David Lloyd George: Yncl Dafydd

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-"I do not have a speech...	0:00:12	0:00:15
-"..but merely words of address -to welcome you."	0:00:15	0:00:21
-David Lloyd George was one -of the most notable, colourful...	0:00:21	0:00:26
-..and complex politicians -of the 20th century.	0:00:26	0:00:30
-He's the only Welshman -to be the British Prime Minister.	0:00:30	0:00:34
-The story of Lloyd George -is truly extraordinary.	0:00:34	0:00:38
-This lad from Llanystumdwy who had -very little formal education...	0:00:39	0:00:44
-..got the most important job -in the land.	0:00:44	0:00:47
-He was a local lad to some extend.	0:00:49	0:00:52
-He loved Llanystumdwy, Porthmadog -and Criccieth but it wasn't enough.	0:00:52	0:00:57
-Lloyd George -was a dynamo of a man...	0:00:59	0:01:02
-..full of enthusiasm and energy.	0:01:03	0:01:05
-He influenced everyone around him.	0:01:05	0:01:08
-He had a great deal -of political imagination.	0:01:12	0:01:15
-He was a true radical...	0:01:16	0:01:18
-..who differed from his counterparts -of his time.	0:01:18	0:01:23
-But for me -and the rest of my family...	0:01:25	0:01:29
-..he's more than a politician, -a radical and man who won the war.	0:01:29	0:01:34
-He's our Uncle Dafydd.	0:01:34	0:01:36
-I'm Manon George, -a descendent of Lloyd George.	0:01:50	0:01:53
-It's 100 years since he became -the British Prime Minister...	0:01:54	0:01:58
-..and the family has been invited -to a party in London...	0:01:58	0:02:02
-..so it's the perfect time -to learn more about my great uncle.	0:02:02	0:02:06
-I'll visit his haunts and listen to -his voice to learn more about him.	0:02:06	0:02:12
-There's no better place to start -than home...	0:02:12	0:02:15
-..in Criccieth and Llanystumdwy.	0:02:15	0:02:18
-Lloyd George carved his initials -on this bridge at Llanystumdwy.	0:02:29	0:02:35
-It's something that reminds us...	0:02:35	0:02:39
-..that this is where -his story began.	0:02:39	0:02:42
-We might be related...	0:02:50	0:02:52
-..and I mix in a similar circle -as a lecturer in law in Cardiff...	0:02:52	0:02:57
-..but I know very little -about Lloyd George.	0:02:57	0:03:00
-On this journey, I'll meet people -who will enlighten me...	0:03:01	0:03:05
-..starting with the local -historian, Professor Merfyn Jones.	0:03:05	0:03:10
-It's an important place -in the life of Lloyd George.	0:03:10	0:03:13
-This is Highgate.	0:03:15	0:03:18
-You've been here before.	0:03:18	0:03:20
-Yes, I've been here many times...	0:03:20	0:03:23
-..but I've doubled in height -since my last visit...	0:03:23	0:03:26
-..so it feels much smaller.	0:03:26	0:03:29
-It's an incredible experience -to come inside this house.	0:03:29	0:03:33
-It is very small...	0:03:34	0:03:36
-..but bigger than -the average cottage at that time.	0:03:37	0:03:40
-It's a small house -to all intents and purposes.	0:03:40	0:03:44
-We can see a picture of Gladstone -who had a very different upbringing.	0:03:44	0:03:50
-What would Gladstone have thought -of Lloyd George's first home?	0:03:50	0:03:55
-I suspect Gladstone's servants -had better homes than this one.	0:03:55	0:03:59
-Having said that, they obviously -lived here quite comfortably.	0:03:59	0:04:05
-Lloyd George -wasn't as poor as he portrayed.	0:04:05	0:04:10
-He was from a relatively -underprivileged background...	0:04:11	0:04:15
-..but there people much poorer -than Lloyd George.	0:04:15	0:04:19
-I think it's quite incredible...	0:04:19	0:04:23
-..that he had such -a normal upbringing at that time.	0:04:23	0:04:28
-Lloyd George -was only a small baby...	0:04:29	0:04:33
-..when he came to live in this house -with his uncle.	0:04:34	0:04:38
-Richard Lloyd was a special man.	0:04:39	0:04:41
-Yes, he was a very special man.	0:04:42	0:04:44
-You could argue -that if it wasn't for this man...	0:04:44	0:04:48
-..then Lloyd George -would not have been as successful.	0:04:48	0:04:52
-This was a house...	0:04:54	0:04:55
-..that saw a lot of discussions, -learning and reading.	0:04:56	0:05:00
-This formed the foundation that -was very important to Lloyd George.	0:05:00	0:05:05
-He was a man who was quick-thinking.	0:05:06	0:05:09
-He absorbed information.	0:05:09	0:05:11
-Throughout his career -as a solicitor and a politician...	0:05:11	0:05:15
-..those were important traits.	0:05:15	0:05:17
-And this is where...	0:05:18	0:05:20
-And this is where... - -..it all started.	0:05:20	0:05:22
-These talents -were incredibly important...	0:05:22	0:05:27
-..during his career.	0:05:27	0:05:29
-Criccieth plays a part -in both of our lives.	0:05:38	0:05:41
-It's where I was raised -and Lloyd George lived here.	0:05:41	0:05:45
-My family lives here and I can't -visit Criccieth without seeing Nain!	0:05:46	0:05:51
-Nain was the daughter-in-law -of William, Lloyd George's brother.	0:05:51	0:05:56
-She knows better than anyone that -family is important in this story.	0:05:56	0:06:01
-Look at that.	0:06:02	0:06:03
-Bryn Awelon, Criccieth -and 11 Downing Street.	0:06:03	0:06:06
-Quite a contrast.	0:06:07	0:06:07
-Quite a contrast. - -Yes.	0:06:07	0:06:08
-Uncle David apparently rode -to your Hen-Taid every day.	0:06:09	0:06:14
-That's a Christmas card.	0:06:14	0:06:16
-"Wishing you and yours a Merry -Christmas and a Happy New Year."	0:06:16	0:06:20
-It brings it home, as well...	0:06:21	0:06:23
-..how much of an achievement -it was...	0:06:24	0:06:26
-..going from Llanystumdwy to London.	0:06:26	0:06:30
-You knew my Hen-Taid very well.	0:06:30	0:06:33
-Indeed.	0:06:33	0:06:35
-He was lovely.	0:06:35	0:06:36
-Did they talk much -about David Lloyd George?	0:06:37	0:06:40
-He was always in the conversation.	0:06:40	0:06:43
-He talked more about it -as he got older.	0:06:44	0:06:49
-How can I say it?	0:06:49	0:06:51
-He had slight dementia.	0:06:51	0:06:54
-He wanted to know, for instance, -in the evenings...	0:06:54	0:06:58
-..he said, "well, is David home?"	0:06:58	0:07:02
-I said, "yes."	0:07:03	0:07:05
-"Is Mam in bed?"	0:07:05	0:07:07
-"Yes."	0:07:07	0:07:08
-"What about Elin?"	0:07:08	0:07:10
-I said, "she's in bed as well."	0:07:10	0:07:12
-"Have you put a candle -in the window?"	0:07:12	0:07:15
-I said, "yes."	0:07:15	0:07:16
-"Alright, we can all go to bed."	0:07:16	0:07:19
-It's difficult to know -the actual extend of the decision...	0:07:23	0:07:27
-..made by the family to sustain -Lloyd George during his success.	0:07:28	0:07:33
-It was a political machine.	0:07:34	0:07:37
-He was going to succeed -on the political stage...	0:07:37	0:07:41
-..and he did that -at a very young age.	0:07:41	0:07:44
-In the early years, -he relied heavily on his family...	0:07:44	0:07:48
-..both emotionally, culturally, -politically and financially.	0:07:48	0:07:53
-He was a star pupil -and became a solicitor.	0:07:57	0:08:01
-In 1890, he was elected as the MP -for the Caernarfon Boroughs.	0:08:01	0:08:05
-He represented that constituency -for 55 years.	0:08:06	0:08:10
-My great-grandfather, his brother, -William, stayed in Porthmadog...	0:08:12	0:08:18
-..to run the business and -fund his brother's life in London.	0:08:18	0:08:23
-And Dad is a solicitor -in that same office.	0:08:23	0:08:27
-This is the attic of the office.	0:08:29	0:08:31
-Everything was brought up here -over the years.	0:08:32	0:08:35
-They date back to Lloyd George -and my grandfather.	0:08:35	0:08:39
-Look at these.	0:08:40	0:08:41
-They are copies of Hansard.	0:08:41	0:08:44
-When he was elected to Parliament...	0:08:44	0:08:47
-..MPs were not paid.	0:08:47	0:08:49
-He needed to earn a living.	0:08:49	0:08:51
-During the recesses, Lloyd George -came back to work in this office.	0:08:51	0:08:57
-My grandfather told me...	0:08:57	0:09:00
-..that he was very opinionated -and quite argumentative.	0:09:00	0:09:06
-What's this?	0:09:06	0:09:07
-This book -was presented to my grandfather.	0:09:08	0:09:12
-He got first class honours -in his exams to become a solicitor.	0:09:13	0:09:18
-This was an incredible feat...	0:09:18	0:09:20
-..as he didn't -have a lot of formal education.	0:09:21	0:09:24
-He left the school at Llanystumdwy -when he 16 years old.	0:09:25	0:09:29
-Do we know where Lloyd George -finished in his class?	0:09:29	0:09:33
-He didn't have first class honours!	0:09:33	0:09:35
-My great-grandfather -did better in the exams...	0:09:35	0:09:40
-..but his brother -went further in life.	0:09:40	0:09:43
-Yes, but they were strong believers -in divine providence.	0:09:43	0:09:47
-Richard Lloyd, their uncle...	0:09:48	0:09:51
-..thought Lloyd George was -put on this Earth for a reason...	0:09:51	0:09:55
-..and that he would do good deeds.	0:09:55	0:09:58
-My grandfather -would support his brother...	0:09:58	0:10:02
-..and do whatever was needed...	0:10:02	0:10:04
-..to make sure Lloyd George achieved -all that God had set out for him.	0:10:04	0:10:10
-That is what they believed.	0:10:10	0:10:12
-Did anyone outside -the immediate family...	0:10:12	0:10:16
-..know that Lloyd George's brother -helped him to further his career?	0:10:17	0:10:22
-I don't think so.	0:10:22	0:10:24
-It is revealed in the articles -that were written when he was 100...	0:10:25	0:10:29
-..but it was a long time to wait -for any recognition.	0:10:29	0:10:33
-I just happened upon this.	0:10:33	0:10:36
-My grandfather was interviewed by -The Sunday Times in February 1965.	0:10:36	0:10:42
-"Does he ever regret not following -his brother into the wider world?"	0:10:42	0:10:47
-"Not a bit.	0:10:47	0:10:48
-"It wasn't in my line at all.	0:10:48	0:10:50
-"Dafydd had it in his blood. -I didn't. I couldn't have done it."	0:10:50	0:10:55
-"He followed the high road.	0:10:56	0:10:58
-"I followed the low road."	0:10:58	0:11:00
-Both roads were just as good -as each other...	0:11:00	0:11:03
-..but one brought national -and international attention...	0:11:04	0:11:08
-..but he made his mark -in the local area.	0:11:08	0:11:11
-Sorry, I'm getting emotional now.	0:11:16	0:11:19
-And a small part of me...	0:11:20	0:11:23
-..feels that I don't -appreciate things enough.	0:11:23	0:11:27
-I don't appreciate -all that my great-grandfather did...	0:11:27	0:11:32
-..to support his brother.	0:11:32	0:11:34
-And that's...	0:11:34	0:11:36
-It's incredible -and makes him a very special man.	0:11:38	0:11:41
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-I'm Manon George.	0:11:58	0:12:00
-I want to learn about my great -uncle, Dafydd or David Lloyd George.	0:12:00	0:12:06
-I want to scratch beneath -the surface to get to know the man.	0:12:06	0:12:11
-This ordinary Welshman...	0:12:11	0:12:13
-..who became the Prime Minister -of Great Britain 100 years ago.	0:12:13	0:12:18
-He was consistent in two things.	0:12:18	0:12:22
-The first was a sense -of Welsh nationality...	0:12:22	0:12:25
-..and the second was the reformation -of the landlord system in Wales.	0:12:25	0:12:31
-Both of those beliefs -stem directly...	0:12:31	0:12:35
-..from the culture of the area -in which he was raised.	0:12:35	0:12:39
-Lloyd George -was a very accommodating man.	0:12:43	0:12:47
-He spoke to everyone and listened -to what people had to tell him.	0:12:47	0:12:52
-He listened -to the opinions of others...	0:12:52	0:12:55
-..before reaching -his own conclusions.	0:12:55	0:12:59
-One of my first memories...	0:13:01	0:13:03
-..of my family's link -with Lloyd George...	0:13:04	0:13:07
-..is standing next his grave -with my sister, Gwenno.	0:13:07	0:13:10
-We were wearing floral dresses -and it was 50 years since his death.	0:13:11	0:13:15
-I remember thinking that -he must have been an important man.	0:13:15	0:13:19
-My family's link with Lloyd George -has always been prominent.	0:13:19	0:13:24
-But the thing -I have to think about now...	0:13:24	0:13:28
-..is the importance of the family -and Welsh roots to him...	0:13:28	0:13:33
-..as he made a name for himself -on the British stage.	0:13:34	0:13:39
-I've come to the National Library -to meet John Graham Jones.	0:13:48	0:13:53
-I want to know -about Lloyd George's character...	0:13:53	0:13:56
-..his close relationship -with Wales...	0:13:56	0:13:59
-..and his desire to be -an international politician.	0:13:59	0:14:03
-He wasn't a great fan -of writing letters.	0:14:12	0:14:15
-He wasn't a keen correspondent...	0:14:15	0:14:18
-..and sent few letters to -his close friends and politicians.	0:14:19	0:14:23
-This is a very interesting letter.	0:14:23	0:14:27
-It's from -the start of January in 1904.	0:14:27	0:14:32
-"If it comes off...	0:14:32	0:14:33
-"..he says I am certain -to have a seat in the Cabinet."	0:14:34	0:14:37
-Others said the same.	0:14:37	0:14:39
-"Told him I must bargain for Wales."	0:14:39	0:14:43
-That is interesting.	0:14:43	0:14:44
-He claims that the matters of Wales -were still important to him.	0:14:45	0:14:51
-He thought a seat in the Cabinet...	0:14:51	0:14:53
-..was like a seat -to represent Wales.	0:14:53	0:14:56
-Yes, to some extent.	0:14:57	0:14:59
-As a backbencher, -did he do his best for Wales?	0:14:59	0:15:03
-I do think that he highlighted -Welsh issues in his speeches...	0:15:04	0:15:09
-..and subjects that were important -to his constituents.	0:15:09	0:15:13
-This included land reforms, the -harbour in Criccieth and fishing.	0:15:13	0:15:19
-He did highlight a lot -of these issues in the early days.	0:15:20	0:15:24
-Do you think that he used Wales...	0:15:24	0:15:27
-..to help him further his career?	0:15:27	0:15:31
-I don't doubt his sincerity -in those early days.	0:15:31	0:15:35
-He was committed to Welsh matters -and issues concerning Wales...	0:15:36	0:15:41
-..with the disestablishment of the -Church, education and temperance.	0:15:41	0:15:46
-Advancing his career came first -and Wales came second.	0:15:47	0:15:51
-"I am one of the children -of the people.	0:15:57	0:16:00
-"I was brought up amongst them and -I know their trials and troubles.	0:16:01	0:16:06
-"I therefore..."	0:16:06	0:16:08
-One of the interesting things -about Lloyd George...	0:16:09	0:16:12
-..is that he was very proud -to be from Wales...	0:16:13	0:16:18
-..to be a Welsh speaker -and a Nonconformist.	0:16:18	0:16:21
-In his early years -as a politician...	0:16:21	0:16:24
-..he somehow embodied all that.	0:16:24	0:16:28
-In those early years...	0:16:28	0:16:30
-..all of that -became an integral part...	0:16:31	0:16:35
-..of Lloyd George's politics.	0:16:35	0:16:38
-He was obviously an ambitious man...	0:16:40	0:16:43
-..who was able to campaign -on a whole variety of subjects.	0:16:44	0:16:49
-But he also attracted -a lot of attention...	0:16:50	0:16:54
-..for the sorts of campaigns -that he supported.	0:16:55	0:16:58
-Being unpopular didn't bother him.	0:16:58	0:17:01
-And to that extent, it helped him -to create this character...	0:17:01	0:17:06
-..that other politicians -didn't possess.	0:17:07	0:17:09
-As a result of my interest -in politics...	0:17:16	0:17:19
-..Lloyd George's relationship with -Wales is something I often consider.	0:17:19	0:17:24
-He was the voice of the national -revival, he opposed the Boer War...	0:17:24	0:17:29
-..and was a keen campaigner -against poverty.	0:17:29	0:17:32
-As he broadened his horizons...	0:17:33	0:17:35
-..how much did his ethics -and relationship with people change?	0:17:35	0:17:39
-Manon Jones specializes in the -history of his lifelong friend.	0:17:40	0:17:44
-It's the journalist, D R Daniel.	0:17:44	0:17:46
-What brought D R Daniel -and Lloyd George together?	0:17:48	0:17:52
-I think that one of the reasons -that they became friends...	0:17:52	0:17:56
-..was that they shared political -ideas and were both radical.	0:17:56	0:18:01
-D R Daniel saw something special -in Lloyd George.	0:18:01	0:18:05
-At their first meeting, he noticed -that he was a sharp-minded person.	0:18:05	0:18:10
-D R Daniel saw something special -in Lloyd George...	0:18:10	0:18:14
-..and thought he would go far -on the political stage.	0:18:14	0:18:18
-Did they remain friends?	0:18:18	0:18:20
-Did they remain friends? - -No, they didn't.	0:18:20	0:18:22
-D R Daniel was a pacifist.	0:18:22	0:18:24
-Just like Lloyd George at the start.	0:18:24	0:18:26
-Just like Lloyd George at the start. - -Yes, exactly.	0:18:26	0:18:28
-I suspect that -it became a stumbling block.	0:18:28	0:18:31
-D R Daniel felt Lloyd George -had turned his back...	0:18:31	0:18:34
-..on the principles -they once shared.	0:18:35	0:18:37
-They didn't write to each other...	0:18:38	0:18:40
-..but D R Daniel describes this time -in his diaries and note books.	0:18:40	0:18:46
-He describes a meeting in September -1914 when they discuss the war.	0:18:46	0:18:52
-Lloyd George states that -it is a serious situation...	0:18:53	0:18:57
-..and he wouldn't support the war -if it wasn't for Belgium.	0:18:57	0:19:01
-Once again, D R Daniel -refers to his belief...	0:19:01	0:19:04
-..that Lloyd George had worked hard -to gain his political power...	0:19:05	0:19:10
-..and didn't want to slide back to -where he stood during the Boer War.	0:19:11	0:19:16
-It's an interesting relationship -and says a lot about Lloyd George.	0:19:16	0:19:21
-Those principles formed the basis -of his radicalism...	0:19:22	0:19:28
-..at the start of his career.	0:19:28	0:19:30
-Yet, he could turn his back on -those principles later in his life.	0:19:30	0:19:36
-It's something I often think about.	0:19:36	0:19:39
-Was he forced to turn his back -on those principles...	0:19:39	0:19:42
-..or was he willing to do it?	0:19:43	0:19:45
-"We do not need -this exquisite songster in Wales.	0:19:55	0:19:59
-"We can provide better.	0:19:59	0:20:02
-"There is a bird in our villages...	0:20:02	0:20:06
-"..that can beat the best of them.	0:20:06	0:20:09
-"He's called Y Cyrmo."	0:20:09	0:20:14
-He opposed World War I -in the early days...	0:20:16	0:20:19
-..but changed his opinion after -speaking and listening to people.	0:20:19	0:20:25
-He did it out of principle and -felt it was the right thing to do.	0:20:25	0:20:30
-People often forget...	0:20:30	0:20:32
-..that Lloyd George -was very stubborn and awkward...	0:20:33	0:20:38
-..cunning and convinced -that he was always right.	0:20:38	0:20:44
-Lloyd George's name is everywhere!	0:20:51	0:20:53
-There's about six signs -on this road...	0:20:54	0:20:59
-..between Cardiff Bay -and the city centre.	0:20:59	0:21:02
-It was impossible to escape from -Lloyd George by moving to Cardiff.	0:21:03	0:21:07
-He's everywhere in Llanystumdwy -and just as common in Cardiff...	0:21:07	0:21:12
-..with this avenue -and the statues in the city centre.	0:21:13	0:21:16
-His name also graces the pavement -of New York.	0:21:17	0:21:20
-There's a piece of him everywhere!	0:21:20	0:21:24
-"The real purpose...	0:21:30	0:21:33
-"..of this change...	0:21:34	0:21:36
-"..is to divert the attention -of the people...	0:21:37	0:21:41
-"..from the real evils -and the right remedies."	0:21:41	0:21:46
-I can't comprehend -that I'm related to someone...	0:21:50	0:21:54
-..who still makes -a lasting impression.	0:21:54	0:21:57
-There's a library of books about him -and pictures and clips online.	0:21:57	0:22:01
-Something about him -continues to inspire.	0:22:02	0:22:06
-I think any politician -who has had so much power...	0:22:07	0:22:12
-..and has done so much in his life -- both good and not so good...	0:22:12	0:22:17
-..creates an incredible drama.	0:22:17	0:22:20
-There's a conflict -between him and others.	0:22:20	0:22:23
-I'm full of admiration for him -but not for everything he did...	0:22:23	0:22:27
-..but he was an incredible man.	0:22:28	0:22:30
-My grandfather heard him speak -and he never forgot it.	0:22:30	0:22:35
-He had the audience -in the palm of his hand...	0:22:35	0:22:38
-..and everyone -was hanging on his every word.	0:22:39	0:22:43
-Was he a performer?	0:22:43	0:22:44
-Yes, and he had a unique manner -when in the House of Commons...	0:22:45	0:22:49
-..and speaking to people who -he felt had done something wrong.	0:22:50	0:22:54
-The action and the phrase -were often disjointed.	0:22:54	0:22:58
-He would say, "You did this.	0:22:59	0:23:01
-"You."	0:23:01	0:23:02
-And then he would point the finger, -so it was an action in itself.	0:23:04	0:23:08
-These days, you would point -and speak at the same time.	0:23:08	0:23:12
-He chose his words and actions -as if he was an actor on a stage.	0:23:12	0:23:16
-"I remind myself -of my achievements...	0:23:17	0:23:19
-"..as a lawyer, as a politician, -as a statesman.	0:23:20	0:23:23
-"I was the first man from humble -beginnings to be Prime Minister.	0:23:24	0:23:28
-"Before me, -they were the sons of privilege.	0:23:28	0:23:31
-"I was the first in that position to -have English as a second language."	0:23:32	0:23:37
-I'm sure Lloyd George -would love the fact...	0:23:38	0:23:41
-..that someone is portraying him -in a play.	0:23:41	0:23:44
-That speaks volumes -in terms of a person's fame.	0:23:44	0:23:48
-Few knew about the complexities -of his life until after his death.	0:23:48	0:23:53
-I don't know if he'd be happy...	0:23:53	0:23:55
-..for people to hear about -every aspect of his life.	0:23:55	0:23:59
-I'd like to ask your opinion -of Lloyd George...	0:23:59	0:24:03
-..after getting -a deeper understanding of him.	0:24:03	0:24:06
-I wish I could have met him -and spoken to him for five minutes.	0:24:06	0:24:12
-"I pursued the Great War -to its bitter end...	0:24:12	0:24:16
-"..until we had our victory.	0:24:16	0:24:18
-"I tell myself -I did all these things.	0:24:19	0:24:22
-"I did."	0:24:23	0:24:24
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-"Why should we not sing -during the war?	0:24:46	0:24:50
-"Why especially should we not sing -at this stage of the war?	0:24:51	0:24:57
-"The blinds of Britain -are not down yet...	0:24:58	0:25:03
-"..nor are they likely to be.	0:25:03	0:25:06
-"The honour of Britain is not dead."	0:25:06	0:25:10
-David Lloyd George -could respond in a crisis...	0:25:16	0:25:20
-..and could elevate himself -as a result.	0:25:20	0:25:23
-That is what makes him so different.	0:25:23	0:25:26
-One of his many talents...	0:25:28	0:25:31
-..was that despite making enemies, -he was able to form friendships.	0:25:31	0:25:37
-Lloyd George differed -from the MPs of the same era...	0:25:41	0:25:45
-..who had further education -and were wealthy.	0:25:45	0:25:49
-And yet, he mixed with them -with confidence.	0:25:49	0:25:52
-He was about my age when he arrived -in Westminster as an MP...	0:25:52	0:25:57
-..and I want to know -more about his life here.	0:25:57	0:26:01
-There's an excitement -about this place.	0:26:13	0:26:16
-It's incredible that a relative of -mine came here over 100 years ago...	0:26:17	0:26:22
-..first as an MP -before becoming Prime Minister...	0:26:22	0:26:26
-..and there's a statue of him -over there.	0:26:27	0:26:30
-He's obviously thought of as one of -our influential Prime Ministers...	0:26:30	0:26:36
-..and is alongside Thatcher, -Atlee and Churchill.	0:26:36	0:26:41
-And my relative is there too.	0:26:41	0:26:43
-It's a very strange feeling.	0:26:43	0:26:46
-He was a member -of the House of Commons...	0:26:52	0:26:55
-..and very prominent -within the Liberal Party...	0:26:55	0:26:59
-..when the Tories were in power.	0:26:59	0:27:02
-But in 1906...	0:27:03	0:27:07
-..the Liberal Party -won the General Election...	0:27:07	0:27:10
-..and Lloyd George -got his seat in the Cabinet.	0:27:10	0:27:14
-He was the President -of the Board of Trade.	0:27:14	0:27:17
-He was later made -the Chancellor of the Exchequer...	0:27:17	0:27:21
-..and that was when he pursued some -of his more radical and new ideas.	0:27:21	0:27:27
-It makes me feel -very proud of him...	0:27:32	0:27:35
-..and I can say -that I'm his descendent.	0:27:36	0:27:39
-As he walked through those doors...	0:27:40	0:27:42
-..I wonder if he thought about my -great-grandfather or his brother...	0:27:42	0:27:48
-..who was working so hard to enable -him to come here in the first place.	0:27:48	0:27:54
-I'd like to think -that it was something...	0:27:54	0:27:57
-..that was on his mind at the time.	0:27:58	0:28:01
-The more I speak -about Lloyd George...	0:28:09	0:28:12
-..or watch archive footage -or read about him...	0:28:12	0:28:15
-..the more I realize that there was -a duality to his character.	0:28:16	0:28:21
-On the one had, he was this -young man from Llanystumdwy...	0:28:22	0:28:25
-..who rose through the ranks to the -most powerful job in the country.	0:28:26	0:28:30
-The great nationalist.	0:28:30	0:28:33
-And yet, some claim -that he turned his back on Wales.	0:28:33	0:28:37
-This family man who forgot them -when he came to London.	0:28:37	0:28:42
-You also have the pacifist -who became The Man Who Won The War!	0:28:42	0:28:47
-The question -that springs to mind now is...	0:28:49	0:28:52
-..was he a man who took advantage...	0:28:53	0:28:55
-..or a man who took advantage of the -opportunities that he was given?	0:28:55	0:29:00
-Possibly a bit of both!	0:29:01	0:29:02
-To find some answers...	0:29:08	0:29:10
-..I've come to the Reform Club at -Pall Mall to meet Sir Deian Hopkin.	0:29:10	0:29:15
-Lloyd George -was a member of the club...	0:29:16	0:29:19
-..and this is where he discussed his -radical ideas about social reforms.	0:29:19	0:29:25
-Shall I be mother, Manon?	0:29:26	0:29:28
-Shall I be mother, Manon? - -Yes, please.	0:29:28	0:29:29
-It shows that I can do it!	0:29:30	0:29:32
-Women weren't allowed into the club -in the past.	0:29:32	0:29:36
-It's different these days.	0:29:36	0:29:38
-The journey from Criccieth to London -is quite a journey.	0:29:39	0:29:43
-How did David Lloyd George -undertake it?	0:29:43	0:29:46
-It's much easier these days.	0:29:47	0:29:50
-I can't imagine the journey taken by -Lloyd George all those years ago.	0:29:50	0:29:55
-It was exciting.	0:29:55	0:29:56
-Yes, but it's also a mental journey.	0:29:57	0:30:00
-You have this social distance.	0:30:00	0:30:02
-The distance -between the society in Criccieth.	0:30:03	0:30:06
-Look around this place -and the city as a whole.	0:30:06	0:30:09
-It's so different -and almost like another planet.	0:30:10	0:30:13
-Did he spend a lot of time here?	0:30:13	0:30:16
-Did he spend a lot of time here? - -Yes, definitely.	0:30:16	0:30:17
-Rumours suggest David Lloyd George -was uncomfortable in London society.	0:30:17	0:30:22
-He created his own society.	0:30:23	0:30:25
-He had Welsh friends from Wales -in London.	0:30:25	0:30:30
-I have no doubt...	0:30:30	0:30:32
-..that he enjoyed the luxurious life -that London offered.	0:30:32	0:30:37
-He has been highly criticized -for his treatment of his family...	0:30:37	0:30:43
-..and many chastised him -for possibly ignoring his family.	0:30:43	0:30:48
-There was also his relationship -with Margaret.	0:30:49	0:30:52
-Is that difficult to hear as someone -who is a member of his family?	0:30:52	0:30:57
-It's the same with any politician.	0:30:57	0:30:59
-He's loved by some -and hated by others.	0:31:00	0:31:03
-Some people do focus on -the negative points of Lloyd George.	0:31:04	0:31:08
-The most common reference -is towards his womanizing.	0:31:08	0:31:13
-I hope people remember -all that he achieved too.	0:31:14	0:31:18
-There isn't a lot of evidence...	0:31:18	0:31:21
-..to suggest that he went out -womanizing every night!	0:31:21	0:31:25
-I suspect that the story -has been highly exaggerated.	0:31:25	0:31:29
-His most progressive move at -that time was the People's Budget.	0:31:30	0:31:34
-The name of the People's Budget -describes it to a tee.	0:31:34	0:31:38
-These measures went beyond anything -that had been seen before.	0:31:39	0:31:44
-It shows David Lloyd George's -acknowledgement...	0:31:45	0:31:49
-..of a social and economic crisis.	0:31:49	0:31:52
-It was more important than securing -the privileged positions of others.	0:31:52	0:31:58
-He wanted to take money -from one part of society...	0:31:58	0:32:02
-..and give it to another.	0:32:02	0:32:04
-I think it was quite revolutionary.	0:32:04	0:32:07
-I think these changes -would have come about...	0:32:13	0:32:16
-..under any Chancellor -of the Exchequer at that time...	0:32:17	0:32:21
-..but Lloyd George -was very assertive and radical.	0:32:21	0:32:25
-He rushed things through Parliament.	0:32:25	0:32:28
-That is what made him different.	0:32:28	0:32:30
-Other politicians described him -as The Man of Push and Go!	0:32:30	0:32:36
-"We are the richest country -in Europe.	0:32:42	0:32:45
-"We pay the highest wages of any -country in Europe except Denmark...	0:32:46	0:32:50
-"..which is also free trade.	0:32:50	0:32:54
-"We've the lowest cost of living -of any country in the world."	0:32:54	0:32:58
-Lloyd George's success -as Chancellor...	0:33:04	0:33:06
-..would have secured him a place -in the history books.	0:33:07	0:33:10
-He gave us the state pension.	0:33:10	0:33:13
-In December 1916, he was invited -to form a coalition government.	0:33:13	0:33:18
-He was now Prime Minister -and a War Leader.	0:33:19	0:33:23
-During World War I, he showed -that he could master the details...	0:33:26	0:33:31
-..and the ability -to stand his ground...	0:33:31	0:33:34
-..against all kinds -of important attacks.	0:33:34	0:33:37
-He was also very successful -in taking charge of the generals...	0:33:38	0:33:44
-..and returning the control -of the war to the politicians.	0:33:44	0:33:49
-He was a very different leader...	0:33:50	0:33:53
-..and unlike any -of his previous Prime Ministers.	0:33:53	0:33:57
-A number of historians -over the years have said...	0:33:57	0:34:02
-..that Lloyd George was the man...	0:34:02	0:34:06
-..who created the modern politics -of the 20th century.	0:34:06	0:34:10
-He was the leader -and had a small Cabinet.	0:34:10	0:34:13
-He was surrounded by his people.	0:34:13	0:34:16
-He brought people into Number Ten.	0:34:17	0:34:21
-These people were the Garden Suburb -because they were in the garden!	0:34:21	0:34:26
-He also understood the press.	0:34:26	0:34:29
-Today, I'm sure he would understand -social media...	0:34:29	0:34:34
-..and how to use it.	0:34:34	0:34:37
-He could influence the press...	0:34:37	0:34:40
-..directly through -the owners of the press.	0:34:40	0:34:44
-He brought them into his office...	0:34:45	0:34:48
-..and his government.	0:34:49	0:34:51
-David Lloyd George.	0:34:55	0:34:57
-December 1916.	0:34:57	0:35:00
-It's great to think -that 100 years ago...	0:35:02	0:35:05
-..that this house was full -and bustling with Welsh speakers.	0:35:05	0:35:11
-The housekeeper and a lot -of the other staff all spoke Welsh.	0:35:11	0:35:17
-I'm sure a lot of people in Wales -are proud of this fact.	0:35:17	0:35:22
-I've been to London many times...	0:35:27	0:35:30
-..but this journey -has been very different.	0:35:30	0:35:34
-It's been wonderful to visit places -where Lloyd George spent his days.	0:35:34	0:35:40
-His presence is felt in London -to this day.	0:35:40	0:35:43
-Before the sun sets on the city -and my time here...	0:35:44	0:35:48
-..I meet someone who knows the -politicians of yesterday and today.	0:35:49	0:35:54
-I've studied politics...	0:35:55	0:35:57
-..covered politics -and been involved with politics.	0:35:58	0:36:01
-I feel he was the most successful -Prime Minister of the last century.	0:36:02	0:36:07
-He was a Welsh speaker -which is always a good start!	0:36:07	0:36:11
-He also had charisma, -bravery and a vision...	0:36:12	0:36:16
-..as well as the willingness to be -totally shameless in many ways.	0:36:16	0:36:21
-You cannot achieve anything -without upsetting people.	0:36:21	0:36:25
-Lloyd George -was ready to upset people...	0:36:26	0:36:28
-..to achieve something -that would remain...	0:36:29	0:36:32
-..after those who opposed him -were long gone!	0:36:32	0:36:35
-Was the fact that he upset people -responsible for his downfall?	0:36:36	0:36:40
-We all fall in the end.	0:36:40	0:36:42
-Falling after many terms -as a Prime Minister...	0:36:42	0:36:45
-..who set the foundations of the -Welfare State, won the Great War...	0:36:46	0:36:50
-..and changed -the nature of politics...	0:36:50	0:36:53
-..it's a fair cop!	0:36:53	0:36:55
-He isn't just a hero -to the London Welsh.	0:36:55	0:36:59
-Michael!	0:36:59	0:37:01
-How are you?	0:37:01	0:37:02
-How are you? - -Alright.	0:37:02	0:37:04
-This lady is a descendent...	0:37:04	0:37:06
-..of the best Prime Minister -of the last century.	0:37:07	0:37:10
-Um, let me think about that.	0:37:10	0:37:13
-It must be The Welsh Wizard!	0:37:14	0:37:16
-Are you a fan?	0:37:17	0:37:19
-An extraordinary man.	0:37:19	0:37:20
-Who was it?	0:37:20	0:37:22
-Is it Kane who says about this -figure out of the Celtic mist...	0:37:22	0:37:26
-..this magician?	0:37:26	0:37:28
-Lloyd George was a magician.	0:37:28	0:37:31
-An extraordinary man.	0:37:31	0:37:33
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-From Llanystumdwy to London.	0:37:47	0:37:50
-I've been learning about my great -uncle, Dafydd or David Lloyd George.	0:37:50	0:37:56
-It's 100 years -since he became Prime Minister...	0:37:56	0:38:00
-..and there's a party -to mark this milestone.	0:38:00	0:38:03
-But some of my questions -are still gnawing at me.	0:38:03	0:38:07
-I might find the answers -on my way back to Criccieth.	0:38:07	0:38:11
-"Archdruid...	0:38:15	0:38:16
-"..and all my fellow-countrymen.	0:38:17	0:38:20
-"I notice in the program...	0:38:22	0:38:24
-"..that I am meant -to give you an address.	0:38:24	0:38:29
-"But I do not have a speech."	0:38:30	0:38:33
-As a member of the family...	0:38:35	0:38:37
-..I'm often concerned about people's -views towards Lloyd George...	0:38:37	0:38:42
-..and his change in attitude -towards war and pacifism.	0:38:43	0:38:46
-That's why I'm visiting -Gerald Williams...	0:38:47	0:38:50
-..the nephew of Hedd Wyn, -the Poet of the Black Chair...	0:38:50	0:38:54
-..who was killed during World War I.	0:38:54	0:38:56
-This place is very eerie.	0:39:02	0:39:04
-During this journey, -I've seen two names carved out.	0:39:04	0:39:09
-Two individual names who faced -a totally different fate.	0:39:09	0:39:13
-The decision of one was responsible -for the fate of the other.	0:39:13	0:39:17
-What do you know of Lloyd George and -the Eisteddfod of the Black Chair?	0:39:23	0:39:28
-As I understand it...	0:39:28	0:39:31
-..Lloyd George was in a dark place -at the time of the Eisteddfod.	0:39:31	0:39:35
-He was trying to recruit lads -to go to war.	0:39:36	0:39:39
-Hedd Wyn won the Chair -but had been killed...	0:39:39	0:39:43
-..so I suspect -he was in a difficult position.	0:39:44	0:39:47
-Should he have stopped recruiting -that day?	0:39:47	0:39:50
-He had no choice -because that was his job.	0:39:50	0:39:53
-It was a very sad day -for your family.	0:39:54	0:39:56
-Yes, it was very sad for the family.	0:39:56	0:40:01
-Let me tell you -the way that I see it.	0:40:01	0:40:04
-I've got a medal in my pocket.	0:40:05	0:40:07
-Wait a minute so that I can -move my stick out of the way.	0:40:07	0:40:12
-This was given -to the family of Hedd Wyn.	0:40:14	0:40:17
-It's a piece of metal.	0:40:18	0:40:20
-That doesn't mean a lot.	0:40:20	0:40:22
-That doesn't mean a lot. - -No, nothing at all.	0:40:22	0:40:23
-And yet, it represents a life.	0:40:23	0:40:28
-It says...	0:40:30	0:40:31
-"He died for freedom and honour."	0:40:32	0:40:34
-What honour do you get -from being killed?	0:40:35	0:40:38
-I don't know.	0:40:38	0:40:39
-It doesn't make any sense to me.	0:40:39	0:40:44
-Holding this medal -makes me realize...	0:40:44	0:40:47
-..the horrific outcome -to some of Lloyd George's decisions.	0:40:48	0:40:53
-He had to do his job, -just like the rest of us.	0:40:54	0:40:57
-We have to take -the rough with the smooth.	0:40:57	0:41:02
-I have to admit that I feel quite -relieved after speaking with Gerald.	0:41:09	0:41:14
-It's easy to judge someone -after seeing the results.	0:41:14	0:41:18
-But it takes someone brave and wise -to make the difficult decisions.	0:41:19	0:41:24
-A lot of people criticized -Lloyd George and many others...	0:41:25	0:41:29
-..such as John Williams, -Brynsiencyn.	0:41:29	0:41:32
-They accused them of total hypocrisy -in their recruitment for the war...	0:41:33	0:41:38
-..and stated that they were immoral.	0:41:39	0:41:41
-Personally, I tend to agree -with that criticism...	0:41:41	0:41:45
-..but at the end of the day...	0:41:45	0:41:47
-..Britain was at war -and our men were fighting...	0:41:48	0:41:51
-..and they had to win the war.	0:41:52	0:41:54
-I'm sure Lloyd George -would have addressed the crowd...	0:41:54	0:42:00
-..at Birkenhead Park...	0:42:01	0:42:03
-..singing the praises of Hedd Wyn -and asking for more men to enlist...	0:42:03	0:42:08
-..to secure a victory.	0:42:08	0:42:11
-I don't think there was any doubt -in the character of Lloyd George.	0:42:12	0:42:17
-Once he chose a route...	0:42:17	0:42:19
-..there was no point -in doubting that decision.	0:42:20	0:42:24
-As Prime Minister, you must -have faith in your own decisions.	0:42:24	0:42:30
-I don't think the family -was disappointed in him.	0:42:31	0:42:35
-They respected his stance.	0:42:35	0:42:38
-If he thought -that he was doing the right thing...	0:42:39	0:42:43
-..then they supported him.	0:42:43	0:42:46
-It's wonderful -to share the memories of one man...	0:42:51	0:42:55
-..who knew Lloyd George.	0:42:55	0:42:58
-It's his grandson, Bengy.	0:42:58	0:43:00
-He was a family man.	0:43:03	0:43:05
-People don't think of him like that -but that was his priority.	0:43:05	0:43:09
-He'd take us for long walks.	0:43:09	0:43:11
-The most terrifying walks.	0:43:12	0:43:13
-They were directional.	0:43:14	0:43:16
-He would take a point in the -far distance and we'd walk there.	0:43:16	0:43:20
-It didn't matter if it rivers -or hedges or a field of bulls...	0:43:20	0:43:25
-..or other hazards...	0:43:25	0:43:27
-..he just would sail through.	0:43:27	0:43:30
-What do you think -made him so special?	0:43:30	0:43:33
-He had a tremendous memory.	0:43:34	0:43:36
-He just never forgot a thing.	0:43:36	0:43:38
-I remember walking down -to Llanystumdwy on the top road.	0:43:39	0:43:43
-An old boy came out and said, "Do -you remember me, Mr Lloyd George?"	0:43:43	0:43:48
-"Oh, Tom Jones!"	0:43:48	0:43:49
-But he was in school with him -in Llanystumdwy.	0:43:50	0:43:53
-He really hadn't seen him for 30 -or 40 years but knew him perfectly.	0:43:53	0:43:58
-That's lovely that he never forgot -his roots.	0:43:58	0:44:02
-He never forgot his roots -or people that had helped him...	0:44:02	0:44:06
-..or been associated with him.	0:44:07	0:44:09
-It was extraordinary -to be related to him.	0:44:09	0:44:13
-You didn't realize -the impact that he had on people.	0:44:13	0:44:17
-You saw the transition that would -occur to people when they met him.	0:44:17	0:44:22
-"Provide pensions...	0:44:28	0:44:30
-"..to give comfort to a million men -and women in their declining years.	0:44:30	0:44:35
-"And to carry out -many a long-desired...	0:44:35	0:44:37
-"..and long-promised plan -of social reform...	0:44:38	0:44:42
-"..to redeem the people -from anxiety and suffering...	0:44:42	0:44:46
-"..which are oppressing them."	0:44:46	0:44:49
-I've been all over the place -since you last saw me.	0:44:58	0:45:01
-It's been quite a journey.	0:45:02	0:45:03
-It's been quite a journey. - -It has.	0:45:03	0:45:04
-It's been a bit of a roller coaster -and quite emotional.	0:45:05	0:45:09
-What do you think you've learnt?	0:45:09	0:45:11
-Some people have suggested that once -he arrived on the British stage...	0:45:11	0:45:16
-..that he forgot his Welsh roots -and his family.	0:45:16	0:45:20
-That isn't true.	0:45:21	0:45:22
-He would still come back and always -had close ties with Criccieth...	0:45:22	0:45:27
-..and returned to Llanystumdwy.	0:45:28	0:45:30
-This is a copy -of the People's Budget.	0:45:31	0:45:35
-It's the Finance Act of 1910.	0:45:35	0:45:38
-This is special because of what -Lloyd George has written inside.	0:45:38	0:45:44
-"To my brother...	0:45:44	0:45:46
-"..with a deep appreciation...	0:45:46	0:45:49
-"..of his devotion -and self-sacrifice...	0:45:49	0:45:53
-"..which enabled me to give -so much time to my public work."	0:45:53	0:45:59
-Wow!	0:45:59	0:46:01
-Lloyd George acknowledged that -there was actually two people...	0:46:01	0:46:06
-..who supported him -throughout it all.	0:46:07	0:46:10
-He must have been proud -of his brother as well.	0:46:10	0:46:14
-His brother became Prime Minister.	0:46:14	0:46:17
-In their own way, they were proud -of each other and were a family.	0:46:17	0:46:23
-This is what makes it so special.	0:46:23	0:46:25
-This is what makes it so special. - -Yes.	0:46:25	0:46:26
-It truly defines...	0:46:27	0:46:30
-..the work of both men.	0:46:31	0:46:33
-One was prominent and -the other worked in the background.	0:46:33	0:46:37
-I view this as the story of two men.	0:46:41	0:46:45
-One sacrificed so much to support -the ambition of the other.	0:46:45	0:46:50
-But it's one journey...	0:46:50	0:46:52
-..that led to the success -of David Lloyd George...	0:46:52	0:46:56
-..as one of the best Prime Ministers -in history.	0:46:56	0:47:00
-His roots and family in Eifionydd -formed the foundations to it all.	0:47:00	0:47:05
-There's no doubt in my mind -that we should celebrate...	0:47:07	0:47:12
-..the contribution -of this incredible man.	0:47:12	0:47:15
-He had a certain charm.	0:47:16	0:47:19
-Those in the presence -of Lloyd George...	0:47:20	0:47:23
-..realized that they were -with someone unique and special.	0:47:23	0:47:27
-If you look at the political giants -in our history...	0:47:30	0:47:34
-..then David Lloyd George -stands firmly in their midst.	0:47:34	0:47:39
-We'll never see -anyone like him again.	0:47:43	0:47:46
-Nobody from that sort of background -will be Prime Minister.	0:47:47	0:47:51
-The family feels very privileged -and extremely lucky...	0:47:51	0:47:55
-..to claim this special man -as one of their own.	0:47:56	0:47:59
-He was surrounded -by highly-educated politicians...	0:48:03	0:48:07
-..but didn't think they were better -or more intelligent than he was...	0:48:07	0:48:12
-..and they weren't!	0:48:12	0:48:14
-He was more intelligent -than all of them.	0:48:14	0:48:17
-He's totally beyond compare.	0:48:20	0:48:23
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David Lloyd George: Yncl Dafydd

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