Episode 10 Debatable

APPLAUSE Hello and welcome to Debatable,

the quiz show that proves when it comes to celebrity chat,

less is sometimes more.

Today, our panel of celebrities will be trying to help a contestant

debate their way to a ?2,000 jackpot,

but will they help or will they hinder?

That's Debatable, so, let's meet them.

On today's show we have...

Former England cricketer, Phil Tufnell.

We have broadcaster Jennie Bond

and TV presenter Angellica Bell.

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That is the panel, let's see who's playing today.

It is Samantha Russell from the Midlands.

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Hi, Sam. Hi, nice to meet you. How you doing? Good, thank you.

Welcome to the show. Thanks. Tell us a little bit about yourself.

I'm a personal trainer and a fitness instructor from the Midlands.

Do you think you could whip our panel into shape?

They're in great shape already. You think? Yeah, definitely.

I'm looking forward to working with these guys.

You're looking forward to working with them?

Yeah, I've got a brilliant panel. It can only go downhill from here.

OK, best of luck, Sam,

let's get this Debatable show on the road as we play Round One.

Sam, this round is multiple choice.

Each question has four possible answers, but only one is correct.

Helping you to the correct answer is our panel.

Will you go with what they say, or will you go your own way?

It's entirely up to you. There's two questions in this round.

Each correct answer is worth ?200,

which we'll put into your prize pot and you'll be playing for that

at the end of the show in the Final Debate. OK. Happy to go?

Yeah. Let's go. OK, let's go.

Here comes question one.

I was immediately drawn to Taj Mahal.

I kind of remembered hearing something about it being

a Wonder of the World, but I'd like to hear

what the panel have to say about it, really.

We have a panel who will sort this out very quickly for us.

Panel, your debate starts now.

I think what we really need to focus on is the new bit.

Now, Kate and Wills recently went to the Taj Mahal

and had a picture, and I vaguely remember seeing that in the paper

and reading something about it being the new because I think maybe

some people think it's in the old,

which I don't know if the Taj Mahal was in the original. No.

I'm trying to remember. It wouldn't be a dam, would it?

It wouldn't be a big wall. It wouldn't be a dam.

Is it wondrous? No, it's a big wall.

No, that's not wondrous. So not the Hoover Dam?

It's not the Hoover Dam. I don't think it's the Hoover Dam.

The Sydney Opera House is gorgeous and iconic, but is it a real wonder?

It is a wonder of architecture, I suppose, but it's not wondrous.

Eiffel Tower, just big and metal. I think it's the Taj Mahal.

I'm going Taj Mahal. It is magical, have you been?

I have. It's fantastic, isn't it? Yeah, it changes colour, doesn't it?

But the question is... Does it?

Yes, when the sun sets it goes another colour.

Oh, I wasn't there at sunset.

Lovely.

I think the Taj Mahal is one of the new ones, but, you know,

that's just my opinion. Phil?

I'm going with Taj, all day long.

OK, right.

Well, I think we the panel have decided it is the Taj Mahal.

They're thinking Taj Mahal, they're going with you on this.

Anything there to make you change your mind?

Well, what Angellica was saying about, is it a new one?

That is my one big sticking point here.

Maybe should stick with the gut instinct.

I'm going to stick with it and say Taj Mahal. Ooh, no!

OK, you're going with the panel. Yep, definitely.

All in, all agreed for ?200.

The correct answer is...

It is the Taj Mahal! APPLAUSE

Well played.

The Taj Mahal was built in the 1600s,

long after the original Ancient Wonders of the World.

The new Seven Wonders of the World were announced in 2007

by the New7Wonders Foundation.

Well played, Sam, you are up and running.

?200 in the prize pot.

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Here we go, here's your next question.

Let's see if we can get another 200 up there.

What's your first thoughts on this? Well I was just putting "Sir"

in front each of them to see which sounded the most familiar.

And Mick Jagger sounded the most familiar,

but that's, again, a bit of a gut instinct.

Bit of a wild guess.

OK, you're leaning towards Mick Jagger.

Jennie's smiling.

Panel, your debate starts now.

It's not going to be the drummer, is it? No.

Ringo Starr. "Sir Ringo." No.

I know Brian May's got a PhD and he's fantastic,

and he has played on top of Buckingham Palace.

I saw him on top of Buckingham Palace with his guitar,

playing the national anthem.

But Sir Mick Jagger, I recall reading...

I'm sure it's Sir Mick Jagger. I'm sure he is Sir Mick. Yeah.

Because I thought, yeah, but why? You know, when he got it...

I love Mick Jagger, don't get me wrong,

but knighthood for being a rock 'n' roller?

Well, there's a few rock 'n' rollers that are knights.

I think that Sam is correct, and that it's Sir Mick.

What do you think, Phil? Yeah, I think it can only be Sir Mick.

Arise, Sir Mick.

I think he might be next, Phil Collins, actually.

And Brian May, actually, he's very respectable.

He is respectable. Yes. And respected.

Yes, lovely hair. Yeah.

What do you think? I think Jagger. OK. OK. Yeah.

All right.

OK, Sam, well, we the panel are going to go with Sir Mick Jagger.

That's what the panel think.

Have they managed to convince you?

I'm convinced. You are?

Yeah. Let's stick with Mick Jagger.

OK, you're going with the panel for the second time.

Is it Mick Jagger for ?200?

It is Mick Jagger! APPLAUSE

Thank you.

Well done. Awesome.

And we have evidence of this,

here is Mick Jagger after receiving his knighthood.

There he is. Ooh, nice scarf!

That's his dad and two daughters, how cute is that?

That is a cute picture.

Now we know where Mick gets the mouth from. That's brilliant.

He was knighted in 2003.

You were right, Angellica, Brian May has a PhD in astrophysics.

Well done, well played. 100%. Two out of two.

And that means, at the end of Round One, you've ?400 in the prize pot.

APPLAUSE Awesome, thank you.

So we pause now, Sam, and we look at our panel.

How do you think they've performed so far?

Top of the class. Ten out of ten.

Yeah? Could not be happier.

OK, well, look, let's see how they cope with pictures.

It is time for Round Two.

OK, Sam, Round Two is our picture round.

All you have to do is put these three pictures in the correct order.

Two questions in this round,

the money goes up to ?300 for every correct answer, so best of luck.

Have a look at this.

That smile is a nervous smile, Sam, I can tell. It really is.

I really don't know when Catherine the Great was from,

she's the one I'll have to leave until last.

I probably think it's...

Oliver Cromwell, then Napoleon and Catherine would be either...

Either the end or the front.

Our panel will no doubt sort this out. Come on, Jennie.

Don't need to worry(!) Panel, your debate starts now.

I think Oliver Cromwell was before Napoleon Bonaparte.

Oliver Cromwell was Roundheads and Cavaliers, wasn't he? Yeah.

And Oliver Cromwell was Duke of Wellington, weren't he? Yeah.

Waterloo. Yeah, yeah.

Battle of Waterloo, so... 1700s, would you say?

I'm not sure on dates.

So would you say maybe...

Catherine first?

What sort of era of Russia was she involved in?

I've been to the Catherine Palace, which is near Saint Petersburg,

which I imagine was hers.

But actually we couldn't get in because... Ohh!

No, I was there with the Queen and we were late

and then the guard said, "Nyet! Nyet, you cannot come in."

So we the reporters sort of puddled around the outside in the snow

and she was in there.

I peeked in the windows. And if that's the right palace...

And what kind of furniture was in there? Well, I would sort of say,

like, salon...Regency...? I don't know.

Louis XVI? 1800s, something like that?

From my great knowledge(!) So then maybe...

Maybe 18th century.

I think Oliver Cromwell, definitely very, very ancient, yeah?

Yeah. God knows what century.

So, Napoleon? We're pretty sure Oliver's over there.

Oliver's old.

What do you think?

I think she could be first. Yeah.

What, even before Ollie? Before Ollie?

See, this is... Ollie's really old though, wasn't he?

Maybe we should go, Ollie, that, that.

What do you think, Jennie? You are the oracle.

I think she might belong up there.

But, no, I'm going to go...

What's she wearing, does that give it away?

Well... I would say that was sort of 1800s.

And that looks older to me.

To me, but I don't know.

You decide.

Oh, no, I have to decide? Yeah.

We don't know, by the way, Sam. You might have guessed.

Because we don't know, we have to just take... OK. OK.

There you go.

I'm really taking a big risk here,

but the panel has decided that it is Cromwell first,

then Bonaparte,

then Catherine the Great.

Any help? Actually, I was thinking what is she wearing,

because that could tell us what era she's from.

See, what she's wearing there reminds me kind of Henry VIII,

the sort of feathery, ruffly thing he had on.

So, I'm just going to go against everything you've all said,

and I'm going to go with Catherine the Great first,

then Cromwell and then Bonaparte.

Based on clothes.

You're going against our panel.

Is this the correct order for ?300?

It's not. AUDIENCE GROANS

No! I'm sorry, Sam.

Let's have a little look at the correct order.

Oh! Would you...?!

Oliver Cromwell.

Catherine the Great. You were right!

Then Napoleon Bonaparte.

So the panel also wrong.

Oliver Cromwell born in 1599, Catherine the Great, 1729,

Napoleon Bonaparte, 1769.

JENNIE: Aw, it was close, it was close!

Unfortunately, no money for that

but you still have ?400 in your prize pot.

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Let's have a little look at your second picture question,

see if we can get another 300 in there for you.

What's your first thoughts, then?

Hmm.

Leaning towards Big Brother as the earliest,

just because that's the first one I remember watching.

Not Celebrity Big Brother, but the normal Big Brother.

Maybe I'm A Celebrity after that,

because there's been millions of them.

Yeah...

Luckily, we've got some people on the panel

who might know a bit more about this. OK.

If only we had someone who danced on Strictly,

someone who maybe was King of the Jungle

that could quickly sort this out.

Panel, your debate starts now.

Remember that, it's Celebrity Big Brother.

So Big Brother started way before Celebrity Big Brother.

I would have said Big Brother beforehand,

but you're right, Celebrity Big Brother.

Didn't come about straight away.

I was robbed on Strictly Come Dancing, by the way.

How did you do? My paso doble was to die for.

It was amazing. I watched it, yeah.

So I'm in the presence of greatness?

You've done both. You've done Strictly and the jungle.

You've done... I've done the jungle. The jungle, yeah.

And I remember, after coming out of the jungle,

being asked to do Strictly, and I remember it feeling...

It was very new then, so that was 2004.

I think between Strictly and I'm A Celebrity, it's really close.

I would probably say I'm A Celebrity came first.

Out of all of them? Remember, you were in the jungle.

Yes, was Strictly on then?

I don't know. Who won the first Strictly?

Who won the first Strictly?

Natasha Kaplinsky? Right! Was it?

Yes, it was. So what does that mean?

I don't know. I don't know! LAUGHTER

But she's kind of, Natasha Kaplinsky...

And Brendan.

..and Brendan...

before Tony Blackburn.

I really am stuck on this.

I'm veering towards Strictly first and then I'm A Celeb.

And what do you think?

Go with it, let's do Strictly.

Strictly first.

Go on. Something like that, are we happy?

The panel has decided that Strictly, by a very narrow margin, came first.

Then I'm A Celeb and then Celebrity Big Brother.

There we go.

You've heard what the panel have to say, but what do you think?

I...

feel that Strictly was perhaps a little bit later.

I'm going to probably regret this,

but I'm going to try I'm A Celebrity as the earliest,

followed by Celebrity Big Brother, and then Strictly Come Dancing.

Ooh, yes. I like that.

OK.

Mixing it up a little bit, going against your first thought,

going against the panel.

For ?300, Sam, is that the correct order?

AUDIENCE GROANS

It's the wrong order, Sam.

Tricky. Here we go, let's have a look at the correct order.

Celebrity Big Brother was the very first show. Sorry, Sam!

Then I'm A Celebrity, Get Me Out Of Here.

And then Strictly Come Dancing.

2001, the first Celebrity Big Brother was for Comic Relief.

And Jack Dee won that in 2001.

Then I'm A Celebrity, 2002.

You were right, Tony Blackburn was King of the Jungle there.

Then Strictly Come Dancing in 2004,

and Natasha Kaplinsky was the first winner of Strictly Come Dancing.

Unfortunately, our panel were wrong,

you were also wrong on that one, nothing added to the prize pot,

it means, at the end of Round Two,

you're still on ?400.

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There's still ?1,000 up for grabs as we play Round Three.

OK, Sam, in this round, you will face questions

that contain three statements which relate to a person,

a place or a thing, but only one of those statements is true.

You have to decide which one.

Now, there are two questions in this round,

it is our final round, so we're going to up the cash to ?500

for each correct answer. ?1,000 in total.

Come on, panel, let's see if we get this money up. Here we go.

Here we go.

Anything jumping out there, Sam?

I'm leaning towards C,

that seems like the most in line with my thoughts at the moment.

OK, you're leaning towards C.

Panel, your debate starts now.

I think, I remember seeing,

thinking I can't believe he was born that late -

was he born in 1882 or 1881?

Could have been something like that. He died...

That's just come into my head because I remember looking up,

going, I didn't realise he was that old.

There's black-and-white photos of him, like, in the '30s.

Yeah. I think he was born in 1881, '82, I don't know.

I didn't think he was an Impressionist at all. No, he wasn't.

And Green Period... He had a Blue Period.

He had a Blue Period. And a Rose one.

Well, you know about art.

I do, that's right. But I'm not quite sure when he was born.

What do you paint?

I do lots of circles, and sort of... No, I do abstracts.

Do you? Yes, yes.

Does yours all have deep meaning?

Yes, it's like a whirling window into my soul.

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OK, what are we thinking? I'm thinking...

Born in the 19th century? Yes.

I think born in the 19th century.

Yeah, we agree? Yeah. Right, we're solid on that one, OK.

Right, panel is unanimous on this one,

Sam, we think he was definitely born in the 19th century.

Anything there to make you change your mind?

For Angellica to have such a specific date in mind,

then I would trust that instinct,

because that's obviously come from some knowledge somewhere.

So I'm going to agree with the panel.

Let's go for C.

OK.

You're going to agree with the panel.

Was Picasso born in the 19th century, for ?500?

Yes! He was. APPLAUSE

Well done!

Awesome, thank you.

And, Angellica, he WAS born in 1881.

Wow! Very well played.

There he is, Phil, there's a black-and-white picture of him.

He actually died in 1973. That's right, yeah. Wow.

He had a long old life. He co-founded Cubism.

Impressionism originated in the 1860s,

before Picasso was born, so you were right about that.

His main phases were a Blue Period and a Rose Period. Wow.

The late Robin Williams - did you know this...?

He received a Picasso worth $1 million from Disney

as an apology for Disney contravening

the terms of his contract when he played the Genie in Aladdin. Wow.

Really? Yes. Nice.

And when the BBC contravened my contract for this show,

I got a painting...

done by Phil Tufnell.

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OK, ?500 into the prize pot, you're up now to ?900.

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OK, let's see if we can get this up to 1,400, guys.

Here comes your next question, Sam.

It's a question of sport, Sam.

At the moment, veering towards...

..C.

Panel, what can we do with this? Your debate starts now.

Right, if I'm in goal,

if I'm in goal, I'm six foot and I stand there and I go like that

and I can touch the goal.

So the table is less than that? All right, OK.

I'm not sure.

I've done a film for The One Show about table tennis. Yes?

And I do believe the bats have to be different colours

for a certain reason and I...

Flim-flam, I thought... I think it's ping-pong.

So I don't think flim-flam. I think it's C.

The table length less... The table's about this long.

I think, yes.

Yeah, table tennis table is about this long.

Do you want to lie on this? Can do.

Is it sturdy? Yeah, go on. OK.

Now we've got to play table tennis.

Hold on. Right, hold on.

I've got a board at home.

What, are you having your hand up? Yes, because that's the crossbar.

Oh, it's right up there is it? Yes. Where's that?

Well, that's there.

Oh, right, so it might be longer.

It might be longer. It might be longer.

I think the table tennis table is longer than what you just did.

Yes. OK, yes, that's fair enough then.

Do you think so? Because a table tennis table is about that long.

And flim-flam? What we think about flim-flam? Ping-pong.

Forrest Gump. I can remember Forrest Gump...

What, saying flim-flam?

Yes, I can remember Forrest Gump saying flim-flam. Do you?

So it could be kind of an American... ..Ism.

I think it's C.

OK, and you've done... I've got a feeling it's B.

Oh, no. Oh, no.

I've got a feeling it's B.

I just think ping-pong...

It is ping-pong.

But flim-flam.

I think C. What do you think?

C. What do you think?

B. Oh, gosh.

Well, we'll go with the majority, OK?

So, Sam, we're not totally convinced on this one,

but we're going to go with C.

So after that scientific demonstration from Phil...

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..we need an answer. OK.

So, I was convinced it was going to be C until you did the measuring,

which completely convinced me that it's not C.

JENNIE: Oh, really? Oh, no. Oh, no!

And out of the other two,

I think flim-flam is going to be the most likely one.

You're going for...?

B. Flim-flam.

OK, we've locked it in.

Has Forrest Gump come up for us?

Is flim-flam the correct answer, for ?500?

Oh, no...

Please!

It is! APPLAUSE

Awesome work, nice one.

Very well played.

The game was invented in England,

in the early days of the 20th century,

and was known under a number of different trading names

including ping-pong, whiff-whaff and flim-flam.

A table tennis table is nine feet long. Wow.

And a goal post is eight feet tall.

Both sides must be a different colour,

you were right about that, Angellica. Well done.

At the end of Round Three, you're up to ?1,400.

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And, Sam, that's the amount you're going to be playing for today in our Final Debate.

Now, if you win that money, any plans for it?

Yep, I'm going to put it towards

a yoga teacher training course in Bali.

Nice!

If you can get us to Bali for 1,400 quid, we're all coming.

There's just one question that stands between you and that 1,400,

and that is today's Final Debate.

Now, in the Final Debate, you're going to face one question,

there's going to be six possible answers,

and we need the three correct answers.

You're not going to be playing alone.

You're going to choose one of these fine panellists to play with you,

and then you and your celeb will have 45 seconds on the clock

to answer the question.

So, based on our performance so far, who would you like to join you?

It's tricky, but I think due to my deficit,

knowledge in sports, and the fact it would probably be a sports question,

I'll go with Phil, if that's OK?

Phil, can you please join us as we play today's Final Debate.

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OK, Phil, Sam has chosen you for today's Final Debate. Yes!

You're smiling, you're ready to go.

Ready to go. OK, Sam, it is your Final Debate,

so we're going to give you two categories to choose from... Come on, be kind.

..which one of these do you fancy?

PHIL GROANS

Oh, no.

Why did you pick me?

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What do you fancy? Politics, for me, is really ropey.

Music is slightly stronger. How about you?

Not two of me strongest, sorry darling.

But come on, confident. OK.

Music.

You're going for music?

Let's lock it in.

OK, Sam. Come on.

1,400 up for grabs, here is today's 45 second Final Debate question.

Ah, they're all up there. So, Sam and Phil, for the final time today,

your 45 second debate starts now.

Right, here we go.

So, towards the end of the song, it gets harder and harder, right?

Yeah. The ones I least recognise... # 12 lords a-leaping... #

I think that's pretty high.

# Maids a-milking

# The first day of Christmas... #

I can't go through the whole lot, we ain't got time. No.

Drummers drumming. I think geese a-laying are lower down.

Yes, geese a-laying lower down.

Pipers piping, maids a-milking's lower down, I think.

Is it ladies dancing, lords a-leaping, pipers piping?

I think pipers, because I don't remember that at all.

And you always forget by the time you get to...

# 12 pipers piping... # I can't think about it. 15 seconds.

Pipers piping? Drummers drumming? # Drummers drumming... #

I think ladies dancing is near geese.

Is it? No?

Lords is up there.

I think that's what we agree on. Pipers piping is another one.

Yeah. The drummers or ladies?

Time is up.

Sam, I need three answers.

Lords a-leaping.

Pipers piping.

Ladies dancing.

So we've locked in lords a-leaping, pipers piping,

ladies dancing.

If they are the three correct answers, you win the money, ?1,400.

If one of them's wrong, I'm afraid you do leave with nothing.

Best of luck. Here we go.

First up, lords a-leaping.

Is that a correct answer?

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Well done.

There were ten lords a-leaping.

Then you said pipers piping.

Is pipers piping one of the highest number in Twelve Days Of Christmas?

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It's drummers. It's all this "Is it drummers or ladies?"

Well done, there were 11 pipers piping.

So it all comes down to this, to ladies dancing.

You weren't sure between drummers or ladies.

If it is ladies dancing, it's ?1,400.

Fingers and toes crossed, here we go.

Is ladies dancing one of the highest number in Twelve Days Of Christmas,

for ?1,400?

AUDIENCE GROANS

It's drummers, isn't it? It's drummers!

Nine ladies dancing.

The correct answer was...

drummers drumming.

It was the highest number,

there were 12 drummers drumming in The Twelve Days Of Christmas.

I'm so, so sorry. You were so close!

Hard luck. You were so close,

but thank you so much for coming in and playing.

Give it up one more time for Sam.

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That is it for Debatable.

There's just enough time for me to thank a fantastic panel.

To Phil Tufnell, to Jennie Bond and Angellica Bell.

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I do hope you've enjoyed watching, we will see you next time for more heated debates.

For now, it's goodbye from me.