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APPLAUSE | 0:00:22 | 0:00:24 | |
Good evening and welcome. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:45 | |
It can be said of my very special guest tonight | 0:00:45 | 0:00:48 | |
that he's lived a full and varied life. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:50 | |
He has, in order of ascending merit, | 0:00:50 | 0:00:53 | |
been a shoplifter, bootlegger, | 0:00:53 | 0:00:55 | |
organiser of indoor pony races, | 0:00:55 | 0:00:57 | |
gambler, hell raiser, man about town, | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
raconteur, soldier, | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
Oscar-winning film star and writer. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:04 | |
Once upon a time, believe it or not, he was put up for auction. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
There were no takers. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:08 | |
All this, and he's still only 21. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:10 | |
Ladies and gentlemen, David Niven! | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:01:13 | 0:01:15 | |
David, welcome. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:31 | |
As I said in my introduction, although I can hardly believe it, | 0:01:31 | 0:01:35 | |
you were once put up for auction - there were no takers. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
How did that occur? | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
Well, that was a long time ago in New York, and I was broke. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:44 | |
And I was selling booze with some ex-bootleggers. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:48 | |
And there was an old sort of society hostess lady called Elsa Maxwell, | 0:01:48 | 0:01:54 | |
who was famous in those days. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:55 | |
She gave these great big parties and things. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:57 | |
And I tried to sell her some booze, | 0:01:57 | 0:01:59 | |
and she said, "This is not a good thing. You should marry a rich wife." | 0:01:59 | 0:02:03 | |
So I said, "Well, how do I do that on 40 a week, | 0:02:03 | 0:02:04 | |
"which is what I'm getting from the booze people?" | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
So she said, "Well, I tell you what, | 0:02:07 | 0:02:09 | |
"I'm running a thing for the Milk Fund, | 0:02:09 | 0:02:11 | |
"which is a big charity," | 0:02:11 | 0:02:13 | |
and it was a big dance. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:15 | |
She said, "I want you to be one of the professional dance partners, | 0:02:15 | 0:02:19 | |
"you and people like Jock Whitney" - | 0:02:19 | 0:02:21 | |
he became ambassador to Great Britain, didn't he? - | 0:02:21 | 0:02:25 | |
"and those sort of people." | 0:02:25 | 0:02:26 | |
And she said, "You wear a green carnation and charge 20 a dance." | 0:02:26 | 0:02:30 | |
Well, I'd made about 40, I think, for the fund, | 0:02:31 | 0:02:35 | |
and then an awful thing happened. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:37 | |
They wheeled on a sort of imitation section | 0:02:37 | 0:02:41 | |
of the New York Stock Exchange, | 0:02:41 | 0:02:43 | |
and they had votes | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
and people bought shares for the most popular man in New York. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:51 | |
Now, they had all these names of all these people they all knew, | 0:02:51 | 0:02:53 | |
like the Jock Whitneys and all these people, | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
and at the bottom was David Nevins, N-E-V-I-N-S. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
And they thought that was the man | 0:03:00 | 0:03:01 | |
who'd made the microphone or something. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
And nobody bought anything, you know? | 0:03:04 | 0:03:06 | |
And it was the most awful day of my life. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:08 | |
And you saw these ticker things going on | 0:03:08 | 0:03:10 | |
and thousands of dollars going against everybody else, | 0:03:10 | 0:03:12 | |
and poor David Nevins at the bottom. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:14 | |
- Must have been soul-destroying. - Awful. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:16 | |
Terrible. I bet it's the first time you've come bottom of the league | 0:03:16 | 0:03:18 | |
- in any stake for women, though? - Well, I don't know! | 0:03:18 | 0:03:21 | |
Don't be modest! | 0:03:21 | 0:03:22 | |
But I mean, that was a sort of out-and-out attempt, I suppose, | 0:03:22 | 0:03:26 | |
to sort of pair you off with somebody in New York | 0:03:26 | 0:03:27 | |
at the time when you were in fact single, | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
but how did you manage in that period before you were a film star | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
for feminine company in New York? | 0:03:32 | 0:03:33 | |
I mean, you have this reputation - or had this reputation - | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
of being a sort of man about town | 0:03:36 | 0:03:38 | |
and a gay persuader of ladies and this sort of thing. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:40 | |
Did you have a hard time with them generally there? | 0:03:40 | 0:03:41 | |
Well, I think it's always a hard time to get the real goodies, you know? | 0:03:42 | 0:03:46 | |
But, erm... | 0:03:46 | 0:03:48 | |
No, New York was all right. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:50 | |
There were lots of young people broke too, | 0:03:50 | 0:03:52 | |
and it worked out pretty nicely. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
Any sort of spectacular mishaps? | 0:03:55 | 0:03:57 | |
Well, there was one... Oh, yes, there was one! | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
I was visiting some people in Greenwich, Connecticut, | 0:03:59 | 0:04:04 | |
and somebody took me skating, which I'd never done before, | 0:04:04 | 0:04:05 | |
so I had a cushion strapped on my bottom. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:08 | |
And it had an Indian's head on it, I remember that. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
And I was crashing round this ice, | 0:04:11 | 0:04:13 | |
and there was a very, very beautiful girl | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
doing figures of eight round an orange. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:18 | |
And I got out of control, | 0:04:18 | 0:04:20 | |
and I cut the orange in half and knocked her over. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
And I picked her up again, and I got her telephone number and name, | 0:04:22 | 0:04:27 | |
and her name - I remember it to this day - was Bea Hudson. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:30 | |
She said that her father was a doctor | 0:04:30 | 0:04:31 | |
and they lived at 850 Park Avenue or something like that. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
So I said could I call her up | 0:04:34 | 0:04:36 | |
when I came to New York, you know, as a booze salesman. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:38 | |
And she said yes, so I got to New York, | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
and I couldn't remember the address. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:42 | |
And I looked in the thing and I saw D Hudson, | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
which she said was her father's name. A lawyer or something. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:50 | |
Anyway, I called the number, and I said, "Can I speak to Miss Hudson?" | 0:04:50 | 0:04:52 | |
And a voice said, "This is she," you know? | 0:04:52 | 0:04:54 | |
So I said, "Well, I'm the man | 0:04:54 | 0:04:56 | |
"that cut your orange in half," you know? | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
- She said, "What?" - I said, "Don't you remember? | 0:04:59 | 0:05:01 | |
"I had a cushion on my behind." | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
Anyway, I got the whole thing wrong, | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
and it was not the one I thought at all. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
Now, you've got to believe this, Michael, it's completely true | 0:05:09 | 0:05:11 | |
that, by some miracle, it was another girl called Bea Hudson. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:16 | |
And she said, "Well, the thing is | 0:05:16 | 0:05:18 | |
"that the number you called is my husband's number, | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
"and he's a lawyer, and this is 650 Park Avenue, | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
"and the one you thought you were calling was a doctor, | 0:05:24 | 0:05:25 | |
"and he's 850 Park Avenue. You've got it all wrong." | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
So I said, "Well, how's the husband?" | 0:05:28 | 0:05:31 | |
And she said, "Well, he's fine." | 0:05:31 | 0:05:32 | |
And I said, "Where's he work?" | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
And she said, "He works downtown." | 0:05:35 | 0:05:37 | |
And I said, "A long way downtown?" | 0:05:37 | 0:05:39 | |
She said, "What do you...?" | 0:05:39 | 0:05:40 | |
And I said, "Well, I tell you what, | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
"why don't you leave him downtown and come and have lunch with me?" | 0:05:43 | 0:05:45 | |
You know, it's easy to be brave on the end of a telephone, isn't it? | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
Absolutely, yes. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:49 | |
So she said, "I never heard such nonsense in my life." | 0:05:49 | 0:05:51 | |
By the very fact she didn't hang up, I knew that, you know, something... | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
So anyway, I pressed on, I was brave. | 0:05:58 | 0:05:59 | |
I said, "Well, come on, none of you American women, | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
"middle-aged ladies, you've got no guts." | 0:06:02 | 0:06:03 | |
"Middle-aged? I'm 22!" | 0:06:03 | 0:06:05 | |
Then you know... | 0:06:05 | 0:06:07 | |
So she said, "Well, you might be a burglar. You might be a kidnapper. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:10 | |
"You might be a murderer. You might be anything." | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
So I said, "I'll tell you what I'll do. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:13 | |
"I will wear a blue and white spotted scarf and a red carnation, | 0:06:13 | 0:06:18 | |
"and I will stand on any street corner you name at one o'clock, | 0:06:18 | 0:06:22 | |
"then you can drive by, you can walk by, | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
"and if you like the look of the thing you see on the corner, | 0:06:24 | 0:06:26 | |
"then we have lunch way uptown, away from this horrible husband," you see? | 0:06:26 | 0:06:30 | |
So I went, and she gave me an address, | 0:06:31 | 0:06:33 | |
and it was right outside the Bankers Trust company, a big bank. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
And I'd bought a bunch of roses, you know? | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
And it was 14 degrees below zero, and the roses started to go black, | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
and I'm freezing to death and standing on the thing. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
It was one o'clock, it was half past one, a quarter to two, | 0:06:45 | 0:06:47 | |
and finally, about two o'clock, a very attractive girl went by | 0:06:47 | 0:06:51 | |
and she said, "Hello, Mr Niven." And I said, "Hello!" | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
And she went straight past, like this. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:56 | |
And then another one came from this way and said, "Hello, Mr Niven." | 0:06:56 | 0:06:58 | |
And another one went past. Then three more. "Mr Niven..." You know? | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
And they went by in taxis, | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
and this girl had called up all her chums, you know? | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
And the final achievement was a singing group from Western Union. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:15 | |
And I'm there, and... | 0:07:15 | 0:07:16 | |
# Happy lunchtime to you... # from these brutes. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
Enough to put you off women for life! | 0:07:20 | 0:07:22 | |
I finally met her, and she was divine, but I didn't that day. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
No, no. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:27 | |
Can I ask you, going back before that time, | 0:07:27 | 0:07:29 | |
what was your introduction to the fair sex, David? | 0:07:29 | 0:07:32 | |
Do we get bleeped on this programme? | 0:07:34 | 0:07:35 | |
No, no. No, we don't get bleeped. You may speak freely. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:37 | |
Well... | 0:07:38 | 0:07:39 | |
I know what you're getting at, Mike! | 0:07:39 | 0:07:41 | |
Well, you can take the bleeps out. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:44 | |
Anyway, I was sort of almost 15. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:48 | |
That's my excuse, anyway. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:49 | |
And we lived in London, | 0:07:49 | 0:07:51 | |
and there wasn't room for me in this small house, | 0:07:51 | 0:07:55 | |
so I was farmed out into a room up at St James's Place somewhere, | 0:07:55 | 0:07:59 | |
and we lived in Sloane Street. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
And so, every night after dinner, | 0:08:01 | 0:08:03 | |
this creepy stepfather I had used to give me tuppence for the bus, | 0:08:03 | 0:08:08 | |
number 19 or 22 or 30. I remember those up Sloane Street. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:12 | |
And I used to get off at the Ritz hotel | 0:08:12 | 0:08:14 | |
and walk down into my ghastly burrow | 0:08:14 | 0:08:16 | |
with a pot under the bed and all that. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
So, I got more adventurous, | 0:08:19 | 0:08:20 | |
and I used to walk further on, up to Piccadilly | 0:08:20 | 0:08:23 | |
and look at all the lights, you know, | 0:08:23 | 0:08:24 | |
the Bovril and Owbridge's Lung Tonic and all those lovely things! | 0:08:24 | 0:08:28 | |
And then I realised that lots of girls were walking about, you know, | 0:08:28 | 0:08:32 | |
at the same time. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:33 | |
So... | 0:08:33 | 0:08:35 | |
Then I once saw a spectacular pair of legs, | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
and I followed this girl, just to look at her. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:42 | |
And she seemed to have an awful lot of men friends, you know, | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
and she would talk to people. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:46 | |
And so I went to my room, and I kept on thinking about this girl. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:51 | |
The next night, I couldn't wait to get up to Piccadilly again, | 0:08:51 | 0:08:53 | |
and I walked around, and I couldn't find her. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
And finally I did, and I saw her | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
with a very-nice looking man I thought was her father, | 0:08:58 | 0:09:00 | |
a man with a dinner jacket. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:02 | |
And she took him into this little house in Cork Street. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
And I hid and waited to see if she ever came out again. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:09 | |
And she did come out - quite soon, as a matter of fact! | 0:09:09 | 0:09:11 | |
So anyway, after that I really thought of this girl all the time, | 0:09:13 | 0:09:18 | |
and I used to go looking for her at night. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:20 | |
And, er... | 0:09:20 | 0:09:22 | |
one night, she suddenly turned on me. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:24 | |
She was a lovely cockney. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:25 | |
She said, "What do you want? Do you want a piece? What are you doing?" | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
What was she talking about? I said, "Er..." | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
She said, "Do you want to come home with me?" | 0:09:31 | 0:09:33 | |
And I said, "Yes!" | 0:09:33 | 0:09:35 | |
So I'm taken to this dream...! | 0:09:35 | 0:09:37 | |
She took me into this flat, and I thought, | 0:09:37 | 0:09:39 | |
"This is going to be the ginger beer and the gramophone record," you know? | 0:09:39 | 0:09:42 | |
A likely story! | 0:09:44 | 0:09:46 | |
And then she gave me this ghastly book of photographs and said, | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
"Look, if you have any trouble, take a look at these first." | 0:09:49 | 0:09:51 | |
And so I... | 0:09:51 | 0:09:52 | |
Argh! | 0:09:52 | 0:09:54 | |
And then she appeared with the usual thing, | 0:09:58 | 0:10:00 | |
the sort of pink shoes and nothing else, | 0:10:00 | 0:10:02 | |
and I'm gibbering, absolutely gibbering. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
So she said, "You can wash over there. Wash over there, dear." | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
And there was a little terrible sort of kidney-shaped table | 0:10:08 | 0:10:11 | |
full of blue fluid, you know? | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
So, I didn't know... | 0:10:14 | 0:10:15 | |
And I washed my hands. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:20 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
No bleeps. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:30 | |
No! | 0:10:30 | 0:10:31 | |
I think that's a marvellous introduction to the fair sex. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:35 | |
I tell you what, it beats sex education films, doesn't it? | 0:10:35 | 0:10:37 | |
Well, yes! | 0:10:37 | 0:10:38 | |
It really does! | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
And then I know, reading your book, too, | 0:10:41 | 0:10:42 | |
that you became so very fond of her, didn't you? | 0:10:42 | 0:10:44 | |
That's true, I really did. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:46 | |
It sounds corny and odd, | 0:10:46 | 0:10:48 | |
but I think I fell in love with her very much. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:52 | |
And she used to come down and see me at school. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:55 | |
And she'd never seen the country before. | 0:10:57 | 0:10:59 | |
She came from Hoxton. Never seen the country. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
She used to arrive with this ghastly tartan rug | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
and potted-shrimp sandwiches. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:07 | |
Oh, dear! Well, thank God for the rug, anyway! | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
Did she ever meet any...? | 0:11:10 | 0:11:12 | |
I mean, it must have been a bit dangerous to go into school. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
You were at boarding school at the time, weren't you? | 0:11:15 | 0:11:17 | |
I was. I was up at Stowe. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:18 | |
It had this marvellous headmaster called Roxburgh. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:22 | |
And a cricket match was on. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:23 | |
And she was really a dish, a real beauty. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
Lovely girl. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:27 | |
And Roxburgh came over and saw me sitting on the rug with this girl, | 0:11:27 | 0:11:31 | |
watching the cricket. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:33 | |
And, oh, it was agony. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
He said, "May I join you?" | 0:11:37 | 0:11:39 | |
And I said, "Oh, sir, please. This is Miss..." | 0:11:39 | 0:11:41 | |
I won't give the name, even now. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:43 | |
So she said, "You don't look a bit like a schoolmaster, do you, dear?" | 0:11:43 | 0:11:48 | |
You know? Anyway, he knew. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:49 | |
- He knew. - Yeah. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:51 | |
Did you, David, at that time have any hint, any ambition | 0:11:54 | 0:11:56 | |
of wanting to become an actor at all? | 0:11:56 | 0:11:58 | |
No, absolutely none. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:00 | |
Well, that's not true. I mean, I did the inevitable... | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
I'm sorry about this voice. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:04 | |
I had none at all this morning, and it's going to go in a minute. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:06 | |
Well, I had a fascinating and wonderful specialist today | 0:12:06 | 0:12:09 | |
who put things right down, bits of bicycle down to here. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
I made no noise at all this morning. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:14 | |
It's very wobbly. I'm sorry. But I'll do my best. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:17 | |
No, amateur night, I used to do amateur things at school, I think, | 0:12:17 | 0:12:21 | |
and then later at Sandhurst I did some concerts. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
Why Sandhurst? | 0:12:24 | 0:12:26 | |
Because, you know, looking through your career, | 0:12:26 | 0:12:28 | |
it seems you're not a man who's taken anything very seriously at all, | 0:12:28 | 0:12:32 | |
or you give this appearance throughout life, | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
and therefore a kind of military training, a military career, | 0:12:35 | 0:12:37 | |
seems very much at odds with what you're about. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
Was it the loony aspect of the Army that appealed to you? | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
Well, first of all, I was put in the Army because we had no money. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:47 | |
My mother - my father was killed in the first war, | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
so her ambition, obviously, | 0:12:50 | 0:12:51 | |
was to get me off the books as quick as possible, you know? | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
So that was the best way to do it. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
And I hacked through Sandhurst. | 0:12:57 | 0:12:58 | |
I enjoyed that. It was very tough in those days, | 0:12:58 | 0:13:00 | |
and I think it probably still is. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:02 | |
And then I was stationed in Malta. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:04 | |
I was in the Highland Regiment in Malta. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:06 | |
What was that like? | 0:13:06 | 0:13:07 | |
Oh, Malta was awful. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:09 | |
And I hope there's no Maltese listening tonight. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
They're sweet people, but they're not mad about their island, you know? | 0:13:11 | 0:13:15 | |
And in those days we had the huge Mediterranean fleet there | 0:13:15 | 0:13:20 | |
and just one miserable little battalion. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:22 | |
So when they went away, | 0:13:22 | 0:13:23 | |
we had to guard the place and look after it and everything. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
It was funny, a lot of it was very funny, I thought. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:30 | |
And we got two months' leave a year. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
We got no money. As a young officer, you got 9/6d a day, | 0:13:33 | 0:13:37 | |
And you had to buy... You were told what to buy, | 0:13:38 | 0:13:43 | |
and the uniform cost 250 quid, | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
and the Government gave you 50, and that's all you got. It was quite mad. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:50 | |
What was the social life like as a young officer? | 0:13:50 | 0:13:52 | |
Was it, er...? Did it have its moments? | 0:13:52 | 0:13:54 | |
Pretty powerful, really, yes. Yes. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:56 | |
"Powerful" is a good word! You've got to expand on "powerful". | 0:13:58 | 0:14:02 | |
What? | 0:14:02 | 0:14:03 | |
Would you care to expand on "powerful"? | 0:14:03 | 0:14:05 | |
Well, you see, first of all, on the island, there was... | 0:14:05 | 0:14:08 | |
It sounds so awful. It makes me out rather a cad, doesn't it? | 0:14:08 | 0:14:12 | |
But there was thousands of girls, | 0:14:12 | 0:14:16 | |
because there were, first of all, | 0:14:16 | 0:14:17 | |
I don't know how many thousand naval officers' wives there | 0:14:17 | 0:14:23 | |
and wives of all sorts of other people. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:25 | |
Then there was the "fishing fleet" that came out. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
The fishing fleet were | 0:14:27 | 0:14:29 | |
the sort of passed-over debs and spotty sort of country cousins | 0:14:29 | 0:14:33 | |
who came out trying to grab these poor sailors that came sex-starved | 0:14:33 | 0:14:37 | |
back from three months | 0:14:37 | 0:14:38 | |
on the Greek islands or somewhere, | 0:14:38 | 0:14:39 | |
trying to get husbands. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
And then all sorts of assorted Mid-European ladies | 0:14:42 | 0:14:47 | |
who worked down in the Gut, the Strada Stretta, | 0:14:47 | 0:14:52 | |
I mean the highest-class-type ladies, | 0:14:52 | 0:14:54 | |
but working this ghastly trade down there. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
And when the fleet went away, there were 24 of us, you see? | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
So it was... | 0:15:02 | 0:15:04 | |
It was here also, too, | 0:15:04 | 0:15:06 | |
wasn't it, that you met this character | 0:15:06 | 0:15:07 | |
who's appeared in so many of your films, Trubshawe? | 0:15:07 | 0:15:09 | |
Trubshawe! | 0:15:09 | 0:15:10 | |
It's hard to believe, David, | 0:15:10 | 0:15:12 | |
that you kept dropping his name in films and things, | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
that Trubshawe was real and existed, but indeed he did, didn't he? | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
Oh, indeed he does, too, very much so. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:19 | |
Trubshawe is my best, best man. He's been my best man twice. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:24 | |
I've been married twice, and he's been my best man both times. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:27 | |
And best friend. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:28 | |
And he's huge, he's six foot six | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
and has a moustache you can see from the back on a clear day. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:33 | |
And he was the first one, you know, to grow one. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
Long before Jimmy Edwards was ever thought of | 0:15:36 | 0:15:37 | |
he had a thing out to there, you know? | 0:15:37 | 0:15:39 | |
Fascinating character, Trubshawe. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:41 | |
And I used to put his name... When I got into the movies, | 0:15:41 | 0:15:43 | |
I used to put his name into every one, if I could, | 0:15:43 | 0:15:45 | |
to sort of send a signal to Trubshawe back from Hollywood | 0:15:45 | 0:15:48 | |
that I was still there and thinking of him, you know? | 0:15:48 | 0:15:50 | |
But people got to catch on. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:52 | |
And I was doing, with Larry Olivier, we were doing Wuthering Heights, | 0:15:52 | 0:15:57 | |
and William Wyler was the director, and he said, | 0:15:57 | 0:15:59 | |
"Now, David, Trubshawe's name does not come into the Bronte script. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
"We don't have any of this." | 0:16:02 | 0:16:04 | |
And he was listening, he was really watching, | 0:16:05 | 0:16:06 | |
and I was determined to get it in. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:08 | |
And finally, I suppose it was Cathy | 0:16:08 | 0:16:12 | |
unleashed these two great dogs on Heathcliff, which was Larry, | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
and I had to defend him. And I said, "Down, Trubshawe! Down!" I got it in. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:19 | |
And then that was cut. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:22 | |
And they got that out, they had that taken away. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:24 | |
And the only thing I could do... And I got it in. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:27 | |
I talked to the prop man, | 0:16:27 | 0:16:28 | |
and when Merle Oberon and I were being married in the movie, | 0:16:28 | 0:16:32 | |
walking through the village churchyard, | 0:16:32 | 0:16:34 | |
there was "Here lies my faithful friend, Michael Trubshawe"! | 0:16:34 | 0:16:38 | |
What was interesting about that film, of course, | 0:16:40 | 0:16:44 | |
was it was of the few sort of heavy roles | 0:16:44 | 0:16:46 | |
you've done, wasn't it? You know? | 0:16:46 | 0:16:48 | |
I mean, you made your name as... | 0:16:48 | 0:16:50 | |
Ghastly role. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:51 | |
It's the world's famous awful part, Edgar in Wuthering Heights. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:56 | |
That's the part that actors avoid if they're starving, you know? | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
It's the most awful part. Oh, God! | 0:16:59 | 0:17:01 | |
And I was under contract with Sam Goldwyn | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
and delighted and doing anything I was told to do. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:05 | |
He'd told me to do that. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:07 | |
And I'd read it, and I said, "Not even me. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:08 | |
"I can't do that. No way." You know? | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
So he put me on suspension at once, | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
and then William Wyler, the greatest director in the game then, | 0:17:13 | 0:17:15 | |
came to see me, this miserable little actor, and said, | 0:17:15 | 0:17:18 | |
"David, you know, you're the only man who can..." | 0:17:18 | 0:17:20 | |
Well, this was gibberish, but I fell for it, you see? Fool! | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
And then I found myself in this ghastly outfit, | 0:17:24 | 0:17:26 | |
and there was a... | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
...an ardent, devout poof who had... | 0:17:29 | 0:17:33 | |
...invented the clothes, | 0:17:34 | 0:17:35 | |
and he made absolutely no room for anything down here, you know? | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
And I came on the set the first day and he said, | 0:17:40 | 0:17:42 | |
"David, would you please go...?" | 0:17:42 | 0:17:44 | |
It was ridiculous, and I had to go and change. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
And this part called for me to cry. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
And I read the script that day, and it said, | 0:17:51 | 0:17:53 | |
"Edgar" - me - "breaks down at foot of bed and sobs". | 0:17:53 | 0:17:58 | |
Now, Cathy - this is Merle - is lying dead in the bed | 0:17:58 | 0:18:00 | |
and Olivier's circling purposely round | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
with a log or something, you know, | 0:18:03 | 0:18:05 | |
and Hugh Williams and Flora Robson, | 0:18:05 | 0:18:07 | |
all these great experts, and I had to weep. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:09 | |
And I said, "But, Willy, I don't know how to weep." | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
He said, "Speak up." I said, "I can't cry, Willy." | 0:18:12 | 0:18:16 | |
He said, "Louder." I said, "I can't cry!" | 0:18:16 | 0:18:18 | |
He said, "Ladies and gentlemen, you've all heard it. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:20 | |
"Here's an actor who says he can't act. Cry." | 0:18:20 | 0:18:23 | |
- Oh, dear. - Oh, yes. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:25 | |
And then I did. I tried, and everybody laughed. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:27 | |
And Wyler said, "Well, can you make a crying face?" | 0:18:29 | 0:18:31 | |
And I said, "I don't know." | 0:18:31 | 0:18:33 | |
So he said, "Well, give him the blower," | 0:18:33 | 0:18:35 | |
and I get the menthol in the eyes. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:37 | |
And he said, "Turn the camera," and I bend over the corpse, | 0:18:37 | 0:18:39 | |
and Merle's lying there dead in the bed and Larry with the log, | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
and I made my crying face | 0:18:42 | 0:18:43 | |
and they gave me the thing, turned the camera, | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
and he said, "Now squeeze. Squeeze." | 0:18:45 | 0:18:46 | |
And I did this, and a terrible thing happened, | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
and instead of tears coming out of my eyes, | 0:18:49 | 0:18:51 | |
green slime. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:52 | |
Really awful. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:00 | |
What a pity it wasn't in colour, that film! | 0:19:02 | 0:19:04 | |
It wasn't, was it? | 0:19:05 | 0:19:07 | |
Going back before that, David, | 0:19:07 | 0:19:09 | |
because you've come on, you've cut out a huge chunk there, | 0:19:09 | 0:19:12 | |
which was the time when you first came to Hollywood | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
and sort of got under contract to Goldwyn. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
What was it like in those days? | 0:19:18 | 0:19:20 | |
I mean, Hollywood was in its prime then, wasn't it? | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
- Oh, absolutely, yes. - The great boom city. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
How did you first get in there, get into the film industry? | 0:19:25 | 0:19:30 | |
Michael, I'm basically opposed to elderly actors | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
reminiscing about their past. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:34 | |
If you can stand it... | 0:19:34 | 0:19:35 | |
Well, certainly. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:37 | |
..only because those days of Hollywood | 0:19:37 | 0:19:38 | |
certainly were the great days, | 0:19:38 | 0:19:40 | |
I mean between 1930 and 1960. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:42 | |
And I had the great luck and good fortune | 0:19:43 | 0:19:45 | |
to be there the whole time, really, | 0:19:45 | 0:19:46 | |
except for the six and a half years in the war. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:48 | |
And, er... | 0:19:48 | 0:19:50 | |
take the middle of that, the mid-Forties, | 0:19:50 | 0:19:55 | |
800 million people a week all over the world | 0:19:55 | 0:19:59 | |
bought tickets to go to the movies. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
Last year, 120 million bought tickets. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
Of course, there was no competition then, | 0:20:05 | 0:20:07 | |
there was no night baseball, no bingo | 0:20:07 | 0:20:09 | |
and, indeed, no television, you know? | 0:20:09 | 0:20:11 | |
So they had it all to themselves. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:13 | |
And they built up these fabulous stars through the star system. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:17 | |
And when I started there, | 0:20:17 | 0:20:19 | |
in a '27 Western as an extra, with this voice... | 0:20:19 | 0:20:23 | |
I wasn't allowed to speak, obviously. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:25 | |
So I was silent, doing Mexicans and things. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:27 | |
And I used to work at MGM Studios, | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
and that one studio, Michael, | 0:20:30 | 0:20:32 | |
at the same time had under contract, | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
among others, | 0:20:35 | 0:20:37 | |
Garbo, Gable, Joan Crawford... | 0:20:37 | 0:20:39 | |
...Jean Harlow... | 0:20:41 | 0:20:43 | |
...John Barrymore, Lionel Barrymore... | 0:20:43 | 0:20:45 | |
...Norma Shearer, | 0:20:46 | 0:20:48 | |
Hedy Lamarr, | 0:20:48 | 0:20:49 | |
William Powell, | 0:20:49 | 0:20:50 | |
Myrna Loy, | 0:20:50 | 0:20:51 | |
WC Fields... | 0:20:51 | 0:20:52 | |
...Wallace Beery, | 0:20:54 | 0:20:55 | |
Marie Dressler and the Marx Brothers. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:57 | |
This one studio. | 0:20:57 | 0:20:59 | |
Then they had sort of second-echelon people doing less important pictures, | 0:20:59 | 0:21:04 | |
like Robert Montgomery, Robert Young, Frank Morgan, those people. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
Then the same studio had, in the children's school, | 0:21:07 | 0:21:10 | |
learning acting in front of a camera, the children, | 0:21:10 | 0:21:14 | |
who did their school lessons, | 0:21:14 | 0:21:16 | |
so many hours a day by California law, two hours, or something, | 0:21:16 | 0:21:20 | |
in little canvas boxes on the sound stages, | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
Elizabeth Taylor, Mickey Rooney... | 0:21:23 | 0:21:26 | |
...Ava Gardner, Lana Turner and Judy Garland. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:29 | |
- One studio. - Fantastic. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:31 | |
And they built these characters up. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:32 | |
And the same then, at other studios - | 0:21:32 | 0:21:35 | |
Fred Astaire at RKO, | 0:21:35 | 0:21:36 | |
and Ginger Rogers and Cary Grant, Carole Lombard. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:39 | |
Paramount had Dietrich, Boyer, Gary Cooper, that sort of thing. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:43 | |
And then the public really made gods and goddesses of those people. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:48 | |
Were they, in fact, real people, though, David? | 0:21:48 | 0:21:50 | |
Oh, yes, they were marvellous people, they were very superior people. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
- Wonderful people. - "Superior people"? | 0:21:53 | 0:21:54 | |
- Yes. - Really? | 0:21:54 | 0:21:55 | |
I mean, I don't mean "superior" in a snob way. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:59 | |
They were great human beings and very unjealous people. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:03 | |
Yes. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:04 | |
One finds it difficult to believe that, you know, | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
when one reads about the processing that went on, | 0:22:07 | 0:22:09 | |
you know, the publicity machine that projected them. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:13 | |
One finds it difficult to believe | 0:22:13 | 0:22:15 | |
that they could ever sort of live up to that kind of glamour. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:18 | |
Well, I think they had an awful time, | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
because when the public really identified itself, | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
they saw in those people what they would really love to be. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
This is true, I think. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:28 | |
And they saw their ideas of courage and cowardice | 0:22:28 | 0:22:30 | |
and good looks and all that, | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
but they also had a terrible wish to see the script come full circle, | 0:22:33 | 0:22:39 | |
so that if, as in the normal course of events, | 0:22:39 | 0:22:42 | |
they got older and other people took their places, | 0:22:42 | 0:22:44 | |
or they had terrible home lives or they had illnesses | 0:22:44 | 0:22:48 | |
or, indeed, committed suicide, which a tragic number did... | 0:22:48 | 0:22:52 | |
...the public sort of said, | 0:22:52 | 0:22:53 | |
"Well, it had to happen. That's right. That's correct." | 0:22:53 | 0:22:57 | |
You know? It was very strange. | 0:22:57 | 0:22:59 | |
What about the most unbelievable film star of the lot, | 0:22:59 | 0:23:01 | |
though, David, Garbo? | 0:23:01 | 0:23:02 | |
Because you knew her quite well, didn't you? | 0:23:02 | 0:23:04 | |
Yes. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:05 | |
I mean, would she really want to be alone all the time? | 0:23:05 | 0:23:08 | |
Oh, no question. She was terribly shy. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
Really? | 0:23:11 | 0:23:12 | |
And my wife is Swedish, and we got to know her very well. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
Terribly shy. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:17 | |
And really wanted no part of anything else except keeping herself in. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:21 | |
For instance, in our own house, she went there many, many times, | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
and one day, I said to her, "Oh, look" - | 0:23:24 | 0:23:26 | |
we had a Swedish cook at the time, or somebody was Swedish in the house - | 0:23:26 | 0:23:30 | |
"Will you sign something for her?" | 0:23:30 | 0:23:32 | |
No. Wouldn't do it. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:34 | |
But this is genuine. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:35 | |
Shy in that sense, | 0:23:35 | 0:23:37 | |
and yet, reading your book, | 0:23:37 | 0:23:38 | |
she wasn't averse to taking her clothes off | 0:23:38 | 0:23:40 | |
and going and having a skinny dip. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:42 | |
Oh, no, the first naked woman that my two small sons ever saw | 0:23:42 | 0:23:44 | |
was Garbo in our swimming pool. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:46 | |
- Really? - Mm. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:47 | |
And I had a look, too. Lovely. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:49 | |
David, what about... | 0:23:53 | 0:23:55 | |
When one thinks of that period as well - you mentioned MGM - | 0:23:55 | 0:23:57 | |
you were under contract, of course, | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
to possibly the most extraordinary character | 0:24:00 | 0:24:01 | |
that even Hollywood invented, | 0:24:01 | 0:24:03 | |
which was Samuel Goldwyn. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:04 | |
What was he like? How did you find him? | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
Well, he was the greatest, I think, | 0:24:07 | 0:24:08 | |
because he started the whole business, anyway, | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
and he was the only... | 0:24:11 | 0:24:12 | |
...the only producer in the world, I think, | 0:24:13 | 0:24:15 | |
who put his own money into the pictures, those huge golden pictures. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
He never went to the bank. He put his own money in. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:21 | |
He used to say, "The banks can't afford me," you know? | 0:24:21 | 0:24:24 | |
And I was under contract to him for 15 years. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:26 | |
And his name wasn't originally Goldwyn at all. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:28 | |
- No? - No, it was Goldfish. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:30 | |
True. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:32 | |
And Sam arrived from Poland, | 0:24:32 | 0:24:34 | |
because all those fellas who started the Dream Factory, oddly enough, | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
they were all, practically without exception, | 0:24:37 | 0:24:40 | |
from the ghettos of Europe. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:41 | |
LB Mayer and Goldwyn, who started Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, | 0:24:41 | 0:24:45 | |
came from... Sam from Poland, Mayer from Russia. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
Zukor, who started Paramount, came from Hungary. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
Carl Laemmle, who started Universal, came from Germany. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
And Lewis Selznick, who had a finger in every pile, came also from Russia. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
Sam arrived with an unpronounceable Polish name in New York, | 0:24:57 | 0:25:02 | |
and he was about 15 years old, | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
and the Irish immigration man said, "Forget it. Goldfish." | 0:25:04 | 0:25:08 | |
And he called him Sam Goldfish, | 0:25:08 | 0:25:10 | |
and he entered America - this is true - as Goldfish. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:13 | |
And later on, he sold gloves for a bit, | 0:25:13 | 0:25:15 | |
and then he became interested in the infant movie business. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
And he teamed up with a man, | 0:25:18 | 0:25:20 | |
a young Canadian writer called Cecil B DeMille. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:24 | |
And he got 20,000 together | 0:25:24 | 0:25:27 | |
and dispatched DeMille to make a movie | 0:25:27 | 0:25:29 | |
at a place called Flagstaff, Arizona, in the desert, | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
called The Squaw Man. It was the first picture. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
And it rained for 18 days in Flagstaff, | 0:25:35 | 0:25:37 | |
and DeMille panicked and disappeared | 0:25:37 | 0:25:39 | |
and sent a cable to Sam, saying, | 0:25:39 | 0:25:41 | |
"I've just rented a hut in the middle of an orange field | 0:25:41 | 0:25:45 | |
"in a village called Hollywood," | 0:25:45 | 0:25:47 | |
and that really was the start. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:49 | |
And Goldwyn went out there... | 0:25:49 | 0:25:50 | |
met a man called - it's nearly over, this long, dull story - | 0:25:50 | 0:25:54 | |
met a man called Archie Selwyn, and they formed a company, | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
Archie Selwyn and Sam Goldfish. | 0:25:57 | 0:25:59 | |
And, unbelievably, they took two halves of their name | 0:25:59 | 0:26:01 | |
and they called it the Selfish Company. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:03 | |
Unbelievable! | 0:26:04 | 0:26:06 | |
And then wiser counsels prevailed, | 0:26:06 | 0:26:07 | |
and they took the other halves and called it the Goldwyn Company, | 0:26:07 | 0:26:09 | |
and Sam, with a piece of massive commercial treachery, | 0:26:09 | 0:26:13 | |
nipped off and changed his own name to Goldwyn. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:17 | |
And poor Archie Selwyn was left out in the cold. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
That's absolutely astonishing. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:21 | |
Astonishing man. Great producer. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:23 | |
And what about the Goldwynisms? | 0:26:23 | 0:26:25 | |
I mean, were they true or were they manufactured? | 0:26:25 | 0:26:27 | |
A lot of them. You know, one heard about "Include me out" | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
and "I'll tell you in two words - im possible," | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
and "We've all passed a lot of water since those days," | 0:26:33 | 0:26:35 | |
you know, that sort of thing. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:37 | |
I actually, honestly, honestly only heard him pull one big one | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
when I was there in the whole time. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:44 | |
What was that? Do you remember? | 0:26:44 | 0:26:45 | |
I do indeed, but it's rather an American joke. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:47 | |
- I hope our friends won't... - No! | 0:26:47 | 0:26:48 | |
Well, quick, anyway. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
Field Marshal Montgomery came out, | 0:26:51 | 0:26:53 | |
for something just after the war to do with NATO, | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
and he was doing something in San Diego with the American navy. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
And Sam Goldwyn gave a party for him | 0:26:59 | 0:27:01 | |
and invited 40 carefully selected people from Hollywood, | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
and I found myself at a table of four | 0:27:04 | 0:27:06 | |
with Field Marshall Montgomery sitting there. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:08 | |
and Frances Goldwyn, Sam's wife, there, and Gary Cooper's wife there. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:13 | |
And Goldwyn got a bit nervous, because of the field marshal, | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
and the only time he perked up at all | 0:27:16 | 0:27:18 | |
was when somebody said "Shooting tomorrow," | 0:27:18 | 0:27:20 | |
and he thought it was, you know... | 0:27:20 | 0:27:21 | |
Frances flashed Sam to make a speech, to say something, | 0:27:24 | 0:27:29 | |
and Goldwyn tapped his glass and got up, | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
and I heard him say behind me - he had a funny voice - he said, | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
CLIPPED: "It gives me great pleasure to introduce to Hollywood | 0:27:35 | 0:27:38 | |
"Marshall Field Montgomery." | 0:27:38 | 0:27:40 | |
This is, for those who don't know, | 0:27:41 | 0:27:42 | |
the biggest store. It's like Harrods, isn't it? | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
And so Frances Goldwyn looked as though she'd been hit with a halibut. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:49 | |
And, erm, Jack Warner, without a moment's hesitation, | 0:27:49 | 0:27:51 | |
said "Montgomery Ward, you mean," which is another one, but anyway... | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
That was the only time I ever heard him pull one. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:56 | |
What about the processing, though, | 0:27:56 | 0:27:57 | |
that went on with you, David, under that? | 0:27:57 | 0:27:58 | |
I mean, when Goldwyn put you under contract, | 0:27:58 | 0:28:00 | |
what happened to you then, when the publicity boys got hold of you? | 0:28:00 | 0:28:03 | |
Well, for instance, they had this sort of questionnaire thing. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:05 | |
They asked you who was your mother, and I said she was French. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:07 | |
He said, "That's great! We can use that." | 0:28:07 | 0:28:10 | |
And he said, "What about your father?" | 0:28:10 | 0:28:11 | |
I said, "Well, he was killed in the Dardanelles when I was four." | 0:28:11 | 0:28:14 | |
"Great!" | 0:28:14 | 0:28:15 | |
I said, "Well, thanks very much!" | 0:28:15 | 0:28:17 | |
So he said, "What rank?" | 0:28:17 | 0:28:18 | |
I said, "He was a lieutenant." | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
"No good. No good at all." | 0:28:21 | 0:28:23 | |
And they made him a general. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:25 | |
And I was always the son of the famous Scottish general, you know? | 0:28:25 | 0:28:28 | |
Poor Father! | 0:28:28 | 0:28:30 | |
And also they made you an assistant, didn't they? | 0:28:30 | 0:28:31 | |
Goldwyn insisted that you went out on the boards for a while, | 0:28:31 | 0:28:33 | |
went out and got some stage experience. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:35 | |
Yes, he did indeed. He said, "Now go and get some experience," | 0:28:35 | 0:28:37 | |
because he only had four people under contract at any one time. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:40 | |
And he had me for nothing, obviously, | 0:28:40 | 0:28:43 | |
and he had Gary Cooper and Ronald Colman and somebody else. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:46 | |
I've forgotten. Oh, yes, a Russian actress called Anna Sten. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:50 | |
And so he packed me off, | 0:28:50 | 0:28:51 | |
and I went to one of those theatres they had in those days, | 0:28:51 | 0:28:54 | |
because, you see, they used to bring a few people out from New York, | 0:28:54 | 0:28:57 | |
from the theatre, | 0:28:57 | 0:28:58 | |
and it was 20 hours by air, anyway, | 0:28:58 | 0:29:00 | |
flying at 5,000 feet through all that muck | 0:29:00 | 0:29:02 | |
and hitting mountains and everything, | 0:29:02 | 0:29:04 | |
or four days on a train to get there from New York. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:07 | |
So you had to do it right there as an extra, | 0:29:07 | 0:29:08 | |
and all the extras were would-be stars. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:10 | |
And I enlisted in one of those strange theatres | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
where the actors worked in the night | 0:29:13 | 0:29:16 | |
hoping that scouts would come round from the studios and see them. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:19 | |
And I went to the Pasadena Playhouse, which was a very smart one, I think, | 0:29:20 | 0:29:26 | |
and I got a job in a play called Wedding. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:29 | |
And I was one of 62 guests at the thing. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
And I shared a dressing room with a maniac - | 0:29:32 | 0:29:36 | |
who's now a dentist in Omaha, quite rightly - | 0:29:36 | 0:29:40 | |
and he found a whisky called Mist of the Moors scotch, | 0:29:40 | 0:29:44 | |
which was made in Burbank, just round the corner - | 0:29:44 | 0:29:48 | |
anyway, varnish remover, it was. | 0:29:48 | 0:29:51 | |
I didn't worry, I had nothing to do, | 0:29:51 | 0:29:52 | |
I came on as the curtain went up with a big bowl of punch | 0:29:52 | 0:29:56 | |
for the guests, you know, and put it on a table, and went off. | 0:29:56 | 0:30:00 | |
Second act, I had to recognise another guest, I came on and went... | 0:30:00 | 0:30:05 | |
My second act. Then the third act was my big deal - | 0:30:05 | 0:30:08 | |
I had to snatch a conversation with this fellow, | 0:30:08 | 0:30:11 | |
and on my dying oath, this is true, I had to say... | 0:30:11 | 0:30:15 | |
"Well, I tell you, the King of Siam does." | 0:30:16 | 0:30:20 | |
I swear! and he had to say, "Well, I know the King of Siam | 0:30:22 | 0:30:24 | |
"and I tell you he doesn't." And I had to say, "Oh..." | 0:30:24 | 0:30:30 | |
And we'd go off, that was my part. So, for the opening night... | 0:30:30 | 0:30:33 | |
I went round saying, "I'm playing with a rather interesting girl | 0:30:33 | 0:30:38 | |
"at the Playhouse this week, I think if she gets the right breaks..." | 0:30:38 | 0:30:42 | |
So the word went round that I was a great big star. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
I went to my dressing room, this ass, this fool | 0:30:45 | 0:30:48 | |
with this bottle of Mist of the Moors, | 0:30:48 | 0:30:51 | |
and...telegrams arriving from people I'd now met. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:54 | |
"Good luck, the first 30 years are the hardest, Clark Gable." | 0:30:54 | 0:30:58 | |
I thought something had gone wrong, so I had a few belts at the Mist, | 0:30:58 | 0:31:02 | |
went upstairs with my bowl of punch and came on - to a thunderous hand! | 0:31:02 | 0:31:07 | |
I did the... Unforgiveable, I put the thing...looked down, | 0:31:07 | 0:31:11 | |
see who was there. And Herbert Marshall, a big star of the day, | 0:31:11 | 0:31:15 | |
had brought a surprise party of 30 - big stars, Gloria Swanson, | 0:31:15 | 0:31:19 | |
Charles Laughton, all out there to see me in my big star thing. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:23 | |
And I...panicked, and tottered off the stage, with the bowl of punch, | 0:31:23 | 0:31:27 | |
thereby screwing up the play entirely, because underneath it | 0:31:27 | 0:31:31 | |
was a note for the leading lady, I don't know. Went downstairs, | 0:31:31 | 0:31:35 | |
"God, give me some Mist," and he gave me an umbrella stand of Mist. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:39 | |
then I came up again and thought, "They mustn't see me," you know? | 0:31:39 | 0:31:43 | |
This time I ran across the stage, like this. Now, the third act - | 0:31:43 | 0:31:48 | |
we'd had a lot of Mist by now, and I was brave and I didn't mind, | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
and I took this poor man with the arm, and I said, "Now, look, | 0:31:51 | 0:31:55 | |
"I don't want to impose my rather strong personality | 0:31:55 | 0:31:59 | |
"on your very dull brain. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:02 | |
"But I have it right from the horse's mouth, | 0:32:02 | 0:32:05 | |
"I have it on the finest authority that the King of Siam DOES!" | 0:32:05 | 0:32:09 | |
And he said, "Jesus Christ!" | 0:32:09 | 0:32:11 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:32:11 | 0:32:13 | |
LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE | 0:32:13 | 0:32:16 | |
Out, out. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:19 | |
Terrible. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:22 | |
And that was it - Mr Gilmore-Brown, | 0:32:22 | 0:32:24 | |
"Out of my theatre, both of you." First night. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:27 | |
- Really? - Yes. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:28 | |
- You we...! - Mist and all! | 0:32:28 | 0:32:30 | |
You went back to the stage again later on, | 0:32:30 | 0:32:33 | |
when you were a star, in fact, | 0:32:33 | 0:32:35 | |
- and you... - To the stage, I see what you mean. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:37 | |
- Yes. - Yes, with... Was it Nana, you did? | 0:32:37 | 0:32:41 | |
- Nina! - Nina. Nana! Yes. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:43 | |
With somebody who was in the audience that night. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:46 | |
I thought you meant in the audience now, I nearly fainted. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:48 | |
No! Gloria Swanson. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:50 | |
- Yes, that's right. - That was traumatic, wasn't it? | 0:32:50 | 0:32:52 | |
That was ghastly, it was ghastly. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
It was quite a good play in French, | 0:32:55 | 0:32:57 | |
but it was pretty bloody awful | 0:32:57 | 0:32:58 | |
the way we did it in English, I know that. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:00 | |
And we did it... There were three of us in the play - Gloria, | 0:33:00 | 0:33:04 | |
who played my mistress, | 0:33:04 | 0:33:06 | |
and Alan Webb, who played her husband - he's a wonderful actor. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:09 | |
And that was all, just the three people. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:11 | |
And we opened in Connecticut, Hartford and Boston and those places, | 0:33:11 | 0:33:15 | |
then we opened on Broadway, and I'd never done this in my life! | 0:33:15 | 0:33:18 | |
Oh, don't! And Swanson... | 0:33:18 | 0:33:20 | |
had a theory that actors should always have something else to do | 0:33:20 | 0:33:23 | |
except act, she was very right - | 0:33:23 | 0:33:25 | |
and she said... So, she had a clothing company on the side, | 0:33:25 | 0:33:28 | |
called the Pilgrim Corset Corporation or something like that. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:32 | |
And she had a clause in her contract that this company should design | 0:33:32 | 0:33:35 | |
the clothes that she wore in this play, | 0:33:35 | 0:33:37 | |
and they were pretty grisly garments, | 0:33:37 | 0:33:38 | |
I can tell you, they were awful. Anyway, she looked...frightening. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:42 | |
Erm, she wore some pretty funny things in...out of town, | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
but when we came to Broadway, | 0:33:45 | 0:33:47 | |
Alan Webb and I played the first, explanatory scene, he's the husband, | 0:33:47 | 0:33:50 | |
he his behind the curtain, and the bell rings, | 0:33:50 | 0:33:53 | |
and it's my mistress coming, | 0:33:53 | 0:33:55 | |
and I've been rehearsing how to get rid of her. | 0:33:55 | 0:33:57 | |
In she comes, and she had to fling herself into my arms, | 0:33:57 | 0:34:00 | |
and I'm pretty nervous, because out there's Rex Harrison, | 0:34:00 | 0:34:02 | |
my old chum, and Tallulah Bankhead and all these people, everybody, | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
opening night. And in came Swanson | 0:34:05 | 0:34:09 | |
in a sort of black taffeta tent. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:11 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:34:11 | 0:34:13 | |
She's very tiny, she comes up to about here. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:15 | |
And her head's sticking out the top of this tent. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:17 | |
And she flung herself into my arms, | 0:34:17 | 0:34:19 | |
and I was so frightened and unnerved by the whole thing that I grabbed her | 0:34:19 | 0:34:23 | |
and tried to smile | 0:34:23 | 0:34:25 | |
and my lip was so dry that it got stuck above my teeth, like this. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:30 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:34:30 | 0:34:32 | |
I got this... And I... | 0:34:32 | 0:34:34 | |
And I... And I squeezed too hard in the opening clinch, | 0:34:34 | 0:34:39 | |
and there was suddenly...a loud report | 0:34:39 | 0:34:42 | |
and a sort of twanging noise, | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
and out of her chest came 4.5 inches of white whalebone | 0:34:45 | 0:34:49 | |
and...and I'm there, and... | 0:34:49 | 0:34:52 | |
And... | 0:34:52 | 0:34:53 | |
it was absolutely... | 0:34:53 | 0:34:55 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:34:55 | 0:34:57 | |
Ooh, that... Oh! | 0:34:57 | 0:34:59 | |
In case you don't believe me, to prove to you this is true, | 0:35:00 | 0:35:04 | |
I've still got the review that Walter Kerr wrote, | 0:35:04 | 0:35:06 | |
who was the Herald Tribune man... | 0:35:06 | 0:35:09 | |
"We understood from the programme | 0:35:09 | 0:35:10 | |
"that Miss Swanson designed her own clothes - | 0:35:10 | 0:35:12 | |
"like the play, they fell apart in the first act!" | 0:35:12 | 0:35:15 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:35:15 | 0:35:17 | |
You framed that one, did you? | 0:35:17 | 0:35:19 | |
What about reviews of your... of your own work, David? | 0:35:19 | 0:35:23 | |
I've only actually got one, I haven't got it any more, but... | 0:35:23 | 0:35:25 | |
What's that? | 0:35:25 | 0:35:26 | |
The first one I ever got from the Detroit Free Press | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
in a Goldwyn picture, called Splendour. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:32 | |
And it said, | 0:35:32 | 0:35:35 | |
"In this picture we were privileged to see | 0:35:35 | 0:35:37 | |
"Mr Samuel Goldwyn's latest discovery. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:40 | |
"All we can say about this actor - question mark - | 0:35:40 | 0:35:42 | |
"is that he is tall, dark and not the slightest bit handsome." | 0:35:42 | 0:35:47 | |
That would have been awful receiving that. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:49 | |
- Couldn't get much worse. - Absolutely terrible. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:52 | |
David, of all the... Of all the... You mentioned there, | 0:35:52 | 0:35:55 | |
erm, Gloria Sawnson - | 0:35:55 | 0:35:57 | |
of all the leading ladies that you worked with, | 0:35:57 | 0:35:59 | |
which did you enjoy most of all, do you think? | 0:35:59 | 0:36:01 | |
Which gave you most pleasure, working with? | 0:36:01 | 0:36:03 | |
- Without question, Deborah Kerr. - Really? I interviewed her recently. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:06 | |
Oh, she's such a sensational person to work with. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
She's a marvellous human being anyway, utterly generous to work with | 0:36:09 | 0:36:13 | |
and such fun - | 0:36:13 | 0:36:15 | |
a ghastly giggler, that's the only thing, she giggles a great deal. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
- Really? - Oh! | 0:36:18 | 0:36:20 | |
But a dream to work with, | 0:36:20 | 0:36:21 | |
any actor who works with her should be on his knees. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
- Yes. - The biggest male giggler, | 0:36:24 | 0:36:26 | |
I give you 1,000 guesses, you'd never get it, is Marlon Brando. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:30 | |
That's unbelievable. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:31 | |
I did a picture with him, we were playing two crooks, | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
and every day, we had to work together, | 0:36:34 | 0:36:36 | |
and he's such a fearful giggler, and I'm pretty bad, | 0:36:36 | 0:36:40 | |
that in the end, we played whole scenes | 0:36:40 | 0:36:42 | |
looking at the tops of each other's heads. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:44 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:36:44 | 0:36:46 | |
Lovely man. | 0:36:46 | 0:36:47 | |
Also at that time, when you were in Hollywood, | 0:36:47 | 0:36:49 | |
apart from actors, actresses, producers, directors, | 0:36:49 | 0:36:53 | |
there were one or two extraordinary writing talents around, too, | 0:36:53 | 0:36:56 | |
- weren't there? - Oh, yes. | 0:36:56 | 0:36:58 | |
Scott Fitzgerald, he worked in Hollywood for a time, | 0:36:58 | 0:37:00 | |
they all did their stint. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:01 | |
He did. Goldwyn had Scott Fitzgerald under contract, | 0:37:02 | 0:37:04 | |
and he had Robert Sherwood at the same time. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:07 | |
In fact, Scott Fitzgerald was fired by Goldwyn for a line he wrote | 0:37:07 | 0:37:10 | |
- in a movie that I was in. - Really? | 0:37:10 | 0:37:12 | |
We were doing Raffles, just before the war, and Scott was there, | 0:37:12 | 0:37:16 | |
and he was on the sauce a good bit, you know, by that time. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:20 | |
- Yes, mmm. - And, erm, | 0:37:20 | 0:37:22 | |
he had to polish up the dialogue of Raffles, | 0:37:22 | 0:37:25 | |
and I had to say to Olivia de Havilland, | 0:37:25 | 0:37:27 | |
who was the leading lady, I had to say... | 0:37:27 | 0:37:29 | |
..er, "Part your lips, | 0:37:30 | 0:37:32 | |
"smile." | 0:37:32 | 0:37:34 | |
She did this, then I said, | 0:37:34 | 0:37:36 | |
"Who is your dentist?" You know... | 0:37:36 | 0:37:38 | |
And Scott was fired, he was thrown out. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:40 | |
- Really? - Yep. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:41 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:37:41 | 0:37:43 | |
He was a tragic figure, wasn't he? What a talent, and wasted. | 0:37:43 | 0:37:47 | |
- Terrible talent, great talent. - Talking about being on the sauce, | 0:37:47 | 0:37:50 | |
you had a period there, didn't you, with Errol Flynn, where...? | 0:37:50 | 0:37:53 | |
- What was it, cirrhosis by the sea? - Yes. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:55 | |
- Yes. - It was, yes. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:56 | |
- It was the name of the house! - Yes! | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
You were... What kind of public reaction was there | 0:38:01 | 0:38:04 | |
to the life that you and Flynn led? | 0:38:04 | 0:38:07 | |
Did you ever have clean up Flynn and Niven campaigns going on? | 0:38:07 | 0:38:10 | |
- Well, there was one woman... - Really? | 0:38:10 | 0:38:11 | |
Oh, god! There was a woman in New York | 0:38:11 | 0:38:13 | |
who decided to clean up Hollywood, | 0:38:13 | 0:38:15 | |
and to start with Errol and I - | 0:38:15 | 0:38:17 | |
we shared this house for 18 months together. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:19 | |
But she was going to come out and start on us, | 0:38:19 | 0:38:22 | |
you know, clean us up. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:23 | |
And of course, she came out by train, took four days, | 0:38:24 | 0:38:28 | |
giving interviews at every bus stop. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:30 | |
By the time she arrived at Union Station in Los Angeles, | 0:38:30 | 0:38:34 | |
it was astronomical. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:35 | |
So, the studio put us on a boat and said, | 0:38:35 | 0:38:37 | |
"Get out of the whole place," you know. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:38 | |
- It was really very ugly indeed. - Yeah. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:41 | |
But poor Errol, he was put in jail - no, he wasn't put in jail, | 0:38:41 | 0:38:44 | |
he was, er, sued and summoned | 0:38:44 | 0:38:46 | |
and sued for statutory rape, you know. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:49 | |
Which is absolutely unfair, because the girl, I remember the girl | 0:38:49 | 0:38:53 | |
and she can sue me if she likes... | 0:38:53 | 0:38:56 | |
Her name was Slatterly, something Slatterly. | 0:38:56 | 0:38:59 | |
I remember her often around the place then, and she was... | 0:38:59 | 0:39:03 | |
I swear to you, I thought she was...had to be 22, 23. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:08 | |
And Flynn took her on his boat, and then she said she'd been raped. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:13 | |
And he was... I was back in England by that time. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:16 | |
He was staggered that this had happened | 0:39:16 | 0:39:19 | |
and at the trial, she showed up | 0:39:19 | 0:39:22 | |
with no make-up, pig tails and bobby socks, you know? | 0:39:22 | 0:39:25 | |
- Mmm, mmm. - You know? | 0:39:25 | 0:39:26 | |
And she was actually apparently about... | 0:39:26 | 0:39:28 | |
just under age, whatever it was. | 0:39:28 | 0:39:30 | |
He very nearly went to the box for years. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:32 | |
Yes. I suppose at this time that, er, | 0:39:33 | 0:39:35 | |
that the studio was looking after you all the time, and anything like this, | 0:39:35 | 0:39:39 | |
it sort of closed ranks, and...? | 0:39:39 | 0:39:41 | |
Well, it did, you see. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:42 | |
Take Clark Gable, for instance, not that he ever needed ranks closed, | 0:39:42 | 0:39:46 | |
but he was the king of Metro-Goldwyn, | 0:39:46 | 0:39:48 | |
which was the great studio, the biggest. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:49 | |
And to make sure that Clark really never made a bad picture, | 0:39:49 | 0:39:54 | |
they had, I well remember it, they had | 0:39:54 | 0:39:57 | |
six or seven top writers who had nothing to do | 0:39:57 | 0:40:00 | |
except find, polish and perfect the perfect vehicle for Gable's talent, | 0:40:00 | 0:40:05 | |
- as a personality, really. - Yes. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:07 | |
So that every Gable picture was an awfully good picture, and everyone | 0:40:07 | 0:40:11 | |
- made so many million dollars. - Yes. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:13 | |
So they had to protect these creatures. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:15 | |
Not creatures, he was a great man, but... | 0:40:15 | 0:40:17 | |
Yes, yes. What about | 0:40:17 | 0:40:19 | |
the other thing about Hollywood, David, | 0:40:19 | 0:40:21 | |
I mean, was there, to your knowledge, | 0:40:21 | 0:40:22 | |
not that you ever lay on it, | 0:40:22 | 0:40:24 | |
but was there a casting couch, as such? | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
I think there certainly was, you know, but I think | 0:40:27 | 0:40:29 | |
very much in the lower echelon, | 0:40:29 | 0:40:31 | |
I don't think that anybody like David Selznick | 0:40:31 | 0:40:33 | |
or Goldwyn was ever shoving actresses down on the casting couch, | 0:40:33 | 0:40:37 | |
I really don't think for one minute. But I'm quite sure | 0:40:37 | 0:40:39 | |
that wretched girls who were trying to get started | 0:40:39 | 0:40:43 | |
would assist the assistants, you know, if there was any | 0:40:43 | 0:40:46 | |
chance of helping things along, but... | 0:40:46 | 0:40:49 | |
That did go on, and also, don't forget that... | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
..outside Central Casting, when I was an extra, there was a big sign up, | 0:40:53 | 0:40:57 | |
saying, "Don't try and become an actor. | 0:40:57 | 0:40:59 | |
"For every one we employ, we turn away 2,000." | 0:40:59 | 0:41:02 | |
So, the competition was frightening | 0:41:02 | 0:41:03 | |
and ferocious, and these girls, any girl | 0:41:03 | 0:41:05 | |
that won a beauty contest anywhere in the world | 0:41:05 | 0:41:08 | |
sooner or later would arrive with a one-way ticket to Hollywood | 0:41:08 | 0:41:11 | |
and they were working in the shops and the car hops and brothels, and... | 0:41:11 | 0:41:15 | |
- Pathetic, it was really pathetic. - Yes. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:19 | |
In your book you outlined several ploys | 0:41:19 | 0:41:20 | |
that you had about getting to the notice | 0:41:20 | 0:41:22 | |
of producers and things, Zanuck and people like that. | 0:41:22 | 0:41:25 | |
You even went as far as playing polo with Zanuck, didn't you? | 0:41:25 | 0:41:29 | |
Well, yes, but that was quite by mistake. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:32 | |
I... I mean, the whole thing of Hollywood, for people like me, | 0:41:32 | 0:41:35 | |
was to sit out the broke periods and | 0:41:35 | 0:41:37 | |
keep going by working on fishing boats, | 0:41:37 | 0:41:39 | |
which I did, and that sort of thing, until you got a break. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:43 | |
You never knew where they were coming from, and often they lead to nothing, | 0:41:43 | 0:41:45 | |
but I was standing outside a casting office, United Artists Studios, | 0:41:45 | 0:41:50 | |
and Douglas Fairbanks Snr, the great Douglas, | 0:41:50 | 0:41:53 | |
drove through the gates, and he was a wonderful man | 0:41:53 | 0:41:56 | |
but he couldn't remember | 0:41:56 | 0:41:57 | |
to put the right name with the right face, | 0:41:57 | 0:42:00 | |
and he thought I, standing in line | 0:42:00 | 0:42:01 | |
with a lot of extras, was a golfer called Bobby Sweeney, | 0:42:01 | 0:42:05 | |
who once won the Amateur Championship here in America, | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
and he said, "Hi, come on in!" I was taken out of the line | 0:42:08 | 0:42:12 | |
and got in his car and thought, "God!" | 0:42:12 | 0:42:14 | |
So, I had to tell him I wasn't Bobby Sweeney. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:17 | |
He was wonderful, he said, "Oh, come and have a steam." | 0:42:17 | 0:42:21 | |
The last thing I wanted was a Turkish bath, I wanted a nice hot lunch. | 0:42:21 | 0:42:25 | |
So, he took me into this steam room, | 0:42:25 | 0:42:28 | |
and it's a scene from a movie, I was stark naked on a marble slab, | 0:42:28 | 0:42:32 | |
with Douglas Fairbanks - and I'm an extra - | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
Sam Goldwyn, Joe Schenck the head of 20th Century Fox, | 0:42:35 | 0:42:39 | |
Darryl Zanuck, who... | 0:42:39 | 0:42:42 | |
had a lot of teeth, Bob Benchley described him | 0:42:42 | 0:42:46 | |
as the only man in the world who could eat an apple | 0:42:46 | 0:42:49 | |
through a tennis racket. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:50 | |
And Darryl Zanuck, and, er... | 0:42:50 | 0:42:54 | |
Oh, yes, and Aidan Rourke, who was a 10-handicap, erm... | 0:42:54 | 0:42:59 | |
polo player, who looked after Zanuck's ponies, | 0:42:59 | 0:43:01 | |
and did some reading for him, | 0:43:01 | 0:43:03 | |
and a man called Sam the Barber, that's right. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:05 | |
And I'm fainting through lack of food and the heat and everything, | 0:43:05 | 0:43:08 | |
hoping that somehow somebody would put me in a movie. | 0:43:08 | 0:43:11 | |
And Fairbanks had a wild sense of humour, and he said, | 0:43:11 | 0:43:15 | |
he knew I was broke, I'd told him, he said, | 0:43:15 | 0:43:17 | |
"Oh, Niven, what will you do this winter, | 0:43:17 | 0:43:20 | |
"play polo or bring the yacht round?" | 0:43:20 | 0:43:22 | |
Yacht! I only had 4, you know, so... | 0:43:22 | 0:43:25 | |
So I said, "Polo, polo, polo!" | 0:43:25 | 0:43:28 | |
and was carried out by Sam the Barber, | 0:43:28 | 0:43:29 | |
who threw me into the ice-cold plunge. | 0:43:29 | 0:43:31 | |
When I came to, Zanuck was bending over me and saying, | 0:43:31 | 0:43:34 | |
you know, "Did...?" Better be careful! | 0:43:34 | 0:43:37 | |
"Does he really play polo?" | 0:43:37 | 0:43:40 | |
And I heard Fairbanks saying, | 0:43:40 | 0:43:41 | |
"Yeah, he played for the British Army." | 0:43:41 | 0:43:43 | |
Played for the British Army! So, anyway, I thought it was a way in, | 0:43:43 | 0:43:46 | |
so Zanuck said, "Would you come and play with my group on Sunday?" | 0:43:46 | 0:43:49 | |
So, I said.... | 0:43:49 | 0:43:51 | |
"Aidan will fix you up." Aidan Rourke lent me these ghastly breeches | 0:43:51 | 0:43:54 | |
that were too tight - I could ride, | 0:43:54 | 0:43:55 | |
I'd done 27 Westerns by now, I rode all right. | 0:43:55 | 0:43:58 | |
and I'd done a bit of this in Malta somewhere. | 0:43:58 | 0:44:02 | |
But I'd never played properly, played with good people. | 0:44:02 | 0:44:04 | |
They were all ten-goal handicap people. | 0:44:04 | 0:44:06 | |
Aidan's put me on this thing called | 0:44:06 | 0:44:08 | |
St George, that had a muzzle and bit like a dog. | 0:44:08 | 0:44:11 | |
Frightening animal. I got onto this thing. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:14 | |
He said, "You play in the first chukker | 0:44:14 | 0:44:16 | |
"and the fourth", whatever it is. | 0:44:16 | 0:44:18 | |
"Wear the green vest and... | 0:44:18 | 0:44:19 | |
"play number one and mark Zanuck, he's bad, and..." | 0:44:19 | 0:44:21 | |
I don't know what the hell he's talking about. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:23 | |
I thought, mark Zanuck, make an impression, you know. | 0:44:23 | 0:44:25 | |
So every time Zanuck got near the ball, | 0:44:25 | 0:44:27 | |
I'd come up on this...horrible animal. | 0:44:27 | 0:44:30 | |
And then finally, it ran away, two or three... It got back. | 0:44:30 | 0:44:35 | |
For the second chukker, my knees were shaking, the brute knew this. | 0:44:35 | 0:44:39 | |
Got on it again, and I thought, "I must stay with Zanuck," like this. | 0:44:39 | 0:44:43 | |
And a man called Big Boy Williams, | 0:44:43 | 0:44:44 | |
who was a huge hitter, hit the thing... | 0:44:44 | 0:44:46 | |
Hundreds of people in the stand, including Fairbanks, | 0:44:46 | 0:44:49 | |
it went over our heads, Zanuck and me, galloping like this, | 0:44:49 | 0:44:52 | |
and I'm a bit behind, | 0:44:52 | 0:44:53 | |
and I thought, "If I can ride him off the ball, and maybe even score..." | 0:44:53 | 0:44:57 | |
Because he was the back. Getting up like this, and we were catching him, | 0:44:57 | 0:45:00 | |
and St George lent forward... and bit him in the bum. | 0:45:00 | 0:45:04 | |
Right through the... | 0:45:04 | 0:45:07 | |
And I tried to ignore this rather embarrassing action | 0:45:07 | 0:45:11 | |
at the front end, | 0:45:11 | 0:45:13 | |
and by now, we'd galloped over the ball and trodden it into the ground, | 0:45:13 | 0:45:17 | |
and there was a... | 0:45:17 | 0:45:19 | |
white mushroom top showing there, and... | 0:45:19 | 0:45:22 | |
I'd caught this going by, and I took it, | 0:45:22 | 0:45:25 | |
the awful horse grabbing him by the bum, | 0:45:25 | 0:45:27 | |
and I made a swing with my stick. | 0:45:27 | 0:45:29 | |
It went underneath Zanuck's pony's tail, | 0:45:29 | 0:45:32 | |
and the pony clamped its tail to its behind, | 0:45:32 | 0:45:35 | |
and I'm strapped onto the stick, | 0:45:35 | 0:45:37 | |
and the pony had him by the arse up that end... | 0:45:37 | 0:45:39 | |
And this...horrible triangle galloped past the stand, | 0:45:39 | 0:45:43 | |
and... | 0:45:43 | 0:45:45 | |
and Zanuck, I saw him the other day, he still talks about it. | 0:45:45 | 0:45:49 | |
I didn't work at 20th Century Fox for years! | 0:45:50 | 0:45:52 | |
When you came... You had a spell, you left Hollywood and came back | 0:45:55 | 0:45:59 | |
at the beginning of the war, didn't you, | 0:45:59 | 0:46:01 | |
and did your sort of war service? | 0:46:01 | 0:46:03 | |
What was that like, | 0:46:03 | 0:46:05 | |
was it very difficult being a film star in the army? | 0:46:05 | 0:46:08 | |
Did they allow you special privileges? | 0:46:08 | 0:46:10 | |
It was awfully tricky. That was 1939, and, erm... | 0:46:10 | 0:46:14 | |
it was phoney war time, | 0:46:14 | 0:46:15 | |
nothing was happening, people were being pulled out | 0:46:15 | 0:46:17 | |
of good jobs and warm homes, resenting it deeply, | 0:46:17 | 0:46:21 | |
hating the whole thing because nothing was happening, | 0:46:21 | 0:46:23 | |
then finding themselves in the middle of Salisbury Plain | 0:46:23 | 0:46:26 | |
being told what to do by someone they'd seen two weeks before | 0:46:26 | 0:46:29 | |
making love to Ginger Rogers or something - hated me, I think. | 0:46:29 | 0:46:32 | |
- Yes, yes. - But we muddled through. | 0:46:32 | 0:46:34 | |
It took a long time... | 0:46:34 | 0:46:36 | |
When you got back to Hollywood I suppose it had changed. | 0:46:36 | 0:46:38 | |
Oh, completely, oh, yes. | 0:46:38 | 0:46:39 | |
- It was gone, the sort of...? - Absolutely gone. | 0:46:39 | 0:46:42 | |
And a lot of the old names had gone, | 0:46:42 | 0:46:47 | |
been... A lot of them went off and got taken over, | 0:46:47 | 0:46:50 | |
and it changed very much. Don't forget that, for instance, | 0:46:50 | 0:46:54 | |
all the great gangster pictures Bogie had made just before the war, | 0:46:54 | 0:46:57 | |
and Jimmy Cagney and those people... | 0:46:57 | 0:47:00 | |
When Hitler unleashed I suppose | 0:47:00 | 0:47:02 | |
man's greatest self-inflicted wound, wasn't it, | 0:47:02 | 0:47:04 | |
with god knows how many million people killed, | 0:47:04 | 0:47:07 | |
it made no sense to see gangster pictures any more. | 0:47:07 | 0:47:10 | |
So they got down to realism, finally, in pictures, | 0:47:10 | 0:47:12 | |
- and away from the dream factory. - Mmm. | 0:47:12 | 0:47:15 | |
And people like Marlon... | 0:47:16 | 0:47:18 | |
- and Bogie had always done it, and Spencer Tracy had always done it, | 0:47:18 | 0:47:21 | |
been absolute naturalistic actors - | 0:47:21 | 0:47:23 | |
really took over. | 0:47:23 | 0:47:24 | |
And it was great, and a great improvement, really. | 0:47:24 | 0:47:28 | |
Somehow, it left you in a couple of odd situations, though, didn't it? | 0:47:28 | 0:47:31 | |
As far as work was concerned, from time to time. | 0:47:31 | 0:47:34 | |
The kind of movies that you'd made your name with, | 0:47:34 | 0:47:36 | |
up until leaving Hollywood, they weren't really there, were they? | 0:47:36 | 0:47:40 | |
No. The sort of light comedy things. | 0:47:40 | 0:47:42 | |
I mean, the experts like Carole Lombard | 0:47:42 | 0:47:44 | |
and Bill Powell and those people, no. | 0:47:44 | 0:47:47 | |
But I was, thank God for Goldwyn, | 0:47:47 | 0:47:49 | |
he kept me on under contract for another couple of years. | 0:47:49 | 0:47:52 | |
Until I lost my head and believed my own publicity | 0:47:52 | 0:47:55 | |
and told him to stuff it. | 0:47:55 | 0:47:57 | |
What was his reaction to that? | 0:47:57 | 0:47:59 | |
He fired me immediately. | 0:47:59 | 0:48:01 | |
I suppose the thing that really helped you out again | 0:48:02 | 0:48:06 | |
was meeting Mike Todd, with the Around The World. | 0:48:06 | 0:48:10 | |
He was marvellous, yes, marvellous man. | 0:48:10 | 0:48:12 | |
He is extraordinary, that man. | 0:48:12 | 0:48:13 | |
He is a legend in films, but he's only ever made one movie. | 0:48:13 | 0:48:17 | |
It's the only one he made, Around The World. He was a conman. | 0:48:17 | 0:48:20 | |
Mike, you could think of him as anything, as a great entrepreneur | 0:48:20 | 0:48:23 | |
and a great producer or a conman. | 0:48:23 | 0:48:26 | |
And...I don't know where he got the money from. | 0:48:26 | 0:48:29 | |
For weeks and weeks and weeks, nobody got paid. | 0:48:29 | 0:48:31 | |
I remember when we were in Spain, | 0:48:31 | 0:48:34 | |
I was made deputy to go and talk to Mike | 0:48:34 | 0:48:38 | |
and see if we could get some pesetas to buy something with. | 0:48:38 | 0:48:41 | |
He said, "Right," he worked it all out, what the boys would settle for. | 0:48:41 | 0:48:45 | |
And his secretary, who had lovely bosoms, | 0:48:45 | 0:48:48 | |
and she was told to put on a red sweater | 0:48:48 | 0:48:50 | |
to make her even more delectable | 0:48:50 | 0:48:53 | |
and stand on a certain street corner in Barcelona. | 0:48:53 | 0:48:57 | |
And two taxis arrived, | 0:48:57 | 0:48:58 | |
and men put suitcases at her feet full of pesetas, | 0:48:58 | 0:49:01 | |
and she got in another cab and brought them back. | 0:49:01 | 0:49:03 | |
We got paid in pesetas. | 0:49:03 | 0:49:04 | |
Same deal in Paris. | 0:49:04 | 0:49:06 | |
We got paid in francs. | 0:49:06 | 0:49:08 | |
And two or three times during the picture, it ground to a halt | 0:49:08 | 0:49:11 | |
till funny little men arrived from Chicago and some more money... | 0:49:11 | 0:49:15 | |
I don't know where he got it from, nobody ever found out. | 0:49:15 | 0:49:18 | |
To show you how broke he was, | 0:49:18 | 0:49:20 | |
there were so many leans against the picture when it was finished | 0:49:20 | 0:49:24 | |
that he wasn't allowed to take it out of the state of California. | 0:49:24 | 0:49:29 | |
For the costumes and things like that. | 0:49:29 | 0:49:31 | |
He was allowed to have it for a few hours a day to cut it. | 0:49:31 | 0:49:35 | |
Then it was locked up by the Sheriff in a safe. | 0:49:35 | 0:49:37 | |
He finally got permission to show it in New York for the opening. | 0:49:37 | 0:49:41 | |
And a very smart opening night... | 0:49:41 | 0:49:43 | |
He'd never had a sneak preview to see what it was like. | 0:49:43 | 0:49:45 | |
A smart opening night on Broadway. | 0:49:45 | 0:49:48 | |
And he sent me and my wife, took us there, flew us there, | 0:49:48 | 0:49:51 | |
champagne and caviar in the suite and all this. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:54 | |
And everybody in the audience had beautiful hardback programmes, | 0:49:54 | 0:49:58 | |
with their own name in gold on it, each one, individual programme. | 0:49:58 | 0:50:01 | |
And I know how broke he was because Bennett Cerf, the publisher, | 0:50:01 | 0:50:05 | |
produced those programmes, and the cheque for the programmes bounced. | 0:50:05 | 0:50:09 | |
And Mike got right to the wire. | 0:50:09 | 0:50:11 | |
And then the next day, he could've borrowed 55 billion. | 0:50:11 | 0:50:14 | |
He probably did. | 0:50:14 | 0:50:16 | |
- The kind of nerve I don't have. - Oh, no! | 0:50:16 | 0:50:19 | |
He's a great loss. | 0:50:19 | 0:50:20 | |
In that film too, you got a job for an old buddy of yours, | 0:50:20 | 0:50:24 | |
a marvellous man who I admire tremendously, Robert Newton. | 0:50:24 | 0:50:27 | |
Bobby Newton. A lovely actor. | 0:50:27 | 0:50:30 | |
You see, Bobby's great failing... | 0:50:30 | 0:50:31 | |
Everybody knew it, it's not telling any tales out of school. | 0:50:31 | 0:50:34 | |
Bobby, he liked the Mist of the moors too, you know. | 0:50:34 | 0:50:36 | |
- The gargle. - Yes, the gargle. | 0:50:36 | 0:50:39 | |
And he would over-mist it a bit, | 0:50:39 | 0:50:41 | |
so it was very difficult for Bobby to get employed. | 0:50:41 | 0:50:44 | |
Because he'd take off a bit and come back a bit late. | 0:50:44 | 0:50:48 | |
And so, we were talking about who should play the detective, | 0:50:48 | 0:50:51 | |
I don't know if you remember the story, Mr Fix is the detective. | 0:50:51 | 0:50:54 | |
I suggested Bobby to Mike. He said, "Great!" | 0:50:54 | 0:50:56 | |
I said, "I have to warn you, he's an old friend of mine | 0:50:56 | 0:50:59 | |
"but lately it's been very difficult for him, because..." And I explained. | 0:50:59 | 0:51:04 | |
Mike wanted to see him. I said, "Please, he's my friend, | 0:51:04 | 0:51:07 | |
"don't say, but I have to warn you." | 0:51:07 | 0:51:09 | |
He said, "I won't say a word, you'll be here with me." | 0:51:09 | 0:51:11 | |
Bobby came, and he was blue, he'd been out for about three weeks. | 0:51:11 | 0:51:15 | |
Blue face. Eyes rolling. | 0:51:15 | 0:51:17 | |
And Mike said, "Ever read Around The World in 80 Days?" | 0:51:17 | 0:51:20 | |
"Oooh, dear boy, ooh, lovely, ooh." | 0:51:20 | 0:51:22 | |
He said, "Have you ever heard of Jules Verne?" | 0:51:22 | 0:51:26 | |
"Ooh, oui, dear boy, ooh, lovely. | 0:51:26 | 0:51:28 | |
"Mr Fix, are you offering me the role, dear old cock?" | 0:51:28 | 0:51:31 | |
All this was going on. | 0:51:31 | 0:51:32 | |
Mike said, "But your pal Niven here says you're a lush." | 0:51:32 | 0:51:35 | |
I nearly died. | 0:51:36 | 0:51:38 | |
And Bobby, to his undying credit, said, "An understatement, dear boy." | 0:51:38 | 0:51:42 | |
Immediately hired, took the pledge, | 0:51:42 | 0:51:44 | |
and never had a drop through the whole picture. | 0:51:44 | 0:51:47 | |
Of all those extraordinary people, David, that you met in Hollywood, | 0:51:47 | 0:51:51 | |
and that you wrote about in your book, | 0:51:51 | 0:51:55 | |
which, when you look back, was the one you enjoyed most of all? | 0:51:55 | 0:51:59 | |
The most memorable one? | 0:51:59 | 0:52:00 | |
- I think Bogie, really. - Really? | 0:52:00 | 0:52:02 | |
Honestly, he was such an extraordinary character. | 0:52:02 | 0:52:05 | |
Frightfully intelligent, you know. | 0:52:05 | 0:52:07 | |
And a great sailor. We got together through sailing. | 0:52:07 | 0:52:10 | |
He hated me when he first met me. | 0:52:10 | 0:52:13 | |
He thought I was a very pissy Englishman, as he called me. | 0:52:13 | 0:52:16 | |
And then we became bosom, bosom, bosom friends. | 0:52:16 | 0:52:20 | |
And he actually didn't like actors much, he much preferred writers. | 0:52:20 | 0:52:25 | |
He couldn't stand at the studio, the new group of actors, | 0:52:25 | 0:52:29 | |
although he was very much the new group himself. | 0:52:29 | 0:52:32 | |
He used to call them "Scratch your arse and belch" studios. | 0:52:32 | 0:52:36 | |
But he was great. | 0:52:36 | 0:52:37 | |
The great thing about Bogie was, he was quite a physical coward, really. | 0:52:37 | 0:52:42 | |
He had no intention of getting knocked about, he was quite small. | 0:52:42 | 0:52:45 | |
And every day he'd go into a restaurant | 0:52:45 | 0:52:47 | |
and somebody would come up, | 0:52:47 | 0:52:48 | |
"Think you're so tough, Bogart?" | 0:52:48 | 0:52:50 | |
It never failed. | 0:52:50 | 0:52:52 | |
He had this very tough wife... | 0:52:52 | 0:52:54 | |
Not Betty, she's a dream. She's in London, by the way. | 0:52:54 | 0:52:56 | |
He was married to Mayo Methot, who was a very rough lady. | 0:52:56 | 0:53:00 | |
Bogie would say, "You want to make something of it?" | 0:53:00 | 0:53:03 | |
And push his wife forward. She'd hit them with a bottle! | 0:53:03 | 0:53:06 | |
Wonderful. | 0:53:06 | 0:53:08 | |
That's one way of using a wife, isn't it? | 0:53:08 | 0:53:10 | |
Yes. Oh, but, he... | 0:53:10 | 0:53:11 | |
- Am I being a bore? - Of course not! | 0:53:11 | 0:53:14 | |
One night, Bogie was here in London with Betty, | 0:53:14 | 0:53:17 | |
and Hjordis, my wife and I, and John Huston. | 0:53:17 | 0:53:20 | |
We were having dinner at Les Ambassadeurs in London. | 0:53:20 | 0:53:24 | |
And in came one of our dukes. | 0:53:24 | 0:53:27 | |
I'd better be careful here, hadn't I? | 0:53:27 | 0:53:30 | |
A very tall duke, let's put it that way. | 0:53:30 | 0:53:32 | |
And the tall duke was not too fond of me | 0:53:32 | 0:53:35 | |
because he'd invited me once to shoot at his place. | 0:53:35 | 0:53:38 | |
Some partridges, poor little brutes. | 0:53:38 | 0:53:40 | |
We were walking up some stubble, in a long line of people, you know. | 0:53:40 | 0:53:44 | |
It was quite evident to me, having been in an outfit during the war | 0:53:44 | 0:53:48 | |
that used carrier pigeons, that for miles, a carrier pigeon was coming. | 0:53:48 | 0:53:52 | |
It's like being able to tell | 0:53:52 | 0:53:54 | |
the silhouette of a Ford or a Rolls-Royce. | 0:53:54 | 0:53:56 | |
They fly quite differently from a wood pigeon. | 0:53:56 | 0:53:58 | |
It was also quite evident to me that the Duke was going to shoot it. | 0:53:58 | 0:54:02 | |
Some poor old man in Liverpool had let it go, | 0:54:02 | 0:54:04 | |
it was on its way to Devonport. | 0:54:04 | 0:54:06 | |
So he did, he hit it, miles up, down it came at his feet, | 0:54:06 | 0:54:09 | |
everybody then realised he'd shot a carrier pigeon. | 0:54:09 | 0:54:12 | |
I couldn't resist it, I said, "Are there any letters for me?" | 0:54:12 | 0:54:15 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:54:15 | 0:54:17 | |
So I was... | 0:54:17 | 0:54:19 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:54:19 | 0:54:21 | |
So I was out of the ducal department. | 0:54:25 | 0:54:27 | |
I was sitting having dinner with Betty and Bogie and John Huston, | 0:54:27 | 0:54:31 | |
and the Duke came in with a lady. | 0:54:31 | 0:54:32 | |
And saw Betty and Bogie and was very impressed, | 0:54:32 | 0:54:35 | |
came over and I introduced him. So then he had to get off. | 0:54:35 | 0:54:38 | |
He said, "When are you going to come and shoot with me again, David?" | 0:54:38 | 0:54:41 | |
I said, "Any time. I'd love to come. | 0:54:41 | 0:54:43 | |
"Just give me a date and I'll be there." | 0:54:43 | 0:54:46 | |
He said, "Well, the fourth week in February, how's that?" | 0:54:46 | 0:54:49 | |
It was then June. I said, "Lovely, fine." And he went off. | 0:54:49 | 0:54:53 | |
Bogie said, "Hey, get a load of you, shooting with a duke!" | 0:54:53 | 0:54:57 | |
Huston said, "It's not all that great a compliment, | 0:54:57 | 0:54:59 | |
"it's the end of the season, | 0:54:59 | 0:55:00 | |
"it's the time when they ask the drunken local butcher | 0:55:00 | 0:55:03 | |
"and a few other people | 0:55:03 | 0:55:04 | |
"and they go around the outside and they shoot the cocks only." | 0:55:04 | 0:55:08 | |
Bogart said, "The cocks only?" He mulled this over. | 0:55:08 | 0:55:11 | |
Pretty soon, somebody said something funny at our table, | 0:55:11 | 0:55:14 | |
and Huston went like that and laughed and fell right over backwards. | 0:55:14 | 0:55:18 | |
And rolled underneath the Duke's table. | 0:55:18 | 0:55:20 | |
So the Duke rose from his chair, | 0:55:20 | 0:55:22 | |
came over and said something very offensive, | 0:55:22 | 0:55:24 | |
"You and your Hollywood friends," or something. | 0:55:24 | 0:55:26 | |
And Bogart was out of the chair like a terrier. | 0:55:26 | 0:55:29 | |
The traditional thing would be to grab him like this. | 0:55:29 | 0:55:31 | |
But the man was up there so he grabbed him by the top fly. | 0:55:31 | 0:55:34 | |
He had him like this. | 0:55:34 | 0:55:35 | |
And lifted. The man was up, off the ground. | 0:55:35 | 0:55:38 | |
He said, "Listen to me, Duke. | 0:55:38 | 0:55:40 | |
"What do you mean, insulting my pal? Cocks only!" | 0:55:40 | 0:55:43 | |
- Have I gone too far? - No! | 0:55:50 | 0:55:52 | |
I'm going to go to jail after this, I think! | 0:55:57 | 0:55:59 | |
They'll send the producers to jail, David, not you or I. | 0:55:59 | 0:56:03 | |
Did you in fact regret the passing of Hollywood, David, as it was? | 0:56:03 | 0:56:09 | |
When you look back? | 0:56:09 | 0:56:11 | |
Well, I did, of course I did. | 0:56:11 | 0:56:13 | |
We were wonderfully spoilt. | 0:56:13 | 0:56:15 | |
Beautifully overpaid, to do, | 0:56:15 | 0:56:17 | |
I've always said, get up in the morning | 0:56:17 | 0:56:20 | |
and dress up and show off, | 0:56:20 | 0:56:22 | |
playing children's games in front of the grown-ups, | 0:56:22 | 0:56:25 | |
this is what acting is. | 0:56:25 | 0:56:26 | |
I love it. Of course, that has gone. | 0:56:26 | 0:56:28 | |
The whole progression of work for actors has gone now in the movies. | 0:56:28 | 0:56:33 | |
I don't know how young actors get started, | 0:56:33 | 0:56:35 | |
I don't know how they keep going, anyway. | 0:56:35 | 0:56:37 | |
Because, as we talked about at the beginning, | 0:56:37 | 0:56:40 | |
the studio contract lists are none. | 0:56:40 | 0:56:42 | |
I don't know how they do it. | 0:56:42 | 0:56:43 | |
What about the personal pressures of Hollywood? | 0:56:43 | 0:56:46 | |
You were separated for a while from your second wife, weren't you? | 0:56:46 | 0:56:50 | |
While you were there in Hollywood. | 0:56:50 | 0:56:52 | |
Is it fairly impossible, the pressures, to remain happy married? | 0:56:52 | 0:56:57 | |
I think, obviously, it depends on the individual. | 0:56:57 | 0:56:59 | |
I think that an awful lot go under. | 0:56:59 | 0:57:02 | |
Because it was so unreal. | 0:57:02 | 0:57:03 | |
And if you read... If you're in that cocoon and in that goldfish bowl, | 0:57:03 | 0:57:08 | |
don't forget at any one time in those days, even up until the 1960s, '65, | 0:57:08 | 0:57:14 | |
there probably were only half a dozen people | 0:57:14 | 0:57:17 | |
or a dozen at one time who were news. | 0:57:17 | 0:57:19 | |
But living in Hollywood were probably 250 members of the world press, | 0:57:19 | 0:57:24 | |
waiting for something from those people. | 0:57:24 | 0:57:26 | |
If they didn't get it, they'd make something up | 0:57:26 | 0:57:28 | |
cos they had an editor breathing down their necks. | 0:57:28 | 0:57:30 | |
Things were being stirred all the time. | 0:57:30 | 0:57:33 | |
It was an absolute false situation. | 0:57:33 | 0:57:35 | |
And entirely my fault, as a matter of fact. | 0:57:35 | 0:57:38 | |
I know that I began to take myself too seriously. | 0:57:38 | 0:57:41 | |
And my wife is not an actress, and I must have become unbearable. | 0:57:41 | 0:57:46 | |
She quite rightly took off for a bit and I had to give it a thought. | 0:57:46 | 0:57:51 | |
Why in fact did you leave Hollywood in the end? | 0:57:51 | 0:57:53 | |
You now live in the South of France. | 0:57:53 | 0:57:55 | |
- Yes. - Why did you leave? | 0:57:55 | 0:57:56 | |
I think it was a mixture of having made a bog of my marriage, | 0:57:56 | 0:58:00 | |
or nearly making a bog of it, and wanting a clean break, | 0:58:00 | 0:58:05 | |
wanting to start off again somewhere else. And also, Scot's blood me, | 0:58:05 | 0:58:09 | |
realising that the movie business was moving to Europe. | 0:58:09 | 0:58:12 | |
The combination of the two, and itchy feet, took us off. | 0:58:12 | 0:58:17 | |
And since then, of course, you've had extraordinary success | 0:58:17 | 0:58:21 | |
with this book of yours, haven't you, The Moon's A Balloon. | 0:58:21 | 0:58:24 | |
It's been published, what, a year now and you've sold 200,000 copies. | 0:58:24 | 0:58:28 | |
It's ridiculous. | 0:58:28 | 0:58:29 | |
And yesterday, we had this lunch, the publisher gave me lunch. | 0:58:29 | 0:58:33 | |
One year, yesterday, a bestseller. Very proud of that. | 0:58:33 | 0:58:36 | |
It's a very readable book, actually. It's very, very funny. | 0:58:36 | 0:58:40 | |
- Did you enjoy writing it? - Yes. | 0:58:40 | 0:58:42 | |
After all, if you're an actor, you're an egomaniac. | 0:58:42 | 0:58:46 | |
And the supreme egomania is to write 130,000 words about yourself, really. | 0:58:46 | 0:58:51 | |
Yes, yes, that's true. | 0:58:51 | 0:58:54 | |
If you look at it like that, it might give me some inspiration! | 0:58:54 | 0:58:57 | |
David, can I ask you, just a couple of final questions. | 0:58:57 | 0:59:00 | |
You've worked since leaving Hollywood, | 0:59:00 | 0:59:02 | |
you've worked all over Europe now. | 0:59:02 | 0:59:04 | |
Have you, on location and all this sort of thing, | 0:59:04 | 0:59:07 | |
have you ever had any narrow escapes at all in that time? | 0:59:07 | 0:59:11 | |
I mean, it's a fairly hairy occupation. | 0:59:11 | 0:59:13 | |
Actually, I've made movies in 14 different countries | 0:59:13 | 0:59:17 | |
in the last 10 years. | 0:59:17 | 0:59:18 | |
And many movies in some of them. | 0:59:18 | 0:59:20 | |
Yes, I've had some nasty spots. | 0:59:20 | 0:59:23 | |
John Frankenheimer nearly got me eaten by sharks in Mexico. | 0:59:23 | 0:59:26 | |
Asked me to jump off a mast. | 0:59:26 | 0:59:28 | |
I said, "What about the sharks?" He said, "There aren't any." | 0:59:28 | 0:59:31 | |
I said, "They ate three priests down the road last month!" | 0:59:31 | 0:59:35 | |
He said, "Nothing, no sharks." | 0:59:35 | 0:59:36 | |
Finally I did this thing. | 0:59:36 | 0:59:38 | |
I came out of the water, everyone clapped, | 0:59:38 | 0:59:40 | |
they thought it was very brave. | 0:59:40 | 0:59:42 | |
Two minutes later, this great grey beast went past. | 0:59:42 | 0:59:45 | |
I said, "John, you son of a... Look, shark!" | 0:59:45 | 0:59:47 | |
He said, "Dolphin, dolphin." | 0:59:47 | 0:59:49 | |
Then, oh yes, I had another horrid thing in Italy. | 0:59:50 | 0:59:53 | |
I was doing a picture with Peter Sellers up in the mountains. | 0:59:53 | 0:59:57 | |
I love to ski. | 0:59:57 | 0:59:58 | |
And it called for me to do a bit of skiing in the thing. | 0:59:58 | 1:00:01 | |
You're not allowed to ski if you're an actor in a movie, | 1:00:01 | 1:00:04 | |
because if you break something, the whole picture's through. | 1:00:04 | 1:00:06 | |
So the director said, "I want you, David, to turn into the camera." | 1:00:06 | 1:00:11 | |
I didn't want to lie. I said, "How do you turn on skis?" | 1:00:11 | 1:00:14 | |
So, he said, "You don't know how to turn?" | 1:00:14 | 1:00:17 | |
I said... I didn't lie, honestly. | 1:00:17 | 1:00:19 | |
Next thing, I knew it would happen, I saw it, | 1:00:19 | 1:00:21 | |
"Mr Niven, ski teacher to teach him how to turn." | 1:00:21 | 1:00:24 | |
It takes you about 10 years to learn how to turn. | 1:00:24 | 1:00:26 | |
Off I went, up the top of the mountain, in my movie ski things, | 1:00:26 | 1:00:30 | |
which were very thin. | 1:00:30 | 1:00:32 | |
It was unbelievably cold, it was January, | 1:00:32 | 1:00:35 | |
at Cortina, and it's high, it was 30 below zero on top. | 1:00:35 | 1:00:39 | |
I went up there with this fellow, and it was, ooh... | 1:00:39 | 1:00:41 | |
Nobody else was skiing, it was so cold. | 1:00:41 | 1:00:43 | |
So we came down, I was following him, we were going rather fast, | 1:00:43 | 1:00:46 | |
faster than I liked, really. | 1:00:46 | 1:00:48 | |
And suddenly, I get a funny feeling | 1:00:48 | 1:00:50 | |
that where I should have been the warmest, | 1:00:50 | 1:00:53 | |
I was... Something had gone terribly wrong...amidships, you know. | 1:00:53 | 1:00:57 | |
And the word, the neon sign "frostbite" went on in... | 1:00:58 | 1:01:02 | |
So... | 1:01:04 | 1:01:06 | |
So I clasped my hands here, like this, | 1:01:06 | 1:01:10 | |
thereby putting myself into the racing position and went pssshht! | 1:01:10 | 1:01:14 | |
Right past the instructor. | 1:01:14 | 1:01:16 | |
And we get to the bottom, and I know it's happened, and I panic. | 1:01:16 | 1:01:20 | |
There were four mauve men there warming themselves. | 1:01:20 | 1:01:24 | |
My Italian is very bad. I said, "Cazzo gelato!" Frozen... | 1:01:24 | 1:01:28 | |
Anyway. So they caught on, they said "Put it in the snow." | 1:01:28 | 1:01:30 | |
I said, "Put it in the snow?!" | 1:01:30 | 1:01:32 | |
Put yours in the snow! Mine's cold enough. | 1:01:34 | 1:01:36 | |
So then my man arrived, he said, "Alcohol, put it in alcohol." | 1:01:39 | 1:01:42 | |
So they put me in this terrible old taxi and drove me | 1:01:42 | 1:01:45 | |
through the main street of Cortina, which is a very chic place, you know, | 1:01:45 | 1:01:49 | |
with these four horny-handed guides keeping circulation going. | 1:01:49 | 1:01:52 | |
Oh, God! | 1:01:55 | 1:01:56 | |
APPLAUSE | 1:01:56 | 1:01:58 | |
I've heard of some uses for alcohol, but never that before! | 1:02:06 | 1:02:10 | |
David, can I finally ask you, what is the most extraordinary thing | 1:02:12 | 1:02:16 | |
that you've had to do in this extraordinary life you've had? | 1:02:16 | 1:02:19 | |
The thing when you look back, you think, | 1:02:19 | 1:02:21 | |
my word, that took some beating, | 1:02:21 | 1:02:22 | |
that was the daftest thing I've ever done. | 1:02:22 | 1:02:25 | |
Well, just the other day, something pretty spooky. | 1:02:25 | 1:02:28 | |
Lawrence Durrell, who wrote that marvellous book | 1:02:28 | 1:02:30 | |
My Family And Other Animals, he has a zoo in Jersey. | 1:02:30 | 1:02:34 | |
So he had a congra... | 1:02:35 | 1:02:38 | |
What is...when you get a whole lot of people together. | 1:02:38 | 1:02:41 | |
- Congregation. - Convention. | 1:02:41 | 1:02:43 | |
...of all the great wildlife preservationists in the world. | 1:02:43 | 1:02:47 | |
He had 600 of them there. | 1:02:47 | 1:02:49 | |
And the big thing of this congress | 1:02:49 | 1:02:51 | |
was to be the wedding of two gorillas. | 1:02:51 | 1:02:54 | |
There was a female gorilla in his zoo, and they brought from Basel | 1:02:54 | 1:02:58 | |
in Switzerland, this immense one that was going to be the husband. | 1:02:58 | 1:03:02 | |
And he asked Hjordis, my wife and I, to go and open the new gorilla cage | 1:03:02 | 1:03:07 | |
and asked me to be best man at the wedding of the two gorillas. | 1:03:07 | 1:03:11 | |
So I thought I'd go the whole way | 1:03:11 | 1:03:13 | |
and I put on the full Ascot, everything, grey top hat. | 1:03:13 | 1:03:15 | |
And I had a bouquet of bananas and corn. | 1:03:15 | 1:03:18 | |
Now, on this hill there, looking, | 1:03:18 | 1:03:20 | |
the new cage is here with the two gorillas, | 1:03:20 | 1:03:23 | |
separated because they were going to be let go afterwards. | 1:03:23 | 1:03:26 | |
Hjordis is waiting to pull the plug, opening the little plaque, | 1:03:26 | 1:03:28 | |
"Opened by Mr and Mrs D Niven," that thing. | 1:03:28 | 1:03:31 | |
And up here, there's 600 very important scientists. | 1:03:31 | 1:03:34 | |
And I'm hacking through some ghastly speech, and getting laughs, | 1:03:34 | 1:03:37 | |
I couldn't believe my eyes. | 1:03:37 | 1:03:39 | |
I wasn't trying to be funny, even. They were roaring. | 1:03:39 | 1:03:42 | |
I thought Hjordis was doing something funny. | 1:03:42 | 1:03:44 | |
I looked round, some ass had opened the gate, | 1:03:44 | 1:03:46 | |
and the two gorillas were at it right behind me. | 1:03:46 | 1:03:48 | |
Ohh, I'll get a... | 1:03:50 | 1:03:51 | |
SPEECH DROWNED BY APPLAUSE | 1:03:51 | 1:03:53 | |
I somehow think that... | 1:03:59 | 1:04:01 | |
- Can I? - Go on, carry on, please. | 1:04:01 | 1:04:02 | |
- Could I tell you one gorilla story? - You can. | 1:04:02 | 1:04:05 | |
It must be the end, because you wouldn't want me after this. | 1:04:05 | 1:04:07 | |
We won't follow this. | 1:04:07 | 1:04:08 | |
I don't think anybody will follow this. | 1:04:08 | 1:04:10 | |
- Shall I try? - Of course. | 1:04:10 | 1:04:12 | |
Well, a man came home in his little house in the row. | 1:04:12 | 1:04:18 | |
And he had one palm tree in his garden. | 1:04:18 | 1:04:21 | |
And as he walked into his house, | 1:04:21 | 1:04:23 | |
he looked up and there was a gorilla in the palm tree. | 1:04:23 | 1:04:26 | |
Now, this is Croydon or somewhere. | 1:04:27 | 1:04:29 | |
If there are palm trees in Croydon. | 1:04:29 | 1:04:32 | |
So he... "Christ!" he said, and the thing's up. | 1:04:32 | 1:04:34 | |
He ran into his house, looked through the window and it was still there. | 1:04:34 | 1:04:38 | |
He got the telephone directory, Yellow Pages, gorilla control. | 1:04:38 | 1:04:42 | |
So he found gorilla control. | 1:04:42 | 1:04:44 | |
And he said, "I've got a gorilla in my palm tree!" | 1:04:44 | 1:04:46 | |
They said, "Please, sir, relax, we'll get the gorilla. Don't panic. | 1:04:46 | 1:04:49 | |
"Give me the address, we'll be there." "Right." | 1:04:49 | 1:04:52 | |
A station wagon arrived, and out of it got a little man in a deerstalker. | 1:04:52 | 1:04:56 | |
With a tiny dog about this big, | 1:04:56 | 1:04:58 | |
and a large net and a revolver. | 1:04:58 | 1:05:02 | |
The man said, "Come on, quick, come in here!" | 1:05:02 | 1:05:04 | |
He said, "Sir, don't panic, we'll get rid of the gorilla." | 1:05:04 | 1:05:06 | |
"What are you going to do?" | 1:05:06 | 1:05:07 | |
He said, "You hold the revolver, I'll tell you what we'll do. | 1:05:07 | 1:05:10 | |
"I will go outside, climb the tree | 1:05:10 | 1:05:12 | |
"and I will shake the gorilla to the ground. | 1:05:12 | 1:05:14 | |
"The dog, which is highly trained, | 1:05:14 | 1:05:17 | |
"will then dash forward and bite the gorilla in the bleep." Aaah! | 1:05:17 | 1:05:21 | |
"This paralyses the gorilla. | 1:05:23 | 1:05:26 | |
"Whereupon... | 1:05:26 | 1:05:28 | |
"Whereupon I, whereupon I throw the net over the gorilla, tie it up, | 1:05:28 | 1:05:32 | |
"put it in the station wagon and take it to the zoo." | 1:05:32 | 1:05:34 | |
"What do I do? "Yes, I forgot about you. | 1:05:34 | 1:05:36 | |
"You hold the revolver. | 1:05:36 | 1:05:38 | |
"If anything awful happens and by mistake I shake myself to the ground, | 1:05:38 | 1:05:41 | |
"shoot the dog." | 1:05:41 | 1:05:44 | |
I'd better go now! | 1:05:46 | 1:05:48 | |
APPLAUSE | 1:05:48 | 1:05:49 | |
David, all I can say to you after that | 1:05:54 | 1:05:55 | |
is thank you very much for being my guest tonight. | 1:05:55 | 1:05:58 | |
I've really enjoyed it, thank you very much. | 1:05:58 | 1:06:00 | |
Thank you, Michael. You make it very easy. You're wonderful. | 1:06:00 | 1:06:03 | |
Marvellous. Till next week, bye-bye. | 1:06:03 | 1:06:05 |