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-A glance

-at the car's number plate...

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-..instantly informs you

-of its owner.

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-We're in Blackpool, at the home

-of Welsh pop icon Aloma Jones.

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-This old lady

-has travelled the world with me.

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-My grandfather saw it advertised

-in the Exchange and Mart.

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-When we brought it home,

-it was black.

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-The gilt was covered in black paint.

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-The gilt was covered in black paint.

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-Despite the dents...

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-..the harp

-has been a trusty companion...

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-..throughout

-her long and colourful career.

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-Every home on Anglesey should have

-a picture of Menai Bridge.

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-The journey began

-50 years ago in Llanerch-y-medd...

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-..when Tony knocked

-on Aloma's grandmother's door.

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-She became a teenage pop sensation

-and her wild and hectic life began.

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-This was the first EP.

-Just look at my hair!

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-Goodness me!

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-She was a mere 14 years of age

-when her career took off.

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-She and Tony toured for six years...

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-..before they split up temporarily

-and Aloma joined The Hennessys.

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-When that collaboration ended...

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-..she formed a lasting relationship

-with Roy James.

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-They have two daughters -

-Emma and Leah...

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-..both of whom

-are raising their own children now.

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-Before she met Roy, Aloma

-already had a daughter, Donna...

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-..who now lives

-with her family on Anglesey.

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-Aloma's grandchildren

-keep her on her toes...

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-..but she continues performing...

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-..at the Blackpool hotel...

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-..that she, Roy and Tony own

-and have run for the past 30 years.

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-I'm pretty certain that you're

-the only Aloma I know of.

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-How does a girl from Anglesey

-end up with such an unusual name?

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-My aunt had been living in London.

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-She was

-going out with a man in the RAF.

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-She'd seen a film called

-Aloma of the South Seas.

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-She loved the name.

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-Since she was the eldest daughter...

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-..she persuaded my mother

-to call me Aloma.

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-That's how I got my name.

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-It's been a perfect name

-in terms of your pop career.

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-You're known

-by just your first name.

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-You beat Beyonce to it

-by half a century!

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-But you didn't have

-a traditional family upbringing.

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-That's right. My parents

-were very young when I was born.

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-They moved to Trelogan near Rhyl...

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-..when I was a year and a half

-or two years old.

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-Mam was unwell, so she moved

-back home to live with her parents.

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-My father

-was supposed to come and fetch us.

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-There were no mobile phones in those

-days. He just had to catch the bus.

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-But he didn't show up.

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-You were waiting for him?

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-You were waiting for him?

-

-Yes, I had new clothes...

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-..to go and meet him off the bus.

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-But he didn't show up.

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-He wasn't on the bus

-the following Monday either.

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-He sent a letter, saying he'd fallen

-in love with the girl next door.

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-So my mother and I stayed with

-my grandmother and grandfather.

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-When my mother remarried

-and moved to Llangefni nearby...

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-..my grandmother didn't want me

-to move at that young age.

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-She wanted to raise me.

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-Your grandmother was

-a strong figure in your upbringing.

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-She had to be.

-My grandfather was a seaman.

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-He'd been in the navy all his life.

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-Taid would come home...

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-..Nain would get pregnant...

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-..Taid would go back to sea

-and when he returned...

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-..there was another child.

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-There were seven children in all.

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-There were seven children in all.

-

-When you think of that generation...

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-..and I'm thinking

-about my own family here...

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-..the women were very strong

-and often they were misunderstood.

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-They were sometimes

-wrongly regarded as hard women.

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-But they did everything

-out of love for their families.

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-Life was hard.

-There was no hot water.

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-The toilet was in the back garden.

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-If I wanted the loo at night,

-I had to wake my grandfather.

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-He had to put on his raincoat

-over his long johns to go outside.

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-He took the trouble of cutting up

-the Radio Times into squares...

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-..and hanging them in a binder

-on the back of the toilet door.

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-Life was hard

-but I wouldn't change a thing.

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-Your grandmother

-had musical aspirations for you.

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-She sparked your interest in music.

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-My grandmother's family

-were all singers.

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-She made sure

-all her seven children...

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-..had singing lessons

-and piano lessons.

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-Her eldest son, Vaughan...

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-..had won a prestigious competition

-at the Dolgellau Eisteddfod.

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-He was the apple of her eye

-as the first born.

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-Vaughan's aircraft was shot down

-over Germany during the war.

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-He was an air gunner. He was 19.

-Nain was never the same after that.

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-Her life changed.

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-But I've a lot to thank Vaughan for.

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-Nain received a war pension,

-as it was called.

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-As the months went by...

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-..it was used to pay for

-piano lessons one month...

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-..and harp lessons the next.

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-If it hadn't been for that...

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-..I doubt they would've been able

-to afford my musical tuition.

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-It was a great sacrifice.

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-They were willing to

-put that money towards the lessons.

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-Yes, and Nain made sure

-I went to every eisteddfod.

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-When my mother remarried...

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-..John was the best stepfather

-I could've wished for.

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-John had a car.

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-John was the driver.

-He took me to the eisteddfodau.

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-Nain and her sisters

-crammed into the back seat.

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-If I didn't win the competition...

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-..then look out!

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-God forbid anyone should beat you!

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-You performed in public

-from an early age.

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-I understand you sung

-for dignitaries at Bodedern.

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-Yes, at Presaddfed Hall.

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-Mr Radcliffe

-and his wife lived there.

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-Mr Radcliffe invited important

-people to the manor house...

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-..for pheasant

-and clay pigeon shooting.

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-Coming from a council house

-in Llanerch-y-medd...

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-..with a toilet

-in the back garden...

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-..and going to

-this manor house was incredible.

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-I'd perform

-for these influential people.

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-One year, a crowd

-of Americans had gathered there.

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-I had a chat with one of them.

-I must've been about 11 or 12.

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-He was bowled over

-by my singing and so on.

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-He explained to me that he was the

-producer of a music show in America.

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-The Ed Sullivan Show.

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-I hadn't

-really heard of it at the time.

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-He asked if I'd heard

-of The Beatles and Elvis Presley.

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-I'd obviously heard of them.

-I idolised them.

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-He'd met them when they appeared

-on this Ed Sullivan Show.

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-He brought Mr Radcliffe

-into the conversation.

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-He wondered if my family'd

-allow me to go to America...

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-..and appear

-on The Ed Sullivan Show.

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-I thought it was a little further

-than Menai Bridge at the time!

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-Maybe as far as Aberystwyth.

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-Anyway, Mr Radcliffe

-went to see Nain and Taid...

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-..and had a chat with them,

-but they said no way.

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-Nain said I was going

-no further than Aberystwyth.

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-She didn't see it as an opportunity?

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-She didn't see it as an opportunity?

-

-She didn't know where America was.

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-She didn't know

-where Aberystwyth was.

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-She was interviewed for a place at

-the College of Music in Manchester.

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-My grandparents

-came with me to the interview.

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-I'd played the piano

-and sung for them...

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-..and it went very well.

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-A woman

-came to hear me play the harp.

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-She asked me if I'd be interested

-in doing a degree in performance...

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-..instead of

-a teacher's training degree.

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-She explained to me that she was

-a harpist with the Halle Orchestra.

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-Sir John Barbirolli

-was the conductor at the time.

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-She said she could do with a deputy

-to tour with the orchestra...

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-..when they went overseas...

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-..so that she could stay at home

-to lecture in the college and so on.

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-I thought it sounded OK.

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-I hadn't travelled very much

-but it sounded OK.

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-I got back to the car and

-started telling Nain all about it.

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-Nain looked like a turkey

-in the front.

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-"What's wrong?" I said. She said,

-"You're not coming here."

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-I said, "Everything went well.

-They said there's no problem."

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-She said, "I've seen nothing but

-black people go back and forth."

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-She was of a different generation.

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-She was of a different generation.

-

-They'd never seen a black person.

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-Are you a touch annoyed

-with your grandmother...

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-..that she wasn't more enthusiastic

-about that opportunity?

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-I'm more annoyed with myself.

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-It was my decision not to go. She

-would never have stopped me going.

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-When I thought about it

-and considered...

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-..everything they'd

-done for me over the years...

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-..even though they were poor...

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-..and paid for me to have

-harp lessons, piano lessons...

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-..violin lessons, singing lessons.

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-They did

-everything they could for me...

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-..and yet

-I never reached my full potential.

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-I've said this many times...

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-..to friends and family members,

-and all they say is...

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-.."There was no-one prouder of you

-than your grandmother."

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-Nain was

-quite a crotchety character.

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-Everything had to be right.

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-But she was also...

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-..one of the most protective people

-I've ever known.

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-I'm sorry!

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-.

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-Subtitles

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-Subtitles

-

-Subtitles

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-This year, Aloma,

-it's exactly 50 years...

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-..since you and Tony

-met for the first time.

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-It was the summer of 1964,

-believe it or not.

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-How did you meet?

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-It was through my grandmother.

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-Tony came to our home,

-looking for my mother's brother.

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-He'd been singing for a while

-with various skiffle groups...

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-..and also sung duets -

-Everly Brothers' songs and so on.

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-Tony was looking for him.

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-He was arranging a concert

-in the local chapel.

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-But, of course, he wasn't home.

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-Nain invited him in, regardless.

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-"Aloma, sing.

-Play the harp. Do this."

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-I felt like a performing seal.

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-I did whatever Nain said.

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-Tony had never seen a harp.

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-I'm sure it must've been

-a bit of a wow factor for Tony.

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-He asked me if I'd

-like to perform in the concert.

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-I would've been 14 at the time.

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-I thought nothing of it.

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-But your rise from those

-humble beginnings was sudden.

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-An audience of 50

-suddenly became 500, then 1,000...

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-..and 3,000 at the eisteddfod

-in Pontrhydfendigaid and so on.

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-We were travelling from Cardiff

-late at night on a Thursday...

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-..getting in at 6.00am

-and I wouldn't go to school.

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-Did that fatigue lead to

-difficulties between the two of you?

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-Perhaps,

-but we always worked it out.

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-We'd argue with one another

-on the way to a concert.

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-We'd fight like cat and dog

-and we'd quarrel backstage.

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-I'd cry, my mascara would be running

-down my face and I'd be cursing him.

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-But the minute we'd get on stage,

-we'd be like this.

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-You could hear people saying,

-"Aren't they cute?"

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-Five minutes earlier

-you felt like killing him!

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-Do you think the Welsh music scene

-took advantage of young artists?

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-Without a shadow of a doubt.

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-I'm sure everyone who sang

-during that era would say the same.

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-I wouldn't say

-that people took advantage...

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-..but the concerts we performed

-were always for a good cause.

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-You had to negotiate your fee...

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-..because of that good cause.

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-We were mistreated by the people

-who were producing the records.

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-Cambrian Recordings, in our case.

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-You were never certain

-how many copies were sold.

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-They promised us

-that the money was on the way...

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-..but it never reached us.

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-They said they sent the money

-by post but it never showed up.

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-When you were at the height of your

-success at the end of the 1960s...

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-..people might not be aware

-of just how many records you sold.

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-You sold more than 70,000 copies

-of the EP, Mae Gen I Gariad...

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-..and Caffi Gaerwen, which was

-an astoundingly high number...

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-..considering

-you were singing in Welsh.

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-People bought records back then.

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-They'd go to concerts,

-listen to the radio and buy records.

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-Looking back, considering the amount

-of copies that are sold nowadays...

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-..it does sound like a high number.

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-As a pop star, you were

-at the height of your success.

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-Your personal life changed when

-you had your first child, Donna.

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-I was determined

-to do things my way.

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-It was meant to be.

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-When she was born, they tried

-their best to persuade me...

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-..to give her up for adoption

-but I refused.

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-People came to the hospital

-and doled out this advice?

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-Who exactly were they?

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-I think they were called

-'alma' nurses back then.

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-Nain said I could return home

-but not with a child.

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-My own mother

-had been poorly in hospital...

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-..so we couldn't take

-the little one home to her...

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-..until she'd had

-her injections against TB.

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-They told me they'd take her

-to the hospital across the road...

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-..and quarantine her

-until she had the injections...

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-..and then I could pick her up.

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-But I was afraid to let her go.

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-I didn't trust anyone.

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-There was so much talk about

-my bright future and my education...

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-..and how all this would change

-if I had a child.

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-I trusted no-one.

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-Wherever she went, I went.

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-Tony persuaded my grandparents

-to visit me.

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-My grandfather was a quiet man.

-He was a very quiet man.

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-Nain definitely wore the trousers

-and called the shots.

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-Nain was standing at the bottom

-of the bed looking angry.

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-I started crying.

-"I want to come home, Taid."

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-He looked at Nain and said...

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-.."Look, Lil, this girl's coming

-home and she's coming home now."

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-I'd never heard him raise his voice.

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-So Donna and I

-were back home by teatime.

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-From the minute I took her home...

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-..I barely got the chance

-to hold her.

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-Nain completely took over

-once again.

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-She was bowled over?

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-Yes, she was besotted with her.

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-The district nurse

-came to visit me in the early days.

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-She'd say, "I can tell Mrs Davies

-has given the baby a bath today...

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-"..because I can smell the lavender

-water from the bottom of the road!"

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-Tony ac Aloma

-split up temporarily in 1972...

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-..but still remained

-very close friends.

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-The relationship you have

-is unusually close, isn't it?

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-Yes, it is, I have to admit.

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-We go back so many years.

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-In those early years

-when we started singing...

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-..we shared so much.

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-It was Tony and me

-against the world.

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-Tony had been a lorry driver

-and he'd worked on a farm.

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-I was a schoolgirl.

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-We knew nothing

-about theatres, lights...

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-..and fees.

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-We held on tight to one another...

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-..in case we drowned

-in this big lake around us.

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-That closeness still remains.

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-Tony always says

-that I'm his right hand.

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-If he needed a kidney transplant,

-then I'd be his donor.

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-There are no words to describe

-the relationship we have.

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-But whatever it is,

-it's very strong.

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-Roy has been in Aloma's life

-almost as long as Tony.

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-But they weren't together

-during Tony ac Aloma's heyday.

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-I met Roy while I was at school.

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-I went to the Isle of Man on holiday

-when I was 16.

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-While I was studying for

-my A Levels, Roy would write to me.

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-I think he came to Anglesey once,

-so he knew where my family lived.

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-He came with his girlfriend

-on that occasion.

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-You were just friends at the time?

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-You were just friends at the time?

-

-Yes.

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-When Tony and I separated

-for the second time...

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-..months later, Roy had been singing

-with a group in the Camp and Valley.

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-He called to see my parents

-in Llangefni.

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-He was sure that I was married

-and had disappeared somewhere...

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-..with a house full of kids.

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-But I wasn't.

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-Mam told him I still lived

-with Nain in Llanerch-y-medd.

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-So Roy came to see me.

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-I told him the story

-and how the singing was over.

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-He said,

-"If you come to Blackpool...

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-"..there's definitely

-work there for you.

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-"You're very welcome."

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-That led to a new career

-singing with the stars...

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-..in nightclubs, foreign hotels

-and cruise ships.

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-Later, they decided

-to buy the hotel in Blackpool...

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-..and provide entertainment,

-with Roy on the piano...

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-..and Tony ac Aloma back together.

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-The three of us managed it well.

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-If Roy and I

-were busy in the kitchen...

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-..Tony had the pleasure of taking

-the children for a donkey ride...

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-..or a stroll along the promenade.

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-..or a stroll along the promenade.

-

-What's interesting for me...

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-..is that the arrangement

-is completely natural for you.

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-The role Tony plays in your life

-and your relationship with Roy.

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-To people on the outside,

-it seems unusual.

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-Yes, quite possibly.

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-You can see the disappointment

-on people's faces when I say...

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-.."This is Roy,

-the father of my children."

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-"Oh. Hm. OK then."

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-I suspect it's hard for him too...

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-..because everyone

-wants their lifelong partner...

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-..to be the closest person,

-or their soul mate.

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-In Welsh culture, you're

-always going to be linked to Tony.

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-That must be difficult for him.

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-Yes, it certainly is.

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-Tony will say he doesn't know

-how he's put up with it.

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-He doesn't even understand Welsh...

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-..but sometimes he's surrounded

-by people speaking Welsh.

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-But he's never complained.

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-He understands and he's

-supported everything we've done.

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-I feel

-incredibly lucky to have him.

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-He's been an amazing partner.

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-He's looked after me during illness.

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-He's supported

-what I've done with Tony.

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-I couldn't ask for more.

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-He understands the music world.

-He's a musician himself.

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-I couldn't have done better.

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-I couldn't have done better.

-

-Would your life have been easier...

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-..if you hadn't met Tony?

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-I don't think so.

-It would've been totally different.

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-I would've certainly

-carried on with my music.

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-I would've gone to college.

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-I would've been a teacher and

-my life would've been different.

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-But it wouldn't have been

-half as interesting.

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-My life

-has been full of ups and downs.

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-There's been sadness, fun, friends.

-I wouldn't change a thing.

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-Is it true

-you play bingo with Tony every week?

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-We used to,

-but they stopped us smoking there.

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-I lost interest after the smoking

-ban, and I wasn't smoking outside!

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-You're still an Anglesey girl

-at heart, aren't you...

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-..despite touring abroad...

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-..and all the experiences

-you've had performing?

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-You enjoy life's simple pleasures.

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-You enjoy life's simple pleasures.

-

-The older I get...

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-..those pleasures change...

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-..and perhaps get better.

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-We all say

-we don't like getting old.

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-It's alright for men - you mature

-like a fine wine or cheese.

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-But for us women,

-everything falls south.

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-Wine turns sour too, you know!

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-Not in our house!

-It's not there long enough.

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-I think, 'I don't like being old,

-I don't like being old.'

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-I lost two brothers-in-law

-in their early 50s.

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-That's when I decided

-that getting old is a privilege.

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-The alternative

-is not being here at all.

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-I said I wanted to interview...

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-..a pop icon from the Welsh

-music scene for this series...

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-..and I've done just that,

-so thank you.

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-Thanks, Gwion.

-You made the job easy.

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