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-My name is Keith Williams. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:13 | |
-When I was 13, -Mami told me I was adopted. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:17 | |
-I'd never given it a thought. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:21 | |
-I never imagined -I was related to a royal family... | 0:00:21 | 0:00:25 | |
-..from the other side of the world. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:28 | |
-When I was four or five months old, -the council took me off my mother... | 0:00:44 | 0:00:49 | |
-..and they brought me here, to -Caeglas children's home, Ffairfach. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:54 | |
-I lived here -until I was around 18 months old. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:58 | |
-I don't remember a thing about it... | 0:01:04 | 0:01:06 | |
-..but being here does bring back -some sort of feeling. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:12 | |
-It makes me think about the time -I spent in this home. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:18 | |
-My adoptive parents -had been married for ten years... | 0:01:27 | 0:01:31 | |
-..but they couldn't have children. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
-Dadi ran a business in Penygroes -and he knew a lot of people. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:38 | |
-Someone told him there was a little -boy in Caeglas children's home... | 0:01:39 | 0:01:44 | |
-..that he and Moira -should go and meet. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:47 | |
-He called in one day. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:49 | |
-Apparently, as soon as he walked -into the room, I went towards him... | 0:01:50 | 0:01:55 | |
-..and looked up at him. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:56 | |
-There were other children there, -but he took a shine to me. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:01 | |
-He went home -and told my mother about me. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:03 | |
-They went through the adoption -process and that took a bit of time. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:10 | |
-I was two years old -by the time everything went through. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:16 | |
-I was a lucky boy. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:22 | |
-Mami and Dadi -gave me a good upbringing. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
-That's never been a question. -I never wanted for anything. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:33 | |
-Everyone in Penygroes -knows me as Keith the Coal. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:45 | |
-I've had a brilliant life here. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:49 | |
-My parents were very religious. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:56 | |
-I was raised as a member -of the Temple Apostolic Church. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
-Dadi's uncle, -Pastor Dan, or DP Williams... | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
-..founded the Apostolic Church, -along with his brother. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:10 | |
-They were strict. -We had to go to Sunday school. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:13 | |
-I was in for it if I didn't listen, -and if the belt came out, look out! | 0:03:13 | 0:03:18 | |
-My bottom would be red -and I couldn't sit down for a month. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:23 | |
-I left school when I was 15 to work -with Dadi in the coal business... | 0:03:25 | 0:03:29 | |
-..up on the yard. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:31 | |
-We worked really long hours. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:34 | |
-We carried bags of coal -and did big tonnage. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
-We worked six days a week -and it really was a back breaker. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:42 | |
-To be honest, -I enjoyed that time of my life. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:48 | |
-I miss those good times. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
-January | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
-Up to the time when Keith was 46... | 0:04:11 | 0:04:13 | |
-..he didn't feel any urge to search -for his birth mother or father. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:19 | |
-I started the process -of finding his birth parents. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:24 | |
-I was expecting his grandchild... | 0:04:28 | 0:04:30 | |
-..and I asked him if he wanted -to find his birth parents. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:34 | |
-That's when Dad and Mam -went to find out. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:38 | |
-Back in 1998, we looked into -how we could start this search. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:44 | |
-I went to Llanelli to get a copy -of my birth certificate. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:49 | |
-We left the Registrar's Office -with my original birth certificate. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:58 | |
-There was nothing on it to tell me -who my mother and father were. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:04 | |
-It was disappointing, to be honest, -but I'm not sure what I expected. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:09 | |
-The only new thing -I did discover from it... | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
-..was that my original surname -was Hodge. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:17 | |
-From there, we looked -through the telephone book... | 0:05:19 | 0:05:25 | |
-..for Hodges. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:27 | |
-There weren't a lot of people -called Hodge. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
-There were a couple in Llanelli -and here and there. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:34 | |
-I assumed -that my parents were from Llanelli. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:38 | |
-That's all we had to go on. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
-We found that someone called Hodge -owned a bike shop in Llanelli... | 0:05:40 | 0:05:45 | |
-..but the shop had closed. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:48 | |
-We then decided -to go up to the Box Cemetery. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
-It was fascinating, -but we reached a dead end. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
-We couldn't find anything out. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:00 | |
-It pointed to the name Hodge having -no connection with Llanelli... | 0:06:01 | 0:06:07 | |
-..apart from the fact -I was born there. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:09 | |
-We had to go back -to the drawing board. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
-I went back to Social Services... | 0:06:14 | 0:06:16 | |
-..and I made an application -for a full birth certificate. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:21 | |
-The adoption details were on it -and that's how I found out... | 0:06:21 | 0:06:26 | |
-..that my mother's name -was Elizabeth Rosa Hodge. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
-We went to London for a meeting... | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
-..at the records office -for births, marriages and deaths. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:44 | |
-We met -a wonderfully helpful lady there. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
-We spent quite a bit of time there -and she helped us. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
-She recommended -what we should and shouldn't do. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
-She advised us not to knock on doors -in case we got a bad reaction. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:02 | |
-We wouldn't do that anyway. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
-We found a reference number -when she was showing us what to do. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:10 | |
-We found out -that Elizabeth Rosa had married. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:18 | |
-Her married name was Grzegorzek. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:22 | |
-It's a Polish surname. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:24 | |
-She married a man called Frank. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:26 | |
-We found out that Elizabeth Rosa -gave birth to two girls. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:33 | |
-Their names are Christine and Anita. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:37 | |
-That really gave me a boost. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:40 | |
-I was raised as an only child... | 0:07:41 | 0:07:43 | |
-..and I now discovered -that I had two half-sisters. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:47 | |
-It was fantastic. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:48 | |
-It gave us a push -to find what we were looking for. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
-The lady in London -gave us some advice. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
-She said, "Where you have -your birth certificate... | 0:08:01 | 0:08:05 | |
-..it would help you if you went back -to the local authority there." | 0:08:05 | 0:08:10 | |
-I did that and I asked to speak -to someone from Social Services. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:15 | |
-Fair play, -the lady met me straight away. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:19 | |
-I explained to her what I was after. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:22 | |
-It's not easy -to get your hands on it. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
-Obviously, you can't just walk in -and ask for information. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:29 | |
-I had to prove who I was. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:31 | |
-She said, "Leave it to me." | 0:08:32 | 0:08:34 | |
-I phoned her -a couple of weeks later... | 0:08:34 | 0:08:37 | |
-..and she said, "I've found records -from the archives in Carmarthen." | 0:08:37 | 0:08:42 | |
-When this file was handed to me... | 0:08:46 | 0:08:48 | |
-..I was quite emotional, -to be honest. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
-This is a list -of my personal belongings. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:59 | |
-One pair of mittens. -Two pairs of shoes. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
-Socks. Rubber pants. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
-Ration book. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:09 | |
-This is a Visitor Report... | 0:09:17 | 0:09:19 | |
-..from the time -when I went out as a foster child. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:23 | |
-"The child appears quite white apart -from slight swarthiness of skin." | 0:09:26 | 0:09:32 | |
-I turned the page -and saw these words. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:38 | |
-"The father of the child -is a Malayan. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:42 | |
-"A married man with a family". | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
-I took a drive in the car on my own, -just to absorb everything. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:59 | |
-I drove up to the Scotch Pine -on Betws mountain... | 0:09:59 | 0:10:04 | |
-..and I sat in the car for hours. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
-When I think that my father came -from the other side of the world... | 0:10:13 | 0:10:17 | |
-..there's a lot of water between us. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:21 | |
-I was really shaken. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
-It was hard to take it in. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:27 | |
-It wasn't the news -I expected to find, to be honest. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:37 | |
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-When I learned my mother's name... | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
-..and that my father came from -the other side of the world... | 0:11:25 | 0:11:29 | |
-..it was a shock, but it made me -more determined to find out more. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:35 | |
-Vanessa and I -decided to do a bit of PI work. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
-We went up to the Peterborough area. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
-We'd been given -a few addresses up there... | 0:11:42 | 0:11:46 | |
-..so we decided to go up there -for a few days... | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
-..to find out as much as possible. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
-We had the marriage certificate -and an address was printed on it. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:13 | |
-The witness to the wedding lived in -Yaxley, just outside Peterborough. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:21 | |
-We came up to Yaxley and we found -the house where the witness lived. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:26 | |
-He was Polish, like Frank. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:31 | |
-They were workmates. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:32 | |
-We knocked on the door -and told them our story. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:38 | |
-The man said they used to live -across the road... | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
-..and their son -drives buses in Peterborough. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:45 | |
-We didn't know there was a son. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
-The records we found in London -only mentioned two girls. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:52 | |
-That was another surprise for us. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:56 | |
-Suddenly, I had a half-brother -as well as two half-sisters. | 0:12:56 | 0:13:01 | |
-We left Yaxley, -on our detective mission... | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
-..and we came here, -to Deeping St James. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:12 | |
-When we reached this village, -we went to the post office. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:17 | |
-That was the address we had. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:21 | |
-The girl there said -it used to be a house years ago. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:27 | |
-We explained -that we were trying to track down... | 0:13:27 | 0:13:31 | |
-..Elizabeth Rosa Grzegorzek. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:36 | |
-She said, "I tell you who'd help. -Two sisters who live together." | 0:13:36 | 0:13:41 | |
-Midwives. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:44 | |
-I knocked the door and said -we were trying to find Elizabeth. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:50 | |
-She said, -"She used to go by the name Betty." | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
-That was news to us, of course. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:56 | |
-She added, "I know Betty very well. -I brought Betty into this world." | 0:13:56 | 0:14:01 | |
-Good gracious me! | 0:14:01 | 0:14:03 | |
-That was -a fascinating thing to learn. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
-She said, "I tell you -who'd be able to help you." | 0:14:08 | 0:14:12 | |
-"She's got an auntie -living just around the corner." | 0:14:12 | 0:14:16 | |
-She gave us the address, -so we went up the road. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:20 | |
-We sat in the car for a few minutes, -Vanessa and I. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:24 | |
-Shall I knock the door or shan't I? | 0:14:24 | 0:14:26 | |
-We knocked on the door -and a lady came to the door. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
-As soon as I opened my mouth, -she knew I was Welsh... | 0:14:31 | 0:14:34 | |
-..and she said, "Come in! Come in!" | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
-I said, "My wife's there." | 0:14:37 | 0:14:39 | |
-She said, -"Get your wife in as well." | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
-I thought, "Flippin' heck, -they're nice people here." | 0:14:42 | 0:14:46 | |
-We went in and she knew who I was. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
-She said, "You've just missed Betty -but I've got a photograph of her." | 0:14:48 | 0:14:53 | |
-That was the first photo -I'd seen of her. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:57 | |
-It was a nice thing to see. | 0:14:58 | 0:14:59 | |
-She gave me Betty's address and we -decided to go home and write to her. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:04 | |
-"..became the mother of a boy which -had to be passed on for adoption. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:11 | |
-"With the information we've gathered -through our investigative work... | 0:15:11 | 0:15:16 | |
-"..the girl in question -was yourself." | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
-"It certainly was a surprise -to receive your letter. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
-"My husband, Frank, and myself -would dearly love to meet you." | 0:15:25 | 0:15:29 | |
-I could tell from the letter that -she was delighted I'd found her. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:35 | |
-She was over the moon. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:36 | |
-We exchanged a few more letters, -then we arranged to meet. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:42 | |
-We met for the first time... | 0:15:43 | 0:15:45 | |
-..and as she wrote in her letters, -she was thrilled that I'd found her. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:51 | |
-We went up to Peterborough... | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
-..and we stayed in a hotel -on the other side of the town. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:01 | |
-We didn't know what to expect -and I was a bag of nerves. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
-We saw them -walking in from the car park. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
-When she actually came in -through the front door... | 0:16:08 | 0:16:12 | |
-..I can't put it into words -how emotional it was. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
-It blew me away. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:17 | |
-We hugged and kissed. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:19 | |
-I met Frank, her husband, of course. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:21 | |
-We got on really well. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
-To think that she hadn't seen me -for fifty-odd years. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
-The feeling was tremendous. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:32 | |
-We met several times after that. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:35 | |
-She came down to see us -and she stayed in Llanelli. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:41 | |
-Robin, her son, his wife -and their son came with them. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:47 | |
-It was surreal. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:50 | |
-It's hard to put it into words. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:55 | |
-Vanessa and I had been -talking about it for two years. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:01 | |
-We started the process -and we did the detective work... | 0:17:01 | 0:17:05 | |
-..and now we'd reached this point. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:08 | |
-It was a different chapter, really. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:11 | |
-We could move forward. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:12 | |
-It was fantastic. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:15 | |
-Absolutely. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:17 | |
-My mother went to Carshalton, -Surrey, as a trainee nurse. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:27 | |
-When she was doing her training... | 0:17:30 | 0:17:32 | |
-..she met the man -who turned out to be my father. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:37 | |
-He was studying in London. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:41 | |
-They met -when they were out somewhere. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
-I'm not sure where. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:46 | |
-They went out together -for quite some time. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
-She found out she was pregnant, -expecting me. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
-Because she was there -under the council's care... | 0:17:57 | 0:18:01 | |
-..she had to come home as soon -as she discovered she was pregnant. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:07 | |
-So she came back to Llanelli. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:09 | |
-She tried to find -the man she loved... | 0:18:11 | 0:18:16 | |
-..but he'd gone. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
-I'm an open-minded man. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:25 | |
-Mami told me that story but -there are two sides to every story. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:31 | |
-People give you all sorts of reasons -for giving up children for adoption. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:36 | |
-But when she met me and explained -her reasons for giving me up... | 0:18:36 | 0:18:41 | |
-..I had to listen to her. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:43 | |
-I was willing to listen. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
-I felt for her. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:49 | |
-I had sympathy for her -being put in that situation. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:54 | |
-She had no relatives -and no backup down here. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:58 | |
-Her father was at sea, -so he was never home. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
-I felt really sorry for her, -to be honest. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
-She wanted to keep me. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:08 | |
-There was a bit of a tug of war. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:13 | |
-It's quite sad, really. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:15 | |
-It's very sad. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:17 | |
-Without a doubt, she had a hard life -when she was young. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:21 | |
-She went through her life, -up to the age she is now... | 0:19:23 | 0:19:27 | |
-..keeping all these safe and sound. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:30 | |
-She only gave -some of this stuff to me recently. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
-They must have meant so much to her. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:40 | |
-And to think she had to let me go. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:42 | |
-She had no choice, really. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:48 | |
-The man she met in London... | 0:19:55 | 0:19:57 | |
-..and went out with -as boyfriend and girlfriend... | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
-..came from Malaysia. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:03 | |
-He was a Malayan. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:05 | |
-She gave me photographs -that show how he lived out there. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:10 | |
-He was connected to the royal family -out there. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:14 | |
-He was made a sultan back in 1963. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:20 | |
-He died in 1984. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:22 | |
-He was out on official business -and he had a heart attack. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:28 | |
-This is his full name. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:29 | |
-I can't pronounce it. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:31 | |
-Paduka Seri Sultan Idris -Al-Mutawakkil Alallahi Shah... | 0:20:31 | 0:20:37 | |
-..Ibni Almarhum Sultan Iskandar -Shah Kaddasullah. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:42 | |
-He was the 33rd Sultan of Perak. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
-The funny thing is, despite the fact -he had such a long name... | 0:20:49 | 0:20:53 | |
-..everyone knew him as Robert! | 0:20:54 | 0:20:56 | |
-HE LAUGHS | 0:20:56 | 0:20:58 | |
-How did he get that name? -I don't know! | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
-Brilliant! | 0:21:06 | 0:21:07 | |
-Timothy, my son, was on Myspace. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:25 | |
-Myspace was as popular then -as Facebook is now. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:29 | |
-He was on Myspace and suddenly, -a photo of my father appeared. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:36 | |
-Someone had posted a photo of him. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:41 | |
-It was pure luck that he saw it. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:43 | |
-It's the same photo -as the one I have. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
-He phoned me up -and told me to log on to Myspace. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:50 | |
-I didn't have a clue -what he was talking about. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
-I'm not interested in these things. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:56 | |
-He came up to the house -and I had to log on in my name. | 0:21:56 | 0:22:00 | |
-The woman who posted the picture -was called Ku Ess. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:06 | |
-I sent her a message, -trying to be as careful as I could. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:10 | |
-I didn't go at it -like a bull at a gate. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
-I asked her -if he went by the name Robert. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:16 | |
-She replied that it was him, -so I knew I was on the right track. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:21 | |
-We exchanged a couple of messages... | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
-..and she said it was best for me -to speak to her brother... | 0:22:24 | 0:22:28 | |
-..Ku Shah. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:30 | |
-He'd be able to help me more. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:33 | |
-She put me in contact with him. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:35 | |
-He replied straight away. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
-He told me he was very surprised. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:40 | |
-Nobody knew about me. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
-He sent a list to me of all ten -of his children's names. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:47 | |
-I've got ten siblings which -I knew nothing about until then. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:52 | |
-I became friends -with his sister too. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:57 | |
-The two of them lived in the palace -with our father, Robert. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:02 | |
-I was in touch with them and Ku Ess -and another girl became involved. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:10 | |
-Her name is Mahdia. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:11 | |
-Mahdia and Ku Ess were the youngest. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:14 | |
-They were in their early 30s. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:17 | |
-I got on well with them. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
-I haven't been out to Malaysia yet, -but I'm looking forward to going. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:24 | |
-I'll go in late September, -all being well... | 0:23:25 | 0:23:29 | |
-..and I'll finally get to meet -the people I've spoken to. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:33 | |
-I'm only in touch with four of them. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:35 | |
-Shah's dead, poor dab. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:37 | |
-He died last year. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:39 | |
-He would have been -the best man to have met... | 0:23:39 | 0:23:42 | |
-..because he was more open. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:44 | |
-He was more accepting, perhaps. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:47 | |
-We got along well. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:50 | |
-They said they could see the -likeness and all this type of thing. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:56 | |
-I'm looking forward to meeting them, -and I think they feel the same. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:02 | |
-June | 0:24:06 | 0:24:08 | |
-I received a phone call -at five o'clock yesterday morning. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:23 | |
-I was fast asleep. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:26 | |
-It was a call from America. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:28 | |
-It was my sister, Christine. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
-She told me our mother, Betty, -had passed away... | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
-..at Christine's home in Arizona. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:42 | |
-She died surrounded by her family. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:44 | |
-She was comfortable. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:46 | |
-It's quite sad. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:49 | |
-They wanted her to move out there. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:57 | |
-She'd lost Frank, her husband... | 0:24:57 | 0:25:01 | |
-..and she lost her son, Robin, -around seven or eight years ago. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:09 | |
-He popped in to see her every day -and losing him really affected her. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:15 | |
-The girls -wanted her to move there... | 0:25:19 | 0:25:21 | |
-..but she didn't want to -now that she'd met us. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
-She felt she'd be leaving us. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:28 | |
-The girls have been settled -in America for 25 or 30 years. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:32 | |
-I wasn't happy that she went -over there in October. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:39 | |
-Her health wasn't great even then. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:42 | |
-She had a stroke the year before -and she was starting to fade. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:46 | |
-She wasn't well... | 0:25:53 | 0:25:54 | |
-..but she wasn't too bad. | 0:25:56 | 0:25:58 | |
-When I last saw her, she was -walking around quite happily. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:02 | |
-She was happy -in her own environment. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:05 | |
-When she went out there, -she left her comfort zone. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:10 | |
-Keith's really sad -and he's really quiet. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:19 | |
-We're all shocked -that Betty went so suddenly. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:23 | |
-We knew she wasn't well... | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
-..but it's a big shock -that she died so suddenly. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:31 | |
-I'm devastated to have lost her. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:46 | |
-I've now lost two mothers - -my adoptive mother and Betty. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:54 | |
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-Since Betty's death, -I've had time to think a lot. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:26 | |
-I've realized there were questions -I should have asked her. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:32 | |
-I have no reason to doubt Betty, -but I want to take a DNA test... | 0:27:32 | 0:27:38 | |
-..to prove to the family in Malaysia -exactly who I am. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:43 | |
-The company in London -which does the tests... | 0:27:43 | 0:27:47 | |
-..told me that a male sample... | 0:27:47 | 0:27:52 | |
-..would give -a more direct positive result... | 0:27:52 | 0:27:56 | |
-..than a female sample. | 0:27:57 | 0:27:58 | |
-They spoke to my youngest brother, -who's in his early 40s. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:02 | |
-His name is Rashid. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:05 | |
-They talked to him about me... | 0:28:05 | 0:28:07 | |
-..and I assumed -he'd give a DNA sample. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:10 | |
-The indication was -that he was willing to do that. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
-However, when I took it -one step further... | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
-..and asked them to supply the name -and address of a private clinic... | 0:28:17 | 0:28:23 | |
-..so that we could -send out the packs... | 0:28:25 | 0:28:28 | |
-..she wrote back to me and said, -"No, he doesn't want to do it. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:33 | |
-"He'd rather keep out of it. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:35 | |
-"The issue is -we are no ordinary family. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:39 | |
-"We are protecting the family. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:41 | |
-"We do not want to open -any skeletons in the cupboard. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:44 | |
-"We hope you understand." | 0:28:45 | 0:28:47 | |
-I sent messages to Ku Ess, -my youngest sister. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:52 | |
-She's transgender. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:54 | |
-She was born a male. | 0:28:56 | 0:28:58 | |
-I've always said I don't want -to bring my father into disrepute. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:28 | |
-That's not something I want to do. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:31 | |
-I wanted to see the DNA results... | 0:29:31 | 0:29:33 | |
-..to satisfy myself -that I am who I say I am. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
-I think -they feel a bit threatened now. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:40 | |
-That's the crux of it. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:42 | |
-They feel a bit threatened. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:44 | |
-It's natural -to feel a bit disappointed. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:48 | |
-But I've got to stay positive. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:57 | |
-If I hadn't stayed positive, -I wouldn't have come this far. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:05 | |
-A lot of work and time -has gone into everything. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:08 | |
-I found Betty... | 0:30:09 | 0:30:11 | |
-..and, obviously, -I then found them out there. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:15 | |
-They've been really supportive -and accommodating. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:19 | |
-Everything was good. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:24 | |
-So I don't know. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:27 | |
-September | 0:30:34 | 0:30:36 | |
-It's exciting to think -I'm packing to head out to Malaysia. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:49 | |
-I never thought I'd see this day. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:52 | |
-I'm raring to go. | 0:30:55 | 0:30:57 | |
-I hope Dad gets some closure. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:05 | |
-I hope he achieves his goal... | 0:31:07 | 0:31:09 | |
-..of meeting the family in Malaysia. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:13 | |
-It would be nice -to find out what it's all about. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:20 | |
-We're all supportive. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:23 | |
-We're happy he's going -to meet the family in Malaysia. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:27 | |
-It'll be special. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:30 | |
-We're all excited for Keith. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:34 | |
-We're also a bit worried for him. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:36 | |
-We're delighted that Keith -will get to see the palace... | 0:31:37 | 0:31:41 | |
-..his father's resting place... | 0:31:41 | 0:31:43 | |
-..and the other places of interest -for him. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:47 | |
-We're worried about whether or not -the family in Malaysia... | 0:31:47 | 0:31:51 | |
-..will accept Keith -as their brother. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:54 | |
-It will be great if Dad can meet -his brothers and sisters... | 0:31:56 | 0:32:01 | |
-..out in Malaysia. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:05 | |
-It will put an end to it. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:07 | |
-I'm glad Timothy's coming with me. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:13 | |
-It means I'll have some company. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:16 | |
-I'm really looking forward to it. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:18 | |
-I can't wait to see the country... | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
-..and to meet whoever we can -when we're out there. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:25 | |
-I want to see a bit of the country -and see how they live. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:31 | |
-It's going to be emotional. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:37 | |
-There's no doubt about it. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:39 | |
-I'm going to see the tomb... | 0:32:42 | 0:32:47 | |
-..where my father was laid to rest. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:49 | |
-That's one of the things -I want to see. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:52 | |
-It goes without saying -that will be emotional. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:57 | |
-He's been dead for 30 years, -of course. | 0:32:57 | 0:33:01 | |
-It's just something I want to see. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:08 | |
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-After a twelve-hour flight... | 0:33:43 | 0:33:45 | |
-..to get out here... | 0:33:46 | 0:33:49 | |
-..it's nice to have my feet -on solid ground in Malaysia. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:53 | |
-Kuala Kangsar -is two hours north of Kuala Lumpur. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:58 | |
-First of all, Timothy and I -enjoy a trip down the river. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:07 | |
-I hope there's a message awaiting us -when we get back to the hotel. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:12 | |
-Thank you. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:14 | |
-I've been looking forward -to coming out here for a long time. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:19 | |
-I'm a little bit disappointed, -to be honest. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:23 | |
-I had hoped to meet -some of my relatives. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:27 | |
-They'd sort of said they were -willing to meet me when I got here. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:35 | |
-But things have turned cold. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:40 | |
-I can't get hold of anyone. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:42 | |
-They're not replying to my messages -and that's a bit frustrating. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:50 | |
-I can't talk to anyone. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:52 | |
-Hopefully, -someone will reply to his messages. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:59 | |
-Every time he doesn't get a reply, -he feels very disappointed. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:04 | |
-But we go on. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:06 | |
-We've got to go on. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:09 | |
-I'm just hoping that some of them -change their minds... | 0:35:12 | 0:35:16 | |
-..and that they contact me -in the next few days. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
-We'll see. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:22 | |
-We can just live in hope. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:25 | |
-Kuala Kangsar -was built around the royal palace. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:40 | |
-Robert lived there, in the palace, -for most of his life. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:48 | |
-The current sultan lives there too. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:53 | |
-I had hoped -to be invited to see it... | 0:35:54 | 0:35:57 | |
-..but I don't think -there's any chance of that. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:00 | |
-It's like ringing the doorbell -at Buckingham Palace... | 0:36:02 | 0:36:06 | |
-..and asking -if you can have a look round! | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
-I don't think it'll happen. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:11 | |
-I wanted to see -his final resting place. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:24 | |
-I'm glad I did see it, to be honest. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:28 | |
-It's hard to explain how I feel. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:32 | |
-I didn't know the man personally... | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
-..but he was my father. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:40 | |
-I'm glad I had a chance to see it. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:46 | |
-I feel as if -there's a part of me here. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:53 | |
-Well, there is a part of me here. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:55 | |
-Buried here. | 0:36:57 | 0:36:58 | |
-If I ever came back out here, -I'd want to return here. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:04 | |
-I'd want to see his tomb again. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:10 | |
-This is our final day -in the Kuala Kangsar area. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:31 | |
-We'll travel -down to Kuala Lumpur tomorrow. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:38 | |
-The hope is we'll get to meet -some members of my family. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:45 | |
-Fingers crossed. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:46 | |
-I hope I can talk to someone... | 0:37:46 | 0:37:50 | |
-..just to finish off -what we've seen. | 0:37:50 | 0:37:55 | |
-That would be good. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:56 | |
-I've been talking to Timothy -about this. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:49 | |
-We think that it's because -the whole thing is so sensitive. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:56 | |
-It's all to do with the ascendancy -which goes up to the sultan. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:03 | |
-My father was the 33rd sultan. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:07 | |
-His second cousin became the 34th. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:11 | |
-He died last year, -so his son became the 35th sultan. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:19 | |
-We've now come to understand -that Robert's eldest son... | 0:39:23 | 0:39:27 | |
-..has now been named as the person -who'll succeed our second cousin. | 0:39:28 | 0:39:33 | |
-What's striking fear into them -is I'm Robert's eldest son. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:40 | |
-What that means is, -according to their law... | 0:39:42 | 0:39:46 | |
-..although they've named the heir, -I should overtake him. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:53 | |
-I wouldn't want to be sultan. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:56 | |
-It's a different culture. | 0:39:56 | 0:39:59 | |
-I wasn't raised in it. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:01 | |
-They don't know that. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:04 | |
-I think that's why -they're a bit wary. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:07 | |
-It's about that fact, what I'll do -about it and what I want out of it. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:12 | |
-If they opened up a bit -and allowed me to meet them... | 0:40:15 | 0:40:19 | |
-..they'd understand -where I'm coming from. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:23 | |
-I'm not interested -in becoming the 36th sultan. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:29 | |
-The thought! | 0:40:30 | 0:40:32 | |
-That's not even in my mind. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:37 | |
-As I said, it's in their thoughts -and that's a shame, really. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:43 | |
-If we could meet, -it would be great... | 0:40:43 | 0:40:46 | |
-..but who knows? | 0:40:46 | 0:40:47 | |
-We may meet one day. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:48 | |
-We may even meet -before we leave tomorrow. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
-Hello, Ku Ess. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:33 | |
-How are you today? | 0:41:34 | 0:41:36 | |
-OK, we'll meet in the evening. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:41 | |
-Nine, ten o'clock in the night -is preferable to you. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:45 | |
-OK. Speak to you soon. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:47 | |
-Bye-bye. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:49 | |
-Bye. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:51 | |
-We've been hoping all week... | 0:41:52 | 0:41:56 | |
-..that I'd be able to meet someone. | 0:41:56 | 0:41:59 | |
-This has come -as a bolt from the blue, really. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:03 | |
-I picked up a message -on Facebook Messenger. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:08 | |
-She sent me a voice clip. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:11 | |
-I feel really happy now. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:17 | |
-I'm finally going to meet -one of the family... | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
-..and we'll do it -before we go home tomorrow. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:25 | |
-That's the icing on the cake for me. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:31 | |
-We'll meet her tonight -in this hotel... | 0:42:33 | 0:42:38 | |
-..and take it from there. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:41 | |
-The clock is ticking. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:51 | |
-She said she'd be here -between nine and ten... | 0:42:51 | 0:42:54 | |
-..so we're waiting for her. | 0:42:54 | 0:42:56 | |
-I talked to her again -and she's running a bit late. | 0:42:57 | 0:43:00 | |
-I'm a bit apprehensive -at the moment. | 0:43:00 | 0:43:03 | |
-I'm about to meet my half-sister -for the first time... | 0:43:03 | 0:43:07 | |
-..on the other side of the world. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:09 | |
-I'm looking forward to it. | 0:43:12 | 0:43:14 | |
-I don't care what time she arrives. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:17 | |
-Although we're leaving -early tomorrow... | 0:43:17 | 0:43:20 | |
-..it makes no difference. | 0:43:21 | 0:43:22 | |
-I just want to meet her, -and she wants to meet me too. | 0:43:22 | 0:43:26 | |
-I can't wait. | 0:43:28 | 0:43:30 | |
-I'll have butterflies -in my stomach later... | 0:43:32 | 0:43:35 | |
-..but I look forward to meeting her. | 0:43:35 | 0:43:38 | |
-The long wait is over. | 0:43:58 | 0:44:00 | |
-I met Ku Ess. | 0:44:02 | 0:44:05 | |
-She did turn up. | 0:44:05 | 0:44:06 | |
-She was running late, -so I was there waiting and hoping. | 0:44:07 | 0:44:12 | |
-She turned up... | 0:44:12 | 0:44:14 | |
-..and it was quite emotional for me. | 0:44:14 | 0:44:19 | |
-I've known her -for six or seven years. | 0:44:19 | 0:44:24 | |
-We discussed me coming over here -and so on. | 0:44:26 | 0:44:29 | |
-The fact that I got to meet her -in the end was great. | 0:44:35 | 0:44:40 | |
-It really was good. | 0:44:40 | 0:44:42 | |
-I told her we were over here doing -a bit of filming about my story. | 0:44:43 | 0:44:49 | |
-I asked her how she'd feel... | 0:44:51 | 0:44:56 | |
-..about talking on camera. | 0:44:58 | 0:45:01 | |
-I explained to her -that she didn't have to say much. | 0:45:02 | 0:45:05 | |
-I just wanted her to chat to me... | 0:45:05 | 0:45:08 | |
-..but she didn't feel -it would be safe for her to do so... | 0:45:08 | 0:45:12 | |
-..because of her position -and her title. | 0:45:13 | 0:45:18 | |
-She goes under the title -Her Royal Highness. | 0:45:20 | 0:45:23 | |
-She didn't feel it would be right... | 0:45:24 | 0:45:29 | |
-..for her to talk on camera. | 0:45:29 | 0:45:32 | |
-She has to be careful -who she talks to... | 0:45:32 | 0:45:34 | |
-..where she talks to people -and what she says. | 0:45:34 | 0:45:37 | |
-She apologized. | 0:45:39 | 0:45:42 | |
-She was sorry -but she didn't feel it was right. | 0:45:45 | 0:45:49 | |
-She wasn't willing to do it, -basically. | 0:45:50 | 0:45:53 | |
-Unfortunately, -we had to leave it like that. | 0:45:54 | 0:45:58 | |
-I think I'd like to get to know -more members of my family. | 0:46:04 | 0:46:08 | |
-I'd like to meet someone -who's higher up... | 0:46:09 | 0:46:14 | |
-..just to explain -I don't want anything out of it. | 0:46:14 | 0:46:17 | |
-Whether that will happen, -I don't know. | 0:46:17 | 0:46:20 | |
-I'll weigh things up and see -what develops in the coming months. | 0:46:22 | 0:46:27 | |
-I'll take it from there. | 0:46:27 | 0:46:28 | |
-When we started to look into it... | 0:46:39 | 0:46:41 | |
-..to try to find -the identity of my birth mother... | 0:46:43 | 0:46:49 | |
-..and my birth father... | 0:46:50 | 0:46:52 | |
-..I never imagined I'd end up -sitting down with a queen... | 0:46:56 | 0:47:00 | |
-..who went out of her way -to meet me. | 0:47:01 | 0:47:03 | |
-It blows your mind away. | 0:47:05 | 0:47:08 | |
-Beyond that, -we have the same father. | 0:47:09 | 0:47:12 | |
-She's my half-sister. | 0:47:12 | 0:47:13 | |
-That's a big thing. | 0:47:14 | 0:47:17 | |
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