Lleisiau Patagonia 1902


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-Why did your parents come to Canada?

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-Well, things in Patagonia

-looked quite grim.

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-Voices from the past.

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-Welsh speakers who

-left Patagonia in South America...

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-..to live in western Canada in 1974.

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-What do you remember

-about school in Patagonia?

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-Everybody looked at

-the Argentine flag and said...

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-SPEAKS SPANISH

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-But perhaps they were

-no longer Welsh-speaking Welsh....

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-..but Argentineans

-of Welsh descent...

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-..because

-they left Patagonia in 1902...

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-..and emigrated to Canada.

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-For my father, he did not want to

-stay under the Argentine government.

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-The Welsh-speaking Welsh

-who had never lived in Wales.

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-In 1974, I had the opportunity...

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-..to travel all over Canada...

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-..and I did 8,000 miles in total...

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-..and visited the Welsh community

-who lived in Canada.

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-It was Glenys James' task to gather

-information about the Welsh...

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-..who lived in Canada

-by recording interviews...

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-..with as many of them as possible

-for the Museum of Man in Quebec...

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-..that was collating data

-on all the different nations...

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-..who had migrated to Canada.

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-I arrived in Saskatchewan...

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-..where the largest

-Welsh community had settled.

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-They had all come from Argentina...

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-..in 1902.

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-Now then, Mrs Humphreys...

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-..you were born in Patagonia.

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-Yes, in Llannerch Ddu.

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-In which year?

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-In which year?

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-1883.

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-I think my father, for one thing,

-didn't like the irrigating.

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-He didn't have enough water.

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-Mrs Humphreys was a young woman

-when she left Patagonia in 1902.

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-She lived in Chubut Province, at

-the extreme end of the water table.

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-Often, there was no water left

-in the ditches for their crops.

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-Her father

-saw no harvest for three years.

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-The Argentine government

-was keen for the settlers...

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-..to become

-part of their new country.

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-This meant

-the end of Welsh-medium education...

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-..something that had thrived since

-the colony was founded in 1865.

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-Each class would stand in a line...

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-..and everyone took off their cap...

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-..looked at

-the Argentine flag and said...

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-SPEAKS SPANISH

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-The boys,

-when they came of age at 18...

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-..they enrolled them into the army,

-and Father didn't want that.

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-He said, "I wouldn't mind if it was

-just the British or the Americans...

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-"..but not for the Spanish army."

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-Margaret Ann Lewis' parents were

-part of the largest contingent...

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-..to leave Wales for Patagonia.

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-More than 400

-sailed on the Vesta in 1886.

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-But the Promised Land

-was full of disappointment.

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-It was an empty promise, in truth.

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-Father was one of the first ones

-going into the valley...

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-..and he was promised

-a piece of land that he never got.

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-The pilgrims who went to Patagonia

-saw themselves as a biblical tribe.

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-A tribe of people

-scraping a living in the wilderness.

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-In 1899, tragedy struck,

-like something out of the Bible...

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-..as the Chubut River flooded...

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-..forcing the Welsh

-to flee to the hills.

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-Many homes disappeared underwater...

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-..and it was years before they

-regained fertile soil to grow crops.

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-This, above all else,

-gave rise to a number of them...

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-..leaving South America

-for the far north.

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-The biggest thing for my father...

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-..he didn't want to stay

-under the Argentine government.

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-He didn't like them. He hadn't

-taken Argentine citizenship.

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-He remained British throughout.

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-There was sadness and unrest

-in the colony by 1900.

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-Applications were made

-to the Westminster government...

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-..requesting it to intervene.

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-The British government

-was ready to listen.

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-They wanted the settlers

-to return to the Empire...

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-..of which Canada was a part.

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-Canada had acres

-of unpopulated territories...

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-..and the Patagonians

-wanted fertile soil to farm.

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-The British government

-was happy to help...

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-..offering them

-affordable land in Canada...

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-..at a time

-when so many families were unhappy.

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-There's no wonder that 234 of them

-agreed to move to Canada.

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-Those who wished to leave South

-America were offered a ticket...

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-..to sail all the way to Liverpool

-and then onwards to Quebec...

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-..for the price

-of five pounds per family.

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-It was a bargain for a new life.

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-Among the passengers were

-John Coslett Thomas and his family.

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-The Welsh were so disheartened...

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-..that so many of us

-were leaving together.

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-They accompanied us

-to Puerto Madryn...

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-..as many adults as passengers.

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-And to Trelew before that,

-many more of all ages.

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-There was much sobbing

-as we bid farewell in both places.

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-May 14, 1902.

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-How did you come, as a family?

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-More than 200 of us came together.

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-234 families came.

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-We were given cheap travel...

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-..and didn't have to

-go through customs at all.

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-All you had to do was label

-your belongings, "settlers effects".

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-You didn't

-have to open a box or anything.

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-We boarded the ship

-the night before...

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-..and on the morning of the 13th

-it was my 18th birthday.

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-We were leaving Liverpool

-on my birthday.

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-I remember a five-year-old child

-being buried at sea...

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-..between Liverpool and Canada.

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-I remember the ship's captain

-singing in Welsh.

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-They sung

-Yn y Dyfroedd Mawr a'r Tonnau.

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-Hearing these voices is captivating.

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-Eyewitnesses to a harsh history...

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-..including a sad story

-of a child dying at sea.

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-These passengers

-were part of a colony...

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-..and now

-they were going to create a new one.

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-Filled with both fear and hope...

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-..they turned their sights

-to a new horizon.

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-The future.

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-This is what the president

-of Winnipeg's Welsh Society...

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-..had to say on 25 June 1902.

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-"More than

-200 of Patagonia's Welsh settlers...

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-"..arrived in the city.

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-"They looked tired

-after their journey.

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-"During the long voyage, three

-children died and four were born.

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-"The men looked good

-but the women looked exhausted.

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-"They all looked like brave souls,

-especially the women."

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-And then you boarded the train

-to Saltcoats.

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-And onwards from Saltcoats,

-we travelled 12 miles.

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-We lived in tents...

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-..for some, oh, five weeks.

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-Enough time for people to find farms

-and modes of transport.

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-Some had oxen, some had horses

-and wagons to take them around.

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-Each one

-went to his own smallholding.

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-We must've been there

-six weeks or more.

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-Nain and Taid Evans

-came out in 1902...

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-..to Saltcoats, Saskatchewan.

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-They lived in tents for

-the first summer when they arrived.

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-The first winter,

-they built their homes from logs.

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-Each of the houses

-was made out of logs.

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-That's how those homesteaders lived

-in the early years.

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-During winter they had to

-clear the snow to get out...

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-..because it was

-higher than the front door.

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-They stood on top of a chair

-to get out to feed the animals.

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-They had an awful time

-the first winter they were there.

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-The weather was very different.

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-I'm sure it was.

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-We hadn't seen snow.

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-You'd never seen snow?

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-You'd never seen snow?

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-Well, just a bit.

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-You saw lots

-when you arrived in Canada.

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-Yes, we saw lots.

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-People had a hard time

-when they first come out to Canada.

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-They weren't prepared

-for the severe winters.

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-We thought

-we were bringing warm coats out...

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-..from Patagonia,

-but they were summer coats...

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-..compared to

-the ones they used in Canada.

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-Four colonies

-had been earmarked for the Welsh.

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-Each family

-was given 160 acres of land.

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-It wasn't very fertile land...

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-..and many areas

-were too wet to farm.

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-These people knew

-how to deal with life's trials...

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-..having lived in Patagonia,

-where the wind was brutal...

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-..and the sun scorched the land.

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-They needed

-every ounce of expertise...

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-..to tame

-the unfamiliar landscape...

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-..to create new homes in Canada.

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-The early period was very hard.

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-In January 1903,

-six months after they arrived...

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-..a list was compiled

-of those who were most in need.

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-In 1902, 234 adults and children...

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-..left Patagonia for Saskatchewan...

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-..in Canada...

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-..to create

-a better life for themselves.

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-The Welsh helped each other.

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-If someone

-was going to buy a cow or a steer...

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-..people would go together.

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-They were allowed 160 acres, but

-in order to fully acquire them...

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-..30 acres had to be farmed

-within three years.

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-They had to live there for

-no less than six months of the year.

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-If they

-didn't plough their farmland...

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-..they'd

-lose their right to the land.

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-John Coslett Thomas again.

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-A good crop again in the third year.

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-Now farming on too big a scale...

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-..to continue

-with only one set of machinery.

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-After taking ownership of his land,

-John opened a store in Saltcoats.

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-The community was expanding

-and trading opportunities arose.

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-The country was opening up as Welsh

-communities settled in the west.

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-Towns like Llywelyn,

-Bangor Glyndwr and St David.

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-But these weren't unpopulated areas.

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-People had settled here long before

-the Welsh or the white man.

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-You were the first

-to come to Bangor?

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-Yes, that's right.

-My father first came here in 1908.

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-My father named it Bangor...

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-..because

-he was from Bangor, North Wales.

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-Mr Lewis was a carpenter,

-and it was he who built...

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-..Bangor, Attwater and Llywelyn.

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-Bangor

-was first established in 1908.

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-Before that, we went to Saltcoats

-to buy our goods...

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-..which was 18 miles away.

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-Thomas Hughes came here in 1906.

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-In 1907, he moved

-across the road to Barnes Hall.

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-He built a house there

-and kept a store, a butcher's shop.

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-He travelled around...

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-..with a buggy.

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-He sold meat, some groceries...

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-..candy and pop.

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-A lot of the meat

-looked a little old...

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-..by the time it came back...

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-..after being

-out in the sun all day.

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-But there was more to life

-than work, farming and building.

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-The Welsh had transferred

-their customs from Wales...

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-..to South America, and then Canada.

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-You went to the Welsh chapel?

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-Well, not right away,

-I don't think.

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-In Patagonia, of course,

-we went to chapel three times a day.

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-Morning, noon and evening.

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-But in this country, we didn't

-have a chapel for a long while.

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-Sunday school

-was conducted in Welsh...

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-..apart from one English class.

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-The men

-were on one side of the chapel...

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-..and the women in the middle.

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-The English class was held

-on the other side of the chapel.

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-People found this odd.

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-All the men were on one side

-of the chapel and the women...

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-..were sitting in another section.

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-We liked the arrangement...

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-..because we could sing better.

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-We had support

-in the tenor and bass sections.

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-But it soon became apparent...

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-..that there

-wouldn't be a colony in Canada...

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-..like the one

-they left in Patagonia.

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-The Welsh language

-was sure to drown...

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-..in an English-speaking country.

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-Yet everyone

-knew the importance of an education.

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-Within two years they'd

-built a school for the children.

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-William Davies

-recalls the first morning...

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-..and the linguistic problems.

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-There were 30

-starting school that morning...

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-..ranging in age

-from six to 15, 16.

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-You could count on one hand

-how many of them understood English.

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-The rest of us knew no English.

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-Most of us spoke Spanish.

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-We went to school.

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-Welsh to start with...

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-..and then Spanish.

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-When we came to Canada,

-we had to learn English.

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-So we had

-some kind of three languages...

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-..and not one proper language.

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-I remember

-the eisteddfodau at school...

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-..at Magic School...

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-..when I was a child.

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-Competition. And recitations.

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-Solos. Competition.

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-Everything was competitions,

-most in Welsh.

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-Was it just the children

-who competed, or did the adults too?

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-No, some adults too

-but mostly children.

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-The Welsh create an eisteddfod

-and compete wherever they go.

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-Who'd have thought!

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-As Glenys James

-interviewed them in Canada...

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-..memories of Patagonia

-were recalled.

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-Nine years before that...

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-..many interviewees

-visited Patagonia...

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-..as part of

-the centenary celebrations.

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-For William Davies,

-it was an impoverished sight.

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-It's humble there. I wouldn't

-want to live there any more.

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-You're happy that you left?

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-Yes, very happy. It's much better

-for us here in many ways.

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-Naturally, this triggered memories

-of the colony for William Davies...

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-..who'd heard so much

-about his father's early life.

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-My father went there as a boy

-of five and a half years.

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-My grandmother died

-a few weeks after landing there.

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-She's buried

-somewhere on the beach near Madryn.

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-Nobody knows where.

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-My grandfather died

-about two years later.

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-Nobody knows what they suffered.

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-Your father?

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-Yes, and the first settlers.

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-I remember him saying, "No-one knows

-how much they suffered."

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-At the time of the Great Depression

-of the '30s, he'd say...

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-.."Don't talk to me about hard

-times. You know nothing about it.

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-"You don't know

-what hard times are."

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-Oral tradition

-can bring the past to life.

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-It's a means of passing on the story

-from one generation to the other.

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-We can listen to these voices now...

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-..and swear that we're

-hearing our forefathers speaking.

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-These voices

-belong to brave souls...

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-..who ventured to Canada,

-not knowing what awaited them...

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-..to establish a new Welsh colony.

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-They, of course, were the children

-of those who had also ventured...

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-..like the parents

-of Margaret Lewis.

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-They were

-just married a day or so before...

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-..and they'd heard of these

-going to Patagonia.

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-They said, "We'll sell out and go

-with them to this new country...

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-"..and make a start"

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-So they got down there

-and there was nothing in the port.

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-Nothing there at all,

-only a few corrugated zinc houses.

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-Where were you born?

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-In South America.

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-What about Welsh?

-Did you speak Welsh at home?

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-Yes, we spoke Welsh at home.

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-We went to Bangor...

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-..and started mixing

-with the English.

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-We didn't

-speak much Welsh after that.

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-72 years had passed...

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-..since these Patagonians

-left Puerto Madryn...

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-..and settled in Saskatchewan.

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-Glenys James wanted to know...

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-..what condition the Welsh was in

-in western Canada.

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-How many children did you have?

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-Nine.

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-Did you teach them Welsh?

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-Oh, yes, they all spoke Welsh.

-They still understand it.

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-They've moved around

-and married English people...

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-..so they don't practise it now.

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-Do they speak Welsh at all

-when they come home?

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-Very little.

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-I asked one woman and she said,

-"I always speak Welsh...

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-"..when I phone

-Mrs Humphreys or Mrs Morris."

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-They contacted each other in Welsh.

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-If they couldn't remember

-the Welsh word for something...

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-..they turned to Spanish.

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-Do you think the Welsh are different

-from the other founders in the area?

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-Yes. The other founders retain

-their language, but not the Welsh.

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-How do you think your family

-managed to maintain the language?

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-We spoke it at home and

-chapel services were in Welsh too.

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-The story of the Welsh language

-in this colony...

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-..is sad, considerably sadder

-than the colony in Patagonia...

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-..for many reasons.

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-The number of Welsh speakers

-is small, too small...

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-..and the presence of English

-is too strong.

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-Welsh society and culture

-can't be sustained...

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-..without a good nucleus

-of Welsh speakers.

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-Because he married

-a girl from Patagonia, Megan...

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-..John Thomas documented

-the Canadian colony's history...

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-..a continent away from the other.

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-After the first war,

-the colony went down.

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-The men went away

-and the colony weakened.

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-As a result...

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-..the eisteddfod

-that used to be held in Bangor...

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-..and the cymanfa ganu

-came to an end.

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-We used to sing

-at people's gravesides.

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-We'd sing the hymn

-O Fryniau Caersalem Ceir Gweled.

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-In the end,

-only one or two would sing the hymn.

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-Nobody else knew the words.

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-We had to give up this ritual.

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-When did this happen?

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-Around 1945, 1946.

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-After the war?

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-After the war?

-

-Yes, after the war.

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-We tried our best to keep it up...

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-..but there weren't enough voices

-to maintain it.

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-Do you still feel

-that you are Welsh?

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-Very much so. That's one thing

-that's in my blood.

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-Emigrating to a world

-that's hopefully better.

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-For the immigrants, a combination

-of experience and poverty.

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-Concerns about their families

-and nervous hope for the future.

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-And the brave decision

-to venture there in the first place.

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-But it's impossible to settle

-in a new country without changing.

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-Changing identify

-and, through that, changing oneself.

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-These people aren't saying goodbye

-to Wales but rather their Welshness.

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-That's the price they must pay

-for the right to choose a future.

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-I was in a Welsh colony

-all my life, you see.

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