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-Lowvi volled down the voad.

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-Lowri rolled down the road.

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-Lowvi volled down the voad.

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-Lowrri rrolled down the rroad.

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-Lowrri rrolled down the rroad.

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-Dearr me!

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-Lowri rolled down the road.

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-Why is that sentence difficult

-to say, you might ask.

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-There are hundreds of people

-in Wales...

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-..who simply can't pronounce

-the 21st letter of the alphabet...

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-..without sounding

-like very angry tigers...

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-..or as if an old motorbike engine

-has been lodged in their throats.

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-Some say that it's down to laziness.

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-Others say

-it's an inherited family trait.

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-What's the purpose

-of this programme?

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-I have no idea!

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-Oh, yes, to see if we can reverse

-a person's habit of a lifetime...

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-..and get them to pronounce

-that difficult letter...

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-..without massacring it.

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-One of the worst places for me

-to visit is the superrmarrket.

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-Dilwyn Morgan, we're standing

-by Thomas Charles's statue...

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-..although that's not

-what we're here to discuss.

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-When did you realize

-you had an impediment?

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-I'm not really sure.

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-I have no early recollection of it.

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-I'm sure I said R perfectly

-when I was at primary school.

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-But once I started

-secondary school...

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-..the other children

-started to mock me.

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-It took me a while

-to acknowledge it.

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-It's become so much of a problem...

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-..that I've had to settle in Bala...

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-..rather than somewhere

-like Aberdaron!

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-It's easier to say,

-"I'm from Bala."

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-Of course it is, yes.

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-At secondary school...

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-..was it difficult

-when children made fun of you?

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-Yes. Children can be cruel at times.

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-It was only

-after leaving secondary school...

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-..that I became self-conscious

-about it.

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-Even today, if I'm writing a script

-or trying to learn lines...

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-..I'll change certain words

-to avoid having to sound lots of Rs.

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-We're about to embark

-on a challenge...

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-..to change Mr Dilwyn Morgan's

-pronunciation.

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-Is it something you'd welcome?

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-It might help

-my future job prospects...

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-..and allow me to act

-in Pobol Y Cwm or radio plays.

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-It might even help me when I'm

-compering YFC eisteddfodau...

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-..and have to announce

-that a winner is from Y Rhiw.

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-I'll try my best.

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-It is here, to Alltwen Hospital,

-just outside Tremadog...

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-..that Dilwyn Morgan will come...

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-..to meet Marian Trythall,

-a speech and language therapist.

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-Having difficulty

-pronouncing the letter R...

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-..is a common problem in Wales.

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-It's more apparent

-in the Welsh language...

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-..but happens more often

-when English is spoken in Wales.

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-The letter R...

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-..is pronounced as a rrr...

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-..a wuh...

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-..a vuh, and sometimes a vrr.

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-It's more prevalent among boys.

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-We usually see four boys

-to every girl.

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-We don't tend to see

-as many adults...

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-That may be because adults

-are more reluctant...

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-..to visit a speech therapist.

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-It's hard to determine how many

-adults say rr, vuh, wuh or thuh.

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-Are you nervous, Dilwyn?

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-I'm anxious because I've never

-thought of doing such a thing.

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-I have no idea what's in store.

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-To be completely honest...

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-..my heart is pounding

-at the moment...

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-..as if I was about

-to go into an exam.

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-I'm genuinely anxious.

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-But I'm going in, cap in hand...

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-..and we'll see what she has to say.

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-Good luck.

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-Good luck.

-

-Thank you.

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-We're here today

-to work on the R sound. Am I right?

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-Yes. I have no idea what I'm in for!

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-I must admit, I'm anxious.

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-I can tell, but there's no need

-to worry about a thing.

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-How would you describe the problem

-of pronouncing your Rs?

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-It's difficult to say the letter

-on its own.

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-When it occurs in a word,

-I can disguise it...

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-..but having to say...

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-..rr.

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-I could say rr.

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-No, I can't say it.

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-Rr is the natural way

-for me to pronounce it.

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-How does it sound to you?

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-How does it sound to you?

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-Awful.

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-Because it's by itself,

-I can't disguise it in a sentence.

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-I can't lower my voice.

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-If I know

-I'm about to say a lot of Rs...

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-..I'm sure I've taught myself

-to kind of skip over them.

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-Give me a long R again.

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-Give me a long R again.

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-Rrr.

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-When you make that R sound,

-as you've just proven...

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-..you're pronouncing it correctly.

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-There's a trill and the tongue

-goes up and down like that.

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-You can do it when it's a long R...

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-..but you can't do it

-when it's a short R.

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-Of course, when we speak,

-that's what's required.

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-You're not going to go around

-saying br-r-r-other!

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-It has to come naturally...

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-..otherwise there are going to be

-big gaps in my sentences.

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-You have to practise the short Rs...

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-..so that you become familiar

-with that sound.

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-How will you go about practising?

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-First, I have to find a place

-where I can do it.

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-It's not something

-you can do in public.

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-I can't walk around Bala

-making funny noises.

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-Speak to your wife

-or whoever's at home.

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-I try not to.

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-I try not to.

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-What? Speak to your wife?

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-If I sit with her

-on the sofa tonight...

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-..and go rrr, rrr...

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-..she'll think I need to go and

-see a different kind of therapist!

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-It's not something

-a wife and husband do on the sofa.

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-Seriously, I'd prefer

-to do it somewhere private.

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-OK, that's fine.

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-Perhaps you should practise

-in the mirror.

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-Use a mirror like this...

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-..when you're

-in your own private space...

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-..where no-one else can see you.

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-You can control it

-and see how you produce that sound.

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-Rrr.

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-Rrr.

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-That's it.

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-You're starting to slip back a bit

-but at least you're aware of it.

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-Will I change the way I sound?

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-Do you want to change

-the way you sound?

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-I want to know it's possible

-to change the way I sound.

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-Good answer.

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-It's your choice.

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-I have a problem

-because I have a little dog.

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-If I change

-the way I speak too much...

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-..he won't realize

-I'm the one calling him.

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-He's called Rrrover!

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-We're still in the Penllyn area.

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-It's said that numerous people here

-mispronounce their Rs.

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-I'm joined by Ifan Davies,

-a former farrier...

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-..and Iwan Bryn Williams.

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-Is it true that mispronouncing R

-is a phenomenon in this area?

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-We're both

-from the Glan-yr-afon area.

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-It was more prevalent there

-than anywhere else.

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-Some said rr like Llwyd o'r Bryn...

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-..while others said vuh...

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-..like the Llwyn Isa' family.

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-My family doesn't say rr,

-so what do we say?

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-You say vuh.

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-Vuh is a second-class rr!

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-The R sound has been softened.

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-The other rr is a harsh sound.

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-When you spoke to Llwyd o'r Bryn...

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-..who entered all the eisteddfod's

-recitation competitions...

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-..he pronounced his Rs harshly.

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-He took great delight

-in reciting poems.

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-"Lorri Llandyrrnog fel sybmarrin yn

-rrheibio'r llaeth heb adael dim...

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-"..ond gloywon dyfrrllyd

-o'rr enw sgim."

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-He chose these pieces to recite

-and they were littered with Rs!

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-Could your father say R, Iwan?

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-People said he couldn't,

-but I couldn't tell.

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-Of course, when I speak...

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-..I can say plenty of words

-containing the letter R.

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-To me, I pronounce it correctly.

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-Maybe you do pronounce it correctly.

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-Maybe you do pronounce it correctly.

-

-It's possible...

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-..but he says I say vuh.

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-No, rr is the correct way

-of saying it!

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-There are certain areas of Wales...

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-..where the mispronunciation

-of the letter R is more prominent.

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-Bala is one example, as are parts

-of the Lleyn Peninsula.

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-In those regions, the pronunciation

-tends to be rrr instead of r.

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-As we head down to Aberystwyth...

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-..there is a tendency to say vuh.

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-As we head further south...

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-..down to Pembrokeshire...

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-..there are further

-mispronunciations of the letter R.

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-It's time for a short break now.

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-Join us in part two to see

-if Dilwyn Morgan succeeds...

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-..in overcoming his impediment.

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-.

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-Subtitles

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-Subtitles

-

-Subtitles

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-Welcome back.

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-We're back at Alltwen Hospital

-near Tremadog.

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-Dilwyn Morgan

-is having his second session...

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-..with speech and language therapist

-Marian Trythall.

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-Let's see how he's getting along.

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-Instead of pronouncing the R sound

-in the first syllable of a word...

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-..we'll begin with vowels

-preceding the R sound.

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-Here's a list of them,

-beginning with vowels.

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-Ar, er, ir, or...

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-..ur, wr, yr.

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-Thinking of pronouncing those words

-is a nightmare for me.

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-I'm not sure if I can,

-to be honest with you.

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-If I just looked at that and forgot

-everything you taught me...

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-..I'd say arr...

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-..err, irr...

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-..orr, urr...

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-..wrr, yrr...

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-Already, I can feel that it's gone

-back to the back of my throat.

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-You're aware that's the old way,

-so try and do it the new way.

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-Ar.

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-Ar.

-

-And now the old way.

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-Arr.

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-Er. Err.

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-Ir. Irr.

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-Yr. Yrr.

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-OK, fine.

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-OK, fine.

-

-I can hear a difference.

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-But it feels uncomfortable somehow.

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-Yes.

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-This time, try these.

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-Our aim is to get you...

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-..to transfer this sound

-from a singular sound to a word.

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-Most of these words...

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-..are words

-I would try to avoid saying.

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-Ar, yr, i'r, o'r...

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-..mae'r...

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-..dwrr, dwr...

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-..mor...

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-..hir...

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-..corr, cor.

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-Corr. Corr. Cor.

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-Phew! Cor. I'd just have to use

-another word instead.

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-As a compere,

-I know you introduce choirs...

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-..and you have to say

-the word cor (choir) often.

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-The most difficult one to pronounce

-is Cor Godre'r Aran.

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-They'll either have to change

-their name or find another compere!

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-I've been at functions with them

-in the past...

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-..and it has worried me

-how I was going to introduce them.

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-Let's move on to simple sentences.

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-"Mae'r bwyd yn neis."

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-"'Dw i'n hoffi pupur."

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-"'Dw i eisiau papur."

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-"'Dw i'n bwyta fy swper.

-Mae gen i gitar."

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-OK. How did that feel?

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-Fine.

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-It feels fine

-but it doesn't sound right somehow.

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-It doesn't sound like...

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-What you're meant to say?

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-No, it sounds worse in a way.

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-Work it out for yourself.

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-You have to practise and practise

-until you're confident.

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-If you're going to practise

-saying a sentence...

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-..choose the words

-you are going to say...

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-..so that you know

-when the Rs are coming up.

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-Perhaps that would help you.

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-It'd be good to know how you get on

-and other people's reactions.

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-There we go. Thank you very much.

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-Thank you very much.

-See you next week.

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-The further south-west

-you go in Wales...

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-..the less likely you are

-to hear rr.

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-You're entering vuh territory

-in these parts.

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-We're in Tregaron, home

-of the most famous vuh in Wales.

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-Ifan, if it was available

-as a Christmas gift...

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-..would you want to say

-your Rs correctly?

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-No, I don't think so.

-It's too late now.

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-It should have happened

-about 50 years ago.

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-It's an inherent part of you...

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-..and part of your stage persona,

-isn't it?

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-Probably, but I've never been

-extremely self-conscious of it.

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-I remember doing a TV sketch

-with John Ogwen...

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-..in which I had to teach John...

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-..how to play a character

-with a speech impediment.

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-John's big retort was,

-"Like you, then."

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-I was making fun of myself.

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-That's the way I've always spoken.

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-I think there have been members

-of my family throughout the years...

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-..with the same impediment, although

-it's never been glaringly obvious.

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-I'm glad I'm not a sheepdog...

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-..because I could

-never growl at anybody!

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-Yes, that's true.

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-When did you first realize

-that you had this impediment...

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-..if you ever did realize at all?

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-I remember my father

-pointing it out to me.

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-I'd heard my parents discussing it.

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-My father could pronounce his Rs

-correctly, whereas I can't.

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-He'd pronounce his Rs...

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-..like revving a motorbike.

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-He tried to get me to do the same.

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-I'd go vvvvvvvv!

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-I just couldn't do it.

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-Did they have the impediment?

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-Did they have the impediment?

-

-No, not at all.

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-Neither of them had difficulty.

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-I've obviously inherited the gene

-from way back.

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-Some do say

-that it runs in families.

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-I think I have some relatives

-who share the same problem...

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-..but it's not awful.

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-If a parent

-mispronounces the R sound...

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-..one would assume

-that offspring would do the same...

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-..but that isn't necessarily

-the case.

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-There's a chance it might happen,

-but it's not certain.

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-We can't say why it happens...

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-..but children learn

-from different models.

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-It's rare that both parents have

-difficulty pronouncing their Rs...

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-..but they do provide models

-for the children to follow.

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-In Bala and areas of Lleyn,

-the impediment runs in families.

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-Whether it's because the parents

-set that model...

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-..or whether it is simply inherited,

-we don't yet know.

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-# Hen wrrr, hen wrrr

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-# O'rrr Sioned

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-# Mae'ch gwallt a'ch barrrf yn wyn #

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-What was the song you sung called?

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-The song was called Ynys Yr Hud.

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-Would you like me to sing it now?

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-"Hen wr, hen wr o'r Sioned"

-was the first line, if I remember.

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-It doesn't sound

-quite like you sung it as a child.

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-No, it's changed a great deal.

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-It was many years ago,

-for one thing.

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-I was six years old

-when I recorded it.

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-Dad wanted someone to sing and he

-had the perfect person at home - me!

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-They played the song back to me

-and I didn't hear the melody...

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-..or the sweet little voice

-or the tuneful music.

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-All I heard

-was this awful rr sound.

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-I still remember it to this day.

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-It sounds so much worse

-when you hear it back too.

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-You were six at the time and

-a few years have passed since then.

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-Where did the rr go?

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-It's completely disappeared.

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-It more or less vanished overnight.

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-I used to make strange noises

-while singing...

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-..and this rr noise

-used to come out.

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-After that, there was no going back.

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-You're married with children.

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-Is the rr heard at home?

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-When the children were small,

-they both had difficulty saying R.

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-It disappeared overnight

-with them too.

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-They no longer say it, whereas

-my husband still has the impediment.

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-He's stuck with it.

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-Another week has gone by.

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-Tell me how you've been

-dealing with this rr sound.

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-I've tried it

-in the shop and in the pub...

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-..and I've been able

-to pronounce my Rs correctly.

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-Some people

-haven't noticed at all...

0:21:040:21:08

-..but one of my friends

-looked me up and down...

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-..asked me what was wrong

-and if I was feeling alright.

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-Right.

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-I've tried it

-in front of family members...

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-..and they haven't noticed

-while I've been chatting naturally.

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-My daughter said, "Please stop it

-because you're not yourself."

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-I sounded different to her.

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-I think what you're saying now...

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-..for your daughter,

-perhaps it's true.

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-You're Dad

-and that's how Dad speaks.

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-The more I practise...

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-..it's becoming easier to pronounce

-the R correctly in some words.

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-But it's difficult

-because it still sounds like rrrr.

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-I've been singing in the car,

-for example.

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-To my surprise, certain words

-have come easily to me.

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-I've thought, that sounded perfect.

-It's incredible.

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-It's definitely possible to change.

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-Try saying the name

-of a certain choir...

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-..that you found difficult

-to pronounce.

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-Cor Godre'r Aran.

0:22:180:22:21

-There we go.

0:22:210:22:23

-There we go.

-

-What's the next step from here?

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-It's up to you

-if you want to continue.

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-I'm very grateful to you.

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-As I told you at the beginning...

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-..it's something that worried me

-a great deal when I was younger.

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-I never thought I could actually...

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-It's been very emotional,

-to be honest.

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-It's no big deal...

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-..trying to change the way

-you say one small letter...

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-..but you've showed me

-that it's possible.

0:22:540:22:57

-I'll still practise some words.

0:22:580:22:59

-I'll still practise some words.

-

-Well done.

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-That's the end of the programme.

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-As you've seen and heard

-during the past half an hour...

0:23:050:23:10

-..there is a way

-of getting rid of that rr or vuh.

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-But having said that,

-why would we want to?

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-Isn't it just part

-of our Welsh identity...

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-..and something to be proud of?

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