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'It was a show that went out three nights a week...live...'

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Mr Wogan, you're on.

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'..with a live audience, and everyone who was anyone dropping in.

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'The great and the good, the bad and the ugly.

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'They called it Wogan.

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'I never knew why. So,

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'if you're sitting comfortably,

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'I'll show you something I made earlier.'

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God knows what they will make of us in 25 years' time.

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THEME MUSIC PLAYS

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Welcome to a show which is peopled by a very select group indeed,

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which probably lets me out.

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Oscar winners, the creme de la creme of the acting world,

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the proud owners of the top trophy in Tinseltown - I have all

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the phrases, you know,

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which today means Audrey Hepburn,

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Anne Bancroft,

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Gregory Peck,

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Gene Hackman, Sher and James Stewart.

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But our first Oscar winner is one of cinema's

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great creative funnymen, Mel Brooks.

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He picked up the Best Screenplay Academy Award

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for The Producers and when he came on my show

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he was quick to criticise how was it produced.

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The nerve of the man!

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-You are known as the master of bad taste.

-Yes, I am.

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Is this justified or are you sorry now?

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No, no, it's justified.

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I am known for my exquisitely bad taste.

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In America, people say, "Mr Brooks,

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"you are in bad taste." I say, "Up yours."

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That's how we talk. It isn't nice but...

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The entertainer, eh?

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You know, I've been watching this show from the wings.

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I'm not going to criticise it, I love it.

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The cameras seem to have some problems knowing

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when you are going to speak and when your guest is going to speak.

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So, it occurred to me, to warn them

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so that they don't come in on a second syllable or a second word,

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if you say "ba-ba" and then talk, on the "ba-ba", they will cut to you.

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If I'm going to talk, I will say "ba-ba",

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and they'll cut to me. Now, it may sound

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like some African language but

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the cameras will get it right,

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even if the audience gets it a little mish-mushed.

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It sounds very...

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Of course that's why you're a director and producer

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and I'm just a common or garden...

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Ba-ba! I'll tell you, Terry...

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LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE

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Ba-ba! I hadn't finished.

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I like that. I didn't "ba-ba", get the hell off me.

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Wait for the "ba-ba".

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Now that you've become a Hollywood mogul yourself

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with the Brooks films, has it changed you a lot?

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You were an innocent, open-faced Jewish boy writing comedy,

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now you're a mogul and it's different, isn't it?

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I'm a mogul, it's different, yes.

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I used to be innocent...

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I am mogul, it's different... Fire them

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and hire them, and hire them and fire them.

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Hire and fire, fire and hire.

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Show me a nice...

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But I used to be innocent and wonderful and intransigent...

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The last bit was more like you. That's more like you there.

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-That's you.

-Yes, this is close.

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Dr Jekyll and Mr Goldman, right? Have I got it? Yes, very.

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I don't know. To tell you the truth, I miss the innocent lad that I was.

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Where does the director in you come into it?

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Do you like bossing people around and telling them what to do?

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Well, to be perfectly honest, yes.

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-There is no fooling you.

-I knew you were power-crazed...

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You're too darn bright.

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-..the minute you walked in. Yeah.

-Yeah.

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In the dressing room when they were making me up I said,

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"Why the hell did Parkinson leave?

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"I've got to work with this stupid Irishman," but...

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I said that in the dressing room as well.

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-But then I thought on it, I thought hard on it.

-Steady.

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Two points.

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What I came up with was, I love your vocal ping-pong,

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I love your alacrity and quickness of mind,

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I love your wit and I love that most of you hair is your own.

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Yes! Most, yes. Success, however, has not unspoiled you.

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I'm not crazy about your tie, I can tell you.

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-I shouldn't say that on the air.

-Well, you're a guest.

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Yes, it's true. Solid ties have been in for six years now, you know that?

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-And out again.

-And out again.

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-We're wearing something different in Britain, you know.

-Underneath?

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-All over.

-All over, yes.

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-I understand you are bit of a wine snob.

-No, no.

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Come on, you bring your own bottle of wine to dinner.

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Yes, I drank some of the swill you had in the dressing room.

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-What's this about bringing your own bottle to dinner?

-I do.

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I bring my own bottle to dinner.

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-Does this not offend your host or hostess?

-Who gives a...?

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Who cares? Rather. Do you know what Jewish foreplay is?

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-Let me tell you what Jewish foreplay is. May I?

-please.

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20 minutes of begging.

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LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE

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Terry, you are a saucy devil.

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I watched your interview with Bob Fosse,

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who was good. You were wonderful. But you did ask questions that

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were really unseemly.

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-Saucy?

-Yes, saucy. You said...

-You're a fine one to talk.

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Well! I'm vulgar, so I can say anything.

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But you said, "Is there still a casting couch?

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"Is it still a practice?"

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I was going to ask you that.

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-Then you said, "Do YOU use?" What could he say?

-Yes.

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Well, even if he did, would he admit it?

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-He nearly did.

-He nearly did.

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-What about you?

-I admit it.

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I admit it.

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Look, you don't need a casting couch. With your attraction,

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you could've got the girls without it. Why use it?

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You will pay for that.

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That hasn't gone unnoticed.

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I like you, swear to God.

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Yet, you married an Italian.

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Wogan, there is little green thing on this side of your nose. Get it...

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LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE

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It's gone now.

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Don't try and evade the issue. Ba-ba!

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-And yet you married an Italian?

-Yes. I did.

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Well, she's an American, born in the United States of America,

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of Italian ancestry, Italian parentage.

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-That's easy for you to say.

-Yes.

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Her mother and father were born in the US,

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but her grandparents were from good old Italy.

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-Is she taller than you?

-Ba-ba. yes.

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When she wears her spiked Cuban heels,

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which I demand that she wear on Sunday nights.

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We can drive the audience insane with this kind of talk.

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All she wears is spiked Cuban heels,

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-a large feather...

-Oh!

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..and an Indian bathrobe.

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-Ah!

-No, my wife is actually a very conservative lady.

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She is a dramatic actress and she adores me because I'm the other

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side of her life. I am merriment,

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I'm fun, I'm silly.

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When are we going to see that side of you?

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You've actually worked together. Is this the first time you've worked

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-together in your new movie?

-I don't like it when you really funny.

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When you're nearly funny, I like.

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Then the audience at home says, "The Irishman thinks he's funny.

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"The Jewish... He's the one, he's funny.

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"But the other one thinks he's funny.

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"He's really funny.

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"The Irishman is nearly funny. But the Jew, he's hysterical."

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But sometimes you're really funny and it's very disappointing...

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It takes the heart out of one, I'll tell you the truth.

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Ba-ba. I'm sorry.

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Now, you heard Mel Brooks and I discussing his wife,

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the Oscar-winning actress Anne Bancroft.

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Could a couple be more different?

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Whereas Mel talked nineteen to the dozen,

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Anne made for one of my toughest encounters.

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Couldn't get a word out of her.

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She was promoting the film, 84 Charing Cross Road,

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joining Ben Elton, unfortunately for him, on the Wogan sofa.

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But she only realised the show was live once it started

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and became as nervous as Dustin Hoffman

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in The Graduate seduction scene.

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APPLAUSE

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SHE MOUTHS

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I caught you counting there.

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Four, five, six, seven, eight, nine. Hold it a second.

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-Hello.

-This is Ben.

-Nice to meet you.

-Ben Elton.

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-Nice to meet you.

-Welcome.

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-Is it Benjamin?

-It is Benjamin, yes, indeed. But to my friends...

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-I once knew a Benjamin.

-You did.

-You know another one.

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In The Graduate, Benjamin.

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-That's right.

-Yes.

-I didn't think you'd get that one.

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Why, do I appear slow?

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-Have I been slow all evening?

-No, I've only just met you.

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LAUGHTER

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I had the pleasure of interviewing your husband, Mel Brooks,

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about four years ago.

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-And he told me that I had to talk to you.

-Why?

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Because he said you do most of the stuff for him,

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you write most of the gags and all that.

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-He said you're his inspiration.

-Oh, that's not true.

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-Is he your inspiration?

-No.

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-Is he a help to you?

-LAUGHTER

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-You don't inspire each other at all?

-No.

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-We barely see each other, to tell you the truth.

-Really?

-Yes.

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-That's not good, is it?

-Well, it is. At times, it's good.

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Now, you haven't, in fact... In 84 Charing Cross Road...

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You're a very smart man.

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..you swap letters with old Anthony Hopkins,

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and you haven't met him either, have you? You acted separately.

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You acted apart from each other. That can't have been easy.

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-He's acting here, and you're acting in America.

-Yes, right.

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So how do you do that?

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What do you mean, how? He acts here, and I act there.

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But surely if you're acting with somebody,

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-you want them to respond to you, don't you?

-Oh, well, yes.

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I had a little thing in my ear, and he spoke through that.

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I had recordings of him in my ear.

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Stanislavski, that's real motivation, isn't it? In your ear.

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It must be difficult to generate a character when you're, you know...

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-Well, most of my character...

-Like an interview, really.

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-I tell you, it's a lot easier than this.

-You don't find this easy?

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No, I don't find this easy at all.

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-It's your job, Terry.

-The character's based on the letters...

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LAUGHTER

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Sorry, I...

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-Carry on, the character and the letters.

-Um. What was I saying?

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The character is based on the letters.

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The character is based on the letters.

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-So I have the letters in my ear, so I...

-Yeah.

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You do a lot of addressing, perhaps not a lot,

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-but you do address the camera sometimes in the movie.

-We do.

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-Did you find that difficult to do?

-I did, that was really...

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That is difficult.

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Do you have to evolve a different technique for that,

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or work yourself up to a frenzy before you can do it?

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Do you convince yourself when you're doing it?

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Did you convince yourself when you watched the movie?

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Did you think that worked?

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Do you know, I haven't really seen the whole movie all the way through

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So I don't know.

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-Did you read the book?

-That I did.

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And didn't Mel Brooks give you the book as a birthday present,

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-or an anniversary present?

-Oh, no, that's a pack of lies.

-Is it?

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Yes, a pack of lies.

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I'm glad we didn't have that in the research(!)

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-So it's a tissue of lies?

-Yes.

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You were saying you find this kind of thing horrific?

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-This kind of thing?

-Not the film, the interview.

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-No, the film was great.

-The film was easy. This is hard.

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-Why do you hate this kind of thing so much? Is it me?

-Probably.

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It's probably me, is it?

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-It's not the dried flowers, you don't think?

-That too.

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-TERRY LAUGHS

-Do you do any of this in America?

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-Do you ever do a talk show?

-No.

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-Are you glad you did this one?

-No.

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Some things are sent to try us.

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I need music to smooth my ruffled brow after watching that.

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Now, here's someone who bites lumps out of songs.

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The mellow bellow of Cher.

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APPLAUSE AND CHEERING

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MUSICAL INTRODUCTION

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# Don't you know

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# So many things they come and go?

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# Like your words that once rang true

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# Just like the love I thought I found in you

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# And I remember the thunder

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# Talking 'bout the fire in your eyes

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# But you walked away when I needed you most

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# Now, maybe, baby, maybe, baby

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# I found someone

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# To take away the heartache

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# To take away the loneliness

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# I've been feeling since you've been gone

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# Since you've been gone

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# Dry your eyes

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# I never could bear to see you cry

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# Some day your love will shine through

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# And show you the feelings if you never really knew

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# Baby, don't you lose that thunder

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# Talking 'bout the fire in your eyes

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# You're looking at me

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# But you still don't believe

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# That maybe, baby, maybe, baby

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# I found someone

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# To take away the heartache

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# To take away the loneliness

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# I've been feeling since you've been gone

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# Since you've been gone

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# Too long on the borderline

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# Wondering if your love was really mine

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# But you left me with open eyes

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# And when I realised

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# Baby, I found someone

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# To take away the heartache

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# To take away the loneliness

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# I've been feeling since you've been gone

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# Baby, I found someone

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# To take away the heartache

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# To take away the loneliness

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# I've been feeling since you've been gone

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# Since you've been gone. #

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APPLAUSE AND CHEERING

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Cher, who won a Best Actress Oscar in 1988 for the film Moonstruck.

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Now, we've got Gene Hackman,

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a man not known for making many television appearances,

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and one of the cinema's best and most enduring actors.

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He came by for a chat while over here filming Superman II,

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in which he played the hero's evil arch nemesis.

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How about playing Lex Luthor in Superman,

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did you enjoy playing the baddie?

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It's great fun. I must say, it's like a licence to steal.

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Almost anything you do is going to be OK,

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because he's a flamboyant character, and deranged,

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all the things that actors love to play.

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-It's the best part in the movie, really.

-I think so.

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I wouldn't play Superman for anything.

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You don't envy Christopher getting into the cape?

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-He uses my body, of course!

-Of course.

-That's public knowledge.

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But I wouldn't want to play the part.

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Is your body your greatest asset

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-when it comes to acting?

-Yes, that and my face.

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GENTLE LAUGHTER

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There's not much wrong with your face.

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Do you enjoy doing comedy parts?

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As you say, because of your face and physique,

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you tend to play the heavy a lot.

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Yes. Actually, I started in the theatre, on Broadway,

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in seven Broadway plays, all of them comedies.

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Light comedies, very light. They wouldn't allow them these days.

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They would be something you'd see on television.

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But my background was in improvisation and comedy.

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What I think is really encouraging about your career,

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particularly for those people who see young people coming up

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and being stars very quickly - "Oh, when did you start acting?"

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"When I was 15 and a half."

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-You didn't actually start until you were 30.

-Yes.

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I think it's great that you've reached stardom

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and you're still a man of 40 or so...

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40 is right(!)

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I've done 50 films in ten years, amazing!

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LAUGHTER

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It hasn't been easy for you.

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What did you do in those 15, maybe more, years

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when you gave up school and decided... Did you always want to be an actor?

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Well, I did, secretly.

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I didn't want to tell anybody because I was ashamed.

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I thought maybe that was something that lightweights did.

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And, actually, I got into the business

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because I thought it would keep me from working

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and it was a way to meet girls.

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And it hasn't worked out that way at all.

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It's a lot of hard work, actually.

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That's so true. So many people go into acting

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-as it's a way to meet all the good-looking girls.

-Yes.

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-But you haven't found them?

-Elderly ladies at this point!

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Not all that elderly.

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It is funny, I never had any large goals as an actor.

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All I wanted to do was work. I loved it so much that

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I wanted off Broadway, and then a small part in television, maybe,

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and then Broadway. And that all kind of happened.

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And then, from a Broadway show, I was cast in a film called Lilith

0:19:220:19:29

that Warren Beatty and Jean Seberg were in.

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And Warren then remembered me from that,

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and gave me a part in Bonnie And Clyde.

0:19:340:19:36

-That was really when the bandwagon started.

-That's right.

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Before that, you'd had hard times in New York

0:19:390:19:41

along with Dustin Hoffman and Robert Duvall.

0:19:410:19:44

We were all buddies together.

0:19:440:19:46

Dustin and I had gone to the Pasadena Playhouse together

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and then we became great pals in New York.

0:19:490:19:53

Did you ever confide in each other what your great dreams were?

0:19:530:19:56

Do you ever, when you meet now, say, "Well, it worked out"?

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I think our great dreams were just to keep working, the tiny jobs,

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just anything.

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Bobby Duvall and I used to go around terrified that we would get a job,

0:20:050:20:10

terrified to meet the agents.

0:20:100:20:13

We had our 8x10 glossies with all this made-up stuff on the back,

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and we hadn't done anything. And we would go knock on the doors

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and slip our resumes under the door and run like thieves.

0:20:200:20:23

I don't know what we expected to get from that.

0:20:230:20:25

But it was amazing how things do work out,

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that all three of us have won Academy Awards,

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and have done some pretty interesting films.

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The major role that won you the Academy Award was Popeye Doyle

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in The French Connection.

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-You may not do anything better than that.

-Why, thank you?!

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-GENTLE LAUGHTER

-No, I...

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You know something I don't know?

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I mean it as a compliment, of course, to win an Oscar for it.

0:20:500:20:54

But was there a great deal of yourself in that?

0:20:540:20:57

Actually, at the beginning, very little,

0:20:570:20:59

because I was pretty much over my head.

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As a matter of fact, on the second day of shooting,

0:21:020:21:05

I'd asked the director to replace me

0:21:050:21:07

because I just didn't feel I could do it.

0:21:070:21:09

I was popping these guys in the mouth, and playing this tough guy.

0:21:090:21:14

And it was real tough. I had never played a role quite that demanding.

0:21:140:21:19

And after a while, you punch somebody long enough,

0:21:190:21:22

-you get kind of used to it, you know.

-You quite enjoy it.

0:21:220:21:26

So, I kind of came around a bit.

0:21:260:21:28

You're one of the few people who started as a character actor,

0:21:280:21:31

and then went to stardom as a star role.

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Everyone remembers The Poseidon Adventure,

0:21:340:21:37

you were playing a heroic role,

0:21:370:21:38

but you haven't had too many of those subsequently.

0:21:380:21:41

Did they decide that you weren't really cut out for heroism,

0:21:410:21:44

-or did you decide?

-I don't know.

0:21:440:21:46

I'm always attracted to parts that extend me, that make me stretch.

0:21:460:21:53

And I don't know that there's anyone who decided that.

0:21:530:21:56

I suppose you do what you can do,

0:21:560:21:58

you're cast pretty much close to type in films.

0:21:580:22:02

-Do you do it for the art or for the money?

-Absolutely art.

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The money comes secondary.

0:22:060:22:08

It's funny that, after Superman, the first Superman,

0:22:080:22:11

and I was paid quite well for that,

0:22:110:22:14

and I didn't really like my work in it, after the film was over,

0:22:140:22:17

and I decided to stop and I did quit for two years

0:22:170:22:22

and then, when I wanted to come back to work,

0:22:220:22:24

it took a long time to get a job.

0:22:240:22:26

But I've decided since then that one can do those things where

0:22:260:22:30

you're paid the money... obviously in a big budget film,

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and you're paid to bring a kind of a life to it.

0:22:340:22:38

And it's kind of fun, it really is.

0:22:380:22:40

One gets used to that bigger-than-life attitude

0:22:400:22:46

about that kind of role in Superman, I really enjoy it.

0:22:460:22:51

The great Gene Hackman there.

0:22:510:22:52

Now, a four-time Oscar winner, the composer Henry Mancini,

0:22:520:22:56

with a marvellous musical medley that includes a burst of

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one of the best loved, most iconic songs

0:23:000:23:02

ever to grace a movie soundtrack.

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APPLAUSE

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MUSIC: "Moon River"

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APPLAUSE

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Moon River, of course, from Breakfast At Tiffany's.

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And the star of that classic film, Audrey Hepburn.

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Here she is. Was ever a star more admired for her beauty,

0:26:550:26:59

more beloved?

0:26:590:27:00

She begins by talking about the very early days of her career.

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I got a job in a musical, and that started a career of musicals...

0:27:050:27:09

-As an actress.

-..and cabaret. No, dancing, I was still dancing then.

0:27:090:27:13

And then I got a little part in a movie in Elstree,

0:27:130:27:19

-and Ealing, and so forth.

-Was that Laughter In Paradise?

0:27:190:27:22

-Laughter In Paradise with Alistair Sim.

-I think we have a picture of it.

0:27:220:27:26

-Gosh.

-AUDREY LAUGHS

0:27:260:27:28

-What a very fetching little bow.

-How about the bow on my hair?

0:27:280:27:32

-Wonderful. Do you remember the lines you had to say?

-No, I don't.

0:27:320:27:36

It was only one line, too.

0:27:360:27:37

It was something, "Do you want a ciggie?" Something like that.

0:27:370:27:41

And then you went from strength to strength

0:27:410:27:45

and your career began to burgeon

0:27:450:27:46

and you made Roman Holiday with Gregory Peck.

0:27:460:27:51

Gregory Peck, and directed by the great William Wyler.

0:27:510:27:55

I think we also have a little excerpt from that

0:27:550:27:58

to jog your memory.

0:27:580:28:00

The mouth of truth.

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Legend is that if you're given to lying and put your hand in there,

0:28:020:28:06

it will be bitten off.

0:28:060:28:08

Oh, what a horrid idea.

0:28:080:28:10

Let's see you do it.

0:28:100:28:12

SHE LAUGHS NERVOUSLY Let's see you do it.

0:28:350:28:37

Sure.

0:28:410:28:42

HE SCREAMS SUDDENLY

0:28:550:28:57

SHE CRIES OUT

0:28:570:28:58

SHE SHRIEKS

0:28:580:29:00

Hello!

0:29:000:29:02

You beast!

0:29:020:29:04

APPLAUSE

0:29:060:29:08

Don't make them like that any more, as they say in the cliche.

0:29:140:29:17

You looking so beautiful

0:29:170:29:18

and Gregory Peck looking so extraordinarily handsome.

0:29:180:29:21

Is there a bit of a story attaching to that?

0:29:210:29:23

The hand and that? Were you expecting that to happen?

0:29:230:29:25

No, but I must say that, you know, even tourists today,

0:29:250:29:29

they don't really want to put their hand in there.

0:29:290:29:32

I mean, it's a real tourist site, where everybody goes to.

0:29:320:29:36

But, er...when we rehearsed it, I didn't know what he was going to do.

0:29:360:29:42

And he didn't do it at the rehearsal.

0:29:420:29:44

But he did it in the shot,

0:29:440:29:45

-this terrible thing with the sleeve.

-LAUGHTER

0:29:450:29:48

-And you were...

-It's one of those tricks that was played on me.

0:29:480:29:51

You were a... I'm sure they did it

0:29:510:29:52

because you were still an inexperienced actress at the time.

0:29:520:29:55

I still am!

0:29:550:29:56

No. Well, no, I wouldn't say that.

0:29:560:29:58

Was William Wyler very important to you? Did you learn a lot from him?

0:29:580:30:02

I would say almost everything.

0:30:040:30:06

Because, as I said, I was a dancer

0:30:060:30:08

and all of a sudden now I had to act,

0:30:080:30:11

which I'd never really done before. I'd done a play,

0:30:110:30:14

but I'd never been in front of a camera. But then I also...

0:30:140:30:19

I was sort of joyfully innocent.

0:30:190:30:21

You know, I'm much more worried today about coming here...

0:30:210:30:24

No!

0:30:240:30:26

..than I was then, because somehow Greg and Willy just made me feel,

0:30:260:30:31

you know, very good and were so helpful and so kind.

0:30:310:30:35

But he was a very exacting director, although I never realised it.

0:30:350:30:39

Did he...? Somebody said he taught you how to cry.

0:30:400:30:44

Well, no. I know why you ask me that.

0:30:440:30:46

One of the last scenes in the picture,

0:30:460:30:48

when I say goodbye to Greg after this wonderful time we've had...

0:30:480:30:52

And we're sitting in this tiny, little car,

0:30:520:30:54

and he takes me back to the embassy where I'm staying, and, erm...

0:30:540:30:57

Obviously, we're saying goodbye and I'm supposed to burst into tears.

0:30:590:31:03

And although I was terribly sad, the tears weren't coming.

0:31:030:31:06

I didn't know how to just sort of fake it, or anything like that,

0:31:060:31:09

and Willy, who was a dear man,

0:31:090:31:11

had always been terribly gentle with me and very kind, after...

0:31:110:31:15

..I won't say a few hours,

0:31:160:31:17

but, I mean, quite a long time that the tears were not forthcoming,

0:31:170:31:22

and he suddenly came up to me

0:31:220:31:25

and started screaming at me and saying, "What is this?"

0:31:250:31:27

And, "Who the hell do you think you are?"

0:31:270:31:29

And, "We're not going to stay here all night!"

0:31:290:31:32

And I was so upset with him talking to me that way that

0:31:320:31:34

I burst into tears and they shot the scene and that's what you've got.

0:31:340:31:37

-LAUGHTER

-He had all kind of ways.

0:31:370:31:39

-Bit of a cheat, that, isn't it?

-All kinds of ways of making you act.

0:31:390:31:43

You were often transformed in movies,

0:31:430:31:45

-like in Funny Face or My Fair Lady, from the gauche to the grand.

-Yes.

0:31:450:31:50

-Cinderella.

-Yeah. Which did you feel nearer to?

0:31:500:31:55

Or do you fall somewhere in between?

0:31:550:31:57

Oh, I was somewhere in between, I guess, but much more the gauche.

0:31:570:32:00

I still have problems with that.

0:32:000:32:03

-People think of you as extremely sophisticated and...

-Well.

0:32:030:32:06

-Very self-possessed.

-That's in the beholder's eye.

0:32:060:32:09

-But I don't feel...

-Do you see yourself as very shy, withdrawn?

0:32:090:32:14

-No, I don't...

-Unable to cope?

-..have that much of a problem,

0:32:140:32:17

but I don't see myself, you know, I don't look at myself,

0:32:170:32:19

I don't think of myself as anything much.

0:32:190:32:21

Once I'm home, it's just me

0:32:210:32:23

and my life, you know.

0:32:230:32:25

My Fair Lady was a great challenge for you.

0:32:250:32:28

Yes, it was, and it was such a lovely part.

0:32:280:32:30

Oh, of course, but which was the most difficult for you,

0:32:300:32:33

the posh accent that Higgins transformed you into,

0:32:330:32:37

or the cockney?

0:32:370:32:39

Well, the cockney was a problem to a degree,

0:32:390:32:41

because it had to be cockney and yet it couldn't be totally cockney

0:32:410:32:45

because nobody would have understood a word I said.

0:32:450:32:47

Because real cockney's hard to follow

0:32:470:32:48

if you're not very familiar with it.

0:32:480:32:50

So it had to be somewhere in between.

0:32:500:32:53

You know? But it was but it was a wonderful experience.

0:32:530:32:56

Yeah. It was a wonderful film.

0:32:560:32:58

Marvellous music and terrific performances.

0:32:580:33:01

We've got a little reminisce of that as well.

0:33:010:33:04

This will bring you back a bit.

0:33:040:33:06

HOOF BEATS

0:33:080:33:10

Come on. Come on, Dover.

0:33:100:33:12

Come on. Come on, Dover!

0:33:120:33:15

Come on.

0:33:150:33:16

Come on, Dover!

0:33:200:33:22

Move your bloomin' arse!

0:33:220:33:24

LAUGHTER

0:33:240:33:27

APPLAUSE

0:33:270:33:30

Oh, my dear.

0:33:300:33:31

-Still works, doesn't it?

-Yes, it does. The audience...

0:33:370:33:39

That's the part the audience love best.

0:33:390:33:41

So, there we got Audrey Hepburn's take on that famous scene

0:33:430:33:48

from Roman Holiday, but there are two sides to every story

0:33:480:33:50

as you know, so let's get the great Gregory Peck's version as well.

0:33:500:33:54

So we were going to play that little scene

0:33:560:33:58

and I said to Willy Wyler, the director,

0:33:580:34:02

on the side, I said, "You know the old shtick...

0:34:020:34:07

"that Red Skelton used to do all the time?"

0:34:070:34:10

And I think the Crazy Gang used to do it.

0:34:100:34:13

"What if I put my hand in the stone statue

0:34:130:34:16

"and what if I bring it out like that,

0:34:160:34:17

"and we don't tell Audrey?"

0:34:170:34:19

He said, "It's corny, but go ahead and do it."

0:34:190:34:22

LAUGHTER So we didn't tell Audrey.

0:34:220:34:25

I did it, and... And I screamed. And she just went out of her mind.

0:34:250:34:31

You insisted that Audrey Hepburn,

0:34:320:34:34

although she was merely a young ingenue at that time,

0:34:340:34:37

you insisted that she be given extra billing with you in that film.

0:34:370:34:41

I did. But you know, it wasn't all that altruistic. I...

0:34:410:34:45

We could see from the very first day

0:34:450:34:47

that Audrey was born to play this role.

0:34:470:34:50

She was the princess from day one,

0:34:500:34:53

and after a week or so... And I had sole star billing.

0:34:530:34:59

Gregory Peck in Roman Holiday.

0:35:000:35:03

And as I thought about it and I watched this marvel of a girl

0:35:030:35:07

give this lovely performance, I thought...

0:35:070:35:10

"Now, Greg, you're just going to look like a damn fool

0:35:100:35:15

"if your name is up there on top all by yourself."

0:35:150:35:18

So I called my agent in Hollywood and I said,

0:35:200:35:23

"You've got to speak to Paramount and it has to be co-star billing."

0:35:230:35:28

He said, "You can't do that.

0:35:280:35:30

"You can't give up this prerogative that you've earned."

0:35:300:35:33

I said, "Yes, I can and I will.

0:35:330:35:36

"And believe me, it's the right thing to do."

0:35:360:35:39

And it was, because when the picture came out...

0:35:390:35:43

..people just went wild about Audrey

0:35:450:35:47

and all the little girls in Japan cut their hair short.

0:35:470:35:51

And it was a worldwide hit and...

0:35:510:35:53

-Nobody noticed you at all?

-Hmm? LAUGHTER

0:35:530:35:56

Just barely!

0:35:560:35:57

Yeah, well, I was in there too.

0:35:590:36:01

It was a nice picture and I admit

0:36:010:36:03

it's a very happy memory that we have

0:36:030:36:06

of six months in Rome making that film.

0:36:060:36:09

Did you grow up with acting ambitions?

0:36:090:36:11

-Oh, not at all, no.

-How did you start?

0:36:120:36:15

Well...

0:36:150:36:17

I graduated from college and I went...

0:36:170:36:21

I was... I was...

0:36:210:36:23

Fell in love with the thing, the theatre, when I was in college.

0:36:240:36:29

And I thought, "Well, I'll go to New York and I'll see what I can do.

0:36:290:36:34

"I'll give it a try for a few years."

0:36:340:36:36

So I went to drama school and at the end of two years,

0:36:360:36:40

they had what they called a demonstration play.

0:36:400:36:44

And agents and talent scouts came...

0:36:440:36:47

..to have a look and to see us do our stuff.

0:36:490:36:51

And then it was the custom for the students

0:36:510:36:53

to go back to the school the next morning

0:36:530:36:56

and, er, wait for the phone calls

0:36:560:36:59

that sometimes came, sometimes didn't.

0:36:590:37:01

There was a call,

0:37:010:37:03

and the receptionist put her hand over the phone

0:37:030:37:06

and she looked at me and she said, "It's for you."

0:37:060:37:08

And it was a famous producer named Guthrie McClintic,

0:37:080:37:12

interested to see me about a small role in a play called

0:37:120:37:16

The Doctor's Dilemma by Shaw.

0:37:160:37:17

Well, I didn't wait for the end of the sentence. I took off.

0:37:190:37:22

I knew exactly where his office was, it was six blocks away.

0:37:220:37:26

And for your viewers who don't know Manhattan geography,

0:37:260:37:31

I dashed across 46th Street, four blocks up 6th Avenue,

0:37:310:37:35

to the building where Guthrie McClintic's office was.

0:37:350:37:38

Into the elevator, up to the eighth floor,

0:37:380:37:40

skidded down the hall into his office.

0:37:400:37:42

He's still talking on the phone to the receptionist.

0:37:420:37:45

LAUGHTER

0:37:450:37:47

And he just... He stared at me.

0:37:480:37:50

And there I was, the fellow he...

0:37:510:37:53

And he began to laugh and then that segued into a cough

0:37:530:38:00

and he went into a kind of a fit

0:38:000:38:03

and slid off of the seat, laughing, coughing

0:38:030:38:07

and he said, "You've got the job."

0:38:070:38:10

LAUGHTER

0:38:100:38:12

So that was the beginning.

0:38:120:38:14

It had nothing to do with anything except

0:38:140:38:16

that I was a pretty fast runner in those days.

0:38:160:38:19

The American Film Institute

0:38:200:38:22

made a presentation of the Life Achievement Award.

0:38:220:38:25

You know, the Life Achievement Award has,

0:38:250:38:28

if you think about it, a slightly ominous ring to it.

0:38:280:38:31

And I remember I got up there and I said...

0:38:330:38:37

You know, James Mason was a friend of mine and I said,

0:38:370:38:40

"James was not a man of a lot of jokes,

0:38:400:38:43

"but he had one joke that he liked to tell."

0:38:430:38:45

Had to do with his filming in Dublin,

0:38:450:38:47

going out one evening for a walk and window shopping.

0:38:470:38:50

And he had a trench coat and a hat,

0:38:500:38:53

didn't think he'd be recognised.

0:38:530:38:55

And, er, a little lady trailed along behind him,

0:38:550:38:58

and finally worked up the nerve,

0:38:580:38:59

and she tapped him on the should and she said...

0:38:590:39:02

IRISH ACCENT: "Begging your pardon, sir.

0:39:020:39:04

"But wouldn't you be James Mason in his later years?"

0:39:040:39:07

LAUGHTER

0:39:070:39:09

And I liked... I liked that good Irish phrase, "later years".

0:39:130:39:18

I like it because it's candid and it's dispassionate,

0:39:180:39:22

but it's comfortable.

0:39:220:39:24

Because it leaves the possibility of more to come.

0:39:240:39:28

Finally, another Oscar-winning legend

0:39:300:39:33

and a moment I'll certainly never forget.

0:39:330:39:36

James Stewart, so many people's favourite actor,

0:39:360:39:40

came on the show in 1988.

0:39:400:39:42

And as you'd expect, he charmed and delighted everybody,

0:39:420:39:46

and then left everyone else welling up with a poem he'd written

0:39:460:39:50

for his much-loved, recently deceased pet dog.

0:39:500:39:54

He never came to me when I would call

0:39:560:39:58

Unless I had a tennis ball

0:39:580:40:01

Or he felt like it

0:40:010:40:03

But mostly, he didn't come at all

0:40:030:40:06

When he was young

0:40:060:40:08

He never learned to heel or sit or stay

0:40:080:40:11

He did things his way

0:40:110:40:13

Discipline was not his bag

0:40:130:40:15

But when you were with him things sure didn't drag

0:40:150:40:18

He'd dig up a rose bush just to spite me

0:40:180:40:21

And when I'd grab him

0:40:210:40:23

He'd turn and bite me

0:40:230:40:24

He bit lots of folks from day to day

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The delivery boy was his favourite prey

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He gas man would read our meter

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He said we owned a real man-eater

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He set the house on fire

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But the story's too long to tell

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But suffice to say, that he survived

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And the house survived as well

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And on evening walks

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When Mom took him

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He was always first out the door

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The old one and I brought up the rear

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Because our bones were sore

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And he'd charge up the street

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With Mom hanging on

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What a beautiful sight they were

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And if it was still light

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And the tourists were out

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They created a bit of a stir

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But every once in a while

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He'd stop in his track

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And with a frown on his face turn around

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Just to make sure that the old one was there

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To follow him where he was bound

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We're early-to-bedders in our house

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I guess I'm the first to retire

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As I leave the room

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He'd look up at me

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And get up from his place by the fire

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He knew where the tennis balls were upstairs

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And I'd give him one for a while

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And he'd shove it under the bed with his nose

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And I'd dig it out with a smile

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But before very long

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He'd tyre of the ball

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And be asleep in his corner

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In no time at all

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And there were nights

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When I'd feel him climb up on our bed,

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And lie between us

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And I'd pat his head

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And there were nights

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When I'd feel this stare

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And I'd wake up

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And he'd be sitting there

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And I'd reach out my hand to stroke his hair

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And sometimes I'd feel him sigh

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And I think, I know the reason why

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He'd wake up and night

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And he would have this fear

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Of the dark, of life

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Of lots of things

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And he'd be glad to have me near

0:42:320:42:35

And now he's dead

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And...there are nights...

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When I think I feel him

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Climb up on our bed

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And lie between us

0:42:490:42:51

And I pat his head

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And there are nights

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When I think I feel that stare

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And I reach out my hand

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To stroke his hair

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But he's not there

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Oh, how I wish that wasn't so

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I'll always love a dog named Beau.

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Ah, gets you every time, doesn't it?

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There's no way to top that, so we'll call a close on the proceedings.

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But do join me again

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for more Wogan Best Bits next time. Till then...

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