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TV, the magic box of delights. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
As kids, it showed us a million different worlds | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
all from our living room. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
This takes me right back. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
That's so embarrassing! | 0:00:11 | 0:00:12 | |
I am genuinely shocked. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:14 | |
Each day, I'm going to journey through the wonderful world of telly | 0:00:14 | 0:00:18 | |
with one of our favourite celebrities. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:21 | |
It's just so silly! | 0:00:21 | 0:00:23 | |
Ah! I love it. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:25 | |
Is it Mr Benn? | 0:00:25 | 0:00:26 | |
SHE SINGS | 0:00:26 | 0:00:27 | |
Shut it! | 0:00:27 | 0:00:28 | |
As they select the iconic TV moments... | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
Oh, hello! | 0:00:31 | 0:00:34 | |
..that tell us the stories of their lives. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:36 | |
-Oh, my gosh! -Cheers. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:40 | |
Some will make you laugh. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:41 | |
Agh! | 0:00:41 | 0:00:42 | |
Oh, no! | 0:00:43 | 0:00:44 | |
Some will surprise. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:46 | |
-TOY SQUEAKS -Oh! | 0:00:46 | 0:00:48 | |
Many will inspire. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:49 | |
Ooh! | 0:00:49 | 0:00:51 | |
Look at this. Why wouldn't you want to watch this? | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
And others will move us. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:55 | |
Seeing that there, made a huge impact on me. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:58 | |
You're not having my kid! | 0:00:58 | 0:00:59 | |
Got a handkerchief? | 0:00:59 | 0:01:00 | |
So, come watch with us as we rewind to the classic telly that shaped | 0:01:01 | 0:01:07 | |
those wide-eyed youngsters into the much-loved stars they are today. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:11 | |
Welcome to The TV That Made Me. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:21 | |
My guest today is one of Britain's most gifted actors. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:25 | |
Ladies and gentlemen, | 0:01:25 | 0:01:26 | |
please welcome the hugely talented Amanda Abbington. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:30 | |
-Hello! Hello. -Hi. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:34 | |
-How are you? -Very well. -Good. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:36 | |
-All the better for seeing you. -And you. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
-Welcome to my humble abode. -It's lovely. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
Star of stage, screen and Sherlock, | 0:01:41 | 0:01:43 | |
Amanda has starred in some of our most iconic shows | 0:01:43 | 0:01:47 | |
over the last few years, including Mr Selfridge and crime drama Cuffs. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:52 | |
The TV that made her includes an old-school classic comedy. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:57 | |
And a terrifying post-apocalyptic series. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
-So, are you excited about today? -Yeah. -Looking back? -Yes, I am! | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
-Yeah? -Yes, I'm really excited. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:07 | |
-Was telly a big thing in your life growing up? -Huge. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:09 | |
-Because I'm an only child, so I didn't have anyone to play with. -Aw! | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
So they just stuck you in front of the telly, did they? | 0:02:12 | 0:02:14 | |
Yeah, my mum did! She kind of did a bit. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:17 | |
But that's because she had to get on and do her work. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:19 | |
But that was then, that was '70s and '80s. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:21 | |
That was sort of the thing you did. You either went out and played | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
in the summer holidays with your friends | 0:02:24 | 0:02:26 | |
but you were mainly kind of... | 0:02:26 | 0:02:28 | |
You just sort of stayed at home | 0:02:28 | 0:02:29 | |
and you didn't have the internet or anything, so the telly was... | 0:02:29 | 0:02:32 | |
-And there was four channels. -I know, blimey. Do you remember that? | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
My children don't understand that. They can't fathom that at all. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:38 | |
-Yeah, and that we had to get up and change channels. -Yeah! | 0:02:38 | 0:02:42 | |
-Yeah. -Yeah, it was a big thing in those days. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:44 | |
Yeah, you just didn't bother in the end. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:46 | |
-You'd end up with World Of Sport for four hours. -Yeah, yeah. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:49 | |
So today is a celebration of some of your favourite TV classic moments. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:53 | |
We're going to look back on that but first up, let's rewind the clock | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
and have a look at a very young Amanda. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:58 | |
Born in 1974, Amanda was raised by her parents | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
Patsy and John in Hertfordshire. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:06 | |
Her love for performing was evident from an early age | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
when Amanda was a promising dancer. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:14 | |
But she decided to pursue a career in acting, | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
which has seen her star in shows like After You've Gone | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
with Nicholas Lyndhurst... | 0:03:20 | 0:03:21 | |
..and of course, as Mary Watson in Sherlock, | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
where she starred with her real-life partner, Martin Freeman. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:29 | |
-So, was it a happy childhood? -Yes, it was. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
My mum and dad were brilliant. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:36 | |
We lived with my nanny and grandad as well when I was growing up, | 0:03:36 | 0:03:39 | |
-so there was five of us in the house. -Oh, really? -So, it was... | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
And I was very close to all of them. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:44 | |
Because I was the only one, I was really not spoilt | 0:03:44 | 0:03:47 | |
-but there was a lot of love and it was nice. -Yeah. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:50 | |
And then they got a little cottage, my mum and dad, and so we moved out. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
-But I remember being very close to my grandparents, growing up. -Yes. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:57 | |
Which was lovely, it was lovely having them around. | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
I mean, I don't know whether my dad was too enamoured about living | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
with his in-laws, I don't know. But, yeah, it was... | 0:04:02 | 0:04:05 | |
I loved it, it was great. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:07 | |
It is great to have you here. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:14 | |
Let's start with your very first TV memory. Here it is. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:18 | |
The Flumps. SHE GASPS | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
They were the best, I used to watch this all the time. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
The 1970s stop-motion series The Flumps | 0:04:30 | 0:04:34 | |
told the adventures of a family of lovable furry creatures. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
Look at Grandpa! Look at him garden! | 0:04:39 | 0:04:41 | |
-Look at Pootle and Posie. -Ah. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:47 | |
-IN A NASAL VOICE: -Pootle used to talk like Pootle, | 0:04:47 | 0:04:49 | |
because she used to have a cold in her nose. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:51 | |
She used to talk like that, that's why I loved her. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:53 | |
"What is she talking about?" asked Perkin. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:57 | |
"She's got secrets under her hat," said Pootle. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:00 | |
-IN A NASAL VOICE: -See? She's got | 0:05:00 | 0:05:02 | |
secrets under her hat. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:03 | |
I remember one where she had a cloud or a balloon or something. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
-IN A NASAL VOICE: -And she used to carry it and she got really sad. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
I loved it, I loved it. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:12 | |
It was so much fun. Oh, my gosh, this is taking... | 0:05:12 | 0:05:14 | |
That's a really good impression there. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
-I can tell what you done as a kid. -Yes, all I did. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
-I told you, only child. -Yeah, with your Pootle impressions. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:22 | |
-There was just 13 episodes ever made. -Is that all? Really? | 0:05:22 | 0:05:24 | |
So they must have kept repeating them, yeah. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:26 | |
Mother Flump knew that Pootle and Perkin | 0:05:26 | 0:05:28 | |
were up to something. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:30 | |
"What are you two arguing about?" | 0:05:30 | 0:05:32 | |
-Look at Mum. -I love Mum's headscarf. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
Isn't it brilliant, though? And look, they've got apples. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:39 | |
-Little apples. -A lot of attention to detail. -Yeah, there really was. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:43 | |
They're doing a little jigsaw puzzle there, aren't they? | 0:05:43 | 0:05:45 | |
You see, I always thought Pootle was a girl. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
But maybe I was wrong, maybe he's just a very young boy. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:52 | |
Bulgelling. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:53 | |
Pootle was indeed a boy and also the youngest of the Flump family. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:58 | |
The focus was often on him, as he got up to all kinds of mischief. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
"Oh, Pootle. You're always getting words mixed up. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:06 | |
"You mean bulging and full up." | 0:06:06 | 0:06:10 | |
"That's what I said." | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
-Bit like me, I was always getting it wrong. -Really? What, as a child? | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
Yeah, I always used to get things wrong. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:17 | |
Can't think of anything off... | 0:06:17 | 0:06:19 | |
But you do a great Pootle impression. Any other impressions? | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
They may well come out during the course of the show. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
They may well come out during...? HE CHUCKLES | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
I used to, I think I used to really annoy my mum and dad | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
because I used to do lots of different voices | 0:06:30 | 0:06:32 | |
and accents and people. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:34 | |
But you were just learning your craft, wasn't you, really? | 0:06:34 | 0:06:37 | |
-Yeah, looking back, that's probably what it was. -Yeah. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
I did used to do a lot of performing in front of them as well. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
I'd make a makeshift stage and sort of tell jokes. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
It must have driven them nuts. They probably hated it now, looking back. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:49 | |
-So, it was always in you to perform? -I think so, I think so. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:53 | |
-I loved it from the word go, I think. -Yeah. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
And it was always something I enjoyed doing. | 0:06:56 | 0:06:58 | |
I was never frightened of it, you know? | 0:06:58 | 0:07:00 | |
I think, because I was bullied as well, as a kid, I think that | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
that kind of, the humour became like a defence | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
and I wanted to make people like me. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:08 | |
So, I'd make people laugh and that's maybe what I... | 0:07:08 | 0:07:12 | |
-That fuelled it as well, I guess. -Yes. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:14 | |
-So, who would you watch this with? Your grandad? -Um... | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
No, I probably watched it with my mum. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
She'd come and watch it with me. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:22 | |
Because it was all... | 0:07:22 | 0:07:23 | |
We didn't have kids' programmes throughout the whole day, | 0:07:23 | 0:07:25 | |
so it would be on, I think there'd be some in the morning. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
Maybe, possibly in the summer holidays. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:29 | |
But kids' programmes would start about three | 0:07:29 | 0:07:32 | |
and finish about half five with Blue Peter. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
-Or Grange Hill or something like that. -Yeah. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:37 | |
So, and again, when I tell my kids that, they go, "That's ridiculous." | 0:07:37 | 0:07:41 | |
And you say, "No, because there was only a finite | 0:07:41 | 0:07:44 | |
"amount of time for kids' programmes." | 0:07:44 | 0:07:46 | |
So, tell me about your sitting room, growing up. What was that like? | 0:07:46 | 0:07:50 | |
Well, when we moved out of my grandparents' house, | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
we got a little terraced cottage | 0:07:52 | 0:07:54 | |
and so, you'd walk in the front door and you'd come into the front room | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
and there'd be like a sofa here and a sofa here and then an open fire. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:01 | |
And then a big sash window and then the telly was in the corner. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
And then at Christmas, we'd have the Christmas tree | 0:08:04 | 0:08:07 | |
right in front of the window. But... | 0:08:07 | 0:08:08 | |
-Yeah, it was a really cosy little cottage. It was lovely. -Yeah. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
And I used to sit, my dad bought this Chesterfield. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
They were the big thing then and I used to sit on it | 0:08:14 | 0:08:16 | |
and just get buried in it and watch all my programmes and it was lovely. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:20 | |
Under a blanket. It was really nice. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:22 | |
Now, we've seen the shows that you love | 0:08:27 | 0:08:29 | |
-but this next one is your grandparents' choice. -OK. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
-SHE CHUCKLES -Ah! | 0:08:34 | 0:08:35 | |
Last Of The Summer Wine. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:37 | |
This was the world's | 0:08:39 | 0:08:41 | |
longest-running sitcom. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:42 | |
It ran for 37 years. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
37 years! | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
This gentle comedy followed the adventures of three elderly friends | 0:08:47 | 0:08:51 | |
as they caused havoc in the Yorkshire countryside. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
-These three were fantastic. -Yeah. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
-Look at Compo. He looks a bit like Pootle from The Flumps. -Yeah! | 0:09:01 | 0:09:06 | |
-You see, there's a link. -There's a little theme going through. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:08 | |
There's a little link, with his woolly hat on. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
-Oh! -Peril. There's peril now. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:17 | |
She used to really upset me, the way she spoke to those three. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
Oh, look at that! | 0:09:22 | 0:09:24 | |
She liked it all, really. She loved the attention, really. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
She pretended she didn't, but she did. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
SHE LAUGHS No! | 0:09:35 | 0:09:37 | |
It's brilliant. It's brilliant. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:41 | |
Serves you right, you daft lot! | 0:09:41 | 0:09:44 | |
-I love it, I love it. Gorgeous. -Yeah. It brings back happy memories. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:48 | |
-It really does. -And who would you watch this with? | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
-My nanny and grandad. -Oh, right. -And I'd be on the sofa again. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
-And my nanny used to eat pomegranates a lot. -Right. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:58 | |
So, she cut me half a pomegranate and she picked them out with a pin | 0:09:58 | 0:10:02 | |
-for me and I'd sit and watch... -Ah. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:04 | |
Yeah, it was a real, that's a real kind of memory I have with her. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:08 | |
You know, because she was quite a big lady as well. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:11 | |
You know, she was cuddly, she was a cuddly woman. She was... | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
I just loved her and the smell of her and that really reminds me | 0:10:14 | 0:10:18 | |
of her and I was very, very close to my nanna, really close to her. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:22 | |
How old would you have been? | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
-I can't, I must have been about six or seven. -Oh, really young? | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
I mean, you know, and I just... | 0:10:27 | 0:10:28 | |
Yeah, she was just, she was a real role model for me as well. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
-Oh, really? -Because she went through... | 0:10:31 | 0:10:33 | |
She had a lot of tough times, my nanna. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:35 | |
She went... Terrible... Like a tough upbringing. And... | 0:10:35 | 0:10:38 | |
And she was so strong, she was such a strong woman and loyal | 0:10:39 | 0:10:43 | |
and loving, and her and my grandad had this fantastic relationship. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:47 | |
She used to make me laugh. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
Like, my mum and dad bought her once a bottle of Pimm's. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:51 | |
Big bottle of Pimm's. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:53 | |
And she was in the kitchen cooking Sunday dinner and we hadn't | 0:10:53 | 0:10:57 | |
heard from her in a bit and she was getting louder and louder singing. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
And then the next thing I know, | 0:11:00 | 0:11:01 | |
we've walked out into the kitchen and the Pimm's bottle is empty. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
And she's at the top of the garden with my grandad, doing a waltz, | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
and she's absolutely hammered. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:09 | |
Because she didn't think you needed to dilute Pimm's. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:13 | |
So she's been drinking it neat, cooking... | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
And she still made the best roast dinner. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:17 | |
She was a wonderful woman and I do miss her, she's great. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
-She was wonderful. -Ah. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:21 | |
And so, that really does remind me of both my nanny and my grandad. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:25 | |
-Ah. -It was great. Lovely, yeah. -Lovely? -Hmm. Just really... | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
-You're filling up, aren't you? -I am a bit, yeah, because she's... | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
-Shall we move on? -Yeah, because she's just... -Yeah. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
She was amazing. And my mum takes after her, so... | 0:11:34 | 0:11:37 | |
There's this line of very strong women in my family | 0:11:37 | 0:11:40 | |
that are so stoic and... | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
brilliant. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:44 | |
-Well, now it is time for your next choice. -Ooh! | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
Let's see what your must-see TV was back in the day. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:56 | |
SHE GASPS | 0:12:02 | 0:12:04 | |
-Oh, my God! -S.W.A.L.K. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:06 | |
-Sealed With A Loving Kiss. -Yes. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:09 | |
Broadcast on Channel 4 in the early | 0:12:10 | 0:12:12 | |
'80s, S.W.A.L.K told of the trials | 0:12:12 | 0:12:14 | |
and tribulations of teenager Amanda. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:18 | |
I loved this. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:19 | |
And it was just all about growing up. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:21 | |
-But there was only ever six episodes. -Really? -Yeah. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
-This is 1982. -This was brilliant. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:28 | |
And she liked him. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:30 | |
I had a crush on her, she was my first crush. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:32 | |
-I think he turned out to be a bit of a wrong 'un. -Oh, really? -I think so. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
This iconic show stood out from other programmes of its time, | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
thanks to its unusual use of on-screen photo stories | 0:12:48 | 0:12:52 | |
and an agony aunt played perfectly by Prunella Scales. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
They're not all creeps, are they? | 0:12:57 | 0:12:59 | |
You've cracked it there, love. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:01 | |
He's made the first move. It's up to you to make the next one, right? | 0:13:01 | 0:13:06 | |
But she had an older sister. And her older sister was quite glamorous. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:11 | |
And got all the boys and she didn't | 0:13:11 | 0:13:12 | |
and they kind of had this real love/hate relationship. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
But I don't ever remember it being only six episodes, that's insane. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:19 | |
Because it just seemed to go on and on for me. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:21 | |
Oh, mate, that's so brilliant. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:23 | |
-She pulls off the role of embarrassed teenager? -Absolutely. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
She was amazing. I used to, I loved, I loved her. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:30 | |
I loved her, I'd just be like that. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:32 | |
And I'd wait every week for the next episode. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:34 | |
That's brilliant because I haven't seen that since I was younger. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:37 | |
-Really? '82. -God! Yes, so I was... | 0:13:37 | 0:13:42 | |
-I wasn't that old, I wasn't that old. -You was a baby. -Yeah. -Yeah. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
-But just, I wanted to be her. -What made that so exciting for you? | 0:13:46 | 0:13:50 | |
-To want to be her. -I just thought she was really cool. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
And I just thought... | 0:13:53 | 0:13:54 | |
I just, I just liked her and I wanted to be like that. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
And I was hoping that when I got to her age, that's what I'd be like. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:01 | |
I'd be this kind of... | 0:14:01 | 0:14:03 | |
You know, everything is kind of, "Oh, it's all terrible | 0:14:03 | 0:14:05 | |
"but I'm getting through it," kind of thing. Yeah, that's so weird. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:08 | |
And I'd forgot that Prunella Scales was in it. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:10 | |
Yes, she played, like, the thoughts in her head, her agony aunt. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:13 | |
Yeah. That's fantastic, I'm so pleased I've seen that. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
Did you used to read girl magazines? | 0:14:16 | 0:14:18 | |
-You know, with those photo stories in. -I did. I used to read Girl. -Hmm. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:22 | |
-Which was amazing. And Jackie. -Ah, Jackie. -But I... | 0:14:22 | 0:14:26 | |
I think I probably wasn't allowed to read that | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
when I started reading because it was a little bit grown-up. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:31 | |
-Bit racy? -Yeah. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:32 | |
-Which one would be racy out of that? What, Jackie or both? -Jackie. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:36 | |
Girl wasn't so much. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:37 | |
Girl, there was a cartoon strip in Girl magazine | 0:14:37 | 0:14:41 | |
that I followed every week and it was about these two ballerinas. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:45 | |
And one was good and one was evil | 0:14:45 | 0:14:47 | |
and it was about their fight to get this leading role. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
And again, I'd be waiting until it came out, | 0:14:50 | 0:14:53 | |
I think it came out every Tuesday. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:55 | |
And I'd be down the newsagents with my mum and reading it | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
and stuff, it was great. Yeah. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:00 | |
So, when you was watching S.W.A.L.K, was you...? | 0:15:00 | 0:15:02 | |
Did you have your acting ambition then? | 0:15:02 | 0:15:05 | |
No, I wanted to be a dancer then. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:07 | |
So, I trained, I started doing ballet when I was about five | 0:15:07 | 0:15:10 | |
and that's what I wanted to be. And then it... | 0:15:10 | 0:15:13 | |
It became clear very quickly that I was not going to be a ballet dancer. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
Because I just couldn't do it and I didn't have the discipline | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
and I just, I wasn't, I wasn't very good, you know? | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
And then a drama teacher, when I went to drama... | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
Because I did go to dance school for a year and then the drama teacher | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
said, "You know, I don't think you're going to | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
"pull it off as a dancer. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:33 | |
"But you show promise as an actress and I think you should pursue that." | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
And that's what made me become an actress. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:38 | |
-So, at what age would that have been? -When I was about 16, 17. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
I knew then, that it was never going to happen. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:44 | |
And I was quite pleased because it's hard work. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
-Acting is a lot easier than dancing. -Really? | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
Yeah, because you don't have to keep training, you know. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:53 | |
You don't have to train every day to be an actor. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
That's kind of in there, it's a natural thing. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:59 | |
You know, but dancing, you have to work your muscles and you | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
have to keep supple and you have to keep it all in there. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:06 | |
It's different. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:07 | |
-So, are you pleased it went off? -Very, very. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
-Because my career would be over now. -Hmm. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:12 | |
You know, as a dancer, I probably wouldn't be... | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
Unless you're somebody like Darcey Bussell, | 0:16:15 | 0:16:17 | |
who's an incredible ballerina, | 0:16:17 | 0:16:19 | |
-your time is limited as a dancer. -Hmm. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
Whereas acting, you know, you can do it till you're 100. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:25 | |
-Well, I'm very pleased that you moved into acting. -Thank you. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
Now it's time to move on to your TV fear. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
SHE LAUGHS NERVOUSLY | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
-Let's take a look. -All right. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:40 | |
Would you like the paper? | 0:16:40 | 0:16:42 | |
The Day Of The Triffids was an adaptation | 0:16:42 | 0:16:44 | |
of John Wyndham's cult novel. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:46 | |
Telling the terrifying tale of the world's battle to survive | 0:16:46 | 0:16:50 | |
the petrifying man-eating | 0:16:50 | 0:16:51 | |
Triffid plants. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:53 | |
Any idea of what it is? | 0:16:53 | 0:16:55 | |
No, no, not really. It's blown in from somewhere, I suppose. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:59 | |
Either that or a foreign import of some sort I know not what of. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
No, it's none of that. You wait. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
Come on, Bill. Have a look inside. Come on. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
-Don't look inside it. -Don't look inside. -Don't look inside it. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
-Eugh! -Come on now, Bill. That's nature. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:17 | |
-It's good, isn't it? That, for the time. -Yeah. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
I shall take care of you, old chap. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:24 | |
-It starts shaking. -SHE GASPS | 0:17:25 | 0:17:27 | |
Mysterious, intelligent and utterly terrifying triffids | 0:17:29 | 0:17:32 | |
could kill a grown man with their sting. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:34 | |
We were beginning to learn about the tri-feds, | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
or triffids, as they came to be called. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
-Terrified me. -Really? | 0:17:44 | 0:17:46 | |
It terrified the bejesus out of me, that did. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:48 | |
-Did it? -Yeah, because I thought it could happen. I always thought | 0:17:48 | 0:17:51 | |
things like that would actually happen, so I thought... | 0:17:51 | 0:17:53 | |
-A vivid sort of imagination. -Terrible, | 0:17:53 | 0:17:55 | |
my imagination. Yeah, incredibly vivid imagination. Yeah, yeah. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
I remember reading something once about a black hole and thinking, | 0:17:58 | 0:18:00 | |
"Well, that's how I'm going to die. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:02 | |
-"I'm going to be hit." -Fall into a black hole? -Yeah. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:04 | |
Or a meteorite will hit me or...you know? | 0:18:04 | 0:18:06 | |
And so I thought, well, it's perfectly possible | 0:18:06 | 0:18:10 | |
-that triffids could come and destroy the planet. -Hmm. -And... | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
Yeah, that used to frighten the life out of me | 0:18:13 | 0:18:15 | |
and I remember having dreams about it. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:17 | |
About sort of it bearing down on me, over me. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:21 | |
And then I'd wake up screaming. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
But then I think I read the book when I was about 12 or 13 | 0:18:24 | 0:18:28 | |
and then that frightened me as well because of just the imagery in that. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
I remember there was a chapter of the streets deserted | 0:18:31 | 0:18:34 | |
and there was this triffid walking up the road. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
And that stayed in my head for a long time. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:40 | |
But I'm terrible, I am terrible. I can't... | 0:18:40 | 0:18:42 | |
When Martin's away, I can't think about or watch anything to do | 0:18:42 | 0:18:46 | |
with any kind of horror or thriller or Crimewatch or anything. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:50 | |
I just have to watch Friends or The Office, the American Office. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:54 | |
That's all I can do. Because anything else, I'm like, | 0:18:54 | 0:18:56 | |
"Well, no, that's going to happen to me. La, la!" | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
-I'm awful. So... -Really? -Yeah, that's horrible. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:03 | |
But you don't see it, "Oh, that's a prop, | 0:19:03 | 0:19:05 | |
-"there's a man crouched underneath." -No, and I'm an actor! | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
So I know how it works. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:09 | |
But it's the idea that, you know, "Well, you know, it could work. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:13 | |
"Somebody could splice. You could splice two plants together." | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
I can see it, yeah. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:18 | |
-Sounds feasible. -Stranger things have happened. -Yeah. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:22 | |
-I'm just humouring you now. -I know. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:23 | |
I know, I realise as I'm saying it, I sound insane. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
But, yeah, that's childhood fear right there. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:30 | |
Your next choice is your biggest influence | 0:19:35 | 0:19:37 | |
and you couldn't have picked a more well-liked and respected actor. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:41 | |
# A fine romance with no kisses... # | 0:19:43 | 0:19:48 | |
Dame Judi Dench is a mega-famous film star. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:52 | |
But back in the '80s, she spent more time on the small screen, | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
not just acting - but singing beautifully too. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:59 | |
# ..yesterday's mashed potatoes. # | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
Such a good cast. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:04 | |
It didn't even have a happy ending. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:06 | |
It wasn't meant to have a happy ending, | 0:20:06 | 0:20:08 | |
that's why it was so romantic. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:09 | |
Across four series, | 0:20:09 | 0:20:11 | |
viewers were glued to their screens watching the awkward romance | 0:20:11 | 0:20:15 | |
and insecurities unfold between Laura, played by Judi Dench, | 0:20:15 | 0:20:19 | |
and Mike, portrayed by her real-life husband Michael Williams. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:23 | |
Erm, Barbarella. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:26 | |
-Jane Fonda stepping out of that spacesuit. -Pfft! | 0:20:29 | 0:20:33 | |
Well, what do you mean "Pfft"? | 0:20:34 | 0:20:36 | |
That's not romance, there wasn't even anybody else there. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:39 | |
There was, when I think about it. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:40 | |
Do you think the fact they were married in real life | 0:20:42 | 0:20:44 | |
-helped them play so well together? -Yes, yeah, I do. I think it does. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:48 | |
What I loved about it was that it kind of had a lot of pathos | 0:20:48 | 0:20:51 | |
to it and I think that's what makes television great. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:55 | |
If you have comedy and sadness. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:57 | |
Because, you know, you need your ups and downs in anything, | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
in drama and comedy. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:01 | |
So it's nice when you have those moments of real... | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
..sort of sadness or just poignant within a comedy. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:08 | |
I think, because it's just nice to watch | 0:21:08 | 0:21:10 | |
because not everything is hilarious. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:12 | |
I mean, she's moved gracefully into film, hasn't she, Dame Judi? | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
-Yeah. -And that's a big step, isn't it? | 0:21:15 | 0:21:17 | |
It's such a different way of working. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:19 | |
Yeah, and she just does it with such ease and grace and I love it. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:23 | |
Dame Judi Dench has delighted audiences of the stage, | 0:21:26 | 0:21:29 | |
small screen and big screen for over 50 years. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:34 | |
After making her stage debut in 1957, | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
she went on to join the Royal Shakespeare Company | 0:21:37 | 0:21:39 | |
and has gone on to play every leading female Shakespeare role. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:44 | |
But her talents weren't just reserved for the stage. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
She's acted on television throughout her career, | 0:21:47 | 0:21:50 | |
starring in hit series such as As Time Goes By and Cranford. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:54 | |
And of course, Dame Judi is a huge hit in Hollywood too, | 0:21:54 | 0:21:58 | |
starring in many critically acclaimed films, | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
including M in James Bond. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
Her amazing talent has seen her bag herself an Oscar, | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
two Golden Globes, seven Olivier Awards, | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
ten BAFTAs and, let's not forget, a damehood. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:14 | |
Dame Judi Dench, we salute you. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:17 | |
I managed to, I got to meet her and not work with her | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
but I was on the same stage as her at the Donmar. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:22 | |
They did a thing called The Vote | 0:22:22 | 0:22:23 | |
when the General Election was going and she was in it with her daughter. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:27 | |
And... | 0:22:27 | 0:22:28 | |
And I was in the same dressing room as her | 0:22:28 | 0:22:30 | |
and I just managed to talk to her for an hour and she was so... | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
Oh, God, she was just lovely. She's a wonderful, wonderful woman. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:36 | |
And not only is she a brilliant actress | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
and one of our very, very best, | 0:22:39 | 0:22:41 | |
but she's a decent, lovely woman as well. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:43 | |
That makes me so happy because I always like it | 0:22:43 | 0:22:47 | |
-when people who are brilliant are nice. -Yes. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:49 | |
It just makes you go, "Oh, thank God for that. I can still like them." | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
It makes such a difference. She's very...normal. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:56 | |
She's a normal actress. And it's just lovely. There's... | 0:22:56 | 0:23:00 | |
Because there are some actors that are quite fussy | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
and quite hysterical and quite chaotic. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:05 | |
-But she's none of those things and she's one of our best. -Yes. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
And the fact that she's one of our best | 0:23:09 | 0:23:11 | |
-and she's still very down-to-earth, just makes me very happy. -Yeah. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:15 | |
And I'm glad she's around and I'm glad she's British | 0:23:15 | 0:23:18 | |
and one of ours, I really am. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:20 | |
She's a joy. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:21 | |
I wanted to bring it now to your career. How did it all come about? | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
You know, those early days and then sort of going to university. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:34 | |
-Well, no, I went to drama school. -You went to drama school? | 0:23:34 | 0:23:36 | |
And it was a little one up in Hitchin, that nobody knew about, | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
and it was called the Hertfordshire Theatre School. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:41 | |
So you were the only one there? | 0:23:41 | 0:23:43 | |
-Pretty much, there were eight people in my year. -No? Really? | 0:23:43 | 0:23:46 | |
Eight or nine people in my year, yeah. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:47 | |
There was one boy, one boy and the rest were girls. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
So, while I was there, I got an audition for The Bill. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:52 | |
One of my many, many appearances in The Bill. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
And I got the job and then I got an agent from that | 0:23:55 | 0:23:58 | |
and it just sort of went from there, really. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:00 | |
-So, you like comedy? -I do. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:02 | |
-Sitcom, could you imagine you and your husband Martin... -Yeah. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:06 | |
-..together in something? Really? -Yeah. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:08 | |
I mean, we never rule out not doing anything... | 0:24:08 | 0:24:12 | |
We'd do something else together. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:13 | |
-But I think because we're doing Sherlock at the moment... -Yes. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
We don't want to be in everybody's | 0:24:16 | 0:24:17 | |
front rooms all the time, the two of us. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:19 | |
People would go, "Oh, it's them again. That's all we need." | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
Of your future? | 0:24:22 | 0:24:23 | |
Since Amanda and Martin's | 0:24:23 | 0:24:24 | |
characters first met in 2014, | 0:24:24 | 0:24:26 | |
their story has been central to the | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
BBC's smart, sassy Sherlock reboot. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:31 | |
Together, they provided one of | 0:24:31 | 0:24:33 | |
the third series' most memorable | 0:24:33 | 0:24:34 | |
and emotional scenes as Dr Watson | 0:24:34 | 0:24:36 | |
is reconciled with his wife | 0:24:36 | 0:24:38 | |
after learning about her secret past. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
SHE SOBS | 0:24:41 | 0:24:43 | |
You don't even know my name. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:44 | |
-Is Mary Watson good enough for you? -Yes. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
-Oh, my God, yes. -Well, it's good enough for me too. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:52 | |
-It is nice working with your other half. -Yeah. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
Because also, you do your job and then you go home | 0:24:58 | 0:25:01 | |
and you kind of dissect the day and it's nice. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
Because you've both been at work together | 0:25:04 | 0:25:06 | |
-and you've both experienced it. -Because Sherlock's not the only time | 0:25:06 | 0:25:09 | |
-you've worked with each other. -I've done quite a lot | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
of stuff with Martin. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:13 | |
I've played his wife a few times | 0:25:13 | 0:25:15 | |
and we met on a job. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:17 | |
Um, yeah, we've done... | 0:25:17 | 0:25:18 | |
But Sherlock is the biggest thing we've done together. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
So, it's the longest thing we've done together. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
And what job did you meet on? | 0:25:24 | 0:25:26 | |
It was a Channel 4 drama called Men Only, | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
which was quite a controversial two-part drama. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:33 | |
Erm, and I met him on that and I met him on a make-up bus | 0:25:33 | 0:25:37 | |
and I'd been moaning to the make-up artist, | 0:25:37 | 0:25:41 | |
saying, "I'm never going to have a boyfriend. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:43 | |
"I'm going to end up single for the rest of my life." | 0:25:43 | 0:25:45 | |
And she was saying, "Well, there's an actor on here | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
"that's saying the same thing. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:49 | |
"He said he just wants to meet a decent woman." | 0:25:49 | 0:25:51 | |
And she said, "Oh, he's coming onto the make-up bus now." | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
He came on and I looked at him and he looked at me and we kind of | 0:25:54 | 0:25:56 | |
had this thunderbolt and I'd never experienced that before. | 0:25:56 | 0:25:59 | |
And he was like, "Hello." And I was like, "Hello." | 0:25:59 | 0:26:01 | |
And then the next day, we were still flirting with each other. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:05 | |
And then we went out for a drink that night | 0:26:05 | 0:26:07 | |
and about two months later, I moved in with him. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:09 | |
And we've been together for 16 years this year. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:11 | |
-That's good going. -Yeah. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:13 | |
-AUDIENCE APPLAUDS -Ah! So, yeah. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:15 | |
So, what about the TV that you enjoy watching now? | 0:26:20 | 0:26:24 | |
I love The Apprentice. We're big fans of The Apprentice in our house. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:27 | |
We watch that a lot. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:28 | |
-And...good dramas. -Yeah. -I love good comedies. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:33 | |
Erm... | 0:26:33 | 0:26:34 | |
Yeah, I just like... | 0:26:35 | 0:26:36 | |
I like quality stuff with really good actors in | 0:26:36 | 0:26:40 | |
and really good comedians. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:41 | |
Well, we make some good stuff. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:43 | |
Oh, we do, we do. And some good drama and good comedy. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:45 | |
And some great drama. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:47 | |
We should be very proud of what we dish out here, | 0:26:47 | 0:26:49 | |
-especially on the Beeb. -I think we're really good. Yeah, I think so. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:51 | |
The Beeb's doing some fantastic stuff at the moment. It's great. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
Well, we look forward to all the fantastic stuff | 0:26:54 | 0:26:57 | |
you have ahead of you | 0:26:57 | 0:26:59 | |
in the future. You've been a wonderful guest. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:01 | |
-Thank you so much for being here. -Thanks for having me. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
So, at this point, my guest gets to choose a theme tune for us | 0:27:04 | 0:27:06 | |
-to play out on. -Yay! | 0:27:06 | 0:27:08 | |
-Have you had a little think about this? -Yeah. Yeah. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:11 | |
-Oh, go on. -Can I say? -Yeah. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:13 | |
-Do you want a drum roll? -Go on, then. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:15 | |
-The Wombles. -AUDIENCE CHEERS | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
We're going out on The Wombles? | 0:27:20 | 0:27:22 | |
Just the... | 0:27:22 | 0:27:23 | |
THEY HUM THE WOMBLES THEME TUNE | 0:27:23 | 0:27:25 | |
# Wombling free! # | 0:27:25 | 0:27:26 | |
-Brilliant, it's a brilliant tune. -It just takes you back? | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
Yeah, and also at the end, I remember the credits, | 0:27:29 | 0:27:31 | |
-he'd just be picking stuff up. -Hmm. -And I loved them, loved them. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:35 | |
-Well, we loved you. -Oh. -Thank you so much for being on the show. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:38 | |
-Thank you. -Thank you, Amanda. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:39 | |
-Oh, go on, two. -Yeah! -Oh! Make it three. Mwah! | 0:27:39 | 0:27:42 | |
SHE LAUGHS So, my thanks to Amanda | 0:27:42 | 0:27:44 | |
and my thanks to you for watching The TV That Made Me. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:46 | |
We'll see you next time. Bye-bye. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:48 | |
THE WOMBLES THEME TUNE PLAYS | 0:27:49 | 0:27:51 | |
-BOTH: -# Underground, overground wombling free | 0:27:51 | 0:27:55 | |
# The Wombles of Wimbledon Common are we | 0:27:55 | 0:27:59 | |
# Making good use of the things that we find | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
# Things that the everyday folks leave behind | 0:28:02 | 0:28:06 | |
# Uncle Bulgaria... | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
-SONG CONTINUES: -# He can remember the days | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
# When he wasn't behind the times | 0:28:12 | 0:28:15 | |
# With his map of the world | 0:28:15 | 0:28:17 | |
# Pick up the papers and take 'em to Tobermory. # | 0:28:17 | 0:28:24 |