Y Groggs yn 50


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-50? We don't look a day over 30!

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-How do they expect us

-to blow these out?

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-It's the job of one man,

-and one man only.

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-Oggie, oggie, oggie!

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-No, I'm the man.

-I've a fantastic pair of lungs.

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-No, not you, you idiot.

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-Loose-Head Lloyd.

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-Being a rugby supporter in Wales

-is like being on a fairground ride.

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-One minute you're

-clutching the edges of your seats...

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-..adrenalin pumping

-and heart pounding.

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-The relief.

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-And the next minute,

-a nightmare ride on the ghost train.

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-Over the past 50 years,

-a company near Pontypridd...

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-..has been busy chronicling...

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-..some of the era's players

-and prominent successes.

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-This year, the World of Groggs...

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-..celebrates its 50th birthday.

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-Everyone loves Groggs.

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-Every time a new Grogg

-was created of one of the players...

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-..you could tell

-they were chuffed to bits.

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-It's something personal.

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-You win the first cap,

-you play for Wales...

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-..and then you look forward

-to having a Grogg made of you.

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-You know you're

-an important player in Wales...

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-..when a Grogg's made of you.

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-I remember a couple of months ago...

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-..Liam Williams

-came up to me and said...

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-.."It's a big day for me because

-I'm going to the Grogg shop."

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-I said to him, "You've made it."

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-When the boys are asked...

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-..they're very proud

-and very pleased too.

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-I remember Gavin Henson

-going into the Grogg shop...

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-..and asking for

-more of a six-pack, more muscles...

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-..and darker skin.

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-He was happy in the end...

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-..because his Grogg looked lush.

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-People often say

-to my wife Margaret...

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-.."It doesn't look like Clive."

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-She says to them,

-"That's the man I married."

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-It's exactly like the man I married.

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-The Hughes family

-are the guardians of the kingdom.

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-The Groggmeister in the workshop

-is Richard...

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-..while sister Kathy runs the shop.

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-But it was in the garden shed

-of the late John Hughes...

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-..that everything started.

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-Dad just had an idea

-when we were all kids.

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-He was working,

-doing normal jobs and he decided...

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-..he was going to give up work

-and start making things out of clay.

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-He had this idea of doing things

-from the Old Testament...

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-..and from the Mabinogion,

-giants especially.

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-Until he put them in rugby shirts...

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-..people

-didn't understand what they were.

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-Once he made the conversion

-into rugby, everybody clued up.

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-John moved to this pub and

-turned it into the World of Groggs.

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-The building's been painted

-in Wales' colours...

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-..and has become

-an altar for all things Welsh.

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-It's welcomed many stars

-through its doors over the years.

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-A tradition that still continues.

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-I think it was after the World Cup.

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-Rhys Priestland and I went there.

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-You go upstairs and you're

-photographed from every angle.

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-Then you're

-shown around the museum...

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-..and you see photos

-of the boys who've gone before you.

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-It's a great experience.

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-I remember going to the shop

-back in '89.

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-Seven or eight Wales players...

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-..had been selected...

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-..for the Lions tour to Australia.

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-John and Richard made Groggs

-of us all in Lions' jerseys.

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-You go inside

-and it's like a museum.

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-There are shirts

-from people like Phil Bennett...

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-..and the All Blacks

-from the 1960s and 1970s.

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-You get to see the

-very first Groggs that were made.

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-You also get to see the other

-players you're lined up with...

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-..who've had Groggs

-made over the years.

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-You go in for five minutes

-and leave five hours later...

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-..because there are

-so many things to see.

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-Some were just Groggs,

-others had jerseys and things.

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-The creators are very hospitable.

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-They dedicate

-so much of their to players...

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-..and famous people...

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-..to make these Groggs so good.

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-It wasn't

-just about what you looked like.

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-They spoke to you and so on.

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-It was more than just visual.

-They got in here too.

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-1969 was a turning point

-in the history of the Groggs.

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-A collection

-went on sale for the first time...

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-..after the Wales v England game.

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-It was the Welsh turn to show them

-what they should've done.

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-Wales trounced the old enemy.

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-In his elation,

-one keen supporter bought the lot.

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-It was obvious to John Hughes that

-there was a future for the Groggs.

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-The Wales coach that day

-was Clive Rowlands.

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-The game in '69 was

-an important game for me as a coach.

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-Wales on the attack again,

-England weren't getting a look-in.

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-Wales was completely on fire.

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-The rugby was on fire,

-Max was on fire, Gren was on fire.

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-Groggs was just beginning.

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-They had an ability.

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-They had an ability

-to make you smile at first...

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-..but then you were pleased

-to have them in your hand.

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-The captain

-was the young Sir Gareth.

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-25 points to six,

-and they weren't finished yet.

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-He was the first ever player

-to have a Grogg made of him.

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-The Welsh scored 30, England

-put on three penalty points...

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-..but they were small consolation.

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-There was

-something artistic about it all...

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-..because it didn't resemble

-what you looked like.

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-Everyone had an opinion about it.

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-People's opinions varied.

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-I remember people saying,

-"What do you think of those Groggs?

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-"They look nothing like you."

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-But I supported...

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-..John's creations.

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-I'd say,

-"That's not what it's all about.

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-"It's an artist's impression."

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-People

-who'd had a Grogg made of them...

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-..felt more important

-than those who hadn't had one made.

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-The more successful they became...

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-..the more the people

-who weren't in the shop...

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-..who weren't made into Groggs...

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-..the more

-they wanted a Grogg made of them.

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-John created the Groggs.

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-He'd created a different world.

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-You felt

-as though the Groggs were alive.

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-Before the JPRs and the Geralds...

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-..John created

-another special Wales team.

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-But these were from his imagination.

-Welcome to the Uglies.

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-They might not have been

-as successful as the real team...

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-..but they still frightened

-the opposition on the pitch.

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-They were world famous, weren't

-they? In their own minds, at least!

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-What's he talking about? We Uglies

-should be on the top shelf.

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-We were the ones out in the rain

-and mud every Saturday...

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-..in our heavy boots and sharp

-studs, shouting at each other.

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-What did you say?

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-Shouting on the pitch,

-not in the pub, you idiot!

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-We never came last, mind you.

-We always came second.

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-Never second in the punch throwing!

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-In the early '80s, with Wales'

-successes on the pitch...

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-..not quite reaching

-the high points of the '70s...

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-..John and Richard decided they

-couldn't only rely on Welsh Groggs.

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-It was time

-to reach for the passport.

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-The Groggs

-travelled around the world.

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-Everyone knows about

-this little shop in Pontypridd...

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-..and what they do.

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-I know David Campese well.

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-I think he likes the fact...

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-..that his Grogg

-stands in a shop in Pontypridd.

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-I was in the Italians' museum...

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-..about 100 kilometres from Rome...

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-..and that's where they were.

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-From Parisse

-to players before his time.

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-Wales players, New Zealand players.

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-In the corner, it caught my eye

-as soon as I walked in...

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-..was a small Grogg of Sid Going...

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-..a former All Blacks player

-from my era.

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-He was one of the world's

-greatest scrum-halves.

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-I spotted a Grogg of me

-in the other corner.

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-I was surprised it was there.

-They're everywhere.

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-It was bad enough being pushed aside

-by players like Gerald and JPR...

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-..let alone foreign players like

-Serge Blanco and Big Mouth Campese.

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-And those big faces.

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-He's an Englishman, not a Frenchman.

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-You mean Billy Big Mouth.

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-It could be worse.

-Imagine if they did footballers.

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-.

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-Subtitles

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-Subtitles

-

-Subtitles

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-The Groggs

-are 50 years old this year.

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-Over the years, rugby's biggest

-stars have all been Grogged.

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-But they aren't

-the only privileged ones.

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-There have also been

-rock stars, boxers...

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-..and even footballers

-who've grabbed the limelight.

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-It's over for us Uglies.

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-Footballers, rock stars,

-politicians too.

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-Police? Where? I got the jewellery

-from the Cockneys. They're not mine.

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-Cushty!

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-Politicians, not police!

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-They're sitting in the back.

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-He takes his dog everywhere and

-she's always dressed for a fight.

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-I can't even go for a dance now -

-the drunk man's sliding around.

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-The quiff's hogging the karaoke.

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-You can forget the darts.

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-Do you feel lucky?

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-Do you? Prop?

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-They even Grogg referees nowadays.

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-Referees?

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-I wasn't

-the first referee to be Grogged.

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-Clive Norling and Derek Bevan

-had a Grogg made of them....

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-..but I was the first referee

-whose Grogg went on sale.

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-I was refereeing in Australia

-last year or the year before.

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-Some of the Australian players,

-I think it was James O'Connor...

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-..who told me that he and Pocock...

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-..had been to the Grogg shop

-to have a Grogg made.

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-While they were there

-they saw my Grogg.

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-Three weeks after they'd been to the

-Grogg shop, I was refereeing them...

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-..during the autumn internationals.

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-They said

-they'd seen my Grogg before a game.

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-They didn't pass comment in case

-I sent them off during the game.

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-They wear microphones now.

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-Lucky there were none in my day.

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-I know someone who has a wardrobe

-assistant and wears hair gel.

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-That's not me.

-I don't wear hair gel.

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-I wear wax

-because my hair gets in a mess.

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-Wax keeps it stiff

-to keep it in place.

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-They'll be on TV programmes next,

-trying to make people laugh.

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-You're lucky I'm not refereeing

-you, otherwise you'd be in trouble.

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-How does he know we're here?

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-How does he know we're here?

-

-Maybe the club installed a ref cam!

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-Grogg is a type of clay.

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-Over the years, the Groggs

-have changed their appearance.

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-The old type of clay,

-the scars and the blood...

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-..have disappeared.

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-When my dad first started making

-figures, everything was unique.

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-It was a one-off thing.

-It was fired in a kiln and glazed.

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-That was it, in a world of its own.

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-But then

-we went to moulds quite early.

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-But they were plaster moulds

-for clay figures.

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-Now we've changed to resin,

-but that allows us...

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-..to do a lot more detailed work.

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-It allows me

-a lot more freedom as a modeller.

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-But there are a few things

-missing on some players.

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-People wanted my Grogg

-with a scrum cap on...

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-..but my mother wanted it without.

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-I only wear a scrum cap to play...

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-..to make me

-look like an action man.

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-On a statue

-it was visually different.

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-But I'm quite happy with my arms.

-I work hard on them.

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-I think they're just about perfect.

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-I took stick from Jamie

-because he's losing his hair.

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-His first Grogg has lots of hair.

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-They need to do another one with

-less hair on the top of his head!

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-It's a good resemblance...

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-..but I don't know if my nose

-is quite as long as that...

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-..and my ears quite that big...

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-..but it's a close resemblance.

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-The best thing is...

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-..the guns and the legs, the quads,

-are in proportion.

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-It's not only

-the bodies and faces...

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-..that drew Richard and John's

-attention in the early days.

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-I was the coach

-and I had a cigarette in my hand!

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-He'd captured me perfectly.

-The Grogg was large.

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-I don't know how he did it

-but I was so pleased to have it.

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-You won't believe this

-but I don't have it any more.

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-A gust of wind

-blew through the house...

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-..and knocked over the Grogg

-causing the head to fall off.

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-While some people

-lose their heads...

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-..some players

-have been a headache for Richard.

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-One man in particular...

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-..who's altered his appearance

-numerous times over the years.

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-I think this Grogg was the first one

-the Grogg shop made of me.

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-To tell you the truth...

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-..it looks perfect...

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-..because I remember my first cap.

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-The jersey was too big.

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-I looked about 11 years old.

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-Graham Henry and Steve Hansen said I

-wasn't big enough to play for Wales.

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-So I worked hard...

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-..and in 2005 I had this hairstyle.

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-More hair, and I looked a bit older.

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-I gained a bit of weight...

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-..and the jersey's quite tight

-on me, so I was happy with this.

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-My boots have been silver...

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-..gold, yellow...

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-..pink, green.

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-Afterwards, in 2008...

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-..that Grogg was made too.

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-I had more muscles and a six-pack.

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-The hairstyle's different.

-I've probably lost a bit of hair.

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-I was nervous about the ears

-because my ears stick out a bit.

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-But fair play

-to Richard and everyone...

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-..they've got it spot on.

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-With Richard in the process

-of making another Grogg of him...

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-..he hopes the beard doesn't stay.

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-We'd just finished a figure of him

-and Shane'd either shave his head...

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-..or he'd grow a beard.

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-I'd be pulling

-what's left of my hair out!

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-Something

-I'm looking for all the time...

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-..is a change

-in personality and looks.

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-It keeps me on my toes.

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-Even the props' bellies

-are flatter these days.

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-Where are the props' bellies hiding?

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-They can't possibly be trai...

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-..trai... training.

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-Pushover Pugh said he'd seen one

-of them coming out of a yoga class.

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-A prop's job

-is to throw punches, not train.

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-There's only one sort of six-pack

-a prop should be thinking about.

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-Looking ahead to the World Cup...

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-..Richard will be keeping an eye

-on the star players...

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-..to pick out

-the next Grogg among them.

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-Many players

-have excelled over the years.

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-Wales' dream begins.

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-It's easy to be confident

-about your own team, and I am.

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-I think Wales

-has a very strong team.

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-What they've shown in recent years

-is that they're difficult to beat.

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-They're a hard team to beat,

-so there's no reason why Wales...

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-..can't go far in the competition.

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-If Wales win their group...

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-..they have to beat Australia

-or England, or both of them...

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-..we've a good chance

-of reaching the final.

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-If Wales play well, they'll go far,

-but they have to play well.

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-One of their group

-will win the championship.

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-England...

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-..Australia or Wales.

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-Player to player, they're good

-enough to reach the quarter-finals.

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-The hardest game will be

-against England at Twickenham...

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-..but they're good enough

-to win that game...

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-..and I know they're good enough

-to beat Australia.

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-After that, who knows?

0:20:420:20:44

-John Hughes has certainly

-put Wales and Groggs...

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-..on the map.

0:20:510:20:53

-Nobody could've predicted the future

-for this small shop in Pontypridd.

0:20:540:21:00

-But Groggs are known

-throughout the world.

0:21:010:21:04

-There are people around the world

-who are Grogg collectors.

0:21:050:21:09

-It surprises me

-when I travel around the world...

0:21:090:21:14

-..and around the country, people

-come out of every nook and cranny...

0:21:140:21:19

-..and ask me to sign their Grogg.

0:21:190:21:22

-It's 50 years old.

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-You might think

-it was older than that...

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-..because it was very, very

-important for Welsh people...

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-..to have a Grogg.

0:21:340:21:36

-The concept is clever, in itself.

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-To turn out

-to be something famous...

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-..all over the world.

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-World-famous people

-have had Groggs made of themselves.

0:21:500:21:54

-That's very special.

0:21:540:21:56

-I wonder if there's a way back to

-the World of Groggs for the Uglies?

0:21:590:22:03

-They are the original Groggs,

-so they're always in our heart.

0:22:060:22:09

-Who knows,

-one day they'll make a comeback.

0:22:100:22:13

-I'd like to make some,

-just thinking about them now.

0:22:130:22:16

-I'm sorry you didn't get

-the attention you deserved.

0:22:160:22:20

-I, myself, along with JPR...

0:22:200:22:22

-..JJ and Gerald,

-we all said at the time...

0:22:230:22:26

-..that we're so pleased

-that John created Groggs of us...

0:22:260:22:30

-..because you were

-the real stars of that era.

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-HE SOBS

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-Are you crying?

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-Don't be silly,

-something's stuck in my throat.

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-Boys, we're on the comeback trail!

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