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Telly, that magic box in the corner. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
It gives us access to a million different worlds, | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
all from the comfort of our sofa. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
'In this series, I'm going to journey through | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
the fantastic world of TV with some of our favourite celebrities. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:17 | |
'They've chosen the precious TV moments that shed light...' | 0:00:17 | 0:00:20 | |
The wind almost blew my BLANK off! | 0:00:20 | 0:00:23 | |
You're nearly in the telly, here! | 0:00:23 | 0:00:24 | |
'..on the stories of the lives.' | 0:00:24 | 0:00:26 | |
If you're so blinking clever, you look after him. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:28 | |
This takes me back completely. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:29 | |
'Some are funny...' | 0:00:29 | 0:00:31 | |
# And when they were down they were down! # | 0:00:31 | 0:00:34 | |
-'Some... -Oh, thank you! -'..are surprising.' | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
Aw, a lamb! | 0:00:37 | 0:00:38 | |
-It terrifies the life out of me. -Yeah? | 0:00:38 | 0:00:40 | |
'Some are inspiring...' | 0:00:40 | 0:00:42 | |
I wanted to be on telly... | 0:00:42 | 0:00:43 | |
That's it from me, back to you two. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:45 | |
'..and many...' | 0:00:45 | 0:00:46 | |
...though this rather futuristic TV.. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
'..are deeply moving.' | 0:00:49 | 0:00:51 | |
-And it was heartbreaking, I wept. -Yeah? | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
-It was heartbreaking. -It's not real. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:55 | |
'So, come watch with us, as we hand-pick the vintage telly that | 0:00:55 | 0:00:59 | |
'helped turn our much-loved stars into the people they are today.' | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
Welcome to The TV That Made Me. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
Now, my guest today is a fashion consultant, | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
author and star of stage and screen. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:20 | |
The irrepressible Gok Wan. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:23 | |
The man who has almost single-handedly taught us | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
how to feel good about the way we look. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
The TV that made him includes a blot on the comedy landscape... | 0:01:29 | 0:01:33 | |
-He is bagged. -Oh, yes, Blott! | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
..the most unpredictable pop show ever... | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
# Talk to me | 0:01:38 | 0:01:41 | |
# Like lovers do. # | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
..and the Europe-wide quiz for eggheads, Going For Gold. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:49 | |
But you probably know this golden-hearted man best | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
from the Channel 4 show, How To Look Good Naked. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
I mean, you look gorgeous. Our cameraman's shaking right now. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
He is easy to spot, he is the one with his clothes on. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:02 | |
It can only be the one and only, international superstar, | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
babe magnet, Gok Wan! | 0:02:05 | 0:02:07 | |
-Are you happy with that? -"Babe magnet"? | 0:02:07 | 0:02:09 | |
I don't know... You're a babe magnet, I'm a fridge magnet. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
-It's lovely to be here. How are you? -Oh, thank you. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
Do you like my apartment? | 0:02:15 | 0:02:16 | |
I love your apartment, it's very nice. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:18 | |
It's definitely more stylish than I thought it would have been, | 0:02:18 | 0:02:22 | |
-judging from the clothes you wear, Brian. -Ain't that lovely? Thank you. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
Now, as you know, today is a celebration of you, | 0:02:25 | 0:02:27 | |
-of your television. Television that made you. -Yeah. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:30 | |
-But first, we're going to go back to the beginning. -OK. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:32 | |
And see the young Gok Wan. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:34 | |
-Oh, does it go back that far? -Yeah. -Wow. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:38 | |
Gok Wan started life in a caravan in Leicester in 1974. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:45 | |
His family did eventually move into their own council house, | 0:02:45 | 0:02:50 | |
but he spent most of his time in The Bamboo House, | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
a Chinese restaurant run by his mum, Myra, and dad, John. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:58 | |
Now, not wanting to be left behind by his elder brother, Kwoklyn, | 0:02:58 | 0:03:03 | |
or elder sister, Oilen, | 0:03:03 | 0:03:05 | |
Gok began working tables at a very, very early age. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:10 | |
Mum and dad are massive grafters. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:14 | |
You know, seven days a week in the restaurant, they were there all day, | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
prepping for the evening but working lunches as well. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
We were at school. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:22 | |
So all of our time was literally spent in the restaurant, | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
all our social time. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:26 | |
As soon as we finished school, we'd get picked up, | 0:03:26 | 0:03:28 | |
go to the restaurant, so we were always working. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:30 | |
So from the age of three-and-a-half months, I was in the kitchen. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
Slave labour, don't tell the NSPCC now! | 0:03:33 | 0:03:35 | |
So our friends were the chefs and the waiters and the customers | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
that came in, and it was the most incredible place to be. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
And it wasn't until I got slightly older, like six, seven, eight, | 0:03:41 | 0:03:47 | |
did TV start making an appearance in my life. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:49 | |
Probably the earliest memory was a show called Monkey, Monkey Magic. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
There's no denying how popular it was. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
-Yeah, huge! -It was one of the number-one programmes. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:02 | |
Especially of... Well, I'm a little bit older than you, | 0:04:02 | 0:04:06 | |
but I mean, for all of us, it was THE programme to watch. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
Absolutely, yeah. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:10 | |
And all the catchphrases as well. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:12 | |
When he used to take the stick out of his ear and he did this with it | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
and throw it in the air and then all of a sudden, | 0:04:14 | 0:04:16 | |
a cloud would appear and he could fly. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:18 | |
And then when Tripitaka used to do the chanting, do you remember that? | 0:04:18 | 0:04:21 | |
And the gold band around his head would get tighter. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
Could you do the chanting? | 0:04:24 | 0:04:26 | |
HE MAKES CHANTING SOUND | 0:04:26 | 0:04:28 | |
I wish we had one of those on your head, right now. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:30 | |
Anyway, I remember that, and I remember the lion coming into it. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:34 | |
Me and my brother and sister would all... | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
We knew the word, word-for-word at the beginning, which was, | 0:04:37 | 0:04:40 | |
"Through evolution came stone Monkey!" | 0:04:40 | 0:04:42 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
-You do that so well. -It's quite funny, that. -Go on. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:47 | |
-Do you remember it? -Well, I remember it, I know it. -Have you got it? | 0:04:47 | 0:04:51 | |
Of course we have. Here you are. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:52 | |
'Elemental forces caused the egg to hatch.' | 0:04:55 | 0:04:58 | |
From it then came a stone monkey... | 0:04:58 | 0:05:00 | |
It's amazing. Look at those production values. Amazing. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:04 | |
Do you know, I'm getting really excited watching this. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
It's incredible. What great telly! | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
Yaah! Hi-yah! | 0:05:10 | 0:05:12 | |
'The truly revolutionary Monkey was made in Japan in 1978 | 0:05:14 | 0:05:20 | |
'and flew onto BBC Two in 1979. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:24 | |
'Each week, it blended martial arts with magic, as Monkey battled | 0:05:24 | 0:05:29 | |
'against an array of evil foes in his quest for enlightenment. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:33 | |
'No British children's show had ever featured such expensive | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
'special effects and fight choreography.' | 0:05:37 | 0:05:41 | |
-Oh, the music as well, listen. -Does it take you back? | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
No wonder I'm camp. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:52 | |
I mean, look at the costume! It is amazing. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
-I mean, it's the closest you would get a panto on TV, really. -Yeah. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
-Terrible acting... Not that we do terrible acting. -No, God, no. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:04 | |
But, you know, kind of all the moves are set up | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
and the choreography, the sets all shaking around. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:10 | |
I mean, what is there not to love about this? | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
But as a child, did it ever make you laugh, the way it was dubbed? | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
Yeah, a little bit. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
You would take that on... 'Want a cup of tea?' | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
BRIAN LAUGHS | 0:06:22 | 0:06:23 | |
-And it would literally be like that. -And why was it great for you? | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
It was great because, you know... | 0:06:26 | 0:06:28 | |
I was brought up on a council estate in the Midlands in the '70s and '80s, | 0:06:28 | 0:06:32 | |
and we were the only Asian family around. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:35 | |
And the only Asian references that we had, were either food | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
or Chinese New Year, when the school would celebrate Chinese New Year. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:42 | |
And so when there was this programme on television with Asian people | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
on television doing Asian things like kung fu and using chopsticks, | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
all of a sudden, it felt like we were accepted. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:51 | |
And so this was a real rite of passage for me, this programme, | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
it made me feel really special and it made me feel really accepted. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
It was one of the first times as a child that I felt | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
I had a place in our community, because, in my head, | 0:07:00 | 0:07:05 | |
I imagined everyone watching this programme at the same time as me | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
and they were watching it and I was their link to that. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
-Do you see what I mean? Does that make any sense? -Yeah. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
And I love the characters as well, I love the storylines, | 0:07:13 | 0:07:15 | |
it was brilliant, it was all fantasy, | 0:07:15 | 0:07:17 | |
but there was fighting in there and there was magic in there. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
I love magic. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:22 | |
The spectacular Monkey really did make | 0:07:22 | 0:07:24 | |
our home-grown fantasy programmes for kids | 0:07:24 | 0:07:28 | |
look a bit tame in the '70s. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
Apparently, there WERE monsters on Blake's 7, | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
but the special effects budget was so low, we hardly ever saw them. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:39 | |
And there was no way Tom Baker's Doctor Who was going to | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
unwind his scarf and pull any neat karate moves | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
on lumbering monsters like the Mandrels. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
Actually, the closest we got to sorcery | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
and fantasy animals was | 0:07:51 | 0:07:53 | |
the great Molly Weir playing McWitch | 0:07:53 | 0:07:55 | |
next to the ghost of | 0:07:55 | 0:07:57 | |
a pantomime horse on Rentaghost. | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
Mind you, the lovely Sue Nicholls played Miss Popov in the | 0:07:59 | 0:08:03 | |
same show and she was always magic. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:07 | |
Do you think this will surprise people, how good you are at magic? | 0:08:08 | 0:08:12 | |
-We've got a pack of cards. -Right, OK. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
And I know you are great. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:18 | |
Well, the thing is, I do love magic. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
When I was growing up, Paul Daniels was obviously | 0:08:21 | 0:08:24 | |
the hottest thing on television when it came to magic. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
I always wanted to be Debbie McGee though, I have to be very honest. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:29 | |
I always wanted to be the glamorous assistant, never the magician. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
So, what I'll ask you to do now, is choose a card, just choose one card. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:38 | |
-You got one, two, three, four, five, six cards, sticking up. -OK. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:42 | |
No, don't tell me what the actual card is. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
What you need to do is tell me which number is it. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
One, two, three, four, five, or six? | 0:08:48 | 0:08:52 | |
It is number five. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:54 | |
Number five, right, OK. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:56 | |
You ready? Watch this. One, two, three, four, five. | 0:08:56 | 0:09:00 | |
Your card is on top there, it is going into the pack. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:04 | |
-Right into the middle. -Just there, yeah. Absolutely. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
Right, so what I'm going to do now is ask you to look at that one card. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
-Was it that one? -I'm afraid it wasn't. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
-Oh, it wasn't that one? -No. -OK, so look at that card. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
-Is there anything wrong with that card? -No, no. -Does it look magical? | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
-Does it look like it could do a trick? -No. -No, OK. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:19 | |
So I'm going to put that back there. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:21 | |
And what we're going to do... Just watch with your eyes, very carefully. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
-Just think about that card. -Yeah. -Think about it. -Yeah. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
-OK, what card was it? -It was a five of diamonds. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
Five of diamonds? | 0:09:30 | 0:09:32 | |
That was brilliant. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:35 | |
-I'm going to move on to classic advert now. -OK. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:44 | |
-So, let's just watch this. -Right. -Your pick. Classic advert. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:51 | |
Oh! | 0:09:51 | 0:09:53 | |
Well, bang goes 15 quid. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:54 | |
-Wish they had. -What? -Gone bang. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
The first time when the Oxo adverts came out and all of a sudden | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
you started following the lives of a family and they would drop | 0:10:00 | 0:10:04 | |
a new advert every three, six, nine months, whatever it was. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:08 | |
You would get to know this family | 0:10:08 | 0:10:10 | |
and you would go on a journey with this other family. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:13 | |
This advert was the first time I really saw another family | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
that felt like mine. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:18 | |
Because we were so close, and food was very important to us, bizarrely. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:22 | |
But food was really important as a family. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
-That was pathetic! -Yeah, and two quid of it was mine. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:26 | |
'The Oxo ads were set in a normal family home | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
'and acted so naturally you felt you were there. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:33 | |
'It was this documentary feel that made them an immediate success. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
'The adverts reportedly boosted | 0:10:36 | 0:10:38 | |
'sales by over 10%.' | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
Oh, very funny! | 0:10:41 | 0:10:43 | |
When your parents own a restaurant, when do you eat? | 0:10:43 | 0:10:47 | |
You ate all the time. When you are Asian, food is everything. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:52 | |
It really is absolutely everything. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:54 | |
It is what you do when someone marries, when someone is born, | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
when someone is dying. | 0:10:57 | 0:10:59 | |
You just feed each other and food is the most important thing. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
And then that, coupled with a business about food, | 0:11:02 | 0:11:08 | |
I mean, you can just imagine the explosion of prawn crackers | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
and fried rice every single day. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:13 | |
My favourite mealtime of all time was about 2:30 in the morning, | 0:11:13 | 0:11:19 | |
Mum and Dad would come in from work and I'd be laying in bed, | 0:11:19 | 0:11:24 | |
so if you can imagine, young Asian child, slightly overweight, | 0:11:24 | 0:11:29 | |
underneath the Superman covers, and I would just go... | 0:11:29 | 0:11:33 | |
HE MAKES SNIFFING SOUND | 0:11:33 | 0:11:34 | |
Fried onions! Fried onions. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
Then we would bolt downstairs and dad would be making a massive feast | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
at 2:30 in the morning. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:41 | |
And even though we should have been sleeping | 0:11:41 | 0:11:43 | |
and even though we had school the next day and even though we would | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
have been tired, actually, that meal was the best education of my life. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
It was much more than a school could ever give me, | 0:11:49 | 0:11:51 | |
because it was about family and about warmth | 0:11:51 | 0:11:54 | |
and Dad would tell great stories and we would sit as a family. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
So those mealtimes, for me, were the most important. | 0:11:57 | 0:11:59 | |
-And do you see that in the Oxo adverts? -Yeah, I see all of that. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:02 | |
And bizarrely, it is... | 0:12:02 | 0:12:04 | |
Because the essence of that advert isn't necessarily, | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
"If you buy this product you're going to have a great meal", | 0:12:07 | 0:12:11 | |
it's not about that. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:13 | |
It's turning round and saying, "This is what this product will do | 0:12:13 | 0:12:15 | |
"to your family, because it will make you all come together | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
"and you will laugh and do things together", and it's a great place. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
It's wonderful and it was revolutionary, this advert. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
It changed the British family in a lot of ways | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
and then of course, the amazing, incredible, beautiful Linda. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:31 | |
Aw. Such a loss. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
-The biggest, the biggest. -Such a warm, endearing... | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
I know you've worked with her, I've worked with her as well, | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
and she was just the most giving, | 0:12:40 | 0:12:42 | |
wonderful, funny, funny, funny person. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
'Watching the Oxo family grow up on our screens over 16 years | 0:12:45 | 0:12:49 | |
'gave us an appetite for bite-sized soaps. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:53 | |
'At the end of the '80s, we all wondered what Maureen Lipman's | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
'grandson was going to do with his "ology". | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
'Whilst boosting sales of coffee by up to 70%, | 0:13:01 | 0:13:05 | |
'Anthony Head and Sharon Maughn kept us guessing | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
' "will they, or won't they?" | 0:13:08 | 0:13:12 | |
'And back in the '70s, | 0:13:12 | 0:13:13 | |
'Leonard Rossiter and Joan Collins | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
'did a great job selling booze, | 0:13:16 | 0:13:18 | |
'but I don't think there was ever | 0:13:18 | 0:13:20 | |
'any question that THEY would.' | 0:13:20 | 0:13:22 | |
-Well, I'm going to go now to Must-See TV. -Yep. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
This is just something you just had to watch, | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
it was of course, Must-See TV. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
And I want to take you to 1983. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:39 | |
1983, I was nine. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:41 | |
GOK GASPS | 0:13:41 | 0:13:43 | |
This week's show's going to be completely out of proportion | 0:13:43 | 0:13:45 | |
to anything that we've ever had before in our lives. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:48 | |
The Tube! Look at Jools, he's a child! | 0:13:48 | 0:13:50 | |
Could You do that for us, do you think? | 0:13:50 | 0:13:52 | |
We've got live music from Sade, | 0:13:52 | 0:13:54 | |
spelt "Say-day", pronounced "Shard-a"... | 0:13:54 | 0:13:56 | |
-They've got matching hair! -Oh, wow. | 0:13:56 | 0:13:58 | |
This is so '80s. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:02 | |
Oh, God. Do you know what, I miss the '80s. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:04 | |
Don't you miss the '80s? | 0:14:04 | 0:14:06 | |
Um...I miss being that young, yeah. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
I don't know whether I miss being that young, but I miss this. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
If you look on these monitors here, you will see two films that we shot, | 0:14:12 | 0:14:16 | |
one of Swans Way, one of Colourfield... | 0:14:16 | 0:14:17 | |
When I was nine, watching this with my sister, | 0:14:17 | 0:14:20 | |
I would watch this programme with her, to try and be my sister. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
So I'd be emulating her to watch this programme. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:25 | |
I didn't really understand it, because I was nine. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
But it was a way of me being closer to my sister, | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
it was a way of me fitting into her world. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:33 | |
# Talk to me | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
# Like lovers do. # | 0:14:36 | 0:14:38 | |
-Oh, my God! Annie! Incredible. What a voice. -Yeah. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:41 | |
'From the time it hit our screens in 1982, | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
'The Tube revolutionised the way we watched music TV. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:50 | |
'All the acts played completely live, and after The Tube, | 0:14:50 | 0:14:54 | |
'miming to records on other pop shows just looked like cheating.' | 0:14:54 | 0:14:58 | |
MUSIC: Here Comes The Rain Again by Eurythmics | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
Amazing fashion. She was the '80s personified. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:03 | |
Gok, what we'd love you to do now is to critique | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
some of the acts that they had on. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:08 | |
GOK LAUGHS | 0:15:08 | 0:15:10 | |
MUSIC: Too Shy by Kajagoogoo | 0:15:10 | 0:15:11 | |
# Ooh, baby try... # | 0:15:11 | 0:15:13 | |
-The Tube. -Wow. -There they are. -Amazing. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:15 | |
Absolutely amazing. I mean, look at that. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:17 | |
-The first thing is... -Remember the name of the band? -It was...erm... | 0:15:17 | 0:15:20 | |
-Kaja... -Kajagoo... -Correct. -Kajagoogoo, yeah. -Yeah. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:23 | |
-The first thing you think of... -# You're too shy, shy... # | 0:15:23 | 0:15:25 | |
-All right, still talking. -Sorry. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:27 | |
-So, the first thing... -Sorry. -GOK LAUGHS | 0:15:27 | 0:15:29 | |
The first thing that you think of when you think of the '80s is hair. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:32 | |
-Yeah. -That hair is incredible. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:33 | |
If you ever want a reference that tells you about the '80s, | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
then all you need to do, | 0:15:36 | 0:15:37 | |
is why don't you just cut everything to about two-and-a-half inches | 0:15:37 | 0:15:41 | |
and then just let the back row as long as you possibly want? | 0:15:41 | 0:15:43 | |
But, that is the '80s. I mean, it was incredible. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:46 | |
It was also the first time that boy and girl really did cross over. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:52 | |
You know, there wasn't any one uniform for a boy, | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
any one uniform for a girl and I loved it. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:57 | |
Have a little look at this. | 0:15:57 | 0:15:59 | |
Here it comes. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:00 | |
MUSIC: Hong Kong Garden by Siouxie & The Banshees | 0:16:00 | 0:16:02 | |
# Harmful elements in the air | 0:16:02 | 0:16:04 | |
# Cymbals crashing everywhere... # | 0:16:04 | 0:16:07 | |
-Siouxue and The Banshees. -Yeah. -I mean, look at that! | 0:16:07 | 0:16:11 | |
She looks incredible. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:13 | |
But, if you put that down a catwalk for McQueen or Vivienne Westwood, | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
Balenciaga, right now, you wouldn't know the difference. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
It's thought out, it's clever, | 0:16:20 | 0:16:22 | |
there's great movement in that clothing, | 0:16:22 | 0:16:24 | |
there's wonderful texture, brilliant performance stuff as well. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:27 | |
-I mean, it's great. -Yeah. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:28 | |
-You can't beat the '80s. -I think we've got one more for you. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:32 | |
Who's this? | 0:16:33 | 0:16:34 | |
Who's that? Is that Fun Boy Three? | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
-This would have been... -Oh, is it Wham?! -It's Wham, it's Wham. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:39 | |
MUSIC: Young Guns by Wham | 0:16:39 | 0:16:41 | |
-# Hey sucker -What the hell's got into you... # | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
-Is that George? -That is Wham. -Look at George. -Oh. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
Now, that is incredible. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:48 | |
I mean, if there was ever a way of doing double denim, | 0:16:48 | 0:16:50 | |
-there's three different variations there. -Yeah. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
That is just a delight. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:54 | |
It's amazing, because it's what | 0:16:54 | 0:16:56 | |
I remember about fashion, | 0:16:56 | 0:16:57 | |
it's probably the first time that | 0:16:57 | 0:16:58 | |
I looked at fashion and thought, | 0:16:58 | 0:17:00 | |
"I understand you" or, "I know you" or, "I want to get to know you". | 0:17:00 | 0:17:03 | |
-Have pop stars got a look now? -Yeah. -Is there a look now? | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
Was my job for years to dress them like that. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:08 | |
It was, you know, it's really important, | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
but how we present ourselves is vital. It's so important. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:14 | |
It sends out a gazillion messages to people | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
without even opening your mouth. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
'80s bands like Culture Club, Tears For Fears, Depeche Mode | 0:17:20 | 0:17:24 | |
'and Frankie Goes To Hollywood's TV appearances were sending out | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
'messages about style and sexuality that influenced us all. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:33 | |
'But the fashion icon that really made her mark on Gok | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
'was a lot closer to home.' | 0:17:36 | 0:17:38 | |
Did your sister influence you in what you do now? | 0:17:38 | 0:17:42 | |
-Oh, my God, everything. -Really? -The first makeover... | 0:17:42 | 0:17:44 | |
Is it because you're into... | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
you are attracted to dominant women? | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
Probably. I... | 0:17:49 | 0:17:51 | |
I've always loved women and my sister is a strong, clever, brilliant woman. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:56 | |
When we were going through quite a lot of social abuse | 0:17:56 | 0:17:58 | |
-on the estate for being Chinese and fat and camp... -Really? | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
..and all that kind of thing, it never affected my sister. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
She was strong and she would stand up for the family. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:06 | |
I mean, I wasn't as strong then as a person, | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
so I looked up to her for that reason. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:11 | |
So, women have always... | 0:18:11 | 0:18:12 | |
and she probably was the catalyst of my appreciation for women. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:16 | |
The first makeover I ever saw was my sister's makeover, | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
and she would get home from school and she'd wear a navy blue | 0:18:19 | 0:18:21 | |
and a white uniform, and then she would go upstairs to her room | 0:18:21 | 0:18:25 | |
and then come downstairs. Within moments she was transformed | 0:18:25 | 0:18:29 | |
and she'd be semi-goth with a tube skirt and brogues, | 0:18:29 | 0:18:33 | |
an oversized boyfriend blazer. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:35 | |
And I remember watching my sister, thinking it's the most | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
incredible thing that you can go from looking this way | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
to that way in a second. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:42 | |
-What it does is it just boosts your confidence. -Yeah. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:45 | |
And it turns you into a different person. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:47 | |
It was the way that my sister started to develop into | 0:18:47 | 0:18:49 | |
the person that she is. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:50 | |
So, if you think about it, I've probably done, I don't know, | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
-thousands and thousands and thousands of makeovers over my career. -Yeah. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:57 | |
But, in fact, the most important makeover | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
was stemmed from that programme. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:01 | |
It was The Tube and that era and my sister's makeover. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:05 | |
-My taste... -But you spoke about being picked on | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
-and you spoke about being large. -Yeah. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:10 | |
And I think people will be | 0:19:10 | 0:19:11 | |
quite surprised and unaware that you were very large. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:14 | |
Really large, yeah, yeah. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:16 | |
Probably wouldn't have fitted on this set, actually! THEY LAUGH | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
-OK, at the age of 15... -I was 15st. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
I gained a stone for every year I lived. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:24 | |
That was kind of how I measured my weight. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:26 | |
I got bigger and bigger and bigger. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:28 | |
So how old were you, what was the catalystic moment that | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
made you go, "Hang on, I need to sort myself out"? | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
I was 21. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:36 | |
I had reached 21st, approximately 21st, so I had a 48-inch waist. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:41 | |
I remember the 48-inch waist, but do you know what, I was really happy. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
I'd gone to college and I had decided by then what my career path would be. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:50 | |
It was to be a performer. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:51 | |
I wanted to be an actor | 0:19:51 | 0:19:53 | |
and I auditioned at a really tough school to get into, | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
the Central School of Speech and Drama, | 0:19:56 | 0:19:57 | |
and I walked in and I stood there and I was this 21st, gay, tall, | 0:19:57 | 0:20:04 | |
Chinese, a little bit like Hagrid. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
The door threw open and I remember the smell, first of all, was damp, | 0:20:07 | 0:20:11 | |
and the second thing I remember was looking round thinking, | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
"I do not look like any single person here, not a single person." | 0:20:14 | 0:20:18 | |
Everyone had blonde hair and blue eyes and they were beautiful | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
and they were thin and they were chiselled. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
I suddenly thought to myself, | 0:20:24 | 0:20:26 | |
"Oh, no. You've done something wrong here. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:28 | |
"This is not good news for you at all. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
And, at that point, I thought to myself, | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
"I can't look like this any more. I can't look this different." | 0:20:34 | 0:20:38 | |
I thought to myself, "Right, that's it, you're going to change | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
"the way that you look", and this is the biggest mistake of my life. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:45 | |
And if you look like everybody else, | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
then you'll be just as good as them. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:50 | |
And I remember that. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:51 | |
Why was it a mistake? | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
Well, it was a mistake because... | 0:20:54 | 0:20:55 | |
And look how much it affects you even now, because you are... | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
It was a big story because it's like part of your heritage, isn't it? | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
Because you... | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
I suppose I've made a career teaching people | 0:21:03 | 0:21:06 | |
the bad mistake that I made, believing in the hype, | 0:21:06 | 0:21:09 | |
the press hype that you have to look a certain way, | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
that, you know, if you're different at all then difference is wrong, | 0:21:12 | 0:21:16 | |
that you need to be like everybody else and I did truly believe it. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:20 | |
Really, really believed it and, you know, it was a big mistake. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:24 | |
So, what would you say to that 21-year-old now? | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
Do you know what? Don't worry. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:30 | |
Don't worry because you're going to find stuff later on in your life, | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
which will feel bigger and more emotional and harder | 0:21:33 | 0:21:37 | |
and this is a small moment in your life. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:41 | |
It feels like everything right now, but it's a small moment in your life, | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
and I do genuinely believe that we do love each other for who we are. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:51 | |
It's not just the way we look. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:53 | |
-Your next choice is a little thing called Just Because. -Just Because. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:05 | |
Just because, you just like watching it... Just because... | 0:22:05 | 0:22:07 | |
-Just because. Let's have a watch. -And it is... | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
Well, have a little look. Just because. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
First of all, Tony and Josie. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:14 | |
Would you like to come forward ready to play? | 0:22:14 | 0:22:17 | |
GOK GASPS Whose Line Is It Anyway? | 0:22:17 | 0:22:19 | |
-Oh, my God! What an incredible, incredible show! -Yeah. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:25 | |
So, when this show first came out... God, how old was I? | 0:22:25 | 0:22:28 | |
-What year was this? -This is 1988. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:31 | |
1988, so I would've been 14 years old. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:34 | |
Yeah, absolutely, it works out perfectly. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:36 | |
This is when I knew I wanted to be an actor. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
So, has anyone got a film style they like...? | 0:22:38 | 0:22:40 | |
-AUDIENCE SHOUT OUT -Surrealist, yes. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:42 | |
And I love the fact that the audience got involved as well. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:47 | |
I really like the fact the audience were the missing member of the cast. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
The scene I'd like you to improvise, Tony and Josie, | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
is a patient going to see a doctor. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:55 | |
"Whose Line Is It Anyway?" was filmed on a simple set | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
and the idea was simple too. Comedians like Josie Lawrence | 0:22:58 | 0:23:02 | |
and Tony Slattery were asked to improvise comedy scenes | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
on the spot and we all knew there was nothing simple about that. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:10 | |
It's what kept us glued to the show for 11 years. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:14 | |
Just take your clothes off, then. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:16 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:23:16 | 0:23:17 | |
Are you sure that's what I have to do, doctor? | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
It is a squint in my eye. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:20 | |
-Who was your favourite? -Josie Lawrence. -Right. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
-I used to love it when she used to sing. -Another strong woman. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:25 | |
Exactly. Another strong woman. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:27 | |
-Surrealist style. -You see, I have an onion. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE | 0:23:30 | 0:23:34 | |
Not as much as doctors turn into Art Deco lamps. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
Just incredible, isn't it? Isn't it absolutely amazing | 0:23:39 | 0:23:42 | |
-that they would think of it on the spot like this? -I know. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:44 | |
If you think about it, | 0:23:44 | 0:23:46 | |
this is probably one of the first times that the audience, | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
or we as the audience, got to see the mechanics of performing. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:52 | |
It was the first time you were allowed into the brains of the actors. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
It was a really clever idea for us to be privy to that. | 0:23:55 | 0:24:00 | |
Relatively unknown comedians who appeared on Whose Line have | 0:24:00 | 0:24:04 | |
gone on to great things. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:06 | |
Josie Lawrence played | 0:24:06 | 0:24:08 | |
Amanda Best in EastEnders. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:10 | |
Caroline Quentin put up with Men Behaving Badly and the tricks | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
of Jonathan Creek before settling | 0:24:16 | 0:24:18 | |
into Restoration Home. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:20 | |
Paul Merton is still the king of off-the-cuff remarks on | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
Have I Got News For You. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:28 | |
And Stephen Fry, the nation's favourite clever clogs, | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
hosts the comedy quiz QI. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
I'll let you into a secret I've never told anyone before. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:40 | |
This has just reminded me and I've actually never ever told | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
anybody in my life, and that is the truth. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
-I always wanted to be a stand-up. -You always wanted... | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
I wanted to be a stand-up because of this. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:51 | |
I remember I had a whole routine that I had written and that I... | 0:24:51 | 0:24:56 | |
But my routine was I was going to pretend that | 0:24:56 | 0:24:58 | |
I could improvise and I wasn't. | 0:24:58 | 0:24:59 | |
It was a set routine and I knew it word for word. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
So, you rehearsed your ad-libs? | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
I rehearsed my ad-libs on my own, pretending that | 0:25:04 | 0:25:07 | |
I could fool people that I was improvising. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
But don't you think it's what you're good at? | 0:25:09 | 0:25:13 | |
That it is... just to let you roll... | 0:25:13 | 0:25:15 | |
When you're doing your show, when you're doing anything on TV | 0:25:15 | 0:25:20 | |
so often, you are ad-libbing. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:22 | |
Yeah, my shows are improvised and we don't have scripts | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
and whether I'm doing a morning programme, or whether I'm making | 0:25:25 | 0:25:27 | |
How To Look Good Naked, or one of the fashion shows, we don't really have | 0:25:27 | 0:25:31 | |
scripts because you can't really have scripts when you're dealing with | 0:25:31 | 0:25:34 | |
people's confidence. You can't really have lines to say, | 0:25:34 | 0:25:37 | |
because it has got to be really, really natural | 0:25:37 | 0:25:39 | |
and you've just got to hope there's a connection there between two people. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:43 | |
What is the key ingredient to giving someone else confidence? | 0:25:43 | 0:25:47 | |
I think it's to listen. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:48 | |
The most important thing is listening and I think we sometimes | 0:25:48 | 0:25:52 | |
forget to listen, we get so bothered with telling people what | 0:25:52 | 0:25:55 | |
we've been up to, or what we feel we need to tell people that | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
when you think about it, when a woman comes onto my show and if | 0:25:58 | 0:26:02 | |
she hates her reflection and hates her body, all I do is listen to her. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:07 | |
I do very little else. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:08 | |
The clothes aren't really that important, they're not really needed. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:11 | |
I just use them as a device or as a vehicle to be able to | 0:26:11 | 0:26:14 | |
communicate with her. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:15 | |
-Your next choice is Guilty Pleasure. -Guilty Pleasure. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:23 | |
I'm not going to say anything except I'm taking you back to 1983. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
I'm so excited. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:28 | |
GOK GASPS | 0:26:30 | 0:26:32 | |
-Lynda La Plante. -Oh, my God. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:38 | |
This is everything that I love about television. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
What about explosives? | 0:26:41 | 0:26:43 | |
-Do me a favour. -Sorry. Sorry, Dolly. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:47 | |
I've got a meeting with the security contact. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:50 | |
All of their fellas have all been banged up for a job | 0:26:50 | 0:26:54 | |
and they are the wives that are going to do the job now, | 0:26:54 | 0:26:56 | |
and it's basically a bank robbery. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:58 | |
-The big one's in four months' time. -Is that the one we're going for? | 0:26:58 | 0:27:01 | |
We'll need every minute. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
Sorry, love. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:05 | |
This is what old-school serial writing was. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:09 | |
It was not terribly acted, but not brilliantly. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
It was just a really honest series that you got hooked into. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
You two better get yourself wheels, good ones. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:19 | |
First screened in 1983, Widows was a huge hit and was | 0:27:19 | 0:27:24 | |
BAFTA nominated for its moody, realistic and innovative direction. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:29 | |
It was writer Lynda La Plante's first-ever screenplay, | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
which she wrote because she believed | 0:27:32 | 0:27:34 | |
there weren't enough realistic roles for women. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:38 | |
Now's your chance, love. In or out? | 0:27:38 | 0:27:40 | |
Do you remember years ago, before we had www.anything.com? | 0:27:47 | 0:27:53 | |
You know, you can get catch up this now and you can watch it | 0:27:53 | 0:27:56 | |
on your phone, you can watch it on your watch, you can | 0:27:56 | 0:27:58 | |
watch it on your mirror - do you see what I mean? | 0:27:58 | 0:28:02 | |
In a weird way, it's lost exactly what this programme was about. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:05 | |
It was about looking forward to something, | 0:28:05 | 0:28:07 | |
days before it was on and it was just also great writing. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:11 | |
-Did you love the characters? -I loved the characters. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:14 | |
They were just strong and they were go-getting, | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
but also vulnerable at the same time. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:19 | |
I think everything that I love about women is that strength | 0:28:19 | 0:28:22 | |
and vulnerability mixed together. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
Some of our greatest actresses have played | 0:28:25 | 0:28:27 | |
Lynda La Plante's toughest female characters. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
Ann Mitchell, now better known as EastEnders' Cora Cross, | 0:28:30 | 0:28:34 | |
played Teflon-coated Dolly Rawlins in Widows. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
And Amanda Burton played | 0:28:39 | 0:28:41 | |
La Plante's utterly ruthless | 0:28:41 | 0:28:42 | |
Claire Blake in The Commander | 0:28:42 | 0:28:44 | |
in 2003. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:46 | |
But La Plante's greatest creation | 0:28:48 | 0:28:51 | |
has to be Prime Suspect's | 0:28:51 | 0:28:52 | |
DCI Jane Tennison, who was played | 0:28:52 | 0:28:55 | |
to brittle yet steely perfection | 0:28:55 | 0:28:57 | |
by Helen Mirren. | 0:28:57 | 0:28:59 | |
-There's a real theme. -Yeah, there is. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:05 | |
-When we talk about your sister. -Yeah. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:07 | |
The way you sort of reacted to Annie Lennox | 0:29:07 | 0:29:09 | |
-and now this strong women. -I've always, always, always... | 0:29:09 | 0:29:13 | |
I mean, far, way before I knew I was gay, I always loved women. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:18 | |
Women fascinate me. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:19 | |
And also when you are doing How To Do Good Naked, | 0:29:19 | 0:29:23 | |
you are making women into strong women. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:26 | |
Yeah, hopefully. A little bit. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:28 | |
I don't think I can be solely responsible for them being really | 0:29:28 | 0:29:32 | |
confident and strong, but hopefully, | 0:29:32 | 0:29:35 | |
I like to think I've had a hand in that. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:37 | |
I've given them a place that they can come to, that they can discuss | 0:29:37 | 0:29:41 | |
their fears and they can discuss how they really feel about themselves. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:44 | |
-I want to move on now to your Comedy Hero. -Yep. -This... | 0:29:50 | 0:29:56 | |
-I don't want to say any more. -Go on. | 0:29:56 | 0:29:58 | |
Blott On The Landscape. Oh, my goodness. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
What on earth's this, Mrs Purity? | 0:30:03 | 0:30:05 | |
That's your breakfast, Giles. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:07 | |
Breakfast? It's uncooked oysters. | 0:30:07 | 0:30:09 | |
Blott On The Landscape featured a stellar cast. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:13 | |
Not only Hercule Poirot, of course I mean David Suchet. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:17 | |
He is bagged. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:18 | |
But also Geraldine James and the great Arthur Daley, aka... | 0:30:18 | 0:30:22 | |
-I don't like him. -..George Cole. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:24 | |
He's foreign, his teeth aren't nice | 0:30:24 | 0:30:26 | |
and he doesn't behave like a servant. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:27 | |
-This is British TV at its best, isn't it? -Yeah. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:30 | |
Brilliantly made, the sets, the costume, the script is incredible. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:36 | |
This is great British telly. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:38 | |
I suppose he's not obsequious enough for you. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:42 | |
Bloody man thinks he owns the place. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:44 | |
-How old was you when you was watching this? -I don't even know. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:47 | |
-What year was this made? -This is 1985. -1985. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:52 | |
So I would've been nine years old. Nine years old. Do you know what? | 0:30:52 | 0:30:57 | |
I tell you why I loved Blott On The Landscape. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:00 | |
It was because it was a bit rude. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:03 | |
This fodder is supposed to make me randy. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:05 | |
It was a bit naughty, the humour was a bit saucy, the language was | 0:31:05 | 0:31:10 | |
a bit saucy, there was a tiny little bit of nudity in there and... | 0:31:10 | 0:31:15 | |
as you know, there's a side of my personality which is quite naughty. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:19 | |
No! I don't think we've seen that today. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:21 | |
I like being really cheeky | 0:31:21 | 0:31:23 | |
and this is where probably my humour started to develop. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:27 | |
Pushing people a little bit further than they've been before to laugh. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:30 | |
You mention nudity. Did you question your sexuality | 0:31:30 | 0:31:34 | |
-when you watched something like that at that tender age? -Yes, absolutely. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:38 | |
I was about nine years old | 0:31:38 | 0:31:40 | |
and I think I was coming of age, physically as well, and it wasn't | 0:31:40 | 0:31:44 | |
until this age that I started... I knew that I was attracted to guys. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:50 | |
It's very weird because the feeling was there way before words were. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:54 | |
-Really? -I could never have articulated that. I just knew | 0:31:54 | 0:31:57 | |
it was there and it was programmes like Blott On The Landscape - | 0:31:57 | 0:32:00 | |
and Tom Sharpe is a very provocative novelist - | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
that allowed me to come out. It was a huge part of my coming out. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:07 | |
And how difficult was it for you to tell your parents? | 0:32:07 | 0:32:11 | |
It was quite tough. I told my parents much later, so I was 22 years old. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:15 | |
One Sunday, my brother and sister came to visit me in London, | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
and my sister left and as she left, she said, "Oh, your problem is | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
"you're always so moody. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:22 | |
"It's because you've not told Mum and Dad you're gay." | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
And they went and then about an hour later, the telephone rings, | 0:32:25 | 0:32:28 | |
or an hour and a half later, the telephone rings and my mum | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
is on the telephone and she says, "Oh, the kids are back." | 0:32:31 | 0:32:33 | |
And I said, "Yeah." She said, "I know." | 0:32:33 | 0:32:37 | |
I said, "You know what?" | 0:32:37 | 0:32:39 | |
She said, "I know you're gay." | 0:32:39 | 0:32:41 | |
And as a result, I didn't go home for months and months and months. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:43 | |
Surely that should've been a relief? | 0:32:43 | 0:32:45 | |
No, I was terrified and I didn't want my dad to know. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:48 | |
My mum knew, I didn't want my dad to know. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:50 | |
Eventually, my mum told me that she'd told my dad and I was seeing | 0:32:50 | 0:32:53 | |
a guy at the time and so I knew exactly what I was doing. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:56 | |
I'd created this device in my head and I said to this guy that | 0:32:56 | 0:32:59 | |
I was seeing, "Right, we're going to go back and meet my parents." | 0:32:59 | 0:33:02 | |
Went home, drove up, went into the restaurant, went up the stairs, | 0:33:02 | 0:33:05 | |
went through the door, took a right into the kitchen and like I thought, | 0:33:05 | 0:33:09 | |
my entire family was sat around the table eating and they all | 0:33:09 | 0:33:13 | |
spun around and then there was silence, | 0:33:13 | 0:33:15 | |
because I was standing there with this guy. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:18 | |
And they kind of looked away | 0:33:18 | 0:33:19 | |
and Mum said, "Get a bowl, sit down," | 0:33:19 | 0:33:22 | |
so we sat down and we ate in silence for the first meal of my entire life, | 0:33:22 | 0:33:25 | |
and then halfway through the meal, my dad leaves | 0:33:25 | 0:33:28 | |
and goes into the sitting room and my father never does that. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:31 | |
The head of the table never leaves halfway through a meal, | 0:33:31 | 0:33:34 | |
he's always the last person eating, and he'd left, so we knew | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
there was something devastating, it was awful, it was terrible. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:40 | |
And at the end of the meal, I walked out and I walked through the hallway, | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
got to the living room door and I could hear my dad in there, | 0:33:43 | 0:33:46 | |
and it was a rustling sound of things being moved around, | 0:33:46 | 0:33:49 | |
and I opened the door and I looked through, | 0:33:49 | 0:33:50 | |
and my dad had taken all of the cushions off of the sofas and chairs | 0:33:50 | 0:33:54 | |
and laid them out and lit a fire, and it was his way of saying, | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
-"It's fine. You can sleep here with your boyfriend." -Aww! Ain't that lovely? | 0:33:57 | 0:34:00 | |
-Ain't that a wonderful story? -Aww! | 0:34:00 | 0:34:03 | |
Was there much on TV for young gay men at that time? | 0:34:03 | 0:34:08 | |
Well, there was kind of... Well, not really. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:11 | |
There was Eurotrash when I was growing up, | 0:34:11 | 0:34:15 | |
with Jean Paul Gaultier and Antoine, so there was | 0:34:15 | 0:34:18 | |
like those kinds of programmes, but not until Channel 4 | 0:34:18 | 0:34:21 | |
came around that there was a big gay presence on television. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:25 | |
Did you have TV crushes? | 0:34:25 | 0:34:27 | |
Oh, my God. Yeah, Mark Lamarr. Oh, my! | 0:34:27 | 0:34:32 | |
It's probably why I've still got the quiff. I really, really fancied Mark. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:37 | |
-I still really fancy Mark Lamarr. -Have you met him? | 0:34:37 | 0:34:39 | |
-Have you been in his presence? -I've never met Mark Lamarr. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:43 | |
I've never ever met him, but, yeah, he was my big TV crush. Yeah. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:47 | |
Gok may have fancied Mark Lamarr of Shooting Stars fame, but he | 0:34:49 | 0:34:53 | |
doesn't come close to being one of the most fancied men on British TV. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:58 | |
Here is my titillating top five. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:01 | |
At five, Aidan Turner's Ross Poldark | 0:35:03 | 0:35:06 | |
kept an average of | 0:35:06 | 0:35:09 | |
eight million viewers very happy. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:11 | |
At four, he's out-sexed by a man | 0:35:11 | 0:35:13 | |
in a funny hat as Benedict Cumberbatch | 0:35:13 | 0:35:17 | |
draws 9.2 million | 0:35:17 | 0:35:18 | |
drooling Cumber fans. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:20 | |
At three, wet-shirted colossus Colin Firth kept ten million | 0:35:23 | 0:35:28 | |
hearts fluttering though the '90s | 0:35:28 | 0:35:30 | |
in Pride And Prejudice. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:31 | |
At two, the devastating double act of Jeremy Irons and Anthony Andrews | 0:35:35 | 0:35:40 | |
broke 11 million hearts | 0:35:40 | 0:35:42 | |
with Brideshead Revisited in the '80s. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
But beating them all to number one, it's the original | 0:35:48 | 0:35:53 | |
and hottest Poldark Robin Ellis, | 0:35:53 | 0:35:55 | |
who made 15 million viewers swoon | 0:35:55 | 0:35:58 | |
through the '70s. | 0:35:58 | 0:35:59 | |
This is your Family Favourite now. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:09 | |
This is something you'd all sit down and have a look at if you could. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:12 | |
-It is, of course, Going For Gold. -Going For Gold! | 0:36:12 | 0:36:17 | |
# Going, going for gold! # | 0:36:17 | 0:36:20 | |
Hosted by the legendary Henry Kelly. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:24 | |
Henry Kelly, who is now my neighbour. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:26 | |
Welcome again to Going For Gold. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:28 | |
Oh, look at him. You know what, he's not changed really. | 0:36:28 | 0:36:31 | |
-So, you would play this as a family? -We'd kind of play this as a family. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:35 | |
Look at those stars. Look at Wales! Oh, Finland! | 0:36:35 | 0:36:38 | |
"Look, it's me. I'm from Finland." | 0:36:38 | 0:36:40 | |
-This was a great game show, wasn't it? -Yeah. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:42 | |
Ready? | 0:36:42 | 0:36:44 | |
You could say Going For Gold | 0:36:44 | 0:36:45 | |
was the most unequalled quiz show ever created. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:48 | |
The contestants were from all over Europe, | 0:36:48 | 0:36:50 | |
but it was all in English and surprise, surprise, | 0:36:50 | 0:36:52 | |
England won the most times. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:55 | |
So, we're going to play. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:57 | |
First one to get three questions right wins a biscuit. Here we go. | 0:36:57 | 0:37:00 | |
What am I? | 0:37:00 | 0:37:01 | |
I am a European city famous as the birthplace of the Renaissance... | 0:37:01 | 0:37:04 | |
-France. -..some of the greatest... -BUZZER | 0:37:04 | 0:37:06 | |
-Norway. -Florence. -Is the correct answer. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:09 | |
-Florence. -Shut up! I got it wrong. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:12 | |
Hands on the buzzers. Who am I? My name is the title of an opera. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:14 | |
The action is set in Spain, where I work in a factory... | 0:37:14 | 0:37:17 | |
BUZZER Carmen. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:18 | |
-Finland. -Carmen. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:20 | |
-Carmen is correct. -Yes! Got it. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:23 | |
-I'm so competitive, I can't bear it. -Calm down. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:25 | |
-We're only having a laugh. -GOK LAUGHS | 0:37:25 | 0:37:27 | |
What am I? I am a book that was made into a Broadway musical | 0:37:31 | 0:37:33 | |
and then into a film... | 0:37:33 | 0:37:34 | |
42nd Street. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:36 | |
..my story is about a French planter played in the film... | 0:37:36 | 0:37:38 | |
-BUZZER -Wales. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:41 | |
-South Pacific. -Is correct. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:42 | |
I didn't know it was Rogers and Hammerstein, did you? | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
-Judy knew it. -Judy knew it. From Wales. -We're really bad at this! | 0:37:45 | 0:37:50 | |
-You got one right. -I got one right. | 0:37:50 | 0:37:52 | |
-Do I get a biscuit? -You get a biscuit. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:54 | |
-I wish they were spring rolls. -Sorry. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:56 | |
Chocolate or a digestive? | 0:37:56 | 0:37:58 | |
That is the worst gift I've ever been given in my entire life! | 0:37:58 | 0:38:03 | |
Gok, your big break had to be How To Look Good Naked. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:13 | |
-Would you say that or am I wrong? -Yeah. Kind of. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:16 | |
It's weird, because I kind of had two jobs doing the same job. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:20 | |
-So you started as a pop star stylist? -I did, yeah. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:24 | |
I originally was a make-up artist | 0:38:24 | 0:38:26 | |
and then discovered a rail of clothes on a shoot one day | 0:38:26 | 0:38:29 | |
and suddenly thought, "Oh, my God. This is incredible." | 0:38:29 | 0:38:31 | |
It was like I'd found the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow | 0:38:31 | 0:38:34 | |
and I looked through this rail, | 0:38:34 | 0:38:35 | |
I remember pulling out all these pieces for a photo shoot | 0:38:35 | 0:38:38 | |
for a supplement, a Sunday supplement, I was on assisting. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:42 | |
I remember seeing all the clothes and it was, every single piece that | 0:38:42 | 0:38:45 | |
I pulled out, I just, in a weird way, just understood the clothing. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:49 | |
I knew what it was about and why it was there | 0:38:49 | 0:38:52 | |
and what it was going to do and how it should be shot, | 0:38:52 | 0:38:54 | |
and that was my first entrance as a fashion stylist. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:58 | |
Working as a fashion stylist and working on music videos, | 0:38:58 | 0:39:01 | |
commercials, editorial, doesn't matter, | 0:39:01 | 0:39:04 | |
and then, all of a sudden, | 0:39:04 | 0:39:06 | |
television came around and I had put the performance side of my life | 0:39:06 | 0:39:10 | |
to rest and I kind of figured I would never do it, | 0:39:10 | 0:39:15 | |
and I made a programme for MTV called MTV Shakedown with a guy | 0:39:15 | 0:39:20 | |
called Wade Robson, who is, | 0:39:20 | 0:39:21 | |
who was Michael Jackson's choreographer. It was a dance show | 0:39:21 | 0:39:24 | |
and I was the on-screen stylist, and there was a camera following me | 0:39:24 | 0:39:27 | |
around and I loved being on camera. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:29 | |
My show reel had ended up on daytime at Channel 4 | 0:39:29 | 0:39:34 | |
-and that's where Naked came from. -Shall we have a little look? | 0:39:34 | 0:39:37 | |
Oh, my God. This is the hardest thing, for me to watch myself now. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:40 | |
Because of this area that we know that you're not happy with, | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
we want that to carry on down and | 0:39:43 | 0:39:45 | |
almost skim where your leg might be. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:47 | |
-That was ten, over ten years ago. -Really? | 0:39:47 | 0:39:50 | |
What these trousers do is they have this great waistband here. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:53 | |
-You see how it stops just where your waist needs to be? -Yeah. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:56 | |
-Tell me what you see? -It comes in here. | 0:39:56 | 0:39:59 | |
Naked brought Gok's personal philosophy about loving ourselves | 0:39:59 | 0:40:03 | |
-into our living rooms in 2006. -I mean, you look gorgeous. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:07 | |
Our cameraman is shaking right now. That's how gorgeous you look. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
-I think it's making me look a lot thinner. Definitely. -Hoorah! | 0:40:10 | 0:40:14 | |
-How do you feel when you watch yourself? -I am so critical. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:17 | |
I'm finding it really, really difficult. That was ten years ago. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:21 | |
I'm so critical. I mean, it's amazing. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:23 | |
How To Look Good Naked was an incredible show. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:27 | |
It showed in so many countries around the world and was brilliant, | 0:40:27 | 0:40:31 | |
but, do you know what? It was never about my performance, I don't think. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:34 | |
I think I just did my job on TV. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:36 | |
It was the generosity of those amazing women | 0:40:36 | 0:40:38 | |
that gave their stories. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:40 | |
-How many episodes did you do? -I think we made about 78 of them. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:43 | |
Tell me what do you think, all right? | 0:40:43 | 0:40:46 | |
Unlike similar lifestyle shows, Gok never | 0:40:46 | 0:40:49 | |
encouraged his girlfriends to have cosmetic surgery or even diet. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:53 | |
When you get so close to a woman and she's letting you in, | 0:40:54 | 0:40:57 | |
there's a respect that I've got to give her. | 0:40:57 | 0:41:00 | |
-Projected onto a building, bangers out for everyone to see. -No! | 0:41:00 | 0:41:04 | |
But they were incredible, incredible women. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:07 | |
They were so generous with their stories because without them, | 0:41:07 | 0:41:10 | |
we didn't have a show to make really. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:12 | |
It wasn't about that top with the gorgeous chevrons. It wasn't about the jeans with | 0:41:12 | 0:41:16 | |
the panelling, it wasn't anything about that. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:18 | |
You'll forget those jeans and that top, but you'll never forget her. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:21 | |
How To Look Good Naked, we didn't think it was going to be like this | 0:41:21 | 0:41:24 | |
at all when we started filming it. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:25 | |
We didn't know the bond I was going to have with the women at all. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:29 | |
It was something that came much further on, and then at the end, | 0:41:29 | 0:41:32 | |
we were still filming, we'd run over the filming schedule | 0:41:32 | 0:41:35 | |
of the first series and we were filming on a boat on the Thames, | 0:41:35 | 0:41:39 | |
and it was the night that the first show went out and my director | 0:41:39 | 0:41:43 | |
said to me, "Your life is about to change for ever, Gok." | 0:41:43 | 0:41:46 | |
And I said, "Don't be silly. Don't be silly." | 0:41:46 | 0:41:49 | |
She said, "No, it will. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:50 | |
"Overnight, your life is about to change forever." | 0:41:50 | 0:41:52 | |
And she was absolutely right. 100%. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:56 | |
I want to ask you, what do you enjoy watching now? | 0:41:56 | 0:41:59 | |
-What do I enjoy watching now? -Are you a box set man? -Kind of. Yes. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:04 | |
The last box set I watched was Silk, | 0:42:04 | 0:42:07 | |
which was a great series. | 0:42:07 | 0:42:10 | |
I loved it, I got really into it. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:11 | |
It's all about lawyers and barristers. My sister's a lawyer. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:14 | |
There's a connection there again somewhere. I love Sex And The City. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:17 | |
I can watch those over and over and over again. I love Frasier. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:21 | |
It really makes me laugh, absolutely brilliant television. | 0:42:21 | 0:42:25 | |
And, you know what, I'm a bit of a sucker for The X Factor. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:28 | |
I have to say, I do love The X Factor. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:31 | |
And Britain's Got Talent as well, I really like. So, varied now. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:34 | |
When I'm not working, that is. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:36 | |
-I ask my guests to pick a theme tune for us to go out on. -Yep. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:40 | |
-Is there one that springs to mind? -It's got to be Monkey Magic. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:44 | |
It has got to be that, | 0:42:44 | 0:42:46 | |
because that is just everything about what I think TV should be - | 0:42:46 | 0:42:49 | |
-total escapism. -Well, from the bottom of my heart, | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
I want to thank you for coming on the show. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:54 | |
Ladies and gentlemen - Gok Wan. | 0:42:54 | 0:42:55 | |
And thank you for watching TV That Made Me. | 0:42:55 | 0:42:57 | |
We'll see you next time. Give them a wave. | 0:42:57 | 0:42:59 | |
# Born from an egg on a mountain top | 0:42:59 | 0:43:02 | |
# The funkiest monkey that ever popped | 0:43:02 | 0:43:07 | |
# He knew every magic trick under the sun | 0:43:07 | 0:43:11 | |
# To tease the Gods And everyone and have some fun | 0:43:11 | 0:43:16 | |
# Monkey magic | 0:43:16 | 0:43:18 | |
# Monkey magic. # | 0:43:21 | 0:43:23 |