Iestyn Garlick: Stori Mabwysiadu

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-I've known my entire life -that I was adopted.	0:00:28	0:00:31
-Hand on heart, I have no idea -what I'll do and how I'll react.	0:00:35	0:00:40
-This isn't something -that will just happen today.	0:00:41	0:00:45
-It's forever.	0:00:45	0:00:47
-Oh, God.	0:00:49	0:00:50
-I think, Iestyn, -that I've found things...	0:00:57	0:01:00
-..that I didn't think I would find.	0:01:00	0:01:03
-Hello?	0:01:07	0:01:09
-Oh, my God.	0:01:10	0:01:12
-Here he is, the man himself...	0:01:20	0:01:23
-..Iestyn...	0:01:23	0:01:24
-..Garlick.	0:01:25	0:01:26
-Thank you and good evening. -A warm welcome to you.	0:01:27	0:01:30
-Iestyn Garlick is used to -appearing in front of a camera...	0:01:31	0:01:34
-..as a TV presenter and actor.	0:01:35	0:01:36
-How do you know about that?	0:01:37	0:01:38
-On international rugby weekends, -Iestyn works in Cardiff...	0:01:39	0:01:44
-..in the national stadium.	0:01:44	0:01:47
-Iestyn is the voice on the PA -system during rugby internationals.	0:01:47	0:01:51
-Is it 'McGrah' or 'McGrath'?	0:01:51	0:01:53
-Is it 'McGrah' or 'McGrath'? - -'McGrah'.	0:01:53	0:01:55
-I've got that right then.	0:01:56	0:01:58
-Today, Wales take on Ireland.	0:01:58	0:02:01
-Ladies and gentlemen...	0:02:01	0:02:04
-..would you please stand -for the anthems.	0:02:04	0:02:08
-The game against Ireland always -makes Iestyn think about his mother.	0:02:13	0:02:20
-The Irish woman -who couldn't keep him.	0:02:20	0:02:23
-About 20 years ago -I decided to start searching...	0:02:33	0:02:38
-..for my biological mother.	0:02:38	0:02:40
-One of the first things I received -was the birth certificate.	0:02:41	0:02:47
-I found out that my original name -was Kevin Augustine Donnelly.	0:02:47	0:02:53
-My natural birth mother -was Mary Rose Donnelly.	0:02:56	0:03:00
-I took it see was Irish. Seeing that -for the first time shook me.	0:03:00	0:03:05
-I'm eager to discover...	0:03:07	0:03:10
-..who she was, -what the circumstances were.	0:03:12	0:03:14
-That's what I want to know.	0:03:14	0:03:17
-The birth certificate shows -that Kevin Augustine Donnelly...	0:03:18	0:03:22
-..was born in 1952 in Swansea.	0:03:23	0:03:26
-For the first time since...	0:03:27	0:03:28
-..Iestyn returns to the place -where he was adopted.	0:03:29	0:03:32
-Nazareth House in Swansea.	0:03:32	0:03:35
-I've always known that I was adopted -from Nazareth House.	0:03:36	0:03:40
-The story -my father and mother told me...	0:03:40	0:03:44
-..was the story of how I was chosen.	0:03:44	0:03:47
-I was in some kind of basket.	0:03:48	0:03:50
-My father would describe -how I held on to his finger.	0:03:52	0:03:57
-That was the norm for me.	0:03:57	0:03:59
-Wow.	0:04:00	0:04:01
-This is familiar to me, -from the photos.	0:04:02	0:04:04
-Do I park here?	0:04:04	0:04:05
-Before it was turned -into an old people's home...	0:04:14	0:04:17
-..Nazareth House was home -to 190 orphaned children and babies.	0:04:18	0:04:22
-The Catholic Church ran the home.	0:04:22	0:04:25
-It was know locally -as the baby factory...	0:04:25	0:04:29
-..since this is where people -would come to adopt a child.	0:04:29	0:04:33
-Including Elin and Raymond Garlick, -Kevin Donnelly's new parents.	0:04:33	0:04:38
-This is where I would have come.	0:04:39	0:04:41
-Most probably in that archway...	0:04:42	0:04:44
-..there would be a statue -of the Virgin Mary.	0:04:44	0:04:48
-The emotions -going through someone's mind.	0:05:06	0:05:10
-This is where the -mother and father that adopted me...	0:05:10	0:05:14
-..this is how they saw it.	0:05:14	0:05:16
-I'm seeing it, -through my own eyes, granted...	0:05:16	0:05:19
-..but not as a child but as an -adult, which is how they saw it.	0:05:19	0:05:24
-It's a huge place.	0:05:24	0:05:26
-The Church kept a file on every -child adopted in Nazareth House.	0:05:26	0:05:32
-It's hard to imagine -the sound of babies here.	0:05:32	0:05:36
-While searching 20 years ago...	0:05:37	0:05:39
-..Iestyn found a copy -of a letter in his file.	0:05:39	0:05:42
-A letter written -by Mary Rose Donnelly.	0:05:43	0:05:46
-Dear Father Poyner...	0:05:50	0:05:52
-..it has relieved my mind a lot -to hear you say...	0:05:52	0:05:56
-..that Kevin has been lucky -in the home he has gone to.	0:05:56	0:05:59
-I hope you'll not think -it impertinent of me...	0:06:00	0:06:03
-..asking for those details.	0:06:03	0:06:05
-But I still have a mother's heart -and I would do a lot...	0:06:06	0:06:11
-..to be able to have him myself.	0:06:12	0:06:14
-But it is because I think I am doing -the best thing letting him go.	0:06:14	0:06:19
-Yours gratefully, -Mary Rose Donnelly.	0:06:19	0:06:22
-I do know -that when I read this first...	0:06:22	0:06:25
-..I was in floods of tears.	0:06:25	0:06:27
-It's not something -that was easy for her.	0:06:30	0:06:32
-She doesn't say I know - -"I think I am doing the best thing."	0:06:34	0:06:38
-It's not...	0:06:39	0:06:41
-She's had to think about it.	0:06:42	0:06:44
-The question that arises is...	0:06:44	0:06:47
-..why does she think -she is doing the best thing?	0:06:47	0:06:50
-That's what we don't know right now. -We may never know the answer.	0:06:51	0:06:56
-There's no point stopping -trying to find out...	0:06:57	0:07:00
-..even though it's late in the day.	0:07:00	0:07:02
-The spur to start searching -20 years ago was his son Steffan.	0:07:07	0:07:11
-Coming for a walk? No?	0:07:11	0:07:14
-Come on.	0:07:14	0:07:16
-One, two, three. Around we go.	0:07:16	0:07:18
-Sit.	0:07:18	0:07:20
-You have to be honest with yourself.	0:07:25	0:07:28
-The greatest nightmare...	0:07:28	0:07:31
-..is discovering -that your child isn't right.	0:07:31	0:07:35
-It's strange, isn't it?	0:07:35	0:07:37
-That's what happens to his hands.	0:07:39	0:07:41
-The syndrome he has is something -called drumstick fingers.	0:07:41	0:07:46
-They're fat at the top -and thin at the bottom.	0:07:47	0:07:50
-When it happens to you...	0:07:50	0:07:53
-..you wouldn't change Steff -for the world.	0:07:53	0:07:58
-Something else takes over.	0:07:58	0:08:00
-A deep, deep, deep bond -takes over...	0:08:01	0:08:04
-..which takes us back -to the letter.	0:08:06	0:08:08
-How did she do that?	0:08:11	0:08:13
-There's must have been -something very, very definite...	0:08:13	0:08:17
-..driving her on to do that.	0:08:17	0:08:19
-I don't believe... It's not -a matter of believing, I know...	0:08:20	0:08:24
-..that I could never ever -have done that.	0:08:24	0:08:28
-Iestyn wants to restart the search -for Mary Rose Donnelly.	0:08:31	0:08:36
-He's meeting Theresa Ryan -from the After Adoption charity.	0:08:36	0:08:41
-The best way to start is for you to -tell me why you reached this point.	0:08:42	0:08:48
-I can see from the documents that -you did some research 20 years ago.	0:08:48	0:08:53
-You've restarted now.	0:08:54	0:08:56
-I'd reached the point...	0:08:57	0:08:59
-..where I'd received -a pile of death certificates...	0:08:59	0:09:04
-..in Mary's name...	0:09:05	0:09:07
-..and, of course, -that's rather depressing.	0:09:07	0:09:10
-There comes a point when you say, -"Well, do I want to carry on?"	0:09:11	0:09:15
-I felt we weren't going anywhere.	0:09:15	0:09:18
-I don't think she's still alive.	0:09:19	0:09:23
-I base that on the fact that my -adopted mother is no longer with us.	0:09:23	0:09:27
-Theresa tries to discover -one fact that's lost in the papers.	0:09:27	0:09:32
-Mary Rose Donnelly's birthdate.	0:09:32	0:09:35
-Without it, it will be difficult to -discover more information about her.	0:09:35	0:09:40
-For Iestyn, his aim is to see -a photo of his biological mother.	0:09:40	0:09:45
-You said you wanted a photo.	0:09:45	0:09:47
-You said you wanted a photo. - -I'd be happy with a photo.	0:09:47	0:09:49
-I'd be happy with a photo -I could hang on the wall.	0:09:49	0:09:52
-I'd like to know more about her. -She sounds like an alright person.	0:09:52	0:09:57
-This can take a week. -A month. Six months.	0:09:57	0:10:01
-Six years.	0:10:01	0:10:02
-We don't know...	0:10:03	0:10:05
-..how quickly the information -will emerge and see what's what.	0:10:05	0:10:11
-Good luck to you.	0:10:11	0:10:13
-I like to think I'm in control -most of the time...	0:10:17	0:10:20
-..but I've started something now.	0:10:20	0:10:22
-Maybe, maybe, maybe, I'll manage -to do something with this.	0:10:23	0:10:27
-I might come out of this -with something concrete.	0:10:27	0:10:31
-Of course, -we don't know what that is yet.	0:10:31	0:10:34
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-Iestyn Garlick has been searching -for his natural mother for 20 years.	0:10:55	0:11:00
-Today, he hopes to discover if all -the searching has been a success.	0:11:00	0:11:06
-He's in Pembroke Dock, in the street -where he was adopted as a baby...	0:11:06	0:11:12
-..by Elin and Raymond Garlick, -back in 1952.	0:11:12	0:11:16
-I'm surprised -the street's still here.	0:11:17	0:11:19
-There was a school -where the chemist now stands.	0:11:19	0:11:24
-Number 10.	0:11:28	0:11:30
-I don't think it was painted green -when we lived here.	0:11:34	0:11:37
-It's in good condition.	0:11:37	0:11:40
-This was my first home.	0:11:41	0:11:43
-For the first months -of my life here...	0:11:43	0:11:46
-..I had no cot - -I slept in a drawer.	0:11:46	0:11:48
-Straight up - they didn't close -the drawer, they pulled it out.	0:11:49	0:11:53
-Don't misunderstand.	0:11:53	0:11:55
-I have a photo of him -standing here holding the pram.	0:11:56	0:12:01
-I had an incredible start in life.	0:12:01	0:12:06
-There aren't enough words -to express my appreciation to them.	0:12:07	0:12:11
-Every child who's been adopted -will have something similar to say.	0:12:11	0:12:16
-They never start searching for -their natural father or mother...	0:12:16	0:12:23
-..while their adoptive parents -are still alive.	0:12:23	0:12:28
-There's something -in the back of your mind...	0:12:28	0:12:32
-..where you think, "I don't want -to hurt their feelings.	0:12:32	0:12:35
-"They've given me -such a great life."	0:12:35	0:12:38
-You just don't do it. I didn't.	0:12:38	0:12:42
-Sometimes you regret -you didn't start searching earlier.	0:12:42	0:12:45
-I can't turn back the clock.	0:12:46	0:12:47
-18 months have passed since -Theresa Ryan started searching...	0:12:50	0:12:54
-..for Mary Rose Donnelly, -Iestyn's biological mother.	0:12:54	0:12:58
-Both have arranged to meet -in Pembroke Dock town hall.	0:12:58	0:13:03
-Do you know where we are now? -I saw you looking around earlier.	0:13:03	0:13:06
-I don't, no. Is it the town hall?	0:13:07	0:13:09
-It's the town hall now -but it was the court in the 1950s...	0:13:10	0:13:14
-..when you were adopted.	0:13:14	0:13:16
-Raymond and Elin Garlick came here.	0:13:16	0:13:21
-The judge granted the adoption order -in this court.	0:13:21	0:13:27
-Is that still the case?	0:13:27	0:13:30
-The... The adopters -must attend court, yes.	0:13:30	0:13:36
-Oh, right.	0:13:37	0:13:38
-When Mary Rose -gave her child up for adoption...	0:13:38	0:13:42
-..the court asked her -to fill out a questionnaire.	0:13:42	0:13:46
-Theresa has found Mary Rose -Donnelly's questionnaire.	0:13:46	0:13:49
-Here is written, -Infant Kevin Augustine Donnelly.	0:13:49	0:13:53
-Date of birth, 13 July. -Information about your mother.	0:13:53	0:13:58
-She worked -in residential homes for children.	0:13:58	0:14:05
-As a children's nurse.	0:14:07	0:14:09
-Really?	0:14:09	0:14:11
-At the time, -she worked in Nazareth House.	0:14:11	0:14:14
-In Rednal, Birmingham.	0:14:14	0:14:17
-That's where she worked at the time.	0:14:18	0:14:20
-When she was expecting you, -she lived in Birmingham.	0:14:21	0:14:25
-She moved to Swansea -and gave birth to her baby.	0:14:25	0:14:29
-I can only thank her for that!	0:14:29	0:14:31
-Seriously.	0:14:34	0:14:35
-Oh, mother! Birmingham.	0:14:38	0:14:41
-I've found a letter -that was written...	0:14:42	0:14:46
-..to the children's department -in Birmingham.	0:14:47	0:14:50
-Dear Sir, will you please note -that Miss Donnelly is known...	0:14:50	0:14:54
-..at Nazareth House, Rednal, -and is anxious...	0:14:54	0:14:58
-..that her circumstances -should not be known there.	0:14:58	0:15:01
-In view of this, she has asked -that any correspondence...	0:15:02	0:15:07
-..be addressed c/o Miss Moriarty, -28 Cromwell Road, Rugby.	0:15:07	0:15:13
-That's... -It's not my place to say it.	0:15:13	0:15:17
-It suggests that she's embarrassed.	0:15:18	0:15:20
-This is the reason Mary gave -for giving you up for adoption.	0:15:20	0:15:25
-She feels it is in -the best interests of the child...	0:15:25	0:15:30
-..and unable -to support him satisfactorily.	0:15:30	0:15:34
-When did the parent -part with the infant?	0:15:35	0:15:38
-24 July '52.	0:15:38	0:15:40
-Ten days...	0:15:43	0:15:45
-..after I was born.	0:15:46	0:15:48
-Poor woman. Pity.	0:15:50	0:15:53
-Mary Rose worked in Nazareth House, -Birmingham...	0:15:55	0:16:00
-..a home for orphaned children.	0:16:00	0:16:03
-She lived at the house and received -an income of 2 a month.	0:16:03	0:16:08
-This is your mother's birthdate.	0:16:09	0:16:12
-Right.	0:16:13	0:16:14
-This shows that she was 41 -when you were born.	0:16:15	0:16:18
-She was born on 16 June 1911.	0:16:18	0:16:22
-Goodness. She was quite old then.	0:16:23	0:16:26
-In relative terms.	0:16:26	0:16:28
-I wanted to know -if she was still alive.	0:16:28	0:16:33
-She died...	0:16:35	0:16:37
-..in 2008.	0:16:39	0:16:41
-Dear me.	0:16:41	0:16:43
-She was 97 when she died.	0:16:43	0:16:46
-2008.	0:16:51	0:16:53
-When I started doing this...	0:16:53	0:16:55
-..over 20 years ago, -when I started the process...	0:16:58	0:17:01
-..had you been with me back then...	0:17:04	0:17:07
-..I may well have met her.	0:17:07	0:17:09
-2008.	0:17:13	0:17:15
-I think, Iestyn, -I've discovered things...	0:17:19	0:17:23
-..I didn't think I'd discover.	0:17:24	0:17:27
-Here's the interesting part.	0:17:28	0:17:31
-Are there any other children? -Yes.	0:17:31	0:17:34
-She already had another child.	0:17:36	0:17:38
-Carry on. I'm glad I'm sitting down.	0:17:45	0:17:47
-You have... You have a brother.	0:17:48	0:17:52
-He was born in 1949.	0:17:53	0:17:55
-That would mean...	0:17:59	0:18:00
-That would mean... - -He's three years older than me then.	0:18:00	0:18:03
-I have a brother.	0:18:06	0:18:08
-You did have then.	0:18:09	0:18:10
-Back then.	0:18:10	0:18:12
-Whatever happened to him, -wherever he is...	0:18:15	0:18:18
-..dead or alive, -he's still my brother.	0:18:18	0:18:21
-Did this other child have a name?	0:18:22	0:18:24
-Dermott Donnelly.	0:18:24	0:18:26
-Dermott Donnelly.	0:18:30	0:18:33
-And Kevin.	0:18:33	0:18:34
-Can I ask if you know where he is, -where does he live?	0:18:35	0:18:41
-Are you asking me -to search for your brother?	0:18:41	0:18:45
-Yes. There's only -three years between us.	0:18:45	0:18:49
-There's a strong possibility -that he's still alive somewhere.	0:18:50	0:18:56
-It's better if we stopped now.	0:18:56	0:18:58
-You've done something to me day - -I'm not sure what!	0:18:58	0:19:03
-I'm not sure what I expected -from Theresa this morning.	0:19:11	0:19:17
-The notion that I have -a half-brother somewhere...	0:19:18	0:19:22
-..is strange - -I'm not sure what to make of it.	0:19:22	0:19:25
-I don't know if I truly -want to meet him.	0:19:26	0:19:30
-I don't know if he wants to meet me -- he might not know about me.	0:19:30	0:19:35
-I've never thought about it.	0:19:35	0:19:37
-Hiya, it's me.	0:19:40	0:19:42
-I have a brother.	0:19:42	0:19:44
-You have a what? Brother?	0:19:44	0:19:47
-My God!	0:19:47	0:19:49
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-A fortnight after Iestyn Garlick -discovered he had a brother...	0:20:10	0:20:14
-..he's heading to the After -Adoption agency in Liverpool...	0:20:14	0:20:20
-..to hear more news.	0:20:20	0:20:22
-It's a very strange feeling to -discover that I have a brother...	0:20:22	0:20:27
-..or a half-brother.	0:20:27	0:20:29
-I'm not sure.	0:20:29	0:20:31
-I don't truly know -how I feel about that.	0:20:32	0:20:35
-He's discovered that his mother, -Mary Rose Donnelly...	0:20:35	0:20:39
-..put him up for adoption -in a home called Nazareth House...	0:20:40	0:20:44
-..ten days after he was born.	0:20:44	0:20:46
-She had another son, Dermott -Donnelly, who was three years older.	0:20:47	0:20:52
-Iestyn asked Theresa Ryan -to search for more information...	0:20:53	0:20:57
-..about his biological mother -and his brother.	0:20:58	0:21:01
-What I've done is started the search -for your brother.	0:21:01	0:21:05
-To do that, I started with -your mother's death certificate.	0:21:06	0:21:12
-Right.	0:21:13	0:21:14
-I have that here.	0:21:14	0:21:16
-She died in the London borough -of Barnet.	0:21:17	0:21:20
-She died on 17 November 2008...	0:21:24	0:21:28
-..in Nazareth House, Finchley.	0:21:28	0:21:31
-I didn't expect that.	0:21:32	0:21:34
-Her association with Nazareth House -has been very close.	0:21:34	0:21:40
-She never married.	0:21:40	0:21:42
-OK.	0:21:42	0:21:44
-Her date of birth, 16 June 1911.	0:21:44	0:21:47
-In Pomeroy, County Tyrone. -Northern Ireland.	0:21:47	0:21:52
-Really? Pomeroy, Tyrone.	0:21:52	0:21:55
-Pomeroy, County Tyrone. -You know what I'll do next.	0:21:57	0:22:01
-I'll Google Pomeroy, County Tyrone.	0:22:01	0:22:04
-I've already done that.	0:22:04	0:22:07
-It shows that only 600 people -live there now.	0:22:07	0:22:12
-It's a Catholic area. Well, it was.	0:22:12	0:22:16
-When we look at informants...	0:22:16	0:22:19
-..we read the name Dermott Donnelly.	0:22:19	0:22:23
-Son.	0:22:25	0:22:26
-At the time he registered -the death of Mary Rose...	0:22:27	0:22:34
-..he also lived in Finchley, London.	0:22:34	0:22:38
-This suggests that she...	0:22:38	0:22:40
-..stayed in touch...	0:22:45	0:22:47
-..but she was in touch -with the first son, Dermott.	0:22:48	0:22:52
-I would say...	0:22:52	0:22:53
-..well, I don't know, but I would -say that they kept in touch...	0:22:54	0:22:58
-..because he registered her death.	0:22:59	0:23:02
-It appears that Mary Rose -had kept her first son, Dermott...	0:23:03	0:23:07
-..and given her second son, Iestyn, -up for adoption.	0:23:08	0:23:12
-I then asked Jack, my researcher...	0:23:12	0:23:16
-..if he could discover more...	0:23:17	0:23:21
-..about Dermott.	0:23:21	0:23:23
-Jack's discovered an address...	0:23:26	0:23:29
-..where he thinks there's a strong -possibility Dermott lives.	0:23:29	0:23:34
-So...	0:23:39	0:23:40
-..what's the next step?	0:23:43	0:23:44
-It's up to you. Do you want us -to try and contact him?	0:23:45	0:23:48
-Yes, yes.	0:23:48	0:23:50
-It's not clear to me and I'm sure -it's not possible to be clear...	0:23:50	0:23:56
-At what stage do you reach -the point of no return?	0:23:56	0:24:02
-You can see the can of worms -without actually opening it.	0:24:05	0:24:10
-When we contact people.	0:24:11	0:24:13
-You have to think -where this will take us.	0:24:13	0:24:17
-Do we want that? -What does it mean to them?	0:24:18	0:24:21
-We have a responsibility -for them too.	0:24:22	0:24:25
-Yes, yes.	0:24:25	0:24:26
-Iestyn wants to know how the news -will be broken to Dermott.	0:24:27	0:24:33
-Theresa takes him -to the After Adoption office...	0:24:33	0:24:36
-..to show him the letter -that will be sent.	0:24:36	0:24:39
-Can I read this?	0:24:41	0:24:43
-Can I read this? - -We'll go through it.	0:24:43	0:24:44
-Dear Mr Donnelly, -you state who you are...	0:24:44	0:24:49
-..you state what you do -as an organisation.	0:24:49	0:24:53
-We have been contacted -by an adopted person...	0:24:53	0:24:56
-..who has been trying -to trace his birth family.	0:24:56	0:24:59
-Our research tells us that he -was related to Mary Rose Donnelly.	0:25:00	0:25:05
-He is also looking for any other -birth relatives he might have.	0:25:05	0:25:09
-You've stated your reason -for doing so.	0:25:10	0:25:14
-Then you explain -that you think he is the son...	0:25:15	0:25:18
-..of the same Mary Rose Donnelly.	0:25:19	0:25:21
-You say you'll post this at some -point the beginning of next week.	0:25:21	0:25:27
-This will be sent on Tuesday.	0:25:27	0:25:30
-31st.	0:25:30	0:25:31
-After the bank holiday.	0:25:32	0:25:34
-I'll print it now.	0:25:34	0:25:37
-I'll get it.	0:25:39	0:25:41
-As the day has worn on, -my situation has changed.	0:25:44	0:25:48
-I'm not jealous, by the way. -Before anyone asks.	0:25:48	0:25:52
-I'm not jealous that he had the time -with her and I didn't.	0:25:52	0:25:57
-That's not an issue.	0:25:58	0:26:00
-It would have been sad had she not -known one of us during her lifetime.	0:26:00	0:26:05
-It's clear that she knew one.	0:26:05	0:26:07
-That one might not know -about the other.	0:26:07	0:26:10
-I'll sign my name there.	0:26:17	0:26:19
-I can put it in...	0:26:19	0:26:20
-..and one of the staff will send it.	0:26:21	0:26:25
-The day after the letter was posted, -Theresa's asked Iestyn to phone her.	0:26:36	0:26:41
-Hello, Iestyn.	0:26:45	0:26:48
-I have an update for you.	0:26:48	0:26:50
-Dermott has responded.	0:26:51	0:26:55
-He didn't hang around.	0:26:55	0:26:58
-He responded with an email.	0:26:58	0:27:01
-It was a little bit of a shock, -I think.	0:27:01	0:27:05
-He wants to know how you think -you're related to him.	0:27:05	0:27:11
-I'll email him tonight -and ask him to ring me tomorrow.	0:27:11	0:27:14
-Let me know.	0:27:15	0:27:17
-I will.	0:27:18	0:27:20
-Ta-ra.	0:27:20	0:27:22
-That was... -That was a little bit unexpected.	0:27:25	0:27:29
-It's becoming clear that Mary Rose -kept the information from him.	0:27:31	0:27:37
-It would have been -a disappointment to him...	0:27:37	0:27:40
-..but that disappointment -exists now.	0:27:40	0:27:43
-A week has passed -since the phone call.	0:27:48	0:27:52
-Theresa wants to meet Iestyn -face to face.	0:27:53	0:27:57
-It'll be interesting to see -what Theresa has to say...	0:27:58	0:28:03
-..when she arrives.	0:28:03	0:28:05
-The fact that he had no idea -about me.	0:28:06	0:28:10
-Any mother must be aware -of her child's date of birth.	0:28:11	0:28:17
-She must have shared it with someone -but not with her son.	0:28:18	0:28:25
-Hiya.	0:28:27	0:28:28
-Hi, Iestyn. How are you?	0:28:29	0:28:31
-OK? Let's sit outside, -it's a nice day.	0:28:31	0:28:35
-Since the first phone call...	0:28:35	0:28:37
-..Theresa has kept in touch -with Dermott.	0:28:37	0:28:41
-He was upset.	0:28:42	0:28:44
-He cried, or he at least -fought back the tears.	0:28:44	0:28:47
-He said he had no idea.	0:28:47	0:28:50
-He wanted to know where you lived.	0:28:52	0:28:56
-I said North Wales.	0:28:56	0:28:58
-He said he used to climb -in Snowdonia...	0:28:58	0:29:03
-..every month, until recently.	0:29:03	0:29:07
-He said he was going to speak -to a family friend.	0:29:07	0:29:12
-On Tuesday morning, -he contacted me again.	0:29:14	0:29:17
-He was a lot better then. -"I'm feeling a lot better," he said.	0:29:17	0:29:21
-"Her friend, who was a friend of -the family, she knew all about it."	0:29:21	0:29:26
-No.	0:29:27	0:29:28
-Interesting.	0:29:29	0:29:30
-So she had spoken -to her friend about it.	0:29:31	0:29:34
-I've always thought -that it would be very difficult...	0:29:34	0:29:39
-..to keep that kind of secret -to yourself for such a long time.	0:29:39	0:29:44
-I'm glad she was able -to have that release.	0:29:44	0:29:48
-His mother had lived with him -until she was 90.	0:29:50	0:29:54
-When she was about 90, -she had Alzheimer's.	0:29:56	0:30:00
-After a while, she needed care.	0:30:03	0:30:06
-What's interesting -about where she's buried...	0:30:06	0:30:09
-..they took her back to Pomeroy...	0:30:09	0:30:11
-She's buried in Pomeroy.	0:30:15	0:30:17
-Pomeroy.	0:30:17	0:30:19
-He said he'd like some contact.	0:30:20	0:30:23
-I asked him -how he'd like that to happen.	0:30:23	0:30:28
-A letter, email?	0:30:29	0:30:31
-He said he would be happy -with either.	0:30:31	0:30:34
-I presume a hand-written letter...	0:30:35	0:30:41
-..would be...	0:30:42	0:30:44
-..would be the right thing to do.	0:30:46	0:30:48
-I could include...	0:30:48	0:30:50
-I could include... - -Not too long either.	0:30:50	0:30:52
-Just to make that contact.	0:30:52	0:30:54
-It appears that I won't only -have a photo...	0:30:55	0:30:58
-..but there's the potential -of having a photo...	0:30:59	0:31:04
-..of me with my brother.	0:31:04	0:31:06
-So, Theresa, I can only thank you.	0:31:07	0:31:09
-Thank you very much. Incredible.	0:31:09	0:31:11
-Now that Iestyn has -Dermott's address in London...	0:31:16	0:31:19
-..he's writing a letter -to his brother.	0:31:19	0:31:22
-We'll do it on your thing.	0:31:22	0:31:25
-Do you know what you'll write?	0:31:28	0:31:30
-I think I'll stun him -by starting Dear Dermott...!	0:31:31	0:31:35
-Hello, Dermott.	0:31:35	0:31:37
-I'm so glad for him.	0:31:37	0:31:39
-He only wanted a photo.	0:31:39	0:31:41
-He would have been happy -with a photo of Mary Rose.	0:31:41	0:31:44
-Then he discovered everything else.	0:31:44	0:31:47
-I hope that in time -we'll be able to meet face to face.	0:31:47	0:31:51
-How do you end a letter like this? -What do you say?	0:31:51	0:31:55
-Yours faithfully?	0:31:56	0:31:57
-Yours faithfully? - -Best wishes?	0:31:57	0:31:58
-This is just amazing.	0:31:59	0:32:01
-Just to think...	0:32:01	0:32:03
-..they might finally meet.	0:32:03	0:32:05
-It'd be great.	0:32:05	0:32:07
-.	0:32:13	0:32:13
-Subtitles	0:32:15	0:32:15
-Subtitles - -Subtitles	0:32:15	0:32:17
-20 years ago, Iestyn Garlick started -searching for his biological mother.	0:32:30	0:32:36
-Mary Rose Donnelly.	0:32:36	0:32:38
-He's heading to London -to meet Mary Rose's eldest son...	0:32:38	0:32:41
-..for the first time - -Dermott Donnelly, his brother.	0:32:41	0:32:46
-He's agreed to meet today -for the first time...	0:32:46	0:32:49
-..on neutral ground, in London.	0:32:49	0:32:52
-I've brought this picture -of where I walk the dog.	0:32:52	0:32:57
-Myself and Lynne, my wife.	0:32:58	0:33:00
-It's a picture of Llanberis Lake.	0:33:00	0:33:03
-On the back I've written...	0:33:04	0:33:06
-..A memento -of a momentous meeting in London.	0:33:06	0:33:12
-Iestyn and Dermott.	0:33:12	0:33:14
-Fair play to the man.	0:33:14	0:33:16
-I've always known -that I was adopted.	0:33:16	0:33:20
-He's only known for six weeks -that he has a brother.	0:33:20	0:33:26
-Not only a brother, -but a younger brother.	0:33:26	0:33:30
-Hand on heart, I have no idea -what I'm going to do...	0:33:32	0:33:37
-..and how I'm going to react because -I don't know what he's going to do.	0:33:37	0:33:41
-If he comes in and goes "alright", -so be it.	0:33:42	0:33:47
-He'll get an "alright" back.	0:33:48	0:33:50
-They're meeting in a hotel -in central London.	0:33:56	0:34:00
-Oh, God.	0:34:00	0:34:01
-I don't know.	0:34:24	0:34:25
-Dermott.	0:34:32	0:34:33
-Dermott. - -I promised I wouldn't do this.	0:34:33	0:34:35
-I just...	0:34:37	0:34:39
-Come and sit down, -come and sit down.	0:34:42	0:34:44
-What a joy.	0:34:44	0:34:46
-So immensely grateful -that you agreed to meet me.	0:34:47	0:34:51
-I've had 60-odd years to be -completely happy and comfortable...	0:34:51	0:34:56
-..with the idea of being adopted.	0:34:56	0:34:59
-There was always a possibility -that there might be family...	0:34:59	0:35:03
-..but who knew?	0:35:03	0:35:04
-You've had six weeks.	0:35:04	0:35:07
-It's amazing.	0:35:07	0:35:09
-The first I knew about it -was exactly 29 days ago.	0:35:09	0:35:12
-Right, well...	0:35:12	0:35:14
-I had no inkling, nothing, -not the slightest hint ever.	0:35:14	0:35:18
-And here we are.	0:35:18	0:35:20
-I've brought you something. -It's a simple gift.	0:35:20	0:35:23
-You're the only gift that I'd want.	0:35:25	0:35:27
-That's very kind.	0:35:28	0:35:30
-It's Llanberis Lake.	0:35:30	0:35:32
-That's the foot of Snowdon.	0:35:32	0:35:34
-As you know, I used to climb -and walk all around Snowdonia.	0:35:34	0:35:39
-To think all those years, -we were a mile or two apart.	0:35:39	0:35:42
-Probably passed -the bottom of our lane.	0:35:43	0:35:46
-I always had a great affinity -with North Wales - now I know why.	0:35:46	0:35:51
-A memento of a momentous meeting -in London. Absolutely.	0:35:51	0:35:55
-I have some photographs.	0:35:56	0:35:58
-That's what she was.	0:36:01	0:36:02
-That's what she was like, -in the '70s, '80s.	0:36:03	0:36:05
-Probably on the back.	0:36:10	0:36:12
-Rhodes.	0:36:12	0:36:13
-I have a picture of myself -standing there.	0:36:13	0:36:16
-It's amazing.	0:36:17	0:36:19
-Kos.	0:36:20	0:36:21
-Do you know I go to Kos every year?	0:36:23	0:36:25
-Really, all I...	0:36:26	0:36:27
-..I was hoping for was...	0:36:28	0:36:31
-..maybe somewhere -somebody might have...	0:36:31	0:36:34
-..a grainy black and white picture -or something.	0:36:35	0:36:38
-This is more than that.	0:36:38	0:36:40
-She... It's so surreal.	0:36:40	0:36:43
-You can keep these.	0:36:43	0:36:45
-Really?	0:36:45	0:36:47
-I have 63 years. You're entitled.	0:36:48	0:36:51
-That's...	0:36:52	0:36:54
-That's very kind.	0:36:55	0:36:56
-You look very much like her.	0:36:57	0:36:59
-Certainly from there, you do.	0:36:59	0:37:01
-You look very like her.	0:37:01	0:37:04
-I look at these pictures -and I sort of wonder...	0:37:04	0:37:08
-..if only I'd persevered -25 years ago.	0:37:09	0:37:12
-I just wish -I'd been able to tell her...	0:37:13	0:37:16
-..I really have had -the most marvellous life.	0:37:16	0:37:20
-I've been so lucky -and I've been so blessed.	0:37:20	0:37:23
-She would be so pleased with that.	0:37:23	0:37:26
-Let's assume -that she's looking down at us.	0:37:26	0:37:29
-This has been phenomenal.	0:37:30	0:37:32
-I can't...	0:37:32	0:37:33
-I said this wouldn't happen.	0:37:40	0:37:43
-With a stiff upper lip.	0:37:43	0:37:45
-That's just for the English.	0:37:45	0:37:47
-Just for the bloody English.	0:37:47	0:37:50
-We are, after all, -half-Welsh, half-Irish now.	0:37:50	0:37:54
-Absolutely.	0:37:54	0:37:55
-I tell you what. -Do you fancy a drink?	0:37:55	0:37:58
-Oh, yes. Oh, yes.	0:37:58	0:38:00
-Oh, yes. Oh, yes. - -Let's go and do that.	0:38:00	0:38:02
-From the moment he walked in -through the door...	0:38:08	0:38:12
-..there was a connection.	0:38:12	0:38:14
-It was a strong connection.	0:38:14	0:38:16
-He cried...	0:38:16	0:38:18
-..and that made me cry.	0:38:19	0:38:21
-I've never in my life -been so glad to cry.	0:38:23	0:38:26
-Having gone through this -for 63 years...	0:38:28	0:38:31
-..not a word, not a hint, nothing.	0:38:32	0:38:34
-I am still stunned. -Absolutely delighted.	0:38:34	0:38:38
-All my life I've wanted a brother, -or a sibling.	0:38:38	0:38:41
-Now I've got one. -She will be horrified.	0:38:41	0:38:44
-Sadly couldn't give all -to both of us.	0:38:44	0:38:47
-But I know she's looking down -and yes, she will be happy.	0:38:47	0:38:52
-She will be happy.	0:38:52	0:38:54
-Wonderful.	0:38:58	0:38:59
-Don't cry. This is the beginning -of something special.	0:39:00	0:39:04
-Here's your painting.	0:39:04	0:39:06
-Dermott has agreed to contact -Mary Rose's best friend...	0:39:06	0:39:11
-..and the only person -who knew about Iestyn's existence.	0:39:12	0:39:16
-In the adoption papers...	0:39:17	0:39:19
-..Mary Rose requested -that any correspondence be sent...	0:39:19	0:39:22
-..to Miss Moriarty, -Cromwell Road, Rugby.	0:39:22	0:39:25
-Auntie Peggy's address.	0:39:25	0:39:27
-She lives in Rugby to this day. -Iestyn's on his way to visit her.	0:39:28	0:39:33
-When Dermott came to know about me -and that I wanted to meet her...	0:39:33	0:39:38
-..he contacted her -and she said something like...	0:39:39	0:39:42
-.."Oh, you've found out."	0:39:42	0:39:45
-So, I'm looking forward immensely -to meeting her.	0:39:45	0:39:49
-She'll be able to tell me things -that no-one else could tell me.	0:39:49	0:39:54
-She might not say a thing. -She's been silent for 60-odd years.	0:39:57	0:40:01
-Why should today change things?	0:40:02	0:40:04
-Hello.	0:40:22	0:40:23
-Hello. - -Hello, how are you?	0:40:23	0:40:25
-I'm Iestyn, or Kevin.	0:40:25	0:40:27
-Lovely to see you.	0:40:27	0:40:29
-Can I give you these, -in way of a gift.	0:40:30	0:40:32
-Gorgeous.	0:40:32	0:40:33
-I've got so many questions -I'd like to ask you...	0:40:34	0:40:37
-..if you're happy to answer them.	0:40:37	0:40:39
-Yes, as many as I can.	0:40:39	0:40:41
-Your mother -was a very dear friend of mine.	0:40:42	0:40:45
-She was really a lovely lady.	0:40:45	0:40:48
-Please come in.	0:40:48	0:40:50
-Did she ever wonder what happened?	0:40:52	0:40:55
-No. Whether she wondered or not, -I don't know.	0:40:55	0:41:00
-She didn't share it.	0:41:00	0:41:01
-She wanted to just concentrate -on Dermott.	0:41:04	0:41:08
-She wanted you to be happy...	0:41:09	0:41:13
-..with a new family -and they would be your parents.	0:41:13	0:41:20
-That's what she wanted.	0:41:21	0:41:22
-That's what she wanted. - -Did you...	0:41:22	0:41:24
-You don't have to answer this.	0:41:25	0:41:27
-Did you ever meet my father?	0:41:27	0:41:29
-Very... one... no, twice.	0:41:30	0:41:34
-It wasn't a good time -while she was pregnant.	0:41:34	0:41:37
-It was not a good time for her.	0:41:37	0:41:39
-He wasn't very kind to her. -He didn't harm her.	0:41:43	0:41:47
-Not supportive.	0:41:48	0:41:49
-Not supportive. - -He wasn't supportive.	0:41:49	0:41:51
-So why did she go -from Birmingham to Swansea?	0:41:51	0:41:57
-Because he was down there. -He'd moved down there.	0:41:57	0:42:00
-That's why she went down there.	0:42:01	0:42:02
-That's why she went down there. - -I didn't know that.	0:42:02	0:42:04
-Gosh. -She followed him down to Swansea?	0:42:05	0:42:10
-She needed to.	0:42:10	0:42:11
-She needed somebody -to look after her.	0:42:12	0:42:15
-Oh, right. I had no idea.	0:42:16	0:42:19
-It's taken me -completely by surprise.	0:42:19	0:42:21
-I'm very sorry -that I can't help anymore...	0:42:22	0:42:26
-..because for one thing...	0:42:26	0:42:29
-..I didn't question her too much...	0:42:29	0:42:33
-..because I knew -she didn't want to be questioned.	0:42:33	0:42:37
-Mary Rose Donnelly kept her youngest -son a secret from the world...	0:42:40	0:42:45
-..for over 60 years.	0:42:45	0:42:47
-For Iestyn, there's one place to -visit to put an end to the search.	0:42:48	0:42:54
-With his wife Lynne, -he's heading to Mary Rose's grave...	0:42:54	0:42:57
-..in Pomeroy, Northern Ireland.	0:42:58	0:43:00
-To take them there -is Dermott Donnelly.	0:43:00	0:43:04
-It's still like the first time. -Brilliant!	0:43:08	0:43:11
-You OK?	0:43:11	0:43:12
-You OK? - -I'm really good, really good.	0:43:12	0:43:14
-This is Lynne.	0:43:14	0:43:15
-This is Lynne. - -Lynne, you're gorgeous!	0:43:15	0:43:17
-This is your sister-in-law.	0:43:18	0:43:19
-This is your sister-in-law. - -I've always wanted a sister-in-law.	0:43:19	0:43:22
-Wonderful.	0:43:22	0:43:24
-Before heading to the cemetery, they -visit Mary Rose's church in Pomeroy.	0:43:30	0:43:35
-It's a beautiful church. I know -she was very, very happy here.	0:43:44	0:43:47
-It holds many memories, -and still does.	0:43:48	0:43:51
-It was a big part of her life.	0:43:51	0:43:53
-It was a big part of her life. - -Huge part, huge part, growing up.	0:43:53	0:43:56
-It's very emotional, isn't it?	0:43:56	0:43:59
-I know it's a cliche, -but he's happier.	0:44:00	0:44:03
-Everything about him, -a weight has been lifted...	0:44:03	0:44:07
-..if that makes sense.	0:44:07	0:44:09
-Knowing that there's someone else -on this Earth related to you.	0:44:09	0:44:14
-He sees himself in Dermott.	0:44:15	0:44:17
-I hope Mum is looking down -as we are in her church.	0:44:19	0:44:22
-That she says yes, I did -the right thing. I think she did.	0:44:23	0:44:26
-Oh, yes. Oh, yes.	0:44:27	0:44:29
-Oh, yes.	0:44:36	0:44:37
-It's something -I've wanted to do for years.	0:44:41	0:44:43
-I've always wanted -to visit her grave.	0:44:44	0:44:48
-I never knew -if I could actually find it.	0:44:55	0:44:58
-If you think back -to January of this year...	0:45:00	0:45:03
-..where I more or less thought -this was never going to happen.	0:45:03	0:45:08
-Then it started building.	0:45:09	0:45:11
-There she is.	0:45:30	0:45:31
-Molly.	0:45:41	0:45:43
-I don't know.	0:45:49	0:45:51
-It's something. I don't know what.	0:45:51	0:45:54
-I wonder what she's making of it?	0:45:56	0:45:58
-It was something very special, -wasn't it?	0:46:01	0:46:04
-Kevin, Dermott and Molly Donnelly...	0:46:05	0:46:08
-..all together...	0:46:11	0:46:12
-..for the first time ever.	0:46:13	0:46:15
-That happened here.	0:46:16	0:46:18
-Slate Quarry cemetery.	0:46:19	0:46:21
-County Tyrone.	0:46:21	0:46:23
-OK.	0:46:34	0:46:35
-Six months after meeting -for the first time...	0:46:56	0:47:00
-..the two brothers -have kept in touch.	0:47:00	0:47:04
-They speak every Sunday night -on the phone...	0:47:04	0:47:06
-..and hope to return -to Northern Ireland soon...	0:47:07	0:47:09
-..to meet the rest of the family.	0:47:10	0:47:11
-S4C Subtitles by Adnod Cyf.	0:47:32	0:47:34
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Iestyn Garlick: Stori Mabwysiadu

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