O'r Galon: Ble Wyt Ti Nawr?


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-This is Betws Mountain.

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-I used to come here with Dadi.

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-On a clear day,

-everything looked golden.

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-It made me feel

-as if heaven and earth...

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-..were as one.

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-I remember Dadi saying...

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-.."God's in his heaven.

-All's right with the world."

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-When I was small,

-I didn't really understand...

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-..but now I realize what he meant.

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-My father died three years ago.

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-I've always been one

-who wanted answers to questions.

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-After he died...

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-..one of the most important and most

-personal questions came to mind.

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-What happens to a person's spirit

-when they die?

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-I'd like to speak to several

-people from different religions...

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-..to discover what they believe...

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-..so that I can make up my own mind.

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-I have a passion for music,

-just like Dad.

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-He was a music promoter...

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-..and worked

-with many well-known artists.

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-He was in the recording studio

-with Only Men Aloud the day he died.

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-Now, my brother Finn and I

-are in the Only Kids Aloud choir.

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-It was Johnny Cash's book

-that started your spiritual journey.

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-He and Dadi were great friends.

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-He wrote a message

-on the inside cover.

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-"To Joe, sincerely your friend,

-Johnny Cash, 10 October 1996."

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-I remember picking up the book...

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-..the day after Dadi died.

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-That started the journey for you...

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-..and sparked your interest...

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-..in different religions, didn't it?

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-Yes, it did.

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-I'd say I'm someone...

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-..who's always been interested

-in different religions...

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-..but I hadn't really

-given them much thought before.

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-It definitely

-stirred something in me.

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-What was Dadi's religion?

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-I don't think

-he followed one specific religion.

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-He was interested

-in different faiths.

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-Despite his Catholic upbringing...

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-..he was interested

-in several religions.

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-He was into meditation

-and Falun Gong.

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-Do you remember him

-doing that with you?

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-He believed

-there was more to the world...

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-..than what we see on earth.

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-He believed in God...

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-..but perhaps not the god

-he was brought up to believe in.

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-You know the image - the god with

-a long beard, sitting on a cloud.

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-That sounds like a god

-in The Simpsons.

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-That wasn't the kind of god

-Dadi believed in.

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-I think it's sad...

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-..he couldn't

-draw his own conclusion...

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-..because he died so young.

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-Perhaps I can continue

-Dadi's spiritual journey.

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-That would be lovely, wouldn't it?

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-This is Ebenezer chapel

-in Ammanford.

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-I've been coming here all my life.

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-It's a place

-with which I'm familiar.

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-I feel it's the ideal location...

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-..for me to start my journey.

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-We believe

-that when a person dies...

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-..they go immediately

-to be with God.

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-This is echoed in Jesus's words...

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-..to the thief

-on the cross beside him.

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-"Today you will be with me

-in paradise."

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-Not tomorrow

-or the day after but today.

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-When a person dies...

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-..I believe that person

-crosses over immediately...

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-..to be with Him.

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-I knew that Dadi

-had a problem with hell...

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-..because he didn't believe

-that a loving God...

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-..would allow someone

-to suffer once they were dead.

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-He believed that hell was something

-that was created on earth.

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-Are there many references to hell

-in the Bible?

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-Yes, there are.

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-It's strange but...

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-..I'm with your father

-to some degree.

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-We're given a taste of hell

-from what we see on earth.

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-We're given a taste.

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-Yes, there is a heaven and a hell...

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-..in our faith...

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-..but it's up to Him

-to decide who goes there.

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-I don't know

-if that helps you in any way.

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-There are some things

-you have to allow God to decide.

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-Don't be fooled by Martha.

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-There is depth to her understanding.

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-She's a deep thinker.

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-This is a subject...

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-..that has been

-weighing heavily on her mind...

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-..over the past three years

-which have been hell for the family.

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-Martha knows her own mind.

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-She understands

-where she wants to go.

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-I want to wish her well...

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-..because

-she'll come out the other end...

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-..feeling far more fulfilled.

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-I once read that Hindus

-believe life is a train journey.

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-It's as if Mami, Finn and I

-are still on that journey...

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-..while it was Dadi's time

-to leave the train.

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-Our journey continues.

-But where is Dad?

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-On a different train

-or still at the station?

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-I've come to Radha Krishna temple

-in Swansea to discover more.

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-It says in the Bhagavad Gita...

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-.."As the embodied soul

-passes in this life...

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-"..from youth

-to boyhood to old age...

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-"..similarly, the soul

-passes onto another body at death."

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-That means at the time

-of your father's death...

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-..he went somewhere else,

-into a new body.

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-# Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna

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-# Krishna, Krishna

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-# Hare, Hare #

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-If you're born into a family...

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-..that is religious...

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-..from birth...

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-..you are surrounded

-by people talking about God.

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-It means

-that in a previous life...

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-..your consciousness

-was at that level.

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-So a person carries on, does he?

-Oh, OK.

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-I know you come from Ammanford...

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-..where there are lots of chapels...

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-..so what attracted you to Hinduism?

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-There are many similarities...

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-..between your journey and mine.

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-My father died when I was 13.

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-I don't know

-if you saw your father's body...

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-..but I saw my father's body...

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-..and I remember

-there was nothing there.

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-Wow,

-that's exactly what I felt too. Yes.

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-He was cold.

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-Where's Dad?

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-Where's Dad?

-

-Wow, that's exactly how I felt.

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-During my late teens,

-early twenties...

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-..I went off the rails...

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-..because I hadn't been given

-the right answers.

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-Where does the soul go?

-We know nothing about the soul.

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-No-one I asked knew anything

-about the soul either.

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-That's what attracted me

-to Hinduism.

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-Many of my old friends say...

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-.."What's got into him?

-He's wearing a dress."

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-I used to play rugby

-and I was one of the boys.

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-Here in the West...

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-..we know very little

-about the soul and spirituality.

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-My father's body is dead

-but his spirit or soul lives on.

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-He continues on his journey...

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-..and I'm carrying on with mine.

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-Like Dadi and me.

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-Like Dadi and me.

-

-Yes.

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-Thank you.

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-Thank you.

-

-You're welcome. Hare Krishna.

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-Meeting Steve today

-has lifted my spirits.

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-It was as if

-it was meant to happen.

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-The similarities...

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-..between Steve and me...

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-..and the fact that his father died

-when he was young too...

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-..had really touched me.

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-What he told me made sense.

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-I liked the fact

-that life doesn't just stop...

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-..or that someone goes

-either to heaven or hell.

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-They have a chance to live

-a different life once they're dead.

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-I think Dadi's karma

-was a good karma.

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-After hearing

-what Steve had to say...

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-..I feel that wherever he is now...

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-..he's in a good place.

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-It's very reassuring.

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-My father

-died suddenly three years ago.

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-Since then

-I've longed to find out...

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-..where he is now

-and whether or not he's alright.

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-I'm meeting people

-from different faiths...

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-..to find out what they believe

-happens when we die.

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-I've come to a multi-faith cemetery

-in Cardiff.

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-I'm meeting Nadia and Sara Yassine

-to learn more about Islamic faith.

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-We believe that when a person dies,

-the soul leaves the body...

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-..and the angel of death

-takes the soul.

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-When the person is buried,

-the soul returns to the body.

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-Two other angels descend

-and ask questions.

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-The first question they ask is,

-"Who is your god?"

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-The second question is,

-"Who is your prophet?"

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-And the third is,

-"Which religion do you follow?"

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-If you're a Muslim

-you should know the answers.

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-My father was a very friendly man.

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-He was happy and lovely.

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-Where is he now?

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-If a Muslim is evil

-or does bad things in their life...

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-..they'll be punished

-and put in hell.

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-But they will end up in heaven.

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-They will be put in heaven

-eventually...

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-..once they've been punished.

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-A person who is not a Muslim...

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-..according to what we believe,

-stays in hell for a very long time.

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-It's a sort of punishment

-for not being a Muslim.

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-God already knows...

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-..whether or not a person is going

-to heaven or hell.

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-It has already written.

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-However, though people

-do bad things in their life...

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-..and it has already been written...

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-..people still pray

-to try and avoid their fate...

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-..and to prevent themselves

-from doing evil in their lives.

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-After speaking to the girls...

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-..I've realized that Christianity

-and Islam are quite similar.

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-They both believe

-in heaven and hell...

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-There's also the fact that God has

-already determined people's destiny.

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-There is very little

-anyone can do to change that.

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-Personally...

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-..I don't think it's an idea

-I can accept at the moment.

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-But I'm keeping an open mind.

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-We'll see.

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-Try and focus

-on the way we're feeling right now.

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-Dadi was interested

-in several spiritual beliefs...

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-..and practised meditation.

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-What happens when a Buddhist dies?

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-One important point

-the Buddhist faith teaches...

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-..is to become accustomed to death.

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-Buddhists accept that death...

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-..is an intense...

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-..and complete experience.

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-In Buddhism, it's important

-that you don't shy away from it.

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-You can learn a great deal

-from fully accepting it.

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-The grieving process

-is also part of it.

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-The Buddha

-always explains the beliefs...

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-..with stories.

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-He used images.

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-One image he often used...

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-..was a flame.

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-A flame was passed

-from an old candle...

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-..to a new candle.

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-When people

-asked about reincarnation...

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-..he would always refer

-to that particular image.

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-He would explain

-by asking questions.

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-Is it the same flame which passes

-from the old candle to the new one?

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-Can you tell exactly what passes

-from the old candle to the new?

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-When you ask yourself

-those questions, what comes to mind?

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-Is it the same flame?

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-Or is it an energy force...

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-..which passes

-from one thing to the other?

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-He tried to explain reincarnation

-in those terms.

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-Where do you believe

-my father is now?

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-The most truthful answer...

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-..is that I don't know.

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-If I pretended to know,

-that wouldn't be a plausible answer.

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-There is no pretence

-when it comes to Buddhism.

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-There is no acting involved.

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-It's all to do

-with personal experience...

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-..and where you perceive yourself

-to be in the world.

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-Perhaps he has become

-part of another person.

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-That's a possibility.

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-His energy might have been

-passed on to a different generation.

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-I felt at peace.

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-I felt that all stress...

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-..or any pressure

-that I was under...

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-..had left my body.

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-Thinking about Dadi...

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-..made me feel close to him.

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-I think Dadi...

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-..would have liked what I just did.

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-It's something

-I'm interested in doing again.

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-It's been quite surreal.

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-But that's

-what I liked so much about it.

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-When Dadi was young,

-he went to a Spiritualist centre...

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-..where he was told

-he had a powerful spirit guide.

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-When coincidences or good things

-happen, I always think it's Dadi.

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-Is this true?

-Is Dadi still looking after me?

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-After a person dies...

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-..the spirit leaves the body.

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-They spirits enter...

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-..what we call the spirit world.

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-From there...

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-..they can communicate

-with some people on earth...

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-..people who have learnt

-how to communicate.

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-Those people are called mediums.

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-He's talking about the person

-with a heart attack.

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-They come back...

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-..to give loved ones support.

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-They no longer have a body...

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-..in the spirit world...

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-..and they know

-we are still on earth...

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-..perhaps worrying about them.

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-Often they want to come back to let

-people know that they are well...

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-..but they can see

-what we are going through.

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-Just because

-you can't see something...

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-..doesn't mean it isn't there.

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-Like love, you can't see it...

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-..but you can feel it.

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-I can still feel Dadi's presence.

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-Is that what you mean?

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-Yes.

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-He's still watching over you

-as his daughter...

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-..and he still loves you.

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-It's reasonable then to assume...

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-..that he is around you.

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-I know he's going to miss out

-on a lot of my life...

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-..but...

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-..thinking about the other life

-I'll have after death...

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-..the life

-I'll be able to live with him...

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-..is lovely.

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-I know I'm crying.

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-However,

-I'm crying tears of joy because...

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-..because...

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-..I know it was something

-Dadi was interested in.

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-So tonight...

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-..I feel even more aware

-of his presence than usual.

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-And that's lovely.

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-On the day Dadi died,

-he was working...

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-..with Only Men Aloud

-and they were with him to the end.

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-It's only right

-that I speak to Tim Rhys Evans too.

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-I feel that somehow my life

-has come full circle.

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-I know that Dadi's journey

-ended with Only Men Aloud...

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-..because you were with him

-during Dadi's final moments.

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-Now Finn and I

-are in Only Kids Aloud...

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-..so it feels

-as if it connects in some way.

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-Is it a coincidence

-or has Dadi played a part in that?

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-Oh, I'm sure your father...

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-..has played a substantial part

-in your spiritual journey.

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-Sometimes I feel

-your father's influence...

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-..on my life nowadays.

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-I was only a friend

-of your father's...

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-..and one of his clients.

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-But the support he gave me...

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-..the support

-Joe gave me personally...

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-..and with Only Men Aloud

-was tremendous.

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-It's so sad...

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-..that he never lived

-to enjoy the success.

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-But when you came to the audition

-for Only Kids Aloud...

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-..I was delighted.

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-I thought, Joe is still here...

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-..with you both.

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-Joe, thank you for everything.

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-Oh, thank you, Tim.

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-I've been able to get accustomed

-with the situation...

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-..by taking elements

-from each religion I've explored.

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-They all...

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-..follow some sort of pattern.

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-Life doesn't just stop.

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-There is some sort of life

-after death too.

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-I've embraced aspects of each one...

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-..and come up with my own belief.

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-Do I think I'll see Dadi again?

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-Yes, I do.

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-Do I want to see Dadi again? Yes.

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-Will that take a long time?

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-Yes, most probably, but

-I'm willing to wait an eternity...

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-..because...

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-..because he's my father...

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-..and I know now

-that wherever he is...

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-..he's still watching over us...

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-..and I'm going to see him again.

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