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TV. The magic box of Hough isa delights.
As kids, it showed us a million different worlds
all from our living room.
This takes me right back.
That's so embarrassing.
I am genuinely shocked.
Each day I'm going to journey through the wonderful world
of telly with one of our favourite celebrities.
It's just so silly.
Oh! I love it!
Is it Mr Benn?
-As they select the iconic TV moments...
..that tell us the stories of their lives.
Oh, my God.
-Some will make you laugh...
..some will surprise...
-..many will inspire...
Look at this. Why wouldn't you want to watch this?
..and others will move us.
Seeing that there made a huge impact on me.
Got a handkerchief?
So come watch with us
as we rewind to the classic telly that shaped those
wide-eyed youngsters into the much-loved stars they are today.
Welcome to the TV That Made Me. My guest today has
all the ingredients to make her a true TV star.
She's the one and only Rachel Khoo!
Come and sit yourself down.
Creative, beautiful and one hell of a cook,
the delightful Rachel Khoo has become a household name
thanks to her Little Paris Kitchen.
The TV that made her includes a firm favourite for her foodie family.
A Broom Cupboard bird that had her in stitches.
And an inspirational chef.
Now, Rachel, I was going to knock you something nice
-but will a cup of tea do?
-Yes, it's fine.
I'm happy with a cup of tea.
-Are you excited about this trip down memory lane?
-I am super-excited!
I can't wait to see what you've got lined up.
Going to show some TV highlights, things that you have chosen,
things that you probably haven't seen since they very first
came out but, first up,
we're going to have a look at a very young Rachel Khoo.
Born and raised in South London,
Rachel Khoo grew up with her Austrian mother,
who was a secretary,
her Malay Chinese dad, who worked in IT,
and her younger brother, Michael.
After a spell living in Germany,
Rachel moved back to the UK
where she did a degree in art and design in London.
A developing passion for patisserie then drew Rachel to Paris where
she graduated from Le Cordon Bleu culinary school.
She soon established herself as an author and Rachel's third book,
The Little Paris Kitchen, hit our TV sets in 2012.
Since then, she has continued to travel the world
bringing all manner of cuisine to our screens whilst juggling
her life as a bestselling writer.
So, how important was TV?
Um...TV was very important because my parents were super-strict
-about watching TV as a kid.
I remember as a kid with my brother we lived in our house in Bromley,
we had the hatches from the kitchen, and it was linked to the TV room,
the lounge, and on Saturday morning, we would squeeze ourselves through.
I'm assuming they would lock the latch door.
Yeah, they locked the lounge door so we would squeeze ourselves through
the hatch but we were little so we could manage
through the hatch and then go and watch Saturday morning TV.
-Because you wasn't allowed to?
-No, we weren't allowed to watch...
-Why was you not allowed to watch?
-Because my parents thought TV
was a bad thing. Or too much TV.
Yeah, you know? So when we heard the rumble upstairs,
parents are coming down,
it was like, "Quick, get through the hatch again!"
Now, we're going to start with your earliest TV memory.
Which TV cupboard really stuck with the young Rachel Khoo?
If you're wondering what all these are, they're tomatoes.
Oh, my goodness.
-Edd the Duck!
-So you don't go, "Oh, Andi Peters," you go,
-"Oh, Edd the Duck."
-Oh, come on, who was the star?
It was Edd the Duck.
Although I have met Andi Peters and he's pretty amazing, too,
but Edd the Duck.
Look, I mean, what's not to love about Edd the Duck?
First of all...
-You've got to have...
QUACK QUACK QUACK
Green fingers. You have got green fingers, very nice.
The phone's ringing.
The children's BBC Broom Cupboard launched in 1985.
Live from a tiny room, presenters would introduce the shows
for that afternoon with their furry co-host beside them.
Did you love the way he translated?
Why are you speaking in that funny accent?
-QUACK QUACK QUACK
-Because he's a gah-dener, you see.
And you have manure as a gah-dener, don't you?
Sorry, it still entertains me.
What do you mean it's not ready yet?
No, be quiet.
Let me pick it...
Now I think, like, who's the person kind of going like that?
You like one of those ones. No, I think we'll have this one, Edd.
No, I think we'll have this one...
Edd the Duck was a big influence on you?
He was like the first kind of TV show I remember as a kid.
You know, the one after school,
coming home from primary school
putting the TV on and you'd see Edd the Duck
and they'd be chatting about something.
The problem with Edd the Duck
was that you never knew when he was going to pop up.
Hello, Edd! How are you, mate?
Oh, my goodness!
I'm suddenly, like, "Celebrity in the house."
-Do you want to give him a little stroke?
-There you go.
-I love your jumper!
Yeah, it's got 'Edd.' We've got a little game for you to play.
-I shall translate. What is that, Edd?
QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK
You want her to name...
QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK
As many of the Broom Cupboard presenters...
as you can.
QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK
And if you can name four...
..Edd will come and live with you in your house forever...
QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK
..as long as she promises never to cook orange sauce.
OK. All right.
I won't cook duck a l'orange.
I've got a card here and I'll be able to tell.
OK, there's only one.
There's obviously Andi Peters. And then Phillip Schofield I remember.
-He's another good one.
And then I can't remember anybody else.
Can you give me some clues?
Johnny Ball's daughter.
Oh! Zoe Ball.
You got four. You pleased with that?
-I'm very pleased.
-Edd will come and live with you.
So, Edd, go and pack your bags and duck down.
Edd the Duck!
I never thought I would ever meet Edd the Duck.
-The next choice, Rachel, is Must See TV but before we do...
..I've got a little surprise.
OK. Oh, I don't know about your surprises.
I've been in the kitchen, I've been cooking.
-What have you made?
-What do you think it looks like?
-You've made lasagne!
I have. I haven't, I bought it.
-I don't think you have these containers.
When you look at lasagne, what does it remind you of?
-What TV programme?
I had a really big thing for Garfield.
My brother and I had a really big thing for Garfield
the cartoon and we loved Garfield
so much we would make our mum make lasagne.
And you would eat that while watching Garfield.
-There's my remote.
Here it is. Garfield.
Ladies and gentlemen, Garfield and Friends.
I haven't seen this in years!
Based on cartoonist Jim Davis's comic strip called Garfield,
this hilarious animated series
featured the adventures of a lovable lazy cat and his friends.
I loved, obviously, Garfield
but the relationship between Garfield and Odie.
-Odie the dog, of course.
-Odie the dog.
We're starving away to nothingness
and all you can think about is going out?
So what was it about that relationship that you loved so much?
Garfield was always so miserable and all he did was sleep and eat, which
for me is pretty much amazing.
I love to sleep and eat, and then Odie would just be
oblivious to everything.
And just so joyful and up for everything.
You know, no matter what happened, he'd go for it and Garfield's like,
Famed for his fondness of food,
lasagne-loving Garfield's life generally revolved around
sleeping and, not surprisingly, stuffing his face.
Sorry, cat. We close at eight sharp.
You can't do this to me.
-I've done that.
I went to Japan
and I was in Tokyo and I found this little noodle place
I really wanted to go to
and it wasn't open so I was banging on the door.
I was knocking on the neighbour's door and I don't speak Japanese
and I was like... "Where's the noodle man!
"Where's the noodle soup?"
I think Garfield and I have a lot in common
because food for us means so much.
Rachel, we're going to move on to your Guilty Pleasure now.
It's an underwater sci-fi,
and this particular episode contains talking dolphins.
-Do you know what the programme is?
-I think I do.
-Why do you laugh?
-Because I haven't seen it
since I watched it as a teenager.
But I was obsessed with this programme.
Steven Spielberg's futuristic sci-fi show SeaQuest DSV
was set in the early 21st century,
when mankind have colonised the last unexplored region on Earth -
Labelled "a wet space opera," its characters and storylines
could have been equally at home on the Starship Enterprise.
I was so obsessed, I had a massive fight with my mum for not letting me
-watch it one day.
She wanted me to do some cleaning and help out in the house,
and I was like, "I've got to watch it!"
You know, it's, "Something dramatic is going to happen!"
-General, he's a dolphin, not a spy.
Sir, you can't put him in just any ecology.
He's going to get sick in there.
Your mammal is responsible for a breach in UEO security.
Until we find out who he's talking to, we intend to keep an eye on him.
My friend, have you been sending messages?
It was set in the future, this is 2018.
It's 2018? That's in, like, two years' time!
I know, I know!
I've gone blank on his name, but that young guy with his,
like, tousled hair...
-..I had the biggest crush on him.
I think he was my first TV crush.
His name was Jonathan Brandis.
Jonathan Brandis. I had a poster of him on my wall in my room.
Look at it. I don't think we're going to sneak him
a flounder with a file in it.
The captain of the SeaQuest was played by the late,
great Roy Scheider, who's best known as Chief Brody in Jaws.
Which meant he was well accustomed to performing
with these very lifelike animatronic sea creatures.
Thankfully, Darwin the dolphin was much less frightening than Jaws.
So was it for the brilliant storylines you watched this for,
or was it cos you had a crush?
Well, what do you think?
Come on, I was a teenage girl, all the crazy hormones.
It was him and Take That.
It would be funny to watch this now and see what kind of technology
I withheld very important information from these people.
I'm lucky I'm not in jail.
I think the dolphin was the best actor in that scene!
Hey, don't slate my Jonathan!
So, was you a bit of a sci-fi geek?
-I don't think...
-Or was it really, purely down to Jonathan?
I think it was purely down to Jonathan.
-If he was on I was, like, glued to the TV.
But now watching it I'm like, "Oh, my goodness."
My taste has evolved.
I don't think this would be my guilty pleasure any more.
And we're going to move on to your next choice now.
-A show that had you all huddled around the TV.
This is your Family Favourite.
-What's it called?
-Food and Drink!
-Food and Drink.
-I remember that theme tune!
Undoubtedly a trailblazer when it comes to foodie telly,
the original series of Food and Drink had viewers hooked
from 1982 to 2001.
Regularly presented by Chris Kelly and the late Michael Barry,
the hit show also made household names of wine experts
Oz Clarke and Jilly Goolden.
The series wasn't just about good food and wine.
It also tackled hard-hitting topical news stories
such as the BSE crisis, and exposed dodgy products.
And it saw early appearances of many of today's celebrity chefs,
including Jamie Oliver.
That was the one TV show we were allowed to stay up for.
Because your family, your mum, your dad,
they were passionate about food,
-Yeah, they loved to watch, you know, this show.
-It was really popular at that time!
-Oh, it was very popular.
This is what happens if you take the front off,
show you what goes on inside.
Whacky wine critic Jilly Goolden is known fondly
for teaching the nation to sniff, sip and swill.
So the wine doesn't get spoilt by oxidation.
Incidentally, this valve is so powerful
that when you've emptied the bag,
you can blow it up and use it as a beach pillow when it's finished.
-There you go!
-I didn't know that!
-You'd be so drunk you won't bother with it.
You'd just be collapsed.
I did always wonder how they, you know,
drink everything and not end up a little bit tipsy on the show.
Yeah, yeah. And of course, she...
Jilly always had a wonderful way of explaining the bouquet of a certain
-She would always use words - as a kid I would be like, "Ooh,
"what does that mean?"
And the kind of facial expressions.
I wonder if she had to warm up beforehand.
Yeah, yeah, yeah!
-We've got a little game...
..that we would like you to warm up to.
-A little wine-tasting game.
-Excuse me while I go to the kitchen. A little...
Oh, blimey, I knocked the door there, I nearly lost them.
-Don't trip up now!
-No, I won't.
So we've got three bottles of wine here.
-And, of course, Jilly was always wonderful at explaining
how the aroma of the wine, you know, felt and tasted.
Yeah. Very creative.
Yes. We've got three bottles of wine,
and we'll be showing you three vintage clips from Jilly.
-But, firstly, you've got to taste it.
-So is that A?
-I think that's A.
-Oh, right, they you go, so you're sober.
Yeah, let's make the most of this.
So have a little sniff. Oh, and, er,
I've got a little cup here if you wish to spit it out,
if you want to be all professional, or you're just going to drink it.
I'm just going to drink it!
I can swirl it around, and you're supposed to look at the tears.
So when Jilly tasted this wine, did she say,
"It tastes of rainy days and Mondays,"
"It tastes like bracken shoots on a hot heath,"
or C, "It's like a bag of chips with a pickled egg."
Bag of chips with a pickled egg!
Yeah, go with A.
You're going to go with A, tastes like rainy days and Mondays.
-Let's find out.
Bracken shoots on a hot heath, absolutely wonderful!
Oh, the correct answer was B,
it tastes like bracken shoots on a hot heath.
Oh, but rainy days! So, so poetic!
Let's see if you can get the next one right.
So, when Jilly tasted this one, did she say,
"It has hints of peanut butter and jam,"
"It tastes like dry, salty fish,"
"It's got a lovely, buxom quality with pert acidity
"and a slick of green apples"?
I think there's definitely something pert about this white wine.
Right, so you're going with the slick of green apples.
Buxom quality, but with pert acidity and a lovely sort of
-slick of green apple.
Yes, well done!
Well done. Rachel, here's your final one.
-So when Jilly tasted this one, did she say,
"It has an undercurrent of village ponds."
Do I really want to drink it with village...?
"It tastes like a fireplace dusted with icing sugar,"
or C, "We're getting a bit bathroomy,
"this one is just like bath salts,
"but lovely bath salts"?
Let's go with the bath salts.
Now this one is just like bath salts when you get there,
absolutely extraordinary, lovely bath salts, of course.
-You are correct, well done indeed!
You have a very good palate - two out of three is not bad.
It's not bad, with a cold as well!
-Yeah, yeah, yeah,!
-Well, time for a break now, a commercial break.
And one that I hope brings back some really good memories.
Have a little look at this.
Showing a bushy-browed teenager's panic
in the aftermath of a house party,
this classic ad was one of a series of mini-drama adverts
for the Yellow Pages.
Who are you?
-That's Jake Wood from EastEnders, there.
Oh, hello, French polishers?
It's just possible you could save my life.
Mum, just landed?
I'm on my way.
-So, what was it about that advert that you loved so much?
-a similar thing happened to me.
-What, you had a party?
Well, not quite.
I did some artwork on the dining room table
and I was cutting something out and I thought,
"Oh, I don't need a mat." And I cut it and then I got a mark.
So I thought, "I'll file it."
-And the mark became a dip.
And then my dad banished me to the garden shed.
Forever onwards I had to do artwork in the garden shed,
because I didn't think of Yellow Pages.
Man, if I had the Yellow Pages at the time
I would have given somebody a call.
But, yeah... So I can associate with that feeling of getting
-a scratch on the table.
So, your next choice is a lady who has been cooking
on our screens since the early '70s.
You have chosen her as your biggest influence.
And here she is destroying a coconut.
Well, now we're going to go on a long journey
all the way from Thailand to Sri Lanka.
And I want to show you a curry recipe that a friend of mine
-brought back from there.
-Look at the earrings!
..which is a fresh coconut.
Her earrings are nearly as big as the coconut!
..not exactly user-friendly.
Champion of back-to-basics cookery,
Delia Smith is so influential
that she created a phenomenon known as the Delia Effect -
a celebrity endorsement that prompts a shopper stampede.
Put the coconut inside the polythene bag.
Then you need a really heavy object,
something like a big hammer or a mallet.
I think we know what's going to happen, don't we?
-I think there's something quite brutal about this.
And then you put the coconut onto the concrete...
In the past, the Delia Effect
has caused a national cranberry shortage
and seen salted caper sales rise by 350%.
She enjoyed that, didn't she?
Yeah, I think so.
I think what's great about Delia, she always gave us a little tip,
didn't she? A handy hint.
Yeah, she was good at giving tips and it was always very clear.
You know, nothing too complicated in terms of techniques.
And just keep sliding the knife in,
right underneath and then it'll just prise it away, like that.
And nowadays, you say, "Just buy at your supermarket already prepared."
Yeah. But she was a huge influence?
Definitely. I mean, she was, for me...
Delia was the first solo cookery... personality I watched on TV.
And I remember watching a lot of her shows
like Christmas shows and like this one here as a kid
and enjoying them, obviously.
But also being interested in what she was cooking
and discovering new things.
And I always feel she's kind of combined that kind of
educational part and also the delicious part, because the food...
As a kid, it looked really tasty.
Nowadays, filming food on TV has evolved a little bit,
the styling is a little bit different. But I think
back in the '80s, it was pretty...exciting.
-To see all the different...
Like, there, cooking a Thai curry, I'd never tasted a Thai curry.
So it was interesting to see all these flavours and things she was
exploring and different ingredients.
I think when you're growing up as a young girl, a young woman,
it's great to see a woman on TV
doing her own show and doing it really well and...
being intelligent about it as well.
-I think it's educational in the way she talks about food,
but it's still tasty.
Rachel, we've seen the television that has influenced you
but we're going to have a look at your big break. Ms Rachel Khoo.
This is French food the way the Parisians cook and eat it.
C'est tout. That's it.
People always ask me, "Was it really your home?"
I was like, "Yes!"
From her own tiny kitchen in Paris to the capital's
beautiful bistros, Rachel revealed French cooking for the 21st century.
It was this big, the camera was this big,
we all had to squeeze in like this, you know.
-I think that's what gave it its appeal.
-People are always talking about that tiny kitchen.
And what you created in that tiny kitchen.
-It was charming.
Thank you. All right, for the pistou sauce, it's really easy.
'Sometimes, you know, the director said, "OK, Rachel,
'"we need a shot of you stirring the bowl'
"but your head is in the way."
And I'm like, "OK..."
So the cameraman would squeeze in behind me
and he'd have the camera over my shoulder
and I would be like mixing like this
and then, like, trying to get that shot.
So, you know, if we had a behind-the-scenes,
it would have been very funny.
-I would have liked to have seen that.
-Yeah, and all the camera kit,
you know, the bags, was popped in the bath tub.
-Cos there was no room anywhere else.
-Yeah, so, no, it was... It was good fun.
Would you go back to that?
-I went mad by the end of it.
I was banging my head against the chopping board.
All you need now is some sunflower oil.
Traditional pistou is a bit like the very popular Italian pesto,
it just doesn't have pine nuts or Parmesan in it.
And you're going to blend it up.
'I still have that blender at home.'
-And it's got tape on it cos it's, like, falling apart.
You can use it like a pesto, but it also goes well with potatoes,
And because it has no dairy, it's great for vegans.
It must have been amazing. Did you think it was going to take off?
-Did you have a feeling?
I knew something big was going to happen, because...
just to be on the BBC, it's huge.
Even in France, you know, they know...
"BBC? C'est le BBC."
So I knew something was definitely going to change.
But, at the same time, because I still lived in Paris
when the show kicked off,
I didn't experience that recognising you on the street
and stuff like that. So my life continued
as...as usual, you know? It was just when I went back to London
or, you know, I hop on the train, go back for some meetings
then I would notice, like, either I had something funny
on my face when I was on the Tube or people
were like, "Oh, I recognise her," or something like that. So, yeah.
Rachel, what do you watch now?
What do I watch now? So, I love box sets.
And I don't really have a TV.
I have a computer. I didn't even have a TV in my kitchen in Paris,
it was the oven or the TV, and I needed the oven more.
Luther was on again,
The Fall. I love all those crime series.
I'm not so much into cookery shows,
cos when I watch cookery shows I'm like, "How did they film that?
-"What camera angle?"
-So it's like a busman's holiday?
Yes. Yeah, yeah.
Rachel, you've been a wonderful guest.
You've brought a ray of sunshine to my sofa.
Oh, thank you!
I want to thank you and I also want to give you the opportunity now
to choose a theme tune for us to play out on.
-Have you thought about this?
-Yes. I have thought about it.
So one of the shows I used to watch as a teenager was, in German,
which is also very bizarre, The Fresh Prince Of Bel Air.
-And I can't rap but I like the tune.
It's always so fun.
-And it's like...
When you hear it, it's like, "Oh, yeah!"
-So I thought that would be a good tune for the end.
-Thank you very much.
-Oh, two. I forget.
-So, my thanks to you, Rachel,
and my thanks to you for watching The TV That Made Me.
We'll see you next time. Bye-bye.
# I'd like to take a minute, just sit right there
# I'll tell you how I became the prince of a town called Bel Air
# In west Philadelphia born and raised
# On the playground was where I spent most of my days
# Chillin' out, maxin', relaxin' all cool
# And all shooting some b-ball outside of the school
# When a couple of guys who were up to no good
# Started making trouble in my neighbourhood
# I got in one little fight and my mom got scared
# And said "You're movin' with your auntie and uncle in Bel Air"
# I whistled for a cab and when it came near
# The license plate said 'FRESH' and it had dice in the mirror... #
Comedy legend Brian Conley journeys through the fantastic world of television with some of our favourite celebrities who have chosen the TV moments that have shaped their lives.
TV chef Rachel Khoo has stepped away from her Little Paris Kitchen and joins Brian Conley on the sofa to talk about the TV that helped shape her in to the person she is today. Brian finds out if Rachel can channel her inner Jilly Goolden when he gives her a wine-tasting test. Will her taste buds be a match for the queen of wine? From a lasagne-loving cat to a duck that lived in a broom cupboard, this show has no end of surprises! Just don't mention duck a l'orange...