Rhodri Morgan

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-In the year 2000, -Rhodri Morgan's dream...	0:00:02	0:00:04
-..of becoming Wales's leader -was finally realized.	0:00:05	0:00:08
-At the time, no-one was more proud -than his mother.	0:00:08	0:00:12
-He's my son.	0:00:12	0:00:14
-I can't differentiate...	0:00:14	0:00:17
-..between him being my son...	0:00:17	0:00:20
-..and him being a politician.	0:00:20	0:00:23
-What kind of man is the politician?	0:00:24	0:00:27
-What are the events and influences -that have shaped his personality...	0:00:27	0:00:31
-..and his loyalty -to the Labour Party?	0:00:31	0:00:34
-To what extent has the man -and the politician changed?	0:00:34	0:00:38
-Having become First Minister...	0:00:38	0:00:42
-..he's become more involved...	0:00:42	0:00:44
-..with the Welsh-speaking -heartlands, literature and culture.	0:00:45	0:00:50
-That's transformed his life.	0:00:50	0:00:52
-It's made him, in my view, -far more like my father...	0:00:52	0:00:57
-..and my grandfather -and my forefathers.	0:00:58	0:01:02
-Not only their radicalism -but their interest in eisteddfodau.	0:01:02	0:01:06
-What you see is what you get -with Rhodri.	0:01:10	0:01:13
-What you see is a man being true -to his own values and attitudes...	0:01:13	0:01:17
-..and not going around every ten -minutes apologizing for it.	0:01:17	0:01:21
-He's sincere, he's genuine. -That's why people love him.	0:01:21	0:01:24
-Rhodri Morgan was our man...	0:01:28	0:01:30
-..who was unfairly treated -by the posh Englishman in London.	0:01:31	0:01:35
-Since then...	0:01:35	0:01:37
-..I think Rhodri Morgan -has risen above politics.	0:01:37	0:01:41
-We evaluate his contribution...	0:01:42	0:01:44
-..and set him on a different -pedestal to other politicians.	0:01:44	0:01:48
-People think he's a good man -and one of us.	0:01:48	0:01:52
-He's wanted this -right from the very start.	0:01:56	0:02:02
-He said he wanted -to break his ties with London.	0:02:02	0:02:05
-He's achieved his desire.	0:02:07	0:02:11
-That's nice for him.	0:02:12	0:02:15
-At his home, in Michaelston-Le-Pit -on the outskirts of Cardiff...	0:02:25	0:02:29
-..Rhodri Morgan -is getting ready for his retirement.	0:02:30	0:02:33
-Part of a field has been turned -into a large garden...	0:02:33	0:02:37
-..where the former First Minister -flexes his green fingers.	0:02:37	0:02:41
-I've converted a field -into a garden or an allotment.	0:02:41	0:02:45
-It's a continuous struggle.	0:02:45	0:02:47
-You have to weed it all the time.	0:02:48	0:02:50
-To be honest, I enjoy weeding.	0:02:50	0:02:52
-If you enjoy weeding, -I think you can succeed in politics.	0:02:53	0:02:57
-That's Morgan's First Principle.	0:02:57	0:03:00
-That's a reasonable carrot.	0:03:01	0:03:03
-I don't think it would win -any prizes in a show...	0:03:04	0:03:07
-..but it's more than acceptable -as a carrot.	0:03:08	0:03:11
-Have you taken up gardening -recently?	0:03:11	0:03:14
-No. I'd do a lot in the garden -with Tad-cu and Dad.	0:03:14	0:03:17
-During the war, and after the war, -everyone dug for victory.	0:03:18	0:03:22
-We'd grow all sorts - celery and -food not available in the shops.	0:03:22	0:03:27
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-Rhodri Morgan was born during the -first year of the Second World War.	0:03:29	0:03:33
-The siren which warned -of the approaching German planes...	0:03:33	0:03:37
-..greatly influenced his childhood.	0:03:37	0:03:40
-War was the greatest influence.	0:03:42	0:03:45
-We lived next door -to the police station in Radyr.	0:03:45	0:03:49
-When the air raid siren -was sounded...	0:03:49	0:03:52
-..it went off about ten yards from -my ear when I was trying to sleep.	0:03:52	0:03:57
-The siren was in the garden -of the house next door.	0:03:57	0:04:03
-I can just remember Mam -taking me and Prys downstairs...	0:04:03	0:04:07
-..and pitching the camp bed -under the stairs.	0:04:07	0:04:10
-We'd sleep under the stairs -until the morning.	0:04:10	0:04:15
-The family lived in this house -in Radyr.	0:04:16	0:04:20
-He had a comfortable upbringing...	0:04:21	0:04:23
-..surrounded my a middle-class -Welsh family.	0:04:24	0:04:27
-His mother, Huana, was an author.	0:04:27	0:04:29
-His father, T J Morgan, -was an academic...	0:04:30	0:04:32
-..who became Professor of Welsh -at the University of Wales.	0:04:32	0:04:36
-Rhodri and Prys's upbringing -was steeped in Welsh culture.	0:04:36	0:04:40
-After the war, -when petrol was re-introduced...	0:04:40	0:04:45
-..we would attend the Welsh chapel -in the morning in Gwaelod-y-Garth...	0:04:45	0:04:50
-..and Tabernacl in the Hayes -for Sunday school in the afternoon.	0:04:50	0:04:55
-During my first few years, -in terms of religion...	0:04:55	0:04:59
-..I was with Methodists -in the English Sunday school...	0:04:59	0:05:04
-..I was with Congregationalists -in Gwaelod-y-Garth in the morning...	0:05:04	0:05:10
-..and the Baptists -in the afternoon in the Hayes.	0:05:10	0:05:14
-My experience of religion -caused a lot of confusion.	0:05:14	0:05:19
-There were so many -different influences...	0:05:19	0:05:22
-..with different denominations -and languages...	0:05:22	0:05:27
-..during my early years.	0:05:27	0:05:30
-In Radyr and the rest of Cardiff...	0:05:33	0:05:36
-..opportunities to speak Welsh -were scarce...	0:05:36	0:05:40
-..in the 1940s and 1950s.	0:05:40	0:05:42
-However, Welsh was the language -spoken at home.	0:05:43	0:05:46
-We spoke Welsh...	0:05:47	0:05:49
-..surrounded by the English language -spoken in the village.	0:05:49	0:05:55
-Only one other child spoke Welsh.	0:05:55	0:05:58
-In Ty'r Cymry, -there was a fledgling Welsh school.	0:05:59	0:06:03
-Every Saturday morning...	0:06:03	0:06:05
-..parents could take their children -there to socialize.	0:06:05	0:06:09
-That was the start of Welsh-language -education in Cardiff.	0:06:09	0:06:13
-We'd meet on Saturday mornings, -any Welsh parents who had children.	0:06:13	0:06:19
-We'd meet in Ty'r Cymry.	0:06:19	0:06:21
-The children would play together...	0:06:21	0:06:24
-..and they realized that there -were other children who spoke Welsh.	0:06:24	0:06:29
-This kind of upbringing would have -led many to become nationalists...	0:06:31	0:06:36
-..but not Rhodri Morgan.	0:06:37	0:06:39
-Rhodri was influenced strongly -by the chapel...	0:06:40	0:06:46
-..academia and Welsh culture...	0:06:46	0:06:50
-..and the obsession -our family had with culture.	0:06:50	0:06:54
-My mother was an author -and my father was also an author.	0:06:55	0:06:58
-In some ways, -it's a natural progression.	0:07:00	0:07:03
-I wasn't the rebellious type...	0:07:04	0:07:06
-..but if Rhodri wanted to express -his personality in any way...	0:07:06	0:07:11
-..he had to somehow escape -from all these influences.	0:07:12	0:07:16
-You've always been someone -who's weighed everything up.	0:07:16	0:07:21
-Did you join the Labour movement -after weighing up all your options?	0:07:21	0:07:27
-No, no - instinct.	0:07:27	0:07:29
-No, I didn't ponder which party -I should choose, not at all.	0:07:29	0:07:34
-There was never a choice for me.	0:07:34	0:07:36
-Not at all. -It was entirely instinctive.	0:07:37	0:07:39
-There was no choice. -There was only one choice.	0:07:40	0:07:43
-Why was there only one choice?	0:07:46	0:07:48
-What was responsible creating -the instinct that led him to Labour?	0:07:48	0:07:53
-His first political meeting -was dramatic and memorable.	0:07:53	0:07:58
-I remember him asking me -to take him to a political meeting.	0:07:59	0:08:06
-He was about 13 years old.	0:08:08	0:08:11
-To my surprise, -he stood up to ask a question.	0:08:11	0:08:14
-During the meeting, Rhodri -saw the speaker given a hard time...	0:08:15	0:08:19
-..by Radyr's Tories.	0:08:20	0:08:22
-The politician under pressure -was Labour's Dorothy Rees.	0:08:22	0:08:27
-There were shouts and screams -from every corner.	0:08:28	0:08:32
-As a woman, she had never -experienced anything like this.	0:08:32	0:08:38
-She couldn't cope -with the experience.	0:08:38	0:08:41
-There was an undercurrent -of hate towards her...	0:08:41	0:08:45
-..from about 150 people -in a packed room.	0:08:46	0:08:49
-It was sad but no-one could suggest -that politics was boring...	0:08:50	0:08:55
-..if they were present -at that meeting in the village hall.	0:08:55	0:09:00
-Young Rhodri had a special reason -to thank Labour after the war.	0:09:02	0:09:07
-Aneurin Bevan was the founder -of the National Health Service.	0:09:08	0:09:12
-Rhodri remembers the experience -of being treated before and after...	0:09:12	0:09:17
-..the new service was introduced.	0:09:17	0:09:20
-What I remember, it's something -that's stayed with me to this day...	0:09:20	0:09:25
-..is having a private operation -in 1946 or 1947.	0:09:25	0:09:31
-I felt it was disgraceful that I -had to urinate into a milk bottle...	0:09:31	0:09:36
-..each time I wanted to go -to the toilet.	0:09:36	0:09:39
-An empty milk bottle, of course!	0:09:40	0:09:42
-Somehow or other, -I didn't feel that was right.	0:09:42	0:09:47
-It was a disgrace asking a young boy -to urinate into a milk bottle.	0:09:47	0:09:51
-For some reason, it upset me.	0:09:52	0:09:54
-Two years later, when the National -Health Service was introduced...	0:09:54	0:09:59
-..I was allowed to urinate -into a suitable plastic container.	0:09:59	0:10:04
-A container that was fitting -for the job in hand.	0:10:04	0:10:08
-It made me a fan of the NHS -right from the outset.	0:10:08	0:10:14
-There was another influential -person in the family's history...	0:10:15	0:10:20
-..author and nationalist -Saunders Lewis.	0:10:20	0:10:22
-Lewis and Rhodri's father were -divided over one particular issue.	0:10:23	0:10:27
-In the 1930s, -during the Spanish Civil War...	0:10:31	0:10:35
-..many Welsh soldiers -fought against General Franco.	0:10:35	0:10:39
-Saunders Lewis supported Franco.	0:10:41	0:10:44
-Rhodri's father didn't.	0:10:44	0:10:46
-Even though Dad greatly respected -Saunders's literary work...	0:10:50	0:10:55
-..they had intense arguments -about the Spanish Civil War...	0:10:55	0:11:00
-..during the 1930s.	0:11:00	0:11:02
-Dad supported the Republicans -and Saunders supported Franco.	0:11:03	0:11:07
-Dad never forgave Saunders -for supporting Franco.	0:11:07	0:11:11
-Rhodri's father and Saunders Lewis -were adjudicators...	0:11:13	0:11:17
-..at the Denbigh Eisteddfod in 1939.	0:11:18	0:11:21
-They stayed in a mansion -owned by a wealthy landowner.	0:11:21	0:11:24
-Breakfast time was an uneasy -experience for TJ Morgan.	0:11:25	0:11:29
-Every morning, over a boiled egg...	0:11:31	0:11:33
-..he would listen to Saunders -and the landowner...	0:11:33	0:11:36
-..lauding Franco -for winning the Spanish Civil War.	0:11:37	0:11:40
-It made my father's stomach churn -and he couldn't eat his breakfast.	0:11:40	0:11:44
-Both would cross swords again -some years later...	0:11:46	0:11:49
-..over an election to Westminster.	0:11:49	0:11:52
-During that time, the University -of Wales had its own MP.	0:11:52	0:11:57
-In a by-election in 1943...	0:11:58	0:12:00
-..the nationalist candidate -for the seat was Saunders Lewis.	0:12:00	0:12:05
-He was beaten -by Liberal WJ Gruffydd.	0:12:05	0:12:10
-Gruffydd's agent -was Rhodri's father.	0:12:10	0:12:13
-He was also the sub-editor -of the magazine, Y Llenor.	0:12:13	0:12:17
-For five years, the magazine -was boycotted by the nationalists...	0:12:19	0:12:23
-..only because it had been -established by WJ Gruffydd...	0:12:23	0:12:27
-..the politician who kept -Saunders Lewis out of Parliament.	0:12:29	0:12:34
-Kate Roberts said, on the Eisteddfod -field, if I remember correctly...	0:12:35	0:12:40
-..Kate told my father...	0:12:41	0:12:43
-.."Well, TJ, don't you know -that we vowed after the war...	0:12:43	0:12:48
-.."that while WJ Gruffydd's name -remained on the cover of Y Llenor...	0:12:48	0:12:53
-.."we, and other nationalists, -would not contribute to the Llenor?	0:12:53	0:12:58
-"We won't buy the magazine -or contribute any features to it."	0:12:58	0:13:03
-It was the first time my father -became aware of this vow.	0:13:03	0:13:07
-The split in Welsh culture -was very deep.	0:13:08	0:13:14
-TJ Morgan had to write -most of Y Llenor for five years.	0:13:15	0:13:21
-Rhodri was a child -during his father's battles...	0:13:23	0:13:27
-..with Saunders Lewis over Franco, -WJ Gruffydd and Y Llenor...	0:13:27	0:13:32
-..but the battles -greatly influenced him.	0:13:32	0:13:35
-It sunk in, somehow or other.	0:13:35	0:13:37
-Saunders supported Franco -during the Second World War...	0:13:37	0:13:42
-..and his friends boycotted -Y Llenor after the war.	0:13:42	0:13:46
-That's the image of Saunders -I had in my head...	0:13:47	0:13:50
-..not the popular image -of Saunders...	0:13:50	0:13:53
-..being able to foresee -the future of Wales.	0:13:53	0:13:56
-Many Welsh youngsters hung -on his every word, but not me.	0:13:56	0:14:01
-Rhodri was not interested either...	0:14:03	0:14:06
-..in the excitement -which swept Wales during the 1960s.	0:14:06	0:14:10
-A different world awaited him -in Oxford University and America.	0:14:10	0:14:15
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-At the end of the 1950s, Rhodri -and his brother went to Oxford.	0:14:28	0:14:33
-There, Prys was interviewed -by broadcaster Myfanwy Howell.	0:14:36	0:14:40
-Most Welsh students -attend Jesus College...	0:14:42	0:14:45
-..but my brother and I attend -St John's College.	0:14:45	0:14:48
-What are you studying?	0:14:48	0:14:50
-I'm studying History and my -brother's studying Politics - PPE.	0:14:50	0:14:55
-Neither of you have followed -in your father's footsteps.	0:14:56	0:14:59
-It's nice to hear you -speaking Welsh, though.	0:15:00	0:15:03
-Both were keen members -of Oxford's Welsh society...	0:15:03	0:15:07
-..the Dafydd ap Gwilym Society.	0:15:08	0:15:10
-"The Rattlebag.	0:15:11	0:15:13
-"As I was, easiest praise..."	0:15:13	0:15:16
-However, by now, Rhodri was tiring -of Welsh culture at home.	0:15:16	0:15:20
-It was the obsession with culture...	0:15:22	0:15:26
-..that Rhodri found suffocated him -as a young boy.	0:15:27	0:15:30
-His life was overrun -with all this culture...	0:15:30	0:15:33
-..the Urdd, the school eisteddfod...	0:15:33	0:15:37
-..and all the cultural mania -we had as a family.	0:15:37	0:15:41
-"The second meeting -of the trinity season."	0:15:42	0:15:45
-The Dafydd ap Gwilym Society...	0:15:46	0:15:48
-..kept the cultural mania -alive in Oxford...	0:15:48	0:15:51
-..but back in Wales, -there was a nationalistic revival.	0:15:51	0:15:57
-The first catalyst for the revival -was flooding Tryweryn.	0:15:57	0:16:01
-It affected a generation -of young Welsh people...	0:16:02	0:16:05
-..who would fuel the rise -of nationalism during the 1960s.	0:16:05	0:16:09
-But it did not affect Rhodri Morgan.	0:16:09	0:16:11
-After graduating from Oxford, he -continued his studies in America...	0:16:18	0:16:22
-..at Harvard University.	0:16:22	0:16:25
-This young student missed out -on the political excitement at home.	0:16:25	0:16:29
-I remember historian John Davies -saying...	0:16:29	0:16:33
-..that it was such a shame -that Rhodri and I...	0:16:33	0:16:37
-..didn't know prominent people...	0:16:37	0:16:40
-..who came to the fore -between 1956 and 1964.	0:16:40	0:16:44
-Rhodri and I were in Oxford -and Rhodri then went to America.	0:16:44	0:16:48
-John Davies claimed that we missed -out on getting acquainted...	0:16:48	0:16:52
-..with a generation -of prominent people.	0:16:52	0:16:55
-John said it was a fault in us both, -as brothers.	0:16:55	0:16:58
-I agree that it's true.	0:16:59	0:17:01
-Rhodri wasn't influenced by Welsh -nationalists as a student...	0:17:01	0:17:06
-..towards the end of the 1950s.	0:17:06	0:17:08
-The story could have been different -had we gone to Aberystwyth.	0:17:08	0:17:13
-The second catalyst -for the revival...	0:17:15	0:17:18
-..was Saunders Lewis's -radio lecture in 1962...	0:17:18	0:17:22
-..calling for a revolution -to save the language.	0:17:22	0:17:26
-Cymdeithas Yr Iaith -was founded in 1963.	0:17:26	0:17:29
-The society's first protest was held -on Trefechan Bridge in Aberystwyth.	0:17:29	0:17:34
-Rhodri Morgan -missed these events too.	0:17:36	0:17:40
-I remember the Swansea -National Eisteddfod in 1964.	0:17:40	0:17:45
-Saunders addressed a meeting -on the Eisteddfod field...	0:17:45	0:17:50
-..on the future -of the Welsh language and nation.	0:17:50	0:17:54
-There was a person there, -I didn't know him...	0:17:54	0:17:57
-..but he was excited -by Saunders's words.	0:17:57	0:18:00
-I realized -there was a level of interest...	0:18:00	0:18:04
-..and groundswell of views towards -the future of the Welsh nation...	0:18:04	0:18:09
-..but none of it appealed to me.	0:18:10	0:18:12
-The priority for Rhodri -and many graduates of this time...	0:18:14	0:18:19
-..was finding work.	0:18:19	0:18:21
-Many of the old industries -were waning in Wales.	0:18:21	0:18:26
-The economy was in a fragile state.	0:18:26	0:18:29
-In the 1964 General Election...	0:18:31	0:18:33
-..Harold Wilson -became a Labour Prime Minister.	0:18:34	0:18:37
-After a long period -of Conservative governments...	0:18:37	0:18:41
-..people were ready for change.	0:18:41	0:18:43
-Our family had differing opinions.	0:18:45	0:18:48
-Dad, on the whole, voted Labour.	0:18:48	0:18:51
-Mam, on the whole, -voted for Plaid Cymru.	0:18:51	0:18:56
-Rhodri felt that the only party -with any hope...	0:18:57	0:19:00
-..and this was before -Gwynfor's by-election...	0:19:01	0:19:04
-..the only party with any hope -of doing anything for Wales...	0:19:04	0:19:09
-..was the Labour Party.	0:19:09	0:19:11
-He wanted to work -through the Labour Party...	0:19:11	0:19:14
-..supporting Cledwyn, Goronwy -Roberts and Gwilym Prys Davies.	0:19:15	0:19:19
-Rhodri lived in a flat -in the capital city by 1964.	0:19:20	0:19:24
-He was joined there -by a young Labour supporter...	0:19:24	0:19:27
-..who would seal his support -for Labour.	0:19:28	0:19:31
-Someone said the student leader -from Cardiff University...	0:19:31	0:19:35
-..was looking to rent a room.	0:19:35	0:19:37
-He didn't have a clue -how to look after himself.	0:19:38	0:19:41
-He couldn't even tie -his own shoelaces...	0:19:41	0:19:45
-..but his girlfriend -came from north Wales...	0:19:45	0:19:48
-..and she was a great cook.	0:19:48	0:19:51
-Rhodri was asked to offer this man, -Kinnock, a room in the flat.	0:19:51	0:19:55
-Neil moved into this room.	0:19:55	0:19:57
-He was great company...	0:20:00	0:20:02
-..and he persuaded Rhodri -to join the Labour Party.	0:20:02	0:20:07
-In Cardiff, the 1964 Election was -an opportunity for Rhodri Morgan...	0:20:08	0:20:14
-..to canvass voters -for the first time...	0:20:14	0:20:17
-..and ensure James Callaghan's -safe passage back to Parliament.	0:20:17	0:20:21
-He was joined by another -Labour supporter - Julie.	0:20:21	0:20:25
-Three years later, -they were married.	0:20:26	0:20:29
-Seeing the world beyond Wales.	0:20:32	0:20:35
-Too much cultural mania -in the family.	0:20:35	0:20:37
-The importance of the economy.	0:20:38	0:20:40
-And the influence -of his best friend, Neil Kinnock.	0:20:40	0:20:43
-These were the influences which led -Rhodri Morgan to the Labour Party.	0:20:43	0:20:48
-Less than 20 years later...	0:20:51	0:20:53
-..Neil Kinnock -would be the Labour Party leader.	0:20:53	0:20:57
-The only dispute between them -involved devolution.	0:20:57	0:21:01
-Kinnock opposed it, Rhodri Morgan -had always supported it.	0:21:02	0:21:05
-Devolution and the Welsh language...	0:21:08	0:21:11
-..would split -Labour in Wales for decades.	0:21:11	0:21:14
-Members in the Valleys were wary -of the Welsh speakers in the party.	0:21:14	0:21:19
-They included Elystan Morgan -and Cledwyn Hughes.	0:21:19	0:21:23
-The most significant piece of work -I ever read about Rhodri Morgan...	0:21:26	0:21:32
-..was written by Kevin Morgan -and Geoff Mungham.	0:21:33	0:21:36
-It's one of the more recent books -about devolution.	0:21:36	0:21:40
-It claimed that Rhodri Morgan...	0:21:40	0:21:43
-..wasn't accepted -by Labour members in the Valleys...	0:21:43	0:21:47
-..because he wasn't one of them, -culturally.	0:21:47	0:21:51
-People were aware -that his background...	0:21:51	0:21:54
-..and early life experiences -differed from theirs.	0:21:54	0:21:58
-A sense of distance and separation -developed from there.	0:21:58	0:22:03
-At a time when people -started accepting him...	0:22:03	0:22:06
-..there was an acknowledgement -from both sides...	0:22:07	0:22:10
-..that the background and -the experiences were very different.	0:22:10	0:22:15
-Welsh speakers normally have -a bumpy ride in the Labour Party...	0:22:15	0:22:20
-..particularly in south Wales.	0:22:22	0:22:24
-Labour's power -has always been in south Wales.	0:22:24	0:22:28
-I remember vividly, -I won't name names...	0:22:30	0:22:34
-..but I was talking to Rhodri Morgan -in Transport House in Welsh...	0:22:34	0:22:40
-..and someone came over and said...	0:22:40	0:22:43
-.."Don't speak that language -in front of us."	0:22:43	0:22:48
-The man was a union leader -in south Wales.	0:22:48	0:22:52
-I think -if Rhodri had spoken Welsh...	0:22:52	0:22:55
-..more regularly -in the Labour Party...	0:22:55	0:22:59
-..he wouldn't have had -the success he had.	0:22:59	0:23:02
-But Rhodri Morgan has been true to -his Welsh roots throughout his life.	0:23:05	0:23:10
-That includes regular visits -to the west coast of Wales.	0:23:12	0:23:16
-This is where the family came -on holiday when he was a child.	0:23:16	0:23:20
-He continued to come here with Julie -and their three children.	0:23:20	0:23:25
-He now brings his eight -grandchildren here too.	0:23:25	0:23:29
-Only a rather -unconventional person...	0:23:30	0:23:34
-..would spend every summer holiday -over the past 40 years...	0:23:34	0:23:38
-..in a caravan in Mwnt.	0:23:38	0:23:40
-I started visiting Mwnt -with my parents 63 years ago...	0:23:42	0:23:48
-..from 1946...	0:23:48	0:23:49
-..as soon as they'd rolled -the barbed wire from the beach...	0:23:50	0:23:54
-..after the Second World War.	0:23:54	0:23:56
-We started staying in the caravan -with the children 40 years ago.	0:23:56	0:24:01
-They come down now -and stay here with their children.	0:24:01	0:24:04
-Three generations -of the Morgan family...	0:24:04	0:24:07
-..have spent a lot of time -on Mwnt beach.	0:24:07	0:24:10
-Sometimes, I need time -to catch up on my sleep.	0:24:10	0:24:14
-I have the odd nap in the afternoon -after a bellyful of sandwiches...	0:24:14	0:24:21
-..and some coffee from the stall.	0:24:21	0:24:24
-We spend a lot of time -swimming in the sea.	0:24:25	0:24:28
-Julie and I are slow swimmers...	0:24:28	0:24:31
-..but we are swimmers -who can stay in the water...	0:24:31	0:24:37
-..for an hour or two.	0:24:37	0:24:39
-We walk along the coastline.	0:24:39	0:24:42
-We watch the seals and dolphins -that swim close to the shore.	0:24:43	0:24:48
-We read books - -we read a lot of books...	0:24:49	0:24:51
-..not only political biographies...	0:24:52	0:24:54
-..but novels that can detach -a person from the political world.	0:24:55	0:25:00
-But until his late 40s...	0:25:01	0:25:03
-..there was no need -to visit west Wales...	0:25:03	0:25:06
-..to escape any political pressure.	0:25:07	0:25:09
-For around 20 years, -he was a civil servant in Cardiff...	0:25:10	0:25:13
-..working for the TUC, -the Welsh Office...	0:25:13	0:25:16
-..South Glamorgan Council -and the European Community.	0:25:16	0:25:19
-He was 48 years old before he stood -for Parliament for the first time.	0:25:19	0:25:24
-He was elected -in the Cardiff West constituency.	0:25:25	0:25:28
-Rhodri Morgan, -the Labour Party candidate...	0:25:29	0:25:32
-..20,329.	0:25:33	0:25:35
-You are seeing -in front of you tonight...	0:25:38	0:25:41
-..a very tired -but very happy Welshman.	0:25:41	0:25:44
-A lucrative career awaited him -in the House of Commons.	0:25:45	0:25:49
-Within 13 years, he'd reach the -pinnacle of Welsh political life.	0:25:49	0:25:53
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-For ten years...	0:26:06	0:26:07
-..Rhodri Morgan was a Labour MP -during a Conservative Government.	0:26:07	0:26:12
-He was seen as a maverick...	0:26:13	0:26:15
-..a thorn in the side -of institutions, such as the WDA.	0:26:16	0:26:19
-He was very unpredictable.	0:26:20	0:26:22
-The Welsh Grand Committee -blows off steam in Cardiff...	0:26:24	0:26:29
-..and Llanfairpwllgwyngyll.	0:26:29	0:26:32
-He opposed the construction -of the Cardiff Bay Barrage...	0:26:32	0:26:36
-..because of the increased risk -of flooding in his constituency.	0:26:36	0:26:41
-The arguments -for and against the barrage...	0:26:42	0:26:46
-..are controlled by the nature -of the River Taff.	0:26:46	0:26:50
-As you can see, -it's a fast-flowing river.	0:26:50	0:26:53
-Its level can rise in six hours...	0:26:53	0:26:56
-..after heavy rainfall in -the Valleys or the Brecon Beacons.	0:26:56	0:27:00
-As the level subsides, -it leaves all this rubbish behind.	0:27:01	0:27:05
-You can see plastic bags, -toilet paper, all sorts of rubbish.	0:27:06	0:27:11
-It's rubbish from the Valleys...	0:27:11	0:27:13
-..that's forced -out of the sewers by rainwater.	0:27:14	0:27:18
-The barrage was built...	0:27:18	0:27:20
-..but not before Rhodri offered many -amendments to the Parliament Bill.	0:27:21	0:27:25
-According to one MP...	0:27:25	0:27:27
-..the debate raged on longer -than the First World War.	0:27:27	0:27:30
-During the 1990s, -his popular image improved...	0:27:31	0:27:35
-..over a debate -about Lottery funding.	0:27:35	0:27:38
-There were two applications -for funding in Cardiff...	0:27:38	0:27:41
-..the first, to build -an opera house in Cardiff Bay.	0:27:42	0:27:45
-Rhodri supported the application -for a new rugby stadium.	0:27:45	0:27:49
-He was evidently not an opera buff.	0:27:49	0:27:52
-I don't think people in Splott -are queuing up...	0:27:53	0:27:56
-..for the first performance -in 2000...	0:27:56	0:27:58
-..of Wagner's Ring Cycle.	0:27:59	0:28:02
-Being outspoken -was more important to him..	0:28:02	0:28:05
-..than building -a respectable image.	0:28:06	0:28:08
-In terms of his dress sense, -he appeared rather shabby.	0:28:09	0:28:12
-In this college photo, brother Prys -is wearing a formal jacket.	0:28:15	0:28:20
-As is just about everyone else -in the photograph.	0:28:20	0:28:23
-All except Rhodri.	0:28:23	0:28:25
-From the very beginning, -his public image and appearance...	0:28:25	0:28:29
-..have never been a priority -for him.	0:28:29	0:28:31
-No, it hasn't been.	0:28:32	0:28:34
-I hope people accept that some -people worry about their image...	0:28:34	0:28:39
-..and other people don't.	0:28:39	0:28:41
-It's not a priority of mine.	0:28:41	0:28:43
-That's how it is.	0:28:45	0:28:47
-I remember travelling along the M4 -and stopping in a service station.	0:28:48	0:28:54
-I bought some eggs, toast and tea.	0:28:54	0:28:59
-I went to pay for it -and the cashier said...	0:28:59	0:29:02
-.."Shouldn't you be Transport?"	0:29:03	0:29:05
-These are just my work clothes.	0:29:05	0:29:09
-I need large pockets to hold -envelopes, papers and messages.	0:29:09	0:29:15
-A man's pockets are always bursting -when he's in Parliament.	0:29:15	0:29:19
-In his conduct of life...	0:29:19	0:29:22
-..he wouldn't call himself -immaculately organized.	0:29:22	0:29:26
-He can sometimes look dishevelled, -less now than used to be the case.	0:29:26	0:29:32
-He doesn't give a damn about -the orderliness of life at all...	0:29:32	0:29:37
-..but when it comes to the -self-discipline of commitment...	0:29:37	0:29:43
-..then you will not find anyone -who's more regimented...	0:29:43	0:29:48
-..than Rhodri Morgan.	0:29:48	0:29:50
-In 1997, -after 18 years of Tory rule...	0:29:53	0:29:56
-..Labour swept to power -under the leadership of Tony Blair.	0:29:56	0:30:00
-It was a particularly joyous -election for the Morgan family.	0:30:05	0:30:09
-Julie Morgan was elected -as MP for Cardiff North.	0:30:09	0:30:14
-Rhodri had been Labour Parliamentary -Spokesman for Wales for five years.	0:30:19	0:30:25
-He was the obvious choice as Welsh -Secretary in the new government.	0:30:25	0:30:30
-Tony Blair's choice for the post -was Ron Davies.	0:30:31	0:30:35
-I'm absolutely delighted.	0:30:35	0:30:37
-A shock for the political world, -disappointment for Rhodri.	0:30:37	0:30:42
-The greatest disappointment -in his life...	0:30:44	0:30:47
-..was not being given a role -by Tony Blair...	0:30:48	0:30:51
-..especially after Ron was promoted.	0:30:51	0:30:54
-Rhodri felt he knew more -about devolution than Ron.	0:30:54	0:30:58
-He'd been a supporter of devolution -at a time when Ron wasn't.	0:30:58	0:31:03
-That's how he felt at the time.	0:31:03	0:31:05
-I remember the bitter disappointment -he felt.	0:31:05	0:31:08
-He was bitter -and he was very disappointed.	0:31:08	0:31:11
-I didn't see it as disappointment.	0:31:12	0:31:14
-It was far worse for Julie.	0:31:14	0:31:17
-It was a huge blow for her.	0:31:17	0:31:20
-It took away the elation of winning -her first parliamentary seat.	0:31:20	0:31:25
-For Tony Blair, -the modernizer of New Labour...	0:31:27	0:31:30
-..Rhodri Morgan -was too much of a maverick.	0:31:31	0:31:34
-There is still no other explanation -for not promoting him.	0:31:34	0:31:38
-I was astounded and I told -Tony Blair this, astounded...	0:31:41	0:31:45
-..when Rhodri wasn't appointed...	0:31:45	0:31:48
-..at least to a junior ministership, -in the 1997 government.	0:31:48	0:31:52
-I never got -a really lucid explanation...	0:31:53	0:31:56
-..of Tony Blair's decision.	0:31:56	0:31:58
-I was close to Tony and very -friendly with him, still am.	0:31:59	0:32:04
-But he never gave -a convincing reason...	0:32:05	0:32:08
-..for not including Rhodri Morgan -in his ministerial team.	0:32:08	0:32:12
-One incident might have worked -against Rhodri Morgan.	0:32:14	0:32:19
-A night in 1991 when Tony Blair -spent the night in Rhodri's home.	0:32:19	0:32:24
-As far as I know, he woke up...	0:32:26	0:32:29
-..and he went down -to make a cup of tea.	0:32:30	0:32:32
-My mother-in-law was up early, -at 6.00am.	0:32:33	0:32:36
-He didn't know who she was...	0:32:37	0:32:39
-..and she wasn't sure -who this man was...	0:32:39	0:32:43
-..trying to make a cup of tea -on his own.	0:32:43	0:32:46
-He was a stranger to her.	0:32:46	0:32:49
-She recognized his face -from somewhere.	0:32:49	0:32:52
-He had no idea who this woman was.	0:32:52	0:32:55
-He was rendered speechless.	0:32:59	0:33:01
-In the end, she said, -"I know who you are.	0:33:02	0:33:06
-"You're Lionel Blair, aren't you?"	0:33:06	0:33:09
-I know that happened.	0:33:11	0:33:14
-You'd have to ask Tony Blair -for his own reasons.	0:33:14	0:33:18
-It's all in the past.	0:33:19	0:33:22
-If Blair's choice was Ron Davies...	0:33:24	0:33:26
-..the people's choice -was Rhodri Morgan.	0:33:26	0:33:29
-Soon after the disappointment...	0:33:29	0:33:31
-..Rhodri was invited to address -a Labour Party meeting...	0:33:31	0:33:34
-..in Alan Rogers's constituency -in the Rhondda.	0:33:35	0:33:37
-All the cheers and clapping.	0:33:38	0:33:41
-Everyone was screaming.	0:33:41	0:33:43
-I turned to Alan Rogers and said, -"I didn't know you were so popular."	0:33:43	0:33:49
-"No," he replied, -"That was for you.	0:33:49	0:33:52
-"It's sympathy for you."	0:33:53	0:33:55
-It was such a shock for me...	0:33:56	0:33:58
-..but by the following day...	0:33:59	0:34:02
-..I realized that Tony Blair -might have done me a favour.	0:34:02	0:34:06
-Tony Blair had placed a halo -over my head.	0:34:06	0:34:10
-We love hearing stories in Wales -about people who've been wronged...	0:34:10	0:34:16
-..in eisteddfodau or a referee -in a rugby or football match.	0:34:16	0:34:20
-Somehow or other, Tony Blair -had turned me into the victim...	0:34:20	0:34:26
-..wronged by the establishment.	0:34:26	0:34:29
-That was very handy -two years later...	0:34:29	0:34:33
-..since it gave me a special status -as the people's choice...	0:34:33	0:34:39
-..when the National Assembly -was established.	0:34:40	0:34:44
-When Wales accepted the Assembly -in the 1997 Referendum...	0:34:47	0:34:50
-..Rhodri Morgan, -thanks to Tony Blair...	0:34:51	0:34:53
-..was embarking -on a journey of popularity...	0:34:53	0:34:57
-..which would grow and grow.	0:34:57	0:34:59
-However, there would be more -disappointments on that journey.	0:34:59	0:35:04
-An election was held -to elect a Labour leader in Wales.	0:35:06	0:35:09
-The two candidates -were Rhodri Morgan and Ron Davies.	0:35:10	0:35:13
-There were three colleges -of voters in the election...	0:35:13	0:35:17
-..MPs and AMs, the trade unions -and Labour Party members.	0:35:18	0:35:22
-Rhodri was the choice -of the party members...	0:35:22	0:35:27
-..but it wasn't enough -to defeat Ron Davies.	0:35:27	0:35:31
-However, Ron Davies's reign -was brief.	0:35:39	0:35:41
-After his moment of madness -on Clapham Common, he resigned...	0:35:42	0:35:47
-..sparking a new election -for a Welsh leader.	0:35:48	0:35:51
-Rhodri's opponent this time -was Alun Michael...	0:35:52	0:35:56
-..a fellow MP in Cardiff.	0:35:56	0:35:58
-Unfortunately for Rhodri, -Alun Michael had a powerful ally.	0:36:01	0:36:05
-None other than Tony Blair.	0:36:08	0:36:10
-Once again, the Prime Minister -would stand in his way.	0:36:10	0:36:16
-Once again, he would be defeated -by the Labour establishment.	0:36:16	0:36:20
-Fait accompli, Mr Michael?	0:36:22	0:36:24
-Let's wait and see.	0:36:24	0:36:26
-The overall result...	0:36:34	0:36:36
-..Alun Michael...	0:36:36	0:36:39
-..52.68%.	0:36:39	0:36:44
-Rhodri Morgan...	0:36:44	0:36:46
-..47.32%.	0:36:46	0:36:48
-I therefore declare -that Alun Michael was elected.	0:36:48	0:36:52
-Like Ron Davies before him...	0:36:56	0:36:58
-..Alun Michael also resigned...	0:36:58	0:37:01
-..following protests -about the way he ran the Assembly.	0:37:01	0:37:05
-When the Assembly's Labour Cabinet -elected Rhodri as their leader...	0:37:06	0:37:11
-..he was finally appointed -as First Minister for Wales.	0:37:11	0:37:15
-One of the first people -to congratulate him...	0:37:18	0:37:21
-..was his mother, Huana, -who died five years later...	0:37:21	0:37:25
-..on the eve of her 100th birthday.	0:37:25	0:37:28
-He's wanted this -right from the start, hasn't he?	0:37:29	0:37:35
-He said he wanted to finish -working in London.	0:37:35	0:37:39
-He's had what he wanted.	0:37:41	0:37:45
-That's nice for him.	0:37:46	0:37:48
-He rolled up his sleeves, -he got stuck in...	0:37:51	0:37:54
-..and people said, "Why didn't we -elect this guy before?"	0:37:54	0:37:58
-It's wonderful when that question -was quickly and very broadly asked.	0:37:58	0:38:03
-Not just by people -in the Labour movement...	0:38:04	0:38:07
-..but people well beyond it.	0:38:07	0:38:09
-Why didn't we have this guy before?	0:38:09	0:38:12
-It was a triumph for Rhodri -that the question was asked...	0:38:12	0:38:16
-..and never had to be answered...	0:38:17	0:38:19
-..because everybody knew it was -because of miscalculation...	0:38:19	0:38:25
-..and maybe remoteness by -the leadership of the Labour Party.	0:38:25	0:38:31
-To Tony Blair's credit, -he acknowledged that warmly...	0:38:31	0:38:36
-..without too much delay.	0:38:36	0:38:38
-He was glad to have Rhodri there -in the end.	0:38:38	0:38:41
-Tony Blair has apologized -publicly...	0:38:42	0:38:45
-..saying it was one -of his greatest mistakes.	0:38:45	0:38:48
-When he was asked back in 2000 -what his greatest mistake was...	0:38:48	0:38:53
-..he said not supporting -Rhodri Morgan's efforts...	0:38:53	0:38:57
-..to become -the Labour Party leader in Wales.	0:38:57	0:39:00
-That came out of the blue, -it was totally unexpected.	0:39:00	0:39:05
-He said -that was his greatest mistake.	0:39:05	0:39:08
-Labour were in power -in the Assembly...	0:39:10	0:39:13
-..and the challenge for Rhodri -Morgan for the next ten years...	0:39:13	0:39:16
-..would be holding on to that power.	0:39:17	0:39:19
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-# Happy birthday to you... #	0:39:29	0:39:32
-A few months -after his 60th birthday...	0:39:33	0:39:36
-..Rhodri Morgan -became the Assembly Leader...	0:39:37	0:39:40
-..the third leader in two years.	0:39:40	0:39:42
-Thanks to all -the political dramas...	0:39:43	0:39:46
-..there were concerns -about the integrity of devolution.	0:39:46	0:39:50
-Devolution in Wales -was becoming a laughing stock.	0:39:50	0:39:54
-The English media looked down -their noses at devolution in Wales.	0:39:55	0:40:00
-My first concern -was steadying the ship.	0:40:00	0:40:03
-I just wanted -a plain and simple government.	0:40:03	0:40:07
-I wanted to show people -that we were able to do the job.	0:40:08	0:40:13
-The job included more than one -crisis for the new First Minister.	0:40:14	0:40:18
-One of the worst -was the foot and mouth outbreak.	0:40:19	0:40:22
-The general consensus is that Rhodri -Morgan stabilized the Assembly...	0:40:22	0:40:27
-..during some very difficult times.	0:40:28	0:40:30
-I think he made some significant -moves to stabilize the whole set-up.	0:40:31	0:40:37
-He built the Assembly -on solid foundations...	0:40:37	0:40:40
-..and allowed the Assembly -and the Assembly Government...	0:40:40	0:40:44
-..to build further -on those foundations.	0:40:44	0:40:47
-He's also been successful -in managing coalition governments.	0:40:48	0:40:53
-It's an unfamiliar skill -in the context of British politics.	0:40:53	0:40:59
-The coalition with -the Liberal Party worked smoothly.	0:41:00	0:41:05
-The current coalition -with Plaid Cymru has also worked...	0:41:05	0:41:09
-..even more smoothly than -either party would have expected.	0:41:10	0:41:14
-I think his political skills as -a leader have been underestimated.	0:41:14	0:41:21
-The public image is central to -the way we think of Rhodri Morgan...	0:41:21	0:41:27
-..but we don't see the other aspects -he's contributed to Welsh politics.	0:41:27	0:41:32
-Forming a coalition -with the nationalists...	0:41:34	0:41:37
-..didn't please everyone -in the Labour Party...	0:41:37	0:41:40
-..especially the man who introduced -Rhodri to the Labour Party.	0:41:40	0:41:46
-I was antagonistic -and I remain hostile to coalition.	0:41:46	0:41:50
-Not as a principle - -sometimes, you've got to do it...	0:41:50	0:41:53
-..but strategically in Wales, -I was against it and still am...	0:41:54	0:41:58
-..but it's never come -between Rhodri and myself.	0:41:58	0:42:01
-We still do the Ayatollah together -in Ninian Park.	0:42:01	0:42:05
-Rhodri Morgan -has also been criticized...	0:42:07	0:42:10
-..for not venturing further down -the patriotic road...	0:42:10	0:42:14
-..and for not being more radical -over the past ten years.	0:42:14	0:42:18
-He opposed construction -of a new Assembly building.	0:42:18	0:42:21
-Many were disappointed...	0:42:21	0:42:23
-..that he didn't ask -for more powers for the Assembly.	0:42:23	0:42:26
-He's been very conservative.	0:42:26	0:42:28
-That's what the Welsh nation -might have wanted.	0:42:29	0:42:32
-It may suit us as a nation.	0:42:32	0:42:34
-He could have been more radical...	0:42:34	0:42:37
-..he could have raised -the profile of the Assembly...	0:42:37	0:42:41
-..and he could have challenged -Westminster.	0:42:41	0:42:45
-For Rhodri Morgan...	0:42:46	0:42:48
-..challenging Westminster was -not the way to develop the Assembly.	0:42:48	0:42:52
-He wanted to appease the Welsh -public to gain support.	0:42:52	0:42:56
-The Assembly has secured -limited law-making powers...	0:42:56	0:43:00
-..but some people believe he should -have fought for more powers.	0:43:00	0:43:05
-In the current situation...	0:43:06	0:43:08
-..Welsh MPs in Westminster -have more powers...	0:43:08	0:43:14
-..than they had -before the Assembly was created.	0:43:14	0:43:19
-I don't know -if that was Rhodri Morgan's aim...	0:43:19	0:43:22
-..but that's the current situation.	0:43:22	0:43:25
-Political skills are far from -Rhodri Morgan's mind these days.	0:43:27	0:43:31
-He wants to develop -traditional skills.	0:43:32	0:43:36
-I want to do more woodwork and DIY.	0:43:37	0:43:41
-I've lost a lot of skills...	0:43:41	0:43:43
-..and I'm eager to regain -the skills I had in 1987...	0:43:43	0:43:48
-..when I became an MP.	0:43:48	0:43:51
-I was quite handy with my tools.	0:43:51	0:43:53
-Now then, -the runner beans have grown well.	0:43:53	0:43:57
-I have a book entitled -"Every Month In Your Allotment".	0:43:58	0:44:02
-It will be my new Bible.	0:44:02	0:44:04
-The cabbage have grown well. -Plenty of cabbage.	0:44:05	0:44:08
-One of the other skills -he's still developing...	0:44:12	0:44:16
-..is bringing together the two -heritages he faced as a young man.	0:44:16	0:44:21
-The cultural heritage which was -stronger in west and north Wales...	0:44:22	0:44:27
-..and the industrial Wales -of south Wales...	0:44:28	0:44:31
-..which was far more important -to Rhodri during the 1960s.	0:44:31	0:44:34
-He sees the importance of bridging -the gap between both traditions.	0:44:35	0:44:40
-It has been very difficult, -up until the period of devolution...	0:44:40	0:44:45
-..to combine these two versions -of Welsh history.	0:44:45	0:44:50
-You chose the industrial heritage.	0:44:50	0:44:53
-Most definitely. You can see why.	0:44:54	0:44:57
-It's historical.	0:44:57	0:44:59
-The pressure on the Welsh economy -when I was growing up...	0:44:59	0:45:02
-..would affect people like me.	0:45:02	0:45:04
-My main concern after graduating -and living in America...	0:45:05	0:45:08
-..was finding gainful employment.	0:45:08	0:45:11
-What kind of work was available -for people like me...	0:45:11	0:45:15
-..as the Welsh economy -deteriorated...	0:45:15	0:45:17
-..during the worst recession seen...	0:45:18	0:45:20
-..until the one -we're experiencing currently.	0:45:20	0:45:23
-In Welsh history...	0:45:25	0:45:27
-..we now know that one man who -inspired the youth of the 1960s...	0:45:27	0:45:31
-..was powerless -to influence Rhodri Morgan.	0:45:32	0:45:35
-The relationship between his father -and the famous author...	0:45:35	0:45:39
-..was one of the reasons why Rhodri -kept away from the nationalists.	0:45:39	0:45:44
-It's interesting to hear Rhodri -talking about Welsh nationalism.	0:45:44	0:45:49
-Saunders Lewis is always central -to the debate.	0:45:49	0:45:53
-Saunders Lewis is far more of -a negative influence for Rhodri...	0:45:53	0:45:58
-..than he was a positive influence -to the leaders of Plaid Cymru.	0:45:58	0:46:04
-He still considers Saunders Lewis -a huge influence on Plaid Cymru.	0:46:04	0:46:09
-He measures the gap -between himself and Plaid Cymru...	0:46:09	0:46:14
-..in terms -of his views on Saunders Lewis.	0:46:14	0:46:18
-One feels that Rhodri Morgan -is fighting his father's battles.	0:46:18	0:46:22
-Another aspect that incensed -my father about Saunders's ideas...	0:46:24	0:46:29
-..was Saunders's views -about the Welsh nation.	0:46:29	0:46:33
-You should never eradicate...	0:46:34	0:46:37
-..the poverty -of the working class in Wales.	0:46:37	0:46:41
-They should stay poor...	0:46:42	0:46:44
-..until they were educated -to appreciate the importance...	0:46:44	0:46:48
-..of our heritage, -history and language.	0:46:49	0:46:52
-That incensed Dad.	0:46:52	0:46:54
-He had come from the working class.	0:46:54	0:46:56
-His father was a miner and his -brother, my Uncle Gwyn, was a miner.	0:46:57	0:47:02
-Rhodri Morgan's radical ancestry -stretches back many generations.	0:47:05	0:47:10
-At Felindre School, he celebrated -the life of one of his forefathers...	0:47:11	0:47:15
-..who led the Rebecca Riots.	0:47:15	0:47:17
-He's taken more of an interest -in Welsh history and culture.	0:47:17	0:47:22
-The fact that he had responsibility -for Welsh culture...	0:47:25	0:47:31
-..has led him back to the -cultural tradition of our family.	0:47:31	0:47:37
-Rhodri Morgan helped out -in the garden when he was a child.	0:47:39	0:47:43
-He's rediscovering the past -in many ways...	0:47:44	0:47:48
-..and especially so since being -elected as First Minister of Wales.	0:47:49	0:47:53
-I know it's changed -Rhodri's personality.	0:47:54	0:47:57
-The fact that his grandsons -attend a Welsh-medium school...	0:47:58	0:48:02
-..has greatly affected him.	0:48:02	0:48:05
-I think it's transformed -his personality...	0:48:06	0:48:09
-..from being radical in the 1960s...	0:48:10	0:48:13
-..to being a Welsh radical -and a Welsh-language radical.	0:48:13	0:48:17
-You haven't invited me here...	0:48:18	0:48:20
-..to show me -someone else's work, have you?	0:48:20	0:48:23
-No, no - I do get help -but this is all my work.	0:48:23	0:48:26
-They've started to sprout - look!	0:48:26	0:48:29
-I planted these. -These are the first to sprout.	0:48:30	0:48:35
-I can see them - can you see them?	0:48:35	0:48:38
-Pak choi. -Have you heard of pak choi?	0:48:41	0:48:45
-It's a Chinese vegetable.	0:48:45	0:48:47
-I'm growing pak choi here.	0:48:48	0:48:50
-They've started to grow.	0:48:50	0:48:53
-That's a row of cabbage.	0:48:53	0:48:55
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