on a rock above the Tywi river.

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-The family home

-of Sir Rhys ap Thomas.

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-In terms of importance

-in Welsh history...

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-..this is one of the courts

-of Lord Rhys, Rhys ap Gruffydd.

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-He is famous for organizing

-the first Eisteddfod in 1176.

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-Two centuries later,

-the descendants of Lord Rhys...

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-..were not so prominent

-in Welsh history.

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-One man from this area

-was eager to get on in the world.

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-That man was Gruffydd ap Nicholas,

-Rhys ap Thomas' grandfather.

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-Gruffydd married a girl

-from Lord Rhys' line in Dinefwr.

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-He was a bit of a chancer.

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-He was a bit of

-a Del Boy of his time.

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-He became quite wealthy...

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-..due to a lot of

-spurious activities he carried on...

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-..around Carmarthenshire.

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-There were opportunities.

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-If a member of the Welsh nobility

-saw one and went for it...

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-..they could collect duties

-and become influential over time.

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-They could buy land

-and marry into land too.

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-Gruffydd ap Nicholas

-was incredibly effective at that.

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-Gruffydd went on to win favours

-and rights on lands in Carmarthen...

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-..Cardigan, Aberystwyth, Dinefwr,

-Carreg Cennen.

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-He was very loyal to the King.

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-While his patrons were in power,

-he did well.

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-We learn about Gruffydd ap Nicholas

-and his family...

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-..from the work of poets.

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-For the most part,

-the nobles at the time...

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-..were praised by bards

-for being soldiers.

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-In Gruffydd ap Nicholas' case, it's

-obvious he was a gifted soldier.

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-It isn't a stereotype in his case.

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-What's important to remember

-about this period...

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-..is the importance of bards.

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-They were a propaganda machine.

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-It's not surprising

-Gruffydd ap Nicholas...

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-..held a large Eisteddfod

-in the centre of Carmarthen...

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-..during the 15th century.

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-Dafydd ab Edmwnd was responsible.

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-They managed to discuss

-and agree on rules...

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-..for cynghanedd

-and strict metre poetry.

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-Those rules are almost

-unchanged since then.

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-However, it was a period

-of fighting.

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-A very uncertain period.

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-According to some, Gruffydd ap

-Nicholas was killed in 1461...

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-..at the Battle of Mortimer's Cross

-near Hereford.

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-This was a battle between Yorkists

-and Lancastrians.

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-Gruffydd supported Owen Tudor...

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-..and his son Jasper Tudor

-on the Lancastrian side.

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-They lost. Gruffydd died

-and Owen Tudor was executed.

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-Jasper Tudor escaped.

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-A year later, the Yorkists

-attacked Carreg Cennen Castle.

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-Rhys' family were responsible

-for rebuilding the castle.

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-Rhys and his father Thomas

-had to surrender and flee Wales...

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-..to the court of Philip the Good,

-the Duke of Burgundy.

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-My conscience is troubling me

-but my memories are mixed.

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-Some of them joyful.

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-Philip's court in Burgundy.

-What a place.

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-It was full of culture and arts.

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-The emphasis was learning

-to behave nobly.

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-Learning about European culture...

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-..and also the continent's methods

-of fighting.

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-I was so young,

-yet so eager to learn.

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-And learn I did.

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-Philip had a system of training

-that came from the idea...

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-..of the Knights

-of the Golden Fleece.

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-It was similar to the idea...

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-..of the Knights of the Round Table

-with King Arthur.

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-The history of King Arthur

-fills me with awe.

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-The bards see me in that tradition.

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-The court of Philip was one of

-the most renowned courts in Europe.

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-It was the best court in Europe.

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-It knocked everything

-into a cocked hat, everything else.

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-It was based on the knightly virtues

-of chivalry and honour.

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-There were lots of jousts.

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-Young men were trained

-in the art of warfare...

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-..but also Philip

-was a very well-educated man.

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-He had lots of scholars

-at his court, lots of poets.

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-It was really

-quite a staggering place to be.

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-I think for a young man like Rhys,

-who was 14 at the time...

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-..it must have been overwhelming

-to the senses.

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-Rhys and his father

-returned to Wales.

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-Rhys was now an ambitious young man.

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-He was wed to Efa, the daughter

-and heir to Cwrt Henri, Llangathen.

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-His main court

-was his mother's home...

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-..that was Abermarlais, a few miles

-to the north east of Dinefwr.

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-The majority of the Tywi valley

-came under his control.

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-Following the death of his

-two brothers and father...

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-..Rhys was the sole heir to his

-family's wealth and lands.

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-Rhys ap Thomas' father, Thomas ap

-Gruffydd, was killed in battle.

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-He was killed by the Herbert family

-near Machynlleth.

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-That family was Yorkist.

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-This was a part of the feud between

-the Yorkists and Lancastrians.

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-It's no wonder Rhys supported

-the Lancasters eventually.

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-The bards, big and small,

-were witness to this.

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-They referred to him

-as a generous patron.

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-It is clear that he

-was a powerful nobleman.

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-He was a huge patron of the bards.

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-Not only a lot of lesser bards but

-the biggest bards of the time too.

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-People like Guto'r Glyn.

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-We have the evidence

-of Polydore Vergil...

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-..who wrote during

-Henry VII's reign.

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-He says that Rhys ap Thomas

-had two main traits.

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-The first was his willpower.

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-The second was his skill

-as a military leader.

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-The situation between

-the Houses of York and Lancaster...

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-..continued to be difficult.

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-When Henry Tudor was born

-in 1457 in Pembroke Castle...

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-..it was argued that

-he was the true heir of the crown...

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-..and the only Lancastrian claimant.

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-Just like a game of chess, families

-sided with one house or the other.

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-They also switched sides in order

-not to lose favour, land and power.

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-I learned early that you won't

-always win through rebellion.

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-Playing games, conspiring

-and buying time bring rewards.

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-Don't mention values and principles.

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-Rare are the material rewards

-gained from those.

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-But now, with the end nearing...

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-..values and principles

-are more important.

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-Certainly, they're a balm

-for the troubled conscience.

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-In 1483,

-following the death of Edward IV...

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-..his sons, Edward V and Richard,

-were 12 and 9 years old.

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-Their uncle, Richard of York,

-was in control.

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-But, the young princes disappeared.

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-Richard was crowned

-as Richard III in their place.

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-Some people, the Yorkists,

-were very happy with this.

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-Others, the Lancastrians,

-were furious.

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-All commoners hoped for peace.

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-By now, Rhys ap Thomas was outwardly

-supportive of Richard III.

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-According to some, he'd made an

-oath that only over his body...

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-..could anyone come through Wales

-to attack the King.

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-There was, of course, a problem...

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-..when Richard III, Edward IV's

-brother, ascended the throne.

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-The allegations are

-that he'd killed Edward IV's sons...

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-..to gain authority.

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-That certainly caused problems

-in terms of loyalty.

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-Even during this bloody period

-of the War of the Roses...

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-..killing innocent children

-was considered unforgivable.

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-But there was one other matter that

-enraged Rhys ap Thomas at the time.

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-This was Richard III's request...

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-..to keep Rhys' son Gruffydd

-hostage in the royal court...

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-..to ensure Rhys ap Thomas' support.

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-Some suggest

-that Richard's request...

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-..to hold Rhys ap Thomas' son

-hostage...

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-..was secondary to the offer

-that Rhys ap Thomas...

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-..would be his right-hand man

-in South Wales.

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-The job was his...

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-..but his son would be an insurance

-policy against a rebellion.

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-Yes, I sent a letter by the hand

-of Talley Abbot...

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-..promising Richard my support.

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-The words are still in my memory.

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-My conscience binds me to love

-and serve my King and country.

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-My vow can do no more.

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-Richard wanted to take

-my son as a hostage.

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-My four-year-old son

-a hostage for my loyalty.

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-This was too much

-for both myself and his mother.

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-Such presumption from the King.

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-To take my son!

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-What kind of man

-would do that to a four-year-old?

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-Despite signing the letter...

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-.."most obedient and most faithful

-subject and servant"...

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-..the request itself

-had hurt and infuriated me.

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-No, he would not get my son

-as hostage.

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-But I had to ensure I did not show

-my true feelings to anyone.

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-Buy time.

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-There would be an opportunity

-to strike back.

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-Rhys must have been very aware...

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-..that the cost of supporting

-the losing side would be his head.

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-When choosing sides, these things

-must have gone through his mind.

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-His old loyalty to Lancaster

-would still be pulling.

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-He was also aware of the huge risk

-this meant for him and his family.

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-By 1485, both Richard III's son

-and wife, Anne, had died.

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-That left him

-in a very weak position.

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-He was a King with no heir.

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-Henry Tudor and his uncle,

-Jasper Tudor were in France.

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-They were busy collecting an army to

-land in Britain and attack Richard.

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-Richard III required support from

-men like Rhys ap Thomas in Wales.

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-Richard didn't know

-where Henry would land.

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-He knew he was coming

-but he didn't know where he'd land.

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-He'd moved to Nottingham

-by the summer of 1485...

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-..to be in the centre

-of the kingdom...

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-..ready to strike

-at Henry's landing site.

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-He needed people locally

-in many areas to watch the coasts.

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-In Kidwelly, there lived a lawyer

-named Trahaearn ap Morgan.

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-He was one of the links...

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-..between Henry Tudor and supportive

-nobles in Britain, including Rhys.

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-Another was John Morgan

-from Tredegar, the lawyer's brother.

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-He would later become

-the Bishop of St Davids.

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-Rhys was careful

-not to show his true colours...

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-..or cunning in continuing to appear

-to support King Richard III.

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-Gold.

-I loved its colour and its touch.

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-Too much.

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-Richard III gave me an annual sum

-to buy my support.

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-Threatening to keep my son hostage

-was one step too far.

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-Under Richard III

-and the Yorkists...

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-..there was little chance

-of climbing higher politically.

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-Henry Tudor offered more.

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-Yes, there was danger...

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-..but through good planning

-and conspiring...

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-..it was possible

-to conquer Richard.

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-I may have sworn an oath

-of fealty to him...

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-..and I won't go back on my word

-if it isn't in my interest.

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-Henry and Jasper had deliberately

-chosen to land in Wales.

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-They were hoping there wouldn't be

-any direct resistance.

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-They would have time to gather

-an army and travel towards Richard.

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-They could do that without someone

-resisting them straight away.

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-What Richard wanted...

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-..was for his supporters in Wales

-to deal with Henry early.

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-That's not how it was.

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-On 1 August 1485, Henry Tudor

-sailed towards Wales.

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-He had the support

-of the King of France.

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-He landed about two miles from Dale

-in Pembrokeshire on 7 August.

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-When Henry Tudor landed here,

-he changed the course...

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-..not only of Welsh history,

-but British history too.

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-He put Rhys ap Thomas

-in quite a quandary.

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-What would he do?

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-Fight the incoming claimant

-or support Henry Tudor?

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-This place is a turning point

-in our history.

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-According to one old legend...

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-..because Rhys swore that nobody

-could come through Wales...

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-..to attack Richard III

-only over his body...

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-..the then bishop of St Davids

-advised him to do exactly that.

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-That would release him

-from the oath.

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-And it's what he did.

0:21:000:21:02

-He lay down under Mullock bridge...

0:21:020:21:04

-..while Henry's soldiers

-marched over his body.

0:21:050:21:08

-The myth that Rhys lies down

-under Mullock bridge...

0:21:120:21:16

-..while Henry Tudor marches across

-so that Rhys doesn't break his word.

0:21:160:21:20

-It's just a myth.

0:21:210:21:22

-Rhys was halfway up country by then.

0:21:240:21:27

-He wouldn't have had time to get

-back and lie under Mullock bridge.

0:21:280:21:31

-It would have been pointless.

0:21:330:21:35

-Rhys kept everyone guessing by not

-siding with one side or the other.

0:21:410:21:46

-That is part, most likely,

-of his success.

0:21:470:21:49

-This choice of different routes

-is very interesting.

0:21:520:21:56

-It isn't completely obvious...

0:21:560:21:59

-..that Rhys has made

-the final decision to join Henry.

0:21:590:22:04

-It could be suggested that he was

-waiting to see what would happen.

0:22:040:22:10

-There is evidence that he and Henry

-had been in contact...

0:22:100:22:13

-..that messages

-went back and forth...

0:22:140:22:17

-..and that they both knew

-the plans...

0:22:170:22:19

-..and that they'd planned to meet

-at Welshpool, close to the border.

0:22:190:22:24

-The natural way for him

-to go to claim the crown...

0:22:240:22:28

-..was straight across South Wales...

0:22:280:22:30

-..just as if he'd caught

-a Great Western train...

0:22:300:22:33

-..if such things existed

-at that time, straight for London.

0:22:330:22:37

-That's not what he did, is it?

0:22:370:22:41

-He headed to the North West

-along the coast.

0:22:410:22:45

-Rhys' path went more

-through the heart of Wales.

0:22:460:22:50

-He went through Carmarthen,

-Brecon, Builth Wells...

0:22:500:22:55

-..Llangurig up to Welshpool.

0:22:550:22:57

-That follows a path...

0:22:570:22:59

-..along the western side

-of the Marches.

0:23:000:23:04

-More to the east, there was more

-support for the house of York.

0:23:040:23:08

-The South West was a traditional

-Lancaster stronghold.

0:23:080:23:12

-What Rhys was doing, in a way...

0:23:120:23:14

-..was following the border

-with Yorkist territory.

0:23:140:23:19

-By doing that...

0:23:190:23:20

-..he may have been sheltering

-Henry from an Eastern attack.

0:23:200:23:24

-On the way to Bosworth, Henry Tudor

-stayed near Machynlleth...

0:23:260:23:31

-..with the prophetic poet

-Dafydd Llwyd o Fathafarn.

0:23:310:23:35

-Dafydd Llwyd o Fathafarn

-was the broadcast mouthpiece...

0:23:360:23:40

-..of the War of the Roses in Wales.

0:23:400:23:43

-If the Lancastrians

-had their broadcast minister...

0:23:430:23:48

-..that man was Dafydd Llwyd.

0:23:480:23:50

-There was a good reason why

-Henry Tudor visited Dafydd Llwyd.

0:23:510:23:56

-According to tradition,

-and I accept that tradition...

0:23:560:24:00

-..he spent the night at Mathafarn.

0:24:010:24:03

-Over supper that night...

0:24:060:24:08

-..Henry Tudor questioned

-Dafydd Llwyd about his fate.

0:24:080:24:12

-The prophetic poet promised

-an answer in the morning.

0:24:120:24:16

-During the night...

0:24:180:24:20

-..Dafydd Llwyd tossed and turned,

-but he couldn't sleep.

0:24:200:24:24

-According to tradition,

-his wife turned to him and said...

0:24:240:24:30

-.."Just tell him he's certain

-to win and claim the crown."

0:24:300:24:36

-If that doesn't happen, he's

-unlikely to come back to bother you.

0:24:360:24:41

-If he is victorious, there's

-a good chance you'll be rewarded.

0:24:410:24:47

-I managed to win the support

-of my people and the young men.

0:24:520:24:55

-They were happy to fight

-for a Welshman, Henry Tudor.

0:24:560:24:59

-I'm a strong proponent

-of physical exercise...

0:24:590:25:03

-..and nurturing strength

-to fight in battle.

0:25:030:25:07

-If I ever learned something,

-it was military strategy.

0:25:080:25:12

-Knowing where to be

-and when to strike.

0:25:120:25:16

-Henry had made me many promises.

0:25:170:25:20

-I shared the hope

-of seeing a Welshman...

0:25:200:25:22

-..on the throne

-of England and Wales.

0:25:220:25:24

-One bard referred to Henry

-as the second great redeemer.

0:25:260:25:30

-We all hoped he'd be more successful

-than the first, Owain Glyndwr.

0:25:300:25:35

-The August of 1485 was a turning

-point, in more ways than one.

0:25:380:25:45

-I was young,

-in the prime of my days.

0:25:460:25:49

-.

0:25:540:25:54

-Subtitles

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-Subtitles

-

-Subtitles

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-During harvest time...

0:26:060:26:08

-..around 16 August 1485...

0:26:080:26:13

-..Henry Tudor's army

-and Rhys ap Thomas' army...

0:26:130:26:16

-..made their way through Wales

-on the way to the English Midlands.

0:26:170:26:21

-Their aim,

-to defeat King Richard III.

0:26:210:26:24

-At the same time,

-the King was in Nottingham...

0:26:240:26:27

-..preparing

-for the inevitable battle.

0:26:280:26:31

-Rhys had shown his support

-for Henry Tudor by now...

0:26:360:26:39

-..and Richard III knew it.

0:26:390:26:42

-What a plot to deceive Richard.

0:26:440:26:47

-To create doubt.

0:26:470:26:49

-But the leaders of the

-North Wales lands joined us too...

0:26:490:26:53

-..William Gruffydd ap Robin

-and Rhys Fawr ap Maredudd...

0:26:530:26:57

-..Hugh Conway

-and Rhisiart ap Hywel from Mostyn.

0:26:570:27:01

-The Welsh were fervent

-in their support for Henry Tudor.

0:27:010:27:05

-I may as well admit it here...

0:27:050:27:07

-..my army,

-my 1,000 disciplined soldiers...

0:27:070:27:11

-..were the most important,

-and Henry Tudor knew this.

0:27:110:27:15

-Richard moved his soldiers from his

-base in Nottingham to Leicester...

0:27:210:27:26

-..and from there to Ambion Hill

-outside Market Bosworth.

0:27:260:27:30

-Leicester was one of the main

-administrative centres back then...

0:27:300:27:35

-..not London,

-as it was more central.

0:27:350:27:38

-In the same way, Wales was ruled

-from Ludlow, on the border lands...

0:27:390:27:43

-..as it was easier...

0:27:440:27:45

-..to govern north and south

-and the Marches from there.

0:27:450:27:49

-What a morning -

-the morning of 22 August 1485.

0:28:000:28:05

-Between us and Richard's army,

-the ground was wet and marshy.

0:28:050:28:09

-The Earl of Oxford was to attack on

-behalf of Henry Tudor on one flank.

0:28:170:28:21

-Nearby, undecided if they'd support

-Henry Tudor, were the Stanleys.

0:28:210:28:26

-Arrows were fired

-by the Earl of Oxford's soldiers.

0:28:300:28:34

-The Stanleys joined in the battle

-on the side of Henry Tudor.

0:28:360:28:40

-Then, and I don't understand why...

0:28:480:28:50

-..Richard

-decided to attack Henry Tudor...

0:28:500:28:53

-..who had a small group of soldiers

-nearby.

0:28:530:28:56

-My soldiers and I were there too.

0:28:570:28:59

-Henry's standard-bearer was killed,

-Sir William Brandon.

0:29:020:29:06

-Rhys Fawr ap Maredudd

-picked up the standard.

0:29:070:29:10

-I saw Richard coming towards Henry.

0:29:100:29:13

-I had the halberd.

0:29:200:29:21

-As he charged towards Henry,

-he turned his back towards me.

0:29:240:29:27

-I lifted the weapon.

0:29:270:29:29

-We have this image of Richard III

-falling off his horse...

0:29:320:29:36

-..throwing himself amongst Henry

-VII's supporters on the battlefield.

0:29:360:29:41

-He apparently fought valiantly

-on his feet...

0:29:410:29:44

-..shouting at the top of his voice,

-"Treason"...

0:29:440:29:47

-..and was struck down.

0:29:470:29:49

-His skeleton suggests he received

-many blows to his head and body...

0:29:490:29:54

-..so a cluster of Welsh people

-surrounding Henry...

0:29:540:29:58

-..who shared the responsibility.

0:29:580:30:01

-The contemporary account

-in a chronicle in Burgundy...

0:30:010:30:04

-..says he was killed by a Welshman.

0:30:040:30:06

-So it's possible that a Welshman

-supporting Henry was responsible.

0:30:070:30:11

-Some name Rhys ap Maredudd

-as the man who did the deed.

0:30:110:30:15

-There's a strong tradition

-saying it was Rhys ap Thomas.

0:30:160:30:19

-After two hours of battle,

-it was all finished.

0:30:220:30:26

-Henry Tudor was now

-the King of England and Wales.

0:30:260:30:31

-After the morning of fighting...

0:30:380:30:41

-..Rhys ap Thomas was knighted

-on Bosworth Field by Henry Tudor.

0:30:410:30:45

-Then, Henry Tudor

-rode victoriously into Leicester...

0:30:480:30:52

-..followed by Richard III's body.

0:30:520:30:55

-The corpse was exhibited

-for two days...

0:30:560:30:59

-..before it was buried

-at Greyfriars Court.

0:30:590:31:03

-His remains were found in 2012

-under a car park in Leicester.

0:31:040:31:09

-They were reburied this spring.

0:31:090:31:12

-It was proved

-that they belonged to Richard III.

0:31:130:31:16

-He was killed when his skull was

-split by a weapon like a halberd.

0:31:160:31:20

-What's noteworthy...

0:31:240:31:26

-..and is perhaps further proof

-that Sir Rhys killed Richard III...

0:31:260:31:31

-..is the poets' evidence.

0:31:310:31:33

-Guto'r Glyn composed a cywydd

-of praise to Sir Rhys ap Thomas.

0:31:330:31:37

-In it, he refers to the part

-that Sir Rhys ap Thomas played...

0:31:370:31:41

-..in the Battle of Bosworth.

0:31:410:31:43

-Sir Rhys ap Thomas,

-to a large degree...

0:31:430:31:45

-..was the right man in

-the right place at the right time.

0:31:460:31:49

-If Rhys ap Thomas killed Richard...

0:31:490:31:53

-..then it shows

-that he was already a part...

0:31:530:31:56

-..of Henry Tudor's

-very close circle.

0:31:570:32:00

-It confirms that there

-had been careful planning.

0:32:000:32:05

-Interestingly,

-Guto refers to the battle itself.

0:32:060:32:09

-He talks about...

0:32:090:32:10

-There are key lines in the cywydd.

0:32:110:32:14

-One of them is "killing the boar,

-he shaved his head".

0:32:140:32:20

-Of course,

-the boar refers to Richard III.

0:32:210:32:24

-For me, the only difficulty

-is who carries out the deed.

0:32:250:32:31

-Is it the King, is it Sir Rhys?

0:32:310:32:34

-It's obvious

-that Sir Rhys was present.

0:32:340:32:37

-But there's some confusion

-as to who scored the crucial try...

0:32:380:32:43

-..which meant that Wales

-was victorious on Bosworth field?

0:32:440:32:48

-I'm not certain.

0:32:480:32:50

-We've got Jean Molinet,

-the chronicler...

0:32:500:32:52

-..who was a contemporary

-of Bosworth.

0:32:530:32:55

-He says it's a Welshman

-who killed Richard III.

0:32:550:32:58

-If Sir Rhys

-had actually killed Richard...

0:32:590:33:02

-..I think Guto and a few

-other bards had made more of it.

0:33:020:33:08

-Guto's cywydd suggests

-that it's extremely likely...

0:33:090:33:15

-..that soldiers,

-Sir Rhys ap Thomas' men...

0:33:150:33:18

-..were responsible

-for killing Richard III.

0:33:190:33:23

-It's quite possible

-that it wouldn't have been wise...

0:33:230:33:27

-..to boast too much

-about who killed Richard III.

0:33:270:33:31

-Killing a king wasn't necessarily

-something to be too vocal about.

0:33:310:33:37

-The tables might have turned and

-then revenge would've been sought...

0:33:370:33:41

-..on whoever killed the King

-from the York family.

0:33:410:33:44

-But the part he played

-was clearly crucial.

0:33:450:33:48

-Within three days of the battle,

-he was knighted, made a Sir.

0:33:480:33:53

-That was a reward.

0:33:530:33:56

-That says a lot.

0:33:570:33:58

-So I would say it points to the fact

-that he probably did kill Richard...

0:33:590:34:03

-..because without Richard

-being dead...

0:34:030:34:06

-..there is no way

-Henry could ever be King.

0:34:060:34:08

-It was no good wounding him,

-somebody had to kill him.

0:34:090:34:12

-Without a doubt,

-Henry Tudor was delighted.

0:34:150:34:19

-He couldn't thank me enough.

0:34:190:34:21

-I was knighted on the spot.

0:34:210:34:23

-What would my grandfather

-have made of this?

0:34:250:34:28

-Henry was true to his word...

0:34:280:34:30

-..and I was made

-Chamberlain of South Wales...

0:34:300:34:33

-..a Steward of the King...

0:34:330:34:34

-..with land and control

-over the lordship of Builth.

0:34:350:34:38

-Oh, things changed significantly

-for me.

0:34:380:34:42

-On 30 October, two months

-after the Battle of Bosworth...

0:34:450:34:49

-..Henry Tudor was crowned Henry VII.

0:34:490:34:53

-The Welsh

-thought this was great news.

0:34:540:34:57

-A time for celebration.

0:34:570:34:59

-Immediately after Henry Tudor's

-victory in Bosworth...

0:35:060:35:10

-..the bards were delighted.

0:35:110:35:13

-These prophecies had come true

-at last.

0:35:130:35:16

-After years of prophesying...

0:35:160:35:19

-..that a Welshman would regain the

-English crown, the London crown...

0:35:190:35:23

-..and become head of Britain again,

-it had actually happened.

0:35:230:35:27

-Henry Tudor was their hero.

0:35:280:35:29

-As Henry Tudor had to please English

-politicians to get anything done...

0:35:300:35:35

-..I think the bards at the time

-had been smart enough to realize...

0:35:350:35:40

-..that this didn't answer

-all of the Welsh's requirements.

0:35:400:35:44

-Sir Rhys ap Thomas continued

-to receive honours and land...

0:35:450:35:50

-..making him richer even than his

-grandfather, Gruffydd ap Nicholas.

0:35:500:35:54

-Rhys was very ready

-to flaunt this wealth...

0:35:550:35:58

-..and to share it too.

0:35:580:36:00

-In Llanwenog

-in southern Ceredigion...

0:36:010:36:04

-..the church tower was built under

-the orders and cost of Sir Rhys...

0:36:040:36:08

-..as a thank you, possibly, to

-the young soldiers from the area...

0:36:080:36:12

-..who were part of his army

-in Bosworth.

0:36:120:36:15

-Engravings of Tudor roses

-were made near the roof...

0:36:150:36:18

-..and Sir Rhys ap Thomas'

-coat of arms is above the door.

0:36:180:36:22

-Many other battles were fought

-to secure Henry VII's crown.

0:36:240:36:28

-Sir Rhys was a key part

-of the battles.

0:36:280:36:31

-He was away from home more and more

-doing work for the King.

0:36:310:36:35

-When Arthur was born, a son to

-Henry VII and his wife Elizabeth...

0:36:400:36:44

-..the new Prince's carer

-and best friend...

0:36:440:36:47

-..was Gruffydd ap Rhys,

-Sir Rhys ap Thomas' son, no less.

0:36:480:36:51

-Sir Rhys' family were now

-a prominent and central part...

0:36:510:36:56

-..of the royal family's court

-on every level...

0:36:560:36:59

-..as well as governing in Wales.

0:36:590:37:01

-In truth, this was just the start.

0:37:020:37:04

-.

0:37:090:37:09

-Subtitles

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-Subtitles

-

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0:37:120:37:14

-The fact that Rhys

-progressed so much so quickly...

0:37:220:37:26

-..is proof of how Henry VII

-felt indebted to him.

0:37:260:37:30

-Is this proof that he killed

-Richard III on the battlefield?

0:37:300:37:34

-Rhys was given

-considerable authority afterwards.

0:37:350:37:39

-He spent time in court in London.

0:37:390:37:41

-He was a member

-of the Privy Council...

0:37:410:37:44

-..so the King turned to him

-for advice...

0:37:440:37:46

-..in particular

-on matters relating to Wales.

0:37:470:37:50

-He was asked to arrange a tomb

-for Henry VII's father, Edmund...

0:37:500:37:54

-..who died unexpectedly

-before Henry was born.

0:37:540:37:57

-He was known affectionately

-as King of Carmarthen.

0:37:580:38:01

-He was virtually King

-here in South Wales.

0:38:010:38:04

-He could do really

-whatever he pleased.

0:38:050:38:07

-Henry VII's son was Arthur.

0:38:080:38:11

-Arthur married Catherine of Aragon

-in 1501.

0:38:110:38:14

-They lived in Ludlow...

0:38:150:38:17

-..the main town governing

-Wales and the Marches at the time.

0:38:180:38:22

-They were only married for

-five months before Arthur died...

0:38:240:38:28

-..more than likely

-of sweating sickness.

0:38:280:38:30

-Who was chosen

-to arrange the funeral...

0:38:300:38:34

-..but his best friend Gruffydd ap

-Rhys, the son of Sir Rhys ap Thomas.

0:38:340:38:38

-Prince Arthur

-was buried at Worcester Cathedral.

0:38:380:38:43

-Sir Rhys received

-one of his greatest honours...

0:39:010:39:05

-..from Henry VII in 1505.

0:39:050:39:08

-He was made Knight of the Garter.

0:39:080:39:10

-This was the highest form of

-chivalry honour given by the King.

0:39:110:39:15

-Sir Rhys was the only Welshman

-to receive this honour...

0:39:160:39:19

-..until the 20th century.

0:39:190:39:21

-The Garter emblem

-can be seen clearly on his tomb...

0:39:210:39:24

-..at St Peter's Church, Carmarthen.

0:39:240:39:27

-To celebrate this in 1506...

0:39:280:39:31

-..Rhys ap Thomas held a big party...

0:39:310:39:34

-..in the house he had obtained...

0:39:350:39:37

-..because he had given someone a

-mortgage who was then unable to pay.

0:39:370:39:42

-This was Carew Castle.

0:39:430:39:45

-He invited noblemen

-from all over Wales.

0:39:450:39:48

-What a celebration!

0:39:540:39:55

-Me, a soldier

-from the Dinefwr area...

0:39:550:39:58

-..being bestowed with one

-of the greatest honours possible.

0:39:580:40:02

-Knight of the Garter.

0:40:020:40:04

-It was a prosperous time...

0:40:050:40:06

-..with many castles' land

-and constableships coming to me...

0:40:070:40:10

-..and to my son, Gruffydd.

0:40:100:40:13

-It was a time of organization...

0:40:130:40:15

-..of ensuring that everyone

-paid their rent...

0:40:150:40:18

-..and that soldiers were available

-and were well-prepared.

0:40:180:40:22

-A time of ensuring

-that a legal order was administered.

0:40:220:40:25

-When Henry VII died in 1509,

-it was the end of an era.

0:40:270:40:32

-However, his son Henry VIII

-wanted me to continue to advise...

0:40:330:40:37

-..and to rule on his behalf

-in Wales.

0:40:370:40:39

-Even in 1512, at 63 years old,

-I fought in France with the King.

0:40:410:40:46

-My main role at home

-was to keep an eye on the seas...

0:40:480:40:51

-..so that no-one

-could attack the country...

0:40:510:40:54

-..by landing on the coast

-of south-west Wales.

0:40:540:40:57

-I was so proud of my son Gruffydd

-at the time.

0:40:580:41:02

-My succession was safe.

0:41:020:41:04

-He was given more and more

-responsibilities.

0:41:040:41:07

-He was also

-one of the King's favourites.

0:41:070:41:10

-Those were good times.

0:41:110:41:12

-Despite the successes and honours,

-tragedy hit the family in 1521.

0:41:150:41:20

-Gruffydd ap Rhys

-died at the age of 43.

0:41:200:41:24

-It is likely he died while away

-on business for the King in Calais.

0:41:250:41:28

-He was buried in Worcester,

-close to the tomb of Prince Arthur.

0:41:280:41:33

-His death had a great effect

-on Sir Rhys.

0:41:340:41:37

-His intention had been for Gruffydd

-to inherit all his land.

0:41:380:41:42

-He was a brave soldier...

0:41:430:41:45

-..who had studied Law

-at Lincoln's Inn in London.

0:41:450:41:48

-He had been groomed to be an adviser

-on Wales for the King.

0:41:480:41:52

-Without another heir,

-all of his kingdom...

0:41:540:41:57

-..was now likely to go to his

-grandson, Rhys ap Gruffydd, aged 15.

0:41:570:42:02

-By 1524, Sir Rhys's health

-was deteriorating.

0:42:090:42:13

-On 3 February 1525, he came

-to Greyfriars Court in Carmarthen.

0:42:130:42:19

-It was a strange move,

-as he had many homes in the area...

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-..and enough money

-to secure the best care possible.

0:42:230:42:26

-Was he turning to God

-in his eleventh hour?

0:42:260:42:30

-Looking back, it is possible

-that there were things he regretted.

0:42:310:42:35

-More than one life had ended

-on the battlefield because of Rhys.

0:42:350:42:39

-We must remember

-that Rhys was probably there...

0:42:390:42:42

-..when Richard's body was carted off

-fairly ignominiously...

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-..to the Greyfriars in Leicester.

0:42:460:42:48

-For a man like Rhys,

-I think this would have been...

0:42:490:42:52

-..a very difficult thing

-to cope with in his conscience.

0:42:520:42:55

-It's possible that he felt he needed

-to reconcile with his God.

0:42:560:43:00

-I'm sorry for what I did. I'll end

-my days here with the Greyfriars.

0:43:010:43:05

-Like my liege Lord Richard did.

-The man I killed.

0:43:060:43:11

-The man that I destroyed.

0:43:110:43:12

-The end is nearing.

0:43:190:43:21

-Everything is weakening.

0:43:220:43:24

-Is it wise to look back?

0:43:250:43:27

-Yes, there were successes.

0:43:290:43:31

-When I was a child playing

-around Dinefwr and Abermarlais...

0:43:320:43:35

-..who would have believed

-I could have such success?

0:43:360:43:39

-And such losses.

0:43:400:43:42

-Oh, God, I tried to be honest...

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-..and fair.

0:43:480:43:50

-I know I swore an oath of allegiance

-to Richard III.

0:43:510:43:57

-I then betrayed him and killed him

-at the Battle of Bosworth.

0:43:570:44:01

-But isn't this surely

-the fate of soldiers?

0:44:010:44:04

-How will you judge me?

0:44:050:44:08

-Oh, God, do not judge me

-on my faults alone.

0:44:090:44:14

-Forgive me

-for what I did to Richard.

0:44:150:44:18

-# Amen #

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-Sir Rhys ap Thomas

-died on 9 February, 1525.

0:44:290:44:33

-He was 76 years old.

0:44:340:44:36

-He was buried with the monks

-at Greyfriars Court in Carmarthen.

0:44:360:44:41

-Quite ironically, the site

-is now Greyfriars Car Park.

0:44:410:44:47

-Strange,

-when you consider what happened...

0:44:470:44:50

-..to the remains of Richard III

-and the other car park in Leicester.

0:44:500:44:54

-After Henry VIII's

-dissolution of the monasteries...

0:45:020:45:05

-..Sir Rhys's corpse

-was moved to St Peter's Church...

0:45:060:45:09

-..in the centre of Carmarthen.

0:45:090:45:11

-Sir Rhys married twice.

0:45:130:45:15

-He had one son, who died young.

0:45:160:45:20

-In his will,

-he provides for his daughters...

0:45:200:45:23

-..and for 12 children

-born out of wedlock...

0:45:240:45:27

-..and their mothers,

-who were his lovers.

0:45:290:45:31

-His grandson, Rhys,

-inherited everything.

0:45:340:45:37

-But he was accused of treason

-and was executed by Henry VIII.

0:45:380:45:43

-He was accused of conspiring

-with the King of Scotland...

0:45:450:45:49

-..so that he would rule Wales.

0:45:500:45:53

-He called himself Fitz Urien

-to connect with the Old North.

0:45:530:45:59

-Like all young men who come

-into power at an early age...

0:46:000:46:04

-..he let it all slip away.

0:46:040:46:06

-That was the beginning of the end,

-I think...

0:46:060:46:09

-..for the whole

-Rhys ap Thomas story and legend.

0:46:090:46:13

-They just disappeared through

-the bad behaviour of his grandson.

0:46:130:46:17

-And so the sun set on

-Sir Rhys ap Thomas's large kingdom.

0:46:270:46:32

-However, his descendant,

-Robert Talbot Rice...

0:46:400:46:43

-..continues the military connection.

0:46:430:46:45

-He is a Major General

-in the Welsh Guards.

0:46:450:46:48

-I'm Sir Rhys ap Thomas's

-fourteen-times great-grandson.

0:46:510:46:54

-He was a remarkable man.

-He lived in violent times.

0:46:550:46:59

-He prospered in violent times.

0:46:590:47:02

-He did a great deal...

0:47:030:47:05

-..to bring Wales

-into the heart of British politics.

0:47:050:47:10

-At the same time, I suspect he was

-no saint to have got where he did.

0:47:100:47:16

-Saint or no saint,

-St Peter's Church in Carmarthen...

0:47:200:47:25

-..plans to move the tomb.

0:47:250:47:26

-They wish to commemorate Sir Rhys

-and his contribution...

0:47:260:47:30

-..as explained

-by Canon Leigh Richardson.

0:47:310:47:33

-At the moment, you can't see

-the other side of the tomb.

0:47:330:47:39

-We want a 360-degree view.

0:47:390:47:41

-We want to be able to see

-the top as well.

0:47:420:47:45

-We want to create

-an interpretation centre...

0:47:450:47:48

-..to show the history of Rhys,

-the town and the church.

0:47:490:47:53

-Were it not for this Welshman

-from Llandeilo...

0:48:000:48:03

-..the history of Wales, Britain

-and possibly the world...

0:48:030:48:07

-..would be very different.

0:48:070:48:09

-Henry VIII would not have ruled...

0:48:100:48:13

-..nor would his daughter,

-Elizabeth I.

0:48:130:48:16

-She authorized the translation

-of the Bible into Welsh.

0:48:160:48:20

-Like new growth

-in this cornfield...

0:48:200:48:22

-..the history of Sir Rhys ap Thomas

-can either germinate anew or die.

0:48:230:48:27

-It's up to us.

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