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'It was a show that went out three nights a week...live...' | 0:00:01 | 0:00:03 | |
Mr Wogan, you're on. | 0:00:03 | 0:00:05 | |
'..with a live audience, and everyone who was anyone dropping in. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:09 | |
'The great and the good, the bad and the ugly. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
'They called it Wogan. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:14 | |
'I never knew why. So, | 0:00:14 | 0:00:15 | |
'if you're sitting comfortably, | 0:00:15 | 0:00:17 | |
'I'll show you something I made earlier.' | 0:00:17 | 0:00:20 | |
God knows what they will make of us in 25 years' time. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:23 | |
THEME MUSIC PLAYS | 0:00:23 | 0:00:25 | |
Welcome to a show which is peopled by a very select group indeed, | 0:00:35 | 0:00:39 | |
which probably lets me out. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
Oscar winners, the creme de la creme of the acting world, | 0:00:42 | 0:00:45 | |
the proud owners of the top trophy in Tinseltown - I have all | 0:00:45 | 0:00:48 | |
the phrases, you know, | 0:00:48 | 0:00:49 | |
which today means Audrey Hepburn, | 0:00:49 | 0:00:51 | |
Anne Bancroft, | 0:00:51 | 0:00:52 | |
Gregory Peck, | 0:00:52 | 0:00:54 | |
Gene Hackman, Sher and James Stewart. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
But our first Oscar winner is one of cinema's | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
great creative funnymen, Mel Brooks. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
He picked up the Best Screenplay Academy Award | 0:01:02 | 0:01:06 | |
for The Producers and when he came on my show | 0:01:06 | 0:01:08 | |
he was quick to criticise how was it produced. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
The nerve of the man! | 0:01:11 | 0:01:14 | |
-You are known as the master of bad taste. -Yes, I am. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:19 | |
Is this justified or are you sorry now? | 0:01:19 | 0:01:23 | |
No, no, it's justified. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
I am known for my exquisitely bad taste. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:31 | |
In America, people say, "Mr Brooks, | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
"you are in bad taste." I say, "Up yours." | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
That's how we talk. It isn't nice but... | 0:01:38 | 0:01:41 | |
The entertainer, eh? | 0:01:41 | 0:01:43 | |
You know, I've been watching this show from the wings. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
I'm not going to criticise it, I love it. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:47 | |
The cameras seem to have some problems knowing | 0:01:50 | 0:01:53 | |
when you are going to speak and when your guest is going to speak. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:58 | |
So, it occurred to me, to warn them | 0:01:58 | 0:02:00 | |
so that they don't come in on a second syllable or a second word, | 0:02:00 | 0:02:05 | |
if you say "ba-ba" and then talk, on the "ba-ba", they will cut to you. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:09 | |
If I'm going to talk, I will say "ba-ba", | 0:02:09 | 0:02:13 | |
and they'll cut to me. Now, it may sound | 0:02:13 | 0:02:15 | |
like some African language but | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
the cameras will get it right, | 0:02:17 | 0:02:19 | |
even if the audience gets it a little mish-mushed. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
It sounds very... | 0:02:22 | 0:02:24 | |
Of course that's why you're a director and producer | 0:02:24 | 0:02:27 | |
and I'm just a common or garden... | 0:02:27 | 0:02:29 | |
Ba-ba! I'll tell you, Terry... | 0:02:29 | 0:02:32 | |
LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
Ba-ba! I hadn't finished. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:42 | |
I like that. I didn't "ba-ba", get the hell off me. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:51 | |
Wait for the "ba-ba". | 0:02:51 | 0:02:53 | |
Now that you've become a Hollywood mogul yourself | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
with the Brooks films, has it changed you a lot? | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
You were an innocent, open-faced Jewish boy writing comedy, | 0:03:00 | 0:03:05 | |
now you're a mogul and it's different, isn't it? | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
I'm a mogul, it's different, yes. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:10 | |
I used to be innocent... | 0:03:10 | 0:03:13 | |
I am mogul, it's different... Fire them | 0:03:13 | 0:03:17 | |
and hire them, and hire them and fire them. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
Hire and fire, fire and hire. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
Show me a nice... | 0:03:23 | 0:03:25 | |
But I used to be innocent and wonderful and intransigent... | 0:03:25 | 0:03:31 | |
The last bit was more like you. That's more like you there. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
-That's you. -Yes, this is close. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:36 | |
Dr Jekyll and Mr Goldman, right? Have I got it? Yes, very. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:41 | |
I don't know. To tell you the truth, I miss the innocent lad that I was. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:48 | |
Where does the director in you come into it? | 0:03:48 | 0:03:50 | |
Do you like bossing people around and telling them what to do? | 0:03:50 | 0:03:54 | |
Well, to be perfectly honest, yes. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:56 | |
-There is no fooling you. -I knew you were power-crazed... | 0:03:56 | 0:03:59 | |
You're too darn bright. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:01 | |
-..the minute you walked in. Yeah. -Yeah. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
In the dressing room when they were making me up I said, | 0:04:04 | 0:04:07 | |
"Why the hell did Parkinson leave? | 0:04:07 | 0:04:09 | |
"I've got to work with this stupid Irishman," but... | 0:04:09 | 0:04:13 | |
I said that in the dressing room as well. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
-But then I thought on it, I thought hard on it. -Steady. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:23 | |
Two points. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:26 | |
What I came up with was, I love your vocal ping-pong, | 0:04:27 | 0:04:31 | |
I love your alacrity and quickness of mind, | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
I love your wit and I love that most of you hair is your own. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
Yes! Most, yes. Success, however, has not unspoiled you. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:44 | |
I'm not crazy about your tie, I can tell you. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
-I shouldn't say that on the air. -Well, you're a guest. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
Yes, it's true. Solid ties have been in for six years now, you know that? | 0:04:52 | 0:04:57 | |
-And out again. -And out again. | 0:04:57 | 0:04:59 | |
-We're wearing something different in Britain, you know. -Underneath? | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
-All over. -All over, yes. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
-I understand you are bit of a wine snob. -No, no. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:09 | |
Come on, you bring your own bottle of wine to dinner. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
Yes, I drank some of the swill you had in the dressing room. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:16 | |
-What's this about bringing your own bottle to dinner? -I do. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
I bring my own bottle to dinner. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:21 | |
-Does this not offend your host or hostess? -Who gives a...? | 0:05:21 | 0:05:25 | |
Who cares? Rather. Do you know what Jewish foreplay is? | 0:05:26 | 0:05:31 | |
-Let me tell you what Jewish foreplay is. May I? -please. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
20 minutes of begging. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:39 | |
LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
Terry, you are a saucy devil. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:52 | |
I watched your interview with Bob Fosse, | 0:05:52 | 0:05:54 | |
who was good. You were wonderful. But you did ask questions that | 0:05:54 | 0:05:58 | |
were really unseemly. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
-Saucy? -Yes, saucy. You said... -You're a fine one to talk. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:05 | |
Well! I'm vulgar, so I can say anything. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
But you said, "Is there still a casting couch? | 0:06:08 | 0:06:12 | |
"Is it still a practice?" | 0:06:12 | 0:06:14 | |
I was going to ask you that. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:16 | |
-Then you said, "Do YOU use?" What could he say? -Yes. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:20 | |
Well, even if he did, would he admit it? | 0:06:20 | 0:06:24 | |
-He nearly did. -He nearly did. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:26 | |
-What about you? -I admit it. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:30 | |
I admit it. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:33 | |
Look, you don't need a casting couch. With your attraction, | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
you could've got the girls without it. Why use it? | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
You will pay for that. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:41 | |
That hasn't gone unnoticed. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:45 | |
I like you, swear to God. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:47 | |
Yet, you married an Italian. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
Wogan, there is little green thing on this side of your nose. Get it... | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
It's gone now. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:01 | |
Don't try and evade the issue. Ba-ba! | 0:07:02 | 0:07:06 | |
-And yet you married an Italian? -Yes. I did. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
Well, she's an American, born in the United States of America, | 0:07:09 | 0:07:13 | |
of Italian ancestry, Italian parentage. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
-That's easy for you to say. -Yes. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:18 | |
Her mother and father were born in the US, | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
but her grandparents were from good old Italy. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
-Is she taller than you? -Ba-ba. yes. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:28 | |
When she wears her spiked Cuban heels, | 0:07:29 | 0:07:32 | |
which I demand that she wear on Sunday nights. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
We can drive the audience insane with this kind of talk. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
All she wears is spiked Cuban heels, | 0:07:39 | 0:07:43 | |
-a large feather... -Oh! | 0:07:43 | 0:07:45 | |
..and an Indian bathrobe. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:47 | |
-Ah! -No, my wife is actually a very conservative lady. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:51 | |
She is a dramatic actress and she adores me because I'm the other | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
side of her life. I am merriment, | 0:07:54 | 0:07:56 | |
I'm fun, I'm silly. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:57 | |
When are we going to see that side of you? | 0:07:57 | 0:08:00 | |
You've actually worked together. Is this the first time you've worked | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
-together in your new movie? -I don't like it when you really funny. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
When you're nearly funny, I like. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
Then the audience at home says, "The Irishman thinks he's funny. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:22 | |
"The Jewish... He's the one, he's funny. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
"But the other one thinks he's funny. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
"He's really funny. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:31 | |
"The Irishman is nearly funny. But the Jew, he's hysterical." | 0:08:31 | 0:08:36 | |
But sometimes you're really funny and it's very disappointing... | 0:08:36 | 0:08:40 | |
It takes the heart out of one, I'll tell you the truth. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
Ba-ba. I'm sorry. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
Now, you heard Mel Brooks and I discussing his wife, | 0:08:50 | 0:08:53 | |
the Oscar-winning actress Anne Bancroft. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:57 | |
Could a couple be more different? | 0:08:57 | 0:08:59 | |
Whereas Mel talked nineteen to the dozen, | 0:08:59 | 0:09:01 | |
Anne made for one of my toughest encounters. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:04 | |
Couldn't get a word out of her. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
She was promoting the film, 84 Charing Cross Road, | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
joining Ben Elton, unfortunately for him, on the Wogan sofa. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:13 | |
But she only realised the show was live once it started | 0:09:13 | 0:09:17 | |
and became as nervous as Dustin Hoffman | 0:09:17 | 0:09:19 | |
in The Graduate seduction scene. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:09:22 | 0:09:24 | |
SHE MOUTHS | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
I caught you counting there. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:33 | |
Four, five, six, seven, eight, nine. Hold it a second. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
-Hello. -This is Ben. -Nice to meet you. -Ben Elton. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
-Nice to meet you. -Welcome. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:40 | |
-Is it Benjamin? -It is Benjamin, yes, indeed. But to my friends... | 0:09:40 | 0:09:44 | |
-I once knew a Benjamin. -You did. -You know another one. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:46 | |
In The Graduate, Benjamin. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:48 | |
-That's right. -Yes. -I didn't think you'd get that one. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:50 | |
Why, do I appear slow? | 0:09:50 | 0:09:54 | |
-Have I been slow all evening? -No, I've only just met you. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:09:57 | 0:09:59 | |
I had the pleasure of interviewing your husband, Mel Brooks, | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
about four years ago. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:03 | |
-And he told me that I had to talk to you. -Why? | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
Because he said you do most of the stuff for him, | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
you write most of the gags and all that. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:11 | |
-He said you're his inspiration. -Oh, that's not true. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
-Is he your inspiration? -No. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:16 | |
-Is he a help to you? -LAUGHTER | 0:10:16 | 0:10:19 | |
-You don't inspire each other at all? -No. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:21 | |
-We barely see each other, to tell you the truth. -Really? -Yes. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:25 | |
-That's not good, is it? -Well, it is. At times, it's good. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:30 | |
Now, you haven't, in fact... In 84 Charing Cross Road... | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
You're a very smart man. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:35 | |
..you swap letters with old Anthony Hopkins, | 0:10:35 | 0:10:38 | |
and you haven't met him either, have you? You acted separately. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:40 | |
You acted apart from each other. That can't have been easy. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
-He's acting here, and you're acting in America. -Yes, right. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:47 | |
So how do you do that? | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
What do you mean, how? He acts here, and I act there. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
But surely if you're acting with somebody, | 0:10:52 | 0:10:54 | |
-you want them to respond to you, don't you? -Oh, well, yes. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
I had a little thing in my ear, and he spoke through that. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
I had recordings of him in my ear. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:02 | |
Stanislavski, that's real motivation, isn't it? In your ear. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:08 | |
It must be difficult to generate a character when you're, you know... | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
-Well, most of my character... -Like an interview, really. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
-I tell you, it's a lot easier than this. -You don't find this easy? | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
No, I don't find this easy at all. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
-It's your job, Terry. -The character's based on the letters... | 0:11:20 | 0:11:23 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:11:23 | 0:11:24 | |
Sorry, I... | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
-Carry on, the character and the letters. -Um. What was I saying? | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
The character is based on the letters. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:32 | |
The character is based on the letters. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:34 | |
-So I have the letters in my ear, so I... -Yeah. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:38 | |
You do a lot of addressing, perhaps not a lot, | 0:11:38 | 0:11:40 | |
-but you do address the camera sometimes in the movie. -We do. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:44 | |
-Did you find that difficult to do? -I did, that was really... | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
That is difficult. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:49 | |
Do you have to evolve a different technique for that, | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
or work yourself up to a frenzy before you can do it? | 0:11:52 | 0:11:56 | |
Do you convince yourself when you're doing it? | 0:11:56 | 0:11:58 | |
Did you convince yourself when you watched the movie? | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
Did you think that worked? | 0:12:01 | 0:12:02 | |
Do you know, I haven't really seen the whole movie all the way through | 0:12:02 | 0:12:05 | |
So I don't know. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:07 | |
-Did you read the book? -That I did. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:10 | |
And didn't Mel Brooks give you the book as a birthday present, | 0:12:10 | 0:12:14 | |
-or an anniversary present? -Oh, no, that's a pack of lies. -Is it? | 0:12:14 | 0:12:17 | |
Yes, a pack of lies. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:19 | |
I'm glad we didn't have that in the research(!) | 0:12:19 | 0:12:21 | |
-So it's a tissue of lies? -Yes. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
You were saying you find this kind of thing horrific? | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
-This kind of thing? -Not the film, the interview. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:29 | |
-No, the film was great. -The film was easy. This is hard. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:31 | |
-Why do you hate this kind of thing so much? Is it me? -Probably. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:36 | |
It's probably me, is it? | 0:12:36 | 0:12:38 | |
-It's not the dried flowers, you don't think? -That too. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:42 | |
-TERRY LAUGHS -Do you do any of this in America? | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
-Do you ever do a talk show? -No. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:46 | |
-Are you glad you did this one? -No. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:49 | |
Some things are sent to try us. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:53 | |
I need music to smooth my ruffled brow after watching that. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:57 | |
Now, here's someone who bites lumps out of songs. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:01 | |
The mellow bellow of Cher. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
APPLAUSE AND CHEERING | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
MUSICAL INTRODUCTION | 0:13:07 | 0:13:09 | |
# Don't you know | 0:13:14 | 0:13:19 | |
# So many things they come and go? | 0:13:19 | 0:13:23 | |
# Like your words that once rang true | 0:13:23 | 0:13:28 | |
# Just like the love I thought I found in you | 0:13:28 | 0:13:32 | |
# And I remember the thunder | 0:13:32 | 0:13:36 | |
# Talking 'bout the fire in your eyes | 0:13:36 | 0:13:41 | |
# But you walked away when I needed you most | 0:13:41 | 0:13:46 | |
# Now, maybe, baby, maybe, baby | 0:13:46 | 0:13:51 | |
# I found someone | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
# To take away the heartache | 0:13:54 | 0:13:59 | |
# To take away the loneliness | 0:13:59 | 0:14:03 | |
# I've been feeling since you've been gone | 0:14:03 | 0:14:09 | |
# Since you've been gone | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
# Dry your eyes | 0:14:15 | 0:14:20 | |
# I never could bear to see you cry | 0:14:20 | 0:14:24 | |
# Some day your love will shine through | 0:14:24 | 0:14:28 | |
# And show you the feelings if you never really knew | 0:14:28 | 0:14:33 | |
# Baby, don't you lose that thunder | 0:14:33 | 0:14:37 | |
# Talking 'bout the fire in your eyes | 0:14:37 | 0:14:42 | |
# You're looking at me | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
# But you still don't believe | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
# That maybe, baby, maybe, baby | 0:14:48 | 0:14:52 | |
# I found someone | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
# To take away the heartache | 0:14:55 | 0:15:00 | |
# To take away the loneliness | 0:15:00 | 0:15:05 | |
# I've been feeling since you've been gone | 0:15:05 | 0:15:10 | |
# Since you've been gone | 0:15:10 | 0:15:14 | |
# Too long on the borderline | 0:15:26 | 0:15:31 | |
# Wondering if your love was really mine | 0:15:31 | 0:15:35 | |
# But you left me with open eyes | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
# And when I realised | 0:15:39 | 0:15:44 | |
# Baby, I found someone | 0:15:44 | 0:15:49 | |
# To take away the heartache | 0:15:49 | 0:15:54 | |
# To take away the loneliness | 0:15:54 | 0:15:58 | |
# I've been feeling since you've been gone | 0:15:58 | 0:16:04 | |
# Baby, I found someone | 0:16:04 | 0:16:08 | |
# To take away the heartache | 0:16:08 | 0:16:13 | |
# To take away the loneliness | 0:16:13 | 0:16:17 | |
# I've been feeling since you've been gone | 0:16:17 | 0:16:22 | |
# Since you've been gone. # | 0:16:22 | 0:16:28 | |
APPLAUSE AND CHEERING | 0:16:34 | 0:16:36 | |
Cher, who won a Best Actress Oscar in 1988 for the film Moonstruck. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:45 | |
Now, we've got Gene Hackman, | 0:16:45 | 0:16:47 | |
a man not known for making many television appearances, | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
and one of the cinema's best and most enduring actors. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:53 | |
He came by for a chat while over here filming Superman II, | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
in which he played the hero's evil arch nemesis. | 0:16:56 | 0:17:01 | |
How about playing Lex Luthor in Superman, | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
did you enjoy playing the baddie? | 0:17:03 | 0:17:05 | |
It's great fun. I must say, it's like a licence to steal. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
Almost anything you do is going to be OK, | 0:17:08 | 0:17:11 | |
because he's a flamboyant character, and deranged, | 0:17:11 | 0:17:13 | |
all the things that actors love to play. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
-It's the best part in the movie, really. -I think so. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
I wouldn't play Superman for anything. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:21 | |
You don't envy Christopher getting into the cape? | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
-He uses my body, of course! -Of course. -That's public knowledge. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:28 | |
But I wouldn't want to play the part. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
Is your body your greatest asset | 0:17:31 | 0:17:33 | |
-when it comes to acting? -Yes, that and my face. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:35 | |
GENTLE LAUGHTER | 0:17:35 | 0:17:37 | |
There's not much wrong with your face. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:38 | |
Do you enjoy doing comedy parts? | 0:17:38 | 0:17:40 | |
As you say, because of your face and physique, | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
you tend to play the heavy a lot. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:45 | |
Yes. Actually, I started in the theatre, on Broadway, | 0:17:45 | 0:17:49 | |
in seven Broadway plays, all of them comedies. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:54 | |
Light comedies, very light. They wouldn't allow them these days. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
They would be something you'd see on television. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
But my background was in improvisation and comedy. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:05 | |
What I think is really encouraging about your career, | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
particularly for those people who see young people coming up | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
and being stars very quickly - "Oh, when did you start acting?" | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
"When I was 15 and a half." | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
-You didn't actually start until you were 30. -Yes. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:18 | |
I think it's great that you've reached stardom | 0:18:18 | 0:18:21 | |
and you're still a man of 40 or so... | 0:18:21 | 0:18:25 | |
40 is right(!) | 0:18:25 | 0:18:27 | |
I've done 50 films in ten years, amazing! | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:18:30 | 0:18:31 | |
It hasn't been easy for you. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:33 | |
What did you do in those 15, maybe more, years | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
when you gave up school and decided... Did you always want to be an actor? | 0:18:37 | 0:18:40 | |
Well, I did, secretly. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:41 | |
I didn't want to tell anybody because I was ashamed. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
I thought maybe that was something that lightweights did. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:48 | |
And, actually, I got into the business | 0:18:48 | 0:18:50 | |
because I thought it would keep me from working | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
and it was a way to meet girls. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:55 | |
And it hasn't worked out that way at all. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:57 | |
It's a lot of hard work, actually. | 0:18:57 | 0:18:59 | |
That's so true. So many people go into acting | 0:18:59 | 0:19:01 | |
-as it's a way to meet all the good-looking girls. -Yes. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:03 | |
-But you haven't found them? -Elderly ladies at this point! | 0:19:03 | 0:19:07 | |
Not all that elderly. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:08 | |
It is funny, I never had any large goals as an actor. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:12 | |
All I wanted to do was work. I loved it so much that | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
I wanted off Broadway, and then a small part in television, maybe, | 0:19:15 | 0:19:19 | |
and then Broadway. And that all kind of happened. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
And then, from a Broadway show, I was cast in a film called Lilith | 0:19:22 | 0:19:29 | |
that Warren Beatty and Jean Seberg were in. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
And Warren then remembered me from that, | 0:19:32 | 0:19:34 | |
and gave me a part in Bonnie And Clyde. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:36 | |
-That was really when the bandwagon started. -That's right. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
Before that, you'd had hard times in New York | 0:19:39 | 0:19:41 | |
along with Dustin Hoffman and Robert Duvall. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
We were all buddies together. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:46 | |
Dustin and I had gone to the Pasadena Playhouse together | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
and then we became great pals in New York. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:53 | |
Did you ever confide in each other what your great dreams were? | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
Do you ever, when you meet now, say, "Well, it worked out"? | 0:19:56 | 0:19:58 | |
I think our great dreams were just to keep working, the tiny jobs, | 0:19:58 | 0:20:03 | |
just anything. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:05 | |
Bobby Duvall and I used to go around terrified that we would get a job, | 0:20:05 | 0:20:10 | |
terrified to meet the agents. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
We had our 8x10 glossies with all this made-up stuff on the back, | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
and we hadn't done anything. And we would go knock on the doors | 0:20:16 | 0:20:20 | |
and slip our resumes under the door and run like thieves. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
I don't know what we expected to get from that. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:25 | |
But it was amazing how things do work out, | 0:20:25 | 0:20:29 | |
that all three of us have won Academy Awards, | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
and have done some pretty interesting films. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:36 | |
The major role that won you the Academy Award was Popeye Doyle | 0:20:36 | 0:20:39 | |
in The French Connection. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
-You may not do anything better than that. -Why, thank you?! | 0:20:42 | 0:20:45 | |
-GENTLE LAUGHTER -No, I... | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
You know something I don't know? | 0:20:48 | 0:20:50 | |
I mean it as a compliment, of course, to win an Oscar for it. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:54 | |
But was there a great deal of yourself in that? | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
Actually, at the beginning, very little, | 0:20:57 | 0:20:59 | |
because I was pretty much over my head. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:02 | |
As a matter of fact, on the second day of shooting, | 0:21:02 | 0:21:05 | |
I'd asked the director to replace me | 0:21:05 | 0:21:07 | |
because I just didn't feel I could do it. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:09 | |
I was popping these guys in the mouth, and playing this tough guy. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:14 | |
And it was real tough. I had never played a role quite that demanding. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:19 | |
And after a while, you punch somebody long enough, | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
-you get kind of used to it, you know. -You quite enjoy it. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:26 | |
So, I kind of came around a bit. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:28 | |
You're one of the few people who started as a character actor, | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
and then went to stardom as a star role. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
Everyone remembers The Poseidon Adventure, | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
you were playing a heroic role, | 0:21:37 | 0:21:38 | |
but you haven't had too many of those subsequently. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
Did they decide that you weren't really cut out for heroism, | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
-or did you decide? -I don't know. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:46 | |
I'm always attracted to parts that extend me, that make me stretch. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:53 | |
And I don't know that there's anyone who decided that. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:56 | |
I suppose you do what you can do, | 0:21:56 | 0:21:58 | |
you're cast pretty much close to type in films. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:02 | |
-Do you do it for the art or for the money? -Absolutely art. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:06 | |
The money comes secondary. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:08 | |
It's funny that, after Superman, the first Superman, | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
and I was paid quite well for that, | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
and I didn't really like my work in it, after the film was over, | 0:22:14 | 0:22:17 | |
and I decided to stop and I did quit for two years | 0:22:17 | 0:22:22 | |
and then, when I wanted to come back to work, | 0:22:22 | 0:22:24 | |
it took a long time to get a job. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:26 | |
But I've decided since then that one can do those things where | 0:22:26 | 0:22:30 | |
you're paid the money... obviously in a big budget film, | 0:22:30 | 0:22:34 | |
and you're paid to bring a kind of a life to it. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:38 | |
And it's kind of fun, it really is. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:40 | |
One gets used to that bigger-than-life attitude | 0:22:40 | 0:22:46 | |
about that kind of role in Superman, I really enjoy it. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:51 | |
The great Gene Hackman there. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:52 | |
Now, a four-time Oscar winner, the composer Henry Mancini, | 0:22:52 | 0:22:56 | |
with a marvellous musical medley that includes a burst of | 0:22:56 | 0:23:00 | |
one of the best loved, most iconic songs | 0:23:00 | 0:23:02 | |
ever to grace a movie soundtrack. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:06 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:23:06 | 0:23:08 | |
MUSIC: "Moon River" | 0:25:09 | 0:25:14 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:26:37 | 0:26:39 | |
Moon River, of course, from Breakfast At Tiffany's. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:52 | |
And the star of that classic film, Audrey Hepburn. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
Here she is. Was ever a star more admired for her beauty, | 0:26:55 | 0:26:59 | |
more beloved? | 0:26:59 | 0:27:00 | |
She begins by talking about the very early days of her career. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:05 | |
I got a job in a musical, and that started a career of musicals... | 0:27:05 | 0:27:09 | |
-As an actress. -..and cabaret. No, dancing, I was still dancing then. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:13 | |
And then I got a little part in a movie in Elstree, | 0:27:13 | 0:27:19 | |
-and Ealing, and so forth. -Was that Laughter In Paradise? | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
-Laughter In Paradise with Alistair Sim. -I think we have a picture of it. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:26 | |
-Gosh. -AUDREY LAUGHS | 0:27:26 | 0:27:28 | |
-What a very fetching little bow. -How about the bow on my hair? | 0:27:28 | 0:27:32 | |
-Wonderful. Do you remember the lines you had to say? -No, I don't. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:36 | |
It was only one line, too. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:37 | |
It was something, "Do you want a ciggie?" Something like that. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:41 | |
And then you went from strength to strength | 0:27:41 | 0:27:45 | |
and your career began to burgeon | 0:27:45 | 0:27:46 | |
and you made Roman Holiday with Gregory Peck. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:51 | |
Gregory Peck, and directed by the great William Wyler. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:55 | |
I think we also have a little excerpt from that | 0:27:55 | 0:27:58 | |
to jog your memory. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:00 | |
The mouth of truth. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:02 | |
Legend is that if you're given to lying and put your hand in there, | 0:28:02 | 0:28:06 | |
it will be bitten off. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:08 | |
Oh, what a horrid idea. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:10 | |
Let's see you do it. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:12 | |
SHE LAUGHS NERVOUSLY Let's see you do it. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:37 | |
Sure. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:42 | |
HE SCREAMS SUDDENLY | 0:28:55 | 0:28:57 | |
SHE CRIES OUT | 0:28:57 | 0:28:58 | |
SHE SHRIEKS | 0:28:58 | 0:29:00 | |
Hello! | 0:29:00 | 0:29:02 | |
You beast! | 0:29:02 | 0:29:04 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:29:06 | 0:29:08 | |
Don't make them like that any more, as they say in the cliche. | 0:29:14 | 0:29:17 | |
You looking so beautiful | 0:29:17 | 0:29:18 | |
and Gregory Peck looking so extraordinarily handsome. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:21 | |
Is there a bit of a story attaching to that? | 0:29:21 | 0:29:23 | |
The hand and that? Were you expecting that to happen? | 0:29:23 | 0:29:25 | |
No, but I must say that, you know, even tourists today, | 0:29:25 | 0:29:29 | |
they don't really want to put their hand in there. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
I mean, it's a real tourist site, where everybody goes to. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:36 | |
But, er...when we rehearsed it, I didn't know what he was going to do. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:42 | |
And he didn't do it at the rehearsal. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:44 | |
But he did it in the shot, | 0:29:44 | 0:29:45 | |
-this terrible thing with the sleeve. -LAUGHTER | 0:29:45 | 0:29:48 | |
-And you were... -It's one of those tricks that was played on me. | 0:29:48 | 0:29:51 | |
You were a... I'm sure they did it | 0:29:51 | 0:29:52 | |
because you were still an inexperienced actress at the time. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:55 | |
I still am! | 0:29:55 | 0:29:56 | |
No. Well, no, I wouldn't say that. | 0:29:56 | 0:29:58 | |
Was William Wyler very important to you? Did you learn a lot from him? | 0:29:58 | 0:30:02 | |
I would say almost everything. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:06 | |
Because, as I said, I was a dancer | 0:30:06 | 0:30:08 | |
and all of a sudden now I had to act, | 0:30:08 | 0:30:11 | |
which I'd never really done before. I'd done a play, | 0:30:11 | 0:30:14 | |
but I'd never been in front of a camera. But then I also... | 0:30:14 | 0:30:19 | |
I was sort of joyfully innocent. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:21 | |
You know, I'm much more worried today about coming here... | 0:30:21 | 0:30:24 | |
No! | 0:30:24 | 0:30:26 | |
..than I was then, because somehow Greg and Willy just made me feel, | 0:30:26 | 0:30:31 | |
you know, very good and were so helpful and so kind. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:35 | |
But he was a very exacting director, although I never realised it. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:39 | |
Did he...? Somebody said he taught you how to cry. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:44 | |
Well, no. I know why you ask me that. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:46 | |
One of the last scenes in the picture, | 0:30:46 | 0:30:48 | |
when I say goodbye to Greg after this wonderful time we've had... | 0:30:48 | 0:30:52 | |
And we're sitting in this tiny, little car, | 0:30:52 | 0:30:54 | |
and he takes me back to the embassy where I'm staying, and, erm... | 0:30:54 | 0:30:57 | |
Obviously, we're saying goodbye and I'm supposed to burst into tears. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:03 | |
And although I was terribly sad, the tears weren't coming. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:06 | |
I didn't know how to just sort of fake it, or anything like that, | 0:31:06 | 0:31:09 | |
and Willy, who was a dear man, | 0:31:09 | 0:31:11 | |
had always been terribly gentle with me and very kind, after... | 0:31:11 | 0:31:15 | |
..I won't say a few hours, | 0:31:16 | 0:31:17 | |
but, I mean, quite a long time that the tears were not forthcoming, | 0:31:17 | 0:31:22 | |
and he suddenly came up to me | 0:31:22 | 0:31:25 | |
and started screaming at me and saying, "What is this?" | 0:31:25 | 0:31:27 | |
And, "Who the hell do you think you are?" | 0:31:27 | 0:31:29 | |
And, "We're not going to stay here all night!" | 0:31:29 | 0:31:32 | |
And I was so upset with him talking to me that way that | 0:31:32 | 0:31:34 | |
I burst into tears and they shot the scene and that's what you've got. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:37 | |
-LAUGHTER -He had all kind of ways. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:39 | |
-Bit of a cheat, that, isn't it? -All kinds of ways of making you act. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:43 | |
You were often transformed in movies, | 0:31:43 | 0:31:45 | |
-like in Funny Face or My Fair Lady, from the gauche to the grand. -Yes. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:50 | |
-Cinderella. -Yeah. Which did you feel nearer to? | 0:31:50 | 0:31:55 | |
Or do you fall somewhere in between? | 0:31:55 | 0:31:57 | |
Oh, I was somewhere in between, I guess, but much more the gauche. | 0:31:57 | 0:32:00 | |
I still have problems with that. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
-People think of you as extremely sophisticated and... -Well. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:06 | |
-Very self-possessed. -That's in the beholder's eye. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:09 | |
-But I don't feel... -Do you see yourself as very shy, withdrawn? | 0:32:09 | 0:32:14 | |
-No, I don't... -Unable to cope? -..have that much of a problem, | 0:32:14 | 0:32:17 | |
but I don't see myself, you know, I don't look at myself, | 0:32:17 | 0:32:19 | |
I don't think of myself as anything much. | 0:32:19 | 0:32:21 | |
Once I'm home, it's just me | 0:32:21 | 0:32:23 | |
and my life, you know. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:25 | |
My Fair Lady was a great challenge for you. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:28 | |
Yes, it was, and it was such a lovely part. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:30 | |
Oh, of course, but which was the most difficult for you, | 0:32:30 | 0:32:33 | |
the posh accent that Higgins transformed you into, | 0:32:33 | 0:32:37 | |
or the cockney? | 0:32:37 | 0:32:39 | |
Well, the cockney was a problem to a degree, | 0:32:39 | 0:32:41 | |
because it had to be cockney and yet it couldn't be totally cockney | 0:32:41 | 0:32:45 | |
because nobody would have understood a word I said. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:47 | |
Because real cockney's hard to follow | 0:32:47 | 0:32:48 | |
if you're not very familiar with it. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:50 | |
So it had to be somewhere in between. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:53 | |
You know? But it was but it was a wonderful experience. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:56 | |
Yeah. It was a wonderful film. | 0:32:56 | 0:32:58 | |
Marvellous music and terrific performances. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
We've got a little reminisce of that as well. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
This will bring you back a bit. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:06 | |
HOOF BEATS | 0:33:08 | 0:33:10 | |
Come on. Come on, Dover. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:12 | |
Come on. Come on, Dover! | 0:33:12 | 0:33:15 | |
Come on. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:16 | |
Come on, Dover! | 0:33:20 | 0:33:22 | |
Move your bloomin' arse! | 0:33:22 | 0:33:24 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:33:27 | 0:33:30 | |
Oh, my dear. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:31 | |
-Still works, doesn't it? -Yes, it does. The audience... | 0:33:37 | 0:33:39 | |
That's the part the audience love best. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:41 | |
So, there we got Audrey Hepburn's take on that famous scene | 0:33:43 | 0:33:48 | |
from Roman Holiday, but there are two sides to every story | 0:33:48 | 0:33:50 | |
as you know, so let's get the great Gregory Peck's version as well. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:54 | |
So we were going to play that little scene | 0:33:56 | 0:33:58 | |
and I said to Willy Wyler, the director, | 0:33:58 | 0:34:02 | |
on the side, I said, "You know the old shtick... | 0:34:02 | 0:34:07 | |
"that Red Skelton used to do all the time?" | 0:34:07 | 0:34:10 | |
And I think the Crazy Gang used to do it. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:13 | |
"What if I put my hand in the stone statue | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
"and what if I bring it out like that, | 0:34:16 | 0:34:17 | |
"and we don't tell Audrey?" | 0:34:17 | 0:34:19 | |
He said, "It's corny, but go ahead and do it." | 0:34:19 | 0:34:22 | |
LAUGHTER So we didn't tell Audrey. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:25 | |
I did it, and... And I screamed. And she just went out of her mind. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:31 | |
You insisted that Audrey Hepburn, | 0:34:32 | 0:34:34 | |
although she was merely a young ingenue at that time, | 0:34:34 | 0:34:37 | |
you insisted that she be given extra billing with you in that film. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:41 | |
I did. But you know, it wasn't all that altruistic. I... | 0:34:41 | 0:34:45 | |
We could see from the very first day | 0:34:45 | 0:34:47 | |
that Audrey was born to play this role. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:50 | |
She was the princess from day one, | 0:34:50 | 0:34:53 | |
and after a week or so... And I had sole star billing. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:59 | |
Gregory Peck in Roman Holiday. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:03 | |
And as I thought about it and I watched this marvel of a girl | 0:35:03 | 0:35:07 | |
give this lovely performance, I thought... | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
"Now, Greg, you're just going to look like a damn fool | 0:35:10 | 0:35:15 | |
"if your name is up there on top all by yourself." | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
So I called my agent in Hollywood and I said, | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
"You've got to speak to Paramount and it has to be co-star billing." | 0:35:23 | 0:35:28 | |
He said, "You can't do that. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:30 | |
"You can't give up this prerogative that you've earned." | 0:35:30 | 0:35:33 | |
I said, "Yes, I can and I will. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:36 | |
"And believe me, it's the right thing to do." | 0:35:36 | 0:35:39 | |
And it was, because when the picture came out... | 0:35:39 | 0:35:43 | |
..people just went wild about Audrey | 0:35:45 | 0:35:47 | |
and all the little girls in Japan cut their hair short. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:51 | |
And it was a worldwide hit and... | 0:35:51 | 0:35:53 | |
-Nobody noticed you at all? -Hmm? LAUGHTER | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
Just barely! | 0:35:56 | 0:35:57 | |
Yeah, well, I was in there too. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:01 | |
It was a nice picture and I admit | 0:36:01 | 0:36:03 | |
it's a very happy memory that we have | 0:36:03 | 0:36:06 | |
of six months in Rome making that film. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
Did you grow up with acting ambitions? | 0:36:09 | 0:36:11 | |
-Oh, not at all, no. -How did you start? | 0:36:12 | 0:36:15 | |
Well... | 0:36:15 | 0:36:17 | |
I graduated from college and I went... | 0:36:17 | 0:36:21 | |
I was... I was... | 0:36:21 | 0:36:23 | |
Fell in love with the thing, the theatre, when I was in college. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:29 | |
And I thought, "Well, I'll go to New York and I'll see what I can do. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:34 | |
"I'll give it a try for a few years." | 0:36:34 | 0:36:36 | |
So I went to drama school and at the end of two years, | 0:36:36 | 0:36:40 | |
they had what they called a demonstration play. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:44 | |
And agents and talent scouts came... | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
..to have a look and to see us do our stuff. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:51 | |
And then it was the custom for the students | 0:36:51 | 0:36:53 | |
to go back to the school the next morning | 0:36:53 | 0:36:56 | |
and, er, wait for the phone calls | 0:36:56 | 0:36:59 | |
that sometimes came, sometimes didn't. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:01 | |
There was a call, | 0:37:01 | 0:37:03 | |
and the receptionist put her hand over the phone | 0:37:03 | 0:37:06 | |
and she looked at me and she said, "It's for you." | 0:37:06 | 0:37:08 | |
And it was a famous producer named Guthrie McClintic, | 0:37:08 | 0:37:12 | |
interested to see me about a small role in a play called | 0:37:12 | 0:37:16 | |
The Doctor's Dilemma by Shaw. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:17 | |
Well, I didn't wait for the end of the sentence. I took off. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:22 | |
I knew exactly where his office was, it was six blocks away. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:26 | |
And for your viewers who don't know Manhattan geography, | 0:37:26 | 0:37:31 | |
I dashed across 46th Street, four blocks up 6th Avenue, | 0:37:31 | 0:37:35 | |
to the building where Guthrie McClintic's office was. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:38 | |
Into the elevator, up to the eighth floor, | 0:37:38 | 0:37:40 | |
skidded down the hall into his office. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:42 | |
He's still talking on the phone to the receptionist. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:37:45 | 0:37:47 | |
And he just... He stared at me. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:50 | |
And there I was, the fellow he... | 0:37:51 | 0:37:53 | |
And he began to laugh and then that segued into a cough | 0:37:53 | 0:38:00 | |
and he went into a kind of a fit | 0:38:00 | 0:38:03 | |
and slid off of the seat, laughing, coughing | 0:38:03 | 0:38:07 | |
and he said, "You've got the job." | 0:38:07 | 0:38:10 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:38:10 | 0:38:12 | |
So that was the beginning. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:14 | |
It had nothing to do with anything except | 0:38:14 | 0:38:16 | |
that I was a pretty fast runner in those days. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
The American Film Institute | 0:38:20 | 0:38:22 | |
made a presentation of the Life Achievement Award. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:25 | |
You know, the Life Achievement Award has, | 0:38:25 | 0:38:28 | |
if you think about it, a slightly ominous ring to it. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:31 | |
And I remember I got up there and I said... | 0:38:33 | 0:38:37 | |
You know, James Mason was a friend of mine and I said, | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
"James was not a man of a lot of jokes, | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
"but he had one joke that he liked to tell." | 0:38:43 | 0:38:45 | |
Had to do with his filming in Dublin, | 0:38:45 | 0:38:47 | |
going out one evening for a walk and window shopping. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:50 | |
And he had a trench coat and a hat, | 0:38:50 | 0:38:53 | |
didn't think he'd be recognised. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:55 | |
And, er, a little lady trailed along behind him, | 0:38:55 | 0:38:58 | |
and finally worked up the nerve, | 0:38:58 | 0:38:59 | |
and she tapped him on the should and she said... | 0:38:59 | 0:39:02 | |
IRISH ACCENT: "Begging your pardon, sir. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:04 | |
"But wouldn't you be James Mason in his later years?" | 0:39:04 | 0:39:07 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:39:07 | 0:39:09 | |
And I liked... I liked that good Irish phrase, "later years". | 0:39:13 | 0:39:18 | |
I like it because it's candid and it's dispassionate, | 0:39:18 | 0:39:22 | |
but it's comfortable. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:24 | |
Because it leaves the possibility of more to come. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:28 | |
Finally, another Oscar-winning legend | 0:39:30 | 0:39:33 | |
and a moment I'll certainly never forget. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
James Stewart, so many people's favourite actor, | 0:39:36 | 0:39:40 | |
came on the show in 1988. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:42 | |
And as you'd expect, he charmed and delighted everybody, | 0:39:42 | 0:39:46 | |
and then left everyone else welling up with a poem he'd written | 0:39:46 | 0:39:50 | |
for his much-loved, recently deceased pet dog. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:54 | |
He never came to me when I would call | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
Unless I had a tennis ball | 0:39:58 | 0:40:01 | |
Or he felt like it | 0:40:01 | 0:40:03 | |
But mostly, he didn't come at all | 0:40:03 | 0:40:06 | |
When he was young | 0:40:06 | 0:40:08 | |
He never learned to heel or sit or stay | 0:40:08 | 0:40:11 | |
He did things his way | 0:40:11 | 0:40:13 | |
Discipline was not his bag | 0:40:13 | 0:40:15 | |
But when you were with him things sure didn't drag | 0:40:15 | 0:40:18 | |
He'd dig up a rose bush just to spite me | 0:40:18 | 0:40:21 | |
And when I'd grab him | 0:40:21 | 0:40:23 | |
He'd turn and bite me | 0:40:23 | 0:40:24 | |
He bit lots of folks from day to day | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
The delivery boy was his favourite prey | 0:40:27 | 0:40:31 | |
He gas man would read our meter | 0:40:31 | 0:40:33 | |
He said we owned a real man-eater | 0:40:33 | 0:40:36 | |
He set the house on fire | 0:40:37 | 0:40:40 | |
But the story's too long to tell | 0:40:40 | 0:40:42 | |
But suffice to say, that he survived | 0:40:42 | 0:40:44 | |
And the house survived as well | 0:40:44 | 0:40:46 | |
And on evening walks | 0:40:46 | 0:40:48 | |
When Mom took him | 0:40:48 | 0:40:51 | |
He was always first out the door | 0:40:51 | 0:40:53 | |
The old one and I brought up the rear | 0:40:53 | 0:40:55 | |
Because our bones were sore | 0:40:55 | 0:40:57 | |
And he'd charge up the street | 0:40:57 | 0:41:00 | |
With Mom hanging on | 0:41:00 | 0:41:02 | |
What a beautiful sight they were | 0:41:02 | 0:41:04 | |
And if it was still light | 0:41:04 | 0:41:05 | |
And the tourists were out | 0:41:05 | 0:41:07 | |
They created a bit of a stir | 0:41:07 | 0:41:09 | |
But every once in a while | 0:41:09 | 0:41:11 | |
He'd stop in his track | 0:41:11 | 0:41:13 | |
And with a frown on his face turn around | 0:41:13 | 0:41:15 | |
Just to make sure that the old one was there | 0:41:15 | 0:41:18 | |
To follow him where he was bound | 0:41:18 | 0:41:21 | |
We're early-to-bedders in our house | 0:41:22 | 0:41:24 | |
I guess I'm the first to retire | 0:41:24 | 0:41:27 | |
As I leave the room | 0:41:28 | 0:41:29 | |
He'd look up at me | 0:41:29 | 0:41:31 | |
And get up from his place by the fire | 0:41:31 | 0:41:33 | |
He knew where the tennis balls were upstairs | 0:41:33 | 0:41:36 | |
And I'd give him one for a while | 0:41:36 | 0:41:38 | |
And he'd shove it under the bed with his nose | 0:41:38 | 0:41:41 | |
And I'd dig it out with a smile | 0:41:41 | 0:41:43 | |
But before very long | 0:41:44 | 0:41:46 | |
He'd tyre of the ball | 0:41:46 | 0:41:47 | |
And be asleep in his corner | 0:41:47 | 0:41:49 | |
In no time at all | 0:41:49 | 0:41:51 | |
And there were nights | 0:41:52 | 0:41:54 | |
When I'd feel him climb up on our bed, | 0:41:54 | 0:41:57 | |
And lie between us | 0:41:57 | 0:41:59 | |
And I'd pat his head | 0:41:59 | 0:42:02 | |
And there were nights | 0:42:02 | 0:42:03 | |
When I'd feel this stare | 0:42:03 | 0:42:06 | |
And I'd wake up | 0:42:06 | 0:42:08 | |
And he'd be sitting there | 0:42:08 | 0:42:10 | |
And I'd reach out my hand to stroke his hair | 0:42:10 | 0:42:13 | |
And sometimes I'd feel him sigh | 0:42:13 | 0:42:17 | |
And I think, I know the reason why | 0:42:17 | 0:42:20 | |
He'd wake up and night | 0:42:21 | 0:42:24 | |
And he would have this fear | 0:42:24 | 0:42:26 | |
Of the dark, of life | 0:42:28 | 0:42:29 | |
Of lots of things | 0:42:29 | 0:42:32 | |
And he'd be glad to have me near | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
And now he's dead | 0:42:37 | 0:42:39 | |
And...there are nights... | 0:42:40 | 0:42:43 | |
When I think I feel him | 0:42:44 | 0:42:46 | |
Climb up on our bed | 0:42:46 | 0:42:49 | |
And lie between us | 0:42:49 | 0:42:51 | |
And I pat his head | 0:42:53 | 0:42:55 | |
And there are nights | 0:42:55 | 0:42:57 | |
When I think I feel that stare | 0:42:57 | 0:43:00 | |
And I reach out my hand | 0:43:02 | 0:43:04 | |
To stroke his hair | 0:43:04 | 0:43:06 | |
But he's not there | 0:43:06 | 0:43:08 | |
Oh, how I wish that wasn't so | 0:43:09 | 0:43:12 | |
I'll always love a dog named Beau. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:18 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:43:18 | 0:43:20 | |
INAUDIBLE | 0:43:22 | 0:43:24 | |
Ah, gets you every time, doesn't it? | 0:43:35 | 0:43:38 | |
There's no way to top that, so we'll call a close on the proceedings. | 0:43:38 | 0:43:42 | |
But do join me again | 0:43:42 | 0:43:43 | |
for more Wogan Best Bits next time. Till then... | 0:43:43 | 0:43:48 |