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-The Irish-Welsh connection

-is a big deal...

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-..not just for my father

-but for many Welsh people.

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-Wales has an obsession

-with the Emerald Isle.

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-Perhaps there's

-an element of guilt to it...

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-..because Irish nationalists

-have achieved more than us.

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-I'm glad Dylan's joining me

-on this journey...

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-..because I'm sure

-he was fed up of seeing me...

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-..poring over books about Ireland...

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-..and playing Irish records

-from dusk till dawn.

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-It's all he heard as a child.

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-It's all he heard as a child.

-

-GUNFIRE

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-The 1916 Easter Rising...

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-..sparked many years

-of bloody battles in Ireland...

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-..against British rule.

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-We've both

-forged careers in broadcasting...

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-..but as an author and journalist...

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-..getting to the heart of the story

-is in Dad's blood.

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-The story of the Irish Rebels

-has captivated him.

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-Our home was a mini Ireland.

-It must've rubbed off on Dylan.

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-He's interested in the history and I

-hope I can teach him more about it.

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-Dad first visited Dublin

-in 1966...

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-..for the Easter Rising's

-50th anniversary.

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-It's there that he met icons of the

-campaign for Irish independence...

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-..who were interned at the

-Frongoch detention camp near Bala.

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-Dublin folk are very special to me.

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-I relish every opportunity

-to go there.

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-What'd be interesting...

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-..is finding out what

-initially sparked Dad's obsession.

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-It'd be nice to hear

-why he's so fixated by it...

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-..and why he fled to his study to

-spend many hours at his typewriter.

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-It's engrained in him.

-It's part of his character.

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-Half a century ago...

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-..celebrations were held

-to commemorate the Easter Rising...

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-..and the battle for independence.

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-900 of those 1916 rebels

-were there that day.

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-Thousands more

-witnessed this historic event.

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-Half a century later...

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-..and memories of the rebellion

-are still as vivid.

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-The streets of Dublin on Easter

-weekend this year were heaving.

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-As he did

-on his first visit in 1966...

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-..this year, Dad celebrated

-with the unofficial procession...

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-..held a month later.

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-This is incredible,

-it's so colourful.

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-I didn't expect people to dress up.

-It's a party.

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-It's a big party, and it should be.

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-Some say we shouldn't celebrate...

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-..but if it happened to us in Wales,

-I'd certainly celebrate!

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-As John Bwlch-llan'd say,

-"It's jolly here!"

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-I've heard all the stories about

-1966 but there's a serious side too.

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-That's when Dad's interest began.

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-That's when he discovered...

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-..that Frongoch

-was part of Ireland's story.

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-His obsession started from there.

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-His obsession started from there.

-

-I was in a book shop in Dublin...

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-..and the shop owner

-heard me speaking Welsh.

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-He called me over and said, "That

-man there has spent time in Wales."

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-He was referring to Joe Clarke, who

-had been interned at Frongoch...

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-..for six or seven months.

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-He'd fought in one of the bloodiest

-battles of the Easter Rising.

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-Joe became

-a very dear friend of mine.

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-I thought the world of him.

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-He's interested in people.

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-They were ordinary folk

-back in 1916.

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-They were teachers and shopkeepers

-who'd decided enough was enough.

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-I'm sure

-that's part of the appeal too.

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-700 years of British rule

-had left its mark on Ireland.

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-After generations

-of being oppressed by the English...

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-..came a Catholic middle class,

-intent on changing the status quo.

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-During the 1900s, Irish culture

-enjoyed a renaissance...

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-..in its history, language...

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-..and sports, and the country

-became a hotbed of radicalism.

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-Socialist leader James Connolly

-led a famous lockout in 1913...

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-..in which 20,000 workers went

-on strike to demand better rights.

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-Calls came for

-a measure of home rule for Ireland.

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-The idea was to have

-a parliament in Dublin...

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-..that'd safeguard home affairs...

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-..whilst allowing Westminster

-to take care of the rest.

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-That's what the majority

-of Irish nationalists wished for.

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-At the outbreak of the First

-World War, Irish nationalists...

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-..were led to believe...

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-..that if they proved themselves

-to be good citizens...

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-..within the British Empire...

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-..then Britain would certainly

-grant them home rule for Ireland.

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-To ensure their home rule...

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-..more than 200,000 Irishmen joined

-British troops in the Great War.

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-But for radical nationalists,

-home rule wouldn't be enough.

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-They saw an opportunity to realize

-the dream of an Irish Free State...

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-..with the slogan, England's

-difficulty is Ireland's opportunity.

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-The revolt's main figures...

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-..were

-the Irish Republican Brotherhood...

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-..a small,

-secret revolutionary movement.

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-Other institutions

-began forming alliances with them.

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-The Irish Volunteers,

-the Irish Citizen Army...

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-..and Cumann na mBan,

-the Women's League.

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-All these organisations

-believed that using violence...

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-..was a way

-of ensuring political objectives.

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-They were essentially terrorists...

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-..though books

-refer to them as rebels.

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-Dad's very fond of his rebels.

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-Society's most colourful characters

-- Pete Goginan and Cayo Evans...

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-..of the Free Wales Army.

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-Meic Stevens'd call by our house.

-That didn't happen in other homes!

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-But I didn't find it unusual

-at the time.

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-The fact that those

-who were rebelled in 1916...

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-..were true rebels

-must've greatly appealed to him.

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-They were ordinary people

-who'd had enough.

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-The 1960s

-were exciting times for us.

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-We did plenty of protesting.

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-Plaid Cymru

-was on the brink of victory...

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-..Cymdeithas yr Iaith

-launched its road signs' campaign...

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-..and us young people

-were defying convention.

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-There's no doubt

-that our visit to Dublin...

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-..charged the batteries

-and inspired us.

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-Not only from Ireland...

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-..but it was important we witnessed

-the language struggle...

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-..and the struggle for home rule for

-Wales in an international context.

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-Our visit to Ireland...

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-..reminded us that we were

-part of something much bigger.

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-I went over for the celebration.

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-Some call it a commemoration.

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-It's a celebration for me,

-because, unlike us...

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-..the Irish

-have something to celebrate.

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-The Welsh have always been cowards

-and that's how we'll stay.

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-There were two processions.

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-The official one

-and one with the IRA...

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-..before the atrocities of the '70s.

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-My father was

-in the middle of the IRA parade...

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-..and many Welsh people disapproved.

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-It remains a sensitive issue

-to this day, as it was in 1966...

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-..whether you're celebrating

-or commemorating a bloody chapter.

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-In '66, the older generation of

-Welsh nationalists trod carefully.

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-Since we enthusiastic youths

-made heroes of these people...

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-..there was hope that Wales

-could go in the same direction.

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-Looking back, we were

-playing with fire, to some extent...

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-..because we were commemorating

-a military rebellion.

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-While Plaid Cymru members

-marched with the official parade...

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-..we, as the Free Wales Army...

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-..joined the unofficial parade

-with the IRA.

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-We were marching alongside

-the heroes who fought in 1916.

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-It was incredible.

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-I began to hero worship these men.

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-For us in Wales,

-we had to go all the way back...

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-..to Glyndwr and Llywelyn.

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-But these men

-had fought a battle...

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-..just before I was born...

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-..and they were still alive.

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-Following him around Dublin

-is an experience in itself...

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-..because you see the main sites

-where the revolt took place.

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-He'd lead me down alleyways and say,

-"Joe Clarke used to live there.

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-"This is where the snipers stood."

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-There was something of note

-on practically every street.

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-The rebels' objective...

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-..was to control

-Dublin's civic centre buildings.

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-The rebellion had been planned

-for Easter Sunday...

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-..but due to a misunderstanding...

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-..the head of the Irish Volunteers,

-Eoin MacNeill...

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-..had ordered everyone

-not to take action...

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-..in an article in a newspaper.

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-There was a lack of clarity...

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-..as to

-when the revolt would happen.

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-On the Monday...

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-..only 1,200 rebels showed up,

-far less than expected.

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-Arrangements were very disorganised.

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-It was like any other

-national holiday in Dublin.

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-The Liffey's docks were quiet,

-ships were idle...

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-..but throughout the night,

-1,200 rebels...

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-..put their plans in motion...

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-..to seize the

-city's municipal buildings.

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-Led by James Connolly and

-Patrick Pearse, the first rebels...

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-..marched into the Post Office.

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-The Republicans

-held regular parades.

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-The British soldiers just thought

-it was another ordinary parade...

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-..but this time they meant business.

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-John McBride

-was on his way to a wedding...

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-..when he saw the men marching.

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-"What's going on?" he said. "We're

-rebelling." "I'm coming with you."

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-In the city centre, the insurgents

-drew nearer to their targets.

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-City Hall, Dublin Castle,

-Liberty Hall, Four Courts.

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-At 12.20pm, the Irish Volunteers...

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-..and Citizens' Army

-stormed the General Post Office.

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-The old Irish notion

-of a revolution...

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-..meant seizing a building...

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-..reinforcing it and occupying it.

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-Why did they choose

-the General Post Office?

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-It's a civic building,

-it's strategic...

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-..but I think they chose it

-as a symbol of Britishness.

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-That's why they seized the building.

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-The General Post Office served as

-their headquarters for the week.

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-Shortly after the attack,

-Patrick Pearse read out...

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-..the Proclamation

-of the Irish Republic...

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-..signed by himself, James Connolly,

-Thomas Clarke, Eamonn Ceannt...

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-..Sean MacDiarmada, Thomas

-MacDonagh and Joseph Plunkett.

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-This was their statement

-for an Irish Free State.

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-It was obvious

-Pearse had written the proclamation.

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-You could tell it'd been poetically

-written by a literary man.

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-He was inducted into the Gorsedd of

-the Bards of the Isle of Britain...

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-..at the Cardiff Eisteddfod in 1899.

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-His bardic name...

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-..was Areithydd (Orator).

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-On the morning of Easter Monday...

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-..he stood on the GPO's steps...

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-..to read the proclamation

-like a true orator.

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-Pearse's speech

-was a direct appeal to the heart.

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-To him, safeguarding

-the culture and language...

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-..was as important

-as winning political independence.

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-Someone who recounts the story to

-thousands of visitors each year...

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-..is historian Lorcan Collins.

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-Alright, comrade? How's it going?

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-How are you doing?

-You're a dangerous man.

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-I'm Dylan. It's nice to meet you.

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-I've heard a lot about you.

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-I've heard a lot about Mr Lorcan

-Collins. He's quite a character.

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-After meeting him I understood

-why Dad is so fond of him.

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-He's a breath of fresh air.

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-He's a lovely bloke.

-He makes history come alive.

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-Many think

-there might've been thousands...

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-..listening to Pearse

-declaring this Republic.

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-Really, if 20 or 30 were listening,

-that's almost an exaggeration.

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-It seems that

-there was so much going on...

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-..with people building barricades

-and windows smashing...

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-..that people moved away

-halfway through it.

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-But it's still a wonderful document

-to Irishmen and Irishwomen.

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-And that lovely line...

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-.."The Republic guarantees

-religious and civil liberty...

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-"..equal rights and

-opportunities to all its citizens."

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-It declares its resolve to the

-pursuit of happiness and prosperity.

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-"Cherishing all the children

-of the nation equally."

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-That's a very important aspect.

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-Patrick Pearse was

-one of the most remarkable figures.

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-He was a schoolteacher, a poet...

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-..a promoter

-of the Irish language...

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-..and a devout Catholic.

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-For him, bloodshed at Easter...

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-..gave it important symbolism...

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-..and was a means

-of resurrecting Ireland...

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-..into a new world.

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-I don't think it was

-Patrick Pearse's intention...

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-..to plan a revolution

-in a detailed way...

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-..so that by the end, they would

-wind up in power at Dublin Castle.

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-There was something almost

-dream-like about his intentions.

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-He wasn't fighting

-to win a battle...

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-..he was fighting

-to win on a more symbolic level...

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-..so that they would reach the GPO

-and announce a statement of intent.

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-Here we are, the Republic.

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-Croke Park, Dublin, the spiritual

-home of Irish nationalism...

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-..and home of

-the Gaelic Athletics Association...

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-..established 100 years ago

-to promote culture...

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-..and safeguard traditional sports

-such as hurling and Gaelic football.

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-GAA and Croke Park

-has been an integral part...

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-..of the Irish struggle

-for independence.

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-We're in Croke Park for the final.

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-Dublin against Kerry -

-two of the country's biggest clubs.

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-There's a crowd of 82,000.

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-I've seen Wales play football here.

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-The goals are familiar but

-the rugby posts attached to them...

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-..makes it different,

-so I hope there's a spare seat!

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-Journalists are people

-who get to the root of the story.

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-That's what Dad's done all his life.

-There's always more to every story.

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-I've tried to follow

-in his footsteps and failed.

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-Commentating on football isn't quite

-as significant as being a reporter.

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-There were 1,500 rebels in Dublin...

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-..in 1916...

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-..but there were

-10 times more Irishmen...

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-..fighting

-in the British Army's ranks.

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-Those complexities meant

-that Dublin's ordinary citizens...

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-..initially regarded

-the revolutionaries as traitors...

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-..rather than heroes.

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-A large majority

-of Dublin's citizens...

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-..had other

-everyday practical matters...

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-..on their plate...

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-..so the idea of supporting

-an armed rebellion wasn't welcomed.

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-The charismatic socialist, James

-Connolly, was one of the leaders.

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-With his vision

-for an independent Ireland...

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-..he inspired thousands of Irish

-to join the campaign.

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-From their HQ at the Post Office,

-Connolly, Pearse and Plunkett...

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-..tightened their grip

-on the civic buildings.

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-Edward Daly and his battalion

-occupied Four Courts.

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-Eamon De Valera

-occupied Boland's Bakery.

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-Thomas MacDonagh

-occupied the Jacobs Factory...

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-..Eamonn Ceannt

-occupied the South Dublin Union...

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-..and Michael Mallin

-occupied St Stephen's Green.

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-Knowing they were in trouble...

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-..Britain deployed

-thousands of soldiers to Dublin...

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-..but 1,000 Sherwood Foresters

-were held at Mount Street Bridge...

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-..the main entry route

-into the city.

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-They came here, up that road

-on their way into the city centre...

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-..but, of course, Joe Clarke

-and six others were expecting them.

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-Two or three of them

-were in Clanwilliam House...

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-..two or three others

-waited for them over there.

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-They were ambushed,

-with no hope of escaping.

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-After five hours

-of fierce fighting...

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-..the rebels

-ran out of ammunition...

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-..and the British gained entry

-into the city centre.

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-My old friend, Joe Clarke,

-was in amongst it all.

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-A soldier caught Joe...

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-..he took Joe's pistol from his

-hand, pointed it at his forehead...

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-..and pulled the trigger.

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-Thank goodness it didn't go off.

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-The doctor arrived and said...

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-.."There's been too much bloodshed

-today, give me the gun."

0:19:540:19:59

-Joe was detained and taken to

-Richmond Barracks for questioning.

0:19:590:20:03

-Joe Clarke was one of

-the sweetest men I've ever met.

0:20:060:20:10

-He was a very short man -

-just over five foot tall.

0:20:100:20:14

-He wore jam-jar spectacles....

0:20:140:20:17

-..and leaned on crutches.

0:20:170:20:19

-He was the last person on earth

-I'd imagine with a gun.

0:20:190:20:23

-The rebellion's bloodiest battle

-took place on Mount Street Bridge...

0:20:240:20:29

-..with more than

-250 fatalities or casualties.

0:20:290:20:32

-The rebels

-had fought with their hearts...

0:20:320:20:35

-..against the world's

-largest professional army.

0:20:350:20:39

-At home, we have a romantic image

-of what happened here.

0:20:390:20:43

-You forget about the British and

-the youths who were killed here too.

0:20:440:20:48

-It's awful.

0:20:480:20:50

-One message reads,

-"In memory of all who died here."

0:20:500:20:55

-Britain deployed a warship,

-the Helga...

0:20:580:21:02

-..up the Liffey to fire shells

-across Dublin's city centre...

0:21:020:21:07

-..until it was completely destroyed.

0:21:080:21:11

-The General Post Office

-was burnt to a cinder.

0:21:110:21:15

-On the Thursday afternoon...

0:21:150:21:17

-..James Connolly

-sustained serious injuries...

0:21:180:21:21

-..to his leg and arm

-at the Post Office.

0:21:210:21:24

-On the streets outside

-the massacre intensified.

0:21:240:21:28

-Though prime figures such as

-the socialist James Connolly...

0:21:290:21:33

-..were prominent in the rebellion...

0:21:330:21:36

-..little reference is made

-to all the civilians involved.

0:21:370:21:41

-By the end of the week...

0:21:410:21:43

-..there were

-more ordinary citizens killed...

0:21:430:21:48

-..than the fatalities

-on the two military sides.

0:21:480:21:51

-The British Army showed no mercy.

0:21:530:21:56

-It was intent

-on quelling the rebels.

0:21:560:21:59

-They had work to do...

0:21:590:22:01

-..in the trenches of France.

0:22:010:22:03

-During Easter week,

-almost 500 people lost their lives.

0:22:050:22:09

-More than half

-were civilian deaths...

0:22:090:22:11

-..and many were children.

0:22:120:22:14

-Hostility

-towards the rebellion grew.

0:22:140:22:17

-As with every rebellion...

0:22:170:22:21

-..it's the innocent people who

-suffer, many of whom are children.

0:22:210:22:26

-Pearse realized

-that the revolt had been in vain.

0:22:260:22:30

-He decided to send messages

-across the country, saying...

0:22:310:22:36

-.."We've given it a go,

-now it's time to surrender."

0:22:360:22:41

-With 2,500 rebels

-facing 20,000 British soldiers...

0:22:430:22:47

-..Pearse ordered everyone

-to lay down their arms.

0:22:470:22:51

-The city's streets

-were completely destroyed.

0:22:510:22:55

-The insurgents, along with

-their leaders, were arrested.

0:22:590:23:03

-Britain was determined to put an end

-to the rebellion once and for all.

0:23:030:23:08

-A decision was made

-to shoot the rebellion's leaders.

0:23:090:23:13

-This was the most

-fateful decision of them all...

0:23:130:23:18

-..during Easter week.

0:23:190:23:21

-It was the catalyst that

-turned an unsuccessful campaign...

0:23:210:23:26

-..into a national plight...

0:23:260:23:28

-..that transformed

-the country's politics and fate.

0:23:290:23:32

-.

0:23:360:23:36

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-By the end of Easter week in 1916...

0:23:430:23:46

-..more than 2,500

-had been either killed or wounded...

0:23:460:23:49

-..including 40 children.

0:23:500:23:52

-Knowing there was no way of winning,

-Patrick Pearse surrendered...

0:23:520:23:56

-..and the leaders were rounded up...

0:23:560:23:58

-..including the seven who'd signed

-the Proclamation on Easter Monday.

0:23:590:24:04

-Britain's response was to

-punish them in the most extreme way.

0:24:040:24:08

-By executing them one by one.

0:24:080:24:11

-As he was of American descent,

-Eamon De Valera's life was spared.

0:24:110:24:15

-It wasn't the prime minister

-who gave the order...

0:24:250:24:28

-..neither was it Lloyd George,

-the War Secretary...

0:24:280:24:31

-..but Viscount Wimborne, Ireland's

-Chief Secretary, who was Welsh...

0:24:320:24:36

-..a descendent

-of the Guest family of Glamorgan.

0:24:360:24:39

-He ordered the execution

-of the 15 rebels.

0:24:390:24:42

-There's a chill here, though

-we're sheltered from the wind.

0:24:510:24:55

-They've kept it simple.

-It's such a stark setting.

0:24:550:25:00

-It was a perfect place

-to execute people in private.

0:25:000:25:04

-Something tells me that they were

-quite willing to take the bullets.

0:25:050:25:10

-Willie Pearse, Patrick's brother...

0:25:100:25:13

-..wanted to die.

0:25:130:25:15

-If Patrick was going to be shot,

-then so would he.

0:25:150:25:20

-The only reason they shot Willie was

-because he was Patrick's brother.

0:25:200:25:25

-This is Pearse's letter

-to his mother...

0:25:370:25:40

-..that he wrote

-the night before his execution.

0:25:410:25:44

-It's a famous letter

-and it's plain and simple.

0:25:440:25:47

-He says, "Don't grieve for me,

-I'm doing this for a free Ireland."

0:25:480:25:52

-This is what he wanted.

0:25:520:25:54

-He was willing

-to sacrifice his life.

0:25:540:25:57

-Pearse expected it.

0:26:010:26:03

-He believed in bloody sacrifice.

0:26:040:26:07

-"There's nothing but our own red

-blood can make a right Rose Tree."

0:26:070:26:11

-Connolly was more of a pragmatist.

0:26:110:26:14

-Ordinary folk

-were Connolly's people.

0:26:140:26:17

-They were

-very different characters...

0:26:170:26:20

-..but together they created

-an unconquerable union.

0:26:200:26:25

-I've been standing at the stank

-where Connolly was shot.

0:26:260:26:32

-That's one of the most pitiful

-scenes I've ever imagined...

0:26:320:26:37

-..thinking about this man,

-who was shot in his leg...

0:26:370:26:40

-..and carried on a stretcher

-into Kilmainham yard.

0:26:410:26:46

-He couldn't stand on his feet,

-so they sat him in a chair.

0:26:460:26:49

-They had to tie him to the chair...

0:26:500:26:54

-..so he would sit upright.

0:26:540:26:57

-According to the story...

0:26:580:27:00

-..or myth,

-no-one's sure which is true...

0:27:000:27:03

-..seconds before the bullets

-hit him...

0:27:030:27:06

-..he held his head high.

0:27:060:27:08

-British authorities hadn't foreseen

-the effect the executions had...

0:27:150:27:20

-..on public opinion in Ireland.

0:27:200:27:24

-It's one thing to execute a man...

0:27:250:27:28

-..who's in optimum health...

0:27:290:27:31

-..who's fought a rebellion...

0:27:340:27:36

-..and who's used violence

-against you.

0:27:360:27:39

-It's another matter

-when you execute a man...

0:27:400:27:43

-..who's unable to stand...

0:27:430:27:45

-..and executing a man in a chair.

0:27:450:27:48

-As the news began to emerge...

0:27:500:27:54

-..the Irish began to reconsider

-the rebellion's objective.

0:27:540:27:59

-It's very peaceful here.

0:28:110:28:13

-There's no birdsong...

0:28:130:28:15

-..which is odd.

0:28:150:28:17

-I don't know

-if it's me romanticising...

0:28:180:28:21

-..but it's

-a sobering feeling coming here.

0:28:210:28:25

-All the bodies were

-thrown into a large hole here...

0:28:290:28:33

-..and covered with limestone...

0:28:340:28:37

-..so that they disappeared quickly.

0:28:370:28:40

-They didn't

-want to make martyrs of them.

0:28:400:28:43

-They refused

-to give the families their bodies.

0:28:430:28:46

-This is probably the

-most sacred place in Dublin today.

0:28:470:28:52

-Sean MacDermott.

0:28:520:28:54

-And the man himself -

-James Connolly.

0:28:550:28:58

-Being here

-has made me appreciate it more.

0:28:580:29:01

-What happened in the aftermath...

0:29:010:29:03

-..changed

-the course of Ireland's history.

0:29:040:29:08

-What happened to the heroes

-who signed the Proclamation...

0:29:080:29:12

-..and the way they were treated.

0:29:120:29:15

-You feel yourself

-becoming more nationalistic.

0:29:150:29:18

-It's hard not to be affected by it.

0:29:180:29:21

-Hearing about

-the execution of Patrick Pearse...

0:29:240:29:27

-..and especially James Connolly

-changed the opinion of the Irish...

0:29:280:29:33

-..prompting a counter response

-to what Britain was doing.

0:29:330:29:39

-That is to say...

0:29:390:29:41

-..that is the real starting place...

0:29:410:29:45

-..of the revolt against Britain.

0:29:450:29:48

-"Ugly holes

-in Cnoc an Arbhair's skull

0:29:500:29:54

-"15 empty graves guffaw

0:29:540:29:57

-"Like the greedy mouths

-of vulture chicks

0:29:570:30:00

-"Waiting for their carrion

0:30:010:30:03

-"Around them

-a regiment of upright Easter lilies

0:30:030:30:06

-"Hold their heads high

0:30:070:30:09

-"Challenging bullets of rain

0:30:090:30:11

-"As they greet the dawn

-of late spring."

0:30:110:30:15

-.

0:30:260:30:26

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0:30:270:30:27

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0:30:270:30:29

-Today's a special day

-since it was almost a century ago...

0:30:320:30:37

-..that the first three prisoners...

0:30:380:30:40

-..came to the Frongoch camp.

0:30:400:30:42

-They were later joined...

0:30:420:30:45

-..by a further 1,860

-in the following weeks.

0:30:450:30:49

-Commemorating the centenary

-of the prisoners' arrival...

0:30:510:30:55

-..is very important.

0:30:560:30:57

-I don't think that people in general

-are aware of Frongoch's history.

0:30:580:31:03

-You associate that area

-with Tryweryn.

0:31:050:31:07

-It's dominated Welsh history

-for so long...

0:31:080:31:11

-..you forget about the area's

-other history a stone's throw away.

0:31:110:31:16

-Following the execution

-of the Easter Rising's leaders...

0:31:180:31:22

-..more than 2,500 Republicans,

-many of whom hadn't fought...

0:31:230:31:27

-..were imprisoned

-in Irish and British jails.

0:31:270:31:30

-The least dangerous were sent to

-Frongoch detention camp near Bala.

0:31:310:31:35

-Among them was Michael Collins.

0:31:350:31:38

-Age 26, he was the rebellion's

-youngest military leader.

0:31:380:31:42

-He became a big name in

-the history of Irish independence.

0:31:420:31:45

-Once a concentration camp

-for German prisoners...

0:31:460:31:49

-..the prison was ideal

-in terms of size and location.

0:31:490:31:52

-The men would've been escorted

-from the train station...

0:31:520:31:57

-..and led down this road.

0:31:570:31:59

-There was a high wall of barbed wire

-on both sides of the road...

0:31:590:32:03

-..and electric wire

-surrounding it all.

0:32:030:32:06

-On the right here

-would've been the north camp.

0:32:070:32:11

-Three dozen wooden huts...

0:32:110:32:14

-..and three dozen men in each one.

0:32:140:32:17

-The south camp was here.

0:32:180:32:20

-It was once a distillery.

0:32:210:32:22

-Lloyd Price from Rhiwlas

-wanted to brew Welsh whisky.

0:32:230:32:27

-Apparently,

-the heat was intolerable here...

0:32:290:32:32

-..while it was too cold

-on this side...

0:32:330:32:35

-..so the men referred to them...

0:32:350:32:38

-..Purgatory and Siberia.

0:32:380:32:41

-A 15-year-old local

-worked in the camp's canteen.

0:32:440:32:47

-Johnnie Roberts got to know Michael

-Collins and his crew very well.

0:32:470:32:52

-I was the only Welshman there.

0:32:520:32:54

-They started calling me

-the Little Welshman.

0:32:540:32:58

-They liked me

-but detested the English.

0:32:580:33:01

-Those who were

-in the south camp...

0:33:010:33:04

-..complained the most.

0:33:050:33:07

-The place was so wet and damp...

0:33:070:33:10

-..that the poor Irishmen had to

-sleep in dire wet conditions...

0:33:100:33:14

-..that was also overrun with rats.

0:33:140:33:18

-In the June of this year

-people flocked to Frongoch...

0:33:210:33:25

-..to commemorate

-the internment of the rebels.

0:33:250:33:28

-Back in 1916, Michael Collins

-and his fellow prisoners...

0:33:280:33:32

-..were surprised to see the Welsh

-language thriving in the area.

0:33:330:33:36

-Some of them

-even learned the language.

0:33:370:33:39

-It inspired them...

0:33:390:33:41

-..to resurrect the Irish language...

0:33:420:33:44

-..by providing lessons.

0:33:450:33:46

-They also practised

-military manoeuvres too.

0:33:470:33:50

-They learnt guerrilla tactics

-of hit and run...

0:33:500:33:53

-..instead of capturing buildings.

0:33:530:33:57

-These men were shrewd.

0:33:570:33:59

-They were preparing

-to create an Irish Free State.

0:33:590:34:03

-They put us all in one camp.

0:34:050:34:07

-We got to know our counterparts

-from all over Ireland.

0:34:070:34:11

-We learned a lot about tactics...

0:34:120:34:15

-..in guerrilla warfare...

0:34:150:34:17

-..and educated themselves in the way

-to form an army and succeed.

0:34:180:34:24

-Anger had been brewing

-from the start.

0:34:270:34:29

-Britain had interned them

-without a release date...

0:34:300:34:34

-..with no opportunity to defend

-themselves in a court of law.

0:34:340:34:38

-To me, internment is one of

-the most diabolical punishments...

0:34:410:34:47

-..inflicted on man.

0:34:470:34:49

-Imprisonment without sentencing...

0:34:490:34:52

-..and without a trial.

0:34:520:34:54

-But the Irish

-seized the opportunity...

0:34:570:35:00

-..to retrain themselves

-in weapons' training and warfare...

0:35:000:35:05

-..in order to run

-an Irish Free State.

0:35:050:35:09

-Many people describe Frongoch...

0:35:130:35:15

-..as the University of Revolution.

0:35:160:35:18

-British authorities had interned

-these radical young men...

0:35:210:35:25

-..in one place, and what happened?

0:35:250:35:28

-They became

-more radicalised together.

0:35:280:35:30

-Britain hadn't learnt its lesson.

0:35:320:35:35

-This was highlighted at Frongoch...

0:35:350:35:38

-..by one of the prisoners.

0:35:380:35:40

-He said, "We're all together here."

0:35:410:35:43

-200 of them

-had never even held a gun.

0:35:440:35:48

-But on their release...

0:35:480:35:50

-..they'd obviously

-learnt the tricks of the trade.

0:35:510:35:54

-They were much more republican

-than any of those who went in there.

0:35:540:35:59

-Patrick Pearse said, "Only one thing

-is worse than an armed Unionist...

0:36:020:36:07

-"..and that's

-an unarmed Republican."

0:36:070:36:10

-Though he'd played

-no part in the revolt...

0:36:100:36:13

-..Dennis McCullough

-was interned here.

0:36:130:36:15

-He told his son

-very little about it.

0:36:160:36:18

-They decided there was too much

-unhappiness family-wise, hatred...

0:36:190:36:24

-..so they just kept silent about it.

0:36:240:36:27

-I find it very emotional

-because of the reality of it all.

0:36:270:36:32

-That on this very field

-that it all happened.

0:36:320:36:36

-There's a genuine sense of community

-and I'm very moved by it all.

0:36:370:36:41

-Anger grew

-over squalid living conditions...

0:36:430:36:46

-..and the fact that many

-had been wrongly interned.

0:36:460:36:50

-Many went on hunger strike and

-disease swept through the camp.

0:36:500:36:54

-Frongoch's doctor was under so much

-pressure, he committed suicide.

0:36:540:36:59

-On his first day

-as Prime Minister of Britain...

0:36:590:37:03

-..Lloyd George released the

-Frongoch prisoners in December 1916.

0:37:030:37:08

-But the damage had been done.

0:37:110:37:14

-The disorganised rebels of

-the Easter Rising were now ready...

0:37:140:37:19

-..to battle for independence

-once again.

0:37:200:37:22

-The Welsh-language publication

-of the book...

0:37:230:37:25

-..made me realize how much history

-was involved in the uprising.

0:37:260:37:30

-The Irish

-love hearing about Frongoch.

0:37:300:37:33

-They start realizing how important

-this rural village is...

0:37:330:37:37

-..in Ireland's history,

-and Dad's book has helped that.

0:37:370:37:41

-It's taken years

-for the importance of Frongoch...

0:37:410:37:45

-..to come to people's attention.

0:37:460:37:49

-It's one of the most significant

-places in Ireland's history.

0:37:490:37:54

-What was learned at Frongoch...

0:37:540:37:57

-..has travelled worldwide.

0:37:570:37:59

-People who are fighting for freedom

-have adopted the same tactics.

0:37:590:38:04

-A contentious figure

-in Irish politics...

0:38:050:38:08

-..is the MP and

-Sinn Fein President Gerry Adams.

0:38:090:38:12

-How's the craic?

0:38:130:38:15

-Good to meet you.

-Been looking forward to this.

0:38:150:38:18

-A thorn in Britain's side,

-he was imprisoned several times.

0:38:180:38:23

-Following the IRA's bombing campaign

-in the early 1970s...

0:38:240:38:27

-..he was sent

-to Maze Prison, Long Kesh.

0:38:270:38:30

-Like the inmates of Frongoch,

-he was interned without trial...

0:38:300:38:35

-..which still happens worldwide

-today in places like Guantanamo Bay.

0:38:350:38:40

-Thank you for your approval.

0:38:410:38:43

-In a recent blog,

-Gerry Adams commented...

0:38:430:38:46

-..on how much he'd enjoyed

-Dad's book about Frongoch.

0:38:460:38:50

-You've written about this

-very well. I want to complement you.

0:38:500:38:54

-It's a very important piece

-of Irish and Welsh history.

0:38:540:38:58

-And the part that was in cages...

0:38:580:39:00

-..just reflects

-exactly what Long Kesh was like.

0:39:010:39:04

-To be interned without trial...

0:39:040:39:07

-..locked up, how did you feel?

0:39:070:39:10

-I was badly beaten myself

-on a number of occasions.

0:39:120:39:16

-But, you know,

-anybody who's not afraid is a fool.

0:39:170:39:22

-It isn't being afraid

-that's the issue...

0:39:220:39:24

-..it's being able to overcome it

-is the challenge.

0:39:250:39:28

-When you were interned, you were

-interned without a release date.

0:39:280:39:32

-When you were sentenced,

-at least you had a release date.

0:39:320:39:36

-That made a difference

-in terms of...

0:39:360:39:38

-..some people's psychological

-approach to doing their time.

0:39:380:39:42

-I've written on this for you.

0:39:430:39:46

-"From Frongoch, onwards to freedom.

-To Gerry Adams with admiration."

0:39:460:39:51

-Well done.

0:39:520:39:54

-It's a lovely historical record...

0:39:540:39:57

-..and is incredibly important.

0:39:570:40:00

-Thank you very much.

0:40:000:40:02

-I'll show you the Welsh one. You

-wouldn't be able to understand this.

0:40:020:40:07

-The only Welsh phrase I have

-is iechyd da (cheers).

0:40:090:40:12

-Meeting Gerry Adams

-was completely surreal.

0:40:130:40:16

-He's such a famous figure,

-and he was there, in front of us...

0:40:160:40:20

-..sitting down

-having a chat with Dad.

0:40:200:40:23

-Like Frongoch, he was interned

-during a very turbulent time.

0:40:230:40:29

-He's now a political figure...

0:40:290:40:31

-..which might confuse many.

0:40:320:40:34

-Once a terrorist, now a politician.

0:40:340:40:36

-But that's what happened

-after the Easter Rising.

0:40:370:40:40

-Rebels became politicians.

0:40:400:40:42

-You've made his year.

-It's fantastic.

0:40:430:40:46

-You've made my life!

0:40:470:40:49

-I'd always thought of Gerry Adams

-as a hard man...

0:40:490:40:53

-..and a pragmatist...

0:40:530:40:55

-..but he's nothing like that.

0:40:560:40:58

-He's a warm man

-with a good sense of humour.

0:40:590:41:02

-I feel privileged

-to have met the man.

0:41:030:41:05

-Upon his release from Frongoch

-in December 1916...

0:41:060:41:11

-..Michael Collins, Joe Clarke,

-Dick McKee and Richard Mulcahy...

0:41:110:41:16

-..rose to prominence.

0:41:160:41:18

-They were the new architects

-of the Free Irish State...

0:41:180:41:22

-..committed to fulfilling

-the 1916 Proclamation.

0:41:220:41:26

-Britain thought it could revive

-the old notion of home rule...

0:41:260:41:32

-..but the idea of carrying on

-with business as before...

0:41:320:41:38

-..was completely untenable.

0:41:380:41:40

-There was extreme polarisation

-in Dublin in 1916.

0:41:410:41:46

-It was impossible

-to imagine one parliament...

0:41:460:41:50

-..that would unite

-the entire county.

0:41:500:41:54

-Sending Collins et al to Frongoch

-was Britain's worst mistake.

0:41:550:41:59

-It was there that they established

-themselves as Sinn Fein...

0:41:590:42:04

-..and went on to win

-a resounding victory...

0:42:040:42:07

-..in the 1918 General Election.

0:42:070:42:09

-They published the Free Irish

-Republic and angered Britain.

0:42:090:42:14

-The IRA

-also had its roots in Frongoch.

0:42:140:42:17

-It was Sinn Fein's new armed branch.

0:42:170:42:19

-Under Collins' leadership...

0:42:200:42:22

-..it waged war

-on Britain once again in 1919...

0:42:230:42:26

-..in the Irish War of Independence.

0:42:260:42:29

-By the 1920s,

-the only way of securing...

0:42:290:42:34

-..an acceptable settlement

-was to divide Ireland.

0:42:340:42:38

-But, of course,

-Republicans regarded Ireland...

0:42:390:42:43

-..as a united country.

0:42:430:42:45

-The 1916 Proclamation...

0:42:460:42:48

-..had stated it would 'cherish

-the nation's children equally.'

0:42:480:42:52

-But that was merely a pipe dream.

0:42:530:42:56

-Britain

-had to negotiate a settlement.

0:42:570:43:02

-Michael Collins and Lloyd George

-agreed on a division of Ireland...

0:43:020:43:08

-..partitioning

-the new Ireland in the south...

0:43:100:43:13

-..and the other Ireland

-in the north.

0:43:130:43:16

-The partition, established in 1921,

-still exists to this day.

0:43:170:43:21

-The Irish Free State or the

-Republic of Ireland in the south...

0:43:210:43:25

-..and Northern Ireland,

-which remains part of the UK.

0:43:250:43:29

-Following the division, there was

-more bloodshed in the civil war...

0:43:290:43:34

-..when brother

-turned against brother.

0:43:340:43:38

-In 1922, aged 31...

0:43:380:43:40

-..Michael Collins was shot.

0:43:410:43:43

-The perpetrator

-still remains a mystery.

0:43:430:43:46

-The shrewd politician

-who honed his craft at Frongoch...

0:43:460:43:50

-..is today a worldwide hero.

0:43:510:43:53

-Upon his release from Frongoch...

0:44:030:44:05

-..Joe Clarke

-also played an important role...

0:44:050:44:08

-..in the future

-of the new Ireland.

0:44:090:44:11

-He was a member of the IRA

-and vice president of Sinn Fein.

0:44:110:44:15

-He and Dad

-were good friends until the end.

0:44:160:44:18

-It was lovely

-placing a flower on his grave.

0:44:180:44:21

-I know he meant a lot to Dad.

0:44:210:44:23

-Rest in peace, dear Joe.

0:44:290:44:31

-It's fair to say he changed my life.

0:44:330:44:36

-If he knew I was here now,

-I doubt he'd say very much.

0:44:360:44:40

-He was a man of few words...

0:44:400:44:42

-..but he had a smile

-behind those thick glasses.

0:44:420:44:45

-It was the smile of a man

-who'd witnessed a lot.

0:44:450:44:49

-And that's when

-the Frongoch obsession began.

0:44:490:44:53

-He's to blame for it all!

0:44:530:44:55

-The journey has been incredible...

0:44:570:45:00

-..because I've heard

-Dad's stories all my life.

0:45:000:45:04

-They still make me laugh

-and they still sustain my interest.

0:45:040:45:08

-It makes me appreciate him

-as a journalist...

0:45:080:45:11

-..because Frongoch

-has been an obsession of his.

0:45:110:45:15

-Visiting all these places reinforces

-the story's importance...

0:45:150:45:19

-..and his contribution...

0:45:200:45:22

-..because he's changed part

-of the story with Frongoch's angle.

0:45:220:45:26

-I'm very proud of him,

-I always have been...

0:45:270:45:30

-..but going around Dublin with him

-was lovely.

0:45:300:45:33

-It was quite a journey.

0:45:330:45:35

-Before we left, we called on an

-old friend, musician Ryland Teifi.

0:45:390:45:44

-Nice to see you. How are you?

0:45:480:45:50

-Having married into

-a musical family, the Clancys...

0:45:500:45:53

-..the family has settled in one

-of the Irish speaking-strongholds.

0:45:540:45:58

-What did he make

-of the centenary celebrations?

0:45:580:46:01

-It's obviously very important...

0:46:010:46:04

-..and perhaps

-one of the things I envy...

0:46:040:46:07

-..is the fact that their history

-is so familiar to them.

0:46:070:46:10

-It's part of their history.

0:46:110:46:13

-Ordinary people we've met

-on the street know the history.

0:46:130:46:17

-The songs are also familiar to us.

-We can't go without hearing a song.

0:46:170:46:21

-We're in the perfect location -

-we've got Guinness.

0:46:210:46:25

-I hope you've brought your guitar.

0:46:250:46:27

-It's around here somewhere.

-This is where we get up to mischief!

0:46:280:46:32

-We've mentioned

-the Guinness and the singing.

0:46:320:46:35

-People might say

-we're stereotyping...

0:46:350:46:38

-..but there's truth

-to every stereotype.

0:46:380:46:42

-For me, the music is integral

-to my love of this country.

0:46:420:46:47

-THEY SING IN IRISH

0:46:500:46:53

-I'll continue to visit Ireland

-while I still have strength...

0:47:060:47:11

-..and while the stories

-about Ireland are still in my mind.

0:47:110:47:15

-The story isn't over yet.

0:47:160:47:18

-It's not an Irish Ireland and

-neither is it a unified Ireland.

0:47:180:47:22

-It's fitting that Dylan came with me

-to sustain the interest...

0:47:240:47:29

-..and to pass it on

-to his own children.

0:47:290:47:33

-I haven't really thought about

-passing on the stories...

0:47:420:47:46

-..but it is important because

-you don't want them to be forgotten.

0:47:470:47:51

-I doubt I can tell the story

-as well as my father...

0:47:520:47:55

-..so my next step is to make sure

-Anni and Ffredi show an interest.

0:47:550:48:01

-Ffredi could be an Irishman.

0:48:050:48:07

-He's small and solid.

0:48:070:48:10

-He's determined too...

0:48:100:48:12

-..and won't give in.

0:48:120:48:14

-I don't know where

-this Irish element has come from.

0:48:150:48:19

-From me, perhaps.

0:48:190:48:21

-Anni is old enough now

-to learn a few things about Ireland.

0:48:210:48:25

-The other

-will learn in time, believe me!

0:48:250:48:28

-He'll be a Paddy!

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