Iwan Llwyd


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-A complex man, a complex man.

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-Lots of laughs, lots of fun...

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-..but a very private man

-in many ways.

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-A man with a fairly sad,

-melancholic side.

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-It didn't come out in his company

-but maybe it did in his songs.

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-He was part of a bardic tradition...

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-..going back as far

-as the sixth century...

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-..but he also linked

-contemporary Wales with the world.

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-Before his sad

-and sudden death in 2010...

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-..Iwan Llwyd was, above all, a poet.

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-A poet rooted

-in Wales's bardic tradition...

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-..but one of those rare Welsh poets

-whose work encapsulated the world.

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-When I read Iwan's poetry...

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-..I had the sense

-that he was very rooted in Wales...

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-..but that he was also

-a very global and modern person.

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-One of the obvious aspects

-of his work is his imagery...

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-..his way of treating words

-and ideas so colourfully.

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-He's among our most important poets.

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-He's among our most important poets.

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-Yes. Yes, I agree.

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-Iwan loved travelling,

-taking his poetry to people.

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-But after the show, he'd sit down

-to meet and talk to people.

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-He'd get things back

-from the audience.

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-That's the important thing.

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-Iwan shared his work on the tours,

-but he collected constantly as well.

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-As I was sitting there

-in this pub, by myself...

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-..I started to think, perhaps

-this is how a poet should be.

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-By himself, writing by himself,

-in some sort of vacuum.

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-In a garret, writing by himself.

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-The poem asks the question,

-is that what poetry's about?

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-Or should it be

-about communicating with people?

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-"Composing Poetry In Welsh."

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-"Is it like being

-in a pub in London? Is it?

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-"The lonely chat with yourself,

-and no-one listening.

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-"No-one there knows recognition,

-no-one is related.

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-"The words amass

-before sinking into someone's drink.

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-"Seeking conversation,

-creating stereotypes

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-"Redigesting land, weather and

-minor events to anyone who listens.

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-"Avoiding substance

-while seeking attention and company

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-"And the last candle

-of a pale evening rapidly melts.

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-"Is it like being in a pub

-in London as night falls?"

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-When I think of Iwan Llwyd, I think

-of the margins and the centre.

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-He liked to be

-at the centre of things, socially...

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-..when he presented his poems

-in a pub or club or wherever.

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-He enjoyed

-being at the centre of society...

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-..and hearing society applauding,

-enjoying, reacting to his poems.

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-He believed

-that poetry and poets...

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-..were integral to any society.

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-But he also believed that a poet

-should be at the margins.

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-He did see himself as looking in

-onto society from the outside.

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-That he kept some kind of distance,

-and that the distance was important.

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-He was in the margins sometimes,

-and in the centre sometimes.

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-That's not a paradox,

-it's how he was...

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-..and that's how things are.

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-Black and white merge to make grey.

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-He was very fond of that borderland

-between black and white.

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-The grey world.

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-He really liked the seasons,

-and the difference between them.

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-When seasons met each other.

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-He really liked the meeting

-of day and night.

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-Dusk in the evening

-and dawn in the morning.

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-He also liked the geographical

-border between cultures...

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-..where cultures met.

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-Where they clashed sometimes

-but also borrowed from each other.

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-He really liked that.

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-In '90, he won the Crown...

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-..excuse my pronunciation, at the

-Cwm Rhymni National Eisteddfod...

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-..for a cycle of poems.

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-He also co-wrote

-a series of TV plays...

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-..for S4C,

-the Welsh language TV station.

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-I'm pretty sure I could say

-an awful lot about this man...

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-..but instead of me telling you

-so much about him...

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-..I would like

-to present to you Iwan Llwyd.

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-When I was a young lad...

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-..I grew up in the Conwy Valley

-in North Wales during the early 60s.

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-One song

-that stayed in the memory...

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-..was 24 Hours From Tulsa.

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-I heard the song on the radio

-recently, when I wrote this poem.

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-It brought back memories...

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-..of the period when the song

-was in the charts, in the early 60s.

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-A period of change,

-of historic happenings.

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-This poem talks

-about how memories...

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-..come back to someone

-when you hear a song...

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-..and how important

-those memories are...

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-..and how important it is

-to catch hold of memories...

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-..and to remember things

-that happen way back.

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-"24 Hours From Tulsa."

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-"On the edge of memory are shadows

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-"Indistinct shapes

-that move and whisper...

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-"..like children's watercolours

-in the rain.

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-"The heavy snow of '63...

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-"..when the half-mile to school

-was like crossing the South Pole.

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-"Reciting She Loves You, despite

-Liverpool being as alien as Cuba.

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-"Seeing a cavalcade of black cars

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-"As death came to Dallas

-and America's neck bowed.

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-"Like an old song's

-fairly familiar tune

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-"Everything's at the edge of memory.

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-"The moments that disturbed

-the journey, the profligate bends

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-"Part of our history

-but yet so close.

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-"I'm in the shower,

-trying to make out the colours

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-"Before losing them forever

-in the dirt."

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-I don't think you can avoid...

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-..the influence

-of the chapel and religion...

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-..on any son of the manse.

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-It stays with you forever.

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-I'm sure it stayed with Iwan

-until the end.

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-All the influence

-of traditional Welsh religion.

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-All the biblical literature,

-the hymns and so on...

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-..which seep into a man's spirit

-and nature.

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-It's all there.

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-I don't think Iwan,

-any more than I have...

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-..ever totally turned his back

-on religion during his life.

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-It was always there

-as a very important influence.

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-Just as he questioned religion,

-religion also questioned him.

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-I never got the idea

-that any son of the manse...

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-..was on a pedestal

-or anything like that.

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-When we moved to Bangor,

-we lived on an estate.

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-Iwan and I mixed

-with all the other children...

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-..the huge gangs of children

-that were around.

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-We never thought we were different,

-but what was different...

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-..was Sunday,

-and keeping the Sabbath and so on.

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-There was no football on Sunday,

-which did make us a bit different!

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-The other boys

-still played football on Sunday.

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-We didn't - we went to chapel

-three times.

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-The linguistic characteristics

-and the literature...

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-..had a strong influence

-on his poetry, I'm sure.

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-"Copacabana Christ"

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-"He's too far away

-to cast his shadow

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-"Over the naked thighs and breasts

-that worship the sun.

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-"Senorita, I couldn't settle down.

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-"I came to the top of this peak

-between the sky and the beaches

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-"To look down on Copacabana.

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-"It's too high for anyone to notice

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-"The mercy that shines down

-onto Giannini and Angelina

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-"Senorita, I can smell the rain

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-"Rising up from the heat that falls

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-"From the Vila Canoas favela

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-"And the prophets' ranch

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-"Like the marijuana smoke,

-is sweet and capitalistic

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-"He's too big to be mistaken

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-"For a celluloid image

-from the southern sea

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-"Senorita, you can have a photo.

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-"I won't refuse.

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-"There are worse photos

-than those of a crucifixion.

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-"He's as primitive

-as a cross and nails

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-"And the girls' bargains

-between the games and the seaweed."

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-# Good day, Rhiannon

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-# The river Ogwen's in full flow #

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-The idea of travelling

-and constantly moving...

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-..appealed greatly to Iwan Llwyd.

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-The road he talked so much about

-made his heart beat faster.

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-But it was here, in Talybont

-near Bangor...

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-..that he organized his thoughts.

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-This is where he weeded out

-his ideas and perfected his verses.

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-This was his home with his wife,

-Nia, and daughter, Rhiannon...

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-..the subject of the beautiful song,

-Dydd Da, Rhiannon.

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-Amidst all his bardic objects...

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-..he turned to those black notebooks

-and the endless notes he took...

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-..turning them into memorable poems.

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-It was here, in his library

-on the banks of the river Ogwen...

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-..where his influences

-are evident...

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-..that the desire to go away

-would come to him time and again.

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-In a pub conversation

-in the Globe...

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-..Iwan and the whole gang were in

-good spirits and were quite noisy...

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-..but then there was a pause, as

-happens naturally in a conversation.

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-No-one said anything.

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-Then someone said

-that angels had just passed by.

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-Iwan had never heard the saying

-before.

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-It was in his nature

-to want to find out more...

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-..so he quizzed that person

-for more information.

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-It was explained to him

-that it was a tradition...

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-..that when the conversation came to

-a stop and everyone was quiet...

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-..it always happened either at

-twenty minutes past the hour...

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-..or at twenty minutes to the hour.

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-He loved that concept.

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-He really enjoyed reading the poem

-and telling that story.

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-Angylion

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-"Whenever the angels fly past

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-"Sounding like dew forming on leaves

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-"Or frost forming on windows

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-"As the young lads

-in their borrowed tweeds

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-"Drive home the ewes

-from the rock and the heather

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-"Their flight

-shatters the rough speech

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-"A ray glistening

-through the murky morn

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-"Sends a spasm of panic

-through the town traffic

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-"When beating wings come

-from the edge of nowhere

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-"Sending a buzz of dangerous peace

-through the area

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-"Every conversation,

-every breath pauses

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-"Whenever the angels fly past"

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-I don't think there had been any

-suggestion that Iwan wrote poetry...

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-..until he went to Ysgol Friars,

-Bangor.

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-I think he developed

-an interest in poetry...

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-..because of the influence

-of certain teachers.

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-I think Hywel Bebb

-was very influential...

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-..especially in relation

-to literature.

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-He took an interest in Williams

-Parry and T H Parry-Williams...

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-..from an early age.

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-A serious lad. Very pleasant.

-He was conscientious and thorough.

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-He had plenty of imagination

-and always produced good work.

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-He came to Bangor

-when he was about ten years old.

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-His father had been called to the

-ministry at two chapels in Bangor.

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-They came from Talybont in the

-Conwy Valley, a Welsh stronghold.

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-Coming to Bangor

-was a bit of a culture shock.

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-The Englishness of Ysgol Friars

-may have been an influence on him.

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-That may have been one reason

-for the apparent seriousness.

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-Yet there was also plenty of humour.

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-Iwan Llwyd speaks regularly

-about his time at Ysgol Friars.

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-He refers to this period as the time

-when he started to write poetry.

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-He published a few of his early

-poems in the school magazine...

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-..The New Dominican.

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-The first poem dates from 1973,

-when he was in the fourth year.

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-That was when he was about 15.

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-Those early poems are very innocent.

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-By the time he reached

-the sixth form...

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-..the influence

-of T H Parry-Williams was evident.

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-When he was in the fourth year

-or so...

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-..I must have been discussing

-the sonnet form with the class.

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-Iwan came to me

-at the end of the lesson.

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-He wanted to know more

-about this metrical form...

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-..and the poets who used it

-in their work.

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-Sonnets were the main metrical form

-he used...

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-..by the time

-he was in the sixth form.

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-The influence

-of T H Parry-Williams...

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-..is clear in the choice of metre

-and in the language used...

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-..as well as in the themes.

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-If I remember rightly...

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-..his first volume of poems

-was a volume of sonnets.

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-That was T H Parry-Williams's

-influence...

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-..because he'd taken to his poems,

-sonnets and rhyming verses.

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-He also uses rhyming verses.

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-There was no rebellion in Iwan as

-a young man, as far as I remember.

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-If anything, I remember him going

-through quite a religious phase.

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-I think there are very early poems,

-written when he was at school...

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-..under the influence of Hywel Bebb,

-his Welsh teacher at Friars...

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-..that are quite religious

-in nature.

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-I think the rebel in him

-developed later in life.

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-It strikes you straight away...

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-..how many Christian references

-there are in the poems.

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-A number of the poems show Christian

-conviction, not just references.

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-The references continue

-throughout his poetic career.

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-However, by the time

-he's at university...

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-..there isn't much in terms of

-conviction about Christian ideas.

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-Alongside these religious

-references...

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-..there are references

-to the Welsh language...

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-..and his sense of Welshness

-which inspired him.

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-One essay talks about

-how Ysgol Friars is very anglicized.

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-Writing those poems

-may have been his way of rebelling.

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-"Outside the Cathedral

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-"In the year marking the founding

-of Saint Deiniol's cell in Bangor

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-"In the year of Wales for Christ,

-in March 1975

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-"David's month, Wales's month,

-the Welsh New Testament's month

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-"During Lent, a week

-before Good Friday and Easter

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-"A row of small soldiers

-stood ready to fight for justice

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-"And mighty Bangor's leaders

-encouraged them to great things

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-"And there to watch the pageantry

-and the spree

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-"All the respectable people

-of our respectable city

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-"Putting the freedom of the city

-into outsiders' hands

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-"And imprisoning the Welsh

-in the depths of their cell"

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-He mentions this poem

-in a few of his essays.

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-He talks about how the tension

-between two contrasting elements...

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-..inspires him to write.

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-On the one hand,

-there is the Celtic tradition...

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-..and the Christian tradition

-of the Cathedral.

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-On the other hand, there is

-the military force, the RAF...

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-..which represents British power.

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-This is something that is evident

-throughout his career.

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-In later works, this tension between

-different elements is clear.

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-This was a young Iwan.

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-They weren't particularly good

-but Iwan Llwyd was the best of a...

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-As the Brazil manager

-said of his goalkeeper...

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-.."he's not very good,

-but he's the best of a bad bunch."

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-I wrote that in a review

-and it stuck!

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-"The weather turned bad

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-"Stormy showers

-swept across the compacted earth

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-"There was nothing for it

-but to turn up the coat collar

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-"And take the fight to the wind

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-"We all remember

-the legendary hot summers

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-"Drizzly festivals

-smiling benevolently

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-"Before rushing to the shop

-for a fistful of sweets

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-"We all long for them

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-"In an empty pub with a fag

-and a pint and some dodgy tales

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-"We shed a tear

-and greet the good times

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-"Then head outside

-into a strange land

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-"Stubborn, but the load lifted,

-taking things as they come

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-"A nation of complications,

-heading for the promised land

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-"Some of us hold tightly

-to the reins of the mild west

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-"And lose ourselves

-in the company of the pampas

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-"Others read old posters

-yellowing on monoglot walls

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-"Half-recognizing faces

-from the long-haired years

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-"Wherever we roam

-from our hidden shelters

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-"As we shake the dust from our hair

-and moisten our lips

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-"Alone, stealthily or heroically,

-looking to the horizon

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-"It's time to remove our badges,

-and live"

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-I could understand

-what Iwan wanted to say...

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-..the first time

-I listened to a poem.

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-He put great emphasis

-on presenting his work orally.

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-Clarity was very important to him.

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-He wanted to communicate

-with the audience.

0:20:130:20:16

-He wanted them

-to follow and understand him.

0:20:160:20:18

-On reading them again, and

-on returning to them years later...

0:20:190:20:22

-..they're still

-very comprehensible...

0:20:220:20:25

-..but you discover deeper layers

-all the time.

0:20:250:20:28

-That's something

-that's very special about him.

0:20:280:20:31

-You can understand his work

-on the surface...

0:20:310:20:35

-..but there is also

-a lot of depth in his poems.

0:20:350:20:38

-The Bobby J Memorial Band,

-Robert Johnson.

0:20:410:20:44

-# I've got ramblin',

-I've got ramblin' on my mind

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-# I've got ramblin'

0:21:060:21:08

-# I've got ramblin' on my mind #

0:21:090:21:11

-It was interesting to me

-when Iwan became a "traveller"...

0:21:110:21:15

-..and how he linked his travels

-to his poems.

0:21:150:21:18

-I don't think that was something

-he did early on.

0:21:180:21:21

-In the 1960s and 1970s,

-people started going abroad.

0:21:210:21:25

-We weren't lucky enough

-to be in that situation.

0:21:250:21:29

-Dad would always combine a holiday

-with going somewhere to preach...

0:21:290:21:33

-..like Anglesey or Cardiganshire!

0:21:330:21:35

-My father had a lot of family

-on Anglesey.

0:21:360:21:39

-We spent weekends

-at Llanrhuddlad and Caergeiliog.

0:21:390:21:43

-We had family there

-on farms and smallholdings.

0:21:430:21:46

-They were very ancient places.

0:21:470:21:51

-My mother was brought up

-in Brongest, Cardiganshire.

0:21:520:21:58

-We'd go to the area of Brongest,

-Beulah, Newcastle Emlyn...

0:21:590:22:04

-..and spend long summers...

0:22:050:22:07

-..on the beaches of Tresaith,

-Aberporth and Llangrannog.

0:22:070:22:10

-That area greatly influenced

-my brother's poetry.

0:22:100:22:14

-Another interesting poem

-from that early period...

0:22:140:22:17

-..is another sonnet called Rhianfa.

0:22:170:22:20

-Rhianfa refers to his grandmother's

-smallholding in Brongest.

0:22:200:22:24

-It's a place that draws him back.

0:22:240:22:27

-He insists on going back and feels

-it is some sort of refuge for him.

0:22:270:22:30

-Rhianfa, December 1975

0:22:320:22:36

-"As I feel the chains

-of the town's false life

0:22:380:22:41

-"Stifling

-my eighteen-year-old conscience

0:22:410:22:44

-"Before I sample the joys

-of heaven and earth

0:22:450:22:47

-"My footsteps echo weakly,

-empty, without root

0:22:480:22:52

-"Upon the concrete streets

-of my inheritance

0:22:520:22:55

-"Unable to escape

-my arduous captivity

0:22:560:22:58

-"I see the mellow acres of my land

0:23:000:23:02

-"Choking under a mass

-of withered blooms

0:23:030:23:06

-"But my spirit is free

-to fly towards the place

0:23:080:23:10

-"Where all my yesterdays

-come alive once more

0:23:110:23:14

-"I see the hope

-as I approach the church

0:23:150:23:18

-"Where I discover

-what living means

0:23:180:23:20

-"While these roots still flourish,

-I can't complain

0:23:210:23:25

-"Despite the numerous dreams

-drowned in the rain"

0:23:260:23:29

-He wrote this article

-about Brongest and Rhianfa.

0:23:310:23:36

-He talks about how the place

-has been anglicized.

0:23:360:23:39

-His mother and grandmother

-wouldn't recognize the place...

0:23:390:23:43

-..if they saw it now.

0:23:430:23:44

-The degeneration of the language,

-if we can call it that...

0:23:450:23:49

-..happened over a very short period

-in the 1960s and 1970s...

0:23:490:23:54

-..when a huge number of people

-bought holiday homes here...

0:23:540:23:59

-..as the older generation

-in small villages passed away.

0:23:590:24:02

-We saw it happening

-when our grandmother died.

0:24:020:24:05

-I think that had a great influence

-on my brother's poetry.

0:24:060:24:10

-The poem for which he won the Crown

-at the Cwm Rhymni Eisteddfod...

0:24:110:24:17

-..was full of references

-to that type of thing.

0:24:170:24:21

-The death of a specific way of life.

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-Peace!

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-May the bard be seated

-in the peace of the Eisteddfod.

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-One of the many things

-Iwan Llwyd did...

0:24:480:24:51

-..during his university days

-in Aberystwyth...

0:24:510:24:55

-..was learn to write cynghanedd

-with Roy Stevens.

0:24:550:24:58

-He may have won the Urdd

-and intercollegiate chairs...

0:24:580:25:01

-..he already had his eyes

-on a higher prize.

0:25:010:25:05

-FANFARE

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-He'd won the crown at

-the intercollegiate eisteddfod...

0:25:080:25:11

-..and a few regional

-chairs and crowns here and there.

0:25:110:25:14

-We thought that it could

-happen at some point.

0:25:170:25:20

-When that happened, it was a special

-experience for me as a brother.

0:25:200:25:26

-I can't imagine what it's like...

0:25:260:25:28

-..for the people who stand up

-in the pavilion.

0:25:280:25:32

-It was an experience

-that I'd dreamed of having maybe.

0:25:320:25:36

-I'd never realized

-that it was within my grasp.

0:25:360:25:39

-Iwan and myself

-won the Chair and Crown...

0:25:400:25:43

-..at the Rhymney Valley Eisteddfod.

0:25:430:25:45

-That was a very happy coincidence.

0:25:450:25:48

-In one way we both

-represented a new generation...

0:25:480:25:52

-..coming into the national

-Eisteddfod's big prizes.

0:25:520:25:56

-Strangely,

-we both had a similar theme.

0:25:570:26:01

-We both discussed revival.

0:26:010:26:04

-We talked about a nation

-rediscovering their love of life.

0:26:040:26:08

-That was after decades of negative

-and sad work about Wales' future...

0:26:100:26:16

-..and the future

-of the Welsh language.

0:26:160:26:19

-I was delighted with these poems

-from the very start.

0:26:190:26:23

-They were new poems.

0:26:240:26:25

-They were exciting poems.

0:26:260:26:27

-They were very relevant poems.

0:26:280:26:30

-They were very passionate poems.

0:26:300:26:32

-They said important things about

-our problems at those times.

0:26:330:26:37

-They described

-our contemporary situation...

0:26:370:26:39

-..and our battle

-to keep our identity.

0:26:400:26:42

-The poems were based

-on the 1979 referendum...

0:26:420:26:46

-..when the Welsh refused self

-government with a solid "no" vote.

0:26:470:26:53

-Of course, we start there.

0:26:530:26:55

-It follows the legends of

-Australia's true natives.

0:26:550:26:59

-It brings the nation

-back to its feet.

0:26:590:27:01

-The nation was dead.

0:27:020:27:03

-That old nation gives birth

-to a new one.

0:27:040:27:07

-That's the essence of it.

0:27:080:27:09

-He looks for meaning and particular

-places that mean something to him.

0:27:100:27:14

-It gives a semblance of meaning

-to the geography of a nation.

0:27:140:27:18

-That's what Australia's natives did.

0:27:180:27:21

-That is, they believed the ancients

-had weaved an invisible web.

0:27:210:27:26

-Iwan Llwyd went back to those roots

-to search for meaning...

0:27:260:27:30

-..and hope for the future.

0:27:310:27:33

-Bruce Chatwin had quite

-an influence on Iwan.

0:27:360:27:39

-Particularly on Gwreichion. He'd

-read The Songlines by Bruce Chatwin.

0:27:390:27:45

-Iwan's prose and strict-metre poetry

-were written clearly and simply.

0:27:450:27:52

-They were effective. They weren't

-puffed up or pretentious.

0:27:530:27:57

-It was the language of life.

0:27:570:27:58

-"I was at a funeral yesterday

0:28:010:28:03

-"In a windy Anglesey cemetery.

0:28:040:28:06

-"The Irish rain stole the prayers

-from the minister's mouth

0:28:070:28:10

-"Gulls sailed the umbrella sea

-on the brow of the wind

0:28:120:28:16

-"As they've done so many times

0:28:170:28:19

-"While following

-the ploughman's toil.

0:28:200:28:22

-"The ploughman in the soil.

0:28:240:28:26

-"Bowed heads along the roadside

0:28:280:28:31

-"Silently witness

-another final journey.

0:28:310:28:35

-"Baring their crowns to the wind.

0:28:360:28:38

-"You were conceived there

0:28:390:28:41

-"A sigh between the flowers

-and the grave.

0:28:420:28:44

-"In nine months, you were born,

-a strong child for your age

0:28:460:28:50

-"And I sang your name.

0:28:520:28:53

-"Rhys."

0:28:540:28:55

-"The taste of autumn

-is on my tongue like dock leaves.

0:29:020:29:05

-"Smoke between me and the sunset.

0:29:050:29:07

-"A car's cinder shell

-on the roadside at Llanddulas.

0:29:080:29:11

-"The sunset blushes red in shame.

0:29:110:29:13

-"I cross my turf in the wake

-of the shearwaters

0:29:130:29:16

-"That follow the vanishing sun

0:29:170:29:19

-"Relaxed behind the wheel.

0:29:190:29:21

-"Each one heads into the night

-and their own harbour.

0:29:220:29:25

-"I launch, put my foot right down

-and seize my day in the fast lane

0:29:250:29:29

-"To follow the coast home

0:29:300:29:32

-"And the blurry sparks of light

-between the Orme and the darkness.

0:29:320:29:37

-"An umbilical cord sustaining me

0:29:370:29:39

-"Between the brittle tales of the

-grey hills and the silent sea."

0:29:390:29:43

-Iwan wrote a research essay

-on the poets of the nobility.

0:29:550:29:58

-There was one period between

-the 14th and 15th centuries...

0:29:580:30:03

-..that he absolutely adored.

0:30:030:30:06

-Bards travelling around the country

-and given hospitable welcomes.

0:30:060:30:10

-There would be feasts and evenings

-at courts, in castles and abbeys.

0:30:100:30:15

-Good food and drink

-would please him a lot.

0:30:170:30:21

-I'm sure he would have become aware

-that the bards in those days...

0:30:230:30:27

-..were essentially

-professional poets.

0:30:270:30:30

-They depended on noble patrons.

0:30:300:30:32

-It's quite obvious

-that the idea appealed to him.

0:30:340:30:37

-Iwan's main source of income

-was his poetry.

0:30:380:30:41

-He worked in the field of poetry

-at schools and simply wrote poetry.

0:30:420:30:48

-He realized that he was lucky

-to be able to do that.

0:30:500:30:54

-He was married to Nia.

0:30:540:30:56

-She had a professional career

-in the legal system.

0:30:560:31:01

-He wouldn't mind me saying that

-was their main source of income.

0:31:010:31:05

-That's how they

-kept their family going.

0:31:060:31:09

-That freed him to follow his life

-as he wished to.

0:31:090:31:13

-He did consider himself...

0:31:140:31:16

-..to be a bit of a troubadour

-in the old tradition.

0:31:160:31:19

-That idea of a bardic network

-carrying tales and news...

0:31:210:31:25

-..across the country.

0:31:250:31:27

-It turned a collection of

-small provinces into a country.

0:31:280:31:34

-He really liked that idea.

0:31:340:31:37

-I think that was a part of his

-outlook and his way of life.

0:31:370:31:40

-Travelling and visiting schools

-made the country whole...

0:31:410:31:46

-..when it didn't have a cohesive

-political awareness.

0:31:470:31:52

-That culture was very important.

0:31:520:31:55

-I knew him more as a musician

-than a poet in the early days.

0:31:560:31:59

-He had a group called Doctor.

0:32:000:32:02

-That's how I got to know him.

0:32:020:32:04

-He asked me to join the group.

-They needed a pianist.

0:32:040:32:08

-I joined the group and we had

-a lot of fun in that band.

0:32:090:32:13

-# Avoiding the bar's bitter gaze

0:32:140:32:18

-# Trying to start a chat

-with someone

0:32:180:32:22

-# Buying a round with loose change

0:32:230:32:25

-# I got a taxi home alone

-again tonight

0:32:280:32:33

-# Not knowing which way to turn

0:32:360:32:39

-# Or who's a friend

0:32:390:32:41

-# There's no point being helped #

0:32:450:32:47

-He wrote very good music.

0:32:480:32:49

-He wrote incredibly good songs,

-both the lyrics and music.

0:32:500:32:53

-That drew my attention

-straight away.

0:32:530:32:56

-The songs were better...

0:32:560:32:58

-..than a lot of the songs

-that were sung at the time.

0:32:580:33:01

-I felt the songs said something too.

0:33:010:33:03

-That's where his

-bardic nature came in.

0:33:040:33:06

-He wrote a lot of the melodies too.

0:33:070:33:10

-I saw him as a musician and a poet.

0:33:100:33:12

-I got a lot of songs from him

-over the years.

0:33:130:33:15

-I'm recording them at the moment.

0:33:160:33:18

-I see them now and I realize

-that he's writing about himself.

0:33:180:33:22

-I thought he was writing

-about the characters he'd met.

0:33:220:33:26

-Y Gaucho, for example.

0:33:270:33:28

-"He's been wandering since '76

-on a ghost train of a journey

0:33:280:33:32

-"His hair is greying slowly,

-but he won't run for home."

0:33:320:33:35

-And then...

0:33:350:33:36

-"His breath smells of sun and booze

0:33:370:33:39

-"Every trip

-makes his heart beat faster

0:33:390:33:41

-"It's Obrigado to the chance

0:33:410:33:43

-"Of savouring the feast

-and sharing the fun of the dance."

0:33:430:33:47

-You know.

0:33:490:33:50

-It's about Iwan.

0:33:510:33:52

-Iwan would love to have the title

-of Rock and Roll poet.

0:34:260:34:29

-I'm pretty sure that he wrote most

-of the group Doctor's songs...

0:34:290:34:33

-..but that was back when he was with

-the group when he was very young.

0:34:330:34:38

-After that, a few pieces

-of poetry for Geraint Lovgreen...

0:34:390:34:43

-..and then a variety of people like

-Iona ac Andy and people like that.

0:34:430:34:48

-They've used his poetry.

0:34:480:34:50

-I think that writing melodies

-to go with his poetry...

0:34:500:34:54

-..had been there since a young age.

0:34:540:34:56

-He learned to read the guitar at a

-young age, around 15 or 16.

0:34:570:35:01

-His early poems were frequently

-set to music.

0:35:020:35:06

-I think those two things went

-hand in hand from the very start.

0:35:080:35:13

-He didn't differentiate

-between the two mediums.

0:35:130:35:18

-Iwan believed very strongly

-in the bardic tradition.

0:35:190:35:23

-He was very proud of the bardic

-tradition in Wales...

0:35:240:35:27

-..stretching back

-to the 6th Century.

0:35:270:35:29

-Back to Aneirin and Taliesin.

0:35:300:35:32

-He could see every generation

-of bards rediscovering...

0:35:320:35:36

-..stretching and adding

-to that tradition.

0:35:360:35:39

-But it was always still related

-and deeply rooted to the tradition.

0:35:390:35:44

-You can see in Iwan's work

-a feeling towards the primitive...

0:35:440:35:50

-..and those poems

-from the 6th Century.

0:35:500:35:53

-That is to be felt in his poems.

0:35:540:35:55

-Sometimes in the number of lines.

0:35:560:35:58

-Sometimes in the style

-or characters he chooses.

0:35:580:36:01

-But he also

-pushed the boundaries forward.

0:36:010:36:05

-He was a bard

-for the end of the 20th Century...

0:36:050:36:08

-..and the start of the new century.

0:36:080:36:10

-That's his background.

-That's his culture.

0:36:110:36:14

-That's where he got his images

-despite also stretching back.

0:36:140:36:19

-He was a modern poet

-striding forward.

0:36:200:36:22

-I think he had a wide appeal to all

-the generations who followed him.

0:36:240:36:29

-He was very popular

-with young people and students.

0:36:290:36:33

-He showed that he was taking

-Welsh poetry forward to the future.

0:36:330:36:38

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-He often preached that a poem

-should stand alone.

0:36:530:36:56

-Early on in his career, Iwan Llwyd

-understood that other art forms...

0:36:560:37:01

-..like music and art

-could add so much more to poetry.

0:37:020:37:07

-I don't like thinking about poetry

-by itself.

0:37:080:37:11

-I've worked with Iwan Bala

-and photographer Martin Roberts...

0:37:110:37:15

-..on a volume.

0:37:150:37:17

-I like to think,

-by combining different mediums...

0:37:170:37:21

-..you can create a fuller picture.

0:37:210:37:23

-Give the words

-a different dimension.

0:37:230:37:26

-There was an understanding

-every time we met.

0:37:260:37:29

-He was great company.

0:37:290:37:31

-He shared ideas.

0:37:310:37:33

-When we developed ideas...

0:37:330:37:35

-..it was hard to remember

-whose idea it was originally.

0:37:350:37:39

-It changed as we chatted.

0:37:390:37:42

-That's how we started

-to think about working together.

0:37:420:37:47

-My work here accompanies the poems.

0:37:480:37:52

-We've worked on different projects

-over the years.

0:37:520:37:57

-This was the first one, in 1987.

0:37:580:38:01

-This may have been the first time

-he worked with an artist...

0:38:010:38:05

-..and he's worked

-with several since then...

0:38:050:38:08

-..but this was the first time

-I'd worked with a poet...

0:38:080:38:11

-..drawing images based on the poems.

0:38:120:38:15

-I found his poems very accessible

-and easy for me to think up imagery.

0:38:150:38:22

-There's something very visual

-in the way he wrote.

0:38:220:38:25

-There's a picture in your mind

-when you read his work.

0:38:250:38:29

-Therefore, working with him on

-this volume wasn't very difficult.

0:38:290:38:34

-Really, perhaps

-because of the history...

0:38:460:38:49

-..of Celts coming to America...

0:38:500:38:52

-..somehow he felt

-some kind of attachment.

0:38:530:38:55

-American culture,

-because of that history...

0:38:560:38:59

-..but also maybe

-because of his own coming of age...

0:38:590:39:02

-..when American culture was

-in its heyday in the 20th century...

0:39:020:39:06

-..was a way for him

-to sort of have a second self.

0:39:060:39:09

-He could recast himself...

0:39:090:39:12

-..in the role of the rider

-of a Harley Davidson or traveller.

0:39:120:39:18

-I guess maybe it gave him a window

-into a place and a cultural space...

0:39:180:39:24

-..that was slightly larger

-than the space he had in Wales.

0:39:250:39:30

-Carreg Cennen.

0:39:300:39:31

-"It used to protect the highway

0:39:320:39:34

-"One of a chain of castles

-on the banks of the Tywi

0:39:340:39:38

-"Dryslwyn, Dinefwr

0:39:380:39:40

-"Here on top of the valley,

-the highest of them all

0:39:400:39:43

-"Keeping a close eye on the world

0:39:440:39:46

-"Today, we must leave the highway

0:39:470:39:50

-"Follow the windy, remote roads

0:39:500:39:52

-"The country roads

-that have long left the map

0:39:520:39:55

-"That hide in the hollows

-beyond Trap

0:39:560:39:59

-"Where you have to wait

-for a tractor or bus to pass

0:39:590:40:02

-"Then, I leave the vehicle

-and walk past the ducks and sheep

0:40:030:40:07

-"Before arriving, out of breath

0:40:080:40:10

-"Only the lowing of the livestock

-and the whistle of the wagtail

0:40:100:40:14

-"Far, far above

0:40:150:40:17

-"An aeroplane with its white tail

0:40:170:40:19

-"On the highway to the new world

0:40:190:40:22

-"Then another one,

-and another one follows it

0:40:220:40:25

-"Flying through the sunset

-on the Tywi

0:40:250:40:27

-"Lord Rhys knew it

0:40:280:40:30

-"His castle

-is still on the highway

0:40:310:40:34

-"The soaring highway

-to the far end of the world"

0:40:350:40:38

-Thank you.

0:40:390:40:40

-To me, that last image

-in the last stanza of the poem...

0:40:410:40:45

-..is a little bit of Iwan Llwyd.

0:40:450:40:47

-Here's this historic, beautiful

-Welsh landmark...

0:40:480:40:54

-..and at the same time, in the

-jet age and the information age...

0:40:540:40:58

-..there's an airplane flying by...

0:40:580:41:01

-..and here's a man from both worlds

-in that poem.

0:41:010:41:05

-Iwan and I spent a few days

-in New York...

0:41:060:41:09

-..after a conference

-at Syracuse University.

0:41:100:41:14

-I'd made an installation exhibition

-and he was performing.

0:41:140:41:18

-We had a couple of free days,

-and it was just after 9/11.

0:41:180:41:22

-We visited Ground Zero...

0:41:230:41:25

-..and we chatted over a couple of

-pints at the White Horse Tavern...

0:41:260:41:31

-..Dylan Thomas' old watering hole.

0:41:310:41:34

-We talked about the similarity

-between Manhattan as an island...

0:41:340:41:38

-..and Gwales in the Mabinogion.

0:41:380:41:41

-That's how

-my chats with Iwan developed.

0:41:410:41:45

-He could jump back to mythology and

-jump forwards to film and music...

0:41:450:41:51

-..and jump

-from one subject to the next.

0:41:510:41:53

-It grew as an idea.

0:41:540:41:57

-We saw that the horrors

-of the world...

0:41:570:42:00

-..had had an effect on Manhattan..

0:42:000:42:03

-..in the same way that opening

-the door on Aberhenfelen...

0:42:030:42:06

-..had affected the island of Gwales.

0:42:060:42:09

-It developed for me

-as a series of artworks.

0:42:090:42:12

-The idea of an island

-had been present in my work.

0:42:120:42:17

-Iwan then wrote poems.

0:42:170:42:19

-We came up with the idea

-of having a book made.

0:42:200:42:23

-Gomer published a book

-called Hon, Ynys y Galon.

0:42:230:42:26

-Iwan wrote poems for the book...

0:42:270:42:29

-..and an essay

-about his experiences in New York.

0:42:290:42:33

-Talking to Iwan

-was so enriching.

0:42:340:42:38

-He enriched everything...

0:42:390:42:43

-..through his knowledge and keen

-interest in everything creative.

0:42:430:42:49

-I first heard Far Rockaway

-on the Bol a Chyfri' Banc tour.

0:42:520:42:58

-I don't think

-I'd ever seen it written down.

0:43:000:43:03

-I just heard it being read

-in Iwan's half-whispered voice...

0:43:040:43:09

-..close to the mic.

0:43:090:43:11

-He didn't always

-give it much of an introduction.

0:43:110:43:15

-But over a number of poetry tours...

0:43:150:43:17

-..it became a firm favourite

-with audiences.

0:43:170:43:20

-I've also heard him talking about it

-with sixth form students and so on.

0:43:200:43:25

-We hear more about the background.

0:43:250:43:28

-Iwan once came to New York...

0:43:280:43:30

-..and was intending to get on

-the A train to come to Manhattan.

0:43:300:43:34

-He got on the A train but the A

-train going in the wrong direction.

0:43:340:43:38

-Of course, at the end of that train

-is Far Rockaway.

0:43:380:43:41

-He was so hypnotized by the name...

0:43:410:43:44

-..that he felt inspired

-to write a poem.

0:43:440:43:47

-Far Rockaway

0:43:500:43:52

-"I will take you to Far Rockaway

0:43:530:43:55

-"Far Rockaway

0:43:560:43:57

-"The name strums,

-a guitar in my head

0:43:570:44:00

-"Sings a choir of summer

-and sea-tide rhythms

0:44:000:44:02

-"Talks of lovers over black coffee

0:44:030:44:05

-"On a night-ride in a pick-up truck

0:44:050:44:07

-"Smells of gasoline after rain

0:44:080:44:10

-"Hand in hand

-on the trail of the moon

0:44:110:44:13

-"Hunting bullfrogs on a wet lane

0:44:130:44:16

-"The thrill

-of that half-remembered tune

0:44:160:44:19

-"I will take you to Far Rockaway

0:44:200:44:22

-"Far Rockaway

0:44:230:44:24

-"Where the heavens' hem

-trails in the muddied seashore

0:44:240:44:27

-"And trades witty lullabies

0:44:280:44:30

-"Where the graffiti rainbow

-is a frontier

0:44:300:44:33

-"Between the naked walls

-and the simmering sun

0:44:330:44:36

-"Where the track

-follows the narrow path

0:44:360:44:38

-"Between Saturday's smiles

-and Sunday's scowl

0:44:390:44:42

-"As we both share

-our secret burdens arm in arm

0:44:420:44:46

-"I will take you to Far Rockaway

0:44:470:44:50

-"Far Rockaway

0:44:500:44:52

-"Where the city police

-are sketching poems

0:44:520:44:54

-"As they await the train

0:44:540:44:56

-"And swap stories

-with their submachine guns

0:44:560:44:59

-"And the poets

-on their high rise ladders

0:44:590:45:01

-"Are daubing cynghanedd

-on four walls

0:45:010:45:03

-"Drinking whisky and dew

0:45:040:45:05

-"Playing left-handed chess

0:45:050:45:07

-"The name is one long drawn-out kiss

0:45:080:45:11

-"Far Rockaway, Far Rockaway"

0:45:110:45:14

-What's amazing about it

-is that it's a like a lyric.

0:45:160:45:20

-It reminds me of Ar Lan y Mor...

0:45:200:45:22

-..and verses from the hen benillion

-folk poetry tradition...

0:45:230:45:26

-..where place names are enticing.

0:45:260:45:29

-That's what it's all about.

0:45:290:45:31

-When he saw the name,

-it awoke something inside him.

0:45:320:45:35

-The place itself

-was nothing like the poem.

0:45:350:45:38

-But the name, that word, those

-words, had awoken something in him.

0:45:380:45:42

-That's what poetry is.

0:45:430:45:45

-Words playing with each other

-and calling for each other.

0:45:450:45:49

-I think this poem

-captures the essence of poetry.

0:45:490:45:53

-You create this magic

-from just a few words.

0:45:540:45:57

-Tributes have been paid

-to Chief Bard Iwan Llwyd...

0:45:580:46:01

-..who was found dead

-in his home in Bangor yesterday.

0:46:010:46:04

-He was 52 years old.

0:46:050:46:07

-I found Iwan's body

-in the house in Bangor.

0:46:080:46:11

-I went into the house...

0:46:110:46:13

-..and found him lying

-between the bed and the wall.

0:46:130:46:19

-I immediately thought about

-his song, Hen Drefn...

0:46:190:46:24

-..and these lines in particular.

0:46:240:46:26

-"An old order, an old discussion,

-an old covenant broken

0:46:260:46:30

-"An old fall between wall and bed

0:46:310:46:33

-"An old fire in an old house."

0:46:330:46:35

-He goes on.

0:46:360:46:37

-"An old song, an old penny, an old

-pain in the pit of my stomach."

0:46:370:46:42

-He actually had a bad ulcer, and

-that's what killed him in the end.

0:46:420:46:46

-"An old dog hobbling home alone.

-What will become of the old man?"

0:46:460:46:51

-He never mentioned the pain.

0:46:520:46:54

-He could have had treatment

-for the ulcer...

0:46:540:46:57

-..instead of suffering

-and writing about it.

0:46:570:47:00

-But that's how he dealt with it.

0:47:000:47:02

-He drank to numb the pain.

0:47:020:47:04

-I feel that he had already

-produced his best work.

0:47:040:47:07

-Everyone has their time

-on this earth.

0:47:070:47:10

-Some of us achieve so much more

-in less time than others...

0:47:110:47:15

-..who go on for much longer but who

-don't manage to achieve as much...

0:47:150:47:20

-..despite having double the time.

0:47:200:47:22

-We all miss him greatly.

0:47:220:47:25

-Yet we're all proud to have shared

-some of the journey with him.

0:47:260:47:29

-We know that it had to come

-to an end. That's how it is.

0:47:300:47:34

-But it was quite a ride

-by his side!

0:47:350:47:39

-# A strange hotel, pretty eyes

0:47:410:47:44

-# A distant voice in a poet's heart

0:47:450:47:49

-# Through the noisy telephone kiosk

0:47:490:47:53

-# There's another city

-down the road #

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