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It was a show that went out three nights a week, live...

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Mr Wogan, you're on.

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..with a live audience

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and everyone who is anyone dropping in -

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the great and the good, the bad and the ugly.

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They called it Wogan. I never knew why.

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So, if you're sitting comfortably,

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I'll show you something I made earlier.

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God knows what they'll make of us in 25 years' time.

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Welcome.

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Now, on today's show, we've got a stack of guests

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who really stick out from the crowd.

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In some cases, because of how old they were, like myself,

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and in others, because of how odd they were.

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So, here's who's coming up -

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Take That, Nicolas Cage,

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George Best, Boris Becker

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and Macaulay Culkin.

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Despite all the big names we got on over the years,

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today's first interview with David Icke is perhaps

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the one people still ask me the most about.

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Prior to this, David was known as a clean-cut BBC sports presenter,

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a former goalkeeper.

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And the turquoise shell suit and comparisons to Jesus

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came as a bit of a surprise.

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I told David, years later, that, perhaps, I'd been

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a bit too sharp with him.

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But however it played out, it's become one of the things people,

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for some reason, remember.

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Did I see you say that turquoise... What is turquoise going to do?

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Well, there is an energy that comes from a being called the God Head,

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which I mean, we talk about God,

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the God Head is not a guy with a beard sitting on a cloud,

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it is a massive spirit.

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The basis of all creation.

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Coming out from this God Head, round all creation,

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through all the stars and planets,

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is the life force known as the light.

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I mean, the Bible refers to the light.

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And within this light are various other energies

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which have certain gifts.

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These energies have a frequency that is the same as all the colours.

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Turquoise is the same frequency as an energy called love and wisdom.

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Therefore, when you wear that colour, you attract it.

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When you wear black, you attract a colour that is the opposite

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to love and all the things we wish to bring to the Earth.

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-This is...

-It attracts another kind of energy which is very...

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But this is very hard on priests and nuns, isn't it?

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LAUGHTER Well...

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APPLAUSE

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Maybe that's a sign that all the truth

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is not in the hands of the traditional church

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that has been with us over all these thousands of years.

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Let me get this story right,

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-the press claim that you claim to be the son of God.

-Mmm-hmm.

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Is that true?

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Yes, you see the thing is...

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LAUGHTER It's quite funny, really.

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2,000 years ago, had a guy called Jesus sat here

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and said these same things, you would still be laughing.

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It's really funny that we've not really moved on that much.

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When we think, it is not a vacuum.

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When we think, we create an energy field.

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This is how telepathy works.

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An energy field leaves one being and other beings can tune into it

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and read that thought.

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When you think thoughts of love and wisdom and of tolerance

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and all the things we wish to bring to the Earth,

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you create a certain, kind of, thought energy,

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the very same energy that the God Head sends around creation.

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When you think the other thoughts of hatred, of anger, of aggression,

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you create a different kind of energy, known as negativity,

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which is very, very destructive.

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This being called Lucifer lives off this energy.

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So, the more that is produced on this planet,

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the more powerful that being becomes.

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Therefore, he stimulates

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and has stimulated this planet over 12,000 years,

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since he's been in control,

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to produce as much of this energy, as possible.

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So, evil has been in control of the planet for 12,000 years?

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It has been the dominating force.

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Evil's not the right word. It is imbalance.

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But it has been increasingly in control. As I repeat,

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survey the world, ladies and gentlemen, is the force of love

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in control of this world, guiding this planet at this time?

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Of course not.

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The negativity, the thoughts that I'm talking about that

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are very destructive are pouring out of this planet.

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Let me interrupt you.

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Was it a great shock for you to discover this at 38?

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LAUGHTER

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I think the word is gobsmacked.

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But, again, you know the best way of removing negativity

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is to laugh and be joyous,

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so I'm delighted that there's so much laughter in the audience tonight.

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Just let me say this.

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They're laughing at you. They're not laughing with you.

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Fine.

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APPLAUSE

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I didn't mean that to be hurtful. I don't want you to misinterpret it,

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they're not laughing in sympathy with you.

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Let me say two things to that.

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First, if anyone believes, after 12,000 years of this truth being lost

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that coming out with it, initially, is going to get any kind of reaction

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other than that one or condemnation,

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I would be a crackpot if I thought that was the case.

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The other thing is, there is this great illusion, you know,

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that Jesus was born and stood up and said, "I know who I am."

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It was revealed to him in stages.

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He was very, very close to beginning the mission which is

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described in the Bible, but not described brilliantly accurately,

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before he knew who he was.

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And when he came out, Terry, and said,

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"I am the son of God, I am an aspect of the soul of the God Head,

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"incarnate because of things

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"that need to be done on this planet urgently",

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people laughed, people ridiculed.

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In the end, you know, they crucified him.

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There are a couple of questions. First of all, why you?

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And secondly, if I may say so, you have confused the message

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by an awful lot of predictions.

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You told us that there are going to be earthquakes

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and some are going to happen quite soon.

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Yeah.

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Two things to that.

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First of all, why me? Why anybody?

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People would have said to Jesus and many other people like Jesus,

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that have not been written into history...

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That was the most famous effort to wrest control of this

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planet from these forces,

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but there have been many before that.

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They would have said, "Why you? You're a carpenter's son."

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So, why anyone?

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But you're saying you were part of Jesus' soul before. You were also

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part of many other people's lives on the way through history.

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As we all have been. We've all been on this Earth

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and incarnated into different physical bodies many times.

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But the other point you bring up about the predictions,

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If I am given information from beings who have proved to be

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perfectly accurate, day after day, in things they've told us

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are going to happen and they happen.

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-They told you Saddam Hussein was dead and he's not.

-Yes, he is.

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I watched his birthday party on the television yesterday.

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All I can say to you is all that glitters is not gold.

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Hang about and watch and wait.

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David has long since gone on to a hugely-successful lecturing career,

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warning people that the rulers are really snakes.

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Well, let's have some music now from someone whose popularity is

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unchanged with the passage of time.

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With Hello Again, welcome again, Neil Diamond.

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APPLAUSE

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# Hello again

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# Hello

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# I just called to say

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# Hello

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# I couldn't sleep

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# At all tonight

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# I know it's late

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# I just couldn't wait

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# Hello, my friend

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# Hello

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# I just called to let you know

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# I think about you

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# Every night

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# When I'm here alone

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# And you're there at home

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# Hello

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# Maybe it's been crazy Maybe I'm to blame

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# Won't you put your heart above your head

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# We've been through it all

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# You loved me just the same

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# And when you're not there

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# I just need to hear

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# Hello

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# My friend, hello

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# It's good to need you so

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# It's good to love you

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# Like I do

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# And to feel this way

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# When I hear you say

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# Hello

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# Hello, my friends, hello

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# Just called to let you know

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# I think about you

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# Every night

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# When I'm here alone

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# And you're there at home

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# Hello. #

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APPLAUSE

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Let's say hello to Macaulay Culkin,

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the young fella who in the 1990s was Hollywood's smallest big star

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since Shirley Temple.

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Here he is talking about Home Alone,

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the smash-hit movie that made him a boy wonder.

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-You look great.

-Thank you.

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You're a hot property at the moment, aren't you?

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Yeah.

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-I read in the papers, £1 million for your next movie.

-Wow!

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LAUGHTER

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He's taking it well, isn't he?

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You're taking it well. What would you do with all that money?

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Buy myself a licence.

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-A licence to what?

-To drive.

-Oh, to drive.

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And say I'm a midget and I'm 21.

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And I'd buy myself a Porsche, you know.

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-What, now?

-Yeah.

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And keep it in the garage until you're ready

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and not let anybody else drive it?

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-Yes.

-Certainly not. Good thinking.

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But it's a lot of money.

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Do you get to see any of the money that you've been making?

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No, actually, all I have to do is sign the cheque and...

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-Don't tell me, your mother takes it.

-No, my mom takes it to the bank.

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Oh, does she? That's what she tells you.

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-Yeah, you hope.

-Yeah.

-Good for you.

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-Obviously, you're not a person that fame has changed.

-No.

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-You're a simple God-fearing young man, I hear.

-Yes.

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That's you. Now, tell me about the movie.

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In Home Alone, which has been an enormous success in the States,

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-hasn't it?

-Yeah.

-Did that surprise you?

-Well, kind of.

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I didn't think it would do that good, but it's a good film.

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-It's really funny.

-So, what happens is, this young man...

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How old are you?

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I'm ten right now, but I'm supposed to be eight in the movie.

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But when you made the movie, you were probably nine.

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We'll take some time to establish this.

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-I mean, you get the whole house to yourself.

-Yeah.

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What happens when the young man gets the whole house to himself?

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He bounces on the bed with his shoes on and eats popcorn

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and gets this huge bowl of ice cream, puts in ice cream,

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whipped cream, sprinkles, cherries, marshmallows.

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He takes advantage of it.

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He takes advantage of it early, you see.

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How about the two guys that play the burglars

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that you did all the damage to?

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Um, well they were nice, you know.

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Did you do all your own stunts

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because there's a lot of acrobatics, isn't there?

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Yeah, well, my stunt man,

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my stunt midget, did...

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LAUGHTER

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Timing.

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-My stunt midget.

-Poor little chap.

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He would climb up all the shelves and fall and everything.

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I would only do the close-ups and I would run sliding on my knees,

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that was me.

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That's great, isn't it?

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You'd be the envy...

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-Do you go to school?

-Mmm-hmm.

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-Have a lot of your school pals seen this movie?

-Yeah.

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They must be really envious of you, are they?

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No, they treat me the same and everything.

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They play up to you a little bit, cos you've got all that money now.

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No, they don't.

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-Do you get much spending money?

-I don't get an allowance, at all.

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That's really mean, isn't it?

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-AUDIENCE:

-Aaah!

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Sometimes, if I ask for, like, some money.

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She says, "What's it for?" and let's say I want to get to get a shirt.

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She'll say, "What's it for?"

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And I'll say school work and I get the money and go shopping.

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-But you go to a regular school.

-Yeah.

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I hear you've got a way of making money, as well.

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You make a little bit of money on the side, as well, don't you?

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Yeah, I play liar's poker with the Teamsters.

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-He plays liar's poker with the Teamsters.

-I'm also a Teamster. I...

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Oh, do you know what you have to do to pass the Teamster test?

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Hold a cup of coffee and two doughnuts in one hand

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and drive with the other.

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And do you know what God said to the Teamsters before he died?

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"Don't do anything until I get back."

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LAUGHTER

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Teamster joke.

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APPLAUSE

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They taught me this.

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What about all the publicity, all the screaming fans

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-and the stretch limos? Do you like all that stuff?

-It's OK, you know.

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-Yeah. Suppose it was all taken away, could you handle that?

-Yeah.

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I'll bet you could, too, and I wish you great success

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in your career, which I'm sure is going to be star-spangled.

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-Thank you for joining us.

-OK.

-Macaulay.

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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

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Good man... That was good fun.

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Now, I want you to prepare yourselves for one of the most

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dramatic entrances we ever witnessed on Wogan,

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followed by one of the strangest interviews.

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Nicolas Cage is the man. A fine actor - an Oscar winner -

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but he seemed a bit out of sorts on the day.

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Maybe he was always like this.

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Unlike some, however, he had plenty to say, not all of it making sense.

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Welcome Nicolas Cage.

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APPLAUSE

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Wah! Yeah!

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How are you doing, Terry?

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-Understatement's the watch word tonight.

-My mic, darn it.

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All that physical activity just took my mic off.

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-You did a bit of that in Wild At Heart when you're dancing.

-Sure did.

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-All those karate kicks.

-Heck, I'll just hold it.

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Sorry about that, I just had to get it off my chest.

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-I was a bit wound up back there.

-Were you? Worked up?

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-Just a little worked up.

-Do you get carried away?

-Well...

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I don't know if I get carried away, I just, sort of, have a good time

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and you invited me on your show, so I'm going to have a blast!

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A blast, eh?

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Do you find that kind of thing loosens you up,

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just to do hand springs like that, cos I do that quite often.

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Do you?

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LAUGHTER

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-Before we start, I don't do it, then.

-You know who you remind me of?

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-Arnold Schwarzenegger?

-No, The Avengers.

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-The Avengers.

-Remember Mr Steed?

-Diana Rigg.

-Diana Rigg and Mr Steed.

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-Give it up for the Avenger! All right!

-Thank you.

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APPLAUSE

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-That's me. Now, tell me. Let's talk about you now, Nicolas.

-Sure.

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-Cos time's a-wasting.

-Yeah, I got you.

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Wild At Heart, first of all, it's your new movie.

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I have to say I saw it in black and white,

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because my video machine is not working properly and I thought

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it was arty and done in black and white, but it's in full colour.

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-Yeah, it is.

-It's an extraordinary movie.

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-Yeah, well, thank you.

-I'm not big on sycophancy, but you're great in it.

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Thanks. You know what, this leather is really hot.

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You're sorry now you did a handspring.

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I've got to tell you something, I hate to do this to you, Terry,

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but Mandy gave you a T-shirt.

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You're going to give me your snakeskin jacket, aren't you?

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No, I've got to give you my Wild At Heart T-shirt.

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CHEERING

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I'll just put this jacket back on.

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It's a big night for me, I can tell you.

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Tell me how you started in the acting.

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Is that what you always wanted to do?

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Well, when I was six years old, I used to watch the TV

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and I used to wonder how those little guys got into the TV,

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how they were talking like you, you know.

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I tried to figure out ways of getting inside that TV set.

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That was the first time I really wanted to be an actor, I think.

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You have been quoted as saying that, if you hadn't been an actor,

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you'd be dead now.

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Well, you know.

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Maybe I was a little bit far-fetched.

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I guess I had this need to do crazy things.

0:20:540:20:58

Maybe if I hadn't become an actor,

0:20:580:21:01

I used to like the idea of robbing banks.

0:21:010:21:04

So, at least I don't have to rob a bank. I can just do it in a movie.

0:21:040:21:06

It's safer that way.

0:21:060:21:08

-But if you wanted to, the guys and I would go out and help you.

-Really?

0:21:080:21:11

-We'll rob a couple of banks.

-You want to rob a bank with me?

0:21:110:21:15

They're all closed. We'll have to wait till Tuesday.

0:21:150:21:17

It's a bank holiday, so Tuesday. We'll make a date.

0:21:170:21:21

So you've come over here to get away from all the excitement

0:21:210:21:25

-or are you going to work here?

-No, I came over here to go on your show.

0:21:250:21:28

Oh. You see. People still care.

0:21:280:21:33

So, what age were you?

0:21:330:21:37

-You're now 26 and you've been acting since...?

-Since I was 16, ten years.

0:21:370:21:42

You didn't go to acting school, though.

0:21:420:21:45

Would you say you're a natural like that?

0:21:450:21:48

Well, there was this story, I used to get beat up on the bus a lot.

0:21:480:21:54

I went to a correctional school for juvenile delinquents

0:21:540:21:57

and I wasn't a big guy, I was ten years old.

0:21:570:22:00

I got kicked out of school because I was the class clown,

0:22:000:22:02

coming up with pranks and whatnot.

0:22:020:22:04

Fried grasshoppers in people's egg salad sandwiches.

0:22:040:22:07

I used to get beat up on the bus every day.

0:22:090:22:12

Then, I was Nicky Coppola, that was my name.

0:22:120:22:15

So, one day I went to school and I dressed up,

0:22:150:22:18

put my cowboy boots on, put my black leather jacket on,

0:22:180:22:21

put my sunglasses on and said I was Roy Richards.

0:22:210:22:26

If you mess around with my cousin, Nicky Coppola,

0:22:260:22:29

I'm going to kick your ass.

0:22:290:22:31

So, after that, they never screwed around with me,

0:22:310:22:33

so that was really my first acting experience.

0:22:330:22:36

Coppola couldn't have helped you as a name, could it?

0:22:360:22:40

Well, when I first started out, I was 16 and there was a guy named

0:22:400:22:46

Eric Stoltz, a young actor working on a movie with me called Fast Times.

0:22:460:22:50

I'm sorry, man, that workout over there, I'm really hot.

0:22:500:22:53

Well, it's warm in here tonight.

0:22:530:22:55

A lot of the audience have taken their vests off, as well.

0:22:550:22:58

What happened to the London fog? Where's the rain?

0:22:580:23:02

There is no London smog. The Clean Air Act 1933.

0:23:020:23:06

He used to make fun of me cos I was Coppola's nephew,

0:23:060:23:08

you know, Godfather lines and Apocalypse Now lines.

0:23:080:23:12

After I said I really don't need it,

0:23:120:23:14

so I changed my name to Cage.

0:23:140:23:16

-And it's worked out very well for you.

-Thank you.

0:23:160:23:18

Your versatility is quite extraordinary,

0:23:180:23:21

if I can be serious about how you act.

0:23:210:23:23

You were terrific in Moonstruck,

0:23:230:23:25

which was the last thing I saw you in.

0:23:250:23:27

And then in Wild At Heart, um...

0:23:270:23:29

How do you get into two different roles like that?

0:23:290:23:33

You seem a physical kind of person.

0:23:350:23:37

-Do you get into things physically?

-Yeah, I do.

0:23:370:23:39

Not as much as I used to, because I do have a life to live.

0:23:390:23:42

And when you start living the part of a crazy, psychopathic killer,

0:23:420:23:45

it can get you into trouble when you go home to your girlfriend. So...

0:23:450:23:49

Didn't Richard Gere tell you off, when you were making Cotton Club?

0:23:490:23:52

Yeah. He said, "If you do that, you'll have about

0:23:520:23:55

three more movies left in you."

0:23:550:23:57

-But... So I quit.

-So you've quietened down, have you?

-I'm much quieter.

0:23:570:24:01

-You are, you seem a quiet guy.

-I'm very quiet. I'm quiet. LAUGHTER

0:24:010:24:04

Yes! Yes, of course you are, Nicholas!

0:24:060:24:08

Well, maybe if you're comparing him to pitch-perfect Mariah Carey.

0:24:100:24:14

In America, she was the first female artist to have her first

0:24:140:24:18

five singles go to number one.

0:24:180:24:19

Here she is singing one of them - Emotions.

0:24:200:24:23

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

0:24:250:24:27

# Oooh, oh, oh, oh

0:24:290:24:32

# Hey

0:24:320:24:34

# Yeah!

0:24:340:24:37

# Oooh, hey, hey, yeah, hey

0:24:370:24:42

# Oooh-oooh-oooh oh

0:24:420:24:45

# You've got me feeling emotions

0:24:450:24:49

# Deeper than I've ever dreamed of

0:24:490:24:53

# You've got me feeling emotions

0:24:530:24:57

# Higher than the heavens above

0:24:570:25:01

# I feel good, I feel nice

0:25:010:25:05

# I've never felt so satisfied

0:25:050:25:10

# I'm in love, I'm alive

0:25:100:25:14

# Intoxicated

0:25:140:25:16

# Flying high

0:25:160:25:19

# It feels like a dream

0:25:190:25:21

# When you touch me tenderly

0:25:210:25:26

# I don't know if it's real

0:25:270:25:30

# But I like the way I feel

0:25:300:25:32

# Inside!

0:25:320:25:35

# You've got me feeling emotions

0:25:350:25:39

# Deeper than I've ever dreamed of Whoa-oh-oh

0:25:390:25:43

# You've got me feeling emotions

0:25:430:25:47

# Higher than the heavens above

0:25:470:25:52

# Now, In the morning when I rise

0:25:520:25:55

-# You are the first thing

-On my mind

0:25:550:26:00

# And in the middle of the night

0:26:000:26:04

# I feel your heartbeat next to mine

0:26:040:26:09

# And it feels like a dream

0:26:090:26:12

# When you love me tenderly

0:26:120:26:16

# I don't know if you're for real

0:26:160:26:20

# Oh, but I like the way I feel

0:26:200:26:22

# Inside my heart

0:26:220:26:25

# You've got me feeling emotions

0:26:250:26:29

# Deeper than I've ever dreamed

0:26:290:26:32

# Whoa-oh

0:26:320:26:33

# You've got me feeling emotions

0:26:330:26:37

# Higher than the heavens above Whoa-oh-oh

0:26:370:26:42

# You've got me feeling emotions

0:26:420:26:45

# Oh, deeper than I've ever dreamed of

0:26:450:26:49

# Whoa, baby you've got me feeling emotions

0:26:490:26:54

# Higher than the heavens above

0:26:540:26:57

# Oh, yes

0:26:570:26:59

# Now you know the way

0:26:590:27:02

# To make me lose control

0:27:020:27:06

# When you're looking into my eyes

0:27:070:27:10

# You make me feel so-oo-oo

0:27:100:27:15

# High!

0:27:150:27:17

# Higher than the sky

0:27:170:27:19

# Whoa, oh-oh, baby

0:27:190:27:22

# Oh, baby

0:27:220:27:24

# Hee-eey

0:27:240:27:25

-# All right

-All right

0:27:250:27:28

# Oo-oo-ooh, oh-ooh-ooh-ooh yeah

0:27:280:27:32

-# Ooh

-Oooh-oooh

0:27:320:27:35

# He-ee-ee-ee-ee-eey

0:27:350:27:38

# Ooooh-ooh-oooh-oooh

0:27:380:27:40

# You've got me feeling emotions

0:27:400:27:44

# Deeper than I've ever dreamed of

0:27:440:27:48

# You've got me feeling emotions

0:27:480:27:52

# Higher than the heavens above

0:27:520:27:56

# Oooh, yeah

0:27:560:27:58

# I said you've got me feeling emotions

0:27:580:28:03

-# Deeper than I've ever dreamed of

-Yes, you do

0:28:030:28:05

# Yeah, yeah, yeah

0:28:050:28:07

# You've got me feeling emotions

0:28:070:28:11

# Hey, hey, yeah

0:28:110:28:13

-# Higher

-You've got me feeling

0:28:130:28:15

-# Emotions

-So good

0:28:150:28:18

-# Deeper than I've ever dreamed of

-You've got me feeling

0:28:180:28:20

-# So fine, baby

-Oh-oh, you've

0:28:200:28:22

# Got me feeling emotions

0:28:220:28:26

# Higher than the heavens above

0:28:260:28:30

# Higher... #

0:28:300:28:33

APPLAUSE # Ye-eea-ah! #

0:28:330:28:36

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE CONTINUES

0:28:380:28:42

After the pleasure of listening to that performance,

0:28:430:28:46

we've some slightly sad viewing.

0:28:460:28:48

It was always incredibly difficult to witness the disintegration

0:28:480:28:52

of footballing legend, the great George Best.

0:28:520:28:54

But this encounter, perhaps not surprisingly,

0:28:540:28:57

is another one of those ones that Wogan viewers always remember.

0:28:570:29:01

APPLAUSE AND WHISTLING, HOUSE BAND PLAYS

0:29:070:29:10

MUSIC ENDS, APPLAUSE DIES DOWN

0:29:160:29:18

Now, it's good to see you again.

0:29:180:29:21

Thank you for joining us.

0:29:210:29:22

Now, would you rather be at Old Trafford tonight,

0:29:220:29:24

with the return into Europe?

0:29:240:29:26

Does that make you... wish to be there again?

0:29:260:29:29

Yes.

0:29:290:29:31

A full and complete and frank answer there.

0:29:310:29:35

LAUGHTER

0:29:350:29:37

The last time you were only here,

0:29:370:29:38

you'd just come out of the old calaboose.

0:29:380:29:40

-Prison, you mean?

-Yeah.

-Yeah.

0:29:410:29:43

Did that experience, do you feel, do you any good?

0:29:430:29:47

Not... It's not nice to be in prison.

0:29:480:29:51

-No.

-LAUGHTER

0:29:510:29:53

What are you laughing at? What are you laughing? LAUGHTER

0:29:530:29:56

These people don't know what they're laughing at half the time.

0:29:560:29:59

Yes. But you don't feel it did you any...?

0:29:590:30:01

Did it have a sobering effect on you?

0:30:010:30:04

It did me good because I got £35,000 out of it. SOME AUDIENCE MEMBERS LAUGH

0:30:040:30:08

You got £35,000 out of it?

0:30:080:30:10

Yeah. They paid me.

0:30:100:30:12

For being in prison.

0:30:120:30:13

-Who did?

-LAUGHTER

0:30:130:30:17

The... Daily Record or some...

0:30:180:30:21

Yeah.

0:30:210:30:23

-Yeah, but money's never been important to you?

-Nah.

0:30:230:30:26

There's one thing in my life that's not important, is money.

0:30:260:30:29

What is important in life?

0:30:310:30:32

Friends.

0:30:340:30:35

-Football?

-Football, yeah, still. Yeah.

0:30:350:30:39

-The ladies?

-Ladies are still important, yeah.

0:30:400:30:43

SCATTERED LAUGHTER

0:30:430:30:46

-They keep laughing.

-I know.

0:30:460:30:48

What about the booze. Is that important to you?

0:30:480:30:50

The booze is still important, yeah, yeah. LAUGHTER

0:30:500:30:54

Get off it! LAUGHTER

0:30:540:30:56

Gazza did that the other day.

0:30:570:30:59

You have been very outspoken about football throughout your time.

0:30:590:31:04

What do you think of Gazza?

0:31:040:31:08

I think he is a very talented player.

0:31:080:31:11

But he is not in the same class as me.

0:31:120:31:14

-AUDIENCE:

-Oooh!

0:31:160:31:18

-Who said that?

-I thought you did!

0:31:180:31:21

I mean, what would your advice to him be?

0:31:210:31:25

Behave yourself.

0:31:280:31:30

Because he's actually...

0:31:300:31:33

I hate the press.

0:31:330:31:35

They gave you a hard time and, obviously, they're,

0:31:370:31:40

if you like, more intensive now than when you were, when you were a lad.

0:31:400:31:44

But mind you, they might say that you asked for it.

0:31:440:31:47

I don't care what they say.

0:31:470:31:49

They are treating this guy...

0:31:510:31:54

with disrespect.

0:31:550:31:57

And it's not right.

0:31:570:31:58

What they are doing to him is wrong.

0:31:590:32:01

-He's, what, 25?

-23.

0:32:020:32:04

Is he 23? I'm always wrong.

0:32:060:32:10

WOGAN LAUGHS

0:32:100:32:11

What about, what about football now, when you look at it?

0:32:110:32:13

I know that you are going to probably

0:32:130:32:15

commentate on the game itself tonight, later on.

0:32:150:32:19

What about football? What is your opinion when you look at it?

0:32:190:32:22

There was a great upsurge of interest when England did

0:32:220:32:25

so well in the World Cup this time.

0:32:250:32:26

What do you feel about football, here, what you feel about England?

0:32:260:32:30

As a football team?

0:32:300:32:31

Actually, they did nothing. Unfortunately. I wish they did.

0:32:320:32:39

-Because... They are not right.

-You don't think so?

-No.

0:32:390:32:46

What you think of the new manager, what about Graham Taylor,

0:32:460:32:49

-will he make a difference?

-Not even slightly, no.

-Why?

0:32:490:32:52

Where do you think they're going wrong?

0:32:520:32:55

Cos they don't have the players... that are doing it.

0:32:560:33:01

I mean, how are they going to get the players together?

0:33:010:33:03

-Do you think it is the training methods that are wrong?

-Yeah.

0:33:030:33:07

But not everybody has, at the risk of being sycophantic,

0:33:070:33:10

not everybody has your talent.

0:33:100:33:12

-Some people have to be...

-That is correct, yeah.

0:33:120:33:15

AUDIENCE GASPS, LAUGHTER

0:33:160:33:18

Correct! THEY LAUGH

0:33:180:33:20

Yeah.

0:33:210:33:23

It's just a shame because...

0:33:230:33:25

I still love the game, I love it.

0:33:250:33:28

I watch it and they have got no idea what they're doing.

0:33:300:33:33

And they keep bringing these managers

0:33:360:33:39

and have got no idea what they're talking about.

0:33:390:33:44

And what they're...

0:33:440:33:45

-I mean, they talk a load of...

-Please!

0:33:450:33:48

-This is...?

-It's all... Yeah.

-Is this live?

0:33:480:33:51

It is, very. Well, almost.

0:33:510:33:53

-LAUGHTER

-Yeah, yeah.

0:33:530:33:54

Well, having established that the show was live,

0:33:550:33:59

George proceeded to send me and the producers into multiple panics,

0:33:590:34:03

with all sorts of colourful language,

0:34:030:34:05

to which we will not subject you at this hour.

0:34:050:34:08

Now, there was no such trouble with tennis wonder kid Boris Becker,

0:34:080:34:11

who, in 1985, aged just 17, became the first unseeded,

0:34:110:34:16

and youngest winner, of the Wimbledon men's final.

0:34:160:34:20

-How has life changed for you since you won Wimbledon?

-Um...

0:34:200:34:23

Have you noticed anything because you're playing tennis

0:34:230:34:26

most of the time?

0:34:260:34:28

Well, I hope not that I've changed. The people have changed to me.

0:34:280:34:33

-You haven't changed?

-Er...

0:34:330:34:36

-Maybe a little bit. But it's...

-What little bit has changed?

0:34:360:34:40

LAUGHTER

0:34:400:34:43

Um...

0:34:430:34:45

I'm a little bit older now!

0:34:450:34:47

LAUGHTER

0:34:470:34:49

-You're going to be 18 any minute, aren't you?

-In 12 days now.

-18.

0:34:490:34:53

You're an old man, Boris! You're over the hill!

0:34:530:34:56

Then, I'm officially a man.

0:34:560:34:58

LAUGHTER

0:34:580:35:00

-You can drive a car.

-Yeah.

0:35:000:35:03

It's amazing...

0:35:030:35:06

How are you coping with the pressures, with the press

0:35:060:35:09

conferences, with the photographers, with people who are now...?

0:35:090:35:13

You had a private life before Wimbledon.

0:35:130:35:16

You've had no private life since then, have you?

0:35:160:35:18

Yeah, at the beginning, it was a little bit difficult for me

0:35:180:35:21

to understand that now, when I'm going on the street, that all people

0:35:210:35:26

are coming to me, want to talk to me,

0:35:260:35:28

I have to give press conferences, and when I'm talking,

0:35:280:35:32

there are like 50 or 60 journalists from all over the world

0:35:320:35:36

and listen to every word I'm saying.

0:35:360:35:39

But now, I think I've got used to it

0:35:390:35:41

and sometimes, I even enjoy it, a little bit.

0:35:410:35:45

-Really?

-LAUGHTER

0:35:450:35:47

-What about this kind of thing? Do you enjoy this?

-Er... Yeah. So far.

0:35:470:35:52

LAUGHTER

0:35:520:35:54

Has your English had to improve? Are you taking more English lessons?

0:35:540:35:58

-Cos your English is very good. Was it always that good?

-Thank you.

0:35:580:36:02

No, I haven't learned so much in school,

0:36:020:36:05

but I am travelling now for, let's say, one-and-a-half years on the tour

0:36:050:36:12

and, when there's a press conference,

0:36:120:36:14

I have to talk English, I cannot talk German, so it's getting better, yeah.

0:36:140:36:19

Yeah. And of course, you learn a different kind of language

0:36:190:36:23

-when you play people like McEnroe, don't you?

-LAUGHTER

0:36:230:36:25

All sorts of unusual English words!

0:36:250:36:29

Yes. Every word is new for me there.

0:36:290:36:31

LAUGHTER

0:36:310:36:34

When you play a bad shot, and you feel like letting off steam,

0:36:340:36:38

do you curse in German or English?

0:36:380:36:42

-Well, I started to yell in...Romanian.

-Romanian.

0:36:420:36:47

LAUGHTER

0:36:470:36:49

Cos now, German journalists are coming to tournaments

0:36:490:36:53

and English, of course, so I have to yell in Romanian.

0:36:530:36:56

Yes, of course.

0:36:560:36:58

Yeah. John McEnroe said last week,

0:36:580:37:00

and I know you don't pay any attention to him,

0:37:000:37:03

but he said that if you continue to throw yourself around the court

0:37:030:37:07

the way you do, you'll be an old man before you're 21.

0:37:070:37:10

-You'll do some damage to yourself.

-Yes.

0:37:100:37:13

-KNOCKS ON TABLE So far, nothing happen to me.

-I hope you don't think that was wood.

0:37:130:37:18

LAUGHTER

0:37:180:37:21

You just knocked on plastic, then!

0:37:210:37:23

LAUGHTER

0:37:230:37:25

But... I'm not diving on hard court, or not very often.

0:37:250:37:29

-You're not that foolish.

-No. But I like to dive on grass, for example.

0:37:290:37:34

Good feeling to land on the old grass and bounce up again.

0:37:340:37:37

-You could have been a footballer.

-Er...

0:37:370:37:40

Yes, I used to play soccer a little bit, but when I was younger.

0:37:400:37:43

-Yeah.

-LAUGHTER

0:37:430:37:45

From what they say, you could... There's a man taking photographs.

0:37:450:37:49

LAUGHTER

0:37:490:37:51

You could have been a top footballer.

0:37:510:37:53

What made you decide on tennis?

0:37:530:37:55

Well, my whole family play tennis.

0:37:550:37:57

My father was the hometown president of my tennis club and so,

0:37:570:38:01

I got involved in tennis more than football.

0:38:010:38:04

What about your social life?

0:38:040:38:05

Have you any time for a social life with the tournaments

0:38:050:38:09

-and going around playing here and there?

-Er...

0:38:090:38:13

Well, not very much, you know?

0:38:130:38:16

I'm playing a lot of tennis, but sometimes I'm reading...

0:38:160:38:20

I started to read now, because my coach said it's good for me...

0:38:200:38:23

Reading?

0:38:230:38:25

-Yeah.

-Does your coach allow you to go out with girls?

-Er...

0:38:250:38:28

Well... LAUGHTER

0:38:280:38:31

Er... I... Yes, I do like girls, but my coach...

0:38:320:38:36

LAUGHTER

0:38:360:38:38

..doesn't like it so much.

0:38:380:38:40

How does it feel to be a tax exile in Monte Carlo at 17?

0:38:400:38:45

-Well, I moved there already one year ago.

-You were a tax exile at 16!

0:38:450:38:50

LAUGHTER

0:38:500:38:52

And I didn't win any money, then. One year ago.

0:38:520:38:56

And, for example, it's my only place where I can be just for myself.

0:38:560:39:01

I can walk on the street and I'm watching the people,

0:39:010:39:04

they are walking, they are not watching me, I'm watching them.

0:39:040:39:07

And so, I like it very much.

0:39:070:39:10

It's nice weather and many possibilities there.

0:39:100:39:14

-For freedom and being yourself.

-Yeah.

-Good.

0:39:140:39:17

Well, we hope that your continued success

0:39:170:39:20

won't restrict your freedom any more and thank you for joining us.

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-Thank you.

-Good to see you.

-APPLAUSE AND CHEERING

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We'll end today with more fresh-faced young men.

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Way back in 1991, we welcomed a group of unknowns who,

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I'll be honest, didn't stand out that much from other pop groups.

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And the song wasn't perhaps one of their best.

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But still, this is a chunk of TV gold.

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It's Take That, all five of them,

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with Promises, their first Top 40 hit.

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In fact, it reached the giddy heights of number 38.

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SCREAMING AND APPLAUSE

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Here we go!

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# Standing back, I can't believe

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# How you've led me on

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# And judging by the things you say

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# There's got to be something wrong

0:40:450:40:48

# What you telling me that

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# For when you don't mean it?

0:40:510:40:53

# What you telling me that

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# For I don't believe it?

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# Your promises never been anything you made them seem

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# So, what you gonna promise me this time?

0:41:010:41:05

# You're telling lies so plain to see

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# You're trying to make a fool of me

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# So, what you gonna promise me this time?

0:41:100:41:13

# I never know

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# Seems like I've been playing your game

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# And now you think you've won

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# But when you count up what you've gained

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# You're the lonely one

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# What you telling me that

0:41:340:41:36

# For when you don't mean it?

0:41:360:41:38

# What you telling me that

0:41:380:41:41

# For I don't believe it?

0:41:410:41:44

# Your promises never been anything you made them seem

0:41:440:41:48

# So, what you gonna promise me this time?

0:41:480:41:51

# You're telling lies so plain to see

0:41:510:41:54

# You're trying to make a fool of me

0:41:540:41:56

# So, what you gonna promise me this time?

0:41:560:42:00

# Your promises never been anything you made them seem

0:42:000:42:04

# So, what you gonna promise me this time?

0:42:040:42:08

# You're telling lies so plain to see

0:42:080:42:11

# You're trying to make a fool of me

0:42:110:42:13

# So, what you gonna promise me this time?

0:42:130:42:17

# I wanna know

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Let's go!

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OK, boys!

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# Promises, promises

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# What you telling me that

0:42:420:42:44

# For when you don't mean it?

0:42:440:42:46

# What you telling me that

0:42:460:42:48

# For I don't believe it?

0:42:480:42:51

# Your promises never been anything you made them seem

0:42:510:42:55

# So, what you gonna promise me this time?

0:42:550:42:58

# You're telling lies so plain to see

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# You're trying to make a fool of me

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# So, what you gonna promise me this time?

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# Your promises. #

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Thank you!

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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

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Who could have predicted that they'd rise to such dizzy heights?

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Well, that's it today. We've got more next time, so do join me again.

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